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Speaker 3: We are An episode is seventy three.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Angela Raie, along with hosts Tiffany Cross
Speaker 1: and Andrew gillim And today we have a very very
Speaker 1: special guest, our good friend Ellie Miss Style, who is
Speaker 1: the writer of not one, but two amazing books. Today
Speaker 1: we're talking about bad law, ten popular laws that are
Speaker 1: ruining America, and there are a lot of other things
Speaker 1: that are ruinning America. So we'll get into all of
Speaker 1: that today, as well as several other items. So we're
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Speaker 4: You know, I got to be excited about talking about
Speaker 4: Ellie's book Ellie.
Speaker 5: I read your book.
Speaker 4: It's amazing, and I think the ten laws that you
Speaker 4: elected to write about are very applicable to what's happening
Speaker 4: in the news right now.
Speaker 5: So that's what's on my mind.
Speaker 6: Andrewitch you got, I got Ellie on digital and I
Speaker 6: am excited about today's conversation. But I'm also excited about
Speaker 6: something else that happened this week that I think confused
Speaker 6: a little fire into the Democratic and maybe the American
Speaker 6: people writ large, and that is our good brother, Senator
Speaker 6: Cory Booker.
Speaker 1: Amazing, So we'll talk about Corey Booker. I know we're
Speaker 1: also going to talk about the madness that is the
Speaker 1: House floor. Why would Speaker Johnson just decide to adjourn
Speaker 1: in the middle of a voting week. They need to
Speaker 1: get to work, But also we don't know if they
Speaker 1: would even do that. But we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: that and so much more. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: all of this with our guest host today, Ellie Misstyle.
Speaker 3: Let's jump into it.
Speaker 1: So I actually want to start talking about proxy voting
Speaker 1: today with this video from Representative Melanie Stansbury, who also
Speaker 1: joined us on the State of the People marathon. Just briefly,
Speaker 1: but I want you ought to hear what she has
Speaker 1: to say about Mike Johnson canceling all votes this week
Speaker 1: as a result of this issue.
Speaker 7: Well, it is always an adventure around here. This afternoon,
Speaker 7: they tried to run the rule that allows us to
Speaker 7: vote on various pieces of legislation that included their entire
Speaker 7: agenda for the week, and part of what they included
Speaker 7: in that rule was some language to try to shut
Speaker 7: down a bipartisan petition that was signed by the majority
Speaker 7: of House members on both sides of the aisle to
Speaker 7: make it possible for new parents with newborns to proxy vote,
Speaker 7: which means you can vote remotely so that you don't
Speaker 7: have to endanger your baby and new parents by coming
Speaker 7: in in those early days. And like I said, it
Speaker 7: was bipartisan. It was supported by both some of the
Speaker 7: most conservative and progressive members and both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 7: And the Speaker is so hell bent and shutting down
Speaker 7: this bipartisan petition, and we're not sure why that it
Speaker 7: got voted down. The rule got voted down on the
Speaker 7: floor which was trying to shut that down, and rather
Speaker 7: than try to take it back up, make a compromise
Speaker 7: give parents the ability to vote remotely as they're recovering
Speaker 7: from the birth of a child. He canceled votes for
Speaker 7: the rest of the week and just shut the entire
Speaker 7: thing down.
Speaker 5: This is so crazy.
Speaker 7: It doesn't even like. The way this place is operating
Speaker 7: is like a madhouse right now.
Speaker 3: But I guess we'll regroup and hopefully.
Speaker 7: We'll get back on track and I'll see you guys soon.
Speaker 6: No, the second graders are loose and in chargeous. I'm
Speaker 6: curious to know if y'all think the speaker is more
Speaker 6: offended by accommodating women who just gave birth or and
Speaker 6: by the way, this is for ten weeks. They're ten
Speaker 6: weeks where these folks get to vote remote after having
Speaker 6: a baby, being a mother or father welcoming a baby
Speaker 6: into the world that they would be able to have
Speaker 6: a proxy vote. I'm just curious because the other part
Speaker 6: that we don't talk a lot about around Project twenty
Speaker 6: twenty five is the real misogynistic, very unilateral view that
Speaker 6: they take of the family and their desire to see
Speaker 6: the woman at home in the kitchen, barefoot bearing babies
Speaker 6: and daddy going out to work is their view, and
Speaker 6: it's almost in equal portion to the dismantlement of dei
Speaker 6: and the privatization of government and all that other stuff.
Speaker 6: But their views on the family are hardcore in that document,
Speaker 6: and it's reiterated time and time again. So I'm just
Speaker 6: curious to know if y'all a you think he's more
Speaker 6: offended by women being able to vote proxy after giving
Speaker 6: birth or does it upset them that men might possibly
Speaker 6: be included. And that's just taking a male, female view
Speaker 6: of a family, But there are many versions of what
Speaker 6: families look like.
Speaker 4: I mean, I take your point, Andrew, and I think
Speaker 4: it's really interesting that these strange bedfellows are advocating for this.
Speaker 4: And look, Anna, Paulina Luna, who is the other person
Speaker 4: at the center of this controversy is from your neck
Speaker 4: of the woods, Andrew.
Speaker 6: And yeah, further south than me, but yeah.
Speaker 4: In Florida, and she is batshit crazy an election denier.
Speaker 4: And it's like, you voted for the same people who
Speaker 4: are denying you your right to vote. Which brings me
Speaker 4: to this literary masterpiece here, because Ellie, one of the
Speaker 4: first pieces, the first laws that you talk about, is
Speaker 4: voter suppression, and this is a form of voter suppression.
Speaker 4: Gear words elected members of Congress. So I'm curious your
Speaker 4: thoughts on this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So to answer answer to answer Andrew's question, I
Speaker 8: absolutely think it is laser focus directed at women who
Speaker 8: have the audacity to unchain themselves from the stove and
Speaker 8: try to go out to do their job. And what
Speaker 8: they're basically trying to set up is a two tiered
Speaker 8: system where they can say women congressmen can't do the job.
Speaker 8: Women congress people can't do the job the same way
Speaker 8: that women that men can do the job, and so
Speaker 8: we shouldn't elect them to Congress. And that is there,
Speaker 8: That is the thin end of the wedge to more
Speaker 8: generally restrict voting rights for women in general. I think
Speaker 8: it's laser focused on the misogyny and the family issues,
Speaker 8: and it's also like one of these things. And I
Speaker 8: talk about this a little bit in the book. If
Speaker 8: you think about like how this country is structured and
Speaker 8: the deep roots of misogyny that are layered into this country.
Speaker 8: Here's a pop quiz. How many legislatures in American history
Speaker 8: have been controlled by women, have had a majority women
Speaker 8: in their in the legend of zer right And the
Speaker 8: answer is, of course never in Congress, not once in
Speaker 8: American history has called him had a majority of women.
Speaker 8: The first one was Nevada in two thousand and eighteen.
Speaker 8: That was had the Nevada State House was had a
Speaker 8: majority of women over men. When you think about the
Speaker 8: fact that women have made up about half the half
Speaker 8: of the population forever because that's how DNA works, and
Speaker 8: yet women have only made up the majority in a
Speaker 8: few state houses Posts twenty eighteen and never in Congress,
Speaker 8: you can see how this entire country is kind of
Speaker 8: by men for men, consistently stamping on the women's right
Speaker 8: to vote, right to choose, right to do anything other
Speaker 8: than have babies and make sandwiches and so. I in
Speaker 8: the book, I talk about how the very first voter
Speaker 8: registration kind of proposal was in Massachusetts in eighteen hundred
Speaker 8: and there was this back and forth between the Attorney
Speaker 8: General of Massachusetts and John Adams, who would go on
Speaker 8: to be the second President of the United States, and
Speaker 8: the attorney general was arguing that they should lower the
Speaker 8: property requirements for white men to vote right because remember
Speaker 8: this is this is the eighteen hundreds. You know, black
Speaker 8: people aren't voting because they're not considered people. Women aren't
Speaker 8: voting because they're not considered people. Poor white men are
Speaker 8: not being allowed to vote because they're not considered people,
Speaker 8: and they're trying to lower the property requirements for poorer
Speaker 8: white men to vote. And Adams, opposing this measure, literally says, well,
Speaker 8: if you let poor white men vote, I mean, what's
Speaker 8: next women voting? I mean, come on, guys, like that's
Speaker 8: his literal argument in a letter. So the mass the
Speaker 8: misogne sticker roots of this country are deep, and make
Speaker 8: an argument in the book that the nineteen sixty five
Speaker 8: Civil Rights Act is the most important piece of legislation
Speaker 8: ever passed in this country because not only did it
Speaker 8: take us out of our apartheid past, it's the first
Speaker 8: law that made full, fair and equal elections even a
Speaker 8: possibility on paper. People also forget before the nineteen sixty
Speaker 8: five Civil Rights Act, the Nineteenth Amendment, which gave women
Speaker 8: the right to vote, didn't mean jack for black women.
