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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, this is Native lamppod.

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Speaker 3: We are An episode is seventy three.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Angela Raie, along with hosts Tiffany Cross

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Speaker 1: and Andrew gillim And today we have a very very

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Speaker 1: special guest, our good friend Ellie Miss Style, who is

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Speaker 1: the writer of not one, but two amazing books. Today

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Speaker 1: we're talking about bad law, ten popular laws that are

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Speaker 1: ruining America, and there are a lot of other things

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Speaker 1: that are ruinning America. So we'll get into all of

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Speaker 1: that today, as well as several other items. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to jump right in. I want to hear what

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Speaker 1: y'all want to talk about. I know, I just want

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Speaker 1: to ask you all what you want to talk about today.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got to be excited about talking about

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Speaker 4: Ellie's book Ellie.

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Speaker 5: I read your book.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing, and I think the ten laws that you

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Speaker 4: elected to write about are very applicable to what's happening

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Speaker 4: in the news right now.

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Speaker 5: So that's what's on my mind.

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Speaker 6: Andrewitch you got, I got Ellie on digital and I

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Speaker 6: am excited about today's conversation. But I'm also excited about

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Speaker 6: something else that happened this week that I think confused

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Speaker 6: a little fire into the Democratic and maybe the American

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Speaker 6: people writ large, and that is our good brother, Senator

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Speaker 6: Cory Booker.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, So we'll talk about Corey Booker. I know we're

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Speaker 1: also going to talk about the madness that is the

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Speaker 1: House floor. Why would Speaker Johnson just decide to adjourn

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a voting week. They need to

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Speaker 1: get to work, But also we don't know if they

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Speaker 1: that and so much more. We're going to get into

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Speaker 1: all of this with our guest host today, Ellie Misstyle.

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Speaker 3: Let's jump into it.

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Speaker 1: So I actually want to start talking about proxy voting

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Speaker 1: today with this video from Representative Melanie Stansbury, who also

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Speaker 1: joined us on the State of the People marathon. Just briefly,

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Speaker 1: but I want you ought to hear what she has

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Speaker 1: to say about Mike Johnson canceling all votes this week

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Speaker 1: as a result of this issue.

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Speaker 7: Well, it is always an adventure around here. This afternoon,

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Speaker 7: they tried to run the rule that allows us to

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Speaker 7: vote on various pieces of legislation that included their entire

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Speaker 7: agenda for the week, and part of what they included

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Speaker 7: in that rule was some language to try to shut

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Speaker 7: down a bipartisan petition that was signed by the majority

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Speaker 7: of House members on both sides of the aisle to

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Speaker 7: make it possible for new parents with newborns to proxy vote,

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Speaker 7: which means you can vote remotely so that you don't

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Speaker 7: have to endanger your baby and new parents by coming

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Speaker 7: in in those early days. And like I said, it

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Speaker 7: was bipartisan. It was supported by both some of the

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Speaker 7: And the Speaker is so hell bent and shutting down

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Speaker 7: this bipartisan petition, and we're not sure why that it

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Speaker 7: got voted down. The rule got voted down on the

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Speaker 7: floor which was trying to shut that down, and rather

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Speaker 7: give parents the ability to vote remotely as they're recovering

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Speaker 7: from the birth of a child. He canceled votes for

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Speaker 7: the rest of the week and just shut the entire

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Speaker 5: This is so crazy.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't even like. The way this place is operating

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Speaker 3: But I guess we'll regroup and hopefully.

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Speaker 7: We'll get back on track and I'll see you guys soon.

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Speaker 6: No, the second graders are loose and in chargeous. I'm

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Speaker 6: curious to know if y'all think the speaker is more

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Speaker 6: offended by accommodating women who just gave birth or and

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Speaker 6: by the way, this is for ten weeks. They're ten

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Speaker 6: But their views on the family are hardcore in that document,

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Speaker 6: be included. And that's just taking a male, female view

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Speaker 6: of a family, But there are many versions of what

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Speaker 4: I mean, I take your point, Andrew, and I think

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Speaker 4: it's really interesting that these strange bedfellows are advocating for this.

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Speaker 4: And look, Anna, Paulina Luna, who is the other person

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Speaker 4: at the center of this controversy is from your neck

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Speaker 4: of the woods, Andrew.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, further south than me, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: In Florida, and she is batshit crazy an election denier.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, you voted for the same people who

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Speaker 4: are denying you your right to vote. Which brings me

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Speaker 4: to this literary masterpiece here, because Ellie, one of the

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Speaker 4: first pieces, the first laws that you talk about, is

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Speaker 4: voter suppression, and this is a form of voter suppression.

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Speaker 4: Gear words elected members of Congress. So I'm curious your

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So to answer answer to answer Andrew's question, I

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Speaker 8: absolutely think it is laser focus directed at women who

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Speaker 8: they're basically trying to set up is a two tiered

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Speaker 8: Women congress people can't do the job the same way

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Speaker 8: that women that men can do the job, and so

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Speaker 8: we shouldn't elect them to Congress. And that is there,

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Speaker 8: That is the thin end of the wedge to more

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Speaker 8: generally restrict voting rights for women in general. I think

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Speaker 8: Here's a pop quiz. How many legislatures in American history

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Speaker 8: The first one was Nevada in two thousand and eighteen.

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Speaker 8: you can see how this entire country is kind of

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Speaker 8: by men for men, consistently stamping on the women's right

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Speaker 8: the book, I talk about how the very first voter

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Speaker 8: the attorney general was arguing that they should lower the

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Speaker 8: this is this is the eighteen hundreds. You know, black

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Speaker 8: people aren't voting because they're not considered people. Women aren't

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Speaker 8: if you let poor white men vote, I mean, what's

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Speaker 8: his literal argument in a letter. So the mass the

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Speaker 8: misogne sticker roots of this country are deep, and make

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Speaker 8: an argument in the book that the nineteen sixty five

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Speaker 8: five Civil Rights Act, the Nineteenth Amendment, which gave women

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Speaker 8: Black women were not voting because white suffragettes the one

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Speaker 8: why that piece of legislation is so important, and that's

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you, Angela, because you're the only person

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Speaker 4: it work now if somebody is pregnant, Like, how did

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Speaker 4: your members, as a former executive director of the Congression

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Speaker 1: and they and asked for proxy voting. This is a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan measure. As crazy as you say, this woman is

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Speaker 1: who left the Freedom Caucus behind this issue. There are

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Speaker 1: some moments where permanent interests trump your permanent enemies or

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Speaker 1: think that it is important to understand that when there

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Speaker 1: was a national crisis, the pandemic, they voted by proxy.

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Speaker 1: There was a piece in here that would have allowed

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Speaker 1: health crises. Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee who had cancer right

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Speaker 1: Congressman coming to was very ill, Donald Payne Senior and

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Speaker 1: Donald Payne Junior who were very ill. There are always

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Speaker 1: reasons why your humanity should leave first. And what I

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Speaker 1: what did you expect from this party, this party that

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to democratize access to healthcare because health issues

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Speaker 1: and concerns and challenges and conditions are absolutely nonpartisan, but

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Speaker 1: they still want to make you pay for health care

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Speaker 1: costs at a premium unless you're a healthcare or health

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Speaker 1: insurance company. Chip Roy, who last night tweeted or Tuesday

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Speaker 1: night when this happened, tweeted, proxy voting is unconstitutional and

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Speaker 1: will be abused and expanded.

