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Speaker 1: We are the office Deep Dive, and as always it
Speaker 1: is me your host, Brian Baumgartner. I'm glad you made it. Why, well,
Speaker 1: because today I would like to continue on the theme
Speaker 1: of last week's best of, because I want to give
Speaker 1: the best to the best. That's right, I'm saying you're
Speaker 1: the best, and I am here to bring you more
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments from my last round of interviews.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a journey featuring some of your
Speaker 1: favorite Office cast and crew. So buckle up, dry put on,
Speaker 1: get ready to dive in, and we're better to start
Speaker 1: than with the man who's been described as a teacher,
Speaker 1: a mentor, a role model, the Office Dad, and of
Speaker 1: course the world's best boss. Here is Steve Carrell on
Speaker 1: who Michael Scott is and what the Office would be
Speaker 1: like today. Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and
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Speaker 1: over from the night before. Do you, as an actor
Speaker 1: do you always search for the good and the character
Speaker 1: that you're portraying. Sure? I think you have to do to,
Speaker 1: as otherwise you're just demonizing or judging the people that
Speaker 1: you're playing. And if you're judging a character that you're playing,
Speaker 1: you're gonna play it differently. You don't want to editorialize
Speaker 1: about a character plan. I think I think Michael's decent,
Speaker 1: a decent dude with a lot of heart, but he's
Speaker 1: so based on his childhood, based on all sorts of
Speaker 1: things and things that he had lacked growing up, things
Speaker 1: that he was I felt he was deprived of. He
Speaker 1: was so hungry for acceptance. But I don't think he
Speaker 1: had the strongest templates in the world to go by.
Speaker 1: But I think he also learned and evolved and um
Speaker 1: became a better person along the way. And he was
Speaker 1: just a bit a bit myopic and became more aware.
Speaker 1: Once he sort of was able to start stepping outside
Speaker 1: of himself in his own little eccentricities, he could see
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the world around him. I
Speaker 1: think one of the things about Michael is he's actually
Speaker 1: this and in terms of my interpretation of him, I
Speaker 1: feel like he would look out at all the people
Speaker 1: who worked with him, and it's like he would put
Speaker 1: his foot in his mouth all the time. But in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I don't think he ever valued
Speaker 1: one person or type of person over any other. And
Speaker 1: in that way, I think he was very pure character
Speaker 1: because he's very dumb in terms of political correctness and
Speaker 1: being appropriate in public. But at the same time, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think there was hardness in his heart
Speaker 1: towards anyone. I agree with that. He I think a
Speaker 1: person with an enormously good, kind heart, who lacked a
Speaker 1: great deal of information about the world around him and
Speaker 1: was as a sleep in a woke world as you
Speaker 1: could be, but trying his best, trying his best. And
Speaker 1: actually there's a difference between being intolerant and being ignorant,
Speaker 1: and and sometimes intolerance and ignorance go hand in hand,
Speaker 1: for sure they do. But I think he was a
Speaker 1: decent human being. Really, he just didn't get it all
Speaker 1: the time. Um, the show was happening my mom and dad,
Speaker 1: they had friends and they would say, we can't watch
Speaker 1: that show like that, Michael Scott, he key makes me
Speaker 1: too uncomfortable. I can't watch that. And I always felt
Speaker 1: that this was came from a place of deep and
Speaker 1: security or like misogynistic or racist or homophobic feelings within themselves,
Speaker 1: like that's why it was uncomfortable at times. And then
Speaker 1: you came out thanks a lot for saying this. I
Speaker 1: get asked about it all the time that the show
Speaker 1: could never be made. Now, this was not exactly what
Speaker 1: I said. Okay, well, that's great because I have always
Speaker 1: said that I thought that Steve was misquoted in this yas.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if it could be
Speaker 1: made now. Maybe it could. I guess my point was
Speaker 1: that I think what I was trying to say was
Speaker 1: that that exact same show probably wouldn't be made today,
Speaker 1: but with the same components, the same actors, the same writers.
Speaker 1: If it were to come back, it would evolve into
Speaker 1: the version of what we did back then. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the writing would be a bit different in
Speaker 1: today's climate, but I don't think it would be any
Speaker 1: less insightful. I don't think it would be any less
Speaker 1: smart or any less funny. It would just be different,
Speaker 1: that's all. And I do think it would be different,
Speaker 1: and I think, I mean, Michael Scott would be much
Speaker 1: more tuned into what it is to be woke. He
Speaker 1: would not understand it necessarily, but he would be. The
Speaker 1: comedy would be coming from his struggle to understand and
Speaker 1: fit into the world as we know it today, because
Speaker 1: the world as we knew it fifteen years ago is
Speaker 1: different than it is today. But you know, you take
Speaker 1: that same character who is trying to speak the language
Speaker 1: of modern times. That can be very funny, but it
Speaker 1: would just be different. It would just be a different
Speaker 1: set of rules for today. But I don't know. I um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know. I think it's easy to say
Speaker 1: that you can't be funny, you can't do comedy this
Speaker 1: day and age. I think that's a bit of a
Speaker 1: cop out because every you know, every time you turn around,
Speaker 1: there is somebody coming up with something that is of
Speaker 1: the time and inventive and doesn't shirk away from our
Speaker 1: responsibility to look in the mirror. I think it just
Speaker 1: I think it just takes a level of intelligence to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Now, Steve may be kind
Speaker 1: and self reflective and understanding, but Michael Scott wasn't always,
Speaker 1: at least not to one particular h R rep. So
Speaker 1: when it was time for me to talk to Paul Lieberstein,
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to ask him about being the man
Speaker 1: that everyone loved to hate. There's another relationship that I
Speaker 1: think was maybe my favorite in the show. Will you
Speaker 1: play that clip? Why are you the way that you are? Honestly,
Speaker 1: every time I try to do something fun or exciting,
Speaker 1: you make it not that way. I hate so much
Speaker 1: about the things that you choose to be. I mean
Speaker 1: that when was the idea for that born? It wasn't
Speaker 1: born in diversity. Steve wrote that speech. Yeah, he hated
Speaker 1: And when I was watching some of those things last night,
Speaker 1: I mean his face anytime he is looking at you
Speaker 1: and angry at you in a way is completely trans
Speaker 1: He almost looks like a different person, and he's his energy.
