Speaker 1: Ho ho ho.
Speaker 2: Everyone. I'm Devin Simone.
Speaker 1: And I am deepon Rogers and this is MTV's official
Speaker 1: challenge clearly Christmas podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. It's the holiday season day, and I
Speaker 2: am so excited, very excited, excited for this episode, excited
Speaker 2: to chat with you about it. We were supposed to
Speaker 2: have Callum on, but maybe he's busy with his other
Speaker 2: girlfriend or something. I don't know, but either way, it's
Speaker 2: just us today.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like just us double D so
Speaker 1: he could see his way out some.
Speaker 2: D's on that, right, I know, right, I know you
Speaker 2: already know it's gonna be a hot mess of a podcast,
Speaker 2: but in the best way possible. So I hope you
Speaker 2: have your snacks and you're ready to go. Going to
Speaker 2: do a deep dive into this week's episode because a
Speaker 2: lot happened, babe.
Speaker 1: Oh we had such a good episode. That was all
Speaker 1: amazing episode. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Let's start at the beginning. So it seems sort of sweet,
Speaker 2: except for as a viewer, it's not that sweet because
Speaker 2: we know, oh that Callum is trifling, like we know it,
Speaker 2: like we have already seen it, just literally trifling. But
Speaker 2: Michelle doesn't know, you know, What's interesting day is that
Speaker 2: like of the guests we've had on who you Know,
Speaker 2: spoken about Michelle and just as we see her gameplay,
Speaker 2: she seems to be kind of a queen bee in
Speaker 2: the house, right or like a leader. People listen to her,
Speaker 2: people don't want to double cross her. And yet this
Speaker 2: kid right here just just double triple quadruple crossing. And
Speaker 2: we only saw one call he made to his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that he made multiple calls because
Speaker 2: you know they get a call every week, right, so
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet he hit.
Speaker 1: Her with I love you so somebody I loveten? Yes,
Speaker 1: pretty often.
Speaker 2: But see, everybody we've had so far on the podcast
Speaker 2: said they genuine I believe them genuinely did not know Callum,
Speaker 2: which is also crazy because to keep that secret in
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like I don't.
Speaker 1: And I mean you can clearly see them. Michelle is
Speaker 1: falling for him, very planned.
Speaker 2: To date for him on the gars, like that's really
Speaker 2: doing the absolute most with the cherry on top.
Speaker 1: And it was there nothing in him that would say,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me just let this girl know,
Speaker 1: like like you nothing, you felt nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: We need to talk to Michelle about her choices because
Speaker 2: I I mean, because I'd be willing to bet. Not
Speaker 2: always the case, but like I'd be willing to bet.
Speaker 2: There was some telltale signs, not maybe not that he
Speaker 2: had a girlfriend, but certainly that he was asked boy material,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: He said he checks every box. So if he checks
Speaker 1: the red flag boxes.
Speaker 2: Right, what you need to change up the boxes you
Speaker 2: have on that list or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Which is wild? Do you It was still really sweet
Speaker 2: to see. It was sweet to see that vulnerable side
Speaker 2: of Michelle. And Okay, also this weird thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. Maybe it's too many Disney movies
Speaker 2: as a kid or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There is a part of me. I understand they're just friends,
Speaker 2: so people don't come at me, I understand, but feel
Speaker 2: free to DM me if you agree. I a part
Speaker 2: of me like once Michelle and Jay ah huh, girl,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's right under their nose. Like I'm
Speaker 2: just like you, guys, are you sure there's nothing there?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know. I just I feel like there's
Speaker 2: such a love between them and not honestily romantic, but
Speaker 2: there just is this like they each other they like.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I think they did. I don't
Speaker 2: support spinning the block usually, but in this case, you know,
Speaker 2: it might it might be worth a thought. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just yes, But do you think that Callum is like, sure,
Speaker 2: he of course he's attracted Michelle, But do you think
Speaker 2: a part of him is doing this because he's poladicking? Okay,
Speaker 2: I I.
Speaker 1: Think it may have started out that way, but I
Speaker 1: think he eventually started to develop something. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to classify that something, but he started to develop
Speaker 1: something for her. But I definitely believe it started out
Speaker 1: that way for sure. Okay.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know, because I
Speaker 2: feel like we got whiplash. I feel like she was
Speaker 2: pledging her love to him by you know, episode one
Speaker 2: and a half. So I don't know. I just feel
Speaker 2: like it happened very quickly, and so I don't even know.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I definitely do think he actually likes her.
Speaker 2: I will say this, Yeah, I think he's caught up
Speaker 2: in it. I think he actually likes her, and obviously
Speaker 2: she really cares about him. I just am like flabbergasted
Speaker 2: that you have a whole girlfriend who you were telling
Speaker 2: I love you too while you're cupcaking with this other
Speaker 2: girl on not just national like international television.
Speaker 1: She's going to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you was going.
Speaker 1: To see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and Michelle's gonna see I love you like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Just just you know, but I can't. I hope he's
Speaker 2: somewhere sitting in thinking about what he's done. Probably not,
Speaker 2: And I hope this is just a lesson. Is if
Speaker 2: it smells like an F boy, if it walks like
Speaker 2: an F boy, if it talks back, it probably is
Speaker 2: an F boy. It probably is.
Speaker 1: I think he's going through the situation like Mariah, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to hurt anybody nobody.