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Speaker 3: Show up for work or don't run for congress.

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Speaker 1: Well, god forbid that life happens to your friends, because

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Speaker 1: that is what we're dealing with. How can you not

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Speaker 1: account for a health emergency something with your child? Human

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Speaker 6: Floor, Angela Tiffany, Ellie, what did what did that? What

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Speaker 8: just like, oh, it was just a stunt first of all, Yeah,

437
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Speaker 8: it was a stunt because the Democrats don't have any power.

438
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Speaker 8: So what are we supposed to do other than stunt

439
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Speaker 8: on these fools? That's literally what we can do right now.

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Speaker 8: Number one. Number two, how do you think the conversation

441
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Speaker 8: gets started? Right when people have been asking me with

442
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Speaker 8: my book, like, you know, why did you write this

443
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Speaker 8: book when you didn't know who was gonna win the election?

444
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Speaker 8: It's like, dude, I wrote this book before Joe Biden's

445
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Speaker 8: first the Band. I was pretty sure who was gonna

446
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Speaker 8: win the election when I wrote it. All right, I'm

447
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Speaker 8: not under any illusions. I wrote the book because I've

448
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 8: been calling it my start of writing Project twenty twenty nine.

449
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 8: Right when did Republicans start writing Project twenty twenty five?

450
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Speaker 8: In twenty twenty one when they had no power? When

451
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Speaker 8: they at lust when they got in their asses kick

452
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Speaker 8: and they were so pissed off they tried to attack

453
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Speaker 8: the capitol and that didn't work, and that's when they

454
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Speaker 8: started planning for twenty twenty five. So in the same way,

455
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Speaker 8: this is when I start planning for twenty twenty nine, right.

456
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Speaker 8: And the thing about Booker is that he reminds us

457
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Speaker 8: that you have to start from somewhere, you have to

458
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Speaker 8: build momentum and build the conversation from somewhere. And he's

459
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Speaker 8: obviously a person who is trying to start and build

460
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Speaker 8: that momentum that sure will not have an immediate effect today,

461
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Speaker 8: but it's how we build forward. We're too much of

462
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Speaker 8: a nation of front runners, right, We're too much of

463
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Speaker 8: a nation of like if we didn't win, if we

464
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Speaker 8: can't win tomorrow, then it wasn't worth it. No, No,

465
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Speaker 8: it's building towards winning is actually what the work is

466
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Speaker 8: that we have to do right now.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate what you're what you're saying, Ellie. I've

468
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Speaker 3: watched that.

469
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Speaker 1: Portion of Corey's closing five times and every time I

470
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Speaker 1: get chills, and every time I'm ready to cry. And

471
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Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind is like, why

472
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Speaker 1: he ain't challenging Chuck Schumer like, what what's good? I

473
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Speaker 1: will tell you too. I was looking at your introduction.

474
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Speaker 1: I have not read this book yet, Ellie, and I'm sorry.

475
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Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. I'm very excited about actually,

476
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Speaker 1: but it's remarkable to me that what Corey kept referencing

477
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Speaker 1: on the floor is that he was trying to beat

478
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Speaker 1: the man that was trying to ensure that he would

479
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Speaker 1: never be able to stand on the floor of the

480
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Speaker 1: Senate floor. And it's this is about something so much bigger.

481
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Speaker 1: There's another segregationist that is ever present now, sign in

482
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Speaker 1: executive orders every single day. And one of the things

483
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Speaker 1: that you say in here is, if it were up

484
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Speaker 1: to me, I treat every law passed before nineteen sixty

485
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Speaker 1: five as presumptively unconstitutional. And I think that that is

486
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Speaker 1: such a great point, and it would be a great

487
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Speaker 1: starting point if only we had some white allies in

488
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Speaker 1: the House and the Senate that could understand that, if

489
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Speaker 1: only we had judges on the courts at the federal

490
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Speaker 1: level who could understand that, that can understand that we've

491
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Speaker 1: been operating at a deficit. And even though we just

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Speaker 1: celebrated or commemorated really bloody Sunday, the sixtieth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday this year later this year, the Voting Rights

494
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Speaker 1: Act of nineteen sixty five. We still are not free,

495
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Speaker 1: and they're dialing back these laws every single day. In fact,

496
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, while folks are celebrating the victory of the

497
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, they also constitutionally it's not a state

498
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Speaker 1: constitution mandate for voter ID, which means it can't be

499
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Speaker 1: challenged anymore. What is the path forward to us deciding

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Speaker 1: that all of these laws are unconstitutional where they are

501
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Speaker 1: steady using them as building blocks for how to oppress

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Speaker 1: us further in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 8: Five, you gotta get democrats and as you say, white

504
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Speaker 8: allies and black allies ready to fight, like ready to

505
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Speaker 8: understand the need to repeal these laws. That's why I

506
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Speaker 8: wrote the book, and ready to basically not give these

507
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Speaker 8: laws nearly as much credit. If all you've got for

508
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Speaker 8: why we should do X versus Y is that an

509
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Speaker 8: all white man said so in nineteen twenty one, you

510
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Speaker 8: can miss me with that, right, that is not a

511
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Speaker 8: winning argument to me. You have to give me a

512
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Speaker 8: present day reason for why your idea or your law

513
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Speaker 8: should exist that we used to do it that way.

514
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Speaker 8: That's not an argument that the slavers really wanted it

515
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Speaker 8: that way. That's not an argument. I don't care what

516
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Speaker 8: the slavers wanted. But one of the things that I

517
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Speaker 8: believe we have a problem with as a country, as

518
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Speaker 8: a party, and sometimes as a people, is that we

519
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Speaker 8: accept the bad note right, we accept we accept the

520
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Speaker 8: bad as like there, well, there's nothing we can do

521
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Speaker 8: about the past. We can only look forward to the future. Now, No,

522
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 8: we can do some things about the past, at least

523
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Speaker 8: the parts of the past that are still like reaching

524
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Speaker 8: their hands out to grab us and hold us back. Now, no,

525
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Speaker 8: we can do something about that, right, And that's kind

526
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Speaker 8: of what I try to refocus and reform the debate around,

527
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Speaker 8: like these things in the past that still affect us

528
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Speaker 8: today are things from the past that still need to

529
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Speaker 8: be stamped out and fight and fought. And it's not

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Speaker 8: enough to just do the back and forth of comedy

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Speaker 8: of like, oh, well, this is how we always did it,

532
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Speaker 8: so it's how we're gonna continue doing enough, miss me,

533
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Speaker 8: with that, I don't.

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Speaker 6: I think you're doing some much much deeper than that,

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Speaker 6: And that is and I'd like you to give us

536
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Speaker 6: some guidance and the listeners some guidance on this is

537
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 6: we're almost always operating from the place where the table

538
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Speaker 6: is already set right, where we're not adding anything new

539
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Speaker 6: to the table. We are barely taking anything off. If anything,

540
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Speaker 6: we're just mending the glass that broke on the table.

541
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Speaker 6: But we are all accepting what came before. And I

542
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Speaker 6: think in thinking about getting rid of a whole set

543
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Speaker 6: of laws that pre existed a date, you are tapping

544
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Speaker 6: into your imagination. You are deepening into what it is

545
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: to if we had a blank sheet of paper, then

546
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Speaker 6: you just start writing from the blank spot. And I

547
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Speaker 6: like to know where do you give yourself permission? And

548
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Speaker 6: then how do we give others permission to think about

549
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 6: just society in general, wherever we are at our local level,

550
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Speaker 6: at our county's, state, national level, how do we how

551
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Speaker 6: do we begin the process of decoupling ourselves from a

552
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Speaker 6: commitment to what has been to really affirmatively saying, you

553
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Speaker 6: know what, man, if I could dream this the shit I.

