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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light. Right here on giant stock Com.

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Speaker 1: John Schmulk pulled the Tina with you. Giants finally finished

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Speaker 1: their fourth preseason game. I think that's the reason Paul's

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Speaker 1: wearing his Giants Patriots super Bowl sharp is. The game

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Speaker 1: last night reminded him a lot of that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Well played football. A lot was at steak and he

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Speaker 1: was locked in on that preseason game number four like

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Speaker 1: no other. Isn't that right, pauled to Tina. I was

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Speaker 1: locked in, but it wasn't a great game. Well, you're

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Speaker 1: always locking You can literally send out Toddlers and Giants

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Speaker 1: jerseys and you'd be locked in. But sloppy football game obviously, Um,

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Speaker 1: Pat Srmer decided not to play any of the starters

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Speaker 1: or any of the guys that are in starters. But

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Speaker 1: you treat like starters like say a bat w Web

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Speaker 1: or Kerry Win. So, by the way, I guess those

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Speaker 1: guys are probably on the final roster. Um Curtis Riley too,

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Speaker 1: by the way, So to me a couple of things

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Speaker 1: you take out of this game. Paul I thought Kylo

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Speaker 1: Letto was okay? Uh, he had been throwing the deep

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Speaker 1: ball a lot better in practice the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: but a couple of times he tried to push the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field outside last night, you know, he

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Speaker 1: got sometimes he those these beautiful hierarch and passes that

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Speaker 1: just dropped in perfectly, there were rainbows exactly right. But

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Speaker 1: he was short on a couple of those last night.

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Speaker 1: The things he can't do when they turned into interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Um my other couple takes Alex Tanney, I thought he

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Speaker 1: looked pretty good. He's got a good enough arm to

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Speaker 1: be a quarterback in the NFL. He can make all

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Speaker 1: the throws. He's a smart guy. He climbed the pocket

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Speaker 1: pretty well. He deserves to be an NFL roster, whether

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Speaker 1: it's here somewhere else. He should be on a roster somewhere. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying that actually for the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I don't understand how a guy who's thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: who was bounced around to a half a dozen organizations

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Speaker 1: over the course of time, most of the time on

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Speaker 1: practice squad. Okay, I don't get that. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: looks like a guy, honestly, and I don't want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, hyperbole and all that stuff, like if he's

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Speaker 1: my backup quarterback, I feel fairly confident he can manage

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Speaker 1: the game and do Okay, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: out in my mind, and I mean not one shred

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Speaker 1: of doubt. He is better than any number three in

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Speaker 1: this league. Honestly, I probably a lot of teams don't

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Speaker 1: keep three, unless maybe Baltimore was the of RG three

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Speaker 1: is their three, but whatever, Yeah, right, I see your point. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's certainly good enough to be a three, and I

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Speaker 1: would say he's probably better than at least the three

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Speaker 1: of the twos. Yeah, I mean I would have to

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Speaker 1: look at the rosters, but yeah, I mean, look, thottom

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Speaker 1: one is a Tanning. He can be a backup quarterback

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Speaker 1: in this league. Um, offensively, nothing else really jumped out

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Speaker 1: to me, nobody really at A towel had a nice touchdown,

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Speaker 1: but then he dropped the pass. Um to me, he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that could be practice squad target. So could

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Speaker 1: Juel Davis, Um maybe Russell Alonza Russell to those are

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Speaker 1: three guys that think those are guys will look at

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Speaker 1: I think for the practice squad. I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: they would like somebody else that gets let go from

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Speaker 1: other team? Who knows Um? And that's the problem. By

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Speaker 1: the way, John, you and I watched these guys every day.

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Speaker 1: We don't know about the other you know, forty or

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Speaker 1: so guys that we're gonna get cut from all the

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Speaker 1: other camps. Uh, do you have anything else on the

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Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. That's all I got, really well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that any of the quote backup offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman necessarily stepped up last night and wowed people to

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Speaker 1: the point where you've got to get them on the

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Speaker 1: fifty three. How about Clif Raymond? Did he do enough

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Speaker 1: as a receiver and a returner to to give him

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Speaker 1: a little boost for you? And we're all gonna give

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Speaker 1: you our fifty three man rosters by the way, So

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna into the roster deal. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to say, as a unit, no one on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line to me, you know who I wasn't thinking

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Speaker 1: of before necessarily stepped into the picture. I'm with you, Um. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: the one guy that obviously has played better than probably

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Speaker 1: was Donte Diano. Was good to see as a nice kid.

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Speaker 1: Um and he played so well in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: camp then he got hurt. He hasn't done a ton

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Speaker 1: since he's been back, but boy, he played a great game. Um,

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Speaker 1: great defense on deep passes, stayed behind the receivers, was

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Speaker 1: The other. He could have had a third interception, but

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Speaker 1: he knew he had safety help. He read the route combinations,

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Speaker 1: get the interception, which to me was the most impressive

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Speaker 1: of them. Is that showed a lot of kind of

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Speaker 1: veteran cornerback savvy and he had one poor miss tackle.

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Speaker 1: He did have one misstatch, to me, was about the

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Speaker 1: only negative that he showed last night. And I think

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Speaker 1: I saw him as a gunner on one punt. Yeah, what,

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Speaker 1: I what? I what I really noticed. And I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this on the radio broadcast last night, and folks, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to understate this because it is critical.

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Speaker 1: Dante Dion is a rather small guy. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: a time and time and time and time again, and

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Speaker 1: if other teams were able to match up a taller

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Speaker 1: to have problems. Well, the two interceptions last night, he

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Speaker 1: was going against the receiver that was the same size

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Speaker 1: enough cover skills that he can defend the pass and

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Speaker 1: he can make a successful defensive play. But if you

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Speaker 1: got a six three guy out there, you're finished. Are

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Speaker 1: You're in a lot of trouble quite frankly, Maybe even

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Speaker 1: a six one guy because he's what he's listed to

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Speaker 1: five nine, he's about five eight what I'm saying, he's

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Speaker 1: listed to five nine. So a six one six two guy,

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Speaker 1: you don't even have to have six four guy could

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Speaker 1: he's he's not super stocky and powerful, he's not slights

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Speaker 1: again under a hundred and seventy pounds, dripping wet, so

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Speaker 1: you know, and he doesn't have Obviously, not only is

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Speaker 1: he is he small, but he doesn't have great length.

