Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
Speaker 2: Time on Thursday, November seventh, and we're live from me
Speaker 2: Eater headquarters in Bosa, Montana. I'm your host, Steve Ranella,
Speaker 2: joined today by Brody Henderson and the version of Doctor
Speaker 2: Randall where his hair is not combed. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: it was that it's his boater prominent, his voting version.
Speaker 2: On today's show, we're interviewing the Squore, the former Metater
Speaker 2: podcast Alum. Can you be a former alarm? It's so
Speaker 2: just it's sort of implied you can't be a future alum.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can.
Speaker 3: We'll sort this out.
Speaker 2: We're interviewing me Eater Podcast alum, the squirrel Doc John Koprowski,
Speaker 2: a mammologist and biologist at the University of Wyoming.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna go over and hit another installment of
Speaker 2: tattoos I regret, which I fear is gonna be overly vicious,
Speaker 2: followed by a rut report from Yanni's tree stand in Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: where Yanni is currently sitting right now. Then we'll highlight
Speaker 2: here's the thing we're gonna highlight a political defeat and
Speaker 2: this has this has dominated the news cycle since to
Speaker 2: like CNN, New York Times, Wall Street Journal. You can't
Speaker 2: find anything that's not about this. The biggest political.
Speaker 5: Upset, only thing everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2: In American political history. I am talking, of course, about
Speaker 2: the defeat of Proposition one twenty seven in Colorado, which
Speaker 2: would have banned the hunting of mountain lions and bobcats.
Speaker 2: And they threw in links for good measure, even though
Speaker 2: they're eesa protected. They put a ton of money into it,
Speaker 2: They rolled out all manner of faux experts. They tried
Speaker 2: to run a statewide ballot box initiative to ban mountain
Speaker 2: lion and bobcat hunting, and they got beat. We spent
Speaker 2: a ton of time on this issue. I have been
Speaker 2: euphoric when people saw me the next on the day
Speaker 2: after the election, running around just inexplicably pumping my fists
Speaker 2: in the air. I don't think they knew that's what
Speaker 2: it was about. I have been euphoric as part of
Speaker 2: that celebration. We're going to talk to two more me
Speaker 2: Eater podcasts. Alum Gasper Paracone, the co chair of the
Speaker 2: organization Colorado's wildlife deserves better. And then we're going to
Speaker 2: talk to a personal buddy mine, a Colorado houndsman and
Speaker 2: wild cattle catcher, Cody Farrion. Then lastly, we're gonna dig
Speaker 2: into an indefensible law that ought to get passed. As
Speaker 2: a quick catchup, it was proposed to me that we
Speaker 2: talked about Randal getting a white tail deer.
Speaker 5: And I did not propose it.
Speaker 2: The only noteworthy thing about it was that Randall's got
Speaker 2: many whitetail deer, but he happened to get a white
Speaker 2: tail deer in a state other than what he had
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 5: Past, first whitetail buck in that state. Actually, because I
Speaker 5: kill whiteail does.
Speaker 2: It got less and less interesting to me the more
Speaker 2: I learned about it. But just suffices to say Randal
Speaker 2: got himself a nice white tail bark like many other Americans.
Speaker 6: Many millions of other Americans, like Joe, you know.
Speaker 2: Just but what's more interesting to me is the Randall's
Speaker 2: wife tagged out. Tell me about that, Randall, because that
Speaker 2: interests me.
Speaker 5: Uh, that's actually, I mean, it's sort of a good
Speaker 5: story and not a good story. At the same time,
Speaker 5: we went out for the weekend, pulled up, set up
Speaker 5: the camper, got the dogs running around, poured him a
Speaker 5: bowl of water, and I set up my tripod and
Speaker 5: my binos and.
Speaker 2: Spotted a spotted a dough about.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Keeping someone Someone just wrote in.
Speaker 5: Keep them coming, I'd like to I'd like to know
Speaker 5: anything that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Podcast listener. Someone said he looks like Daniel Stern and
Speaker 3: home alone too after getting electrocuted.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of getting the ancient Aliens guy vibe too,
Speaker 5: So to back up.
Speaker 2: There you are, You've got the water, the dogs, all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: And set up my bipod or my tripod with my byos,
Speaker 5: just scanning around seeing what's up and down the valley,
Speaker 5: and about fifteen hundred yards behind camp, I see a
Speaker 5: dough and uh. I watched her for five minutes or
Speaker 5: so to see if there was any other deer, and
Speaker 5: sure enough a buck came sneaking in and we put
Speaker 5: our boots on through the crocs in the trailer and
Speaker 5: scampered up a little butte and she shot him, and
Speaker 5: then we went down, got the dogs, went back up,
Speaker 5: packed him out.
Speaker 6: Excellent, but it was nice and you still camp there.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 5: We camped there that night and then went up to
Speaker 5: the bar and we went to the bar, we had service,
Speaker 5: and we got a text that my buddy had killed
Speaker 5: a bull. So the next day we packed up the
Speaker 5: camper and went and helped him pack out his bowl. Awesome,
Speaker 5: and then camped again. Dogs had a good weekend. I
Speaker 5: did two.
Speaker 2: It's good. That sounds like a great little weekend.
Speaker 5: We sawsold a lot of country, a lot of critters.
Speaker 2: Did your wife take your name? She did? My wife's
Speaker 2: been real. She's kicking around again, weirdly, in another effort
Speaker 2: to lead me along, has been musing lately on getting
Speaker 2: around and finally changing her name after sixteen years of marriage.
Speaker 5: Sydney said she would not do it again, only because
Speaker 5: of the bureaucratic headache.
Speaker 2: Is she gonna undo it?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, it's just the actual act of changing
Speaker 5: it was the hurdle for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the missus, my lovely, beautiful wife, said I'll do
Speaker 2: it when my passport expires because that seems like a pain.
Speaker 2: And then I've been waiting sixteen years. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many passport renewals we've been through, and she has
Speaker 2: and then the other day. She was like, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I will change it. And then I told my daughter,
Speaker 2: if she she can, but you don't trying to build up.
Speaker 6: Have you gotten more sore about it over the years,
Speaker 6: I get.
Speaker 2: Sore and sore all the time. And now I look
Speaker 2: very hypocritical because I told my wife or I told
Speaker 2: my daughter, don't change your name.
Speaker 5: We actually thought about both changing our names to my
Speaker 5: mother's maybe name, which is just cool.
Speaker 2: It's cool multu, it's Norwegian. I thought, Man, it was cool.
Speaker 5: But then I didn't want to go through the hassle
Speaker 5: of all that and explain it to people.
Speaker 2: Uh, Brody, you just did a woodcock hunt in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: That's pretty exciting. Did you bring me one?
Speaker 6: Id we ate them all? They're pretty small.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were back in the the I was back
Speaker 6: in my old stomping grounds at Penn State for the
Speaker 6: tailgate tour. Yep, And uh it was great. It was
Speaker 6: so much fun. Like we hit the migration right like
Speaker 6: they're just everywhere, and we had a good, very good
Speaker 6: bird dog, a lot of shooting, a lot of missing
Speaker 6: and uh, it was cool when we were kids. When
Speaker 6: I was a kid, the only time I ever shot
Speaker 6: at a Woodcock was when I was hunting something else,
Speaker 6: like we didn't target them, so this is like the
Speaker 6: first time. It was like we're after woodcock and we
Speaker 6: got into him. It was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you hit the migration, it's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I saw I saw a clip from that and it
Speaker 5: was impressive shooting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well what you saw, I saw the highlight. I
Speaker 6: guess there's a lot of unimpressive shooting too.
Speaker 2: My main My main update, Uh, we went Kyle Column
Speaker 2: there day, which was fun. We did good and then
Speaker 2: me and my little boy. My little boy had a
Speaker 2: buddy at school that wanted They had like asked him
Speaker 2: about getting jerky, so we made. For the first time
Speaker 2: in my life, I made the ground meat jerky, which
Speaker 2: I've always been skeptical because like, why'd you grind it?
Speaker 2: And then you know what I mean, right, It's like
Speaker 2: why go through all the hassle? We made ground meat jerky,
Speaker 2: checked around for recipes from friends, and made jerky. But
Speaker 2: this I had cut with about twenty percent fat. M
Speaker 2: That is some when you remove all the moisture and
Speaker 2: the fat doesn't go anywhere. It is some greasy jerky.
Speaker 2: Not the best, but I've hit on something. My next
Speaker 2: batch is gonna be revolutionary hmm, because I am going
Speaker 2: to do it again. And I'm going to grind in
Speaker 2: a bunch of dried cherries.
Speaker 5: Oh and I am gonna make Pemmican style.
Speaker 6: Yes, are you going to go? You should do it
Speaker 6: with burger that doesn't have fat cut into it. Maybe no, no.
Speaker 2: Because then it wouldn't be Pemmican. I am going to
Speaker 2: reinvent I am. I am in the process of reining
Speaker 2: old school Pemmican. Just wait and watch. Joining us really
Speaker 2: quick before our next segment.
Speaker 3: Don't forget to write in questions for their listener feedback.
Speaker 3: Get halfway through the show and the end of the show.
Speaker 3: This is Steve's here. Got a question for Steve put
Speaker 3: in the live chat.
Speaker 2: And I just launched the new big thing. How are
Speaker 2: we doing on time? Were good?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Great, there's the thing we're launching.