Speaker 1: And at one point he's like, I hate your lemon
Speaker 1: head or it's just like crazy, it's like I'm a
Speaker 1: Nazi and he thinks he's doing a service to the
Speaker 1: world by hating me. Well that, well, that's the other
Speaker 1: famous one, right, Like if I had two bullets and
Speaker 1: there was Hitler, Ben Laden and Toby, I would use
Speaker 1: both bullets and kill Toby. I think it happened in
Speaker 1: Meredith's birthday and we all had to sign that card.
Speaker 1: So I just had to go in and said, oh,
Speaker 1: can I have a card and sign something really quickly
Speaker 1: and leave, and he would just watch me do it
Speaker 1: the whole time, take after takeing he was just standing
Speaker 1: there watching and he told me afterwards that he felt
Speaker 1: like the hate for me just just well up inside
Speaker 1: him during these takes, so it was so from that moment.
Speaker 1: Is that why you guys decided to write that story
Speaker 1: in or to continue that. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: it he would come from Steve. I think the power
Speaker 1: of it came from Steve, you know, and he would
Speaker 1: always do more. Even starting with Diversity Day, he was
Speaker 1: just supposed to say he would, you know, get out
Speaker 1: or something like that, but he did more. He relished
Speaker 1: the moment and played with it. And I think he
Speaker 1: continues to do that. And really, you know, when we
Speaker 1: had these thirty six minute cuts and had to decide
Speaker 1: what would stay, when Steve loved something, he the performance
Speaker 1: would be amazing. And I think that's what helped so
Speaker 1: much of the Toby Michael stuff stay right. Just his
Speaker 1: pure power and just the pure power of his like, yeah,
Speaker 1: being being there, corral genius. Oh yes, the power of hatred.
Speaker 1: Never thought I'd say that on this podcast. But Toby
Speaker 1: wasn't the only thing that brought out the best in Steve.
Speaker 1: He was so consistently, so amazing to work with, every scene,
Speaker 1: every day. Here's what Craig Robinson had to say Darrell's
Speaker 1: relationship with Michael in the show. It was a very
Speaker 1: like he kept coming to you for advice, particularly on culture.
Speaker 1: It was a very very funny dynamic. What was your
Speaker 1: experience working with Steve? He's the greatest. The way he
Speaker 1: could turn it comedy button off and on like a falsett.
Speaker 1: It was just genius to me. Whenever I had a
Speaker 1: scene with him on and I was like titilation, you know,
Speaker 1: very exciting, and I learned from him, stole from him
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, it's funny that you said. You
Speaker 1: said that because I thought you were going to say
Speaker 1: something else, which I think is also true. Is part
Speaker 1: of his genius is how he turns so quick, even
Speaker 1: within a scene, you know what I mean, Like he
Speaker 1: is he is fighting down one path and something may
Speaker 1: happen and he just turns it like that and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, ultimate scene part of two. He listens and
Speaker 1: reacts two. You know what's going on? Like we had
Speaker 1: a scene I didn't even really notice until it aired.
Speaker 1: It was a negotiation. It might be my favorite episode
Speaker 1: just because of the work I did with Steve and
Speaker 1: being able to play with him like that. It was
Speaker 1: the scene where he's like, I'm not going to speak first,
Speaker 1: like to trying to speak first. So we did a
Speaker 1: couple of takes and it was fine. Uh, And then
Speaker 1: he did his next take and he's making these faces
Speaker 1: and if you look closely, you could see Meet started
Speaker 1: crack a smile on that. But it was just like,
Speaker 1: without even speaking, he could, you know, pull this out
Speaker 1: of you the laughter, like, oh, he's about to get me.
Speaker 1: But also in that episode, when I was saying, uh,
Speaker 1: when he listens and you know, like the perfect improvisation partner,
Speaker 1: you're listening to take it to the next level. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, getting rage from jan I said,
Speaker 1: make it happen, Captain, he said, I will, Sergeant God amazing.
Speaker 1: Do you think that your relationship with him evolved throughout
Speaker 1: the show? Yeah, but I think everybody's everybody evolved in
Speaker 1: this show. Everybody I went through character development. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that makes it what it is.
