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Speaker 1: the supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 1: subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For

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Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to

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Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. On each episode,

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Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved

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Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we well

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Are you a person like

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Speaker 1: me who's interested in genealogy, finding and tracing your roots?

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Speaker 1: I often think about the lineage of people that came

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Speaker 1: by many that our ancestors all walk beside us, supporting

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Speaker 1: us on our earthly journey. Today, I'd like to introduce

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Speaker 1: you to Sharon Carmack, who's been a certified genealogist for

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Speaker 1: over thirty years. She's also a medium. She's written twenty

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Speaker 1: four books and hundreds of articles about genealogy, and she's

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Speaker 1: the United States representative for the Spiritualist National Union International,

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Speaker 1: also called s n u I. Her latest book is

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Speaker 1: titled In Search of Maria B. Hayden, m d. The

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Speaker 1: American medium who brought Spiritualism to the UK. She also

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Speaker 1: helps people write nonfiction books, so you can visit her

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Speaker 1: websites Nonfiction help dot com or Halfways Up dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Sharon, Thank you, Sandra. I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 1: here and we're very happy you're here. And Sharon, before

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Speaker 1: we get started finding out about you, could you tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about the s n U I.

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Speaker 1: Because you're the American representative. You do an awful lot

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Speaker 1: and we're grateful, and that's s n u I dot

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Speaker 1: The Spiritualist National Union International is the international branch of

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Speaker 1: the Spiritualist National Union, which is based out of the UK,

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Speaker 1: and they began the international branch obviously to include members

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Speaker 1: from all over the world, because not all of us,

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Speaker 1: including myself, have a spiritualist church or development circles in

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Speaker 1: our area. So through s n U I, you're able

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Speaker 1: to participate. They have daily classes, daily circles, daily spiritualist services,

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Speaker 1: and you're able to participate in all of those for

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Speaker 1: a whole year. You have access to all these daily

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Speaker 1: classes and circles and services. It's it's the best bargain

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Speaker 1: You participate online with people from all over the world,

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Speaker 1: and it's just I can't speak highly enough about it.

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Speaker 1: I just love a s n U I. I agree,

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Speaker 1: and I know for myself. I've taken some courses, learned

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Speaker 1: a lot, and also I've participated on the online Spiritualist services.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one time the medium told me that

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Speaker 1: my dad was with me when I was picking up

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Speaker 1: dandelions and blowing them making wishes. And just the day before,

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Speaker 1: bunch of dandelions, and just being a kid, I picked

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Speaker 1: never met this woman, and she said that your grandmother

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Speaker 1: So I can't say enough good things about s n

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Speaker 1: let me just add you do not have to be

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Speaker 1: n U I. You also don't have to be a medium.

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Speaker 1: You can join and just sit in on the services

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Speaker 1: or the circles. You don't have to participate and be

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Speaker 1: the recipient because we need recipients too for our demonstrations

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Speaker 1: of survival. That's what we call it as a demonstration

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Speaker 1: of survival, because that is the core of the religion

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Speaker 1: of spiritual is them is that we demonstrate that our spirits,

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Speaker 1: For that, So thanks. So now let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: genealogist has been leading me toward this next level of

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Speaker 1: Be the last oh several months, we've been watching Finding

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Speaker 1: And I think it's because our ancestors are there with

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Speaker 1: Sharon Carmack. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandras Champlain

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Speaker 1: and we are with Sharon Carmack, who's a genealogist and

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Speaker 1: a medium. So, Sharon, how many free readings did you

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Speaker 1: do before you joined a circle? I did a hundred

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Speaker 1: of free phone readings. That was my practice. By then,

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Speaker 1: I had found the circle to join, And so I

462
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: was practicing because I had set the goal of a

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Speaker 1: hundred readings before I would start charging. And then found

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Speaker 1: the circle and started attending classes in and found as nui, Wow,

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Speaker 1: do you have a story you can remember back maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the early readings that you did, that these

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Speaker 1: thoughts were coming to you and someone validated and you

468
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: just went, wow, yes, yes, but yes there was one.