Speaker 5: It's called as of seven minutes ago.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: I thought about it last night in bed. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I thought about two days ago. Then I then I
Speaker 2: quit thinking. I'll explain the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 2: Making this jerky got me thinking about a great jerky
Speaker 2: a jerky contest. It's gonna be called me Eater's Best
Speaker 2: GD scosh darn of course, Meet Eater's Best GD Jerky Tournament.
Speaker 2: I thought, everybody will send in jerky and then on
Speaker 2: live will rate it, and then we'll put together a
Speaker 2: huge prize package for who wins. But then I got
Speaker 2: to thinking, am I really gonna eat jerky that shows
Speaker 2: up in the mail? So then I abandoned the idea.
Speaker 2: Then it hit me, you come here and present your jerky.
Speaker 2: I watch you eat it, and then I know it's
Speaker 2: okay for me to eat it. Then we eat the
Speaker 2: jerky and rate it in front of you, and we'll
Speaker 2: do let's say ten contestants over the course of a year,
Speaker 2: and we'll put together a mega prize package. You're responsible
Speaker 2: for getting yourself here. You come in, you join the show,
Speaker 2: you present your jerky, your jerky gets raided, we crown
Speaker 2: a champion at the end of twenty twenty five Me
Speaker 2: Eater's Best GD Jerky turn at twenty twenty five, that
Speaker 2: person gets a huge prize package.
Speaker 6: There's some details that need to be sorted out.
Speaker 2: I got them all in my head.
Speaker 6: No you don't, and what if what if you run
Speaker 6: into two people are here at two different times.
Speaker 2: But they say they get scheduled.
Speaker 6: They're both. Yeah, I'm saying, like you rate one, it's
Speaker 6: the best jerky.
Speaker 5: You've ever had.
Speaker 6: You can't okay, it's you score it a nine point five. Okay,
Speaker 6: Later in the tournament someone also scores a nine point five.
Speaker 5: But you can't go back and revisit the first one
Speaker 5: to get a good comparative.
Speaker 2: I'll have him leave a piece because I already know
Speaker 2: he does have all the details. It says, I already
Speaker 2: know it's not been poisoned.
Speaker 5: I mean, couldn't we just have to send in your email?
Speaker 8: Crent?
Speaker 2: Where do they send in to get this started?
Speaker 1: I would say, Oh man, it's either meat eater at
Speaker 1: the meeteater dot com or Radio at the meat eater
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Radio.
Speaker 5: Yeah, radio, let's do radio.
Speaker 8: Send in.
Speaker 2: Send in your proposal your pitch to radio at the
Speaker 2: meeater dot com. But title it subject line me Eater's
Speaker 2: Best gd Jerky Tournament twenty five with a little apostrophe.
Speaker 6: You should reiterate, don't send jerky here.
Speaker 2: This is not where you send jerky. This is where
Speaker 2: you say I have a great jerky recipe. I would
Speaker 2: like to come in and present we scept ten.
Speaker 3: In the check. He wants people to send jerky in
Speaker 3: the mail.
Speaker 2: I don't because I do, but I don't because I
Speaker 2: don't want to get poisoned.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you just have a tester, like a like
Speaker 5: a monarch in the olden days.
Speaker 2: I guess I could have my kids eat it and
Speaker 2: then bring it down the word.
Speaker 5: Yes, we just need to find.
Speaker 6: Also, we just like somebody could just send you some
Speaker 6: old trapper or something. You be like, God, that's some
Speaker 6: good jerk.
Speaker 2: That's why they're gonna come and present.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hm, okay, Meat Eater's Best gd Jerky Tournament twenty five.
Speaker 2: We're gonna pick our ten favorite people. You gotta get
Speaker 2: yourself here. You come in, you present your jerky. We're
Speaker 2: gonna put together mega package. It's gonna include stuff hanging
Speaker 2: on the walls in.
Speaker 5: Here, first out, and we'll get.
Speaker 2: Meat propers seeing equipment. I don't know. We got a
Speaker 2: you can have a Canada. We got a big spin drift.
Speaker 2: Not an official sponsor, but with some out there, well,
Speaker 2: it'll be a great prize package. Joining us on the
Speaker 2: line is John Kapowski, the mammologist, biologist and dean of
Speaker 2: the Hobbe School of Environment and Natural Resources at the
Speaker 2: University of Wyoming. Former me Eater podcast guest he was
Speaker 2: on going way back in the Vault episode two five nine,
Speaker 2: which was titled The Squirrel Doctor is in, Uh what
Speaker 2: Weirdly what prompted this is a thing we're not going
Speaker 2: to talk about exactly, but we're still I've been really
Speaker 2: into this world with this word lately, which is an apothesis, Okay.
Speaker 2: An apothesis is when you're fighting with someone and you
Speaker 2: bring something up by saying you're not going to bring
Speaker 2: it up, So you're gonna fight with your wife, and
Speaker 2: you go and I'm not even gonna talk about what
Speaker 2: happened on Friday. That'd be more like something my wife
Speaker 2: will say to me. I'm gonna fight with my wife.
Speaker 2: My wife says, and I'm not even gonna talk about
Speaker 2: what happened on Friday. That's an apothesis. She's talking about
Speaker 2: it by saying she's not gonna talk about it. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna talk about Peanut, the squirrel whose euthanization by
Speaker 2: New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has made international news.
Speaker 2: This one up getting embroiled in the presidential election. The
Speaker 2: left and the right are both up in arms about
Speaker 2: it over peanut. But again, we are not gonna talk
Speaker 2: about Peanut the squirrel. Rather, rather we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: handful squirrel things. We're gonna lead off John with how
Speaker 2: in the hell, how in the world have fifty new
Speaker 2: squirrel species been discovered in the past decade, And is
Speaker 2: this the kind of thing where they were discovered or
Speaker 2: did we already know about them and then realize they
Speaker 2: were a teats a bit different than other squirrels we
Speaker 2: knew about.
Speaker 7: Well, thanks so much, Steve, great to be here. We
Speaker 7: will not mention peanut rest in peace. And I'm a
Speaker 7: bit mythed right now. I just want to say I
Speaker 7: thought I was coming on for the regretful tattoos.
Speaker 6: We can jump to that and willing.
Speaker 7: To give it. Let's do it. When we think about
Speaker 7: squirrels and diversity, last time we talked for about two
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty species that are recognized. We're about three
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty five right now. And it's a little
Speaker 7: of both. Some of these are you know, as we
Speaker 7: get genetic techniques and people are looking a little more closely,
Speaker 7: or they're looking at the calls at different species, realize
Speaker 7: that that something we previously lumped in as a single
Speaker 7: species might be split a bit. And that's that accounts
Speaker 7: for about half of those new squirrels. And then there
Speaker 7: really are some new squirrels that are are completely new
Speaker 7: to science that are are being described some really cool
Speaker 7: giant flying squirrels about the size of a garbage can
Speaker 7: lids for instance.
Speaker 2: No, wait, really, see that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: See I was, I was, I was like ship talking
Speaker 2: you earlier.
Speaker 7: You always do.
Speaker 2: I was like, love the guy, Love the guy, but
Speaker 2: he's gonna give us a bunch of stuff about them
Speaker 2: realizing there's all these different pine squirrels that they didn't
Speaker 2: realize that they thought were the same thing. But now
Speaker 2: we're onto something new, okay, like legit stuff that we
Speaker 2: didn't know about. That that's that's exciting to hear.
Speaker 7: Yep, exactly. And and I still geek out over the
Speaker 7: you know, the subdividing of things that we are he knew.
Speaker 7: But quite seriously, these are species that in one case,
Speaker 7: one was found in a market in Southeast Asia, and
Speaker 7: that's what prompted people to say, what is this. They
Speaker 7: went up in the mountains, found another kind of the
Speaker 7: brand new species.
Speaker 2: The large Himalayan flying squirrel is it is it of?
Speaker 2: Is it of like a very small population and so
Speaker 2: it's not widely known or is it a like a
Speaker 2: big widespread, thriving population of these squirrels.
Speaker 7: It's it's probably fairly widespread because it's relatively new. Folks
Speaker 7: are just starting to get the sense of how widespread
Speaker 7: they are. But when you think of the Himalayas, you know,
Speaker 7: like many mountaintops here in the Rockies, you get these
Speaker 7: sky islands and often kind of left behind on those
Speaker 7: are some species that were left behind in the recession
Speaker 7: of the glaciers in the last Ice Age. The Himalayas are,
Speaker 7: you know, obviously a very prominent range of mountains and
Speaker 7: not much work has gone on there, and they've got
Speaker 7: species that actually live in cracks in crevices there and
Speaker 7: they glide between cliffs and then feed on the few
Speaker 7: trees that are there. So these are species that are
Speaker 7: about tree line in many cases, and so when we're
Speaker 7: when we're looking at them, we know that they've most
Speaker 7: of There are three species that have been very recently described,
Speaker 7: and all of them there have been multiple individuals reported.
Speaker 7: I just this morning got a camera trap photo from
Speaker 7: Nepal where they said, hey, we've got another one and
Speaker 7: it's a little bit of a range extension probably and
Speaker 7: that kind of thing. So we're just learning. And that's
Speaker 7: what's so fun about this. You know, when any of
Speaker 7: us who are interested in biodiversity, interested in wildlife, something
Speaker 7: like squirrels, you think you know everything about. We find
Speaker 7: out there's all kinds of neat stuff going on that
Speaker 7: we had no idea.
Speaker 2: Karin have mentioned that she had spoken with you about
Speaker 2: a flying squirrel that can fluoresce. Yes, what's up with this?