Speaker 2: Oh that reminds me, girl, we got to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Hold on, we gotta talk. We've got to there. Just
Speaker 2: we thank you for we just got to address it
Speaker 2: for a minute. It looks like we're gonna see more
Speaker 2: of that. The first to answer your question about Callum, No,
Speaker 2: the difference between Marian Callum is at least Mariah is
Speaker 2: showing some form of cognitions, a little like internal struggle, right,
Speaker 2: Like she's like, ah, I feel bad even if bananas
Speaker 2: is Pola digcking over on House of Villains and making
Speaker 2: out with Karenne. Also also now he's that happening, I mean,
Speaker 2: Banana's is in the in the streets now he was
Speaker 2: headlined holding hands with Lindsay from Summerhouse on her wedding
Speaker 2: day in the West Village? Does she not know who
Speaker 2: Banana Girl run? Although actually they both might be a
Speaker 2: complimentary level of toxic here we go. I don't know
Speaker 2: that's that's a separate that's just everything.
Speaker 1: That's everything.
Speaker 2: They both might be a complimentary level of toxics. Or
Speaker 2: maybe he's trying to send a message to Mariah because
Speaker 2: he got Like, I feel that Bananas very rarely gets
Speaker 2: played publicly, do you know what I mean? Like he's
Speaker 2: known for breaking hearts, being a terrible boyfriend, you know,
Speaker 2: in the long term, good boy from the beginning, but
Speaker 2: then you know, I'm always ends up doing something, and
Speaker 2: I feel like Mariah is probably one of the first
Speaker 2: times that like really publicly someone's gotten over, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like played. So I wonder if a
Speaker 2: part of this is kind of like, you know, puff
Speaker 2: my chest a little bit, uh.
Speaker 1: Or Johnny could just be being Johnny.
Speaker 2: I mean that too, But anyway, you know, I just
Speaker 2: so Now back to this week's episode. Yeah, while Collum's
Speaker 2: working his angles with Michelle in his lives, really the
Speaker 2: challenge they had to do this week is called working
Speaker 2: the Angles Day. Can you tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about your thoughts on this challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan at all.
Speaker 1: I hate Heights above Water. I can't stand it, stand
Speaker 1: it at all. But I thought it was really cool
Speaker 1: that everyone got to, you know, an opportunity to show
Speaker 1: what they can do. Like even with down to Berna.
Speaker 1: This was her field, this was her thing. She does
Speaker 1: this right, she like, what is it called trappeez? This
Speaker 1: is what she does right, And so this was a
Speaker 1: great thing me personally. If I were in this challenge,
Speaker 1: I definitely would have picked to be the person to
Speaker 1: call out the colors. I would have been that person
Speaker 1: like crawling across the chindel, like climb up and down
Speaker 1: on the triangle. That would not have been me at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have called out Berna's clappers. They looked
Speaker 2: great up there, they really did. Was she was killing
Speaker 2: it and I love that she was like, oh I
Speaker 2: don't even feel him anymore. You know, like she's usually
Speaker 2: eat my shorts like I don't know, I don't she
Speaker 2: looked great, like yeah, power to girl, appreciate all of it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to go do some spots
Speaker 2: or something, especially after Thanksgiving. Lord, some sit up some
Speaker 2: I don't know, deep breaths. I need to do something.
Speaker 2: But she looked great up there. To me, that was
Speaker 2: automatically a win. So props you. And also look at
Speaker 2: Bernard's come a long way since she was really struggling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, first, you know, she doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: making as many people mad, which is good.
Speaker 1: Did you see how Jay was climbing up and down
Speaker 1: that like he I mean, this was his habitat It
Speaker 1: was crazy. The way he was climbing up and down
Speaker 1: that pyramid was insane. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Horacio Kylin and Big tie my girl Big pulled out
Speaker 1: the wind. I'm glad she can breathe for once.
Speaker 2: Yes, she deserves it, Like they're really just coming after
Speaker 2: you and can I This goes to there have been
Speaker 2: people who've said in past seasons, right, they get really frustrated.
Speaker 2: Usually when there's a lot of vets and rookies in
Speaker 2: the house because oftentimes they felt like although I don't
Speaker 2: feel like USA two is this way, which is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why it was probably one of my
Speaker 2: favorite seasons. But where it becomes that, like usually the
Speaker 2: vets sort of take control and then there's like a
Speaker 2: consistent target, right, like where they keep going after a person,
Speaker 2: keep going a person. And actually, as I say it,
Speaker 2: it did sort of happen last season with Chris and
Speaker 2: USA two, but in general, people get mad. But this
Speaker 2: is just proof that that's not just a VET thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's just a house thing because they're coming after
Speaker 2: Big T is one of the more senior players here,
Speaker 2: yet she happens to be the one that is now
Speaker 2: being consistently targeted. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Well they said that. They say she had the most
Speaker 1: number of shows, so get her out of it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the reverse they flipped it on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, So Hirasio, Kylin and Big T win, Yes,
Speaker 2: and then we see Hirasio struggling to decide, undeciding on
Speaker 2: who to throw in.
