1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Tuesday edition 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm a 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: lot to get to with you today. Obviously, we now 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: know the identity and a whole lot more information about 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: the Nashville school shooter from yesterday. It was a transgender 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: individual pick the school out had a manifesto. The manifesto 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: has not been released at least I believe as we 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: speak to you right this moment, although it could come 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: out during the show, and if so, we will read 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: through it quickly to see. But we have analysis on 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: what happened there, and also on the Nashville Metro Police 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: side of things, body camera footage is out that shows 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: from at least two officers perspectives, Officers Rex Engelbert and 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Michael Colozzo, how they engage the target and they moved 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: to it right away. Heroic actions by Nashville police that 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: almost certainly saved lives in the process and did stop 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: the threat and did bring this horrific mass shooting in 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Nashville to a conclusion. We've also got the discussion already 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: underway about how to deal with this. On the political side, 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden calling for an assault rifle ban. We heard 22 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: that yesterday right at the end of our program. The 23 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: primary focus of all the Democrat aligned media is on guns, 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: of course, very little discussion about the mental health issues, 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: the obvious mental health issues that were involved here in 26 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: this mass casualty domestic terror attack. And I want to 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: explain why this is a domestic terror attack by all 28 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: of the definitions and our expectations about how we discuss 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: these things and how we how we analyze them, and 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: then we'll get into some politics. We've got some other 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: stories want to bring to your attention. Really interesting to see, Clay, 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: the Biden administration trying to pose already from Biden's Twitter 33 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: account and in other places, tough on crime and trying 34 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: to secure the border and actually calling out Republicans for 35 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: being weak on those issues. If you want to see 36 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: how much of an inversion of reality they're willing to 37 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: engage in when it comes to the twenty twenty four 38 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: election and how they're going to get people to vote 39 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: from all right, Clay, let's we went off airy yesterday 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: and a lot more information came out about the shooter 41 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I want to get to that second because first the 42 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: breaking news and just came out in the last hour 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: and a half or so, is that Nashville Metro Police 44 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: on a number of levels, I think here is showing 45 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: you textbook execution of the you know, what you should 46 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: do in a mass shuter incident like this, and also 47 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: textbook transparency, which is really important getting information out right away, 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: updating it right away. You could really tell in that 49 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: press conference yesterday, even when Chief of Police came out 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: that they were just telling everybody what they had and 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: as they had new information, they told the new information. 52 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: This is really in many ways, it seems like the 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: opposite of the uval day police response, which was very 54 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: confused withholding and then we know in the end cowardly 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: is what happened there. This is the opposite of that. 56 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: These officers were heroes. And we'll actually play some of 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the body camera footage and assess what happened here in 58 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, no doubt, And I would encourage everybody 59 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: out there listening to us right now to seek out 60 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: the body camera footage. We're going to play you some audio, 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: but I think need to see it. And frankly, I 62 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: think you need to share it with people, maybe in 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: your own lives, who've been critical of police, because we 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: all know that every time a police officer makes a mistake, 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: the video goes viral of that body camera mistake of 66 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: that incident. This is a what appears to me to 67 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: be a clinical response by the Nashville Police Department from 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: there's a six minute video buck of the police officer 69 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: pulling up, getting out, opening up the trunk of his car, 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: unloading his rifle, being informed by a employee of the school, Hey, 71 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: here's where we think the shooter is. The kids are 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: locked down, here's what you need to know. And then 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: to be able to follow both of the hero cops 74 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: who eventually brought down this killer, to be able to 75 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: follow them in real time and see as they are 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: searching the school and attempting to find their way towards 77 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: the shots to protect those kids. It's everything we didn't 78 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: see in uve all day, and I think every single 79 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: police department in the country, in the same way that 80 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: they may have looked at you've all day and said 81 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: we can never do this again. They failed on so 82 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: many different levels. They need to be using this Nashville 83 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: footage as tape of how to handle a school shooting. Fuck, 84 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: from the moment they entered that school to the moment 85 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: they took down that shooter was a little bit over 86 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: three minutes. From the moment that one of the police 87 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: officers who took down the shooter literally pulled up in 88 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: his car to taking down that shooter was six minutes. 