Speaker 7: So these are the common flying squirrels that you'll see
Speaker 7: throughout North America. Well, and they actually fluoresce under black light,
Speaker 7: under UV light, and they have like blue ears pink
Speaker 7: stripes on them. A professor in Wisconsin was out with
Speaker 7: a black light on a UV light kind of spotlighting
Speaker 7: one evening and something flew across his field of vision
Speaker 7: in the light and it was pink and blue. And
Speaker 7: it turns out that a number of species and we
Speaker 7: have absolutely no idea why fluoresse, and it's not just
Speaker 7: kind of a single color that you think, Ah, that's
Speaker 7: something that's probably not all that meaningful. They actually fluoresce
Speaker 7: with multiple colors in different parts of the body with
Speaker 7: a pattern, so tells you something funky is going on.
Speaker 7: And we've actually learned recently the last decade or two,
Speaker 7: that a lot of birds do the same thing. The
Speaker 7: colors that we see very different than the colors that
Speaker 7: birds see when they're because they're able to detect things
Speaker 7: in that UV those UV wavelengths. So all kinds of
Speaker 7: crazy stuff going on is why I stay with squirrels.
Speaker 2: You know. Years ago I had a conversation with a
Speaker 2: turkey biologist named Robert Abernathy, and we were talking about
Speaker 2: the fluorescent qualities or sorry not not for the iridescent
Speaker 2: qualities of turkey feathers, and he was speculating, we don't
Speaker 2: really know that perhaps a turkey to another like a
Speaker 2: turkey experience, seriences the appearance of another turkey in a
Speaker 2: way that humans do not, Meaning it might be just
Speaker 2: this bright thing that just pops out right, and when
Speaker 2: you look at it, you see a drab bird when
Speaker 2: they look at their like todah, you know, a turkey.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, exactly. And when you think of things that
Speaker 7: are predators of turkeys, they're things that don't see kind
Speaker 7: of in that that visual spectrum, and so they're able
Speaker 7: to convey messages to other birds, possible mates. Maybe it's
Speaker 7: something related to territoriality, but you know what kind of
Speaker 7: condition they're in, and other species may not be able
Speaker 7: to pick those things up quite as well.
Speaker 9: So you know.
Speaker 7: These things are when you see patterns like that, they're
Speaker 7: very likely adaptations, right that just you know, help them
Speaker 7: in the you know, survival of the fittest battle.
Speaker 2: Now, John, we do a thing on the show in
Speaker 2: our network called a rut report where we get into
Speaker 2: white tailed, the white tail deer rut calendar, the breeding
Speaker 2: cycle calendar. I understand that the squirrel rut is coming
Speaker 2: up next month. My friend Kevin Murphy, who I like
Speaker 2: to call him the world's greatest small game hunter, has
Speaker 2: described to me finding what he calls a rut tree
Speaker 2: where he catches the squirrel rut activity going on, and
Speaker 2: he can he'll talk about seeing seven or eight males
Speaker 2: chasing after a single female. I have here in front
Speaker 2: of me that you've bet you've seen rout trees containing
Speaker 2: thirty to forty males in pursuit of a female. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like a barn anchorage.
Speaker 5: The long long odds there.
Speaker 7: Well, exactly, And it's all because most squirrels are the
Speaker 7: females are only in heat for about half a day,
Speaker 7: and so that is your chance. And because squirrels have
Speaker 7: an incredible sense of smell. We know, you know a
Speaker 7: lot of tree squirrels. That's how they're in part relocating
Speaker 7: nuts that they buried. That's a lot of their social
Speaker 7: behaviors is tied to picking up scent fruiting trees, like
Speaker 7: a walnut tree that's in fruit. They pick that up
Speaker 7: by scent. They pick up females who about five days
Speaker 7: before they're five days before they go in into estris,
Speaker 7: and the day of there are often dozens of males
Speaker 7: waiting outside the female's nest cavity in a tree or
Speaker 7: when those leaf nests, those drays, and so I've seen
Speaker 7: up to forty five males chasing a single female. Long
Speaker 7: day for everyone involved. There, I'm guessing, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exciting day. Can you do me a favorite I
Speaker 2: don't want to bring you know, I hope no one
Speaker 2: else is listening to this idea because I want to
Speaker 2: keep it to my own. Can you get me some
Speaker 2: squirrel and heat urine. Has anyone thought to dip a
Speaker 2: cotton ball in that and then just peg it up
Speaker 2: on a tree and then just sit and hunt.
Speaker 7: So it's actually not it doesn't appear to be in urine.
Speaker 7: You have to you have to swipe the private parts
Speaker 7: of the female and that's that's where it's exuded from.
Speaker 2: So everything gets the name complication. And you got a
Speaker 2: half day to do it.
Speaker 9: That's right, So you gotta be quick and convincing once again.
Speaker 2: Uh. John Kapowski joining us from the Hobbes School of
Speaker 2: Environment and Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming, and
Speaker 2: want to applaud John for doing the work that so
Speaker 2: many scientists just get. They just don't want to do
Speaker 2: it because it doesn't work out. Sometimes it does the
Speaker 2: work of interpreting science for idiots. Thank you, John.
Speaker 5: Probably not how he'd phrasy.
Speaker 2: But it's how he thinks about it, and a lot
Speaker 2: of and a lot of researchers just get and I
Speaker 2: understand when they get there, they get to where they
Speaker 2: just can't bring themselves to do it anymore. But John
Speaker 2: is a great sport about coming in and talking about
Speaker 2: squirrel biology squirrel ecology in a way that folks at
Speaker 2: home can understand it. So when you look out a
Speaker 2: window and you can see a squirrel, you can you
Speaker 2: can look to your husband or wife and be like,
Speaker 2: did you know right, and tell them good stuff about squirrels.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, John, I really appreciate you. Coming on, man,
Speaker 2: we're gonna jump into tattoos. I regret, So, John, drop
Speaker 2: your pants. I'm joking. He's not he's not joining us.
Speaker 2: He's not. He's not the tattoo holder. But he can
Speaker 2: stay on the line if he wants to see about
Speaker 2: the tattoos. I regret. These are good ones.
Speaker 3: So this came in wet to do the sound. There's
Speaker 3: no arrested development fans here at the hop.
Speaker 10: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that's not your best work.
Speaker 3: I'll replace it next time you need a segment.
Speaker 2: Uh. This one comes in from northwest Arkansas, which doesn't
Speaker 2: surprise me.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: I thought that was very predictible, not even a little bit.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Okay, he goes the tattoo holder. That's not even the
Speaker 2: good one.
Speaker 3: Phil, Oh, which one are we looking at? I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the first one. These are on the same guy, right, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we can show the the other one next I just
Speaker 3: want to talk about this.
Speaker 2: We'll do it one time.
Speaker 6: Read the email and describe.
Speaker 2: I'm a hunter from northwest Arkansas. I like he's very
Speaker 2: careful word choice he uses. I wouldn't say I regret
Speaker 2: my tattoos. I got the duck Life one at eighteen
Speaker 2: and I'm twenty nine now. I got the Goose one
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. I would picture that it
Speaker 2: would be the opposite. Oh no, to me, it looks
Speaker 2: like you'd have got that goose when he was three and.
Speaker 6: Then got the We can't talk about the goose until people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I got the Goose one a couple
Speaker 2: months ago. Mainly my arm is a joke to my
Speaker 2: duck hunting buddies. Now, oh well, hope y'all like her.
Speaker 6: That's the best part.
Speaker 7: I like.
Speaker 6: I like that the most because he just seems resigned
Speaker 6: to his fate.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just like.
Speaker 5: I think the duck Life one is trying too hard.
Speaker 3: This one is genuinely bad. Here's the Goose one. I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. This is shirt a T shirt with
Speaker 2: people for people that can't that aren't seen. We're talking
Speaker 2: about Duck Life has got three puddle ducks, three mallards, whatever,
Speaker 2: three ducks. I don't know till they are cupped up,
Speaker 2: cupped up, feed out coming in the land I need.
Speaker 2: It's like a little pattern of three ducks. On one
Speaker 2: side it says duck. On the other side it says
Speaker 2: life coming. You gotta make duck life what I okay?
Speaker 2: Then the other one, the other one is a silhouette
Speaker 2: of a Canada goose who's got like seven feathers.
Speaker 6: Looks like it was drawn by a small child.
Speaker 2: He's got eight feathers, and it says, you're honking for
Speaker 2: a bonkin'.
Speaker 5: I love that one.
Speaker 2: So what I like about Duck Life's wear is duck
Speaker 2: Life is versatile because if he gets where he stops
Speaker 2: hunting ducks and just gets generally burned out on life,
Speaker 2: he just needs to have the d turned to an.
Speaker 5: F yep, yep, I had the same thought.
Speaker 2: And and he's got a whole new tattoo, well, a whole
Speaker 2: new meaning. And it's like getting two tattoos for the
Speaker 2: price of one.
Speaker 6: Or if he gets really into whitetail hunting, he could
Speaker 6: go buck life and really.
Speaker 2: Just every week in there, every week draw lining with
Speaker 2: a sharpie and it's a buck life.
Speaker 3: So say that the font choices is uh not what
Speaker 3: you want. I don't like this font at all.
Speaker 2: Or he could become a spokesman for buck knives and
Speaker 2: have it be.
Speaker 5: Buck knife yep.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So that tattoo has versatility.
Speaker 11: It's also huge.
Speaker 2: You're honking for a bonkin. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I need to know more.