Speaker 1: Baby make a choice, Okay, Like I want to see
Speaker 1: him start speaking up, I want to see him start
Speaker 1: standing in it. My first introduction to him. I thought
Speaker 1: he was like rookie of the year. So I figured
Speaker 1: when he came back, he was coming back like hey,
Speaker 1: like this is my show, Like I'm here to claim
Speaker 1: what's mine, and he's kind of like crawling into the
Speaker 1: corner waiting for other people to make decisions. I want
Speaker 1: to see him speak up more, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting, I wonder because he does come
Speaker 2: across as such a leader, and yes, he was so
Speaker 2: kick ass on his first season that it's like, where
Speaker 2: does this indecisiveness whether it's shining, you know, like where
Speaker 2: is this because.
Speaker 1: Think it might be strategy, but because how he stepped
Speaker 1: out on.
Speaker 2: Big tea, So yeah, right right, yes, Also the thing
Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense, you had like you had the
Speaker 2: audacity to be loud. Yeah for the big teeth, but
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, unless do you think that
Speaker 2: when he did say big t and he thought he
Speaker 2: was being all big and brave, he got some flak
Speaker 2: for that and the house and so then he sort
Speaker 2: of start second guessing because yeah, in the very early
Speaker 2: episodes he was like, oh, I'm going to stick to
Speaker 2: my vote because I'm not a sheep and blah blah, blah,
Speaker 2: and now all I'm hearing is bad, bad, bad, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so bad. So I don't understand. Curious to you all,
Speaker 2: all of our Challenge podcast fan, what you guys think
Speaker 2: this strategy behind? It seems like he's having a mid
Speaker 2: life crisis or like a big challenge crisis. But I
Speaker 2: don't understand, like not like literally midlife, but like a
Speaker 2: midlife challenge crisis of where he can't Yeah, and I wonder,
Speaker 2: why do you think he's just trying to keep his
Speaker 2: hands clean at this point?
Speaker 1: Like he thinks, yeah, because he got big t blood
Speaker 1: on them already, So maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's trying to keep his hands clean. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely becoming more apparent. I Mean, we knew
Speaker 2: that Olivia was kind of the mouthpiece for that team
Speaker 2: back in Ride or Dies, But I feel like if
Speaker 2: it wasn't obvious, then this season is definitely making that
Speaker 2: very obvious.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Also, it seems like they're setting up. So remember we
Speaker 2: had Naris on right and she was talking about the
Speaker 2: fallout with Olivia and like eluded that on the surface,
Speaker 2: it's not about her dating Harasio, right, Like the fallout
Speaker 2: isn't over that even though I suspect there's like a
Speaker 2: hint to that underline. I feel like this episode they
Speaker 2: were kind of setting up the potential fallout because they
Speaker 2: kept giving the narrative of Hoirassio didn't have a voice
Speaker 2: when he was playing last time, Hirassio didn't have a voice.
Speaker 2: Hirassio didn't have a voice. Yeah, dude, go get some
Speaker 2: cough spray Alaza something I don't know, but figure out
Speaker 2: how to use it. But I felt like, without saying
Speaker 2: Olivia's name, they were sort of pinning it on Olivia
Speaker 2: because obviously they were partners, and so I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's going to be the pivot or a part of
Speaker 2: the blow up in some way.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just felt like they kept bringing that up a lot.
Speaker 2: Today we're definitely we're gonna have to figure out what's
Speaker 2: going on there. But unfortunately, Hirassio does find his voice
Speaker 2: just enough to say he Menuel as the vote.
Speaker 1: I think that was the safe vote for him. I
Speaker 1: think he felt safe doing that because I think he
Speaker 1: thought he didn't know Emmanuel had as many connections as
Speaker 1: Emanuel has, So that just shows like, oh, baby, you
Speaker 1: out of the loop. You might want to have a
Speaker 1: conversation with the Reese because you at the loop. Baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Manuel knows how to make connections. If you
Speaker 2: don't believe me, go look at my Twitter and you
Speaker 2: can see the pinned videos Actually from an aftermath episode
Speaker 2: we did where Torri and e Manuel snuck into the
Speaker 2: bathroom to hook up and they forgot that there were
Speaker 2: hidden cameras that caught it. It still pinned to the
Speaker 2: top of my ro file. So yes, Manuel, definitely he
Speaker 2: knows how to charm and connect.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to take a quick break because
Speaker 1: Devin and I clearly have all the tea. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: So now let's get into these nominations, because I like,
Speaker 2: what in.
Speaker 1: The pure evil?
Speaker 2: What in the why the hell are you so mean?
Speaker 2: What in the mean? Girl's Part two was happy and
Speaker 2: these nominations, I have.
Speaker 1: No idea, I have no eyda. It was it was mean,
Speaker 1: It was angry. It was just like, oh, it was cringey.
Speaker 1: It was like, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're doing all of this to throw Melissa and Big
Speaker 1: T under the bus to make yourself appear to be
Speaker 1: whatever in front of your alliance that you think you
Speaker 1: have just for your alliance members to turn around, Michelle,
Speaker 1: look you in the face and say, yeah, I'm still
Speaker 1: gonna say your name, boy, because.