89 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: For everybody out there who wants to micromanage, attack and 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: try to defund the police, this is a clip that 91 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: needs to be spread widely. It is violent, it is 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: graphic to some extent, but I think it's important for 93 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: people to experience what the real life moments to moment 94 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: life of a cop is like. And I think when 95 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: you watch that footage, actually here, let's play we have 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the end of it, the moment where these officers you 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: have to have to remember they're going in. They don't 98 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: know who this person is in terms of the level 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: of training and proficiency. They don't know if this person 100 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: has set up an ambush for them. They don't know 101 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: what the firing angles are they're walking into. They don't 102 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: know if this person has incendiary or explosive devices. I mean, 103 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: they're just going into a school shooting. They have very 104 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: little information that every room that they walk into. I mean, 105 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: for a lot of our folks listening who are former military, 106 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, they know it was like clearing rooms in Iraq, 107 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: clearing rooms in Afghanistan, going into these compounds in Afghanistan, 108 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: every room you walk into you could take an AK 109 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: forty seven round. Well, in this case, every room they 110 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: walked into, these officers they could have been they could 111 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: have been mowed down by a barricaded shooter. So the 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: fact that it came off the way that it did, 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: they did this with precision, professionalism, and courage. And here 114 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: is how the final moment, the confrontation with that shooter sounded. 115 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Play it, what help stop? Movid? Stop movid? What's up? 116 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: What's up? Suspect down? Suspect down? I want to say, Clay, 117 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: we have body camera footage from officers Rex Engelbert and 118 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Michael Colozzo, who both took shots to take down the shooter. 119 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: In that footage, there were other officers present there as well. 120 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: If we know their names, will read them on air 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: as well. I haven't. I haven't seen the other officers 122 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: named yet. Um we we should pull them up because 123 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: they took the same risks they were effectively. They didn't 124 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: really move in a stack, but they were moving in 125 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: the same cover formation. And all those officers showed us 126 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: exactly what cops are supposed to do, what we praise 127 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: them for doing, and what the expectations of the American 128 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: people for their law enforcement are. And I think for 129 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people this was you know, this was 130 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the law enforce and community, 131 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: and I can speak for them to degree that they've 132 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: told me this. You know, they were all furious after 133 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: you've all day. Every law enforcement officer in the country 134 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: can watch what happened here in Nashville in terms of 135 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: this response and say that's who we are and that's 136 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: how we save lives. I think they did better than 137 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: social workers would have buck for everybody out there who 138 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: tried to make this ridiculous argument to defund the police 139 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: and that in moments of violence, what we really needed 140 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: to do was bring in social workers to talk to 141 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: people who are contemplating issues of violence. These guys are badasses, 142 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: and you I can't impress upon you enough how much 143 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: I would encourage you to go watch the video. You 144 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: can hear the audio, the alarm going off in the background, 145 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: the default to training buck in a situation like this, 146 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: it is as as a way person. It is a 147 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: flawlessly executed It appears to me six minute video that 148 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: almost feels like it could be a training exercise because 149 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: they were so perfect in the way that they performed. 150 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: When you watch it and they're going room to room, 151 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: they're communicating, you know, you've got to remember these officers, 152 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, their hearts are beating out of their chests, 153 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: which affects their particularly fine motor skills. But you know everything, 154 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: you could hear that noise, you could hear the situation 155 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: they're going into. It's chaotic there. They blur them in 156 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: the video. There are bodies that you see some of 157 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: the at least one or two of the individuals who 158 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: are killed, civilians who were killed in this um. So 159 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: they're seeing dead bodies. They know they've got an active shooter. 160 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: It's very loud. They have no idea where this shooter is. 161 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: They've got no intel on that at all. And like 162 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I said, every room they walk into they could be 163 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: walking into, you know, they could be walking into rifle 164 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 1: fire a close distance, which even even with play vests on, 165 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're you're very likely not going 166 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: to be able to make it through that. And they 167 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: did it. You could tell there was no hesitation, There 168 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: was no Oh, I don't know, Maybe we should wait 169 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: for even more back up, Maybe we need an armored 170 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: vehicle to come in here for us, or I mean, 171 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: it was just we're going there are kids at risk, 172 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: there are adults at risk. We are taking action right 173 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: now to save lives. And you know it today, they 174 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: did it very well and under the circumstances when you 175 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: think back to what they were walking into, took takes 176 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: tremendous bravery. Any one of those officers could have been 177 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: killed in that situation that circumstance. Honestly, all of them 178 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: could have been and they moved like they were doing 179 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: it to save other people's lives. They all want to 180 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: go home to their families at the end of the night. 181 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: You know, people gotta remember that that's going to enter 182 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: into their heads too. They walk into that building, it's 183 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: I've got a wife and three kids at home, or 184 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: I've got a you know, a wife and a child 185 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: on the way, or whatever it may be. And they 186 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: know every room they walk into could be their last, 187 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: and they moved without hesitation. I just want any critic 188 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: of the police to watch this video and and I 189 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: would encourage and look, we've been critical on this show. 190 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: I mean many of you who are very critical of 191 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: you all day. I said it was cowardly, and by 192 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: the way, that was true. It was the response and 193 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: you've all day was cowardice, and we said it. And 194 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: sometimes that upsets people when you when you say something 195 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: like that, but you've got to be honest. And what 196 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: I would say is, if you are someone out there 197 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: who is a critic of the police and you will 198 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: share every single negative video involving a police officer, I 199 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: would encourage you to go watch that video, the six 200 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: minute version of that video in particular where you'd literally 201 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: see the officer pull up, and think about the circumstances 202 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: that those guys are in Buck because as you watch them, 203 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: have to go into these different classrooms in an active 204 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: shooter situation, and they don't know where the shooter is, 205 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: and they're trying to clear the rooms as they are 206 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: working their way up, they're trying to find their way 207 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: the stairwells. They've never been building before, they have no 208 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: real idea where they're headed, and there's shots being fired, 209 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: and there's kids being killed, there's innocent teachers being killed, 210 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: and they got there. From the moment that they enter 211 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: that school until the shooter is down is a little 212 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: over three minutes. From the moment they pull up in 213 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: their police cruiser to the moment that shooter is down 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: is six minutes. It's almost impossible to do better now 215 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: we come back. I do think it's worth having a 216 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: discussion not only about who the shooter was, in their background, 217 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: everything else. Same conversation we had after Uvalde Buck. I've 218 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: got three kids that were in Nashville schools, three different ones, 219 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: all of them have armed security guards in them. Why 220 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: can't we give a hundred billion dollars to Ukraine and 221 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: we can't protect every kid in a school in America. 222 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: I think that's reporting conversation. The reporting is still out 223 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: there that the shooter chose this school instead of another 224 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: school because of the higher security at the other school. 225 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Now I know that the shooter went to this school 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: as a student, but there was another school. I don't 227 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: believe they've named with who what the other school is. 228 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: I would assume that school probably had a resource officer. 229 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: I think every person in America who would ever consider 230 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: going to a school needs to understand there's going to 231 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: be an armed person there that they're going to have 232 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: to get through, because I think that could change in 233 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: many ways the decision making there. We'll talk about that 234 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: and Moore as we continue to break it down. Appreciate 235 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us, and thanks to 236 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: all the brave men and women of the Nashville Police Department. 237 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: And thanks to that police department for getting out that 238 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: footage with which I think is going to go a 239 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: long way towards combating anti cop sentiment in this country. 240 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: If you're a customer of Verizon, T Mobile, AT and T, 241 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: don't fall for their free phone deals. There's no such 242 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: thing as a free without a attached like locking into 243 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: a long term contract's going to cost you a fortune 244 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: every month. Instead, look to Pure Talk. 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Appreciate all you hanging out with us. The 263 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Metro Nashville Police Department currently having a press conference to 264 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: discuss more of the details surrounding this shooting. This is 265 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Chief Drake discussing some aspects of this shooting right off 266 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: the top of his statement, just happened moments ago. Listen, 267 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: We've interviewed the parents of Audrey Hale, and we've determined 268 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: that Audrey bought seven firearms from five different local gun 269 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: stores here legally. They were legally purchased three of those 270 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: weapons were used yesterday doing this horrific tragedy that happened. 271 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: We know that they felt that she had one weapon 272 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: and that she sold it. She was under care doctor's 273 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: care for an emotional disorder. Law enforcement knew nothing about 274 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: the treatment she was receiving, but her parents felt that 275 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: she should not own weapons. They were under the impression 276 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: that was when she sold the one weapon that she 277 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: did not own anymore. As it turned out, she had 278 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: been hiding several weapons within the house. We also don't 279 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: have a motive at this time. We feel that the 280 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: students that were targeted were randomly targeted. There was not 281 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: any particular student that they were that she was looking 282 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: for at the time, but the incident. Okay, Buck, so 283 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot there. This is again the Nashville Police Department. 284 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Seven firearms and she was under emotional care. This comes 285 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: back to a question that I'm sorry, I'm just gonna 286 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it out there. If you have 287 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: a child that is not psychologically well, I don't understand 288 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: how you could hide seven firearms in the house she 289 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: lived in with her parents. Buck, like, the parents knew 290 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: she had one gun and she told them she sold 291 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: it and somehow she managed to go buy seven more. 292 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Where does she get the money? What was her job? 293 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: And again, I'm saying this as a parent of three kids. Okay, 294 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: I understand that kids can try to hide things from you, 295 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: But if you knew you had an emotionally unwell child 296 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: and you did not want them to have weapons, how 297 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: in the world are there seven guns hidden in your 298 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: own home that you don't know about it. I mean again, 299 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to this as a parent. I find it 300 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: inconceivable that any of my kids could hide seven weapons, 301 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: to say nothing of where they would get the money 302 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: to buy seven weapons without me being aware of it. 303 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: And if your child has got psychological issues the police 304 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: didn't know. According to this, she wouldn't have been able 305 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: to get guns. Why would you not notify the police 306 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: if you knew that your child had one gun was suicide? 307 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: Shouldn't have it? Again, this seems like a failure of parenting. 