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Speaker 1: So if you get like, for example, let me give

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Speaker 1: he could play like a six three six four guy,

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Speaker 1: but he was only too well. Donte Dion would have

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Speaker 1: Donte Dion for having a sensational game last night, but

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Speaker 1: I also think it's important to balance it. And again

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Speaker 1: I think he's on the fifty three. He's on my

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Speaker 1: fifty three. But I think it's fair to say Dante

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Speaker 1: want to single out Louis Harris had a really nice

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Speaker 1: Ones deep and the receiver dropped the pass he did

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Speaker 1: he did again, But yes, he was very active out there.

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Speaker 1: One play where he really gets a negative on the

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Speaker 1: problem with him is he's only five nine too. And

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Speaker 1: that's what Grant Haley is. And and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that mess of the arterback. But the two guys who

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Speaker 1: I I think both of them made the fifty three

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Speaker 1: last night because they both, in my mind, significantly outplayed

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Speaker 1: Grant Haley. Now I want to I'm not gonna give

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Speaker 1: him pass, but I do not believe that deep pass

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Speaker 1: was Grant Haley's fault. I think Andrew Adams should have

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Speaker 1: a single high safety. His man went all the way

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Speaker 1: I thought he should have had help inside there. But again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know the play. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: play was just looking at the tape. That's what I

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Speaker 1: know if it's true or not, so I'm not telling

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Speaker 1: you folks that I know it's Adam's fault. I don't.

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Speaker 1: But it looked like Adams sneaks snuck in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So all right, you're ready to our fifty threes. You

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Speaker 1: could do it, all right, So here's how I want

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Speaker 1: to do this. Let's start offensively, and we're gonna try

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Speaker 1: we'll debate the spots that we have questions about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: makes sense, all right, So let's keep it easy. You

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Speaker 1: have the three quarterbacks, the two draft picks in ELI. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I. By the way, I have twenty four on offense,

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Speaker 1: twenty six on defense, three special teams, so do I.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Paul and I have not compared notes

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Speaker 1: on the way, So so we're going in fresh. We

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Speaker 1: did this separately on purpose. And then I have Jeff

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Speaker 1: Feagles this year too, which I'm sure it is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: He's keeping fifty special games play. He's actually carrying three punters.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. He has some really good trick. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. All right, So the three quarterbacks Manning

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Speaker 1: Webin low Letter, okay, and obviously Webs the two. Lowlett

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Speaker 1: is the three. I'm only keeping four running backs. Keep

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Speaker 1: get the get the special guys out, you know, and

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Speaker 1: obviously Riley Dixon, Zack the ostiology gross House and consider

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Speaker 1: Rosas didn't play last night. Pretty obvious that he's on

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Speaker 1: the roster. All right. Let's so that's that's six six

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Speaker 1: for six. I only have four running backs sort of. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have Barkley, Jonathan Stewart, Way Goldman, and then I

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Speaker 1: have Shane Smith. Oh see, I counted Change Smith as

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Speaker 1: a full back. But if you're going to conclude him

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Speaker 1: with the running backs, I kept Pressley interesting. I don't

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Speaker 1: see where you're gonna find use for a fourth half back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when you're gonna use them. That's why

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Speaker 1: I think you can get one of these younger guys

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Speaker 1: if somebody gets hurt, you bring them up. But I don't, Paul,

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Speaker 1: when's the last time you saw one team use four

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Speaker 1: running backs? A few years ago when the Giants had

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Speaker 1: four guys in and was that a good thing? Um?

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Speaker 1: To explain myself, that's fine. I I think that UM.

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Speaker 1: Shermer has made it very clear he has affection for

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Speaker 1: this guy, and he's also said nice things about Martin

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Speaker 1: and Simmons as well. Has Martin though injured his ankle

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Speaker 1: again last night, I arc candidate and yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: UM Shermer was very high on Pressley when he brought

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Speaker 1: I've got him making it, but very very thin ice

424
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Speaker 1: for him. But yeah, he's on my fifty three at

425
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: the moment I suspect he's gonna get swapped out. But

426
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: if he stays, he stays. And I think the fifth

427
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: cornerback spot and the fourth or fifth safety spot, depending

428
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: how you want to look at it. Um is definitely

429
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: one of those big waiver wire situations for the team.

430
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: So I think we only had three different guys. The

431
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Speaker 1: one one in the secondary, um I Thompson. You had

432
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Speaker 1: uh Adams, right, and then on the offense, UM you

433
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: would Pressley. I had Um. I had the extra receiver

434
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Speaker 1: and the receiver, and that's it pretty much, right, Yeah,

435
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: that's you know. It wasn't that hard, folks. And also

436
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: it really was sharp. And I had one of the

437
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: other receivers too. Yeah. So so so those are the

438
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: three differences. It's not hard. The positions that I struggled

439
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: that I struggled at the end of the wide receiver

440
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: depth chart, and I struggled at the end of the

441
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: defensive backfield depth chart. That's where I sat there yesterday.

442
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: It was like it's him and Han and Heim and

443
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: Halln and I didn't really decide to about a few

444
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: minutes before the show. For me, Um, I will say this,

445
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: until last night, I did not have Pressley, but he

446
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: did enough last night who overtakes uh Martin got hurt

447
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: and Pressley in the last two weeks overcame Simmons for me.

448
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: So so last night's fourth preseason game, in my mind,

449
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: made a difference for Pressley. It made a difference for

450
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: Lewis Harris. He was not on my fifty three until

451
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Speaker 1: last night's game. And I should tell you, by the way,

452
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: Fiegels is secondary, Um, Jenkins, Apple, web Dion, Lewis Harris

453
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: the same as you. And then he had Collins, Riley Gay,

454
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, and Darren Thompson. So that's how he did

455
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Speaker 1: his defense. And he though he's a big Andrew admams Man,

456
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: does not have him on his final fifty three. See

457
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: to me, Thompson is is has gotta be I R.

458
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: It depends he has to be. If he can practice

459
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Speaker 1: in full on Monday, you're good. If you can't, then

460
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: we have to have a conversation. I don't know what

461
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: his injury status. Well can you really wait till one

462
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: day when the cuts have to be in tomorrow? Well

463
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: you should You should know today whether or not he

464
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: could practice. He number. By the way, folks, we should

465
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Speaker 1: tell you. It was on the conference call with the

466
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: media a couple of hours ago, he told us that

467
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: the cuts will be announced tomorrow. He will not be

468
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: announcing any today. He was specifically asked about Darian Thompson

469
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: and simply said he's been unable to get on the field.

470
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: He's got a hamstring problem. Every every situation is different.