Speaker 1: People got to know these people, right. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think every every situation evolved to something. I mean, you
Speaker 1: started out and your episodes were mainly about like the
Speaker 1: office versus the warehouse, whether directly in basketball or like
Speaker 1: a weird class thing where you have like the white
Speaker 1: collar and the blue collar talk to me about the
Speaker 1: transition for you character wise or as an actor of
Speaker 1: you finally coming up and being a regular part of
Speaker 1: like the Bullpen characterized, Um, it felt like like it
Speaker 1: did in real life, like oh many and making you
Speaker 1: a regular, you know what I'm saying. So definitely a
Speaker 1: move on up for Craig Infidary, you know. And it
Speaker 1: was like more responsibility. And Rain used to say I
Speaker 1: had the sweetest schedule in Hollywood because I would come
Speaker 1: in for like an episode here and then four weeks
Speaker 1: later come into the Christmas episode. But yeah, characterized it was,
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, step up, Okay, let's starting to see,
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Speaker 1: your podcast. Look, I know I've said it a million times,
Speaker 1: so it should go without saying that we all loved
Speaker 1: working with Steve, but there was a time when we
Speaker 1: didn't get to do that anymore. That was a bit
Speaker 1: of a shock for us. We were excited and we
Speaker 1: trusted the process, but we were all scared too, and
Speaker 1: we all dealt with it differently. Kate Flannery talked to
Speaker 1: me about her how do I say, her particular process
Speaker 1: of handling the news the day she heard it. What
Speaker 1: do you remember about finding out that Steve was leaving?
Speaker 1: I literally was with Creed. We were on the side
Speaker 1: of the office doing like a satellite press junket um
Speaker 1: and we and then announced it that morning, so every
Speaker 1: venue wanted to talk about it. I was like wow,
Speaker 1: because of course it was emotional. I mean, who are
Speaker 1: we We're not? I mean, if Michael Scott, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Scott is thunder revealing he is the office. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I was so freaked out, And literally I told Creed
Speaker 1: him like, Okay, anytime they talk about this, just just
Speaker 1: pretend like we can't hear the feet, Like I think
Speaker 1: the feed's going, I'm sorry, getting some interference. What was
Speaker 1: the question? Wishing him all the best? Like I we
Speaker 1: had this little thing where we would figure out how
Speaker 1: to get out of the conversation. So but I was
Speaker 1: I was definitely freaked out. And I mean, the great thing,
Speaker 1: the great thing about our show is that I feel
Speaker 1: like Greg Daniels is so trustworthy and I feel like
Speaker 1: he's picked so many great writers, and I feel like
Speaker 1: if anything could have survived a couple more years without
Speaker 1: step Growl, it was because of Greg Daniels. But I
Speaker 1: was nervous. I was, and I was nervous about Spader
Speaker 1: um just because he's not a comedy guy. And he's brilliant,
Speaker 1: but he's not a comedy guy. And I kind of
Speaker 1: had this whole thing like, oh no, he's holding the baby.
Speaker 1: He's gonna drop the baby. Don't drop the baby. And
Speaker 1: also I was intimidated because he's he's like a movie
Speaker 1: star and I had seen so many all of his
Speaker 1: movies and you know, and there was so much sexual
Speaker 1: tension between the two of us, so much watch but
Speaker 1: I felt like there was sexual tension between me and Spade.
Speaker 1: They're they're probably even more even more seriously, Spader, he
Speaker 1: liked anyone right, there's sexual things. Um the season eight
Speaker 1: Christmas episode, there was one take where he's sort of
Speaker 1: like Meredith thinks she's actually made me, gonna go to
Speaker 1: dinner with them or something like that, she's got a
Speaker 1: chance with him, and he sort of touches her cheeks
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, and she goes to hug me,
Speaker 1: and I literally, one take I grabbed his ass and
Speaker 1: then I was like, immediately when we stop, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, oh my god, he goes, No,
Speaker 1: he goes. That was the right thing to do. En
Speaker 1: end up using it, but I was like, don't grab
Speaker 1: James Spader's Ask Kate what theming. I was so nervous.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, oh no, oh no, Hey listen,
Speaker 1: Navigating onset relationships can be weird for anyone, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't help when you're playing Meredith Palmer. But hey,
Speaker 1: sounds like he was a okay with your decisions, Kate. Now,
Speaker 1: when Jenna sat down with me, we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about her own relationships with the cast, In particular, Pam's
Speaker 1: relationship with Dwight and her personal relationship with Rain. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I talked again about sort of that emotional core.
Speaker 1: Dwight talk to me a little bit about the relationship
Speaker 1: between the two of you and how that changed and evolved.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were with Jim adversaries and made you
Speaker 1: crazy forever, and then ultimately by the end, he says
Speaker 1: that you're his best friend. Dwight does Dwight does know.
Speaker 1: I think it's that first episode the Injury, when Pam
Speaker 1: has that line, Dwight is kind of my friend. But
Speaker 1: I think there's other things. You know, Jim and Pam
Speaker 1: spends so much time teasing Dwight, and I think even
Speaker 1: go too far. A few times. In my rewatching of
Speaker 1: the show, I think there's a few times when we're
Speaker 1: we're like, actually a little cruel to him that makes
Speaker 1: me cringe and I feel like, oh, that wasn't our
Speaker 1: best moment. But I appreciate because we allow our characters too.
Speaker 1: We don't all every day have perfect moments, right. But
Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to think about Pam's relationship
Speaker 1: with Dwight without thinking about my relationship to Rain. Rain
Speaker 1: is a deeply soulful person. He's also like a curmudgeon
Speaker 1: ly old man. He's really cranky sometimes and on set
Speaker 1: he would feel larious. Do you remember the time? Do
Speaker 1: you remember the he declared, Oh my god, it was
Speaker 1: so funny. We were getting ready to shoot and he said,
Speaker 1: hold on, wait, just hold on, everybody, hold on for
Speaker 1: a second. I have an announcement. Everyone on Monday's you
Speaker 1: do not need to ask me how my weekend was anymore?