308 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Am I crazy? You don't have kids yet, Buck? But 309 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: when I when I hear these things, it makes me 310 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: furious as a parent because there are now three kids 311 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: that are dead, and there are three moms and dads 312 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: and grandmas and grandpa's out there that are not going 313 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: to be going home because these parents didn't weren't aware 314 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: of their kid had seven guns. This is this is 315 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: also where I would want to know. And I'm not 316 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I'm not a practitioner at 317 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: a at a clinic dealing with mental health issues. But 318 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: we have, and it's just in the last really the 319 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: last five years, but particularly the last you know, you 320 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: could expand it, the last ten years, decided that transgenderism 321 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: is not a mental health issue that needs attention and assistance, 322 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: but is actually something to be celebrated. Yeah, and that 323 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: this is the new civil rights. That is what we 324 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: are told. That is the absolute man data of the 325 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: Democrat Party, of the left, of the media in this country, 326 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: and of the commies very broadly. They demand this of you, 327 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: that you call somebody who's a man a woman, somebody 328 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: who's a woman a man, depending on their emotional state, 329 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to think there's something wrong here. 330 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to that. That has changed the American 331 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Psychiatric Association. You look at the different you know, the 332 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: DSM and the different manuals out there, they have changed 333 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: this very rapidly and very recently. And so when you're 334 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: talking about things like a red flag law, when you're 335 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: talking about mental health issues as it pertains to who 336 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: can get a firearm? Does somebody who is transgender, that 337 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: is that is no longer to be considered a part 338 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: of a mental health issue, that is not treated as 339 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: a mental She was seeing somebody because she chose to, 340 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: I assume, and she wanted to talk about different mental 341 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: health I don't depression, anxiety, whatever it may be. But 342 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: the severity of the mental illness I think can be 343 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: harder for people to really understand or for people even 344 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: around it to really gauge. Because the transgender issue is 345 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: not to be taken as a sign of instability, of 346 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: emotional instability. It is treated as the affirmation of the 347 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: self and the affirmation of gender. Well, what does that 348 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: really mean? Like, how can we you know, if that's 349 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: if you're a practitioner, if you're a psychiatryt sit down 350 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: with somebody and they're saying, you know, I was born 351 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: a woman, I've been a woman for twenty years or 352 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is this person's case, but now I think 353 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: that I'm a man. Oh and by the way, I'm having, 354 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, thoughts of violence. And oh, by the way, 355 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm having you know, do you see what I'm saying, 356 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: Like like, yeah, I totally, I totally get it, because 357 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: we're told and this is the question that I'm asking Buck. 358 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even know how these different drugs 359 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: might interplay to make whatever psychosis she might have had worse. 360 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: Right in theory, if you're suddenly pumping somebody full of testosterone, 361 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: if she was, and simultaneously you're also giving them antidepressants 362 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: or all sorts of other mental health drugs, does that 363 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: lead to more of a psychotic breakdown? I think that's 364 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: a legitimate question that we should be asking. If somebody 365 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: wanted to see as psychiatrist and they said that they 366 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: have they're severely bipolar, they have severe bipolar disorder, let's say, 367 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: or a severe personality disorder of any kind, and then 368 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: they also added some I'm having some thoughts about either 369 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: self harm or harming others or whatever. There would be 370 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: this sense of the totality of the psychiatric damage and 371 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: risk and look, those people need help. People should go 372 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: see people. And but for you know, they were saying, 373 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: this was never relayed to law enforcement nobody. Well, were 374 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: they able to see the issue clearly because one part 375 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: of the psychological dress that this person was under was 376 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: not to be treated as instability and a sign that 377 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: this person may be troubled. It's to be treated as 378 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: a celebration of identity. That is the new civil rights struggle. 379 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: And so how can a practitioner, in all honesty be 380 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: asked to make a real because if you see any psychiatrists, 381 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: they will tell you this, and they look they make people. 382 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what they do on the military side. 383 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: You come back from the CIA, you come back from overseas, 384 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: you're going to sit down with somebody and say, you know, 385 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you saw some stuff, are you okay? So you know, 386 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: mental health treatment is physical health treatment. People should view 387 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: it as as two sides of the same coin. But 388 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: if you're asking people to be able to make threat 389 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: assessments like a psychiatrist at this point, I mean you 390 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: were talking about the parents, right, the parents obviously, you know, 391 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of challenges here for them, 392 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: and you know, looks like they miss. But this is 393 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: where I can't get past as a parent. And I 394 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: would say this to anybody out there. If you believe 395 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: your kid has serious psychological issues, and you are concerned 396 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: about them doing harm to themselves or someone else, and 397 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: you are not checking regularly what they are spending money on, 398 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: whether they have weapons. I mean, we're not talking about 399 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: her having one gun, Buck, she bought seven guns. Seven 400 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: guns are not cheap, from five different firearms dealers, and 401 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: she hid them in the house and the parents had 402 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: no idea. So right, there's there's the parent component of it. 403 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: And I think you've you've spoken to that that well. 404 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: I just think also the police specifically mentioned, well, if 405 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: we had been told she was under psychiatric care, ken 406 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, here's one aspect a psychiatrist even be honest 407 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: about what we're dealing with here and what the reality 408 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: of the mental health risks are of this person. Bottom line, 409 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: people died here. What happened. We have to be able 410 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: to be honest about this. If you're a psychiatrist, though, 411 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: and you get on the wrong side of this, you're 412 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: a transpoke, your license is gone, you're a bigot, You're 413 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: not to be talked to, you're a horrible human being. 