Speaker 8: Black women were not voting because white suffragettes the one
Speaker 8: the privilege in the nineteenth Amendment. Now I know, they
Speaker 8: had to wait until the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights
Speaker 8: Act to even have a shot at voting, which is
Speaker 8: why that piece of legislation is so important, and that's
Speaker 8: why the Republicans are always trying to tear it.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you, Angela, because you're the only person
Speaker 4: among us who has worked on Capitol Hill, how does
Speaker 4: it work now if somebody is pregnant, Like, how did
Speaker 4: your members, as a former executive director of the Congression
Speaker 4: Black Caucus, if somebody had to be out, how did
Speaker 4: it work when a vote came up?
Speaker 3: It didn't.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna mention that some of the background
Speaker 1: on this that I think is important is that there
Speaker 1: was a member of Congress, a Democratic member from Colorado,
Speaker 1: who had some challenges around the birth of her child,
Speaker 1: and they and asked for proxy voting. This is a
Speaker 1: bipartisan measure. As crazy as you say, this woman is
Speaker 1: who left the Freedom Caucus behind this issue. There are
Speaker 1: some moments where permanent interests trump your permanent enemies or
Speaker 1: your permanent friends, as we always talk about. So I
Speaker 1: think that it is important to understand that when there
Speaker 1: was a national crisis, the pandemic, they voted by proxy.
Speaker 1: There was a piece in here that would have allowed
Speaker 1: someone not just the twelve weeks of a new mother,
Speaker 1: but also if they're experiencing a serious medical condition. There
Speaker 1: are a number of members, including Sylvester Turner who passed
Speaker 1: literally the night of or the day after the joint
Speaker 1: address from Donald Trump, that are in the middle of
Speaker 1: health crises. Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee who had cancer right
Speaker 1: Congressman coming to was very ill, Donald Payne Senior and
Speaker 1: Donald Payne Junior who were very ill. There are always
Speaker 1: reasons why your humanity should leave first. And what I
Speaker 1: would agree with you on tip is this question around
Speaker 1: what did you expect from this party, this party that
Speaker 1: doesn't want to democratize access to healthcare because health issues
Speaker 1: and concerns and challenges and conditions are absolutely nonpartisan, but
Speaker 1: they still want to make you pay for health care
Speaker 1: costs at a premium unless you're a healthcare or health
Speaker 1: insurance company. Chip Roy, who last night tweeted or Tuesday
Speaker 1: night when this happened, tweeted, proxy voting is unconstitutional and
Speaker 1: will be abused and expanded.
Speaker 3: Show up for work or don't run for congress.
Speaker 1: Well, god forbid that life happens to your friends, because
Speaker 1: that is what we're dealing with. How can you not
Speaker 1: account for a health emergency something with your child? Human
Speaker 1: beings are what make up Congress. Congress is not and
Speaker 1: you know an institution that exists and is run by robots,
Speaker 1: although sometimes I wonder, given their the conditions of the heart, if.
Speaker 3: They are not, how could you vote that way? It's
Speaker 3: sane to me?
Speaker 8: Can we also talk about how should I leave this
Speaker 8: country treats new mothers generally, and especially for the party
Speaker 8: that claims to be pro life and pro family. I
Speaker 8: did it.
Speaker 3: Just dropped to EO on ivf Ellie.
Speaker 8: Like like I like to tell people like never like
Speaker 8: I do a lot of TV for free, right, and
Speaker 8: I always like to tell people never never discount the
Speaker 8: male privilege that allows me to do so much free
Speaker 8: television at a moment's moments, right, because I got two kids.
Speaker 8: I got a twelve year old and a nine year old.
Speaker 8: And yet if you call me at five o'clock and
Speaker 8: say can you be in studio at eight o'clock? That's
Speaker 8: but I can do it because my wife is going
Speaker 8: to be home to take care of our children. Right.
Speaker 8: Flip that around, and in a lot of households, how
Speaker 8: many women are with partners who can drop their jobs
Speaker 8: and are willing to drop their jobs and drop their
Speaker 8: careers at the drop of a hat because the woman
Speaker 8: gets called into the studio unexpectedly at eight o'clock for free.
Speaker 8: How many women are with husbands that are going to
Speaker 8: do that or with partners that are going to do that.
Speaker 8: Not everybody, Not everybody. And we're not even talking And
Speaker 8: I know I'm looking at Tiffany right now, we're not
Speaker 8: even talking about you know, Tiffany has to get into
Speaker 8: the studio what three hours before me to do this
Speaker 8: and the hair and whatever to make sure they're at
Speaker 8: Whereas I can just roll my fat ass up whenever
Speaker 8: I want to with the pick in the hair and
Speaker 8: be like yo, I'm good to go. Let's roll right
Speaker 8: like the I've been in these green rooms. I'm sure
Speaker 8: you guys have too, with women guests who are there
Speaker 8: with their kids because they could not get child care
Speaker 8: to do the hit to advance their career or make
Speaker 8: their points. And this is just that small slice of
Speaker 8: weird life that is kind of live television, right. This
Speaker 8: lack of care or help that we give to families,
Speaker 8: and especially families with young children, permeates our society, and
Speaker 8: the burden disproportionately falls on women. To just add that
Speaker 8: to the list to just add that to the pile
Speaker 8: that's on our society, that's on not a lot of
Speaker 8: people not having the best partners. There are lots of
Speaker 8: ways that we can skin it. But the party that
Speaker 8: most often talks about family, talks about life, talks about
Speaker 8: the sanctity of the family, is also the party that
Speaker 8: makes it as hard as possible to raise children in
Speaker 8: this society.
Speaker 6: All right, on the other side of this break, we'll
Speaker 6: get to hear directly from our leader for the moment Saturday,
Speaker 6: Corey Book, stay tuned.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the party that's making it hard.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good moment to talk about
Speaker 1: someone that was calling out all of the parties, that
Speaker 1: party's hypocrisy, and he did it for twenty five hours.
Speaker 3: Let's roll, This isn't it.
Speaker 9: And so I've tried over the last twenty five hours
Speaker 9: in one minute to center the conversation back on what
Speaker 9: will we do with good conscience. People who are saying
Speaker 9: I serve this country, I risked my life, shouldn't fail
Speaker 9: to keep my job. People are saying this country once
Speaker 9: made itself the envy of the world because we invested
Speaker 9: in high quality education for every child. I don't like
Speaker 9: what's going on the end of the Department of Education.
Speaker 9: People are saying, I worked harder than I ever have,
Speaker 9: but the prices on everything in my life were getting higher.
Speaker 9: People who are saying that America I learned about in school,
Speaker 9: the one where people's rights are protected. The people are
Speaker 9: saying that why are we yet again going through another
Speaker 9: healthcare battle that threatens millions of people. The people are
Speaker 9: saying that I'm worried about the financial security in the
Speaker 9: future of my country. The voices of folks and so
Speaker 9: I end by saying simply this where I started was
Speaker 9: John Lewis. I don't know how to solve this. I
Speaker 9: don't know how to stop us from going down this road.
Speaker 9: Chuck Schumer's now told me that they're greasing the skids
Speaker 9: to do these things. I'm sorry, but I know who
Speaker 9: does have the power, the people of the United States
Speaker 9: of America. The power of the people is greater than
Speaker 9: the people in power. It is time to heed the
Speaker 9: words of the man. I began this whole thing with
Speaker 9: John Lewis. I beg folks to take his example of
Speaker 9: his early days, where he made himself determined to show
Speaker 9: his love for his country at a time the country
Speaker 9: didn't love him. To love this country so much and
Speaker 9: be such a patriot that he endured meetings savagely on
Speaker 9: the Edmund Pettis Bridge, at lunch counters, on freedom rides.
Speaker 9: He said he had to do something. He would not
Speaker 9: normalize a moment like this. He would not just go
Speaker 9: along with business as usual. He wouldn't know how to
Speaker 9: solve it. But there's one thing that he would do
Speaker 9: that I hope we all can do that. I think
Speaker 9: I did a little bit of tonight. He said, for
Speaker 9: us to go out and cause some good trouble, necessary
Speaker 9: trouble to redeem the soul of our nation. I want
Speaker 9: you to redeem the dream. Let's be bold in America,
Speaker 9: not to being into great Americans, not divide us against
Speaker 9: each other. Let's be bolder in America with a vision
Speaker 9: that inspires, with hope that starts with the people of
Speaker 9: the United States of America. That's how this country started,
Speaker 9: we the people. Let's get back to the ideals that
Speaker 9: others are threatening. Let's get back to our founding documents
Speaker 9: that those are perfect geniuses. Had some very special words
Speaker 9: at the end of the Declaration of Independence. Was one
Speaker 9: of the greatest in all of humanity, declarations of interdependence,
Speaker 9: when our founder said we must mutually pledge, pledge to
Speaker 9: each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
Speaker 9: We need that now from all Americans. This is a
Speaker 9: moral moment. It's not left or right, it's right or wrong.
Speaker 9: It's getting good trouble, my friend, Madam President, I yield the.