Speaker 1: All right, every single person asked me how my weekend was.
Speaker 1: Just assume it was fine. We were like, where is
Speaker 1: this gummy from right? And I talked to him about this,
Speaker 1: and he goes, Jenna, that is not true. I said
Speaker 1: that on a Tuesday. I said, only asked me how
Speaker 1: my weekend was on Mondays. No more of this bleeding
Speaker 1: into Tuesday Mondays. And he went crazy because you and
Speaker 1: I know what he was talking about, because it's five
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and every single person that you
Speaker 1: passed is like, hello, good morning, how was your weekend?
Speaker 1: And he what he was saying was like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to talk to me. We just saw each other
Speaker 1: on Friday night. We're good, We're good. Yes, it's so true.
Speaker 1: So he would be like that guy on this set.
Speaker 1: It was like so funny, But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: in moments of deep crisis, I have phoned him. I
Speaker 1: had a job offer that was going to take me
Speaker 1: out of town and would uproot my family for a
Speaker 1: period of time that I really wrestled with the decision.
Speaker 1: I called him and he counseled me. He is he
Speaker 1: has that in him, a type of counselor, and I
Speaker 1: value him so deeply in my life. But then like
Speaker 1: like he'll call me up and he'll be like, do
Speaker 1: you want to go to lunch? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, because you sound like you want to go
Speaker 1: so bad, like is it a chore or do you
Speaker 1: want to go? Just like no, I want to lunch
Speaker 1: with you, Like all right, let's go to lunch. And
Speaker 1: then you go to lunch, and I was just sort
Speaker 1: of like, are you liking our lunch? Are we having
Speaker 1: a good lunch? How are you tell me about you?
Speaker 1: And all so funny, But then like if I were
Speaker 1: to do you know what I mean? So it's very
Speaker 1: much like the Pam Dwight where Pam will like be like,
Speaker 1: oh I love Dwight. I'm gonna go say something nice
Speaker 1: to him, and then he'll just be like, Pam, something
Speaker 1: about knives, something about snakes or bears, and she's like, yeah, okay, right, okay.
Speaker 1: But so I guess, um, I feel deeply loved by Rain,
Speaker 1: and I think Pam fell deeply loved by Dwight as well.
Speaker 1: Like they had a real bond, They really cared for
Speaker 1: one another eventually eventually. Yeah. Well, and it's similar to
Speaker 1: your relationship with Michael, right, I mean from where that
Speaker 1: relationship started and him fake firing you to him leaving
Speaker 1: and you you having sort of that final moment with him. Um,
Speaker 1: what did he say to you? Well, it wasn't so
Speaker 1: much what he said to me. Um. Paul Fie directed
Speaker 1: that episode Goodbye Michael, and Uh. We were at the
Speaker 1: airport and Paul Fique sa, Jenna, I want you to
Speaker 1: just run up and just say goodbye to Steve, your
Speaker 1: friend Steve. This is your last scene with him, so
Speaker 1: say goodbye. We're not going to use the sound, We're
Speaker 1: just going to have a spy shot on you. So
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, So I ran up to Steve and
Speaker 1: I just told him all the ways I was going
Speaker 1: to miss him and how grateful I was for his
Speaker 1: friendship and the privilege of working with him. And I'm
Speaker 1: sobbing and he's sobbing and we're hugging and and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to let him go and I didn't want
Speaker 1: the scene to end. And then finally paulfy you know,
Speaker 1: says cut and he was like, Jenna, that was that
Speaker 1: was brilliant. Can you do it again? But just a
Speaker 1: little faster because it had been like five minutes. He
Speaker 1: was like, we just need to tighten it up a
Speaker 1: little because they wanted him to actually work away and
Speaker 1: they had one camera. There was only one shot. It
Speaker 1: wasn't honor that they couldn't edit. That is so great.
Speaker 1: I was like, just tighten it up a little. But sweetie,
Speaker 1: great talk becauess he could tell I was like, sobbing. Well,
Speaker 1: if that's not an indication of how much we all
Speaker 1: meant to each other, well then maybe this next clip
Speaker 1: will be. Claire Scanlon wasn't part of the cast, but
Speaker 1: she was an essential part of our crew, starting out
Speaker 1: as an editor and moving on to directing episodes of
Speaker 1: the show, and she certainly felt the love we had
Speaker 1: for each other. So you learned to edit scripted shows
Speaker 1: on the office, but really coming from you know, documentary,
Speaker 1: specifically comedy documentaries. This felt comfortable. Yeah. And also, by
Speaker 1: the way, like that same camaraderie that led to such
Speaker 1: a strong ensemble, it extended through I remember talking to
Speaker 1: John about this one time and we were just sitting
Speaker 1: I think he directed an episode. You know, I was ahead,
Speaker 1: so I would come to set bick John, I think
Speaker 1: you need to get this shot, you know, like you
Speaker 1: need to get this because otherwise how do we It
Speaker 1: was the bulldozer Rain was taking a bulldozer in the
Speaker 1: warehouse and smashing it to the wall, and you needed
Speaker 1: the reverse and and I was like, I think you
Speaker 1: need that reverse and we were in there and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no ego, Like it was fine for me
Speaker 1: to tell John and he needed this shot. Like I
Speaker 1: would come to set a lot, Dave would come to
Speaker 1: set a lot and there was like that's not normal,
Speaker 1: like that you always are inviting that. By the way,
Speaker 1: I always asked the editor to come to set. Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't I want an extra pair of eyes that might
Speaker 1: be catching something because I'm in the thick of it
Speaker 1: with five other questions, like why wouldn't I want someone
Speaker 1: having my back? It's just a lovely thing to have.