471
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: You have to consider it. You can't consider it a negative.

472
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: You can't consider it a positive. It just is what

473
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Speaker 1: it is. The guy is hurt and you have to

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Speaker 1: make a decision. Would it shocked me if they tried

475
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Speaker 1: to put him on injured reserve? It would not. I'm

476
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: guessing for now that And if they do put them

477
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Speaker 1: on engined reserve, then Anams is my next guy out. Okay,

478
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: So that's how I look at it. Done deal, all right?

479
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: If you have some open lines, folks to five on

480
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: three five one three. I want to trade on Twitter?

481
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: What do you want? Who's calling in? Raiders want to

482
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: give you Khalil Mack. Raiders want to give me Kalio Mac.

483
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we're still to talking about

484
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: other teams players. Paul uh Well, I'm not, I'm not.

485
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a a GM. I'm just a pseudo GM

486
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: and and they want they want two bags of footballs

487
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: for Khalil Mack. I think I could do that. Well, yeah,

488
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: let's make the deal. Thank you. Can you do to

489
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: first round picks? Though, by the way, we should mention

490
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: and luckily it's not our contracts, we can actually talk

491
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: about the numbers. How about the Aherrent Tunnel deal today?

492
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: Huh it's a lot of money. Twenty two a year.

493
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's our every penny. That dude is

494
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: the best defensive lineman in football, and I don't think

495
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: it's very close at this point with J. J. Watt's

496
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: injury problems. But boy who, that is an investment. Uh,

497
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Albeit, people always say stop the run first,

498
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: Okay on defense, I understand that, but that is not

499
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: one of the core four foundation positions that you're supposed

500
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: to have to develop a football team. Not a quarterback,

501
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: it's not an end. That's not an offensive tackle, it's

502
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: not a cornerback. According to Football one oh one, defensive

503
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: tackle does not qualify. And yet he just went to

504
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: Fort Knox because it's too easy to double team, and

505
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: that to me is the reason. At edge rusher you

506
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: have to take a guy out of a route in

507
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: order to double team and edge rusher. The double team

508
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. You just got slide the center over.

509
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. There are things you can

510
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: do to bottle him up inside absolutely, and quarterbacks can

511
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: sense that pressure better too, Like if they see the

512
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: guy beat up, they nod theyn't get it of the

513
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: ball because they'll be they'll see it quick. They're not

514
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna get snuck up like you can with the ends.

515
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: This is where also it comes into play as to

516
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: how the team's cap situation is. And when you have

517
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: a cheap quarterback like Golf, and then you don't have,

518
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: outside of Girly, another super duper highly paid player you

519
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: could afford to throw extra cash it up his issition

520
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: that really does not require it. Well, here's the funny thing.

521
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: I think the way they structure the contract, this number

522
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: this year is actually pretty small. But remember they have

523
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. And I was going back and

524
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: forth with a couple on Twitter about this um. You know,

525
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: so I made the point you can always circumvent the

526
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: CAP's not gonna hurt you later on, guys, you always

527
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: have to pay here's the difference. They've got three or

528
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: four guys on one year deals that make a lot

529
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: of money. Domin Consus on a one year deal, LaMarcus

530
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Joiors on a one year franchise deal. And then there's

531
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: one other guy, um, Roger Staffold maybe who's on a

532
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: one year who's got one year left on his deal

533
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: and keep to leaves eleven million dollars next year is

534
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: completely not so no, he's under contract for next year.

535
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: But they could get all that money off the cap

536
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: if they want. None of it's dead, So all of

537
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: that money comes off the cap after this year, which

538
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: is you know, million dollars whatever it is with all

539
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: those guys, so they can they can survive this better

540
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: than I. My initial reaction was the same as yours,

541
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: like boy the rams of putting themselves in a really

542
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: tough spot here moving forward. But they have a lot

543
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: of one year veterans that are going to come off

544
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: after this year because they should even be able to

545
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: pay golf later. The bigger question to me is Marcus

546
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Peters this he's gonna come up soon, and that's a

547
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: guy you're gonna have to show the bank to also,

548
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: Plus they gave all the long term money to Brandon

549
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: Cooks or that they did give They did give you, right,

550
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: they did give Cooks a lot of money. And you

551
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know that golf is going to

552
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: be a problem, but sometimes these quarterbacks, after having a

553
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: couple of really good years, all of a sudden want

554
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: to know where their money is. Luckily, they have him

555
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: on his rookie deal for three more years and then

556
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: they can franchise Amala Kirk Cousins. So they got time.

557
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: They have time, and that they hold the cards. But

558
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he can't make things sticky for them

559
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: like orange juice. Yes, I just fought my head fought.

560
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't even everyone who said that. Everyone was talking

561
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: about after the postgame show. What did you say exactly

562
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: that that that that they thought was so funny? I said,

563
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: And who are you talking to? And what were talking

564
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: talking about? I was talking about Dante Okay, and I

565
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: was saying that when he's matched up against a guy

566
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: of similar size, he can be all over him like

567
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: sticky Orange juice, because he's got cover skills. And it's true,

568
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: it's the bigger guys that give him more of a problem.

569
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Sticky Orange juice, and if you've ever had little kids

570
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: in your kitchen, you know that sticky orange juice is

571
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: a major concern all over the table and sometimes the

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00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: floor and the counter. That's a long time ago for me,

573
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: but I remember those days, and even now, even as

574
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: an adult, I sometimes get it's sticky orange juice on

575
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: my hands. We want to remind you that Big Lookigo

576
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Live is presented by Corps light, which is not sticky

577
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: like orange juice. Download the Core's Light rewards. After an

578
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: amazing Giant prizes throughout the season, Uh, let's go to

579
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: a guy who sticks to you like glue. And that's

580
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Charlie in Portland name because he can't get rid of

581
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Hi Charlie. What's going on? Pal? Hey guys, how are

582
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: you of doing today? So Charlie, are you ready to

583
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: admit that the Giants did not treat Odell Beckham Jr.

584
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: With disrespect? I was gonna say I had to eat

585
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: some crow this week, that I didn't think it was

586
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna get done. But um Odell did everything he was

587
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: supposed to do and more. And if they didn't give

588
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: him a contract, it would have been a revolution in

589
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Giant Nation. So I'm glad that O'Dell got his money.

590
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that Giants realized what kind of player

591
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: he is. They already knew what type of player he was.