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Speaker 8: Do, this is what should be right, This is what

555
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Speaker 8: should be part of So I have two answers to

556
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Speaker 8: that question. One, I didn't come up with this. I

557
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Speaker 8: learned this by watching South Africa, right, because South Africa

558
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 8: had a racist, horrible bore constitution. Right, and when they

559
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 8: got free, you know, Mendela is free and Matt Damon

560
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 8: wins a rugby game and like all this stuff is

561
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Speaker 8: going on, Right, what did South Africa do. Did they

562
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Speaker 8: just go say, like, oh, our old racist constitution, We're

563
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Speaker 8: just gonna make some amendments and you know, change some

564
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Speaker 8: of the terms and now we're good. No, they were like,

565
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Speaker 8: get that shit out of here, get it just get

566
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Speaker 8: it straight out here, throw it out, the bath, the water,

567
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Speaker 8: the baby, all of it. Throw it out. We're starting again,

568
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Speaker 8: and we're starting again this time asking everybody, not just

569
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Speaker 8: the white folks. Right. South Africa had a whole different

570
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Speaker 8: constitutional convention that included, yes, the majority black population, but

571
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Speaker 8: also whites. Whites were not unrepresented in the New African

572
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Speaker 8: South African Constitutional Congress, right, and they wrote a new

573
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Speaker 8: document which now stands as one of the best written

574
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Speaker 8: constitution in the world. If you ask legal scholars and

575
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Speaker 8: human rights watchers, South Africa has exceeded our constitution because

576
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Speaker 8: they started again from front first principles, right, So that's

577
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Speaker 8: number one. Like, if if you the the idea that

578
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Speaker 8: put like this, the idea that my people were kidnapped, captured,

579
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Speaker 8: brought here and slaved here, got free, but then still

580
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Speaker 8: have to live under the laws as they were understood

581
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Speaker 8: by their enslavers. Nah, that ain't freedom. That ain't freedom.

582
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Speaker 8: That is a different form of capture. Right, you don't

583
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 8: have you can go back throughout history. You don't have

584
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Speaker 8: vikings getting you know, kidnapped by the Romans and then

585
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Speaker 8: getting free and at all. I'm just gonna stay here

586
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Speaker 8: in Rome and live as or No, that's not that's

587
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Speaker 8: not how it happens. Right, So if we're gonna if

588
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 8: we're gonna be free, at some point, we have to

589
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Speaker 8: address the terrible laws and terrible principles of the plast

590
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Speaker 8: as brought to us by our enslavers. Right, So that's

591
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Speaker 8: kind of big picture number one. Number two, Just on

592
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Speaker 8: the ground in the trenches, Never accept the premise of

593
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Speaker 8: the question. Never accept the bad premise of their questions, right,

594
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Speaker 8: Never accept that it that we we just have to

595
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Speaker 8: wait a little bit longer for white folks to get

596
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Speaker 8: an attle bit better. No, no, no, no, Like it's the

597
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Speaker 8: fierce urgency of now that I'm talking about, Right, we

598
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 8: can right now start changing some of these things in

599
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Speaker 8: our first in our local communities, then statewide, and then

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Speaker 8: and then nationally. And again, that's not something that I

601
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Speaker 8: came up with. That is something that I learned from

602
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Speaker 8: watching Republicans, because when Republicans take power, look at how

603
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Speaker 8: they use it. They use it maximally. I made the

604
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Speaker 8: argument that Republicans come into office with that sledgehammer and

605
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Speaker 8: they just smash things. They smash what they don't like,

606
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Speaker 8: they smash what they think is holding them back. Right,

607
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 8: Democrats come into power with super glue and sell it tape,

608
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Speaker 8: and we're gonna duct tape the thoughts back to get

609
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Speaker 8: there and protect the institutions. And that no, and I'm

610
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Speaker 8: trying to talk about, let's come into power if we're

611
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Speaker 8: ever allowed to have it again with a sledgehammer. There

612
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 8: are other things that we need to smash. That's why

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Speaker 8: you'll never hear me really defend institutions. I'm not an

614
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Speaker 8: institutionalist because the institutions most of the time are shitty,

615
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Speaker 8: especially to me. Trump is taking a piss all over

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Speaker 8: the FBI. You don't hear me saying like we need

617
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Speaker 8: to restore the FBI. Nah, the FBI. I don't think

618
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Speaker 8: that we should take it down the way Trump is

619
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Speaker 8: taking it down. I don't think that we should politicize

620
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Speaker 8: it and turn it into truly a secret police the

621
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Speaker 8: way Trump and Cash Pattel want to do it. But

622
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Speaker 8: I don't think that what we really need to do

623
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Speaker 8: is just go back to the way the FBI worked

624
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Speaker 8: when it was I don't know, not investigating Brett Cabinack. No,

625
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Speaker 8: I don't think that FBI was any goddamn better, right,

626
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 8: No need to. We need to fix and reform the FBI.

627
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Speaker 8: But I'm not gonna defend the in of the FBI.

628
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to defend any institution. I'm not going

629
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Speaker 8: to defend the institution of the filibuster. Are you kidding me?

630
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Speaker 8: That's terrible, I hope, and one of the reasons why

631
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Speaker 8: I was pissed at Placard Gate. I want the Republicans

632
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 8: to right now be forced to break the filibuster. I

633
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 8: want them to have to break the filibuster in order

634
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Speaker 8: to get their horrible agenda through because it's clear to

635
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Speaker 8: me that only Republicans have the stones to do it.

636
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 8: Democrats will never have the stones to do it unless

637
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 8: Republicans do it first. So I want Republicans to break

638
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 8: that so then if we ever get power again, we

639
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 8: can break it.

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Speaker 4: Right there, Ellie, I want to talk about some of

641
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Speaker 4: the things that you write in your book, because one

642
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Speaker 4: I could listen to you and Andrew talk because Andrew,

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Speaker 4: I would argue as our resident institutionalist, so and then

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Speaker 4: he has these very eloquent questions that he asked you.

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Speaker 4: But some of the things. One thing that I loved

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Speaker 4: about your book is I go to law school, you know,

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Speaker 4: and so.

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Speaker 3: I typically, well, typically, hey.

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Speaker 4: I typically ask people who did go to law school

650
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Speaker 4: explain things to me. And Angela and I have a

651
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: friend Albert, and he's always saying, like, read the opinions

652
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: like they're written in a way that they are, you know,

653
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 4: digestible for people who didn't go to law school.

654
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 5: And your book is written that way.

655
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: The intro that Angela is referencing your whole thought process

656
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: about erasing every law before in nineteen sixty five, it

657
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: is written in such a witty way that's funny, but

658
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: also it enrages you and the way that you break

659
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: down these laws. One question you ask, which is your

660
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: chapters are all questions and you say how can you

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: murder someone if you didn't kill anybody? Another chapter is

662
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: how do they fit the Federal budget inside People's wounds?

663
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 5: And it starts you out at.