Speaker 1: It's not about ego or power being a no tour,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing. First of all. But with John,
Speaker 1: we were cutting his episode and I remember just being
Speaker 1: like this is such a cool place to work, like
Speaker 1: being just truly grateful. And I was like, I am
Speaker 1: happy to come in here every day. And I was
Speaker 1: like He's like yeah, He's like, there's not one person
Speaker 1: like that you want to like put your head down
Speaker 1: when you see them walking down the hall. He's like,
Speaker 1: there's not one person that I'm like avoid, like where
Speaker 1: you're like in high school or your first job or something,
Speaker 1: or like that person sucks. He's like, there's not one.
Speaker 1: There were over a hundred people there and he couldn't
Speaker 1: come and we, by the way, we were totally gossiping,
Speaker 1: like he could have told me that there was no
Speaker 1: reason that there's no I mean, I wouldn't tell this
Speaker 1: story if he actually named somebody, like but like we
Speaker 1: were like, come on, there's got to be somebody. Like
Speaker 1: everyone had their charm, you know, like everyone had the quirks,
Speaker 1: their piccadillos. Greg could drive me crazy and I would
Speaker 1: talk to him about it, but like that's crazy right there,
Speaker 1: like the show runner could drive me crazy, and then
Speaker 1: I could say, Greg, you're driving me crazy. Like I
Speaker 1: remember on the finale, there was this whole tangent and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll remember this about planting a tree. Andy
Speaker 1: sees the tree in the office and says that tree planty. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: Planty has been in here all its life. We've got
Speaker 1: to set Planty free. And you guys go out to
Speaker 1: the parking lot, you plant planty, and then you go
Speaker 1: all the way back up to the office and then
Speaker 1: the ending and you hug, and then you go to
Speaker 1: the parking lot and you go to your respective cars,
Speaker 1: and that's truly the end of leaving dunder Mifflin and um.
Speaker 1: I was writing notes down and we were over time
Speaker 1: for the finale, and we were all Greg was incredibly emotional,
Speaker 1: but doing that guy thing where you don't let on
Speaker 1: that you're emotional, so you're just kind of weird, you know,
Speaker 1: like where you're just like heretic and sometimes irrational, but
Speaker 1: like what you really want to say is I'm really sad,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to say those words because you're
Speaker 1: a guy. So I was just taking out notes. We
Speaker 1: were too long and I had already pitched to cut Planty,
Speaker 1: and I truly believed he said, okay, while we tried
Speaker 1: cutting Planty, and I wrote it down and I did it,
Speaker 1: and it was better because not because that whole storyline
Speaker 1: wasn't interesting, but it was just almost just the physicality
Speaker 1: of being in the office, having Creed play the song
Speaker 1: and then taking Planting down to Parking Latin, and it
Speaker 1: was like a hiccup to something wonderful. You didn't need
Speaker 1: that hiccup. It just it was just an unnecessary extra beat.
Speaker 1: As sweet and poignant as it was, there were already
Speaker 1: like ten sweet and poignant moments that were happening with
Speaker 1: Creed song, and too much poignancy diluted what was there.
Speaker 1: So I cut Planting and Howard happened to be walking by,
Speaker 1: and I showed it to Howard, and Greg's assistant Alyssa,
Speaker 1: was also walking by, and I showed it to her,
Speaker 1: and they both separately went to Greg and said, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's so much better without Planting, And he
Speaker 1: came storming into my bay and he said, you put
Speaker 1: that back in? How dare you? I never you're sabotaging me.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get and I was like what he
Speaker 1: was at a hundred? I was like, bring it down.
Speaker 1: I said, first of all, I would never intentionally do
Speaker 1: something to sabotage you. That I was like, if you
Speaker 1: don't know that about me by now, I am just
Speaker 1: I am not that personal. I'm just I don't even
Speaker 1: think I could sabotage someone if I try. Like if
Speaker 1: that was my goal, I said, you created this show.
Speaker 1: I am here to service what you created and help
Speaker 1: you realize what you want. And he calmed down, like
Speaker 1: he was like, so first, let's get this paranoia out
Speaker 1: as that they happened to be walking by, which was
Speaker 1: true on both counts. They have maybe and that would
Speaker 1: happen all the time. By the way, we would just
Speaker 1: be wide by whether doors open, because it would get
Speaker 1: in sufferably hot and interesting things that I would walk
Speaker 1: by a people's bays and poke my head. And it
Speaker 1: was just a very inclusive environment. When people are waiting
Speaker 1: for their next scene and they were born of being
Speaker 1: in their trailer, they'd come and show me something and
Speaker 1: it wasn't show me myself. It was like, hey, what
Speaker 1: you got that's funny? Show me a funny scene, Like
Speaker 1: I just want to see what's going on in the show,
Speaker 1: like actors would come in all the time. So he said, okay,
Speaker 1: well show me, and then I showed it to him
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, leave it out. But like it
Speaker 1: was like I had to talk him off allege. I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes him so interesting is he does
Speaker 1: clearly have and I think it was for the better
Speaker 1: ultimately for the show. This I don't want to say
Speaker 1: inferiority complex, but this like someone's always going to try
Speaker 1: to get one over on me kind of thing going on,
Speaker 1: Like and you're just you almost have to, like like
Speaker 1: with every coworker and or boss, I think you kind
Speaker 1: of have to just to really get to know their psychology.