Speaker 6: Floor, Angela Tiffany, Ellie, what did what did that? What
Speaker 6: did that twenty five plus hours do to you? As
Speaker 6: we sit right now in this country knowing all what
Speaker 6: all kind of hell is breaking loose? I'm just curious,
Speaker 6: given all the that's come down over the transition of
Speaker 6: power since Trump resumed office, I'm just curious what that
Speaker 6: did for you emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, mentally, whatever.
Speaker 4: Ow Yo, my time to Ellie, But can I just
Speaker 4: give a quick history why this was so significant, Because
Speaker 4: one of the frustrations I always have is how the
Speaker 4: media missed it and missed this moment completely without giving context.
Speaker 4: So he broke the record of strom Thurman, who was
Speaker 4: an infamous segregationist who previously filibustered for more than twenty
Speaker 4: five hours, and a thing that he was protesting was
Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Act, the nineteen fifty seven Civil Rights Act,
Speaker 4: and how he sustained himself as he had one foot
Speaker 4: off the floor and it was a bucket where he
Speaker 4: could relieve himself so he could keep one foot on
Speaker 4: the floor and he ate little bits of hamburger meat,
Speaker 4: just because he was that incensed about giving equality to people.
Speaker 4: And I think why it is so important to put
Speaker 4: that in context our listeners and our viewers is because
Speaker 4: as those civil rights are getting rolled back today, Senator
Speaker 4: Corey Booker. Because and Angela will correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: This wasn't a filibuster, This was an open debate, and
Speaker 4: so it was a speech, right and so he you know,
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like, you know, I think Angela
Speaker 4: had some frustration with me some weeks ago. So I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do, Like I feel hopeless,
Speaker 4: and she's like, well.
Speaker 8: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: You know, like we have things going on, like get
Speaker 4: a part of this fight. And ever since then, I
Speaker 4: have to say I've been feeling.
Speaker 5: A little more hopeful every day. And that moment gave
Speaker 5: me hope.
Speaker 4: You know, being a part of a fight gave me
Speaker 4: hope and seeing him do that gave me hope. So
Speaker 4: I think the historical context there is so important and
Speaker 4: shout out because this isn't just a podcast, you know,
Speaker 4: this is an area where we can come and talk
Speaker 4: about these things and be honest about feeling discouraged.
Speaker 5: And on that particular day, I got some encouragement.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I guess I'll speak to the spiritual first
Speaker 8: before I speak to the intellectual part and spiritually, and
Speaker 8: I am not a spiritual man, so that is even
Speaker 8: a little bit weird for me to say. But I
Speaker 8: think that I echo Tiffany so so very much when
Speaker 8: I say that I am tired. I am often despondent,
Speaker 8: the part of me that people see on the radio
Speaker 8: on television that takes such incredible energy, and I when
Speaker 8: the camera goes off or when the mic goes off,
Speaker 8: that energy just drains out of me. And I feel
Speaker 8: so tired and scared and worried about my family. And
Speaker 8: I was literally on a went to bed at eight
Speaker 8: o'clock because I had to get up at three o'clock
Speaker 8: in the morning to take a train out of Boston.
Speaker 8: And when I got up at three o'clock, he was
Speaker 8: still talking. And when I got on the train, he
Speaker 8: was still talking. And when I got my train came in,
Speaker 8: he was still talking. And I was looking at that
Speaker 8: man and I was like, fool, you're the one who's tired. Nah, Bro,
Speaker 8: you don't, you don't. It just reminded me I don't
Speaker 8: get to be tired, and not just because Corey Booker
Speaker 8: wasn't tired. I've talked about this before, but I but
Speaker 8: I'll do this thing sometimes when I'm feeling really down,
Speaker 8: just really like I can't go on, I can't fight
Speaker 8: these people. I should just move to Montreal. I should
Speaker 8: just move out of the country, right. And I'm like
Speaker 8: in a CBS and I'm seeing all these white folks
Speaker 8: in the CBS, and I'm like, you probably hate me,
Speaker 8: maybe I hate you too, right, And then I think,
Speaker 8: what would Frederick Douglas say, Right, Frederick Douglas was right
Speaker 8: next to me in the CBS. What would he say?
Speaker 8: And he would say, Bro, you're you're tired, my man.
Speaker 8: I was a slave, right. I taught myself how to read.
Speaker 8: I didn't have no schoolhouse rock And you're tired, right,
Speaker 8: my brother. You have every book in the world available
Speaker 8: on a magical device in your pocket. Hmm, right, I
Speaker 8: had to, Right, I had to risk my life for
Speaker 8: like a few pages, right, for a few letters. And
Speaker 8: you have every book in the world and your you
Speaker 8: can write any book you want to and you're tired. Nah, brother,
Speaker 8: you don't get to be tired. And Booker reminded me
Speaker 8: that we do not come from a defeated people, right,
Speaker 8: We do not come from a bowed or cowed people.
Speaker 8: We come from fighters, We come from struggle, right. And
Speaker 8: it just it was a it was unnecessary after so
Speaker 8: much of the crap the Democrats have done, placard Gate,
Speaker 8: you know, at the sity of the Union, at the
Speaker 8: fake state of the Union, after so much crap that
Speaker 8: Democrats have done that has been enervating to me. That
Speaker 8: has felt like knives in my back. Right to see
Speaker 8: Booker out there, standing out front and taking some heat
Speaker 8: for all the rest of us. Reminded me that we
Speaker 8: don't get to be tired, We don't get to be depressed.
Speaker 8: Our job is to push the rock, and it doesn't
Speaker 8: matter if the rock makes it to the top of
Speaker 8: the mountain, because then the next generation up we'll just
Speaker 8: push it a little bit more. We wouldn't be here
Speaker 8: if people behind us hadn't been pushing the rock when
Speaker 8: it looked hopeless, right, and so now we got all
Speaker 8: we got to do is keep pushing the rock and
Speaker 8: keep trying. And so that's spiritually what that meant for me,
Speaker 8: very quickly. Intellectually also important. And these people who were
Speaker 8: just like, oh, it was just a stunt first of all, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it was a stunt because the Democrats don't have any power.
Speaker 8: So what are we supposed to do other than stunt
Speaker 8: on these fools? That's literally what we can do right now.
Speaker 8: Number one. Number two, how do you think the conversation
Speaker 8: gets started? Right when people have been asking me with
Speaker 8: my book, like, you know, why did you write this
Speaker 8: book when you didn't know who was gonna win the election?
Speaker 8: It's like, dude, I wrote this book before Joe Biden's
Speaker 8: first the Band. I was pretty sure who was gonna
Speaker 8: win the election when I wrote it. All right, I'm
Speaker 8: not under any illusions. I wrote the book because I've
Speaker 8: been calling it my start of writing Project twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 8: Right when did Republicans start writing Project twenty twenty five?
Speaker 8: In twenty twenty one when they had no power? When
Speaker 8: they at lust when they got in their asses kick
Speaker 8: and they were so pissed off they tried to attack
Speaker 8: the capitol and that didn't work, and that's when they
Speaker 8: started planning for twenty twenty five. So in the same way,
Speaker 8: this is when I start planning for twenty twenty nine, right.
Speaker 8: And the thing about Booker is that he reminds us
Speaker 8: that you have to start from somewhere, you have to
Speaker 8: build momentum and build the conversation from somewhere. And he's
Speaker 8: obviously a person who is trying to start and build
Speaker 8: that momentum that sure will not have an immediate effect today,
Speaker 8: but it's how we build forward. We're too much of
Speaker 8: a nation of front runners, right, We're too much of
Speaker 8: a nation of like if we didn't win, if we
Speaker 8: can't win tomorrow, then it wasn't worth it. No, No,
Speaker 8: it's building towards winning is actually what the work is
Speaker 8: that we have to do right now.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate what you're what you're saying, Ellie. I've
Speaker 3: watched that.
Speaker 1: Portion of Corey's closing five times and every time I
Speaker 1: get chills, and every time I'm ready to cry. And
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind is like, why
Speaker 1: he ain't challenging Chuck Schumer like, what what's good? I
Speaker 1: will tell you too. I was looking at your introduction.
Speaker 1: I have not read this book yet, Ellie, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. I'm very excited about actually,
Speaker 1: but it's remarkable to me that what Corey kept referencing
Speaker 1: on the floor is that he was trying to beat
Speaker 1: the man that was trying to ensure that he would
Speaker 1: never be able to stand on the floor of the
Speaker 1: Senate floor. And it's this is about something so much bigger.