Speaker 2: It didn't make him look good like as he was
Speaker 2: doing it, and I was making like Corey's going to
Speaker 2: be the reason my botox wears off early.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: And because the amount of like faces I was making,
Speaker 2: just in shock and disbelief and frustration, I one hundred
Speaker 2: percent no, I'm gonna send him the bill the next
Speaker 2: time I have to go to doctor B because he's
Speaker 2: gonna definitely make it wear off. Ass Because so he
Speaker 2: like the idea of Okay, I'm gonna come clean, Fine,
Speaker 2: if you want to come clean, fine, whatever, and then
Speaker 2: the idea of I'm gonna try and prove my loyalty
Speaker 2: to my alliance, like okay, fine, But I feel like
Speaker 2: this one of the things could have been an email
Speaker 2: or in this case, it could have been a private
Speaker 2: chat that you guys had, not a deliberation in front
Speaker 2: of the whole house, right, but then to so meanly
Speaker 2: go after Big T and Melissa, not just like hey, guys,
Speaker 2: you know what, sorry, I was doing double duty. I
Speaker 2: was pulling a raven and sharing information. I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been like blah blah blah cool. But for him to
Speaker 2: just be so mean and so callous is just I'm
Speaker 2: in shock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what was the reason? Because it didn't work
Speaker 1: in your favorite.
Speaker 2: So it did. It just made you look like an
Speaker 2: evil person. So if you were on my alliance and
Speaker 2: you did that, if Dave you pulled some stuff, we're
Speaker 2: in the house and you come and you're like backed
Speaker 2: into a corner, and then you're like, I was the
Speaker 2: Lions Callum and Michelle, you know, you know better a lot.
Speaker 2: But if you're like I was, I was taking advantage
Speaker 2: of Callum Michelle this whole time. I'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: good on you for Callum and I'm kidding. But I'd
Speaker 2: be and you were like, but I don't even care
Speaker 2: about them, da da da. I would just look at
Speaker 2: you and be like, wow, she yeah, she lacks empathy,
Speaker 2: which then makes me question her period.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My mama always said be careful of a dog who'll
Speaker 2: bring you a bone, because it also means they'll carry
Speaker 2: one carry one, And so basically that is older Black
Speaker 2: mama speak for if someone can be really shady, if
Speaker 2: someone's being really shady talking to you about someone else.
Speaker 2: Be careful because they probably are doing that about you,
Speaker 2: or like they probably will do that same thing to you.
Speaker 2: And so I would just look at that and be like, well,
Speaker 2: he can be that mean and heartless to two people
Speaker 2: who otherwise Melissa has anger problems clearly, but otherwise are
Speaker 2: like decent people. You know, they're not like evil, they're
Speaker 2: not the villains. If he can do that to them,
Speaker 2: then he can do that to anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so saw it in his face. He felt bad.
Speaker 1: He tries to create a facade, but you could see it.
Speaker 1: Like I told you, he does this thing with his
Speaker 1: eyes where where he's in like mean guy mode, but
Speaker 1: then his eye'll start to twitch like like like the yeah,
Speaker 1: like the innocent is trying to come out, but he's
Speaker 1: trying to like blink his eye to keep it in there.
Speaker 2: So well, his body language just stone walls anytime he
Speaker 2: does it. Shoot like you'll literally see him sit back
Speaker 2: and almost like stiffen up when he feels like he's
Speaker 2: being challenged or backed into a corner. And it's just
Speaker 2: crazy to me because I've spent it's very limited time,
Speaker 2: but I've met Corey in person twice, so once on
Speaker 2: the Aftermath the same season where we have the clip
Speaker 2: of even Well and Tory hooking up that's pinned to
Speaker 2: my Twitter. And then one in La when we were
Speaker 2: doing a challenge fitness thing with Rachel and so we
Speaker 2: were all saying at the same hotel, had drinks of them.
Speaker 2: It was fun. He was great, like, so cool great.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh so fun. Changed numbers. We've like
Speaker 2: had DM since then all that, and so watching this,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, who is this person? Like? Who is
Speaker 2: this person? Because the Corey I knew is wonderful. It's
Speaker 2: like really a lovely person. I feel like he's really
Speaker 2: wanting to fit in. I feel like it's take it
Speaker 2: back to like mean girls or high school. Yes, he's
Speaker 2: literally Katie for mean girls where he betrays Janis. Okay,
Speaker 2: big t is Janie. Where he betrays Janis because he's
Speaker 2: trying to fit in with the plastics, Okay, which would
Speaker 2: be Michelle and j and no shade to Michelle and
Speaker 2: Jane this, but we just have to give examples. So
Speaker 2: he's trying to fit in with the plastics, so he
Speaker 2: betrays He's like besties but doesn't feel good because ultimately
Speaker 2: he's still seeing is like he's not fit in which
Speaker 2: is was proven when Michelle still was like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote for you. I think the theme of
Speaker 2: this season is freaking terrible terrible politicking at deliberation, Oh
Speaker 2: for sure, trash.
Speaker 1: You guys are terrible at this, just awful, like talking
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: Just the way it's Chauncey p. Jordan's set the tone,
Speaker 2: and it has just been bad since I don't think
Speaker 2: we've seen a single person speak up in deliberation and
Speaker 2: us go that was good. Now James spoke up and
Speaker 2: managed not to get voted in, but he still sounded dumb.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. They need a politic coach.
Speaker 2: And this is before chaos came in. Now I understand.
Speaker 2: Chaos makes it harder because now you're putting yourself out there,
Speaker 2: you're doing all this politicing and it may not even count, right, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know what's on the third well we did
Speaker 2: until this episode will get to it, but we didn't
Speaker 2: know what was on the third paddle.
Speaker 1: So so deliberation, I feel like it's too open. I
Speaker 1: would have private conversations with everybody before then and then
Speaker 1: one we got there, I would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had my conversations with everyone, so whatever happens today
Speaker 1: happens today, and I would just let them go. But
Speaker 1: I would have private conversations with everyone before the deliberate.
