WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Routines

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, hey there for Chuck too. Go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>say hey they're Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey there, that's our routine.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about routines today, and I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a good one because it's like everyone knows routines are

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<v Speaker 2>good for you, but it turns out routines are great

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You might even say they're great for you. You might

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<v Speaker 1>even say, there, frosted flakes is a routine.

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<v Speaker 2>You might even say they're crucial, and they are because

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<v Speaker 2>they their game changes for almost every part of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>You can think of mental health, physical health, emotional health,

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<v Speaker 2>safety and security for children. We'll get into all this,

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<v Speaker 2>but a repeated healthy pattern of behaviors to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>helps us when we're off the rails and to solidify

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<v Speaker 2>us when we feel unmoored. It helps buttress us when

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<v Speaker 2>we feel solid. Yeah, there have been countless studies. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw one from Tel Aviv University, but there are hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of studies of how routines and habits and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into the diff Basically help you reduce anxiety, help you

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<v Speaker 2>calm yourself, and just put you on a good path in.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, which makes sense because what you're doing is creating

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<v Speaker 1>something familiar that you can kind of bust out in

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<v Speaker 1>times of uncertainty and give yourself familiarity, like a security blanket. Almost. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes a lot of sense. And there's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>routines are having a moment. You could say they're big

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and I think it's very appropriate that you

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<v Speaker 1>use the word game changer because that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>attention it's getting right now. People use game changer are

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<v Speaker 1>super into like figuring out routines and figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, how to perfectly optimize them, how to make

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<v Speaker 1>them as essential as possible. And there is some actual

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<v Speaker 1>like research and science to this. But you said that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a difference between habits and routines. I disagree. I

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<v Speaker 1>know some people say, no, they're actually different. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you're sort of splitting hairs a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I've found some stuff that said basically that, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should think, well, we got our sources from a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different places. Do you know some of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Northwestern med Parenting, University of Iowa. Real simple. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a post by a guy named Brad Stolberg. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember what side. I'll have to look it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stuff though, But I did see it broken down

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<v Speaker 2>as The difference is that a habit is associated with

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<v Speaker 2>a queue, like the queue to wash your hands would

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<v Speaker 2>be that you have just used the bathroom and handled

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<v Speaker 2>your private parts, and that a routine exists without that queue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not dependent on that queue. But I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>with you. It's sort of splitting hairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also think that routines are dependent on cues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we talk about them later. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a workout routine in the morning, your queue is

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<v Speaker 1>waking up in the morning and putting it on your

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<v Speaker 1>exercise quoth. That's a cue. I don't think that they

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<v Speaker 1>can exist without cues. There's because if they existed without cues,

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<v Speaker 1>you would just suddenly randomly start like eating a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast at like three in the morning, even though you

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<v Speaker 1>were just sleeping a second ago. You see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So your que is being awake like you could you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would basically, but you would you would just like you

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<v Speaker 1>would just randomly engage in your routines. They have to

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<v Speaker 1>be they're contingent upon some either time or place or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. There's cues with routines, and if a

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<v Speaker 1>habit is something a behavior that you do that's based

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<v Speaker 1>on a queue, then it's the same thing as a routine.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, let's just move on and say great, great,

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<v Speaker 2>and talk more about routines and habits. One thing that

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<v Speaker 2>they say is great about routines is that and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the idea idea here is that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of will power, and some people may have

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<v Speaker 2>unlimited amounts, but I think the general person kind of

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<v Speaker 2>taps out at a certain point and that if you've

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<v Speaker 2>built a routine, you're not using that willpower of like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh I gotta get up and go use my WheelPower

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<v Speaker 2>to get up and go to the gym. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a part of your routine and you do it

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<v Speaker 2>without fail when you wake up, then you're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>on autopilot and that willpower is reserved for other things later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just one less decision you have to make

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<v Speaker 1>which allows you to suffer or put off the inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>decision fatigue you're going to reach later on in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, And I think decision fatigue is a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They've proven that. So they say one thing to help

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<v Speaker 2>out with routines is to cut down literally on just

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<v Speaker 2>the decision making process, right, Like if you get super

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<v Speaker 2>stressed in the morning picking out your outfit for work,

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<v Speaker 2>just like narrow get rid of some stuff and narrow

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<v Speaker 2>it down to like five or six things that you

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<v Speaker 2>can wear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just wear all black like that one be from Thanos,