Speaker 3: I like it. If it's like high step and it's
Speaker 3: putting its foot forward, No.
Speaker 2: I think that he I think that the goose isn't honking.
Speaker 2: I think he's saying to the geese geese in general,
Speaker 2: when they come and they hank and he's hunting and
Speaker 2: they're honking, he's saying. He's thinking himself, uh, you're honking
Speaker 2: for a bonka.
Speaker 5: So he's addressing the goose there. I took that as
Speaker 5: the goose to be addressing the the a viewer of
Speaker 5: the tattoo.
Speaker 2: I thought it because the goose is saying to his
Speaker 2: some guy in the bar. Some guy in the bar
Speaker 2: is talking a bunch of whatever. Yeah, they're arguing about
Speaker 2: a turtle soup recipe, which is I bring it up
Speaker 2: only because Johnny Paycheck shot a man, literally shot a
Speaker 2: man in the head in an argument about a turtle root.
Speaker 6: Led the scene afterwards, didn't.
Speaker 2: He fled the scene kind of missed creased his head. Anyways,
Speaker 2: They're in a fight about a turtle soup recipe. For instance,
Speaker 2: he holds up his arm to the guy he's fighting with.
Speaker 2: The guy sees the arm and he's like, oh, that's me.
Speaker 2: I'm honking for a bonking fear though, and then the
Speaker 2: guy also his last thought before catching the fists, his
Speaker 2: last thought is, but why is there a goose on there?
Speaker 5: This is this is one of those facts I forget
Speaker 5: about myself for three or four years at a time.
Speaker 5: But when I was three, Uh, a goose broke my toe.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 6: They can be mean, I know.
Speaker 5: So that's like he might think, Oh, yeah, goose can
Speaker 5: be mean. He's telling you when the fist comes.
Speaker 6: To mean that he knocked one down in some grain
Speaker 6: field and needed to go out there and bonk it. Oh,
Speaker 6: who knows.
Speaker 2: Only the tattoo artists art they No one knows.
Speaker 3: We have multiple people in the chat saying that if
Speaker 3: we put the goose one on merch, they would buy
Speaker 3: multiple copies. Honk people love it. People say it's elite.
Speaker 3: They want, they want it on shirts.
Speaker 2: It's elite, it's elitist.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it's just it's high level.
Speaker 3: This is this is just a gen Z lingo.
Speaker 5: Oh gotch Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: I recently got a good lecture on gen Z. But
Speaker 2: they didn't talking about that one. That that lingo. Here's
Speaker 2: the next one. Now this next one, Randon, do you
Speaker 2: might grabbing the painting?
Speaker 5: I'd love to.
Speaker 2: Actually, one of my favorite pieces of artwork of all
Speaker 2: time is from Clay Nuclem. He drew when he was
Speaker 2: a teenager, and it's a future space man.
Speaker 6: Did you see that, Phil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pointed at that this camera. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2: It's a future space man. You know what's fun? Clay
Speaker 2: was taught we were moose hunting, and Clay's telling me
Speaker 2: about what he used to like to draw. He liked
Speaker 2: to draw like future spacemen, but he also liked to
Speaker 2: draw wild hogs. So here a while, a big, huge
Speaker 2: boar is charging a future space man who's fixing the
Speaker 2: gun it down.
Speaker 6: If that's a spaceman, why has he got like a
Speaker 6: Superheen Arthur armor on?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, there's a lot of questions
Speaker 2: Clay then called his mom and said with me. I
Speaker 2: was with him. He called his mom, Hey, you know
Speaker 2: that picture I drew of the She's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and had it, so now we have it framed in
Speaker 2: the office. We got a tattoo of someone basically having
Speaker 2: a sort of truncated, more contained such scene. His note
Speaker 2: is when I was eighteen, I wanted to get my
Speaker 2: first tattoo, and being an avid bird hunter at the
Speaker 2: time and shooting a Browning shotgun, there was only one
Speaker 2: logical idea, the Browning buck mark. I made it appointment.
Speaker 2: I got digressed for a second. I used to work
Speaker 2: with a guy when I worked for my buddy Ronnie.
Speaker 2: I worked with a guy that was preparing to get
Speaker 2: the Bacardi bat tattoo.
Speaker 6: I've seen that one before.
Speaker 2: His brother once set a sentence to me that I'll
Speaker 2: never forget. His brother said to me, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're drinking Bacardi so fast, you get the red splatches
Speaker 2: on your neck tobacco. When I was eighteen, I wanted
Speaker 2: to get my first tattoo, and being an avid bird
Speaker 2: hunter at the time and shooting a Brownie shotgun, there
Speaker 2: was only one logical idea, the Browning buck mark. I
Speaker 2: made an appointment with my brother's longtime tattoo artist and
Speaker 2: got the tattoo on the upper portion of my left arm.
Speaker 2: Since then, the browning buck mark has become synonymous with
Speaker 2: red neckery and overall douche baggery. I've regretted that tattoo
Speaker 2: for almost twenty years. See, I didn't know that the
Speaker 2: browning mark was a widespread tattoo.
Speaker 6: Amongst a certain segment of the population.
Speaker 2: I've regretted that too. I've regretted that tattoo for almost
Speaker 2: twenty years. I finally decided to get a cover up
Speaker 2: so I could once again be proud to show my
Speaker 2: upper arm. I have one more session on the cover up.
Speaker 2: The Nordic the Nordic god Friar is that how he says?
Speaker 6: It's Frere?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is interesting. The Nordic god Freer, from which
Speaker 2: my last name is derived. Pictures included Love the podcast
Speaker 2: and the other podcast on the network Keep It Up
Speaker 2: and It is a Nordic god similar in style to
Speaker 2: Clay's future space Man. The more decidedly period. It's not
Speaker 2: a confusing period. He's carrying a broad sword that comes
Speaker 2: up to his navel.
Speaker 6: He's got a pig, and he.
Speaker 2: Has sort of I gather with him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't seem to be an adversarial relations.
Speaker 5: Well, that's not any old pig. That's Gullen Bursty, the
Speaker 5: golden mained pig, created by the sons of Vivaldi, the
Speaker 5: famous dwarf craftsman. I didn't know that Freer rides Gullan
Speaker 5: Birsty into battle.
Speaker 2: Oh interestingly in battle?
Speaker 6: Yeah, interestingly enough.
Speaker 5: The sons of Vivaldi also made for for uh skied Blaneer,
Speaker 5: the famous ship that always has a favorable breeze and
Speaker 5: can be folded together and carried in a pouch when
Speaker 5: not in use.
Speaker 2: How do you know all that looked it up. Here's
Speaker 2: the problem. I don't want to hack on him because
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I think where he's when he talks
Speaker 2: about the tattoo he regrets he's talking about the one
Speaker 2: that was hiding under there. Sure, yeah, So just I
Speaker 2: don't want to hack on this one because I because
Speaker 2: you know, I could spoil the relationship.
Speaker 5: This is this is the after, this is the glow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna say like, I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, good lord, I like that tattoo.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's anything to regret about that one.
Speaker 6: He put a lot of thought into that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like that hog in the background, but
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, tusks. Those are big tusks.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: My old man killed a hog in Arkansas, and when
Speaker 2: he got the hog, the hog stuffed. I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: this hog and bring it home me someday. When he
Speaker 2: got the hog stuffed, he did that thing that you
Speaker 2: used to do where you barely, you know what, You
Speaker 2: pull the tusks out, but then you glue them back in.
Speaker 2: When you're all done, you barely stick it out there,
Speaker 2: and do it so all the root right, like most
Speaker 2: like three two thirds of the tusk is doesn't stick
Speaker 2: about the gum line. But you fell it full of
Speaker 2: hot glue and just barely stick the tusk in there.
Speaker 2: And it looks like some apparition from hell.
Speaker 6: You get a couple out of them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this thing's got these tusts, You're like,
Speaker 2: it looks like a warhog.
Speaker 5: It's like when my skull caps fall off the shelf
Speaker 5: and I have to epoxy him back together, and I
Speaker 5: wang the antlers out another two or three and hold.
Speaker 2: Them out and give another inch of hide and hold
Speaker 2: them out. Yeah for sure, all right, fantastic tattoo. If
Speaker 2: you could ever do me the favor of taking a
Speaker 2: picture of that tattoo. What's this gentleman's name, Russ? Russ,
Speaker 2: If you could do me a picture and send it
Speaker 2: to us, take a picture of your tattoo and then
Speaker 2: go in and highlight where the old tattoo is hiding.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be very interesting.
Speaker 3: But that makes it a pretty good cover up because
Speaker 3: we can't tell.
Speaker 2: Oh, you, I don't know what's a cover up. And
Speaker 2: like when that guy gets, you know, f life, I
Speaker 2: don't know that I'll think it's a cover up either.
Speaker 2: I wonder why I had ducks in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ducks are just they're taking off for greener past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ducks are leaving life. Yes, going to the afterlife.
Speaker 2: We're gonna cut down to a rut report from Yanni
Speaker 2: Uh the lavr Lover the Lava and Eagle, Yanni Chimani
Speaker 2: just Yanni Jannis Janice Uh in Louisiana. They can't the
Speaker 2: Cajuns cannot say, ye, honest, they can't. They the Cajuns
Speaker 2: had to eventually arrive at that he is just ja.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. There's something about being a Cajun that
Speaker 2: makes it that not only can you not remember it,
Speaker 2: you can't say it.
Speaker 5: They'd be like, you know, we all have our own challenges.