664
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: These big, big, overarching themes, and then you go into

665
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 4: these stories and your breakdown is so amazing that I

666
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 4: was able to get through this book so quickly, and

667
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: I understood every piece of it. And I have the

668
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: pleasure of knowing you, so I could text you as

669
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 4: I was reading, and it was just so well written.

670
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: I so want to ask this question, but I would

671
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: be stealing it from my brother Andrew. Andrew has such

672
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: a great question that I want to hear your thoughts on,

673
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 4: and he has a very eloquent way of asking these questions.

674
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: But Andrew, I'm curious your thoughts. And I know we're

675
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: gonna do this later as a whole special, But when

676
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: we were talking this morning, you said you wanted to

677
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: get Ellie's thoughts.

678
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: On YO, so set up, set up, and Ellie, I

679
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 6: don't know this.

680
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: I want to hear, but we first have to take

681
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: this break and be right back.

682
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 6: It is, as you probably observed, particularly amongst black academicians,

683
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: black lawyers, even civil rights leaders of the past have

684
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 6: been beginning the opening of this relitigation of Brown v.

685
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 6: Board and whether or not that should have been our fight,

686
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 6: and whether or not the Supreme Court decided rightly or

687
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: should Plessy v. Ferguson still be which is for those

688
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 6: I think all of us know this as shorthand, but

689
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 6: you know, plus to b. Ferguson the decision that basically

690
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 6: says separate but equal, but inherently unequal right. And then

691
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 6: of course the fight became around how it is that

692
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: we have integration and equality by virtue of basically the

693
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 6: mixing of of of the races in our in our

694
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 6: public education system. And I'm just I don't know if

695
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: you've entered that that fray of conversation and whether some

696
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 6: of this feels a little sacrilegious even to me. I

697
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: got to tell you to because I'm so faithful to

698
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 6: the work that was done there. But it did beg

699
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 6: the question as we as we ask. I talked to

700
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 6: some the old heads that I know who live around,

701
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 6: who are in my family, and there's some real striking

702
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 6: divergent opinions about whether or not we should have kept

703
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 6: us or if integration was a right fight to be had.

704
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have weighed into this a little bit because

705
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 8: I also know Michael Harriet, and so you can't know

706
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 8: having to form an opinion about this. So the first

707
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 8: thing I want to say about integration and Brown v.

708
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 8: Bordived specifically as a legal case, was that you have

709
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 8: to remember that the black people push pushing, not just

710
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 8: Brown v. Bordived, but all of the other associated integration cases.

711
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 8: We're not asking for integration. We were asking for our

712
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 8: money back, right. Brown v. Bordived is the top line case.

713
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 8: But there was another case in South Carolina that was

714
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 8: consolidated into the same case about integration, and what they

715
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 8: we were asking for was not coequal black and white schools.

716
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 8: They were asking for a bus so that black students

717
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 8: could get busted to their black school as opposed to

718
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 8: to having to walk eight miles literally in the rain

719
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 8: and swamps of North Carolina, when the white kids had

720
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 8: ten buses. Give us one. We paid taxes, Give us

721
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 8: a bus for our kids. That was what they were

722
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 8: asking for, not to go to the white school, but

723
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 8: to have the opportunity to make the black school as

724
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 8: best and accessible as it could be with the taxpayer

725
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 8: money that the whites were already extracting from our community.

726
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 8: And the answer from the Supreme Court was not give

727
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 8: blacks the money that they have put into the system.

728
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 8: It was throw them into the white schools, and then

729
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 8: they can't bitch anymore, right, which is an answer, right,

730
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 8: But the actual ask was give us our money back.

731
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 8: And you see this happen all the time in litigation

732
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 8: around black issues, where we're asking for one thing, and

733
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 8: even when we win, the court doesn't give us what

734
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 8: we ask for, they give us something else. They give

735
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 8: us what they think is the most beneficial for white people,

736
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 8: even when they agree with our point, to say nothing

737
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 8: of what happens when they disagree with our point. Right,

738
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 8: So on that kind of thirty thousand foot look at integration,

739
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 8: Always remember the quest for integration was not the quest

740
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 8: to have the opportunity to eat lunch with Chip Harrington.

741
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 8: The second. I don't give a damn about Chip. I

742
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 8: don't want I don't need to, I don't need to

743
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 8: hang out with Chip. I want the money. I want

744
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 8: the money that our people have put into the system

745
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 8: to come back out to our people at the equivalent rate.

746
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 8: And that is what white people have always denied us, Right,

747
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 8: That's number one number two on the kind of social

748
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 8: questions of integration. I grew up an I am an

749
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 8: integrated man, right. I went to phrenominantly white school. I

750
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 8: was the only black kid and most of my schools

751
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 8: and most of my classrooms, and that was difficult, right

752
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 8: that that has scarring, psychological scarring, other scarring. I know

753
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 8: Pearl Jam's lyrics better than I know nass right, like

754
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 8: this just it's I do I can. I can sing

755
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 8: you a Pearl Jam song right now at the.

756
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 6: Time to give me some Tom petty, Tom petty.

757
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 10: She grew up in Indiana Town and a good look

758
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 10: at mama who never was around, like I can do

759
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 10: them all right because I went to white schools and

760
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 10: that's just how I'm gonna roll right right, So that's scarring,

761
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 10: like never never goes away.

762
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 8: I do believe the integration was great for white folks

763
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 8: because the Chris Rock has this great joke. All black

764
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 8: people can do is wait for better white folks to

765
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 8: show up. The white folks right now a little bit

766
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 8: better than the white folks one hundred years ago. Hopefully

767
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 8: in a hundred years there'll be some even better white folks. Right.

768
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 8: That's like, that's.

769
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 11: That's about right on the movie like You Got It,

770
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 11: Like integration, I provided value to the white folks who

771
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 11: met me right throughout all of my education, right, I

772
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 11: was doing double duty.

773
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 8: I was educating myself, but I was also educating them.

774
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 8: And now those white people are better off for having

775
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 8: met me. Their children are better off for having met me.

776
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 8: Their children are better off from having met my kids.

777
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 8: I am a I am an educator of white folks, right,

778
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 8: and that is part of the way that we make

779
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 8: a better generation of white people. So kind of utilitarianly speaking,

780
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 8: I think integration was great for the country. Was it

781
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 8: great for me personally? I don't know. That's hard to say,

782
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 8: because it's hard to then unravel all of the other things.

783
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 8: If integration comes but the money doesn't come, then it

784
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 8: was clearly then segregation was clearly worse for me. In

785
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 8: this kind of Wakanda future where we don't have integration

786
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 8: but we do have all of our money, am I

787
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 8: better or worse off? That's really just hard to say, right,

788
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 8: It's hard to project into some truly at that point

789
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 8: science fiction future where black people receive all the resources

790
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 8: we need and deserve and then live in a separate

791
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 8: society if the white folks ever, But it'd be interesting

792
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 8: to try, right, if the white folks ever wanted to

793
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 8: pay us back, give us our reparations, give us our

794
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: back pay, and then give us the land that we

795
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 8: should have. Right. I don't know how that. I don't

796
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 8: know that we're worse off than you get you want

797
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 8: to get, because you know I was. I'm always like,

798
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 8: you gotta give your reparations. But reparations with that land

799
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 8: means nothing. So we'll take whatever. We'll take New York,

800
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 8: New Jersey, you know, New England. We'll just take all

801
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 8: that y' all can have, Texas or whatever. We'll we'll

802
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 8: take our little enclave, you know, north of Philly, south

803
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 8: of bangor like, let's go give us the money back

804
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 8: and we'll see what we can do. I think we

805
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 8: would thrive in that situation, and I would I would

806
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 8: like to play that out. But you understand, Andrew, that

807
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 8: is a science fiction play. That is not something that's

808
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 8: actually gonna happen, given what white people were actually willing

809
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 8: to do. I think integration is probably the best answer.