Speaker 1: There's another segregationist that is ever present now, sign in
Speaker 1: executive orders every single day. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that you say in here is, if it were up
Speaker 1: to me, I treat every law passed before nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: five as presumptively unconstitutional. And I think that that is
Speaker 1: such a great point, and it would be a great
Speaker 1: starting point if only we had some white allies in
Speaker 1: the House and the Senate that could understand that, if
Speaker 1: only we had judges on the courts at the federal
Speaker 1: level who could understand that, that can understand that we've
Speaker 1: been operating at a deficit. And even though we just
Speaker 1: celebrated or commemorated really bloody Sunday, the sixtieth anniversary of
Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday this year later this year, the Voting Rights
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen sixty five. We still are not free,
Speaker 1: and they're dialing back these laws every single day. In fact,
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, while folks are celebrating the victory of the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, they also constitutionally it's not a state
Speaker 1: constitution mandate for voter ID, which means it can't be
Speaker 1: challenged anymore. What is the path forward to us deciding
Speaker 1: that all of these laws are unconstitutional where they are
Speaker 1: steady using them as building blocks for how to oppress
Speaker 1: us further in twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: Five, you gotta get democrats and as you say, white
Speaker 8: allies and black allies ready to fight, like ready to
Speaker 8: understand the need to repeal these laws. That's why I
Speaker 8: wrote the book, and ready to basically not give these
Speaker 8: laws nearly as much credit. If all you've got for
Speaker 8: why we should do X versus Y is that an
Speaker 8: all white man said so in nineteen twenty one, you
Speaker 8: can miss me with that, right, that is not a
Speaker 8: winning argument to me. You have to give me a
Speaker 8: present day reason for why your idea or your law
Speaker 8: should exist that we used to do it that way.
Speaker 8: That's not an argument that the slavers really wanted it
Speaker 8: that way. That's not an argument. I don't care what
Speaker 8: the slavers wanted. But one of the things that I
Speaker 8: believe we have a problem with as a country, as
Speaker 8: a party, and sometimes as a people, is that we
Speaker 8: accept the bad note right, we accept we accept the
Speaker 8: bad as like there, well, there's nothing we can do
Speaker 8: about the past. We can only look forward to the future. Now, No,
Speaker 8: we can do some things about the past, at least
Speaker 8: the parts of the past that are still like reaching
Speaker 8: their hands out to grab us and hold us back. Now, no,
Speaker 8: we can do something about that, right, And that's kind
Speaker 8: of what I try to refocus and reform the debate around,
Speaker 8: like these things in the past that still affect us
Speaker 8: today are things from the past that still need to
Speaker 8: be stamped out and fight and fought. And it's not
Speaker 8: enough to just do the back and forth of comedy
Speaker 8: of like, oh, well, this is how we always did it,
Speaker 8: so it's how we're gonna continue doing enough, miss me,
Speaker 8: with that, I don't.
Speaker 6: I think you're doing some much much deeper than that,
Speaker 6: And that is and I'd like you to give us
Speaker 6: some guidance and the listeners some guidance on this is
Speaker 6: we're almost always operating from the place where the table
Speaker 6: is already set right, where we're not adding anything new
Speaker 6: to the table. We are barely taking anything off. If anything,
Speaker 6: we're just mending the glass that broke on the table.
Speaker 6: But we are all accepting what came before. And I
Speaker 6: think in thinking about getting rid of a whole set
Speaker 6: of laws that pre existed a date, you are tapping
Speaker 6: into your imagination. You are deepening into what it is
Speaker 6: to if we had a blank sheet of paper, then
Speaker 6: you just start writing from the blank spot. And I
Speaker 6: like to know where do you give yourself permission? And
Speaker 6: then how do we give others permission to think about
Speaker 6: just society in general, wherever we are at our local level,
Speaker 6: at our county's, state, national level, how do we how
Speaker 6: do we begin the process of decoupling ourselves from a
Speaker 6: commitment to what has been to really affirmatively saying, you
Speaker 6: know what, man, if I could dream this the shit I.
Speaker 8: Do, this is what should be right, This is what
Speaker 8: should be part of So I have two answers to
Speaker 8: that question. One, I didn't come up with this. I
Speaker 8: learned this by watching South Africa, right, because South Africa
Speaker 8: had a racist, horrible bore constitution. Right, and when they
Speaker 8: got free, you know, Mendela is free and Matt Damon
Speaker 8: wins a rugby game and like all this stuff is
Speaker 8: going on, Right, what did South Africa do. Did they
Speaker 8: just go say, like, oh, our old racist constitution, We're
Speaker 8: just gonna make some amendments and you know, change some
Speaker 8: of the terms and now we're good. No, they were like,
Speaker 8: get that shit out of here, get it just get
Speaker 8: it straight out here, throw it out, the bath, the water,
Speaker 8: the baby, all of it. Throw it out. We're starting again,
Speaker 8: and we're starting again this time asking everybody, not just
Speaker 8: the white folks. Right. South Africa had a whole different
Speaker 8: constitutional convention that included, yes, the majority black population, but
Speaker 8: also whites. Whites were not unrepresented in the New African
Speaker 8: South African Constitutional Congress, right, and they wrote a new
Speaker 8: document which now stands as one of the best written
Speaker 8: constitution in the world. If you ask legal scholars and
Speaker 8: human rights watchers, South Africa has exceeded our constitution because
Speaker 8: they started again from front first principles, right, So that's
Speaker 8: number one. Like, if if you the the idea that
Speaker 8: put like this, the idea that my people were kidnapped, captured,
Speaker 8: brought here and slaved here, got free, but then still
Speaker 8: have to live under the laws as they were understood
Speaker 8: by their enslavers. Nah, that ain't freedom. That ain't freedom.
Speaker 8: That is a different form of capture. Right, you don't
Speaker 8: have you can go back throughout history. You don't have
Speaker 8: vikings getting you know, kidnapped by the Romans and then
Speaker 8: getting free and at all. I'm just gonna stay here
Speaker 8: in Rome and live as or No, that's not that's
Speaker 8: not how it happens. Right, So if we're gonna if
Speaker 8: we're gonna be free, at some point, we have to
Speaker 8: address the terrible laws and terrible principles of the plast
Speaker 8: as brought to us by our enslavers. Right, So that's
Speaker 8: kind of big picture number one. Number two, Just on
Speaker 8: the ground in the trenches, Never accept the premise of
Speaker 8: the question. Never accept the bad premise of their questions, right,
Speaker 8: Never accept that it that we we just have to
Speaker 8: wait a little bit longer for white folks to get
Speaker 8: an attle bit better. No, no, no, no, Like it's the
Speaker 8: fierce urgency of now that I'm talking about, Right, we
Speaker 8: can right now start changing some of these things in
Speaker 8: our first in our local communities, then statewide, and then
Speaker 8: and then nationally. And again, that's not something that I
Speaker 8: came up with. That is something that I learned from
Speaker 8: watching Republicans, because when Republicans take power, look at how
Speaker 8: they use it. They use it maximally. I made the
Speaker 8: argument that Republicans come into office with that sledgehammer and
Speaker 8: they just smash things. They smash what they don't like,
Speaker 8: they smash what they think is holding them back. Right,
Speaker 8: Democrats come into power with super glue and sell it tape,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna duct tape the thoughts back to get
Speaker 8: there and protect the institutions. And that no, and I'm
Speaker 8: trying to talk about, let's come into power if we're
Speaker 8: ever allowed to have it again with a sledgehammer. There
Speaker 8: are other things that we need to smash. That's why
Speaker 8: you'll never hear me really defend institutions. I'm not an
Speaker 8: institutionalist because the institutions most of the time are shitty,
Speaker 8: especially to me. Trump is taking a piss all over
Speaker 8: the FBI. You don't hear me saying like we need
Speaker 8: to restore the FBI. Nah, the FBI. I don't think
Speaker 8: that we should take it down the way Trump is
Speaker 8: taking it down. I don't think that we should politicize
Speaker 8: it and turn it into truly a secret police the
Speaker 8: way Trump and Cash Pattel want to do it. But
Speaker 8: I don't think that what we really need to do
Speaker 8: is just go back to the way the FBI worked
Speaker 8: when it was I don't know, not investigating Brett Cabinack. No,
Speaker 8: I don't think that FBI was any goddamn better, right,
Speaker 8: No need to. We need to fix and reform the FBI.
Speaker 8: But I'm not gonna defend the in of the FBI.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to defend any institution. I'm not going
Speaker 8: to defend the institution of the filibuster. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8: That's terrible, I hope, and one of the reasons why
Speaker 8: I was pissed at Placard Gate. I want the Republicans
Speaker 8: to right now be forced to break the filibuster. I
Speaker 8: want them to have to break the filibuster in order
Speaker 8: to get their horrible agenda through because it's clear to
Speaker 8: me that only Republicans have the stones to do it.
Speaker 8: Democrats will never have the stones to do it unless
Speaker 8: Republicans do it first. So I want Republicans to break
Speaker 8: that so then if we ever get power again, we
Speaker 8: can break it.
Speaker 4: Right there, Ellie, I want to talk about some of
Speaker 4: the things that you write in your book, because one
Speaker 4: I could listen to you and Andrew talk because Andrew,
Speaker 4: I would argue as our resident institutionalist, so and then
Speaker 4: he has these very eloquent questions that he asked you.
Speaker 4: But some of the things. One thing that I loved
Speaker 4: about your book is I go to law school, you know,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 3: I typically, well, typically, hey.