592
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: There were other issues at work. You had to make

593
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: sure the ankle was good. Then you had to negotiate,

594
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: and Odell at the show that maybe he had grown

595
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: up a little bit. He checked all three of those boxes.

596
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: And once those boxes were checked, then all you're doing

597
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: is paying the football play and you're not worried about

598
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: the other stuff. And and like you said, you gotta

599
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: give Odell credit for doing everything he had to do

600
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: to get this done and presentation. Great work by them,

601
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: and great work by the Giants for rewarding an excellent

602
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: player that did what he had to do so and

603
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: the negotiating number that worked for both sides. It was perfect.

604
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: It worked out perfectly. You cannot have predicted atter. The

605
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: only thing with the Dell that I worry about a

606
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: little bit is I saw a tweet from him, is

607
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: that you know, he he has to not worry about

608
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: what people think about him. You know, it's just like

609
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Ricky Nelson had a song. You know, Um, I can't

610
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: remember it now, but it's basically, you gotta do it

611
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: for yourself. Garden party. Yeah, but Charlie, Charlie, I disagree

612
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: with that. If you listen to the Dell's press of

613
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: the other day, he talked about wanting to be legendary,

614
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: wanting to win championships, wanting to be named with some

615
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: of the great giants of the past. That is important

616
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: to him. He wants to be a guy who helps

617
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: build the legacy of this franchise for future generation. I

618
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: think Charlie's point, though, is that you can't worry about

619
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: people that like reply to you on Twitter. Okay, yeah, sorry, Charlie. No,

620
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: Like he was saying somebody like he couldn't sign somebody's

621
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: autographs because he was, you know, in a rush, busy

622
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: doing something going somewhere, or it just wasn't and he

623
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: didn't sign it, and the guy, you know, was you know,

624
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: all over him about it, Like, you know, he's just

625
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna forget that, because, yeah, he just can't let those

626
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: type of things bother him because he's doing a lot

627
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: out in the community. He's doing it for sick kids,

628
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: he's doing all that stuff, and he's just got to

629
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: learn that that he's you know, you're not gonna Oh,

630
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you can't please everybody, but you definitely can please yourself.

631
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: That was the Ricky Delson line, and he just you,

632
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You know, that's what he's gonna learn.

633
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: And if he learns that, you know he'll be he'll

634
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: be fine. You know, he'll just be fine. Hey, I

635
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: gotta I got something for you, trotally real quick. I'm

636
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: gonna throw one of the things out there real quick.

637
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: And he's shown matured in the offseason. He's done a

638
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: great job. He showed up. He is all that stuff, period.

639
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Awesome job. Is one more Bridgie stole us to cross.

640
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Let's see him control his emotions in a game when

641
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: things go sideways, and let's see him do it consistently,

642
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen that yet. That to me is

643
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: the only thing I have left on my checklist that

644
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I need to see for all good Oh no, no, no, no,

645
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they shouldn't have, But to me, that's

646
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: the only thing that I don't have checked on my

647
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: boxes right now. And I think he can do it.

648
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: I love the Growthy Show, and I love what he

649
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: said in front of the media, But you know, you

650
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: know that Jalen Ramsey is going to try to push

651
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: every single button in week one. If he can walk

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: out of that game in week one with it just

653
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: being a football game and not having any other nonsense

654
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: going on, I will be extremely happy and extremely impressed. Yeah,

655
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: I you know, I agree, except I don't care if

656
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: you what he does on the sideline, just don't do

657
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: it out the don't don't get penalty. Charlie. I'm with

658
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: you on that too. Yeah, Hey how about this? How

659
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: about m snacks or a big Mac? How would that work?

660
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: That's actually a bad line. That is pretty good. That

661
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: is pretty good. It won't happen. But that that that's

662
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: that's very clever of you. But I'm thinking like Snacks

663
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: is probably his replacement is already here in the hill.

664
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: They're not going to pay him all that money next here.

665
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: We're probably going to lose him. Unless you read structures.

666
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, why not we offer snacks for Mac? You

667
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: know Mac. I think DJ would rather pay Mac a

668
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: whole bunch of money than he would Snacks. That Snacks

669
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: is great at what he does, but he's one dimensional. Um,

670
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I know that's not gonna happen.

671
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: But that would be my trade possibility. What if what

672
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: if the Raiders said you got to give us snacks

673
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: out of number one? Oh no, I wouldn't give a

674
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: number that. I don't then I don't think it's gonna happen. Yeah,

675
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: i'd give a number three, you know, I wouldn't go

676
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: more than that. But anyway, ain't gonna have the right.

677
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: But I'll give you a couple of surprice cut. I

678
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: think Adams is going to be cut the tight end,

679
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: and I think Adams the safety is going to be cut.

680
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: And I also think Shane Smith is going to be gone.

681
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Those three guys are not going to be there. And

682
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: and I think we should keep either Russell or Um

683
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: number eight. I can't pronounce his name, Russell Russell, Shephard.

684
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: I think we both had him on the team. What

685
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: do you mean number six at a towel? Yeah? Yeah?

686
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: And what is who's the other guy? There's another Russell,

687
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: isn't there? Alonso Russell's number eighty four. He's also big,

688
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: he's taller, he's he's about Yeah. Either one of those

689
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: two I think we should keep instead of keeping Raymond

690
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: in the Hunter, I would keep one of them instead

691
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: of Raymond or whichever one you want to keep. How

692
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: about Roger Lewis. Do you have Roger Lewis on your

693
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: fifty three there, Charlie, No, I don't. I'm moving on

694
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: from Mr Lewis like he's inconsistent. He looks good and

695
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: then he looks bad. And like that interception that happened,

696
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: he didn't fight for that ball, wasn't It wasn't on him.

697
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charlie Big. Have a great Labor Day weekend,

698
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: my friend. You take it easy. Here's why. And you

699
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: know what. Roger Lewis has been so good as a

700
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: gunner in the preseason. I want to reward him for it.

701
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: That's why I put him on my final fifty three.

702
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: He Paul, I'm telling you, every time he goes out

703
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: there as a gunner, he beats his guys down the

704
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: field every single time. And I don't I want to

705
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: What do we always say to make the roster? What

706
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: do you gotta be good at? You gotta be good

707
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: at special teams? Well, he's done it. I want to

708
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: give him credit for that. I'm a Roger Lewis fan,

709
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: so I would like to see him make the fifty three.

710
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's done enough. It's fair now.