810
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you on this, and if we can

811
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: take it to the thirty thousand feet level, for some

812
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: of the more basic among us.

813
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: I will be one of the basics.

814
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there's this remarkable conversation that's

815
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: happening right now about like.

816
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: How we meet the moment?

817
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: What are black people supposed to do for ourselves right now?

818
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: There's a debate about whether or not we should be

819
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: resting or working. You and you already said, like Frederick

820
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Douglass told you, probably through this pick brother, you don't

821
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: get to be tired, right like, so we understand all

822
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: of that, but also we still get questions every week,

823
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Ellie from somebody in our audience.

824
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: It's like, what do we do? Where do we go

825
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: from here?

826
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: What's next? And I know I'm gonna put you in

827
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: you and Tiff on one side of the doom spectrum

828
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: and me and Andrew on the other. But if you were

829
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: tapping into the hope that comes from the ancestors, the

830
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: work that you know that you stand on the fact,

831
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: like the bar today for me is white folks are

832
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: better better.

833
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: Off for having met me. Okay, Like I know, I

834
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: say educate, but I love it. I love it like

835
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 3: I should have reparations for two reasons.

836
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: Now your ass and you work my ass to death,

837
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: Like I get it, and I just would like to

838
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: ask you in this what is the thing that would

839
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: make you feel hopeful, even if you.

840
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: Don't see it right now? What is the thing?

841
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 12: Like?

842
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: We know there's bad law, where's the good law coming from? Ellie?

843
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: We know that you know that we have to fight back,

844
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: that that is our most reasonable service. But what does

845
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: it look like to get to the point where we

846
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: can rest? What is that? What is that verse version

847
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: of America? Are you just like Jeremiah right, goddamn America?

848
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 8: Like, where are we at?

849
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: Where are we at?

850
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 8: Where we at the version of America where we can rest?

851
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 8: I don't that that's that's too hopeful for me.

852
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 12: I don't want to.

853
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 9: Hear.

854
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 8: I don't see the version where we can rest. And

855
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 8: it's partially you know again, I have children, and uh

856
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 8: so I want to I want to I want to

857
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 8: answer this question this way. So my mother was born

858
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 8: in nineteen fifty in Mississippi, segregated South black woman you know,

859
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 8: has horrible stories about having going her father. I'm a

860
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 8: quarter of Chinese. Her father was Chinese, and so in

861
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 8: the South the Chinese uh men got to be treated

862
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 8: like half white. So there were, so my mom couldn't

863
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 8: go to the one library in her town, but her

864
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 8: dad could go in. And so she's got horrible stories

865
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 8: about kind of waiting on the steps of the library

866
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 8: waiting for her dad to check out books for her

867
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 8: while she's sitting on the steps, and the white people

868
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 8: walking by here just calling her everything the son of God, saying,

869
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 8: you know you can't go there, you know you can't

870
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 8: go in there. She's like, I'm literally on the step right,

871
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 8: so that's where she starts, right, and then I show

872
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 8: up and I do whatever I do. I you know,

873
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 8: Barack Obama gets elected and she's like, we won, We won,

874
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 8: and she's so happy. And then we start losing, and

875
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 8: then we start losing and losing and losing. I can

876
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 8: see it just wearing on her face and her soul.

877
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 8: And she says to me, in twenty seventeen, right, so

878
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 8: not even the second eruption of racial violence. In twenty seventeen,

879
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 8: She's like, I cannot believe that my grandkids are gonna

880
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 8: have to fight the same battles that I fought. You

881
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 8: couldn't have told me in the sixties and the seventies

882
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 8: that my grandkids were gonna have to fight the same

883
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 8: battles that I fought as a gen X black person.

884
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 8: I realized that I grew up in a bubble, in

885
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 8: a time bubble, in a warped bubble where, for a

886
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 8: brief moment, this country was actually interested in moving forward,

887
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 8: This country was actually interested in integration, in justice, in fairness.

888
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 8: That was a bubble. That wasn't what my mom grew

889
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 8: up with, and it's not what my children are gonna

890
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 8: grow up with. Right And so when you say, like

891
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 8: this point where we can rest now, we can never

892
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 8: rest because they will always try to take it from us.

893
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 8: You know, one of the things that I have learned

894
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 8: for sure about white folks in this country is that

895
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 8: they never take a loss as a defeat. They never

896
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 8: take a loss as the end of the story. They

897
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 8: don't retreat, They reload, and they will come. If we

898
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 8: win a RTE today, white folks will be at the

899
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 8: door trying to take it away tomorrow. So there is

900
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 8: no rest, no never rest, because they will always try

901
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 8: to get it. That said, what would make me feel

902
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 8: like we are winning or that we're winning more than

903
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 8: we're losing. Well, first of all, you'll see why I'm

904
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 8: stopping for a second. A lot of these boomers are

905
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 8: gonna die soon, right, like some of this dead hand

906
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 8: control that we have right now, like they are dying

907
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 8: off at this point. My generation gen X has failed.

908
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 8: As a generation, gen X has failed, and we need

909
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 8: to own our failure. We had an opportunity to push

910
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 8: the ball forward as a generation. We failed. But the

911
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 8: millennials haven't failed yet. Gen Z hasn't failed yet, and

912
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 8: I don't think they're gonna fail, right. So what gives

913
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 8: me hope is when I see younger people taking up

914
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 8: the mantle and pushing that rock forward. And every time

915
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 8: I go into one of these rooms, and you know, Angela,

916
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 8: you you got you guys know the rooms that I'm

917
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 8: talking about, right, We're in rooms where really old people.

918
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 8: We're in rooms where like I'm one of the youngest

919
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 8: people in there, and I should not be the youngest

920
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 8: people in any goddamn leadership room.

921
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: Are we at the damn kids table?

922
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 13: You know?

923
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: Anyway?

924
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 8: And one of the things that I say in these

925
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 8: rooms is that we the old heads, need to get

926
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 8: out the way and let the kids lead. They will

927
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 8: make mistakes, they will not get it entirely right, But

928
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 8: you know I'm a dad. I show up at the

929
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 8: game with orange slices, right. I don't show up in

930
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 8: the game to play, right. I'm not trying to score

931
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 8: the winning goal or score the time. I'm trying to

932
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 8: bring the kids out for pizza afterwards, right, Because I

933
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 8: have things now that they don't have, like a mortgage

934
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 8: I've gotten, right, I've got disposable income, and you know,

935
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 8: and if they want to access some of my wisdom

936
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 8: or experience while I'm funding them in whatever ways that

937
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 8: I can and helping them in whatever ways that I can,

938
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 8: that's great. But I don't get to lead it because

939
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 8: my generation had a chance to lead it and we

940
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 8: screwed it up. So what will give me hope and

941
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 8: what makes me feel better is when I see these

942
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 8: young people out there doing what they're doing the Justinson Tennessee, right, like, like,

943
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 8: those are the guys that are our future. You know,

944
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 8: we I am already part of the past, and my

945
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 8: charge is to simply help the younger generation fight battles

946
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 8: that my generation fought and lost, but my mother's generation

947
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 8: fought and won.