Speaker 3: This is actually a double reperport. We've got Mark Kenyon
Speaker 3: first and then yes, oh I'm sorry, yeah, double the content.
Speaker 2: Okay, but before that.
Speaker 6: Well we should tell run.
Speaker 2: Can't believe it's already here.
Speaker 11: Kenn's gonna tell you what should dude protects you bye,
Speaker 11: because you're what the kids goodbye. Don't decide to desert you.
Speaker 5: What a gift.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Here's the reperport.
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyan here with Wired to Hunt, and
Speaker 10: I'm coming at you with the rut report for November seventh.
Speaker 10: And I'm here hunting in Kentucky, just kicked off a
Speaker 10: hunt and the whitetail rut should be on now.
Speaker 12: I haven't seen sign of it yet myself, but all.
Speaker 10: Reports I'm hearing from across the country are that dose
Speaker 10: are coming into heat, bucks are chasing, bucks are cruising.
Speaker 2: It's on.
Speaker 10: November seventh, is the day that a lot of folks
Speaker 10: claim to be maybe the very best day of the
Speaker 10: entire white tail rut, and this next week or so
Speaker 10: should be absolutely lights out for almost the entire country.
Speaker 10: There are some places down in the South that have
Speaker 10: slightly different running dates, but for most.
Speaker 12: Folks listening, this is it.
Speaker 10: This is the Super Bowl user vacation time, use up
Speaker 10: the brownie points in the bank. Whatever you need to
Speaker 10: do to be in the tree, do it now. An
Speaker 10: important thing to note for large parts of the country.
Speaker 10: Right now we are seeing warmer than average temperatures and
Speaker 10: there's definitely some rain going on too, so less than
Speaker 10: ideal conditions. But you need to know that despite these
Speaker 10: conditions that maybe aren't great, the rut is still happening
Speaker 10: and good action is out there to be had.
Speaker 12: The midday might be a.
Speaker 10: Little bit slower, but be in a tree, be in
Speaker 10: the key, rut spots downwindo doll, betting areas, pinch points, funnels.
Speaker 10: Tree time is key, so do not let the bad
Speaker 10: weather keep you home.
Speaker 2: This is it. Anything is possible.
Speaker 10: Time in the tree, time in the tree, time in
Speaker 10: the tree. Good luck out there.
Speaker 2: Well, I started over, I got so distracted by Yonn
Speaker 2: he cleared his nose, that I missed the part of
Speaker 2: the rut report.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's here it again.
Speaker 2: Hold on, do people know that it's live? Mostly? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because this isn't live. We just started it over again.
Speaker 3: Well, the pre recorded videos are certainly not live, but
Speaker 3: there should be a disclaimer. I don't think that's a
Speaker 3: ship you're about to here is not live. Saturday Night
Speaker 3: Live has lots of pre recorded videos. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Here's y live, Time in the tree, Time in the tree.
Speaker 2: Good luck out there.
Speaker 5: Glad we got that mantra again.
Speaker 1: Here's the ns RUT report for November sixth.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: First off, what you need to know is that I
Speaker 1: picked the wrong spot today. I sat in that tree
Speaker 1: right behind me for six hours this morning and did
Speaker 1: not see a single beer. Beautiful morning here in central Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: It started off at about forty degrees, it's now fifty.
Speaker 1: The wind's blowing five to ten out of the north northwest.
Speaker 1: I mean, really just a prime, prime morning for the RUT.
Speaker 1: So although I didn't see any running myself, I'm on
Speaker 1: sure that there's some running going on somewhere not too
Speaker 1: far from me. I hunted a ridgetop today to be
Speaker 1: in the woods and have a good spot for this
Speaker 1: north wind. Just picked the wrong one. We just didn't
Speaker 1: have the right buck come down that ridge behind me
Speaker 1: right there, or that one right there. So anyways, I'm
Speaker 1: changing spots right now. I'm gonna go hunt on a
Speaker 1: very small ridge. It's very close to the neighbors fields
Speaker 1: where we've had fifteen to twenty doze every single evening,
Speaker 1: and I think there's been some bucks out there too,
Speaker 1: but we've got pick pictures of the big box, a
Speaker 1: couple of them daylighting. The cameras have been slow the
Speaker 1: last two days because it's been raining. It's been wet, wet, wet, wet, wet.
Speaker 1: Now it's dried out. The tempest drops ten to fifteen degrees,
Speaker 1: so the next to the next two three days should
Speaker 1: be phenomenal. And so my plan is for the evening
Speaker 1: and probably most evenings, is to get down closer to
Speaker 1: the food, which is gonna be closer to the doze,
Speaker 1: which is gonna bring me a big buck encounter. So
Speaker 1: hopefully that will happen. Maybe next week I can give
Speaker 1: you a little bit more of an exciting report to
Speaker 1: all of you out there sitting or about to be sitting.
Speaker 1: Good luck, stick to it. It's gonna happen any moment.
Speaker 2: Be oh, oh sweet, thank you, Yanni. I made the
Speaker 2: really stupid mistake one day of looking at Yanni had
Speaker 2: some posts on on Instagram, and I was looking at
Speaker 2: the comments, and this woman's like freaking out on him
Speaker 2: because he's gonna him talk and he's got family property Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Him talking about that's gonna make everybody in Wisconsin, everybody
Speaker 2: start hunting Wisconsin.
Speaker 12: What's this?
Speaker 2: What's this strange fiftieth state I'm hearing about?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 2: W Yeah? Uh, we're gonna jump over now to our
Speaker 2: interview around again. Oh what Krin put a whole tattoo
Speaker 2: over the whole thing. I couldn't see what was going
Speaker 2: on the document. I touched the document. Let's take a break.
Speaker 2: I'm reading. Let's take a break for some listener feedback.
Speaker 3: Phil, Let's do it. Okay, this one seems time sensitive.
Speaker 3: It came in a while ago. But average human guys asking, Hey,
Speaker 3: everyone's sitting in my ground blind for a buck, thinking
Speaker 3: of going to pull a card from a camera down
Speaker 3: and drainage after the pod? Should I hold off in
Speaker 3: fear of scent or go check once? What would you do?
Speaker 2: There's too many? I can't there's too many variables. I
Speaker 2: can't say, does he gotta walk right past the spot
Speaker 2: anyway that's true? Is it?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: Uh? I can't. I don't know do it.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't do it if that's where we're expecting to
Speaker 6: see a buck. Stay out of there.
Speaker 3: There you are, Eric's asking Steve to Claire fight your
Speaker 3: turkey tattoo. You've talked about it a couple of times
Speaker 3: in the past, but I wonder if you've come to
Speaker 3: any sort of realization I want.
Speaker 2: To do it. It's like, what I like is that
Speaker 2: I like that me and my wife are the last
Speaker 2: couple in America to have no tattoo.
Speaker 6: Me and my wife don't have me either, second to last.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to get and I stole this idea.
Speaker 2: I want to get the outline of North America tattooed
Speaker 2: and then either either get the spot's little turkey feet
Speaker 2: tattooed on there where I killed my You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a two time super slam holder, m where I killed
Speaker 2: my super slams, or just put turkey feet everywhere I've
Speaker 2: ever gotten any turkey at all.
Speaker 6: I like that better.
Speaker 2: My wife thinks it's a terrible idea. I know in
Speaker 2: the back of my head. It's a terrible idea, and
Speaker 2: I might do what Pat Durkin did. Pat Durkin has
Speaker 2: a lot of tattoos. Now, he waited till he was old.
Speaker 2: He knew he wouldn't live long enough to regret him,
Speaker 2: and then he got that's it. That was his plan.
Speaker 6: And when you get get tattoos when you're young, and
Speaker 6: then you get old, those tattoos start to look a
Speaker 6: little different as an age.
Speaker 2: But if I got it fresh now, I still might, like,
Speaker 2: let's say I live to be eighty, I still might
Speaker 2: have to live twenty years wishing I hadn't done that.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if you're in dow it, go big,
Speaker 6: do your whole back.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, if you go with the every turkey
Speaker 5: have killed, I feel like you'd have to have a
Speaker 5: pretty sizable map so that you could Yep, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be hot. It's gonna be what would look like
Speaker 2: hot spots.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you put like a bigger track where you've
Speaker 5: killed more than more than six.
Speaker 3: H John's asking about tips on how to get kids
Speaker 3: more involved in butchering and processing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got huge tips on this. Randall has none.
Speaker 2: Brody's got hot tips my I got my kids started
Speaker 2: in that kind of stuff so young that they never
Speaker 2: had a realization that it was anything unusual. Like they
Speaker 2: just have always been involved, always done it. There was
Speaker 2: never a moment where they're like, yeah, what is that.
Speaker 2: They can't remember, They don't remember ever not helping gut
Speaker 2: stuff if you would grab and I could hand them anything.
Speaker 6: If you wait too long, they'll start thinking it's gross.
Speaker 6: But when they're little, they're super interesting in all.
Speaker 2: That idea stuff. I could take anything in the any
Speaker 2: bloody thing on the planet, like hold that my kids
Speaker 2: are gonna grab it, yep. And on food, I could
Speaker 2: serve them cat house cat. They have just always we've
Speaker 2: always made them just eat stuff and now we don't
Speaker 2: have to hear about it.
Speaker 6: Start young, yeah, and get them involved with like like
Speaker 6: that they turning it into food kind of thing like
Speaker 6: making burger, making sausage that like my kids love doing that.
