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Listen to Trapped 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.040 in Treatment on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:21.000 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everybody, and welcome here. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.280 We are the office Deep Dive, and as always it 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:32.080 is me your host, Brian Baumgartner. I'm glad you made it. Why, well, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.840 because today I would like to continue on the theme 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.000 of last week's best of, because I want to give 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:45.320 the best to the best. That's right, I'm saying you're 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.040 the best, and I am here to bring you more 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.360 of my favorite moments from my last round of interviews. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.200 It's going to be a journey featuring some of your 0:02:55.240 --> 0:03:00.440 favorite Office cast and crew. So buckle up, dry put on, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.280 get ready to dive in, and we're better to start 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.840 than with the man who's been described as a teacher, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.280 a mentor, a role model, the Office Dad, and of 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:18.839 course the world's best boss. Here is Steve Carrell on 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.440 who Michael Scott is and what the Office would be 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:32.280 like today. Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:38.640 Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every month lift 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:52.960 over from the night before. Do you, as an actor 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.520 do you always search for the good and the character 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.800 that you're portraying. Sure? I think you have to do to, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.440 as otherwise you're just demonizing or judging the people that 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.000 you're playing. And if you're judging a character that you're playing, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.440 you're gonna play it differently. You don't want to editorialize 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:17.960 about a character plan. I think I think Michael's decent, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.560 a decent dude with a lot of heart, but he's 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.120 so based on his childhood, based on all sorts of 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.840 things and things that he had lacked growing up, things 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.880 that he was I felt he was deprived of. He 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.440 was so hungry for acceptance. But I don't think he 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:41.200 had the strongest templates in the world to go by. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:47.000 But I think he also learned and evolved and um 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:52.120 became a better person along the way. And he was 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.400 just a bit a bit myopic and became more aware. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.160 Once he sort of was able to start stepping outside 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:04.279 of himself in his own little eccentricities, he could see 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.720 a little bit more about the world around him. I 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.720 think one of the things about Michael is he's actually 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.920 this and in terms of my interpretation of him, I 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.760 feel like he would look out at all the people 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.560 who worked with him, and it's like he would put 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.520 his foot in his mouth all the time. But in 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:33.000 a lot of ways, I don't think he ever valued 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:39.760 one person or type of person over any other. And 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.400 in that way, I think he was very pure character 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:49.000 because he's very dumb in terms of political correctness and 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.440 being appropriate in public. But at the same time, I don't. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.040 I just don't think there was hardness in his heart 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.680 towards anyone. I agree with that. He I think a 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:08.760 person with an enormously good, kind heart, who lacked a 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.479 great deal of information about the world around him and 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.400 was as a sleep in a woke world as you 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:22.080 could be, but trying his best, trying his best. And 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:28.279 actually there's a difference between being intolerant and being ignorant, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.760 and and sometimes intolerance and ignorance go hand in hand, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.039 for sure they do. But I think he was a 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.120 decent human being. Really, he just didn't get it all 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:46.120 the time. Um, the show was happening my mom and dad, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.599 they had friends and they would say, we can't watch 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.359 that show like that, Michael Scott, he key makes me 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.040 too uncomfortable. I can't watch that. And I always felt 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.800 that this was came from a place of deep and 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:05.920 security or like misogynistic or racist or homophobic feelings within themselves, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.159 like that's why it was uncomfortable at times. And then 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.400 you came out thanks a lot for saying this. I 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.920 get asked about it all the time that the show 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.040 could never be made. Now, this was not exactly what 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.840 I said. Okay, well, that's great because I have always 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:26.200 said that I thought that Steve was misquoted in this yas. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.800 I don't know, I don't know if it could be 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.200 made now. Maybe it could. I guess my point was 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.200 that I think what I was trying to say was 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:42.080 that that exact same show probably wouldn't be made today, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.000 but with the same components, the same actors, the same writers. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.200 If it were to come back, it would evolve into 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.960 the version of what we did back then. I mean, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.520 I think the writing would be a bit different in 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.200 today's climate, but I don't think it would be any 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.640 less insightful. I don't think it would be any less 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.720 smart or any less funny. It would just be different, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.040 that's all. And I do think it would be different, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.680 and I think, I mean, Michael Scott would be much 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.480 more tuned into what it is to be woke. He 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.240 would not understand it necessarily, but he would be. The 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.480 comedy would be coming from his struggle to understand and 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.840 fit into the world as we know it today, because 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.280 the world as we knew it fifteen years ago is 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.440 different than it is today. But you know, you take 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.679 that same character who is trying to speak the language 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.480 of modern times. That can be very funny, but it 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.199 would just be different. It would just be a different 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.760 set of rules for today. But I don't know. I um, yeah, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.320 I think you know. I think it's easy to say 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:01.480 that you can't be funny, you can't do comedy this 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.880 day and age. I think that's a bit of a 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.240 cop out because every you know, every time you turn around, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.760 there is somebody coming up with something that is of 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:20.160 the time and inventive and doesn't shirk away from our 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.520 responsibility to look in the mirror. I think it just 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.920 I think it just takes a level of intelligence to 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.040 be able to do that. Now, Steve may be kind 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:37.839 and self reflective and understanding, but Michael Scott wasn't always, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:43.560 at least not to one particular h R rep. So 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.119 when it was time for me to talk to Paul Lieberstein, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.679 I couldn't wait to ask him about being the man 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:55.160 that everyone loved to hate. There's another relationship that I 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.560 think was maybe my favorite in the show. Will you 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:04.160 play that clip? Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.319 every time I try to do something fun or exciting, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:14.839 you make it not that way. I hate so much 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:22.560 about the things that you choose to be. I mean 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.240 that when was the idea for that born? It wasn't 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.880 born in diversity. Steve wrote that speech. Yeah, he hated 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.000 And when I was watching some of those things last night, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.480 I mean his face anytime he is looking at you 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.480 and angry at you in a way is completely trans 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.120 He almost looks like a different person, and he's his energy. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.360 And at one point he's like, I hate your lemon 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.240 head or it's just like crazy, it's like I'm a 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.080 Nazi and he thinks he's doing a service to the 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.600 world by hating me. Well that, well, that's the other 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.280 famous one, right, Like if I had two bullets and 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.520 there was Hitler, Ben Laden and Toby, I would use 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:12.440 both bullets and kill Toby. I think it happened in 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.199 Meredith's birthday and we all had to sign that card. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.520 So I just had to go in and said, oh, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.600 can I have a card and sign something really quickly 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.320 and leave, and he would just watch me do it 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.200 the whole time, take after takeing he was just standing 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.600 there watching and he told me afterwards that he felt 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.000 like the hate for me just just well up inside 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:39.800 him during these takes, so it was so from that moment. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.360 Is that why you guys decided to write that story 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.600 in or to continue that. You know, a lot of 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.280 it he would come from Steve. I think the power 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.040 of it came from Steve, you know, and he would 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.000 always do more. Even starting with Diversity Day, he was 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.400 just supposed to say he would, you know, get out 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.160 or something like that, but he did more. He relished 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.440 the moment and played with it. And I think he 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.880 continues to do that. And really, you know, when we 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.280 had these thirty six minute cuts and had to decide 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:14.160 what would stay, when Steve loved something, he the performance 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.920 would be amazing. And I think that's what helped so 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.840 much of the Toby Michael stuff stay right. Just his 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.800 pure power and just the pure power of his like, yeah, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:32.679 being being there, corral genius. Oh yes, the power of hatred. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.319 Never thought I'd say that on this podcast. But Toby 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.640 wasn't the only thing that brought out the best in Steve. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.120 He was so consistently, so amazing to work with, every scene, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.559 every day. Here's what Craig Robinson had to say Darrell's 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.520 relationship with Michael in the show. It was a very 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:00.559 like he kept coming to you for advice, particularly on culture. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.640 It was a very very funny dynamic. What was your 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:10.080 experience working with Steve? He's the greatest. The way he 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:16.199 could turn it comedy button off and on like a falsett. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.280 It was just genius to me. Whenever I had a 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:26.200 scene with him on and I was like titilation, you know, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.720 very exciting, and I learned from him, stole from him 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.800 all of that. Yeah, it's funny that you said. You 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.120 said that because I thought you were going to say 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.280 something else, which I think is also true. Is part 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.760 of his genius is how he turns so quick, even 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.240 within a scene, you know what I mean, Like he 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.360 is he is fighting down one path and something may 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.679 happen and he just turns it like that and he's like, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.480 you know, ultimate scene part of two. He listens and 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.320 reacts two. You know what's going on? Like we had 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:04.959 a scene I didn't even really notice until it aired. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.920 It was a negotiation. It might be my favorite episode 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.240 just because of the work I did with Steve and 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.640 being able to play with him like that. It was 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.080 the scene where he's like, I'm not going to speak first, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.280 like to trying to speak first. So we did a 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.000 couple of takes and it was fine. Uh, And then 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.440 he did his next take and he's making these faces 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:35.440 and if you look closely, you could see Meet started 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.720 crack a smile on that. But it was just like, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.400 without even speaking, he could, you know, pull this out 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.480 of you the laughter, like, oh, he's about to get me. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.520 But also in that episode, when I was saying, uh, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.920 when he listens and you know, like the perfect improvisation partner, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.920 you're listening to take it to the next level. So 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.960 we're talking about, you know, getting rage from jan I said, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:14.000 make it happen, Captain, he said, I will, Sergeant God amazing. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.760 Do you think that your relationship with him evolved throughout 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:23.080 the show? Yeah, but I think everybody's everybody evolved in 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:29.440 this show. Everybody I went through character development. Um, you know, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.360 that's one of the things that makes it what it is. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.640 People got to know these people, right. But yeah, I 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.920 think every every situation evolved to something. I mean, you 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.200 started out and your episodes were mainly about like the 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:49.640 office versus the warehouse, whether directly in basketball or like 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.080 a weird class thing where you have like the white 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.840 collar and the blue collar talk to me about the 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.400 transition for you character wise or as an actor of 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.000 you finally coming up and being a regular part of 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:08.760 like the Bullpen characterized, Um, it felt like like it 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.440 did in real life, like oh many and making you 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.920 a regular, you know what I'm saying. So definitely a 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.480 move on up for Craig Infidary, you know. And it 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.320 was like more responsibility. 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Kate Flannery talked to 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.400 me about her how do I say, her particular process 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.639 of handling the news the day she heard it. What 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.919 do you remember about finding out that Steve was leaving? 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.960 I literally was with Creed. We were on the side 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:54.520 of the office doing like a satellite press junket um 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.720 and we and then announced it that morning, so every 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.280 venue wanted to talk about it. I was like wow, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.240 because of course it was emotional. I mean, who are 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.520 we We're not? I mean, if Michael Scott, you know, 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:14.040 Michael Scott is thunder revealing he is the office. Um yeah, 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.160 I was so freaked out, And literally I told Creed 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:17.919 him like, Okay, anytime they talk about this, just just 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.720 pretend like we can't hear the feet, Like I think 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.919 the feed's going, I'm sorry, getting some interference. What was 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.919 the question? Wishing him all the best? Like I we 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.679 had this little thing where we would figure out how 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:30.000 to get out of the conversation. So but I was 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.920 I was definitely freaked out. And I mean, the great thing, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.400 the great thing about our show is that I feel 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.480 like Greg Daniels is so trustworthy and I feel like 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.800 he's picked so many great writers, and I feel like 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.240 if anything could have survived a couple more years without 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.560 step Growl, it was because of Greg Daniels. But I 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.120 was nervous. I was, and I was nervous about Spader 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.639 um just because he's not a comedy guy. And he's brilliant, 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.399 but he's not a comedy guy. And I kind of 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.399 had this whole thing like, oh no, he's holding the baby. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.600 He's gonna drop the baby. Don't drop the baby. And 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.200 also I was intimidated because he's he's like a movie 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.480 star and I had seen so many all of his 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.520 movies and you know, and there was so much sexual 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:12.320 tension between the two of us, so much watch but 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.639 I felt like there was sexual tension between me and Spade. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.760 They're they're probably even more even more seriously, Spader, he 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:26.600 liked anyone right, there's sexual things. Um the season eight 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:31.040 Christmas episode, there was one take where he's sort of 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.359 like Meredith thinks she's actually made me, gonna go to 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:35.760 dinner with them or something like that, she's got a 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:37.600 chance with him, and he sort of touches her cheeks 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.480 like no, no, no, and she goes to hug me, 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.000 and I literally, one take I grabbed his ass and 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.240 then I was like, immediately when we stop, I'm so sorry, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.240 I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.040 I just felt like, oh my god, he goes, No, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.879 he goes. That was the right thing to do. En 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.200 end up using it, but I was like, don't grab 0:22:55.280 --> 0:23:01.520 James Spader's Ask Kate what theming. I was so nervous. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:05.120 I was like, oh no, oh no, oh no, Hey listen, 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:11.600 Navigating onset relationships can be weird for anyone, and I'm 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.800 sure it doesn't help when you're playing Meredith Palmer. But hey, 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:21.080 sounds like he was a okay with your decisions, Kate. Now, 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.040 when Jenna sat down with me, we talked a lot 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:28.800 about her own relationships with the cast, In particular, Pam's 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:35.440 relationship with Dwight and her personal relationship with Rain. Okay, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.280 so I talked again about sort of that emotional core. 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.720 Dwight talk to me a little bit about the relationship 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.919 between the two of you and how that changed and evolved. 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:51.040 I mean, you were with Jim adversaries and made you 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.760 crazy forever, and then ultimately by the end, he says 0:23:54.840 --> 0:24:00.159 that you're his best friend. Dwight does Dwight does know. 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:05.480 I think it's that first episode the Injury, when Pam 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:10.199 has that line, Dwight is kind of my friend. But 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.600 I think there's other things. You know, Jim and Pam 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.800 spends so much time teasing Dwight, and I think even 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.960 go too far. A few times. In my rewatching of 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.960 the show, I think there's a few times when we're 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.920 we're like, actually a little cruel to him that makes 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.280 me cringe and I feel like, oh, that wasn't our 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.920 best moment. But I appreciate because we allow our characters too. 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:37.480 We don't all every day have perfect moments, right. But 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.080 it's so hard for me to think about Pam's relationship 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:44.360 with Dwight without thinking about my relationship to Rain. Rain 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:50.520 is a deeply soulful person. He's also like a curmudgeon 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.720 ly old man. He's really cranky sometimes and on set 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:59.240 he would feel larious. Do you remember the time? Do 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.800 you remember the he declared, Oh my god, it was 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.760 so funny. We were getting ready to shoot and he said, 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.000 hold on, wait, just hold on, everybody, hold on for 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:11.399 a second. I have an announcement. Everyone on Monday's you 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.440 do not need to ask me how my weekend was anymore? 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.919 All right, every single person asked me how my weekend was. 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.960 Just assume it was fine. We were like, where is 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.439 this gummy from right? And I talked to him about this, 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.440 and he goes, Jenna, that is not true. I said 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.200 that on a Tuesday. I said, only asked me how 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.000 my weekend was on Mondays. No more of this bleeding 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:39.280 into Tuesday Mondays. And he went crazy because you and 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:43.280 I know what he was talking about, because it's five 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.040 o'clock in the morning and every single person that you 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.600 passed is like, hello, good morning, how was your weekend? 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.359 And he what he was saying was like, you don't 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.480 have to talk to me. We just saw each other 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:58.560 on Friday night. We're good, We're good. Yes, it's so true. 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.080 So he would be like that guy on this set. 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.400 It was like so funny, But then at the same time, 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.320 in moments of deep crisis, I have phoned him. I 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.600 had a job offer that was going to take me 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.199 out of town and would uproot my family for a 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.000 period of time that I really wrestled with the decision. 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.000 I called him and he counseled me. He is he 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.399 has that in him, a type of counselor, and I 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:30.679 value him so deeply in my life. But then like 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.800 like he'll call me up and he'll be like, do 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.880 you want to go to lunch? And I'm like, yeah, 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.760