948
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 5: Hmm, I got goose listening to Ellie.

949
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 4: I just want they never take a loss as at

950
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: after it when we look at what's happening throughout history.

951
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 4: That is that's so accurate. I just want to make

952
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: a quick reference Angela. You talked about meeting the moment,

953
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: and I just want to say, Angela wrote a substack

954
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: on the five ways to meet the moment. I think

955
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: I got it right, Yes, the five ways to meet

956
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 4: the moment to meet. Yeah, so you all can subscribe

957
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: to her substack to get that. But Ellie, you are

958
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I really got goosebumps off that. And it's

959
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: something for us all to consider that white folks never

960
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: take a loss as a defeat.

961
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 5: If that is the case, then how do we move forward?

962
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: And I would also say that Ellie is more on

963
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: the side of Angela and Andrew like you are hopeful.

964
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful about this moment.

965
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 8: Oh, because we can beat them, just because because we

966
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 8: beat them before.

967
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Specific Yeah, we want to know, Eli asked, and what

968
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: you talk about. Yes, tell us how we never have

969
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: to accept the losses of defeat.

970
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: Tell me that.

971
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 8: Again, we don't come from a defeated people. We organize it, right,

972
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 8: We organized, we activate. Look, I am very focused on

973
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty six primary. I don't think we're gonna

974
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 8: have a free and fair election all right in twenty

975
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 8: twenties in the near term, right, I think it's gonna

976
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 8: be one of those things where like Trump when he

977
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 8: runs again in twenty twenty eight, says I won with

978
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 8: nine to six percent of the vote, like he's a

979
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 8: war lord in you know, a country that the Avengers

980
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 8: have to go fight in Segovia or whatever. But we're

981
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 8: gonna have a free and fair Democratic primary in twenty

982
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 8: twenty six. For that's that's gonna be free, that's gonna

983
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 8: be fair. And that is what I'm laser focused on

984
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 8: because I think about the Tea Party, Right, how did

985
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 8: the Tea Party announce itself to the world as a

986
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 8: force to be reckoned with in this country by being

987
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 8: a Democrat?

988
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 6: Nah?

989
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 8: Protest Nah. They took out Eric Cant, They took out

990
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 8: a young, up and coming Republican leader in Virginia, and

991
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 8: they took him out and they lost the seat. They

992
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 8: put up a crazy Republican and the Republican got swamped

993
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 8: in Virginia, which is now pretty much a blue state.

994
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 8: They lost the seat, but they told other Republicans, you're

995
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 8: gonna play ball with us. The Tea Party, and we're

996
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 8: not doing the centrist moderate bull crap like Eric Canter.

997
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 8: Twenty twenty five is our opportunity to do that for

998
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 8: our side. Twenty twenty five is our opportunity to go

999
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 8: out and tell some of these Democrats you're not getting

1000
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 8: through the primary process if you don't play to our

1001
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 8: issues and fight the way that we know that we

1002
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 8: need to fight, and we might lose a seat. We

1003
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 8: might lose two seats right if we elect if we

1004
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 8: primary out moderate centrists, meleiemouthed Democrats and replace them with

1005
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 8: actual fighters. But that would be okay because that would

1006
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 8: announce to the rest of the party coming into the

1007
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 8: twenty twenty eight cycle. Y'all better not come weak. You

1008
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 8: go hard in the paint, or you don't come in

1009
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 8: here at all. And that is what I am focused

1010
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 8: on right now, and it's something that I think everybody

1011
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 8: can do right now to start to change the course

1012
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 8: of this nation. And the other thing we say it,

1013
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 8: people like us say it all the time, and I

1014
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 8: just I really don't think people understand how important it

1015
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 8: is to actually call your representatives, to actually show up

1016
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 8: at their town halls and bitch and moan and scream

1017
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 8: and bring signs and throw tomatoes and do all the

1018
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 8: things like that actually works. Politicians generally are not the

1019
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 8: most courageous people.

1020
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 6: In the world, am all right.

1021
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 8: They are people with their finger in the wind trying

1022
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 8: to figure out which way it's blowing. They're people who

1023
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 8: see a parade marching down the street and run ahead

1024
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 8: to leave the parade because they want to be a leader,

1025
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 8: but they're not actually leaving the movement. So when you

1026
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 8: flood these people with your voice, with your activism, with

1027
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 8: your energy, they listen. My dad was a local politician,

1028
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 8: and lord knows, I saw him take some weird positions

1029
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 8: when his inbox got filled up. I heard him say

1030
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 8: some things I didn't think I was ever going to

1031
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 8: hear him say when that answering machine couldn't accept no

1032
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 8: more calls.

1033
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 3: You about all right, y'all, we gotta pay some bills.

1034
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

1035
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 8: No.

1036
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 6: I said this to Angela that we were talking one weekend,

1037
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 6: and I said, you know, you know, politicians are are

1038
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 6: some of the most you know, sort of leaderless. They're

1039
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 6: not the most courageous bunch. And you got silent on

1040
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 6: the other end of the phone. And because at this

1041
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 6: point we were talking about national politics, and I said,

1042
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 6: we just they just they're followers in so many ways. Yes,

1043
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 6: there's the there's the finger up, and then there's of

1044
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 6: course the entrenchment of these polls. All the polls are

1045
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 6: saying D D. And I'm like, I'm sorry, when do

1046
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 6: we When do we stop reading the polls and start

1047
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 6: shaping them? Isn't that's what leadership is supposed to be?

1048
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 6: But shouldn't you be here telling me another way of thinking,

1049
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 6: of doing, of being and see if I could subscribe

1050
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 6: to that perspective, and then so doing we start to

1051
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 6: lead and then shape how other people believe and feel

1052
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 6: about it. Ellie, I really thought.

1053
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 8: On this show right now, everybody on this show right

1054
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 8: now is one to get fired from a job. You've

1055
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 8: been there, right, has been fired from a job, has

1056
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 8: been has stood ten toes down, and then like, oh,

1057
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 8: you're going to have to fire my ass because I'm

1058
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 8: not going to do that thing you want me to do. Right,

1059
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 8: That's what there are so few politicians like that. Politicians

1060
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 8: don't want to get fired from no job. And I

1061
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 8: do think that that is one of the that is

1062
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 8: why they need outside pressure, because the thing that they

1063
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 8: are scared about. I've met politicians, congress people, Senator I

1064
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 8: think who has never been fired from a job. And

1065
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 8: let me just tell you, if you ain't never been fired,

1066
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 8: I don't trust your ass. I'm sorry. If you ain't

1067
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 8: never been fired, I do not trust you, because that

1068
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 8: means at some point, at some point, some boss has

1069
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 8: been willing to say something, and you've been going to

1070
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 8: say yes, And I'm like, no, no, no, I've been

1071
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 8: fired for so many jobs, right, because that's the only

1072
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 8: way I know how to beat Yeah, So sorry, I

1073
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 8: cut you off, Andrew, No, because this is where the.

1074
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 6: Question was going for you, which is a lot of

1075
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 6: us have seen a sort of collapse at the whole

1076
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 6: checks and balance system, certainly as a relates to the

1077
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 6: Congress and the executive And given your familiarity with the

1078
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 6: courts and your your your life's work has required navigating

1079
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 6: through them, I'm just curious whether or not you feel

1080
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 6: like they're going to hold, Like, is anyone coming to

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Speaker 6: save us?