Speaker 1: And you're working with this, you know, pound Gorilla Greg Daniels,
Speaker 1: who's so so so smart and so funny that like
Speaker 1: to stand up to him require some hot spun your
Speaker 1: own and it's kind of empowering. And I always did it.
Speaker 1: I didn't always, you know, I had confidence in what
Speaker 1: he had created, so I wanted to make sure it
Speaker 1: was the best version of what was written and acted.
Speaker 1: And I'd make good arguments and then he'd make great
Speaker 1: counter argument. We have a really good discourse to get
Speaker 1: to lock and I think that was also very unique
Speaker 1: and special. You know, I always have Greg in my
Speaker 1: head when I'm directing, because I heard his opinion on
Speaker 1: everybody else's, you know, as an editor, I heard what
Speaker 1: he thought of every director, and he thought the world
Speaker 1: of many and then like sometimes he'd be like, how
Speaker 1: could they not have gotten that? Like and I always
Speaker 1: in my mind, like, let's just do one more, like
Speaker 1: thinking like what didn't I get? What would Greg be like,
Speaker 1: how can they gotten that? You know, I always want
Speaker 1: to have that showrunner in the back of my head
Speaker 1: saying and that show runner's voice, because Greg was my
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Speaker 1: l H. You know, I don't think that there's a
Speaker 1: single person who worked on the office that hasn't been
Speaker 1: forever changed by it. When we started, we were all
Speaker 1: just trying to find our footing right and then we
Speaker 1: created this beautiful thing together that we were all so
Speaker 1: proud of. Here's Phillis on what it was like when
Speaker 1: the day we were dreading finally came. You know, when
Speaker 1: you you talked about when the show ended in after
Speaker 1: the ninth season, that was a tough tough night, especially
Speaker 1: when Creed started singing. But for me, it was really
Speaker 1: tough like months later after the show had ended and
Speaker 1: we generally would go back to work around July or August.
Speaker 1: That's when it set in that oh, this is life's
Speaker 1: different now, you know, we're not going back. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: I sat down with Greg before that last season or
Speaker 1: moving into the finale and we started talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: my life's journey at that point through the office and Kevin,
Speaker 1: and my experience was um people feeling like they knew
Speaker 1: me and specifically feeling like I was the guy that
Speaker 1: they wanted to get a drink with, and I would.
Speaker 1: I said something to him like Greg, I can't go
Speaker 1: into a bar without getting bought multiple drinks. Like they
Speaker 1: just come to the point I say no, I'm good, No,
Speaker 1: thank you, no, I'm good. Now, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: stop now. Guys, at least people that call you Kevin,
Speaker 1: you know that they know you from this show. You
Speaker 1: me when people say Phyllis, I have to think for
Speaker 1: a moment, Okay, do I have our paths crossed for
Speaker 1: a moment, do I know you? Or But in reality
Speaker 1: I do know them or they know me because I've
Speaker 1: been in their bedroom, in their living room, in their kitchen,
Speaker 1: and before they go to work and as they go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and so we are a part of our
Speaker 1: fans lives, you know, absolutely, But at least you can
Speaker 1: decipher yours a little better with Kevin and and Brian,
Speaker 1: That's true. I've never thought about that before Phyllis or
Speaker 1: Creed or Oscar or Angela. Yeah, and especially if they say,
Speaker 1: oh I saw you, and I'm thinking, okay, now did
Speaker 1: I you know, did I go to school with them
Speaker 1: or what? Right? That's actually the most difficult. Well, I
Speaker 1: have two difficult fan interactions. One is I'll be at
Speaker 1: a at a serious place of business, like like in
Speaker 1: a thing, and I'm meeting someone. Or I have a
Speaker 1: good friend who's introducing me to a good friend who
Speaker 1: says like, oh, we've met before, right, And I immediately go, no,
Speaker 1: I know we haven't, and I know why you think
Speaker 1: that we've met before. But then to say that, you
Speaker 1: become like, I don't know, You're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was on a television show, you know, like so
Speaker 1: this is an actual thing, you guys. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's fiction blurring with reality or what. But a
Speaker 1: lot of people confuse us for their real life friends.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we should we shouldn't be friends,
Speaker 1: or we wouldn't be friends. I'm just saying that I
Speaker 1: have never met you before. When I talked to John,
Speaker 1: he had some really great insight as to why this
Speaker 1: phenomenon continues to take place. You obviously wildly successful. When
Speaker 1: people approach you, now, what percentage of it is about
Speaker 1: the office? Oh? Large majority. Again, I think it's the
Speaker 1: difference between fans who feel like they're a part of
Speaker 1: something and fans who have watched something. I think there's
Speaker 1: very few things that I watched when I was a
Speaker 1: kid that I felt so connected to. It was more like, oh,
Speaker 1: I like the movie ET, But there were very few
Speaker 1: things that I felt like if I ever saw that person,
Speaker 1: we shared a life moment together. Had I ever met
Speaker 1: Chris Farley, I would have said that because I watched
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy so many times that he didn't know he
Speaker 1: was my best friend, but he was my best friend.