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Speaker 1: And again this was early on. And oh it took

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Speaker 1: me probably, oh my gosh, a half hour just to

471
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Speaker 1: bring through one spirit link. I was terribly slow back

472
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Speaker 1: then because I really didn't know what I was doing.

473
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Speaker 1: I was just spirit and self taught. So I'm chatting

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Speaker 1: with this lady and giving her information about her father

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Speaker 1: and everything else, and I said, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I heard the words socket s O c K E T.

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Speaker 1: And I told her that because I had read enough

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Speaker 1: to know you give everything you get, no matter how

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Speaker 1: bizarre it feels to you. And so I said, I

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Speaker 1: just heard the word socket. I said, does that make

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Speaker 1: any sense to you? And oh my gosh, she laughed

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Speaker 1: and then started crying, and I thought, how on earth

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Speaker 1: can that word cause an emotional reaction? Well, what had

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Speaker 1: happened is her father was an Italian immigrant and he

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Speaker 1: was an electrician, and he sent her as a little

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Speaker 1: girl to the hardware store to get socket breakers, not

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Speaker 1: knowing that the correct term was circuit breakers. And she

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Speaker 1: went to the hardware store and asked for socket breakers,

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Speaker 1: and they made fun of her, and she came home

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Speaker 1: and told her father about that, and it became the

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Speaker 1: running joke in the family about the socket breakers. And

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Speaker 1: so that was validation. I mean, where would I get

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Speaker 1: that word from exactly? And so that was validation for

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Speaker 1: her that it was indeed her father. You continue to

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Speaker 1: be a medium along with everything else you're up to, right,

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Speaker 1: you get you still do own readings now for pay

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Speaker 1: and the work with people. Yes, I am still a

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Speaker 1: professional genealogist. I also teach genealogy and family history online

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Speaker 1: through Salt Lake Community College. And I also do my mediumship.

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Speaker 1: The spirit uses mediums based on their talents and abilities.

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Speaker 1: And I've been not only a professional genealogist for thirty

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Speaker 1: years but also a public speaker, and I feel really

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Speaker 1: drawn to do platform mediumship. Um, I haven't really had

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Speaker 1: the opportunity yet to do that here in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: And let me just take a little sidebar here. Why

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Speaker 1: I keep mentioning Salt Lake City. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: a lot of your listeners realize, but Salt Lake City

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Speaker 1: is heavily dominated by LDS members the Church of Price

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Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints. This is the Mormon area. We

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Speaker 1: moved here. My husband and I moved here specifically for

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Speaker 1: our work as genealogists, because the church owns and operates

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Speaker 1: what is called the Family History Library, which is the

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Speaker 1: largest genealogical pository in the world. Yes, that's right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Before they started digitizing records, they had over two and

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Speaker 1: a half million rolls of microfilm of millions more records

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Speaker 1: from all over the world. So we moved here about

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Speaker 1: eight years ago. We were in Colorado and moved here

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Speaker 1: for because we're spending so much time here anyway for

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Speaker 1: our clients that we decided to move here. So there's

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Speaker 1: a heavy, dense Mormon population here, which is great because

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00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: they're lovely people, and they opened the library to everyone.

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Speaker 1: There is no charge to use the library. They're digitizing

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Speaker 1: these records and putting them online on family search dot Org.

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Speaker 1: No charge, unlike ancestry, where you have to pay a subscription.

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Speaker 1: Fee on family search dot Org. There's no charge to

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Speaker 1: use their records, and so it's a wonderful thing for

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Speaker 1: all genealogists, um. But in the Mormon faith, although they

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00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: do believe in talking with their ancestors and they do

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Speaker 1: believe in documenting and tracing their ancestry, for them, it's

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Speaker 1: more of a one way communication. You know. It's only

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Speaker 1: the higher level up in the church that received uh

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Speaker 1: communication from the spirit world, from the higher realms. Average people,

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00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: you can talk to your ancestors, but you're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to actually be receiving communication back, although there are some

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Speaker 1: who do. And it's interesting too because also looking at