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Speaker 8: Is anyone?

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Speaker 6: Is it gonna be? Is the court stop qu as

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Speaker 6: obviously through the democratic process and protests, but we have

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Speaker 6: life cycles to that. It's the next election before we

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Speaker 6: know the verdict, it's the next you know, so on

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Speaker 6: and so forth. So in the meantime between time, what

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 6: do you is it fair for Is it a failed

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Speaker 6: hope for people to say this thing might get the

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Speaker 6: courts may catch it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. No, the courts are not a stop sign. It's

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Speaker 8: a they're a turnstyle, all right. The way that I've

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Speaker 8: written about this in the Nation, and I'll put it

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Speaker 8: very simply, there are things that that Donald Trump has

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Speaker 8: the physical power to do. Right. He physically controls the military,

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Speaker 8: He physically controls the paramilitary, the secret police, all of

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Speaker 8: his forces. He physically controls the money. On issues where

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump is in physical control, John Roberts will fold

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Speaker 8: like a cheap chair. He will not. John Roberts does

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Speaker 8: not want a confrontation with Donald Trump on the law

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Speaker 8: because Roberts is pretty sure that Donald Trump will ignore

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Speaker 8: a Supreme Court order and do what he wants anyway.

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Speaker 8: And there's nothing that makes the Supreme Court look worse,

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Speaker 8: there's nothing that makes it look more effeckless than having

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Speaker 8: a powerful executive ignore one of their orders. So John

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Speaker 8: Roberts will try to avoid that one on one confrontation

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Speaker 8: with Trump. With Trump, you know, courts versus the executive

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Speaker 8: And so when on issues where Trump has all of

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Speaker 8: the power, Roberts is going to cave. He'll might wag

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Speaker 8: his finger and be like, I don't like the process

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Speaker 8: you used, right, he might bump it back, remand it

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Speaker 8: they'll call it back to a lower court, basically to

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Speaker 8: give Trump a second, third, fourth bite at the apple.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly, by the way, what he did with the

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Speaker 8: Muslim band. If you remember, Trump lost the first two

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Speaker 8: Muslim bands cases, but never forever, because again, they don't retreat,

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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 8: they just reload. Roberts was like, try it again, try

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Speaker 8: it again, and eventually Trump got it right and got

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Speaker 8: his Muslim band. That's how Roberts will deal with issues

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Speaker 8: where Trump has all the power. On issues where Trump

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Speaker 8: doesn't have all of the power, where he can't do

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Speaker 8: what he wants to do unless state and local officials

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Speaker 8: follow his rules, Roberts and the Supreme Court might push

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Speaker 8: back a little bit there. Right, So, I think about

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Speaker 8: some of these lawsuits against sanctuary cities, against you know,

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Speaker 8: New York State or whatever with congestion pricing, where Trump

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Speaker 8: can't force hulkl to do what Trump wants her to

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Speaker 8: do unless the Supreme Court agrees. If the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: sides with Hchel, Hulko's gonna stand, you know, two fingers

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Speaker 8: up and be like, what come on, bro? And if

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Speaker 8: Trump wants to stop that, he's gonna have to put

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Speaker 8: troops on the GW right. So like, on those issues,

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Speaker 8: I think Roberts might stand up. But on these issues

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 8: of like can he abduct people off the street and

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Speaker 8: send them away for writing newspaper articles, Roberts is gonna

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Speaker 8: say he can. He might not say that dire, but

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Speaker 8: he's not gonna stop him. Does Trump have to turn

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Speaker 8: the planes around? You notice you noticed that Roberts went

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Speaker 8: out there and said, like, impeaching judges is bad. He

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 8: didn't say ignoring lower court orders is bad. He said,

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Speaker 8: do the appeals process, bro, who knows, maybe you'll win, sir,

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Speaker 8: That's what he said. So, no, the courts are not

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Speaker 8: coming to save us on these issues where Trump is

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Speaker 8: acting with physical military authority. The rest of the stuff

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Speaker 8: we might get to.

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Speaker 4: So we do have a viewer question. And Andrew has.

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Speaker 8: Some yes my hair is real, that's the sorry, and has.

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Speaker 4: Some secret clip he wants to play. But we're gonna

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Speaker 4: do theiss.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, the breaking The setup of the clip is

1151
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 6: that the breaking news was gonna show Mike Johnson and

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 6: the Republican cloak room secret footage of how he reacted

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Speaker 6: to his his eleven Republicans bucking the system in voting

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Speaker 6: with all the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: I want to see that. I didn't see it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, secret footage. That's tomorrow, and that is it for

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Speaker 6: us today. And we will leave you with a I

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Speaker 6: can't do it, We'll do it live. Okay, we'll do

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Speaker 6: it live.

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Speaker 8: Do it live.

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Speaker 6: I can, I'll write it and we'll do it live.

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Speaker 6: The thing sucks.

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Speaker 10: Four.

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Speaker 6: That's tomorrow, and that is it for us today. I'm Bill, O'Reilly,

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Speaker 6: thanks again for watching. We'll leave you with sting and

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Speaker 6: a cut off his new album Take It Away. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: that was speaker Johnson's.

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Speaker 14: Uh, I know, we'll do it.

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Speaker 6: Lie all right, I'll write it myself.

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Speaker 5: And well we have a real viewer question. I don't

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01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 5: know what the view is. Let's roll that with.

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Speaker 1: Andrew is a permanent troll on the podcast with something.

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Speaker 15: Native Lampard is BJ Bruneius from New Orleans, Louisiana, and I'm.

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Speaker 13: Gonna tell you I was triggered by.

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Speaker 15: This conversation, and let me tell you why, because I

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 15: don't know no black people who identify as gay before

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Speaker 15: they identify as black.

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Speaker 10: Not one.

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Speaker 13: Straight people are the ones who make a big deal

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 13: out of who we go to bed with. So the

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01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 13: idea that we would identify first with who we sleeping with,

1182
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 13: when who we sleeping with is is how y'all high

1183
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 13: the lens through with y'all view us, not the lens

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 13: through what we view ourselves. So we always black first.

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Speaker 13: I got a problem with black people taking on the

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 13: views of white folk. White folk view marginalized communities gaining

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01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 13: aspects of equality as a zero sum game, meaning that

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01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 13: they got to lose something in order for other people

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Speaker 13: to gain. How did we get to a place where

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Speaker 13: black people feel the exact same way about gay people,

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 13: like for gay people to gain rights means that black

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Speaker 13: people lost something. Andrew, make that make sense to me

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Speaker 13: because I don't get it as a black man.

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 1: Where is Brunie is Brunie is on the show?

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01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 8: Conversation?

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Speaker 1: Excellent? This can Let's make that. Let's replay that, and

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: let's like that our mini pie. We know Ellie actually

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Speaker 1: has to go where.

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Speaker 3: A little.

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Speaker 5: Thoughts on that because that was if.

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Speaker 1: You guys don't mind, if we can do our ct

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: as for this show, and then we'll just stay and

1203
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: let that be.

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Speaker 3: Okay, people want to stay.

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: I okay, okay, So do you guys have ct A

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: s or do we see Andrews.

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Speaker 5: Blow your nose on camera?

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Speaker 3: I told him he does it. I told him he

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01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 3: does this.

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Speaker 8: Any you just said I do?

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Speaker 6: Was the blow that I said, I don't?

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Well we have anyway, I did.