Speaker 1: So I think that thing is like I shared so
Speaker 1: much in my life with that show. That's why I
Speaker 1: think that people, you know, people have seen other things,
Speaker 1: which is great. Certainly recently, like I think Quiet Place
Speaker 1: in Jack Ryan people are coming up a lot more.
Speaker 1: But I I think our fans see me and instead
Speaker 1: of going up to an actor to get a picture
Speaker 1: or something, they're actually seeing a friend of theirs is
Speaker 1: my point, My long meandering point is no one looks
Speaker 1: at Jack Ryan. I was like, oh my god, my buddy,
Speaker 1: Jack Ryan, Oh my god, you're an actor. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize they do think that with Jim and I've had.
Speaker 1: My favorite experiences with fans is when they think we've
Speaker 1: gone to school together or something. That's my favorite. Like
Speaker 1: I I had one where a woman said we know
Speaker 1: each other and I said, Dowey and she goes, we
Speaker 1: went to school together and I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think we did, and she went, yes we did.
Speaker 1: And it was like that thing of like why am
Speaker 1: I being awkward about it? Where did you go to school?
Speaker 1: And she said some school and I went, I did
Speaker 1: not go to that school, and yes you did, and
Speaker 1: like I was like okay, And then I left and
Speaker 1: I could see that either someone else someone else has
Speaker 1: been like you don't know that person. You just thought
Speaker 1: that it was at the airport bookshop, and then through
Speaker 1: the window you saw them being like silence, being like,
Speaker 1: oh no, god. It was great. But I think that
Speaker 1: that's such a credit to the show that you don't
Speaker 1: just like the show, you actually think you know those people. Yes,
Speaker 1: because I I By the way, I'm not necessarily comparing
Speaker 1: you to Ted Danson in exactly the same way. No,
Speaker 1: but I just mean like ted Danson was doing a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and immediately after Cheers, but there was
Speaker 1: something about Cheers Sam alone that everything else not even
Speaker 1: that other things wouldn't have been as good or better.
Speaker 1: But Cheers was what I shared because there was a
Speaker 1: purity to that experience. You had watched your same with me.
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I grew up in Boston, like
Speaker 1: Cheers was a form of like television, religion or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will take a comparison to Ted Dance in anytime.
Speaker 1: Then I won't do that ago, God damn it. Here,
Speaker 1: put on these earphones. I want you to hear something.
Speaker 1: I'm playing something for everybody. Boy. Um, we should have
Speaker 1: had these on the whole time. I would have I
Speaker 1: would have changed my voice. Um, don't ever, ever, when
Speaker 1: I have an earphones on and I have your tone
Speaker 1: right in my ear, don't talk low like that. My
Speaker 1: voice slips and nope, I just have slips around. I
Speaker 1: don't like that in my hand. I don't like your
Speaker 1: voice slipping around in my ear. Um. We play clip
Speaker 1: six for me Clip six, I thought it was weird
Speaker 1: when you picked us to make a documentary, But all
Speaker 1: in all, I think an ordinary paper company like Dunder
Speaker 1: of Flynn was a great subject for a documentary. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of beauty and ordinary things. Isn't that kind
Speaker 1: of the point? So Greg wrote that clearly for him,
Speaker 1: that was the point. What did you think the point
Speaker 1: was the point of what shooting the show? Sorry, my
Speaker 1: brain just exploded again. Um. I think that that is
Speaker 1: so beautiful that writing, And I would only suspect that
Speaker 1: it came from someone who created the show, because someone
Speaker 1: who creates the show and doesn't just act on the
Speaker 1: show would have to have in their head at beginning,
Speaker 1: middle and end, and you're shooting for something, And I
Speaker 1: love that that's what he was shooting for. What are
Speaker 1: you most thankful for? Oh my god, everything? I mean,
Speaker 1: are you asking me as a person? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: without sounding hyperball, it is my everything. I mean that
Speaker 1: show changed my entire life twenty three when it started,
Speaker 1: so I hadn't even really formed an identity of who
Speaker 1: I was, and so that show not only from a
Speaker 1: career perspective where I've had more opportunity than I ever
Speaker 1: would have dreamt of having for one day, I have
Speaker 1: for an entire lifetime. Is all due to that show.
Speaker 1: I never would be doing any other thing that you've
Speaker 1: seen me do, writing, directing, acting, and something else if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for that show. But as a person, I
Speaker 1: think it sort of gave me this very quintessential building
Speaker 1: block that I got to stand on to build the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. Yeah, you're you're about to say,
Speaker 1: that's all crack of ship? No what what? What? What
Speaker 1: would you say? Well, I think it's very similar. I
Speaker 1: think I was processing what you were saying that because
Speaker 1: of the people who were working on it, not just
Speaker 1: the actors, but the writers who are like all showrunners
Speaker 1: now from the early season you know, yeah, extremely successful,
Speaker 1: fun good shows. It's but also our crew. Like you said,
Speaker 1: like you know again in a very probably lame cliche
Speaker 1: hallmark way, like I don't know that as a person
Speaker 1: I would be able to have the luxury forget you know,
Speaker 1: success or finance or anything. It's the luxury of being
Speaker 1: who I wanted to be. I didn't know who I
Speaker 1: wanted to be. And because of such a warm environment
Speaker 1: where if everyone had a color, people were splashing their
Speaker 1: experience and their colors all over me. I got exposed
Speaker 1: to everything I wanted to be and then got to
Speaker 1: choose to move forward with my life in a way
Speaker 1: that I not only didn't know existed, but that I
Speaker 1: could sustain. Like that you could, you could do fantastic
Speaker 1: fun stuff every day for ten years of your life.