Speaker 1: It's just too open. It's too open for me, It's
Speaker 1: way too open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I also feel like the minute you
Speaker 2: speak up in a weird way automatically makes you an
Speaker 2: easier target for kind of it literally just also draws
Speaker 2: attention to you. It's like when you're in class and
Speaker 2: you didn't finish the assignment. If you don't want the
Speaker 2: teacher to really realize you're there, you're not going to
Speaker 2: raise your hand and ask a question like where do
Speaker 2: I put my name on the paper? Shut up, right,
Speaker 2: sit down, and all of them keep trying to get
Speaker 2: ahead of it. But when you do have the individual talks,
Speaker 2: don't do it all a big tea and Melissa because
Speaker 2: they are ter'. I mean like when they go to
Speaker 2: ED and they're like, Okay, yeah, Ed, you're gonna work
Speaker 2: with us, and they were like it's like yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and then a confessional it's like absolutely.
Speaker 1: Not, definitely absolutely not.
Speaker 2: That is not how any of this works like, definitely not.
Speaker 2: And I love how each time. May we all have
Speaker 2: the optimism as we move through the rest of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three and into twenty twenty four. Here we go,
Speaker 2: May we all have the optimism and delusion that Big
Speaker 2: Tea and Melissa have and their ability to make last
Speaker 2: minute alliances that are actually going to save them, because
Speaker 2: they really are delusional about that, And you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 2: May we all have a little bit of Lulu.
Speaker 1: They really do go into delusional land. Go all the way, go.
Speaker 2: All the way in and shut the door, just shut
Speaker 2: the heat inside, go all the way in, And they
Speaker 2: really do because each time they think that they've managed
Speaker 2: to make it happen, and each time it does not.
Speaker 2: All right, So now we get into the arena. We
Speaker 2: are there. The orange is finally less distracting for me
Speaker 2: in the uniforms. It's finally less.
Speaker 1: By the blue. The blue is overshadowing the orange a lot.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: Look I like orange.
Speaker 1: But how is she? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they were just feeling the fall seasoned spirit.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So, so we're now at the arena
Speaker 2: and the mercenary that we have coming in is one
Speaker 2: of the biggest smack talkers. I feel like I know
Speaker 2: he also has a great name. His name is Devin Walker.
Speaker 1: When that's how Devin walking in, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go because I know he's coming in with
Speaker 1: a points to prove. He and Tory are currently the
Speaker 1: reigning champions, right right, so he let's talk about that too,
Speaker 1: because there's this debate going on on social media right now,
Speaker 1: right and tell us about the street. There's the the
Speaker 1: in the Twitterville streets. There's this debate going on as
Speaker 1: to whether the reigning champion are still Tory and Devin
Speaker 1: or is it now? Uh Desie is it? Who's the
Speaker 1: raining chain?
Speaker 2: I think it's different. I'd say both because Desi and
Speaker 2: Chris are the champions of the USA edition. Though, I
Speaker 2: just like it's a little different. I think Deasi and
Speaker 2: Chris are It's like it would be like Miss America
Speaker 2: and Miss USA. They both are reigning. It's just two
Speaker 2: different divisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I can see both beauty.
Speaker 2: Pageants, but two different divisions, I know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's I think it's two different things. So no,
Speaker 2: Torri still she's still our champ. Yeah, so so if
Speaker 2: that makes people are like, what does that mean? So
Speaker 2: Miss America Miss USA both beauty pageants, they're owned by
Speaker 2: different companies. Therefore they are too conceene as two different things.
Speaker 2: That's coming from a poorb pageant girl. Uh. One person
Speaker 2: can be Missing America, one person can be Miss USA.
Speaker 2: They're actually never the same person, but they hold the
Speaker 2: titles around the same time.
Speaker 1: I don't mess up. Don't mess up anymore.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we see Devin Walk in and and
Speaker 2: of course, now if you guys watched previously when they
Speaker 2: had a draw and Devon was on, you know that
Speaker 2: Devin always like pulled the like blank one, or like
Speaker 2: always pulled sort of like the and this is back
Speaker 2: when they had swords. Yeah, and he always pulled the
Speaker 2: random one. It became kind of like a running theme
Speaker 2: and thing. And sure enough, Devin Walker is the first
Speaker 2: one to choose the chaos paddle, right. It was like,
Speaker 2: now you and I had theories of what that meant.
Speaker 2: So my theory was that it meant that he got
Speaker 2: to pick or whomever whatever, you know, Mercenary got to
Speaker 2: pick between the two contenders down there who they wanted
Speaker 2: to go against because I was like, the rest of
Speaker 2: the cast isn't going to be dressed in their orange
Speaker 2: and blue uniforms, so like they're not going to be
Speaker 2: geared up to come down there. That was my theory.
Speaker 2: What was your theory?
Speaker 1: Day? My theory was that the mercenary would be able
Speaker 1: to pick anybody who wasn't safe. They would be able
Speaker 1: to pick anybody who wasn't safe. And the reason I
Speaker 1: say this is because there were times on my seasons
Speaker 1: where people allegedly were off limits, you know, except unless
Speaker 1: you won, you were safe, but everybody else was off limits.
Speaker 1: But they still told us go ahead and pack your
Speaker 1: uniform in your bag and bring your uniform in your bag.