414 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: Oh history, you're so right, Buck, because I met Historically, 415 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: one of the top signs of mental instability was the 416 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: idea that you're in the wrong body. Right in nineteen 417 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: ninety four, if you went to a psychiatrist and you said, well, 418 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm a guy, but I actually feel like a girl. 419 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: That would not be a sign of you being incredibly 420 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: brave and proactive and courageous. It would be a sign 421 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: that your biochemistry may well be off. If I walked 422 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: into a psychiatrist's office and I said him, I speak 423 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: to people who are not there. I speak to people 424 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: in the room who are not actually present in the room. 425 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: That is an objectively false reality that I am projecting. 426 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: And then if I said, on top of that, I 427 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: also want to seek out I'm going to go buy 428 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: some firearms for whatever reason. Yeah, that psychiatrist would be 429 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: highly concerned and may inform law enforcement. If I walk 430 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: in and say, I'm actually a woman, and by the way, 431 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to go buy some firearms for whatever. We 432 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: don't no, we haven't seen the manifesto, but I'm gonna 433 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: go buy some firearms. I don't know how the psychiatrist 434 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: feels about that, necessarily, because well, I need to affirm 435 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: your gender. Fuck what if you just came in and said, hey, 436 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't like my right arm I want to chop 437 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: it off, and which is a real psychiatric condition for 438 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: anybody who's wondering. And also I am deeply disturbed, and 439 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: I have seven guns. I'd be like, I don't know 440 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: that I want this person to have weapons. I believe 441 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: it's called body identity integrity disorder. And these are real question. 442 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, probably the only place you're gonna hear almost 443 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: in all of America a conversation like this is here 444 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: because the idea that you would ever question anything about 445 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: a transgender person is considered to be so transphobic that 446 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: it's unacceptable to do. Well, there's six people dead, and 447 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: this person was clearly mentally disturbed. I think figuring out 448 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: how this happened so we can hopefully not ever have 449 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: it happen again, is a big part of figuring out 450 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: how to respond to this in general. Look, it's a 451 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: challenge right now everybody out there. You probably have car insurance, 452 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: probably have home insurance, health insurance, all sorts of things 453 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: take care of your family in case something bad happens 454 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: in that respect, do you have food insurance? 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Yes, thank you for having me. I want 482 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: to get your reaction, Tutor. You're you're a mom of 483 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: a few few young kids and you know four, and 484 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: yesterday the news all came in and it's it's a 485 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: just heartbreaking, it's a gut punched the whole country. Twenty 486 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: four hours after the incident. Wanted to give you opportunity 487 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: to just address the people of America and more specifically 488 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: people of the Nashville area. Well, it's it hits very 489 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: close to home for me because of my four girls, 490 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: two of them are nine. I have twins their nine 491 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: year olds and you wake up and see this and 492 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: it is devastating. Well, last night, I'm putting them to 493 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: bed and it's hard to not burst into tears when 494 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: you see them sleeping in their beds because you think 495 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: about the parents who are going through this incredible tragedy 496 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: and I'm just so mad about it. And I hear 497 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: all of the sides debating the politics of it, and 498 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: all I can think is, you can debate this all 499 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: you want, but you never come up with a solution 500 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: to keep our kids safe, and no realistic solution. I 501 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: never hear someone offer a realistic solution to keep our 502 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: kids safe. And it's not rock science, but this school. 503 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they had done the stuff that they thought 504 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: they needed to do, they had the one single entry point, 505 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: they had the door locked. This person blew through the door. 506 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it is, you know, maniac that had this 507 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: desire to go hurt kids, which I can't I cannot understand. 508 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: And we can come up with the political reasons all 509 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: we want and say this person falls into this category 510 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: or that category, but at the end of the day, 511 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: anybody who goes in and does this falls into the 512 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: category of some lunatic that we weren't protected against. And 513 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm mad. I think I think every parents mad. And 514 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: I know you've got four, I've got three. I don't 515 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: know where your girls go to school specifically, And you're right. 516 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: For people who have not watched the video, this killer 517 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: comes and shoots her way through locked doors to enter 518 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: into the school. So she shatters the glass and that 519 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: is how she makes her entryway. I've been saying in 520 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: one solution that I see that that isn't remotely partisan. Tutor, 521 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: when you consider all of the money that we spend 522 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: on things that don't protect our kids at all, I 523 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: don't understand why every school doesn't have an armed security guard. 524 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean the schools you've been to my house, to 525 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: schools that my kids go to, public schools outside of Nashville, 526 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: they have armed security guards. And I'm not saying that 527 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: that's going to stop this from ever happening, but I 528 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: do think if every person knew every school in America 529 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: has an armed security guard there, maybe it gives them 530 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: pause about the idea that they're going to be able 531 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: to just go in and take the lives of innocent 532 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: people with nobody to defend them exactly. I mean, I 533 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: think about the fact that I was in college when 534 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: we heard about Columbine, and that was a heck of 535 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: a long time ago, and we're still going, gee, what's 536 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: the answer, and how could we possibly do this? And 537 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: we got to take guns away from everybody, which is 538 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: when people tell you that that might feel good, it's 539 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: a lie. It's not a solution that's actually going to 540 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: stop somebody from doing this. How do we tech kids? 541 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: And I'm seeing technology that would blow your mind that 542 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: you can have a school that they'll say, oh, this 543 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: is going to be a school that looks like a fortress. No, 544 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: this technology sets it up to the first bullet flies 545 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and everything locks down, and we are not taking this seriously. 