Speaker 6: So like take it, like don't just stop at the gutting,
Speaker 6: like go the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yep. I remember my kids Like little jobs I would
Speaker 2: get my kids is they I would if I'm grinding meat,
Speaker 2: I I you know, very careful, like not joking, very
Speaker 2: careful about them their hands around the grinder, so bear
Speaker 2: with me. Give them the job of taking the cube
Speaker 2: ut meat out of the toe or out of the tub,
Speaker 2: putting it in the pan. Give them the job of
Speaker 2: turning the hand crank on the sausage stuff, or give
Speaker 2: them the job of putting stuff in the bag. The
Speaker 2: other day I had my kid. We were bagging up
Speaker 2: some stuff. We were bagging all the jerky we made,
Speaker 2: were bagging up the jerky you made. My kid was
Speaker 2: in charge of hitting the button on the vac siler.
Speaker 2: Like little jobs. Make it fun, don't make it go
Speaker 2: on for like nine hours. Get them involved. They know
Speaker 2: the stuff and just the key is starting them young,
Speaker 2: and you'll never have to go through any of that
Speaker 2: weird stuff when they when they freak out.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Let's do one more with the show's running a long,
Speaker 3: but we're all having a good time, so we'll tackle
Speaker 3: some more of these at the end of the show,
Speaker 3: depending on what time it is. We've got some guests
Speaker 3: on the line waiting to come on.
Speaker 2: Doing one right now or not running.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're do one more right now, Steve, did you
Speaker 3: hear about Lanna del Rey marrying an alligator?
Speaker 2: Guide my neighbor told me about that, but no, I
Speaker 2: haven't looked it up yet.
Speaker 3: Well, both when when Spencer and I heard the news,
Speaker 3: both of us thought about you and how you're feeling
Speaker 3: about this, because it seems like it's like a you
Speaker 3: type character, and she was into him enough to marry him.
Speaker 3: So I'm just wondering how you're feeling about.
Speaker 2: So You're you're suggesting that I would You're suggesting that
Speaker 2: I would be looking like that, I would have a
Speaker 2: feeling of jealousy.
Speaker 3: Your wife suggested that as well.
Speaker 2: She did. Yep, no, no, no one ought to say this,
Speaker 2: and I've told my neighbor this. Nobody, nobody understands her
Speaker 2: music properly except me. That's all I'm gonna say on
Speaker 2: the whole subject.
Speaker 3: All Right, we can move on the show.
Speaker 2: I will someday write a book. After I write my
Speaker 2: book about how it's okay to hate Shakespeare, I will
Speaker 2: write a book about.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'll write a book about what is going on in
Speaker 2: those lyrics?
Speaker 8: Hard to read it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to write it. To continue our giant
Speaker 2: gloat about proposition one twenty seven, We're going to talk
Speaker 2: really quickly to Gasper para Cone, and we're gonna go
Speaker 2: talk to a houndsman who one guy that that really
Speaker 2: helped drive and and and win this fight, and one
Speaker 2: guy that would have been really screwed had this fight
Speaker 2: not gone the way it did. So we're taking a
Speaker 2: two pronged approach to it. Welcome gasper, Welcome, gentlemen. Tell
Speaker 2: me what do you think was the key man?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: What what? What wound up? What wound up happening?
Speaker 13: Well, I got to start by saying, this is the
Speaker 13: only show in America that I think can segue from
Speaker 13: the swabbing of squirrel privates to honkin for a bonkin,
Speaker 13: to house cat seeing to maybe the most consequential political
Speaker 13: outcome on the state based ballot mat.
Speaker 2: It's elastic.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously a monumental achievement for both
Speaker 14: the defense of and the promotion of science based wildlife
Speaker 14: management in this country, and I think a very clear
Speaker 14: validation of the role that hunter harvest plays in this
Speaker 14: Plus you know, look, let's take a quick moment to
Speaker 14: just revel in the fact that we sent for the
Speaker 14: first time in Colorado the anti hunting community pack and
Speaker 14: on a political measure.
Speaker 13: So, uh, you know, just a real surprising and tremendous outcome.
Speaker 13: And you know, to your question, Steve, you know what
Speaker 13: was the difference here? Uh, let's dive into the numbers
Speaker 13: and then I'll leave you with my takeaways. But look,
Speaker 13: we're you know, obviously a huge victory. We had forty
Speaker 13: four point five per five to three percent voting yes,
Speaker 13: with fifty five point four to seven percent of Colorado
Speaker 13: voters coming out against Proposition one twenty seven. We won
Speaker 13: fifty nine of sixty four counties statewide. Obviously, the urban
Speaker 13: demographic continued to vote in favor of it, as we've
Speaker 13: seen in both one to fourteen, which was the wolf
Speaker 13: proposition in previous ones. But we've turned the tide here
Speaker 13: in a very real and meaningful way.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh No, what I was gonna say is
Speaker 2: within this, I think that's what I'd like you to
Speaker 2: touch on too. And you talk about what worked is
Speaker 2: I just want to point out to the listeners, is
Speaker 2: there's this obvious thing where this was not that fifty
Speaker 2: five percent of the vote in Colorado was not coming
Speaker 2: from houndsman. I mean, you don't have you know, you
Speaker 2: got probably sub one thousand houndsmen. But it was voters
Speaker 2: not just not voting about a thing that they felt
Speaker 2: was going to immediately affect them individuals, but coming out
Speaker 2: to vote against a dangerous trend in wildlife management. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't motivated by it wasn't motivated by deeply personal incentives.
Speaker 13: I think that's exactly right, and that underscores I think
Speaker 13: what was so unique about the way in which we
Speaker 13: approached this campaign. So, you know, I think there's three
Speaker 13: primary takeaways here. The first is when we as a
Speaker 13: community can find cause to coalesce around a particular issue
Speaker 13: and a singular strategy, and we do it in a
Speaker 13: manner that supports a professional campaign, we as sportsmen and
Speaker 13: women can win these things. We had an awful lot
Speaker 13: of naysayers early on who bore witness to the outcomes
Speaker 13: at Prop One fourteen and frankly every other ballot measure
Speaker 13: that's been put forward that's wildlife related in Colorado, and
Speaker 13: there wasn't a lot of faith that we could pull
Speaker 13: this off. But we took a very smart and strategic
Speaker 13: approach in how we developed the campaign, which brings me
Speaker 13: to the second takeaway that I think is probably of
Speaker 13: the greatest significance, and the lesson to carry forward as
Speaker 13: we begin to continue this fight in other states. And
Speaker 13: that is and tangential to the point that I just made,
Speaker 13: But how we engage matters. It's relatively easy to take
Speaker 13: stock of this outcome and believe that the effort to
Speaker 13: rally our troops and just fight the anti hunting efforts
Speaker 13: is the only factor that led to this win. On
Speaker 13: the other hand, while you know that is certainly important,
Speaker 13: I think what is a far greater significance, and the
Speaker 13: reason that we actually won is we intentionally and strategically
Speaker 13: engage the non hunting voting population with messages that resonated
Speaker 13: to them. We knew early on in order to win
Speaker 13: that we're going to have to dedicate the majority of
Speaker 13: our campaign efforts to talking to that persuasion universe. And
Speaker 13: we're talking to soccer moms in Denver and Boulder who
Speaker 13: have never purchased a hunting and a fishing license. You know,
Speaker 13: when you make up eight percent of the population, you
Speaker 13: can't rest on your laurels. You need to be very
Speaker 13: concerned in your effort to talk to folks and meet
Speaker 13: them where they're at with a message that means something
Speaker 13: to them. In our landscape, and we were able to
Speaker 13: do that effectively, And I think that is the real
Speaker 13: core understanding and takeaway coming out of this.
Speaker 12: But the third is these are not partisan issues.
Speaker 13: All too often we get wrapped up in thinking this
Speaker 13: is a Democrat versus Republican fight. But look, I mean
Speaker 13: we outperformed one twenty seven even by a full point
Speaker 13: over Colorado that went fifty four percent for Harris.
Speaker 12: It's a clear demonstration that.
Speaker 13: Voters of all variety, Democrat, Republican, independent, unaffiliated, all resonated
Speaker 13: with our message and turned out, even to the point
Speaker 13: where we were exceeding votes cast for President Harris in Colorado.
Speaker 12: It's just it's a remarkable outcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. Now I got to ask you a question,
Speaker 2: and why I be totally honest with you, and I'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you in my asking of it. I
Speaker 2: got I got a little pessimistic leading up to the election.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised or did you know how this was
Speaker 2: going to land?
Speaker 12: Look, this was a long fight.
Speaker 13: For those that work in this world, you always go
Speaker 13: through the roller coasters of up and downs, and numbers
Speaker 13: changed throughout the course of the campaign based on what
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 12: Voter sentiments are.
Speaker 13: Uh, it became relatively evident to us about two weeks
Speaker 13: out that we were very likely to win this.
Speaker 2: We had that was right when I started to get pessimist.
Speaker 5: Loop him in next time.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's inherent in human
Speaker 13: voter behavior to worry, right, Yeah, we had. We had
Speaker 13: pretty good indication based on the data that we were collecting,
Speaker 13: that we were likely to win this about a week
Speaker 13: and a half out. I will tell you I did
Speaker 13: not anticipate an eleven point margin.
Speaker 12: By any stretch of the imagination. That was surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, congratulations, man, you were in there, and I
Speaker 2: know you know, as you eagerly point out yourself, you
Speaker 2: were in there along with many other people on it.