Speaker 1: So my thinking is they still had to bring their
Speaker 1: uniforms even though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense because see you, on my seasons,
Speaker 2: we didn't if we if we were in the draw,
Speaker 2: because we were, it was a much bigger draw, right,
Speaker 2: Like it got smaller and smaller as the season went on.
Speaker 2: But at one point, like half the cast was in
Speaker 2: the draw, and so if you were in the draw,
Speaker 2: you had to wear your uniform. But if you weren't
Speaker 2: in the draw, like even if you didn't win, but
Speaker 2: you just weren't in the draw. You didn't have you
Speaker 2: didn't have to bring your uniform, you didn't have to
Speaker 2: pack it or anything. So admit those people were just
Speaker 2: realistically off limits. But what you're saying makes sense, and
Speaker 2: obviously you're right and I was wrong. So chaos. Devin
Speaker 2: chooses chaos because that's what Devin's do. I'm kidding this,
Speaker 2: Devn does not. She likes peace and happiness really too.
Speaker 2: I like peace. I like being in bed at a
Speaker 2: decent hour, online shopping and lots of ice cream that
Speaker 2: makes me happy and snuggles with my dog. So Devin
Speaker 2: chooses case. Who did you expect him to pick?
Speaker 1: You know, he made a statement and said he didn't
Speaker 1: want to pick anyone that he knew, And so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, I know Devin is a very
Speaker 1: well known person. But then I had to check myself.
Speaker 1: That mean people know him, not necessarily that he knows them, right,
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I have no idea who
Speaker 1: he would choose, Absolutely no clue who he would pick.
Speaker 1: I have no idea none.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting too, that automatic I
Speaker 2: don't want to pick someone I know because I also
Speaker 2: feel like this is an opportunity to get back at someone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you know that you don't necessarily like,
Speaker 2: so like I thought that was an interesting immediate take
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah. And then okay, so then we see
Speaker 2: Michelle speak up right and be like not him about
Speaker 2: Calvin and me see whya say not him about James?
Speaker 2: And then Devin, who Michelle's like is one of my
Speaker 2: best friends outside of the house. Again, she says that
Speaker 2: about ninety two people on this show. I swear she does.
Speaker 2: I think, so I'll accept it. But Michelle, next time
Speaker 2: you consider dance when the challenge howds call me girl,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it first. We'll go through the signs
Speaker 2: and just make sure it's cool. But he then proceeds
Speaker 2: to pick Callum. But before we get that, can we
Speaker 2: talk about how he peeped Mariah and James's body language, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, pulled it out the hat immediately immediately, And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, because even though you know him
Speaker 1: and Johnny have whatever they have, I do believe to
Speaker 1: some degree they are friends. And there Oh, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna one run this information back.
Speaker 2: I think he's the one because so word on the
Speaker 2: street is and we got he found out that Mariah
Speaker 2: and James had a thing going on, And I'm willing
Speaker 2: to bet just in seeing how quickly Devin peeped it.
Speaker 2: I think Devin was the one who probably shared that information.
Speaker 2: I would have yeah, yeah, especially because he doesn't know James, right,
Speaker 2: so I imagine, look, you know their history or not? Like yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like once you become a part of
Speaker 2: this Challenge family, it really is a weird family. Like
Speaker 2: even with people you don't like, there really is this
Speaker 2: weird sort of camaraderie connection y thing that ties us,
Speaker 2: especially if you've done this right right right, and especially
Speaker 2: when you've done multiple seasons together, there becomes that. And
Speaker 2: so I would have done the same thing. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's the one that told And
Speaker 2: it was just interesting that he sized that up so quickly.
Speaker 2: It was also interesting that he literally picked the one
Speaker 2: person that Michelle said, don't pick the best friend. Ah.
Speaker 2: She was hot as fish, grease, she was mad, she
Speaker 2: was she was like why why would you do this?
Speaker 2: And he was like, oops, my bad. So now when
Speaker 2: he's doing this, I remember texting you being like, Devin
Speaker 2: better win this. It doesn't win, especially because what happened
Speaker 2: with Kaz. I feel like you never know. Oh, Like
Speaker 2: I just was like, I need Devin to knock this
Speaker 2: out of the park, and then he starts dropping him
Speaker 2: right away. I was really I was just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, please don't let us have a repeat.
Speaker 1: But were Callum messed up to me because he kicked
Speaker 1: his He kicked Devin's piece. I would have buried it
Speaker 1: under my stuff. I have buried it to bury it
Speaker 1: under my stuff, Like okay, you're always going to be
Speaker 1: off because I would have been one hundred percent I
Speaker 1: would have took it and buried it. But him just
Speaker 1: kick it off to the side. I was like, no, baby,
Speaker 1: bury it.
Speaker 2: See. I feel like that's more veteran thinking mentality, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's what you're thinking of, is more in line.
Speaker 2: It's also just mean dah, but it's more veteran thinking
Speaker 2: mentality than the rookie stuff, which I feel like we
Speaker 2: see a lot of because you know, I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: seen word on the streets about the whole Jordan and
Speaker 2: Kieran thing, right and like elimination and like, look, sometimes
Speaker 2: stuff happens, But I think the thing that's consistently different
Speaker 2: with the veterans is the veterans are prepared for like
Speaker 2: stuff to have, if that makes sense. Yeah, like stuff
Speaker 2: to whether it's stuff breaks and whether it's you know whatever,
Speaker 2: Like they're they're just and they kind of learned to
Speaker 2: adapt and flow with that. When you do enough, you
Speaker 2: realize that that just happens sometimes like it's life like.