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01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 5: Ane and I talked about this.

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Speaker 4: I don't like when people call there a dinner napkins grow.

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 8: Where are you supposed to.

1216
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 3: The bathroom?

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01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 8: I gonna get all the way up and go all

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Speaker 8: the way to the bathroom.

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Speaker 6: Book get out of here. Maybe that out of be

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 6: the many no no, you little tissue boxes way way

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 6: answer that the bathroom always bat that is not at table.

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Speaker 8: I got, I got ishoe boxes.

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Speaker 6: I go tissues and win just in everything, Angela, keep living.

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Speaker 4: Okay, living my mom, Okay, my c I'll be quick.

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Speaker 4: I got any quick ones. Yes, my c t A is,

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Speaker 4: please do not blow your nose at a dinner table

1227
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 4: like that is like we even go if I do

1228
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 4: want to vomit, if I hear somebody clearing their nostrils

1229
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 4: while I'm eating, I don't like it. And to my

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Speaker 4: second CTA is just for Ellie who wrote this brilliant book,

1231
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Speaker 4: and I hope everybody buys bad laws and popular laws

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Speaker 4: that are ruining America. While Angela and Andrew are giving

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Speaker 4: their CTAs, I would like to request of you. You

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Speaker 4: mentioned that you have two kids, but you actually have three,

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Speaker 4: and I think our viewers, I know the listeners won't

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Speaker 4: be able to, but.

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Speaker 5: Our viewers would like to see your youngest.

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Speaker 6: One to see please.

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Speaker 5: I saw him in the beginning of the show.

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Speaker 4: It's Cassandra hert Thank you, Andrew, and I do know

1241
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:42,959
Speaker 4: that she is not schizophrenic.

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Speaker 5: So Cassandra, oh my.

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Speaker 12: God, not not a cad again, like, why are we here?

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Speaker 3: You got Helly? Calm down? This is Elly's this.

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Speaker 8: Is what this is my animal, you know, because the

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01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 8: thing about dogs that are really awesome is that, sorry,

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 8: the thing about dogs that are so awesome is that

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 8: they don't give a ship I come home. She doesn't.

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 8: She's not like, oh my god, did you see what

1250
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 8: Trump did? She doesn't care.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, how long have you been gone?

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01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 8: Do you have any food? That's what I would like to.

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Speaker 3: Know, rub my belly.

1254
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 8: Can I do a call to action besides please God?

1255
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 8: So obviously first, like by my buckets, also available on

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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 8: ad on Audible in case you like to hear me

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 8: screaming at you. But the second call is absolutely, especially

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Speaker 8: based on the conversation that we've had today. Don't give up.

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Speaker 8: Don't give up these people historic I say all the time,

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Speaker 8: we are living in a fascist state. But let's remember,

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 8: fascist state don't last very long because they always overplay

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01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 8: their hand. They always always overplay their hand. So don't

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 8: give up right now, don't don't turn in, turnout, and

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Speaker 8: and that's how we're gonna get through it.

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Speaker 16: Andrew, No, I mean a salute, by the way, to

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Speaker 16: all those voters who came out in this last week

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Speaker 16: and show their might, their power, their strength, because we're

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Speaker 16: also beating back the.

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Speaker 6: Other side by winning at the ballot box and in

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Speaker 6: places where we have an outright one. We have shrunk

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Speaker 6: the margins in the very least by one half of

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Speaker 6: what they were previously in support of the of the

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Speaker 6: Republican Party. So day after day, you know, act after act,

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Speaker 6: step after step, we're shredding.

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Speaker 1: Them I'm gonna take from Ellie tiff is normally our

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Speaker 1: resident plagiarist.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to do that today.

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Speaker 1: They never take a loss as a defeat, and I

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Speaker 1: love that so much because I do think that that

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: can become our own mantra, that we never have to

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01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: take a loss as a defeat. We may lose the

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: battle today, but we can certainly still win the war.

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Speaker 3: And on that we have launched the.

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Speaker 1: State of the People Power Tour, we hope that you

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Speaker 1: all will consider joining us. I'm going to ask my

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01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: podcast co host to go on the road with us

1287
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: and see if we can't do some shows while we're

1288
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Speaker 1: moving around encouraging people and being in solidarity with other podcasts.

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Speaker 3: We can have a coalition based podcast.

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Speaker 1: But we want to make sure no matter what we're doing,

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Speaker 1: that we are finding our hands to do something. We

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Speaker 1: were on the Win with Black Women Call on Sunday

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Speaker 1: and Dwana Thompson, who runs Woke Vote, was saying how

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Speaker 1: after the election something broken her. And she was saying

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Speaker 1: how being together and working on this project, the Power Tour,

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Speaker 1: which launches in Atlanta on April twenty sixth, has reignited

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Speaker 1: something in her and I got to tell you all

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Speaker 1: there being lolo or talking to each other all the

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Speaker 1: time about go to.

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Speaker 3: Bed, you go to bed, you go to bed, you

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Speaker 3: go to bed, you gotta go to bed.

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Speaker 1: But we are energized by what's happening, and there's something

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Speaker 1: about not giving up in this moment that does feel

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Speaker 1: spiritual lity. And so I'm so grateful that you said

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Speaker 1: that that we get to stand on the shoulders of

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Speaker 1: our ancestors who never gave up because they believed in

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Speaker 1: a better future for all of us. So I would

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Speaker 1: just admonish all of you to sign up to lean

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Speaker 1: State of the People at STATEOFTHEPPL dot com. Native Lampad

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Speaker 1: will be present. We can't help but to show up,

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Speaker 1: and so we ask that you all show up with us.

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Speaker 1: Elie O'll be there too. We'll have him yelling on

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Speaker 1: the stage somewhere maybe in a few places, and he'll

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Speaker 1: be slaying these books.

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Speaker 3: Y'all, So make sure you come out show up.

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Speaker 3: And first thousand subscriber.

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Speaker 1: Listen, and so we just want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: we stay in lockstep with you. If there's something you

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Speaker 1: want us to talk about, drop us a line. If

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Speaker 3: Send him in.

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Speaker 1: Also, y'all, we had an amazing question from Bruni as

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Speaker 1: who I was like, as soon as he started talking,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he my cousin. He's a light

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Speaker 1: skinned black man from New Orleans. We're gonna run that

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Speaker 1: thing back in a podcast that Ellie even has to

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Speaker 1: sit in.

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Speaker 3: Elle gotta go, and he's staying for this.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna run that question in our next podcast

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Speaker 1: on why do we move like white people?

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Speaker 3: Y'all, we know.

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Speaker 1: Better than this, But before we get there, As always,

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Speaker 1: New episodes drop Thursday and Friday, with solo pods Monday

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Speaker 1: Off the Cup the other shows on Reason Choice Media network,

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Speaker 1: Native lampod dot com. We are Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gilliam. Thank you Ellie Misstal for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: There are five.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and seventy nine entire days until midterm elections and

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be able to vote until next time.

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Speaker 12: Welcome home, y'all, wet them home.

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Speaker 13: Morning.

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Speaker 2: Please, Thank you for joining the Natives. Attention to what

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Speaker 2: the info and all of the latest rock gulum and

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Speaker 2: cross connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice

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Speaker 2: is cleared. So grateful it took the execute roads. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for serve, defend and protect the truth, even if paint.

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Speaker 6: We're going walking home to all of the Natives.

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Speaker 7: We thank you.

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