546 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: We will put millions of dollars into schools for reading 547 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: that never actually impacts reading. We will put hundreds of 548 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars into conventions for teachers to go learn 549 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: about d EI and CRT. But we are not taking 550 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: care of our kids, making sure that we have security 551 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: guards there, making sure that the doors locked down, making 552 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: sure that there are measures in place to trap this 553 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: person so that they can't get to a classroom. This 554 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: is not extreme. This is what we should be sitting 555 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: down and say whatever it takes to make sure no 556 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: parent grieves the loss of their child who went to school. 557 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: I dropped my kids off this morning and I looked 558 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: in their eyes and I said, what happens if someone 559 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: locks into school today? Well, you do don't look for them, 560 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: don't get distracted, kind of place to hide. And I 561 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: feel like, how can I be saying this to my kids? 562 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: How can I be so concerned that I am dropping 563 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: them off at a place where it's a it's a 564 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: gun free zone, so the only person that's going to 565 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: have a weapon is the person who's after them, no way. 566 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of Tutor Dixon, she's the host of a Tutor 567 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: Dixon podcast on the Clay and Buck Network. And you know, Tutor, 568 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: I know that in your first podcast interview, it was 569 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: with a firearms expert who was talking about responsible firearms 570 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: ownership and shooting skills for women, particularly to protect themselves 571 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: and their families. I wanted to know if there's anything 572 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: that came from that. I mean, I'm sure that there's 573 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people right now who are thinking, Yeah, 574 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: obviously you can't be ever at all times, and that's 575 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: why we're talking about hardening the schools. But just an 576 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: understanding of self defense and an understanding of what the 577 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: possibilities are seems like a worthwhile part of the conversation 578 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: of trying to make all of us a bit safely. Yeah, 579 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: we had Rick Ectorn and it was really informative because 580 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: this is somebody who went from really only having a 581 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: hunting rifle too saying I'm gonna teach women in Detroit 582 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: to protect themselves because of a story he saw on 583 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: the news of a woman who died, and he said, 584 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: she didn't have to die. But we went through the 585 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: whole MSU shooting, and that was somewhat of a unique 586 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: school shooting because this is somebody who wandered on campus, 587 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: who had the prosecutor really prosecuted a crime early on, 588 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: potentially this person would never have been able to buy 589 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: a gun. And this is another situation where the gun 590 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: was purchased legally. All signs look like in this situation Nashville, 591 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: this gun was purchased legally. We can say we can 592 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: come up with these false solutions and say we're going 593 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: to have some gun control methods that is going to 594 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: catch the bad guys, but it doesn't no matter what 595 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: state we look in. And that was what Rick was 596 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: so clear out. He said, look, you have these prosecutors 597 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: that are soft on crime, they're not doing this. Why 598 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: not allow people to protect themselves? And we've had folks say, well, 599 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: if you're a teacher, why shouldn't you be allowed to 600 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: carry a gun if you want to. And I said 601 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: to my girls today, what happens if someone comes in 602 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: your classroom? And they said, well, the teacher has a 603 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: bat and she can stand next to the door. And 604 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: my heart sinks because I'm like, we are using a 605 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: bat against the gun. I mean, what are we going 606 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: to say that our kids are worthy of protection and 607 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: that these stories of gun control are fairy tales? And 608 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: this and Rick lays it out pretty clearly as to 609 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: what happened at MSU and why we should be frustrated 610 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: with these soft on crime prosecutors that are letting these 611 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: people go, letting these people back on the streets, letting 612 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: these people legally buy firearms who under the system the 613 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: way it is now, they wouldn't have been able to. 614 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. People say, Oh, we need strict 615 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: or laws, and we actually have laws that we need 616 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: to abide by. But in this case, we've got a 617 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: mental health issue. And that's another whole issue that I 618 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: don't think we have an understanding of how to get 619 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: a handle on this, because mental health it's not like 620 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: a broken arm. It's not like you know how to 621 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: set it and get it back together. Mental health is 622 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: different for everybody, and we're really challenged with this mental 623 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: health issue and we're you know, in a way, we're 624 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: glorifying mental health issues right now, and how is that 625 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: helping our kids? It's confusing our kids even more. And 626 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: now we've got people going in and shooting up a 627 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: school that clearly was under mental health care and needed help. 628 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: But there's no monitoring system for folks like this. And 629 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: what is the answer to that. You know, I'm not 630 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: pretending that I have that answer, but I think that 631 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: we need. These are the things we need to be 632 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: morning over and greeting over and saying this has to 633 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: be top of mine, it has to be our top priority. 