Speaker 4: I typically ask people who did go to law school
Speaker 4: explain things to me. And Angela and I have a
Speaker 4: friend Albert, and he's always saying, like, read the opinions
Speaker 4: like they're written in a way that they are, you know,
Speaker 4: digestible for people who didn't go to law school.
Speaker 5: And your book is written that way.
Speaker 4: The intro that Angela is referencing your whole thought process
Speaker 4: about erasing every law before in nineteen sixty five, it
Speaker 4: is written in such a witty way that's funny, but
Speaker 4: also it enrages you and the way that you break
Speaker 4: down these laws. One question you ask, which is your
Speaker 4: chapters are all questions and you say how can you
Speaker 4: murder someone if you didn't kill anybody? Another chapter is
Speaker 4: how do they fit the Federal budget inside People's wounds?
Speaker 5: And it starts you out at.
Speaker 4: These big, big, overarching themes, and then you go into
Speaker 4: these stories and your breakdown is so amazing that I
Speaker 4: was able to get through this book so quickly, and
Speaker 4: I understood every piece of it. And I have the
Speaker 4: pleasure of knowing you, so I could text you as
Speaker 4: I was reading, and it was just so well written.
Speaker 4: I so want to ask this question, but I would
Speaker 4: be stealing it from my brother Andrew. Andrew has such
Speaker 4: a great question that I want to hear your thoughts on,
Speaker 4: and he has a very eloquent way of asking these questions.
Speaker 4: But Andrew, I'm curious your thoughts. And I know we're
Speaker 4: gonna do this later as a whole special, But when
Speaker 4: we were talking this morning, you said you wanted to
Speaker 4: get Ellie's thoughts.
Speaker 6: On YO, so set up, set up, and Ellie, I
Speaker 6: don't know this.
Speaker 3: I want to hear, but we first have to take
Speaker 3: this break and be right back.
Speaker 6: It is, as you probably observed, particularly amongst black academicians,
Speaker 6: black lawyers, even civil rights leaders of the past have
Speaker 6: been beginning the opening of this relitigation of Brown v.
Speaker 6: Board and whether or not that should have been our fight,
Speaker 6: and whether or not the Supreme Court decided rightly or
Speaker 6: should Plessy v. Ferguson still be which is for those
Speaker 6: I think all of us know this as shorthand, but
Speaker 6: you know, plus to b. Ferguson the decision that basically
Speaker 6: says separate but equal, but inherently unequal right. And then
Speaker 6: of course the fight became around how it is that
Speaker 6: we have integration and equality by virtue of basically the
Speaker 6: mixing of of of the races in our in our
Speaker 6: public education system. And I'm just I don't know if
Speaker 6: you've entered that that fray of conversation and whether some
Speaker 6: of this feels a little sacrilegious even to me. I
Speaker 6: got to tell you to because I'm so faithful to
Speaker 6: the work that was done there. But it did beg
Speaker 6: the question as we as we ask. I talked to
Speaker 6: some the old heads that I know who live around,
Speaker 6: who are in my family, and there's some real striking
Speaker 6: divergent opinions about whether or not we should have kept
Speaker 6: us or if integration was a right fight to be had.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have weighed into this a little bit because
Speaker 8: I also know Michael Harriet, and so you can't know
Speaker 8: having to form an opinion about this. So the first
Speaker 8: thing I want to say about integration and Brown v.
Speaker 8: Bordived specifically as a legal case, was that you have
Speaker 8: to remember that the black people push pushing, not just
Speaker 8: Brown v. Bordived, but all of the other associated integration cases.
Speaker 8: We're not asking for integration. We were asking for our
Speaker 8: money back, right. Brown v. Bordived is the top line case.
Speaker 8: But there was another case in South Carolina that was
Speaker 8: consolidated into the same case about integration, and what they
Speaker 8: we were asking for was not coequal black and white schools.
Speaker 8: They were asking for a bus so that black students
Speaker 8: could get busted to their black school as opposed to
Speaker 8: to having to walk eight miles literally in the rain
Speaker 8: and swamps of North Carolina, when the white kids had
Speaker 8: ten buses. Give us one. We paid taxes, Give us
Speaker 8: a bus for our kids. That was what they were
Speaker 8: asking for, not to go to the white school, but
Speaker 8: to have the opportunity to make the black school as
Speaker 8: best and accessible as it could be with the taxpayer
Speaker 8: money that the whites were already extracting from our community.
Speaker 8: And the answer from the Supreme Court was not give
Speaker 8: blacks the money that they have put into the system.
Speaker 8: It was throw them into the white schools, and then
Speaker 8: they can't bitch anymore, right, which is an answer, right,
Speaker 8: But the actual ask was give us our money back.
Speaker 8: And you see this happen all the time in litigation
Speaker 8: around black issues, where we're asking for one thing, and
Speaker 8: even when we win, the court doesn't give us what
Speaker 8: we ask for, they give us something else. They give
Speaker 8: us what they think is the most beneficial for white people,
Speaker 8: even when they agree with our point, to say nothing
Speaker 8: of what happens when they disagree with our point. Right,
Speaker 8: So on that kind of thirty thousand foot look at integration,
Speaker 8: Always remember the quest for integration was not the quest
Speaker 8: to have the opportunity to eat lunch with Chip Harrington.
Speaker 8: The second. I don't give a damn about Chip. I
Speaker 8: don't want I don't need to, I don't need to
Speaker 8: hang out with Chip. I want the money. I want
Speaker 8: the money that our people have put into the system
Speaker 8: to come back out to our people at the equivalent rate.
Speaker 8: And that is what white people have always denied us, Right,
Speaker 8: That's number one number two on the kind of social
Speaker 8: questions of integration. I grew up an I am an
Speaker 8: integrated man, right. I went to phrenominantly white school. I
Speaker 8: was the only black kid and most of my schools
Speaker 8: and most of my classrooms, and that was difficult, right
Speaker 8: that that has scarring, psychological scarring, other scarring. I know
Speaker 8: Pearl Jam's lyrics better than I know nass right, like
Speaker 8: this just it's I do I can. I can sing
Speaker 8: you a Pearl Jam song right now at the.
Speaker 6: Time to give me some Tom petty, Tom petty.
Speaker 10: She grew up in Indiana Town and a good look
Speaker 10: at mama who never was around, like I can do
Speaker 10: them all right because I went to white schools and
Speaker 10: that's just how I'm gonna roll right right, So that's scarring,
Speaker 10: like never never goes away.
Speaker 8: I do believe the integration was great for white folks
Speaker 8: because the Chris Rock has this great joke. All black
Speaker 8: people can do is wait for better white folks to
Speaker 8: show up. The white folks right now a little bit
Speaker 8: better than the white folks one hundred years ago. Hopefully
Speaker 8: in a hundred years there'll be some even better white folks. Right.
Speaker 8: That's like, that's.
Speaker 11: That's about right on the movie like You Got It,
Speaker 11: Like integration, I provided value to the white folks who
Speaker 11: met me right throughout all of my education, right, I
Speaker 11: was doing double duty.
Speaker 8: I was educating myself, but I was also educating them.
Speaker 8: And now those white people are better off for having
Speaker 8: met me. Their children are better off for having met me.
Speaker 8: Their children are better off from having met my kids.
Speaker 8: I am a I am an educator of white folks, right,
Speaker 8: and that is part of the way that we make
Speaker 8: a better generation of white people. So kind of utilitarianly speaking,
Speaker 8: I think integration was great for the country. Was it
Speaker 8: great for me personally? I don't know. That's hard to say,
Speaker 8: because it's hard to then unravel all of the other things.
Speaker 8: If integration comes but the money doesn't come, then it
Speaker 8: was clearly then segregation was clearly worse for me. In
Speaker 8: this kind of Wakanda future where we don't have integration
Speaker 8: but we do have all of our money, am I
Speaker 8: better or worse off? That's really just hard to say, right,
Speaker 8: It's hard to project into some truly at that point
Speaker 8: science fiction future where black people receive all the resources
Speaker 8: we need and deserve and then live in a separate
Speaker 8: society if the white folks ever, But it'd be interesting
Speaker 8: to try, right, if the white folks ever wanted to
Speaker 8: pay us back, give us our reparations, give us our
Speaker 8: back pay, and then give us the land that we
Speaker 8: should have. Right. I don't know how that. I don't
Speaker 8: know that we're worse off than you get you want
Speaker 8: to get, because you know I was. I'm always like,
Speaker 8: you gotta give your reparations. But reparations with that land
Speaker 8: means nothing. So we'll take whatever. We'll take New York,
Speaker 8: New Jersey, you know, New England. We'll just take all
Speaker 8: that y' all can have, Texas or whatever. We'll we'll
Speaker 8: take our little enclave, you know, north of Philly, south
Speaker 8: of bangor like, let's go give us the money back
Speaker 8: and we'll see what we can do. I think we
Speaker 8: would thrive in that situation, and I would I would
Speaker 8: like to play that out. But you understand, Andrew, that
Speaker 8: is a science fiction play. That is not something that's
Speaker 8: actually gonna happen, given what white people were actually willing
Speaker 8: to do. I think integration is probably the best answer.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you on this, and if we can
Speaker 1: take it to the thirty thousand feet level, for some
Speaker 1: of the more basic among us.