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<v Speaker 1>right or no, what was the name of that company?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sana's to drop out Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yeah, farahnose something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she wore all black, and I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>because she idolized Steve Jobs. But I think Steve Jobs

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<v Speaker 1>wore all black because it was just he didn't You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need to decide, you just put on the black clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter to Steve Jobs. He had other things

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<v Speaker 1>to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's take a break. We'll talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>to establish routines. Does that sound good?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So to establish a routine, it's the same thing as

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<v Speaker 1>establishing a habit because they're the same things. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is that you basically figure out what you need to do,

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do, and you do it multiple

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<v Speaker 1>times over and over, and there's all sorts of different

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<v Speaker 1>studies about how many times it takes to make a

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<v Speaker 1>habit or a routine stick. But there are definitely things

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<v Speaker 1>that you can do to help the whole thing along.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of them is that you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>create cues for yourself, like you can. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>which which sources came from, but they said, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you want to be a writer and you want

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<v Speaker 1>to write more. Well, a good way to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a routine would be to take your laptop to the

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<v Speaker 1>same place every day in order. Oh it was you, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was a great idea, Chuck, take your laptop

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<v Speaker 1>to the same place every day. You you take your

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<v Speaker 1>the same lunch with you every day, or in the

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<v Speaker 1>same like lunch container or something like that, and you

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<v Speaker 1>set up these cues I think they're called affordances, objects

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<v Speaker 1>and surroundings that help queue your routine. And as you

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<v Speaker 1>build this up and you start to make these associations

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind, your routine will become more and more habitual. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've done research that says that pairing things together

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<v Speaker 2>like this just makes for a stronger attempt at a routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, you maybe doing the same thing every

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<v Speaker 2>day or whatever, especially if it's productive because your body

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<v Speaker 2>and your mind. Then say, hey, wait a minute, I

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<v Speaker 2>got so much good writing done yesterday because I packed

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<v Speaker 2>my turkey turkey sandwich in a lunch box and went

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<v Speaker 2>to this part of the park to sit under that

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<v Speaker 2>tree at noon with my laptop and my blue book bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to that work today, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it tomorrow. And then it's almost like tricking

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It's like, so you're setting yourself up

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<v Speaker 1>to eventually become like Reggie Jackson when he's activated in

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<v Speaker 1>the Naked Gun and goes to kill the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Must kill Nordberg.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even think about it. He just did it

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<v Speaker 1>because of the routine that was programmed in it, albeit

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<v Speaker 1>without his knowledge because Reggie Jackson had never heard anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it was still virtually the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think another good thing to remember is

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone's different and some people, like you, got to

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<v Speaker 2>know yourself. Some people function great in the morning, some

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<v Speaker 2>people function much better in the evening and at night.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like the middle of the day, no one

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<v Speaker 2>does that great because research has kind of shown that

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<v Speaker 2>we have different chronotypes and we are either larks or

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<v Speaker 2>owls in general. I'm sure there are people out there

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<v Speaker 2>that break this mold, but to know your body and know, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll some people know they're much better at like that

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<v Speaker 2>morning workout or they would much rather go after work

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<v Speaker 2>that evening and setting yourself up for that success is key.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's that's kind of part of a warning

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<v Speaker 1>that Brad Stolberg gave. By the way, the site's called

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<v Speaker 1>the growth Equation, but he was basically saying like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>don't go and research routines and then try to make

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<v Speaker 1>the routine. Make your life fit the routine, figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how that routine's going to fit your life depending on

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<v Speaker 1>when you're most active or when you're most productive or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he said, basically, if you're trying to sell a

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<v Speaker 1>routine that works for you to other people, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to run into a problem because not everybody's like anybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>and routines need to adapt to the person. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to make your routine work for you. If you find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself working for a routine you're sucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people out there right

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<v Speaker 2>now that sell their ideas for routines, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>shut up, Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the people who say game changer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and influencer and disruptor and all those other words.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids and routines. I included this bit because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>something that's become really evident to me as a parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's so important too. I mean, like, routines are

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<v Speaker 1>important for adults, but man, they are essential for kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Essential for kids, extra extra essential for any kid with

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of neurodiversity. They talk about routines just being critical.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids love surprises when it's ice cream. Kids don't love

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<v Speaker 2>surprises when it's hey, you're not going to school today,

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<v Speaker 2>because well they probably love that. That's probably not a

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<v Speaker 2>great example. But a routine that's disruptive it helps give