634 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't disagree at all. You've got four, Like I said, 635 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: I've got three. This twenty eight year old bought seven 636 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: guns from five different dealers. She was under treatment. Her 637 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: parents say they had no idea she had bought seven guns. 638 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: She was living at home. I come back again and again, 639 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this because you're on tutor. 640 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: You've got four kids. We've got every parent, grandparent known 641 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: to man out there. If your kids have emotional issues, 642 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: you need to be not only worried about their safety 643 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: with their emotional issues. You need to be worried about 644 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: other people's emotional safety and physical safety as well. There 645 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: needs to be far more I think parenting going on here. 646 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: I just I can't get past it. Buck, we were 647 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: talking about it last hour. She lived in the home 648 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: with her parents and they claim that she somehow hid 649 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: seven guns in the house and they had no idea. 650 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: That to me is parental failure. I'm sorry, it just is. 651 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: It's such an awkward situation because you've got clearly an adult, 652 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: but this person is living with their parents because they're 653 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: not capable of being an adult. Right, So at that point, 654 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: when is the parent palpable? And in Michigan you see 655 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: that the Oxford shooting, the parents are being held accountable 656 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: for the child. And I think, honestly, this is what 657 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: I think the future is. You have to be held 658 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: accountable for your child's actions. Now it is there is 659 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: a gray area. When the child is seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, 660 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: then you are mom and dad. When the child is 661 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: twenty seven and they're living with you, then are you responsible? 662 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you're a roommate, are you responsible? But 663 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: you have a child that is living with you because 664 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: they have mental health issues. How do you not know this? 665 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine not knowing this. It's like you said, 666 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't and it's not like these are tiny pistols. 667 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 1: We're talking about seven pretty good sized weapons you've got 668 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: in your household. And it's shocking and I just can't. 669 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: I can't let this get clouded by the politics of 670 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: all of it, because at the end of the day, 671 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: I cannot get past the fact that six people have 672 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: lost their lives. And once again it's going to be 673 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: out of the news cycle in a couple of days, 674 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: and maybe this one will be faster, and again there 675 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: will be no action on what we do to make 676 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: sure our most valuable, precious good is taken care of. 677 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, these are our kids. Listen to the Tutor 678 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: Dixon podcast on the iHeart app and it's part of 679 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: the clay in Buck podcast network. Tutor, really appreciate your 680 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: perspective and we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you 681 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: for being here with us. Thank you so much. 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Sean did the 706 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: first really meaningful sit down with him, and I think 707 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: about six months that no one's really talked to Trump. 708 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: But this length work for quite some time. Certainly worth 709 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: going uh and folks tuning into it on on Fox 710 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: if you if you miss it last night. But by 711 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: the way, did we get some I want to do? 712 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: We get a bunch of calls in on this. I'm 713 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: so because I wanted them lined up, one of them 714 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: lined up before. Okay, I mean said Clay, this is 715 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: the problem. Okay, this is it. This is a challenge 716 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: that I have here. We we take we hely have 717 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: so many lines whatever it is, we've got, you know, 718 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: a half dozen or so phone lines we can take 719 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: at one time here, right, and if all the lines 720 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: light up with one with one opinion, there's not people 721 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: will say, well, why can't you take him or varied? 722 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, we'll get we'll get a little bit of 723 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: he people say, well, you're just picking and choosing. We're 724 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: literally going with the calls that we have that I 725 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: have to get past the screener for topic, for being topical, 726 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: and clarity of the of the actual connection. But we're 727 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: just taking what we're getting when we put this out. 728 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: I just want to say that before we get to 729 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: some of these calls. I mean, here was the Jason 730 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: Chafits response to the Trump sit down with Hannity. In 731 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,479 Speaker 1: terms of how Trump did play it, I thought Sean 732 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: Hannity did a good job. But I watched that and 733 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: I thought, where is Donald Trump? I voted for Donald 734 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: Trump twice, I have defended him countless times. I thought 735 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: he was horrific. I think that was the worst interview 736 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: I've seen the president too. He was whining, he was complaining, 737 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: he played the victim card time and time again, and 738 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: then after that he complained that you know, somebody had 739 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: endorsed was now running against him. And I thought he 740 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: was absolutely horrific. He's the former president of the United States. 741 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: Act like it. He didn't in that interview. I'm saying, 742 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: that's the that's the most uh elbows in the pain 743 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,959 Speaker 1: I've ever heard Jason throw anywhere on anything. Really, maybe 744 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: going back to when he was in the Benghazi hearings 745 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: in Congress. He's a talented guy. I watched the interview 746 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: and I left thinking, oh, I like Donald Trump and 747 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity more than I did before I sat down 748 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: and watched. The interview is like super funny and engaging 749 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: and was very thought and I thought Sean was well 750 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 1: prepared and the questions were good. And maybe it's just 751 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: that you and I watched so much and listened to 752 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: so much Trump. None of the answers really surprised me, 753 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 1: but I thought he did a pretty good job of 754 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: answering them in an, you know, engaging way, and I 755 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: thought he didn't dodge anything of course that Hannity was asking. 