Speaker 2: It's just it's not like you know, your car's extended warranty,
Speaker 2: like they're tested out a few times, but sometimes things
Speaker 2: happen and and veterans are usually more prepared for that
Speaker 2: mentally than rookies who either expected to work flawlessly every
Speaker 2: time and it doesn't, or who you know, get thrown
Speaker 2: off when there is kind of like a shift or
Speaker 2: something changing. But anyway, so Devin pulls out a win
Speaker 2: and Callum is going home to his girlfriends. How did
Speaker 2: you feel? Were you happy that he that Callum was
Speaker 2: sent home? No?
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to see more of Callum. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: wanted to see Yeah, I did. I wanted to see more
Speaker 1: because I want to see where the story of him.
Speaker 1: I want to see where it was gonna go. I
Speaker 1: really want to see where's gonna go? Was she gonna
Speaker 1: find out what was she gonna get? Like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to see where this situation was gonna go. However, I
Speaker 1: do believe with him out of the game, Michelle will
Speaker 1: be more focused and so that's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I definitely wanted to see more of him.
Speaker 1: Definitely proud of Devin. But they keep losing money, right,
Speaker 1: another ten thousand.
Speaker 2: They keep losing money, and I think everyone's shocked because Callum,
Speaker 2: in his mind, was sleeping good. Probably Michelle's been, but
Speaker 2: was sleeping good, Like had no idea he would be
Speaker 2: in for an elimination. I feel like that's like probably
Speaker 2: the worst blind side of it all. Right, if you
Speaker 2: just you really think I'm safe, I'm good, life's great,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, and it's.
Speaker 1: Not even by the house, you get blindied by an outsider.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like that is that is It was
Speaker 2: just it was a lot. So they lost the money.
Speaker 2: Then Devin says he regrets doing it against Callum, he
Speaker 2: should have done it against James, which is funny. It
Speaker 2: would have been interesting to see who do you think
Speaker 2: would have on that one.
Speaker 1: I think Devin still would have won. I think Devin
Speaker 1: still would have won. Yeah, I think a good matchup
Speaker 1: in that particular game probably would have been Devon and
Speaker 1: j or Devin and Kyler.
Speaker 2: Those would Kyland would have been really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Y'all know we have more coming. We have to take
Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll be right back after this. It
Speaker 2: was a great episode. Okay, so let's now that we've
Speaker 2: talked about what's happening. We've done a breakdown of this week.
Speaker 2: Now let's get into our gold Star and timeouts. My
Speaker 2: gold Star contenders. It's really a tie between Bernard's cheeks
Speaker 2: because Bernard just was working. At the fact she was like,
Speaker 2: I don't care, like this is I was I was
Speaker 2: go go or breakdancer, and like I was expecting her
Speaker 2: to do some moves up there. Now she was putting
Speaker 2: the puzzle pieces upside down. But it's fine because she looked,
Speaker 2: you know, she was killing it.
Speaker 1: So you know, are you doing Yeah, you gotta let
Speaker 1: things slide.
Speaker 2: Uh. So that's a contender. And then Big Ta in
Speaker 2: her Ma Genery Alliance are most certainly a contender. And
Speaker 2: then h you know, I'd have to say I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give Michelle a gold Star contender.
Speaker 1: And here's why.
Speaker 2: I just feel maybe it's a pity gold Star contender,
Speaker 2: but I just.
Speaker 1: Feel it was sweet that she did the date.
Speaker 2: That was cute. She really is approaching this in a
Speaker 2: way that like you generally should. Now, the one mistake
Speaker 2: is she met someone in the Challenge house. But outside
Speaker 2: of that, like that, you know, she's she's doing her
Speaker 2: due diligence or trying. So I'm gonna give her the
Speaker 2: gold Star Contender, but my winner ultimately is going to
Speaker 2: go to Big T and her imaginary alliance. Also they
Speaker 2: kicked butt, you know, which is great. Yeah, but but
Speaker 2: just yeah, her game play is entertaining. Who gets your
Speaker 2: gold Star this week?
Speaker 1: My goal star. It caught me off guard because I,
Speaker 1: you know, did not think I was gonna give this
Speaker 1: person my goal star until they said this. But my
Speaker 1: goal star goal to Emmanuel for when he was talking
Speaker 1: about his mom and then he was smiling so big
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm here to retire my mom. That
Speaker 1: did it for me, Like I don't know that did
Speaker 1: it for me anybody who come in, they play like
Speaker 1: just his whole story overall about his mother and how
Speaker 1: he feels about her. I love when I see a
Speaker 1: man express how they feel about their mom, because I'm
Speaker 1: a firm believer how you treat your mom is how
Speaker 1: you're gonna treat your lady. So I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that's beautiful. Yeah, so he gets my goal start
Speaker 1: for this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean with inflation. I don't know about the retirement part,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate the sentiment. I really do. I really get,
Speaker 2: and not only just inflation with their rate of gameplay,
Speaker 2: because they just be losing money sometimes, like I just
Speaker 2: ship that point up aside hustle, but still like I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Man of the sentiment very very much.