711
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: He in the spring, he was definitely Davis Webb's favorite

712
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: target with two yes, that not so much in the summer. No,

713
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: over the course of the summer. Of all these back

714
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: end of the depth chart wide receivers over the summer,

715
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I really believe that Russell Shepard and probably Calif Raymond

716
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: were the most productive in practice. Cliff Raymond had a

717
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: number of really good practice but I can't forget he

718
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: had five fumbles last year during the regular season, and

719
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: the other guys were kind of, you know, up and down.

720
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I would say, probably right, yeah. Nobody stood out and said, look,

721
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to keep me. Russell Shepard

722
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: was the only one in my mind who reached out

723
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: and said you've got to keep me. With his play

724
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: five one three. I like his veteran leadership to Daniel

725
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: in New Jersey's up next, Hi Daniel, Daniel, what's up?

726
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: All right? But first off, what Charlie said, you can't

727
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: have all the superstars be happy. What you what you got,

728
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: we got, we got stacks. Keep it that way, okay.

729
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Raiders have got to be

730
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: so annoyed that Aaron Donald signed that contract. Is now

731
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: coolil Max gonna want more than that. Yeah, they're but

732
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: they're both grade so you know what they get. All right, Well,

733
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. I want to talk

734
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: about the tight ends. First off, I wanted to ask

735
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: you a guy's opinion on how Evan Ingram's gotten in

736
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: bocking because last year he wasn't as a session and

737
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 1: like I don't I wasn't really comfortable with him being

738
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: on the field during running down and like I'd rather

739
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: have Rett Adelson. Of course, since he was more of

740
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: a blocking tight ends, here's he's never gonna be a

741
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: move the line guy. Um and in my opinion, he

742
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: still gets beat, probably more than he should. But he

743
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: weighs two d and thirty pounds. I mean he's just

744
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: he's blocking guys are to seventy five. I mean it's

745
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really really hard for him. So he's

746
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that I probably in Look, I'm

747
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: not trying to live at him and and put a

748
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: seal one on him, but simply because of his size

749
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and you don't want to get too maybe then he's

750
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna lose the speed. He's not going to be a

751
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: great blocker. He's gonna be a guy that you want

752
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: to seal the backside of a play, a guy that

753
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: you want to, you know, prevent the defensive end of

754
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: the lineback from crashing down on the weak side, that

755
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: stop a play from behind. That's what you need from him.

756
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be running at him at the point

757
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: of attack more often than not. That's not the type

758
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: of player that he is. Just not. I like. I

759
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: like seeing him behind the line and him having time

760
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: to run up to a defender. You're saying, yeah, And

761
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't. I don't want to ignore

762
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a good kid. He gives effort

763
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: to care, he wants to block, he tries to block.

764
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: He's not built to be a Mark Bovarro or Howard

765
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Cross type of blocker. He's just not even a Shocky.

766
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: That Shocky was very good. That's not where his physical

767
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: tools lie. Now will he give Will he give you

768
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: an fruit and impede a defender enough to allow you

769
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: to succeed on the play? Yeah, yeah, you can do that. Yeah.

770
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: And that's and that's why he's turned out to be.

771
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: I think despite the grades that some folks wanted to

772
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: give him last year. I do think he is an

773
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: extremely valuable player because he has shown that willingness. And

774
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and I was all over in the spring when you

775
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: know he was coming out. I'm like, no, he's a

776
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: piece of receiver. He's a glorified receiver. Uh No, Brandon Myers, okay,

777
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: was a receiver, and he wasn't even great as the

778
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: past Myers. And he wasn't even a great receiver, all right,

779
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: Evan A Gram is much more than that, not only

780
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: as a receiver but as a blocker. And quite honestly,

781
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: he's a better blocker than Larry to Nell could ever imagine. Yeah, absolutely, okay,

782
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: And there was a guy who was strictly wanting to

783
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: be a receiver. I'll try to jump over people when

784
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: he plocked. So you know, let's call ling room for

785
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: what he is. I don't I don't want to undervalue

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: him as a blocker, and I certainly don't want to

787
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: build him up to be Mark Bavaro. What else he got?

788
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: My last question is where do you think he rakes

789
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: both the tight ends? And I'll take that off here.

790
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Where where does he rate amongst NFL tight ends? You mean,

791
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: like in the top whatever, yeah, boy, that's thanks, Daniel.

792
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. As a receiver, who would I

793
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: put it? I mean, you still gotta put Jimmy Graham

794
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Gotta put Earth's ahead of him, right, Gronk,

795
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: you gotta ground get a Kelsey ahead of him. So

796
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: that's so. So that's four. And then there's that next

797
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: level and he's right in there. Would you put him

798
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: on the same level as de Laney Walker at this point?

799
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Sure level as Walker. He's on the next level, he's

800
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: on that second level of really good ones. I agree

801
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: with you, that's all. I agree with you on that.

802
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. No, of course not. He's

803
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: a really he's really the plan. And as long as

804
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: he can be again a functional, a functional get in

805
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: the way block, that's good enough. He can't single handedly

806
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: destroy your running. And the only reason that I accept

807
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: that because you guys know, I'm a power run guy.

808
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: I like I like the brutality, I like the physicality.

809
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: I want guys who knocked people off the ball. The

810
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: only reason I accept that is because you're gonna run

811
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: a double tight end set and you're gonna have another

812
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: tight end on the team who is a much better blocker.

813
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: If you had two tight ends like Evan Ingram on

814
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: the team, that would be a problem for me. Yeah, okay,

815
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: but Tillison is a perfect red Ellison is the perfect compliment,

816
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: which is funny because they signed him before they drafted it. Yes,

817
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: so that's correct. That. Well, let's go to Chris and

818
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Texas Online one. What's up, Chris, gentlemen, how are you today?

819
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: I am so excited that we're a week away from

820
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: the real deal, though not not nine days in counting, Chris. Nine, Actually,

821
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: I should say I shouldn't say that six days in

822
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: counting until Thursday night football opens the season even better,

823
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: asked John, how excited I was after the game last night?

824
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I was going strong, annoyingly excited. Yes, I forgotten exactly

825
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: called back to this comment, but he alluded to not

826
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: you can't wait till next week because it was miserable

827
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: familist night as well. That was it was. It was

828
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: a rough watch, Chris, rough watch. Second half was difficult,

829
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: fourth quarter in particular, all right, I got, I got,

830
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: I got one on offense and one on defense. And

831
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: then another comment um on offense. Gentleman talks about keeping

832
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the best fifty three. I don't see Jonathan Stewart as

833
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: best the best fifty three. I know we would only

834
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: say seven dred thousand dollars, but if you're looking at

835
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the best fifty three, I have a hard time. You

836
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: guys know him better than I do. You're over there, Chris.