756 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: I will just say this though, I mean trying to 757 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: interview Trump, having done it numerous times, Clay's done it 758 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: numerous times, it is rogue elephant time. I mean, you 759 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: are Trump is going where he's going. I just you know, 760 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: people will say, why don't you jump in more? You 761 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: try to jump in on Trump more when he's in 762 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: the middle of an answer, And look, he's the former president, 763 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: he's the candidate. You know, people are gonna want to 764 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: hear what he has to say more than anything else obviously, 765 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: but even if you try to shape the conversation a 766 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 1: little bit more or follow up, Trump has just this way. 767 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: He's like a He's like a verbal steam roller. You know. 768 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: You can't you think, by the way, about the loyalty argument, 769 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, I do think I can see, Okay, 770 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: Rod de Santis, I do believe is the governor of 771 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: Florida the first time because of Trump. That is, I 772 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: buy into Trump one hundred percent. DeSantis would not have 773 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: been elected governor of Florida in twenty eighteen without Trump. 774 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: But DeSantis then served four years as governor of Florida, 775 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: did not get the Trump endorsement at all in twenty 776 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: two and one by nineteen points. So I can both 777 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: simultaneously see the Trump argument of hey, I helped Ron 778 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,919 Speaker 1: get his opportunity. But then when you prove that you're 779 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: really good at that job, and that you're so good 780 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: at that job that you deserve another one. Let me 781 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: give you a sports analogy. Buck, if you went out 782 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: and you said, hey, I know sports, you should go 783 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: draft this guy. He's going to be a really good 784 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: baseball pitcher, right, and then you go draft him and 785 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: he plays for four years in the minor leagues, and 786 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: he got his start with that team because you said 787 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: draft him, and then he ends up the day one 788 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: starter of the major league baseball team and bumps you 789 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: down to two. I don't think any athlete would come 790 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: out and say I thought it was really disrespectful that 791 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: he took the starting nod over me, given he got 792 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: his opportunity because of me. To say, my version of 793 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: or my feeling about about that argument is there are 794 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: people in conservative media who only do the jobs they 795 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: do in some cases because I reached out to them, 796 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: made connections for them, and some of them have become 797 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,879 Speaker 1: very successful. I would say that three out of four 798 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: of the people that I can think of were in 799 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: that role. You know, they're like polite to me, but 800 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: there's never there's no sense of like, oh thank you, 801 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: and like there's no sense of loyalty. They've just gone 802 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: on and done their own thing. But I always say, 803 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: I do it for the movement, and I do it 804 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: because I like to help people. I don't do it 805 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: because I want anything in response. Now that's just trying 806 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: to help people. In our business play, isn't what's most important, 807 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: what's best for the country. Who is best for the 808 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: role right now, That to me, I think is the 809 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,959 Speaker 1: overriding consideration and should be for Trump and for descantists. Now, 810 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: Trump obviously thinks he is, and he is ahead in 811 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: the polls, and he's the former president, and I get 812 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: at it, but I don't think it's fair to think 813 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: that somebody should be excluded from their call to service. 814 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: You know, desantists may have preyed on this a lot, 815 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,479 Speaker 1: and he may feel called to it, and that's something 816 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna be here. He hasn't even announced yet, right 817 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: so we're also having this crazy discussion about it. Let 818 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: me also make this analogy back, because I think it's 819 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: maybe even better than the one I just did. If 820 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: you hire somebody as an assistant coach in any sport 821 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: and they are so good that they get ahead job, 822 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: and then they end up coaching against you in the 823 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: super Bowl, you would never say I can't believe he's 824 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: trying to beat me in the super Bowl. The only 825 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: reason he even has a job is because I found 826 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: him when nobody else would give him a chance, And 827 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: now he's in the super Bowl because of me. How 828 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: dare he try to beat me? Like? That? Would be 829 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: a ludicrous argument for a former head coach who hired 830 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: his assistant to make and that to me is kind 831 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: of what Trump is doing here. Like I said, we're 832 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: going to close it out here by we got a 833 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: bunch of people on the line. If line is busy, 834 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: just know that we're going to rack and stack some 835 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: calls here. So once you hear one and we finished 836 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: that call, you can then jump in because I want 837 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: to get a diversity of perspect that word, a diversity 838 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: of perspective, d Ie. You know all this one um 839 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: and and right now I think they're all leading in 840 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: one direction. But it's just what do we think of 841 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: the uh, the interview last night, the Trump response, there 842 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: were some funny moments with Trump. There's a reason why 843 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: this guy was able to do what he what he 844 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: did in twenty sixteen. But I want to hear from 845 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: the folks out there, and I want to try to 846 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 1: always we're trying to play this as fair and square. 847 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: Is it Fahren square, square and fair? Thank you fare 848 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: Fahren square as we can right as we can, And 849 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: that means opening up to all of you. Um. I mean, look, 850 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean I just had Jack Posolvik. We sat down 851 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: for an hour ago. Listen to Clay and Buck podcast. 852 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: Oh and we have the Is it the the president 853 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: of the Heritage Foundation's popping by. Yes, we're going to 854 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: be joined just a moment by Kevin Roberts. I'm up 855 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: here in in DC broadcasting literally from the Heritage Foundation offices. 856 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: So he's going to step in and say hi in 857 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: this next segment. 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