Speaker 2: So my Time Out contenders, you know what. Oh, I
Speaker 2: also have to shout out by the way, Jay calling
Speaker 2: you Manuel Dracula. That was hilarious when he was like
Speaker 2: he was like, you angered Dracula. Now, usually I would
Speaker 2: give nominees for my time Out, but this time, I'm
Speaker 2: not even gonna waste your time with this. It's Corey.
Speaker 2: Obviously Corey needs to not just sit down. He needs
Speaker 2: to lay down, just at this point, late down. I
Speaker 2: love what Melissa said, which is like, look, even if
Speaker 2: it's a game, even if you know you don't like
Speaker 2: certain people or do whatever. Everyone in that house is
Speaker 2: still a human being, period, full stop. Everyone is still
Speaker 2: a human Everyone has still gone through things, everyone still
Speaker 2: has feelings, and there's no reason to rub it into
Speaker 2: that degree, especially when they do the same way when
Speaker 2: Melissa and Big T were trying to solicit Ed to
Speaker 2: be on their what you McCall their imaginer your lines,
Speaker 2: and Ed was like, yeah, cool, I'm like hearing him
Speaker 2: out and then he's like, no, I'm not gonna really
Speaker 2: do it. But he wasn't mean to them right, Like
Speaker 2: he wasn't like, you guys are dumb, this is stupid,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Like he gave them space, and so
Speaker 2: seeing Corey treat them that way is really terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: time out of the Week and is a top contender
Speaker 2: for Time Out of the season.
Speaker 1: He got my Time Out of the Week as well.
Speaker 1: And the crazy part is at the time he had
Speaker 1: me in the first half at the top of his speech,
Speaker 1: I was with him when he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: there are other people's names who've been said, and there's
Speaker 1: other guys, so so you don't want to say any
Speaker 1: other guys like so on and stuff. I was with
Speaker 1: I was riding the train with him, and then he
Speaker 1: took a sharp left and I was like, come on, Corey,
Speaker 1: like what's going on? And then when he stuck his
Speaker 1: tongue out, I cringed. When I say, I cringe, like
Speaker 1: I've never cringed before. I cringed because what was that about?
Speaker 1: But then kind of it goes back to what you
Speaker 1: were saying, like okay, like you're putting on right now
Speaker 1: because that was so unnecessary. It was so unnecessary. And
Speaker 1: then the way he did it, it wasn't even like a
Speaker 1: you know, you know how people stick out their tongue,
Speaker 1: it's like a smoothness to it. It was like very
Speaker 1: forced and very like and seen so juvenile, like.
Speaker 2: He does childlike behavior, and it's it's absolutely just it's
Speaker 2: just awful. It's worth that red leather jacket thing if
Speaker 2: he's been wearing.
Speaker 1: It's really thriller. Is not in a good way.
Speaker 2: It's really bad and it's so misguided and not cool.
Speaker 2: And if he really thought that that was gonna make
Speaker 2: people save him, then dude, you just look like a dumbass.
Speaker 2: There it is there, we said it. You just look
Speaker 2: like an idiot because they had no you threw these
Speaker 2: kind people under the bus, and everybody else had no
Speaker 2: problem throwing you under the bus and know that it's
Speaker 2: not gonna make anyone trust you more. That's gonna make
Speaker 2: you seem like a psychopath. Which hopefully he next time
Speaker 2: will be on a season with Chauncey p. Jordan, because
Speaker 2: then when Chauncey and deliberation has another one of those
Speaker 2: who have I ever burned or offended at a moment,
Speaker 2: hopefully everybody will actually just reignite their experience with Corey
Speaker 2: and then Chauncey'll be safe. So maybe like that can
Speaker 2: work out for Chauncey in the future. But just it
Speaker 2: was just terrible. I thought I was gonna be most
Speaker 2: mad about Callum and his lives, but his girlfriend and.
Speaker 1: Corey managed to He said, hoh my beer.
Speaker 2: Yeah he sure did, He sure did. Sure, he said,
Speaker 2: hold my red leather jacket. So those are the people
Speaker 2: that we liked and the people who got on our
Speaker 2: nerves for this week. Now we're gonna take a quick break,
Speaker 2: but we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: You know what, Devin, I'm glad I got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to just talk to you today because there was so
Speaker 1: much to unpack in this episode. I don't think I
Speaker 1: needed a third party. I just wanted to talk to.
Speaker 2: You, same girl, same. It's good to get it off
Speaker 2: your chest sometimes for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, where can the people find you on the socials?
Speaker 2: If you want to get it off your chest, then
Speaker 2: you can find me on Instagram. You can actually go
Speaker 2: to my website devinsimone dot com Devin with the y
Speaker 2: Smoth and I score to the bottom. You will see
Speaker 2: my socials. I'm most active on Instagram. Feel free to
Speaker 2: dm me Twitter as well. You can go look up
Speaker 2: that thing I was talking about about you Manuel Tori
Speaker 2: on a Twitter account and TikTok to occasionally and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: day where can they find you?
Speaker 1: You know what? For today? You can find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter at day Davion Underscore, Instagram Davion Diane Underscore, and
Speaker 1: TikTok at Day Diane Underscore. You can find me in
Speaker 1: those places today.
Speaker 2: You can also find her in the club. Here we go, balafio,
Speaker 2: bub I got what you need. I don't know we're
Speaker 2: having momy. I told you I still I'm still of
Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving food. It is the season. I love it
Speaker 2: and I love that we're going to spend you spending
Speaker 2: all season with you. Guys. Thank you so much for
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