Speaker 3: I will be one of the basics.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there's this remarkable conversation that's
Speaker 1: happening right now about like.
Speaker 3: How we meet the moment?
Speaker 1: What are black people supposed to do for ourselves right now?
Speaker 1: There's a debate about whether or not we should be
Speaker 1: resting or working. You and you already said, like Frederick
Speaker 1: Douglass told you, probably through this pick brother, you don't
Speaker 1: get to be tired, right like, so we understand all
Speaker 1: of that, but also we still get questions every week,
Speaker 1: Ellie from somebody in our audience.
Speaker 3: It's like, what do we do? Where do we go
Speaker 3: from here?
Speaker 1: What's next? And I know I'm gonna put you in
Speaker 1: you and Tiff on one side of the doom spectrum
Speaker 1: and me and Andrew on the other. But if you were
Speaker 1: tapping into the hope that comes from the ancestors, the
Speaker 1: work that you know that you stand on the fact,
Speaker 1: like the bar today for me is white folks are
Speaker 1: better better.
Speaker 3: Off for having met me. Okay, Like I know, I
Speaker 3: say educate, but I love it. I love it like
Speaker 3: I should have reparations for two reasons.
Speaker 1: Now your ass and you work my ass to death,
Speaker 1: Like I get it, and I just would like to
Speaker 1: ask you in this what is the thing that would
Speaker 1: make you feel hopeful, even if you.
Speaker 3: Don't see it right now? What is the thing?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 3: We know there's bad law, where's the good law coming from? Ellie?
Speaker 1: We know that you know that we have to fight back,
Speaker 1: that that is our most reasonable service. But what does
Speaker 1: it look like to get to the point where we
Speaker 1: can rest? What is that? What is that verse version
Speaker 1: of America? Are you just like Jeremiah right, goddamn America?
Speaker 8: Like, where are we at?
Speaker 3: Where are we at?
Speaker 8: Where we at the version of America where we can rest?
Speaker 8: I don't that that's that's too hopeful for me.
Speaker 12: I don't want to.
Speaker 9: Hear.
Speaker 8: I don't see the version where we can rest. And
Speaker 8: it's partially you know again, I have children, and uh
Speaker 8: so I want to I want to I want to
Speaker 8: answer this question this way. So my mother was born
Speaker 8: in nineteen fifty in Mississippi, segregated South black woman you know,
Speaker 8: has horrible stories about having going her father. I'm a
Speaker 8: quarter of Chinese. Her father was Chinese, and so in
Speaker 8: the South the Chinese uh men got to be treated
Speaker 8: like half white. So there were, so my mom couldn't
Speaker 8: go to the one library in her town, but her
Speaker 8: dad could go in. And so she's got horrible stories
Speaker 8: about kind of waiting on the steps of the library
Speaker 8: waiting for her dad to check out books for her
Speaker 8: while she's sitting on the steps, and the white people
Speaker 8: walking by here just calling her everything the son of God, saying,
Speaker 8: you know you can't go there, you know you can't
Speaker 8: go in there. She's like, I'm literally on the step right,
Speaker 8: so that's where she starts, right, and then I show
Speaker 8: up and I do whatever I do. I you know,
Speaker 8: Barack Obama gets elected and she's like, we won, We won,
Speaker 8: and she's so happy. And then we start losing, and
Speaker 8: then we start losing and losing and losing. I can
Speaker 8: see it just wearing on her face and her soul.
Speaker 8: And she says to me, in twenty seventeen, right, so
Speaker 8: not even the second eruption of racial violence. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 8: She's like, I cannot believe that my grandkids are gonna
Speaker 8: have to fight the same battles that I fought. You
Speaker 8: couldn't have told me in the sixties and the seventies
Speaker 8: that my grandkids were gonna have to fight the same
Speaker 8: battles that I fought as a gen X black person.
Speaker 8: I realized that I grew up in a bubble, in
Speaker 8: a time bubble, in a warped bubble where, for a
Speaker 8: brief moment, this country was actually interested in moving forward,
Speaker 8: This country was actually interested in integration, in justice, in fairness.
Speaker 8: That was a bubble. That wasn't what my mom grew
Speaker 8: up with, and it's not what my children are gonna
Speaker 8: grow up with. Right And so when you say, like
Speaker 8: this point where we can rest now, we can never
Speaker 8: rest because they will always try to take it from us.
Speaker 8: You know, one of the things that I have learned
Speaker 8: for sure about white folks in this country is that
Speaker 8: they never take a loss as a defeat. They never
Speaker 8: take a loss as the end of the story. They
Speaker 8: don't retreat, They reload, and they will come. If we
Speaker 8: win a RTE today, white folks will be at the
Speaker 8: door trying to take it away tomorrow. So there is
Speaker 8: no rest, no never rest, because they will always try
Speaker 8: to get it. That said, what would make me feel
Speaker 8: like we are winning or that we're winning more than
Speaker 8: we're losing. Well, first of all, you'll see why I'm
Speaker 8: stopping for a second. A lot of these boomers are
Speaker 8: gonna die soon, right, like some of this dead hand
Speaker 8: control that we have right now, like they are dying
Speaker 8: off at this point. My generation gen X has failed.
Speaker 8: As a generation, gen X has failed, and we need
Speaker 8: to own our failure. We had an opportunity to push
Speaker 8: the ball forward as a generation. We failed. But the
Speaker 8: millennials haven't failed yet. Gen Z hasn't failed yet, and
Speaker 8: I don't think they're gonna fail, right. So what gives
Speaker 8: me hope is when I see younger people taking up
Speaker 8: the mantle and pushing that rock forward. And every time
Speaker 8: I go into one of these rooms, and you know, Angela,
Speaker 8: you you got you guys know the rooms that I'm
Speaker 8: talking about, right, We're in rooms where really old people.
Speaker 8: We're in rooms where like I'm one of the youngest
Speaker 8: people in there, and I should not be the youngest
Speaker 8: people in any goddamn leadership room.
Speaker 3: Are we at the damn kids table?
Speaker 13: You know?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 8: And one of the things that I say in these
Speaker 8: rooms is that we the old heads, need to get
Speaker 8: out the way and let the kids lead. They will
Speaker 8: make mistakes, they will not get it entirely right, But
Speaker 8: you know I'm a dad. I show up at the
Speaker 8: game with orange slices, right. I don't show up in
Speaker 8: the game to play, right. I'm not trying to score
Speaker 8: the winning goal or score the time. I'm trying to
Speaker 8: bring the kids out for pizza afterwards, right, Because I
Speaker 8: have things now that they don't have, like a mortgage
Speaker 8: I've gotten, right, I've got disposable income, and you know,
Speaker 8: and if they want to access some of my wisdom
Speaker 8: or experience while I'm funding them in whatever ways that
Speaker 8: I can and helping them in whatever ways that I can,
Speaker 8: that's great. But I don't get to lead it because
Speaker 8: my generation had a chance to lead it and we
Speaker 8: screwed it up. So what will give me hope and
Speaker 8: what makes me feel better is when I see these
Speaker 8: young people out there doing what they're doing the Justinson Tennessee, right, like, like,
Speaker 8: those are the guys that are our future. You know,
Speaker 8: we I am already part of the past, and my
Speaker 8: charge is to simply help the younger generation fight battles
Speaker 8: that my generation fought and lost, but my mother's generation
Speaker 8: fought and won.
Speaker 5: Hmm, I got goose listening to Ellie.
Speaker 4: I just want they never take a loss as at
Speaker 4: after it when we look at what's happening throughout history.
Speaker 4: That is that's so accurate. I just want to make
Speaker 4: a quick reference Angela. You talked about meeting the moment,
Speaker 4: and I just want to say, Angela wrote a substack
Speaker 4: on the five ways to meet the moment. I think
Speaker 4: I got it right, Yes, the five ways to meet
Speaker 4: the moment to meet. Yeah, so you all can subscribe
Speaker 4: to her substack to get that. But Ellie, you are
Speaker 4: I mean, I really got goosebumps off that. And it's
Speaker 4: something for us all to consider that white folks never
Speaker 4: take a loss as a defeat.
Speaker 5: If that is the case, then how do we move forward?
Speaker 4: And I would also say that Ellie is more on
Speaker 4: the side of Angela and Andrew like you are hopeful.
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful about this moment.
Speaker 8: Oh, because we can beat them, just because because we
Speaker 8: beat them before.
Speaker 1: Specific Yeah, we want to know, Eli asked, and what
Speaker 1: you talk about. Yes, tell us how we never have
Speaker 1: to accept the losses of defeat.
Speaker 3: Tell me that.