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Speaker 1: the history of Mormonism and Spiritualism, they almost merged in

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Speaker 1: the late eighteen nineties here in Salt Lake City, there

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Speaker 1: was a movement to merge the two religions. But the

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00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: problem was the Mormon leaders felt that if everyday people

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Speaker 1: are receiving spirit communication, and that spirit communication is different

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Speaker 1: than what the leaders are receiving, then you're not going

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Speaker 1: to have a cohesive religion. You would have members saying, well,

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Speaker 1: my spirit person told me this, and you're telling me that,

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, there wouldn't be a cohesive thing and so

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00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: that's why they did not merge. Yeah, I get it.

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00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Religions a tricky thing. I grew up Catholic, but on

547
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: my search, it's like I have to come to grips

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Speaker 1: with what my own truths are, you know, So I don't. Yeah,

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00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: I grew up Catholic too, and as you know, and Catholicism,

550
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay to talk to God, it's okay

551
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: to talk to Jesus, it's okay to talk to the saints.

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00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: But haven't forbid you do not talk to Grandma? Right right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of think of this radio show, I don't

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00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: want to say as my church, but it's my community.

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00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: It's other like minded people that and everything we talk

556
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: about on this show share and some of it sounds

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00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of strange, you know, so I always you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm free. We're here to empower people, take what works

559
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: and use it. What sounds a little strange, toss out

560
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: the window, absolutely, Like, anyways, where should we go to next?

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00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Talking about genealogy and ancestry, And I know we had

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Speaker 1: emailed a little bit before this interview about healing healing

563
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Speaker 1: our wounds, both present day and ancestral wounds. Right talk

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Speaker 1: a little about that. Yeah, I really think again, in

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Speaker 1: telling our ancestors stories, you know, if we subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the belief that on the other side, we have a

567
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: life review and there is really no one there to

568
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Speaker 1: judge us, accept ourselves, and we want to make up

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Speaker 1: for the things that we did during our life here

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Speaker 1: on earth, any pain we may have caused, any disharmony

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Speaker 1: we may have created. I think telling ancestors stories and

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Speaker 1: those ancestors who guide us to do that, I really

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: think that's healing for them. And I also believe that

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00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: by putting an ancestor story into historical perspective, it does that.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you an example. It was very, very

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Speaker 1: common during the Great Depression of for a lot of

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: men to commit suicide. They had lost everything, they didn't

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Speaker 1: know how they were going to support their families. They

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00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: they just hit rock bottoms. So suicide rates were very

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00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: high during the Great Depression. Okay, that was a stigma

581
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: that back then. But when you and that may be

582
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Speaker 1: a family skeleton for a lot of families, but when

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Speaker 1: you put it into the historical context of the Great

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00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: Depression and that this was common, all of a sudden,

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00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: the stigma goes away. Because now we understand why someone

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Speaker 1: took their own life, because we understand that this was common,

587
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: that this was part of history, that this was something.

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00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: We understand our ancestors motivations and behaviors by studying the

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Speaker 1: lives of everyday people in an everyday society, the social history.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that's often is sigma is abortion. And if

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Speaker 1: we look back in history and realize our women ancestors

592
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: did not have a reliable means of birth control. Instead,

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00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: they would take herbal remedies or poisons what we call

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Speaker 1: abortifacients to terminate a pregnancy because they may have had

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Speaker 1: too many mouths to feed, they had a fear of childbirth,

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Speaker 1: they were worn out from having eight or nine or

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Speaker 1: ten babies. This was not a stigma then, it was

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Speaker 1: common practice. So if we look at it in historical perspective,

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Speaker 1: we realize that what we are judging from our morals,

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Speaker 1: from our point of view, was not that back then.

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Speaker 1: And so we can understand people so much better if

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Speaker 1: we understand the social history around them, their lives around them.

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Speaker 1: And I feel ild that heals not only the ancestor

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Speaker 1: to be understood, but it also heals the present generation

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Speaker 1: to realize my ancestor wasn't the awful person I thought

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Speaker 1: she was because she had an abortion. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in mental institutions, why, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say a lot, but there were many people

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Speaker 1: in menst mental institutions, especially women who were perfectly sane.