Speaker 2: Fantastic You guys did a fantastic job. And congratulations there
Speaker 2: and hopefully this will lead to a long string of
Speaker 2: victories as hunters and anglers continue to need to fight
Speaker 2: against an animal rights movement that would seek the shout
Speaker 2: down our way of life. So, man, hats off, fantastic job,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on.
Speaker 12: Well, and I want to thank you guys for all
Speaker 12: that you've done. I do want to give a shout.
Speaker 13: Out to Dan Gates and Responsible Wildlife Management for leading
Speaker 13: the charge on this. Mark Truax, who ran the day
Speaker 13: to day campaign, did a fantastic job.
Speaker 12: And look, you hit the nail on the head. This
Speaker 12: fight's not over already.
Speaker 13: This morning CATS has come out calling on the Colorado
Speaker 13: Parks and Wildlife Commission to take a very close and
Speaker 13: concerted look at whether we.
Speaker 12: Ought to continue to allow the use of hounds for.
Speaker 8: Line.
Speaker 13: So, you know, despite is I think, you know, let's
Speaker 13: take a moment and pat ourselves on the back for
Speaker 13: the victory in one twenty seven, but we're a long
Speaker 13: ways from done.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, all right, thank you. Take that to heart, man,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right. Jumping out real quick to a friend of ours,
Speaker 2: Cody Farrion. Cody's been on the show in the past,
Speaker 2: and he was on a long time ago. We did
Speaker 2: an episode with power hitter New York mets power hitter
Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo, and Cody was hanging out with us and
Speaker 2: we talked about Cody's business as a he does feral
Speaker 2: cattle capture. So now and then you wind up in
Speaker 2: a situation where people got feral cattle running around could
Speaker 2: be on posing a public wrath, posing a public threat
Speaker 2: on public lands, public safety issues, habitat destruction, whatever, And
Speaker 2: you'll need to get these kyles caught. That's Cody's business,
Speaker 2: catch a wild cattle. He's also a land and ranch
Speaker 2: manager and does He's a very avid lifelong houndsman and
Speaker 2: lion hunter. Welcome to the show, Cody, thanks for coming on. Man.
Speaker 3: So Cody was waiting and he's he disappeared a few
Speaker 3: minutes ago. Damn, he's he's in the green room. We
Speaker 3: just I just can't see him, and I don't think
Speaker 3: he can hear us. So I don't know where he went.
Speaker 2: Oh, we lost him. We just I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, Cody. Have we not lost him?
Speaker 2: And you guys can just make up your own question
Speaker 2: in your mind, as I would have to wonder. Like
Speaker 2: I've often said, and I hesitate to bring this up,
Speaker 2: I've often said that like, if all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it all sudden, hunting became illegal for reasons that I
Speaker 2: didn't think we're justified in terms of wildlife populations, would
Speaker 2: you then become like would you become like a type
Speaker 2: figure I was gonna ask Cody, if you're a houndsman,
Speaker 2: and you have and you have hounds and your whole
Speaker 2: life you're a houndsman. You like to chase lions, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they say you can't do you
Speaker 2: then just go and be like, what do you do.
Speaker 6: Dogs for a walk in the wood.
Speaker 5: It's hard to keep a low profile as a hounceman. Yeah,
Speaker 5: if you love to bow hunt whitetails, you could probably
Speaker 5: pull that off.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, I think I'm going to probably take
Speaker 2: a little mosey in the woods of my boat on that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it's hard to like quietly take your
Speaker 2: hounds out. I don't know what you would do. I'm
Speaker 2: not again, I'm not here to give legal advice.
Speaker 6: Yes, is you'd probably still be in business because they'd
Speaker 6: outlaw hunting. But then the game agency would call you
Speaker 6: to help them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, nuisance cat.
Speaker 2: They'd be like, Okay, now we got to pay people
Speaker 2: to kill five hundred lions a year?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 8: Are we doing?
Speaker 2: Indefensible law? Who's got one?
Speaker 6: You want to go first? Randall, doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: I'm happy, do you not just waiting for that?
Speaker 2: We've got I got a million infencible law.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was trying to think of one. And
Speaker 5: so many of my laws I found are just purely
Speaker 5: I mean defensible. I have a hard time arguing.
Speaker 6: To you there.
Speaker 5: But in the in the spirit of this week, having
Speaker 5: seen all of the u I voted, you know, make
Speaker 5: sure you get out and vote, make sure you do
Speaker 5: this and that, I was reminded of a law that
Speaker 5: I have thought about. I think about it every spring,
Speaker 5: and that is this. I wish it were illegal to
Speaker 5: publicize draw deadlines.
Speaker 2: Make it more insight.
Speaker 5: Every March April. May you see people posting like, don't
Speaker 5: forget to apply for moosecoat sheep And I think to myself,
Speaker 5: I've had those on my calendar for months now. And
Speaker 5: you know, it's not that like agents. You know, the
Speaker 5: agencies would still publish the draw eight. It wouldn't be
Speaker 5: a secret, but people would actually have to look up
Speaker 5: when they need to get their applications in because I
Speaker 5: think if you'd forget to apply for a big horn
Speaker 5: sheep tag. And this is where maybe it becomes a
Speaker 5: little bit of a hot take that you shouldn't then
Speaker 5: draw one. And I'll point out too that people when
Speaker 5: you are looking for a job and you see a
Speaker 5: great job ad, you're like, oh, this would be a
Speaker 5: huge opportunity.
Speaker 2: To send me around.
Speaker 5: Do you post it and say, hey, guys, I found
Speaker 5: this job at some guys some guys not looking for
Speaker 5: a job who's maybe perfectly happy without that job, throws
Speaker 5: his resume and that guy gets the job. So I
Speaker 5: would just ask that, you know, it's sort of fun
Speaker 5: to advertise that you're participating in this in this thing.
Speaker 5: You know, it's sort of like a a badge of
Speaker 5: pride or or sort of identifying with your tribe by saying, hey,
Speaker 5: don't forget. I'd actually prefer that those people who have
Speaker 5: forgotten to not apply.
Speaker 6: But trying to use this law to reduce competition for.
Speaker 2: Yourself and to make it more like more of a
Speaker 2: if you get it, if you deserve it, you deserve
Speaker 2: it by it.
Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to This is the one way
Speaker 5: I think, like, I'm not trying to make it harder
Speaker 5: for people to apply. I'm not trying to like price
Speaker 5: people out. I'm not trying to like keep new applicants
Speaker 5: out of the pool. I'm just saying, if you can't
Speaker 5: remember to put in for those once in a lifetime tags.
Speaker 6: Put a little notice on your Google if you can't
Speaker 6: if yeah, like like there's a bare minimum threshold.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. I like it. I like that law.
Speaker 2: Let's pass it. And then I think we should do
Speaker 2: away with those little stickers you get with a flag
Speaker 2: on it that says I applied.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 5: You know that's what made me think of this.
Speaker 6: You need to gabble to prove the law.
Speaker 2: Oh where's your fish bonker? Brody's was your uncle's fish bond? Dad?
Speaker 2: This dad's fish bonker? U approved? Now, I want you
Speaker 2: to know I've never done what you're saying. The only
Speaker 2: time I would ever remind someone to apply for something
Speaker 2: is if I wanted to go along if they drew
Speaker 2: it right. I only do it if it affects me. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 2: I thought of one that related to this whole voting company,
Speaker 2: this whole you're you're tying it into, Like I voted
Speaker 2: congratulatory stickers, which crane was running around, and I gather.
Speaker 2: I think this is the old idea. I think you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to vote unless you can pass a
Speaker 2: quiz that everyone like both sides, everyone agrees on the questions.
Speaker 2: A current events quiz get to pass the current events
Speaker 2: quiz and if you need to opt for an oral quiz,
Speaker 2: will provide staff to give you an oral quiz. I
Speaker 2: don't think you should just be able to go down
Speaker 2: there and vote, because leading up to the election, I
Speaker 2: would be talking to people and they'll tell me things,
Speaker 2: and I would know I'd be like, what you're saying
Speaker 2: is just not like that's not a thing. You're talking
Speaker 2: about a thing that's impossible.
Speaker 6: What about like not only current events, but a little
Speaker 6: like American history, basic civics.
Speaker 2: I think then gonna get in trouble with people. This
Speaker 2: is already an incendiary This is the definition of an indefensible.
Speaker 5: I mean I did have that. I had. I actually
Speaker 5: had an analog to that in my uh in my
Speaker 5: indefensible law, which was like you have to identify the animal,
Speaker 5: like if you're putting if you're putting in for a
Speaker 5: big horn sheep tag.
Speaker 2: What is a big horn sheep?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Point like here's three animals. Point out because like.
Speaker 6: Perhaps even identify a legal ran to.
Speaker 5: Hunt bears, Yeah, to hunt bears in Montana, you have
Speaker 5: to be able. You have to take that online quiz.
Speaker 5: You know this is a grizzly, this.
Speaker 2: Is a black bear unpass a law. This is not
Speaker 2: accepted because I applied for a sandbar gear tag in
Speaker 2: Florida one time and I wouldn't So that's still to
Speaker 2: this day couldn't tell you what one means in the i.
Speaker 5: OT in the reconciliation process, I decided to do away
Speaker 5: with that because I did think that was a barrier
Speaker 5: maybe too far. It's just like, do you want it?
Speaker 5: You can figure out what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Sandbardier on some island in Florida, and I thought that
Speaker 2: sounds fun. I don't know, tell they look like yep.
Speaker 2: But and also he reminded me. But it wasn't a
Speaker 2: public announcement.