Speaker 1: And genuinely, I've been asked, I'm sure you get asked
Speaker 1: all the time, what year were you guys all over it? Like?
Speaker 1: When were you guys? Like? We're over it? And I
Speaker 1: genuinely am trying not to look back with revisionist history.
Speaker 1: I don't remember one moment where I was like, such
Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, as far as jobs go, John, You're right,
Speaker 1: you can't beat it. And maybe that's obvious by now
Speaker 1: as I've spent the last couple of years putting together
Speaker 1: this love story to the office, but thinking back on
Speaker 1: the very end, our last moments working together as one big,
Speaker 1: happy family, there's no better way to bring me right
Speaker 1: back to that place the moment the show was ending.
Speaker 1: Then to listen to Creed Bratton sing all the faces
Speaker 1: before the finale? Did you have a conversation with Greg? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: he he called me uh, and you know, he'd asked everybody.
Speaker 1: He said, I want to know what your your feedback is,
Speaker 1: how do you think the character Creed should leave? And
Speaker 1: I told him, Uh, I thought it for a while,
Speaker 1: and I said, I think this is this song of mine.
Speaker 1: All the faces I could be at poor Richard's playing
Speaker 1: my guitar. You guys, the cast all walks in and
Speaker 1: I'm singing all the faces and uh, the camera comes
Speaker 1: in on each of you. And he said, I like
Speaker 1: that idea. That's the last I heard of it until
Speaker 1: the table read. And then I saw at that time
Speaker 1: and I almost cried, I literally and Brian, I want,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Looked around. There was my guitar. I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to sing that song until
Speaker 1: the table read. That was the first time I heard
Speaker 1: about it. They kept they kept it, They kept it
Speaker 1: just as a surprise. It was emotional. Wait, they they
Speaker 1: had your guitar. Yeah, now, the the p A went
Speaker 1: and got my guitar and had it there. And I
Speaker 1: looked around like this and I went on, I've seen
Speaker 1: reading the scripting, but oh my god, I'm gonna sing
Speaker 1: the song. And what there is gregs letting me sing
Speaker 1: my song and look around they're they're all they're standing
Speaker 1: bick they're smiling, and they've got my guitar. They planned this,
Speaker 1: you know, we play. Will you play a little bit
Speaker 1: for me? All right? Okay, I gotta turn my phone
Speaker 1: on just for second, guys, to tune up this axe.
Speaker 1: This is the guitar I used actually on the on
Speaker 1: the show. This this old Martin and John's a good story. John,
Speaker 1: we couldn't get the microphone on the think and then
Speaker 1: the shot so Krasinski said he'd hold this the shotgun.
Speaker 1: He had it under his arm when we were recording.
Speaker 1: You couldn't hide him, mind, You couldn't hide the mic
Speaker 1: for the guitar itself. And then John said, well, I'll
Speaker 1: just hold the shotgun mic U under my arm because
Speaker 1: he was the closest. He was the closest to me,
Speaker 1: and he was sitting there talking to looking over the
Speaker 1: bad but all the time he's holding it right there
Speaker 1: on the sound hole. He's a team player, right boy.
Speaker 1: We know that all right for you. I saw a
Speaker 1: friend to day. It had been a while and we
Speaker 1: forgot each other's names. But it didn't matter her accused.
Speaker 1: Deep inside feeling still remains we talked to of knowing
Speaker 1: one before you've met, how you feel more than you
Speaker 1: see in other worlds that lie spaces in between angels.
Speaker 1: We can see. All the faces that I know have
Speaker 1: that same familiar glue. I think I must have known
Speaker 1: them somewhere once, beef. All the faces that I know,
Speaker 1: and all the faces we seek each chennairvery day when
Speaker 1: we get home at night, there's one face we need.
Speaker 1: And when my mind's absorbed on my private little screen
Speaker 1: and I'm walking climbing through a sea of unknown men,
Speaker 1: I heard a voice reminded, they're across the street, walks
Speaker 1: an old forgotten friends, and we don't have to say
Speaker 1: a word. It's really better left unsaid, just light through
Speaker 1: ice that ragged nights. All the faces you know, all
Speaker 1: the faces I know, and while the faces we see
Speaker 1: each chen air day we would get home at night,
Speaker 1: there's one face we need, all the faces I see
Speaker 1: each chin air every day when I get home at night,
Speaker 1: the face I need when I get home at night.
Speaker 1: You're the only face I so great. There we go,
Speaker 1: so great, dude, Yeah it um, yeah, it gets me
Speaker 1: every time. Wow, it gets me every single time. Thank you, Creed,
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for being a part of this beautiful podcast.
Speaker 1: It has meant more to be than you will ever know.
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in once again and come back next
Speaker 1: week to hear from perhaps my most special guest of
Speaker 1: all you. I'll see you that the Office. Deep Dive
Speaker 1: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside
Speaker 1: our executive producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer.
Speaker 1: Our producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Topiar. My main
Speaker 1: man in the booth is Alec Moore. Our theme song
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great friend Cree Bratton,
Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by seth olandskiper Mama, what
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