837
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's not the best if you were

838
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: judging him solely based on what you saw in the preseason.

839
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I can't judge the

840
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: guy based on eight preseason carries when he is ten

841
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: years of an NFL career under his belt. So I

842
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: need to trust that a guy that's been in the

843
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: lead this long as a veteran has more than that

844
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: in the tank. And like you said that, we know

845
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: what the Giants invested in him. I can't bow on

846
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: that investment based off of literally eight carries in the preseason.

847
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: I just can't do that. Might you end up being

848
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: right in the long run, maybe, but I can't make

849
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: that decision now. It because at the other this way, Chris,

850
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: if you're the GM and you look at all his

851
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: tape and you watched him for two or three of

852
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: his last year's you watched every carry and you believe

853
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. Would you change your mind

854
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: after eight preseason carries? You can't. I wouldn't change my

855
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: mind knowing that it's only seven hundred thousand. If we're

856
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: talking a couple of million, yes, I can change my mind. Um,

857
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand and a lot. I'll bite the bullet

858
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: on that one. But that's fair than on defense. Gotta

859
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: cut the cord with Darian Thompson. Gotta cut it into

860
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: it every year. He's not one of the best, the

861
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: three out there. Oh, he's not even out there. That's

862
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: the problem. Well, Chris, I can tell you he was

863
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: literally Chris literally he was the last guy on for me.

864
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna sit down here and bang on

865
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: the table and and and and argue with you. I

866
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: totally understand where you're coming from. Um, safeties have to tackle,

867
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: you worry about his tackling and his injury issues are

868
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: a problem too, So I get where you're coming from

869
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: on that. I think he's right on the edge now.

870
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: And I'm and before I get to the last coming

871
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: and I'm I've been a very big fan of Andrew Adams.

872
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: Why why no love for Andrew Adams? I just I

873
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. He had a heck of the

874
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: season two seasons ago. Well he Well, I can tell

875
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: you my reasoning. Um, I like Andrew. He's a really

876
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: good guy and I'm a big fan his I believe

877
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: he's a safety that should be on an NFL team

878
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: and be on a roster. I think he's good enough.

879
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: The reason that I have Chris is the things that

880
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: he's good at, which is playing in the box and

881
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: tackling and that sort of thing. You have Landing Collins

882
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: you just saw, and then you have Michael Thomas as

883
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: your backup. Who's a better special teams player that Adams is,

884
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: that's also good around the line of scrimmage? When is

885
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: he going to get on the field? When do you

886
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: need that guy? If he was as good of a

887
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: player as he is in his strength was coverage, heck,

888
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: he would have been the third safety on the roster

889
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: for me. But it's what he's good at that I

890
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: think doesn't mesh with some of the other guys in

891
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: the roster. You know where I'm coming from, say I do,

892
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: But you like getting better than him as an overall player.

893
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: If I was starting a team from scratch, no for

894
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: what the Giants have otherwise on their roster. Yes, okay,

895
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, m's I got you, I

896
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: got you. It's fair. Last comment. I know he's a rookie,

897
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: but Lett is on. I mean it may look good

898
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: at Giants Drive. But one MetLife in December, that well,

899
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, we haven't seen him throw it

900
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: at at at one Metlife's at um in December. Um,

901
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: trust me. They used a fourth round pick on a

902
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: guy I've been here for. Uh, this is my twelfth season,

903
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Paul's eighty six season, and I've

904
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: I've never seen the Giants let go of a fourth

905
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: round draft pick. So, Paul, have you ever set four?

906
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: Let go of him? I was just saying, God, I

907
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: wish I could have that one back. But yeah, no,

908
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: you can't let go of him. I hear you know Tanny,

909
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, I mean, Tanny, Tanny did a

910
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: nice job. He's definitely, like Paul said, the best, better

911
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: than any third quarterback on the team and could possibly

912
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: play you know, back up. So you know, I mean,

913
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: you can't go back. I just I just wanted to say.

914
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: That was just something that was a little concerned, but

915
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm pulling firm because I'd like to see him and

916
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Webb compete, uh for elizare a parent in the future,

917
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, rather than drafting another quarterback. But I appreciate everything.

918
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll continue to listen. I look forward and bumping at

919
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: you guys when I fly up to New York for

920
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: some games, and hopefully to be in Houston for the

921
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: game as well. Look forward to see you there, Chris.

922
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Thanks to the call. We appreciate it. Yeah, I've mentioned

923
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: this on the show before. The highest immediate BUS draft

924
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: pick that I ever remember was Greg Mark. He was

925
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle out of University of Miami, third round

926
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: pick in nineteen ninety did not make it out of

927
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: training cap That's that. That's also Bill Parcels. That was

928
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: Bill parcel that was I wass I was what was

929
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: my seventh year in at that point, because I started

930
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: in eighty three. That was nineteen nine, and was that

931
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: pretty Was that at the peak of the Parcels George

932
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: Young kind of like, well, I mean that turned out

933
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: to be their second Super Bowl side, so he would

934
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: have been a rookie on the Super Bowl team, but

935
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: he couldn't even get out of training camp. Uh, they

936
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: tried to convert him to a linebacker. Was a defensive tackle,

937
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: that's Miami universally, Miami. They tried to convert him to

938
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: a linebacker and he could not move. Well, then why

939
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: did they try to get him to a linebacker? There

940
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: was some debate as to when they drafted and what

941
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: they should do. So that goes back to my previous question. Okay,

942
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: there you go. That's that's all I have to say.

943
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: I want to want to end anything that was a

944
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: third round pick though he was gone before the first

945
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: first game. Do you want to add anything on William

946
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: Gay or the other points that he made? No, because

947
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I think were addressed an Adams perfect letting Columbia Maryland.

948
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: He's up next. Hello Leonard, how are you sir? Hey guys?

949
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: How you doing alright? An exciting time? Here we go

950
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: regular season, nine months since we played a regular season game.

951
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: It's it's it's time, It's time. Um, do you have

952
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: to give any I mean, do you essentially at the end,

953
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: when you're making your cutch, if you're the coaching staff

954
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: and your schomer, do you have to turn to the

955
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: special team's coach and say, look, Is there anybody we

956
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: left out here? Yes, you know, I mean, and that

957
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: that's how and just um, you know, John, I think

958
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: that that's how Lewis makes the team. That's what I think.