Speaker 8: Again, we don't come from a defeated people. We organize it, right,
Speaker 8: We organized, we activate. Look, I am very focused on
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty six primary. I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 8: have a free and fair election all right in twenty
Speaker 8: twenties in the near term, right, I think it's gonna
Speaker 8: be one of those things where like Trump when he
Speaker 8: runs again in twenty twenty eight, says I won with
Speaker 8: nine to six percent of the vote, like he's a
Speaker 8: war lord in you know, a country that the Avengers
Speaker 8: have to go fight in Segovia or whatever. But we're
Speaker 8: gonna have a free and fair Democratic primary in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty six. For that's that's gonna be free, that's gonna
Speaker 8: be fair. And that is what I'm laser focused on
Speaker 8: because I think about the Tea Party, Right, how did
Speaker 8: the Tea Party announce itself to the world as a
Speaker 8: force to be reckoned with in this country by being
Speaker 8: a Democrat?
Speaker 6: Nah?
Speaker 8: Protest Nah. They took out Eric Cant, They took out
Speaker 8: a young, up and coming Republican leader in Virginia, and
Speaker 8: they took him out and they lost the seat. They
Speaker 8: put up a crazy Republican and the Republican got swamped
Speaker 8: in Virginia, which is now pretty much a blue state.
Speaker 8: They lost the seat, but they told other Republicans, you're
Speaker 8: gonna play ball with us. The Tea Party, and we're
Speaker 8: not doing the centrist moderate bull crap like Eric Canter.
Speaker 8: Twenty twenty five is our opportunity to do that for
Speaker 8: our side. Twenty twenty five is our opportunity to go
Speaker 8: out and tell some of these Democrats you're not getting
Speaker 8: through the primary process if you don't play to our
Speaker 8: issues and fight the way that we know that we
Speaker 8: need to fight, and we might lose a seat. We
Speaker 8: might lose two seats right if we elect if we
Speaker 8: primary out moderate centrists, meleiemouthed Democrats and replace them with
Speaker 8: actual fighters. But that would be okay because that would
Speaker 8: announce to the rest of the party coming into the
Speaker 8: twenty twenty eight cycle. Y'all better not come weak. You
Speaker 8: go hard in the paint, or you don't come in
Speaker 8: here at all. And that is what I am focused
Speaker 8: on right now, and it's something that I think everybody
Speaker 8: can do right now to start to change the course
Speaker 8: of this nation. And the other thing we say it,
Speaker 8: people like us say it all the time, and I
Speaker 8: just I really don't think people understand how important it
Speaker 8: is to actually call your representatives, to actually show up
Speaker 8: at their town halls and bitch and moan and scream
Speaker 8: and bring signs and throw tomatoes and do all the
Speaker 8: things like that actually works. Politicians generally are not the
Speaker 8: most courageous people.
Speaker 6: In the world, am all right.
Speaker 8: They are people with their finger in the wind trying
Speaker 8: to figure out which way it's blowing. They're people who
Speaker 8: see a parade marching down the street and run ahead
Speaker 8: to leave the parade because they want to be a leader,
Speaker 8: but they're not actually leaving the movement. So when you
Speaker 8: flood these people with your voice, with your activism, with
Speaker 8: your energy, they listen. My dad was a local politician,
Speaker 8: and lord knows, I saw him take some weird positions
Speaker 8: when his inbox got filled up. I heard him say
Speaker 8: some things I didn't think I was ever going to
Speaker 8: hear him say when that answering machine couldn't accept no
Speaker 8: more calls.
Speaker 3: You about all right, y'all, we gotta pay some bills.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 6: I said this to Angela that we were talking one weekend,
Speaker 6: and I said, you know, you know, politicians are are
Speaker 6: some of the most you know, sort of leaderless. They're
Speaker 6: not the most courageous bunch. And you got silent on
Speaker 6: the other end of the phone. And because at this
Speaker 6: point we were talking about national politics, and I said,
Speaker 6: we just they just they're followers in so many ways. Yes,
Speaker 6: there's the there's the finger up, and then there's of
Speaker 6: course the entrenchment of these polls. All the polls are
Speaker 6: saying D D. And I'm like, I'm sorry, when do
Speaker 6: we When do we stop reading the polls and start
Speaker 6: shaping them? Isn't that's what leadership is supposed to be?
Speaker 6: But shouldn't you be here telling me another way of thinking,
Speaker 6: of doing, of being and see if I could subscribe
Speaker 6: to that perspective, and then so doing we start to
Speaker 6: lead and then shape how other people believe and feel
Speaker 6: about it. Ellie, I really thought.
Speaker 8: On this show right now, everybody on this show right
Speaker 8: now is one to get fired from a job. You've
Speaker 8: been there, right, has been fired from a job, has
Speaker 8: been has stood ten toes down, and then like, oh,
Speaker 8: you're going to have to fire my ass because I'm
Speaker 8: not going to do that thing you want me to do. Right,
Speaker 8: That's what there are so few politicians like that. Politicians
Speaker 8: don't want to get fired from no job. And I
Speaker 8: do think that that is one of the that is
Speaker 8: why they need outside pressure, because the thing that they
Speaker 8: are scared about. I've met politicians, congress people, Senator I
Speaker 8: think who has never been fired from a job. And
Speaker 8: let me just tell you, if you ain't never been fired,
Speaker 8: I don't trust your ass. I'm sorry. If you ain't
Speaker 8: never been fired, I do not trust you, because that
Speaker 8: means at some point, at some point, some boss has
Speaker 8: been willing to say something, and you've been going to
Speaker 8: say yes, And I'm like, no, no, no, I've been
Speaker 8: fired for so many jobs, right, because that's the only
Speaker 8: way I know how to beat Yeah, So sorry, I
Speaker 8: cut you off, Andrew, No, because this is where the.
Speaker 6: Question was going for you, which is a lot of
Speaker 6: us have seen a sort of collapse at the whole
Speaker 6: checks and balance system, certainly as a relates to the
Speaker 6: Congress and the executive And given your familiarity with the
Speaker 6: courts and your your your life's work has required navigating
Speaker 6: through them, I'm just curious whether or not you feel
Speaker 6: like they're going to hold, Like, is anyone coming to
Speaker 6: save us?
Speaker 8: Is anyone?
Speaker 6: Is it gonna be? Is the court stop qu as
Speaker 6: obviously through the democratic process and protests, but we have
Speaker 6: life cycles to that. It's the next election before we
Speaker 6: know the verdict, it's the next you know, so on
Speaker 6: and so forth. So in the meantime between time, what
Speaker 6: do you is it fair for Is it a failed
Speaker 6: hope for people to say this thing might get the
Speaker 6: courts may catch it.
Speaker 8: Yeah. No, the courts are not a stop sign. It's
Speaker 8: a they're a turnstyle, all right. The way that I've
Speaker 8: written about this in the Nation, and I'll put it
Speaker 8: very simply, there are things that that Donald Trump has
Speaker 8: the physical power to do. Right. He physically controls the military,
Speaker 8: He physically controls the paramilitary, the secret police, all of
Speaker 8: his forces. He physically controls the money. On issues where
Speaker 8: Donald Trump is in physical control, John Roberts will fold
Speaker 8: like a cheap chair. He will not. John Roberts does
Speaker 8: not want a confrontation with Donald Trump on the law
Speaker 8: because Roberts is pretty sure that Donald Trump will ignore
Speaker 8: a Supreme Court order and do what he wants anyway.
Speaker 8: And there's nothing that makes the Supreme Court look worse,
Speaker 8: there's nothing that makes it look more effeckless than having
Speaker 8: a powerful executive ignore one of their orders. So John
Speaker 8: Roberts will try to avoid that one on one confrontation
Speaker 8: with Trump. With Trump, you know, courts versus the executive
Speaker 8: And so when on issues where Trump has all of
Speaker 8: the power, Roberts is going to cave. He'll might wag
Speaker 8: his finger and be like, I don't like the process
Speaker 8: you used, right, he might bump it back, remand it
Speaker 8: they'll call it back to a lower court, basically to
Speaker 8: give Trump a second, third, fourth bite at the apple.
Speaker 8: That's exactly, by the way, what he did with the
Speaker 8: Muslim band. If you remember, Trump lost the first two
Speaker 8: Muslim bands cases, but never forever, because again, they don't retreat,
Speaker 8: they just reload. Roberts was like, try it again, try
Speaker 8: it again, and eventually Trump got it right and got
Speaker 8: his Muslim band. That's how Roberts will deal with issues
Speaker 8: where Trump has all the power. On issues where Trump
Speaker 8: doesn't have all of the power, where he can't do
Speaker 8: what he wants to do unless state and local officials
Speaker 8: follow his rules, Roberts and the Supreme Court might push
Speaker 8: back a little bit there. Right, So, I think about
Speaker 8: some of these lawsuits against sanctuary cities, against you know,
Speaker 8: New York State or whatever with congestion pricing, where Trump
Speaker 8: can't force hulkl to do what Trump wants her to
Speaker 8: do unless the Supreme Court agrees. If the Supreme Court
Speaker 8: sides with Hchel, Hulko's gonna stand, you know, two fingers
Speaker 8: up and be like, what come on, bro? And if
Speaker 8: Trump wants to stop that, he's gonna have to put
Speaker 8: troops on the GW right. So like, on those issues,
Speaker 8: I think Roberts might stand up. But on these issues
Speaker 8: of like can he abduct people off the street and
Speaker 8: send them away for writing newspaper articles, Roberts is gonna
Speaker 8: say he can. He might not say that dire, but
Speaker 8: he's not gonna stop him. Does Trump have to turn
Speaker 8: the planes around? You notice you noticed that Roberts went
Speaker 8: out there and said, like, impeaching judges is bad. He
Speaker 8: didn't say ignoring lower court orders is bad. He said,
Speaker 8: do the appeals process, bro, who knows, maybe you'll win, sir,
Speaker 8: That's what he said. So, no, the courts are not
Speaker 8: coming to save us on these issues where Trump is
Speaker 8: acting with physical military authority. The rest of the stuff
Speaker 8: we might get to.