Speaker 5: Bro you got yeah, yeah, texting your buddy.
Speaker 6: I got a big one. Catch and release fishing should
Speaker 6: be illegal. Oh come on yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's appropriate that I approved that I approve this
Speaker 2: with Brody's Fish Bonder.
Speaker 6: If any like, if any given species of fish on
Speaker 6: any given body of water can't support a catch and
Speaker 6: keep season there, should you shouldn't be able to fish
Speaker 6: for them at all? Like come on, like and like
Speaker 6: the dudes that are like patting themselves on a back
Speaker 6: after a fifty letting fifty fish go in a day.
Speaker 6: They killed exactly. And finally, if you were to sink
Speaker 6: a cable into the ground and attach a big cable
Speaker 6: snare to it, put a little noose on there and
Speaker 6: bait that that thing with a carrot or an apple
Speaker 6: and get a deer, then mess with it, take pictures
Speaker 6: of it. Let let it wear itself out and let
Speaker 6: it go. You get thrown in jail. Like, don't look
Speaker 6: at fish the same.
Speaker 2: You killed that book. No, I just caught him, exhausted him,
Speaker 2: took a picture of him.
Speaker 5: Rode him around for a while, and I shook him
Speaker 5: around in the water for a minute and he's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well I kind of had to like resuscitate
Speaker 2: him a little bit. Yeah, I breathed into his nostrils.
Speaker 2: I mean he kind of limped off.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, I had to push him two or three times.
Speaker 6: But it's like fish, they get it. They get treated horrible.
Speaker 2: Because they don't have eyelashes slashes. You wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: do that to him or souls.
Speaker 6: You know, either, or you'd have to make some exceptions
Speaker 6: and let people go. Let you know, if it's like
Speaker 6: an unintentional bycatch of a fish, you're not supposed to
Speaker 6: be fishing for it. But yeah, man, it should be illegal.
Speaker 2: I Phil his one last listener feedback.
Speaker 3: We've got your buddy Cody in right now. He's kind
Speaker 3: of popping in and out, but let's let's give it
Speaker 3: a shot. Here, Hold on one second.
Speaker 2: Holy cow, he's back, Cody Farrion.
Speaker 8: Hey, what up?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 8: Cody?
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question. I don't want
Speaker 2: you to I don't want you to admit that you
Speaker 2: would become a vigilanti. What in the world as as
Speaker 2: a lifelong houndsman, lifelong lion hunter, you got I don't
Speaker 2: know how many dogs, right, you got You've got livestock,
Speaker 2: you got horses, you got dogs, you got the whole infrastructure.
Speaker 2: You spent your whole life doing this. You always look
Speaker 2: forward to the winner. All of a sudden they come
Speaker 2: and say, hey, we had a vote, and you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to do that anymore. What in the hell would
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 8: Be pretty tough to take, right.
Speaker 15: It would almost take an honest person and turn him
Speaker 15: into an outlaw for sure.
Speaker 5: Civil disobedience.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 2: How how were you feeling that day? Man? Was that
Speaker 2: the thing was that the part of the election you
Speaker 2: were watching most sort of most hotly, most personally.
Speaker 8: I was in the top two for sure, But.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I was kind of real pessimistic there at the
Speaker 15: end of it. But we had so many good people
Speaker 15: pulling for us, and I think education was kind of
Speaker 15: what really in the end pulled through. Just like mister
Speaker 15: Gasper was saying that there was a lot of people
Speaker 15: that voted for the wealth of the animal, you know,
Speaker 15: just not for because they were educating the fact that
Speaker 15: they knew to do the right thing. So it worked
Speaker 15: out good for sure, but there is still what two
Speaker 15: million uneducated people that were going to have to enlighten
Speaker 15: on why we still need hunting and use the North
Speaker 15: American model to do so.
Speaker 8: And yeah, hey.
Speaker 2: Man, man, tell us real quick, who's behind you there? Cody?
Speaker 8: That would be I got uh rot and Thelma.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys doing a victory lap.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we've been dancing all morning.
Speaker 2: And uh and Cody, when does your season start? Like,
Speaker 2: when are you gonna go out and start looking for tracks?
Speaker 15: Actually, we're hunting cattle down south now. We got some
Speaker 15: snow down down by Los Alamos and we've been down
Speaker 15: there running dogs and then lion season will start the
Speaker 15: end of the big game Hunt for season which is
Speaker 15: the end of this month. Plus CPW, which there's a
Speaker 15: great group of guys down here with our colorhod Parks
Speaker 15: and wildlife there are employing another lion study in this
Speaker 15: unit or these units down here, So not only will
Speaker 15: we be able to pursue lions and take them, but
Speaker 15: we're gonna probably coller a bunch of lines for CPW
Speaker 15: for a line study.
Speaker 8: So it's all good.
Speaker 2: Excellent, man up, keep up the great work. I always love
Speaker 2: hearing your stories. Thanks for coming on, catch in with you.
Speaker 2: We'll touch in with you again down the road once
Speaker 2: Lion Season gets rolling. Cody Farrion, thanks so much.
Speaker 8: Man, awesome, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: All right, Phil and Hit, did you want to do
Speaker 2: one last feedback a week?
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll turn this into kind of like a
Speaker 3: feedback slash promo because people have some questions that I
Speaker 3: think we've got answers to. When are we getting season
Speaker 3: thirteen of Meat Eater. I thought this would be a
Speaker 3: good discussion to have about rough cuts, and yet.
Speaker 2: Heard rough Cuts is available right now. We've just started
Speaker 2: launching a show that we did that I'm hosting called
Speaker 2: rough Cuts. Is kind of a different sort of look
Speaker 2: at a lot of the issues and practices that we'd
Speaker 2: like to get involved in. Our first rough cuts just
Speaker 2: launched on Monday. It's about trapping. We're gonna run a
Speaker 2: bunch of rough cut episodes coming up in the next weeks.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I'm working on a season
Speaker 2: thirteen to Meat Eater as well. But we've only filmed
Speaker 2: one episode so far, but we got a bunch more
Speaker 2: coming up, and we'll get another season of me Eater
Speaker 2: under wraps in the future.
Speaker 3: Here and to follow that up, since Randall's here as well,
Speaker 3: Mogo's asking about the next audiobook and also is it
Speaker 3: very exhausting?
Speaker 5: Are are you making that assumption based on my appearance.
Speaker 6: Exhausting or exhaustive?
Speaker 2: Both both. It's coming along great. We're actively recording it
Speaker 2: right now. We've got most of the chapters under wraps.
Speaker 2: It is the history of so if you remember when
Speaker 2: we did Meat Eater's American History, The Long Hunters, we
Speaker 2: covered the deer skin trade, so are kind of one
Speaker 2: of our figures of focus was Daniel Boone, who was
Speaker 2: a deer skin hunter. Now the one we're currently recording,
Speaker 2: we jump into the Mountain Man era, which is the
Speaker 2: beaver skin trade, and we're covering the years the Long
Speaker 2: Hunters covered seventeen sixty three to seventeen seventy five. The
Speaker 2: Mountain Men so Me Eaters American History of the Mountain Men,
Speaker 2: which we're just finishing that'll be out very soon, covers
Speaker 2: eighteen oh three to eighteen forty. It covers the mountain
Speaker 2: Man era. You probably think you know what a mountain
Speaker 2: man was. I think you're gonna learn a lot more
Speaker 2: details about it.
Speaker 8: It is a.
Speaker 2: Enlightening at times quite gruesome, very gruesome, very gruesome, lot
Speaker 2: of violence.
Speaker 5: A lot of eating weird stuff, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of eating weird stuff, story of the Rocky Mountain
Speaker 2: beaver trappers, and one of our primary figures of focus
Speaker 2: in that is Jim Bridger. From there we will jump
Speaker 2: into the Buffalo Hide Hunters, and that will probably when
Speaker 2: we bracket those years. It'll probably be eighteen sixty six
Speaker 2: to eighteen eighty two.
Speaker 5: And I it will be available I believe early February.
Speaker 5: I think it'll go on pre sale sometime in mid
Speaker 5: December according to our latest understanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's gonna seem bias, but it is a
Speaker 2: phenomenal Uh. It's a phenomenal work. And then after that,
Speaker 2: it's what I wish would have existed my whole life.
Speaker 5: After that, they're gonna start coming out at a quicker clip,
Speaker 5: quicker clip after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, all right, Uh end outro video, I have
Speaker 2: I haven't done this in a long time. What does
Speaker 2: that mean?
Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna play the outro video and then stay
Speaker 3: tuned for a video that Spencer took of him shooting.
Speaker 2: Ah, so that's not the end outro video.
Speaker 3: We're gonna play the the the bumper outro. We played
Speaker 3: the theme song again, rollicking theme song. It's gonna fade
Speaker 3: to black. You're gonna see uh, you know, sort of
Speaker 3: like ending videos.
Speaker 2: And then you see Spencer killer ELK.
Speaker 6: It's like a post credit.
Speaker 5: This is a very nimble program.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll stick around to watch.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, see you next week.
Speaker 5: Thanks everybody.
Speaker 16: That was a good shot. If you got another, that
Speaker 16: was a good one. Man. I'm pretty sure he's fatal.
Speaker 16: He's struggling. He's really struggling.
Speaker 8: He's down.
Speaker 4: Oh good, Oh dude, he's still alive.
Speaker 16: But his all four legs are down.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, Now his legs are up kicking. I think
Speaker 4: he's dead.