959
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean. You turned to the special teams coaching, you say,

960
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: is there anybody? It was the fifty one players we

961
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: got lined up here who you absolutely we have to

962
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: have on this team. And I think Louis is probably

963
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: one of those two people. I'd like to see it.

964
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: Let lenn here, here's what I will say. And the

965
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: only problem, by the way, with that, Lennon, real quick,

966
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: and Paul, I'm sorry for something. Your top two gunners

967
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: are probably gonna be Russell Sheppard and Latimer, so he's

968
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: not going to be one of your starting gunners probably,

969
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: so then maybe you don't have to have him. So

970
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: I think that's the other side of the point, now, Paul,

971
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: you go ahead. Yeah. Pat Sherman related a story to

972
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: us in our in our broadcasters production meeting that I

973
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: think is actually very significant and we should all keep

974
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: it in mind when we see the fifty three. He

975
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: said when he was an assistant on Philadelphia. And by

976
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: the way, I know this because other people who have

977
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: been under Andy Reid, and Philly told me exactly the

978
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: same thing. Andy Reid actually would keep guys on the

979
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: back of the depth chart, not because they also happened

980
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: to be a special teams player, but he would actually

981
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: reserve spots for them because they were primarily special teams players.

982
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: And Sherman specifically told us, think of it, Tyree, by

983
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: the way, that's hard. Think about that. Or think gin

984
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: A Thompson who was a quarterer by trade, but couldn't

985
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: defend anybody in a regular defense, so he was a

986
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: special teams player first, foremost, and by the way, three,

987
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: four and five he was still a specialty. Or think

988
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: you know Steve Tasker, I think Bill Bates those types

989
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: of guys, you know what I mean. So here's the deal.

990
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: Shermer said. When he was in Philly, the rule was,

991
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: we're keeping five wide receivers, and receivers four and five

992
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: are gonna be special teams demons first, and we're not

993
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: even gonna think about their receiving skills. So what we

994
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: were doing as a coaching staff, we were evaluating receivers

995
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: in camp to see who's gonna be one, two and

996
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: three because we knew four and five we're gonna be

997
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: special teams specialists. Now, keeping that in mind. So keeping

998
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: that in mind, okay, And and I'm not giving anything

999
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: up because this was told to us under the guys

1000
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: that we could use it during the game. Sherman told

1001
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: us he would probably keep three or four special teams

1002
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: guys who will primarily just do special teams work. It

1003
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: wasn't about the rest of their body of of of

1004
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: of tape. It was about them being special teams gur groups.

1005
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, to me, is one of those guys, although

1006
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: he has done some things as a safety. Yeah. Now,

1007
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: and let me let me let me go back to

1008
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: something that that John said. John, the two players that

1009
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned are are already on the roster. I'm saying,

1010
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: we got fifty one guys on this roster. You turned

1011
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: to the special teams coach and you say, is there

1012
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: anybody missing? See that first fifty one? I'm not sure

1013
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: Lewis is on it. And the other thing I would

1014
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: disagree with you a little bit, John, Roger Lewis is

1015
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the best gunner on the team. I mean, here's here,

1016
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: here's the thing. They really haven't they really haven't used

1017
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: Lattimer and Shephard as gunners in the preseason because they

1018
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: know what they are based on ply your tape. So

1019
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: I think so I think you need to see him

1020
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: in games before you make that call. I will say this,

1021
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: based on the guys that did play in the preseason

1022
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: at gunner, Lewis was the best guy. Yes, but what

1023
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: would you agree with my contention that eventually you have

1024
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: to look at you know, you have to say, look

1025
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: twenty four on one side, twenty four on the other side.

1026
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: We got the three specialists for fifty one. I mean

1027
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: the special teams coaches, if it's that, if special teams

1028
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: are as important as we've been making it out to

1029
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: be all these years, you eventually have to turn to

1030
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: that guy and say, look, who who can't you do

1031
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: without on this team? I think at some point in

1032
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: the process that question does get asked. I agree. All right,

1033
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: let me ask you another question, John about I think

1034
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: I think you kept Beckton and Paul didn't know Fiegels

1035
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: kept Beckton. Okay, okay, okay. Thinking was you know, no

1036
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: way we want to go back two flowers that left tackle,

1037
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: and maybe Beckton is better than Wheeler at left tackle.

1038
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want you to do Jeff's thinking

1039
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: for him? But what do you think is that funny

1040
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: thing that Wheeler played left tackle last year better than

1041
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: he's played right tackle this year in the summer, So

1042
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's true. I think Jeff just

1043
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: really wants to fortify the back end of that line,

1044
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably what his thinking is. There

1045
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: were two times during training camp when Beckton actually did

1046
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: try to play some left tackle and then they flopped them,

1047
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: and then Wheeler was over there, and then they flopped

1048
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: them again. And they have both played both tackles during

1049
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: the course of training camp, and I don't think either

1050
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: one of them excelled at either spot. Oh, I would

1051
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: agree with that. I would agree with that, Paul, thank you.

1052
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta keep you gotta keep one of them.

1053
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: It's got to be the swing that you gotta be

1054
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: or as Jeff goes, you know, I think he had

1055
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: both of them on the team. Um, now, who's who's

1056
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: the You don't you lined them up, Who's who's the

1057
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: eighth guy? I don't think they're going to go to nine, John,

1058
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: did you have nine? Eight offensive linemen? So did Paul?

1059
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: Jeff had nine? Okay, Um, who's who's number eight. I'd

1060
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: love it to be I'd love it to be Bob

1061
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: Woodfield or Sean Locklear, I think the guy right or

1062
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Sean Adams. About John Andrew Lenn, I'll say right now,

1063
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: of my guys, and assuming whoever that swing tackle is

1064
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: gonna be, him and Greg were the two guys that dress.

1065
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think John Jerry might not get a jersey

1066
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: on game day because gregel can back up sent to

1067
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: the guard and then have the swing tackle insurance policy

1068
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: for the year. I think that's the guy. I think

1069
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: that's if he makes the roster. I think it's you know,

1070
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: in deference to John that I just think it's signed

1071
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: to move on. All right, Then we gotta run how

1072
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: we gotta run? Sorry, Lenn, call back on Monday. We'll

1073
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: get you back up. We are doing a show on

1074
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: Labor Day, by the way, at our new time one

1075
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: thirty to two thirty, and it's gonna be that way

1076
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: all season, folks, one thirty to two thirty, and you'll

1077
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: have these two um hands, the guys, ugly guys, any

1078
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: bunch of guys whatever, tann and pale guys whatever with

1079
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: you on Monday from one to two thirty on Labor Day.