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<v Speaker 2>the parent a sense of control and that power struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents love control over kids.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crucial to get anything done. But you know, once

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<v Speaker 2>that routine becomes established in theory, it takes away some

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<v Speaker 2>of that battle. So if the routine is at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of every night, you got to get the bathtub,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta brush your teeth, cut to use your bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>put on your jommies, and go to bed. That's the routine,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not questioned. You do that because your body

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<v Speaker 2>has to be clean, your body has to be healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not up for debate. That stuff is still going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. But you're way better at having success there

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<v Speaker 2>than if you're like, oh, let's just try this a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of nights a week and see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can imagine that. Yeah, you're still going to

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<v Speaker 1>get pushed back from time to time, but it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>one time out of ten instead of nine times out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten, or it may.

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<v Speaker 2>Be ten times out of ten, but the battle is

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<v Speaker 2>just easier one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, because you're like, it's the routine. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just speaking from the parent of a strong

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<v Speaker 2>will child. It's just very rare that Ruby's just like great,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll let's go with the flow. Yeah, but can

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<v Speaker 1>she say like why?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she doesn't question why, and we've gotten pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>at stomping her into submission.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that come from Parenting Magazine?

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<v Speaker 2>It did, Doctor Spock.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that you do want to

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<v Speaker 1>remember with routines, whether you are it's a routine for

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<v Speaker 1>your kid, it's a routine for you. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>mix it up from time to time because your brain

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<v Speaker 1>is very, very lazy, and that's why routines work. Our

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<v Speaker 1>brains love shortcuts. Our brains love to not have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about something. They want to think about something else,

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<v Speaker 1>or think about nothing at all, going to default network mode.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is is when that happens, it actually has

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<v Speaker 1>eventual impacts on your emotions. You feel boring, you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're in a rut, you feel like your life

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<v Speaker 1>is dull, and so there's routines take maintenance strangely to

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<v Speaker 1>make them as effective as possible, and you also have

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<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind what's coming down the pike. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, one of the best ways to completely run

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<v Speaker 1>a routine off the rails is to go on vacation. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you're going to go on vacation, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a contingency plan for either carrying your

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<v Speaker 1>routine into vacation, which is not crazy, like it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of healthy, or if you're like nope, vacation's vacation

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<v Speaker 1>from everything, including routines. To have a plan to get

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<v Speaker 1>back into your routine very quickly after you return, so

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<v Speaker 1>several days don't go by because with each each day

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<v Speaker 1>that passes, it makes it harder and harder to get

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<v Speaker 1>back into that routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and be smart about mixing up your routine. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean if you've got a great workout plan that

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<v Speaker 2>you completely change what you're doing. It could just be

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to wear a completely different outfit than

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<v Speaker 2>I normally do, or if it's my creative writing thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pack a different lunch and a different container.

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<v Speaker 2>Just little things like that can can move your brain

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<v Speaker 2>in a better direction if you find yourself sort of

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<v Speaker 2>on autopilot. Speaking of kids again, you know my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>gets she's a kid that says out loud like I

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<v Speaker 2>hate my same routine, Like I get bored doing the

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<v Speaker 2>same stuff. Like routines are great for kids, but a

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<v Speaker 2>little thing like taking a different route to school can

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<v Speaker 2>make a big difference. Like just little changes like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, also, if you're afraid of being kidnapped, you should

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<v Speaker 1>definitely take different routes all the time too. That's another

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<v Speaker 1>good reason to mix up your routine. Absolutely, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>more thing that you should mix up as far as

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<v Speaker 1>routines go. In that is a workout routine, an exercise routine.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, you can really overdo your muscles if you're

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<v Speaker 1>working out the same groups over and over again, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta have legs day for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other thing about it is you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually like jumpstart all sorts of different things in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>positive things by changing up your exercise routine, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>your body gets used to it, find shortcuts, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get as much out of the same workout

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, check on. I'm gonna go make a new routine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is yet, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to figure it out and do it and I'll report

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<v Speaker 1>back to you on it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What's funny is we have our work routine that's very

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much ingrained, and I am guilty of, Like when

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<v Speaker 2>you've suggested different things that I'm like, no, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm believes don't change this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. I feel very similar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I haven't said that in years that you

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<v Speaker 1>feel similar with me. No, No, that like we should

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<v Speaker 1>change up our work routine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, good stuff. Oh oh, sorry, Chuck's that

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff everybody. That's the cue for our routine, which

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<v Speaker 1>means short stuff is out.

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