Speaker 4: So we do have a viewer question. And Andrew has.
Speaker 8: Some yes my hair is real, that's the sorry, and has.
Speaker 4: Some secret clip he wants to play. But we're gonna
Speaker 4: do theiss.
Speaker 6: Well, no, the breaking The setup of the clip is
Speaker 6: that the breaking news was gonna show Mike Johnson and
Speaker 6: the Republican cloak room secret footage of how he reacted
Speaker 6: to his his eleven Republicans bucking the system in voting
Speaker 6: with all the Democrats.
Speaker 3: I want to see that. I didn't see it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, secret footage. That's tomorrow, and that is it for
Speaker 6: us today. And we will leave you with a I
Speaker 6: can't do it, We'll do it live. Okay, we'll do
Speaker 6: it live.
Speaker 8: Do it live.
Speaker 6: I can, I'll write it and we'll do it live.
Speaker 6: The thing sucks.
Speaker 10: Four.
Speaker 6: That's tomorrow, and that is it for us today. I'm Bill, O'Reilly,
Speaker 6: thanks again for watching. We'll leave you with sting and
Speaker 6: a cut off his new album Take It Away. So yeah,
Speaker 6: that was speaker Johnson's.
Speaker 14: Uh, I know, we'll do it.
Speaker 6: Lie all right, I'll write it myself.
Speaker 5: And well we have a real viewer question. I don't
Speaker 5: know what the view is. Let's roll that with.
Speaker 1: Andrew is a permanent troll on the podcast with something.
Speaker 15: Native Lampard is BJ Bruneius from New Orleans, Louisiana, and I'm.
Speaker 13: Gonna tell you I was triggered by.
Speaker 15: This conversation, and let me tell you why, because I
Speaker 15: don't know no black people who identify as gay before
Speaker 15: they identify as black.
Speaker 10: Not one.
Speaker 13: Straight people are the ones who make a big deal
Speaker 13: out of who we go to bed with. So the
Speaker 13: idea that we would identify first with who we sleeping with,
Speaker 13: when who we sleeping with is is how y'all high
Speaker 13: the lens through with y'all view us, not the lens
Speaker 13: through what we view ourselves. So we always black first.
Speaker 13: I got a problem with black people taking on the
Speaker 13: views of white folk. White folk view marginalized communities gaining
Speaker 13: aspects of equality as a zero sum game, meaning that
Speaker 13: they got to lose something in order for other people
Speaker 13: to gain. How did we get to a place where
Speaker 13: black people feel the exact same way about gay people,
Speaker 13: like for gay people to gain rights means that black
Speaker 13: people lost something. Andrew, make that make sense to me
Speaker 13: because I don't get it as a black man.
Speaker 1: Where is Brunie is Brunie is on the show?
Speaker 8: Conversation?
Speaker 1: Excellent? This can Let's make that. Let's replay that, and
Speaker 1: let's like that our mini pie. We know Ellie actually
Speaker 1: has to go where.
Speaker 3: A little.
Speaker 5: Thoughts on that because that was if.
Speaker 1: You guys don't mind, if we can do our ct
Speaker 1: as for this show, and then we'll just stay and
Speaker 1: let that be.
Speaker 3: Okay, people want to stay.
Speaker 1: I okay, okay, So do you guys have ct A
Speaker 1: s or do we see Andrews.
Speaker 5: Blow your nose on camera?
Speaker 3: I told him he does it. I told him he
Speaker 3: does this.
Speaker 8: Any you just said I do?
Speaker 6: Was the blow that I said, I don't?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well we have anyway, I did.
Speaker 5: Ane and I talked about this.
Speaker 4: I don't like when people call there a dinner napkins grow.
Speaker 8: Where are you supposed to.
Speaker 3: The bathroom?
Speaker 8: I gonna get all the way up and go all
Speaker 8: the way to the bathroom.
Speaker 6: Book get out of here. Maybe that out of be
Speaker 6: the many no no, you little tissue boxes way way
Speaker 6: answer that the bathroom always bat that is not at table.
Speaker 8: I got, I got ishoe boxes.
Speaker 6: I go tissues and win just in everything, Angela, keep living.
Speaker 4: Okay, living my mom, Okay, my c I'll be quick.
Speaker 4: I got any quick ones. Yes, my c t A is,
Speaker 4: please do not blow your nose at a dinner table
Speaker 4: like that is like we even go if I do
Speaker 4: want to vomit, if I hear somebody clearing their nostrils
Speaker 4: while I'm eating, I don't like it. And to my
Speaker 4: second CTA is just for Ellie who wrote this brilliant book,
Speaker 4: and I hope everybody buys bad laws and popular laws
Speaker 4: that are ruining America. While Angela and Andrew are giving
Speaker 4: their CTAs, I would like to request of you. You
Speaker 4: mentioned that you have two kids, but you actually have three,
Speaker 4: and I think our viewers, I know the listeners won't
Speaker 4: be able to, but.
Speaker 5: Our viewers would like to see your youngest.
Speaker 6: One to see please.
Speaker 5: I saw him in the beginning of the show.
Speaker 4: It's Cassandra hert Thank you, Andrew, and I do know
Speaker 4: that she is not schizophrenic.
Speaker 5: So Cassandra, oh my.
Speaker 12: God, not not a cad again, like, why are we here?
Speaker 3: You got Helly? Calm down? This is Elly's this.
Speaker 8: Is what this is my animal, you know, because the
Speaker 8: thing about dogs that are really awesome is that, sorry,
Speaker 8: the thing about dogs that are so awesome is that
Speaker 8: they don't give a ship I come home. She doesn't.
Speaker 8: She's not like, oh my god, did you see what
Speaker 8: Trump did? She doesn't care.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, how long have you been gone?
Speaker 8: Do you have any food? That's what I would like to.
Speaker 3: Know, rub my belly.
Speaker 8: Can I do a call to action besides please God?
Speaker 8: So obviously first, like by my buckets, also available on
Speaker 8: ad on Audible in case you like to hear me
Speaker 8: screaming at you. But the second call is absolutely, especially
Speaker 8: based on the conversation that we've had today. Don't give up.
Speaker 8: Don't give up these people historic I say all the time,
Speaker 8: we are living in a fascist state. But let's remember,
Speaker 8: fascist state don't last very long because they always overplay
Speaker 8: their hand. They always always overplay their hand. So don't
Speaker 8: give up right now, don't don't turn in, turnout, and
Speaker 8: and that's how we're gonna get through it.
Speaker 16: Andrew, No, I mean a salute, by the way, to
Speaker 16: all those voters who came out in this last week
Speaker 16: and show their might, their power, their strength, because we're
Speaker 16: also beating back the.
Speaker 6: Other side by winning at the ballot box and in
Speaker 6: places where we have an outright one. We have shrunk
Speaker 6: the margins in the very least by one half of
Speaker 6: what they were previously in support of the of the
Speaker 6: Republican Party. So day after day, you know, act after act,
Speaker 6: step after step, we're shredding.
Speaker 1: Them I'm gonna take from Ellie tiff is normally our
Speaker 1: resident plagiarist.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to do that today.
Speaker 1: They never take a loss as a defeat, and I
Speaker 1: love that so much because I do think that that
Speaker 1: can become our own mantra, that we never have to
Speaker 1: take a loss as a defeat. We may lose the
Speaker 1: battle today, but we can certainly still win the war.
Speaker 3: And on that we have launched the.
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Speaker 3: We can have a coalition based podcast.
Speaker 1: But we want to make sure no matter what we're doing,
Speaker 1: that we are finding our hands to do something. We
Speaker 1: were on the Win with Black Women Call on Sunday
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Speaker 1: after the election something broken her. And she was saying
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Speaker 3: Bed, you go to bed, you go to bed, you
Speaker 3: go to bed, you gotta go to bed.
Speaker 1: But we are energized by what's happening, and there's something
Speaker 1: about not giving up in this moment that does feel
Speaker 1: spiritual lity. And so I'm so grateful that you said
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Speaker 1: Also, y'all, we had an amazing question from Bruni as
Speaker 1: who I was like, as soon as he started talking,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he my cousin. He's a light
Speaker 1: skinned black man from New Orleans. We're gonna run that
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Speaker 3: Elle gotta go, and he's staying for this.
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