1080
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: If you want to talk some giants football, Duke and

1081
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Queens will wrap us up. Hello, Duke, Hey, what's up

1082
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: guys you? Oh yeah. I wanted to ask you guys, uh,

1083
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: really quick, because I know we have to go soon. Um,

1084
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: the big keys to winning, uh the jack pins games

1085
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: like the things those two things, the things we must

1086
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: do to win and the things we absolutely cannot do

1087
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: if we want to win. I wanted to ask you that,

1088
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to ask you guys like on

1089
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: like a man to man, like a personal level, if

1090
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: you guys were to have the opportunity to sit to

1091
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: the guy, to sit with the guys that don't get

1092
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: onto the to theft three man roster and don't get

1093
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: picked up by another team and maybe not even see practice,

1094
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: feel like, what would you tell those guys maybe if

1095
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: they're they get down and you're looking for inspiration, Like,

1096
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: what would you personally tell those guys? I'm so happy

1097
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't have to have those conversations because I think

1098
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: they're just awful. Um. I can't imagine. And and Patrimmer

1099
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: said this to me and the radio interview did for

1100
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: the pregame show. It's it stinks. I mean, you get

1101
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: emotionally connected to these guys and you have to tell

1102
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: them that well, you know, I have to, you know,

1103
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: not let your dream continue with this organization. We wish

1104
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: you look elsewhere, but we can't do it here. I mean,

1105
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: that's just really, really hard. Um. I honestly, I have

1106
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: no idea what I would say. I would just say,

1107
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: work hard, you know, do your best, and you know

1108
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: if if you try your hardest, things will work out,

1109
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: whether it's in football or something else, and you know,

1110
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: best of luck. I mean, I don't have anything profound

1111
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: for I don't have a poem or anything like that

1112
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: to recite. I mean, I think there there are there

1113
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: are two things you can say to a guy in

1114
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: that situation. One is, we have a numbers game. Uh,

1115
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: you are practice squad eligible. We're going to waive you,

1116
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: but we would like to invite you back if you

1117
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: don't get claimed by somebody, and there is a home

1118
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: for you here on the practice squad. If you so

1119
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: choose this, decide that you want to come back, that's

1120
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: certainly one way to go. The other way to go

1121
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: is if you don't consider him as a practice squad

1122
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: guy or he's not eligible for the practice squad. When

1123
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: you cut that guy, as coach Shermer told us of

1124
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: the conference call earlier today, what you tell him is, uh,

1125
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: A lot of these fifty three man rosters are fluor

1126
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: during the season. You never know who's going to get hurt.

1127
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: And the fact that we know you, we've had you

1128
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: in camp, were familiar with everything you do and vice versa,

1129
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: you'll probably wind up on our short list. And if

1130
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: you are out there at a time of need for us,

1131
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: there's a good chance being on our short list that

1132
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: you may get a phone call. Thank you, Duke. We

1133
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: gotta run pal um and we will answer your first question,

1134
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: by the way, and the one thing I will say,

1135
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: I will be honest. You have to be honest with

1136
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: these guys. Like if you're a GM and you really

1137
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: think a player is never gonna make it, we have

1138
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: to tell I think you need to be honest with him,

1139
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: or if they're that far away, you need to tell him. Look,

1140
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: if you want to make then be an NFL player,

1141
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: you need to do a B, C and D differently,

1142
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: and that's your only chance that if you don't do that,

1143
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I think you're doing a disservice to the guy. Luckily,

1144
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: UM with Dave Gentelman here, he's not exactly one that's

1145
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: going to pull punches with people, so I guarantee he's

1146
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with these guys. These are two of

1147
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: the most honest, straight shooters you will find in the business.

1148
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: And perfect way to end the show, Paul. He asked

1149
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: us what the things the team absolutely has to do

1150
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: and what they can't do if they want to beat Jacksonville.

1151
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: Let's just go back and forth real quick. I'll start first.

1152
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: Gotta stop the run. Gotta stop Leonard for Net without

1153
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: a doubt, totally concur about that. Number Two, What do

1154
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: you got, um, I would say under four penalties. Another one,

1155
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: you can't let the Jaguars front dominate you defensively because

1156
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: they're really, really good and they can stifle your run

1157
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: game and a snap. They can kill your quarterback in

1158
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: a snap and you can't. Look. I'm not saying you

1159
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: gotta win and dominate him, and that's probably not gonna happen.

1160
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: They're too good, but you gotta hold your own. I

1161
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: think those those are me and the two things offensively

1162
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: and defensively. This is a tough spot for me to

1163
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: be in because we're ending the show. But I said

1164
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: it the other day on on one of the programs,

1165
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: and I'm saying that now. The Giants beating the Jaguars

1166
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: a week one is my upset special of the week

1167
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I strongly believe they will because I

1168
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: think that the Giants have the element of surprise. The

1169
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: Jaguars have no idea what they're preparing for. They don't

1170
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: know what Shermoer and Shula have cooked up on the

1171
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: Giants offense. They have no idea what Betcher's got cooked

1172
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: up on defense. They can study Minnesota and Arizona all

1173
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: they want, they haven't seen these coaches scheme with these

1174
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: particular players. If they look in a preseason film, they've

1175
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: learned almost nothing. And when the Giants put guys like

1176
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: Ingram and Beckham and Barkley on the field, no matter

1177
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: how good the Jaguars defense is, all it takes is

1178
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: one misstack and any one of those three guys can

1179
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: take it for a touchdown. And miss tackles are a

1180
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: part of football. Okay, I don't care how talented the

1181
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: Jaguars defense is, they will miss a few tackles in

1182
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: that game. And the Giants have three different guys who

1183
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: can turn that into a touchdown. The Giants study upset

1184
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: special of Week one market, just like Healing Colin did

1185
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: d Westbrook. No, I'm kidding to that you for joining

1186
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: us today, everybody before you see goodbye one or remind

1187
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: you that Big Book of Golf Live was presented by

1188
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: Corps Light. Download the Coors Light rewards apt to an

1189
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: amazing Giants prizes throughout the season for Paul Latino. I'm

1190
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: John Schmilk. Enjoy your Labor Day holiday weekend, folks. We

1191
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: are back on Monday and again our new time one

1192
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: two thirty Monday through Friday, all week every week during

1193
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: the Giant season. We'll see you next time.