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Speaker 1: And what happened was if their husband wanted to gain

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Speaker 1: control of their property, if their husband wanted to marry

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Speaker 1: someone else and divorce wasn't an option, they would commit

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Speaker 1: their wives. One woman was committed because she spoke out

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Speaker 1: against her minister, and so there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: There were women who were committed to mental institutions who

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Speaker 1: were perfectly sane but we're just outspoken, or their husbands

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Speaker 1: had other plans and wanted to gain control of property.

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Speaker 1: And if you weren't insane when you went in, you

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Speaker 1: were insane when you came out. It was horrible and

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Speaker 1: in fact terrible. It's terrible. Nellie Bligh, who was an

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter in the late eighteen hundreds, went undercover in

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Speaker 1: a mental institution to reveal what the conditions were like

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Speaker 1: and wrote a book about it. And it's just horrifying.

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Speaker 1: You cannot help but feel compassion for these people and

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Speaker 1: feel so much love and and so much sorrow for

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Speaker 1: all they had to suffer. It's really incredible. We think

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Speaker 1: of the past as having an easier lifestyle. Well, to

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Speaker 1: some degree they did, but in other degrees they did not.

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Speaker 1: How can that be healing for us on this end? Well,

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Speaker 1: as I was saying, I think it's healing for us

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Speaker 1: on this end because families may have carried this family skeleton,

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Speaker 1: this black sheep in the family, not talking about the

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Speaker 1: person wiping them from the family history. That happened with

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Speaker 1: my one of my great aunts. She ended up committing

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Speaker 1: suicide by stabbing herself in the abdomen with a butcher

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Speaker 1: knife and setting her hair on fire. She was talked

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Speaker 1: about what caused all this is she had been writing

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Speaker 1: on the trolley downtown. She was a large woman, and

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Speaker 1: she got on the trolley and hadn't grabbed hold of

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Speaker 1: the strap yet, and the trolley lunged forward and she

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Speaker 1: felt backward and hit the back of her head and

642
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643
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661
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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Sharon Carmack, medium

662
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Speaker 1: and genealogist. And Sharon, you were just telling us about

663
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Speaker 1: your poor great aunt after she passed. I hate to ask,

664
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: but was she talked about or was she forgotten about?

665
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: It was not talked about. It was swept under the rug.

666
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: This poor woman had no validation after she died, and

667
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: which one of us wants to die and think we

668
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: won't be remembered. And she left a six year old son,

669
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: and you know, and I ended up tracing him to

670
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: find out what happened to him, who took him in

671
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: and everything else. It's just a family tragedy that because

672
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: it was a stigma, nobody wants to acknowledge her. And

673
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: so I feel that once a genealogists can understand. If

674
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: I had not found the newspaper article, I wouldn't have

675
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: understood why she committed suicide and could tell her story

676
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: and to make it so that she's not forgotten, to

677
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: make her life have meaning. It heals the family to

678
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: know that there were circumstances, regardless whether it was hitting

679
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: your head or bipolar or anything else that weren't understood

680
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: then but are understood now. And I think that's very

681
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: healing for people today. And to know that our ancestors

682
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: struggled so much. And I don't know about you, Sander,

683
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: but there are certain ancestors that I just feel an

684
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: especial kinship with. I've just drawn to them, and I

685
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: think it's because those ancestors want us to tell their

686
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: stories and to be remembered, even using ancestry dot calm,

687
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and they have Anybody can picture a family tree, and

688
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: so often in life I feel alone. I don't have

689
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: a very big family. And when I do the genealogy,

690
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: so my visual is seeing all these people and then

691
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: realizing that they're still around. And I want to just

692
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: read a sentence that I had read from a book yesterday.

693
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: It's from one of the Silver Birch books. It says

694
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: say Spirit is one, and Spirit is the God which

695
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: is within all forms of being. I only wish that

696
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: the veil could be lifted from your eyes and you

697
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: could see the radiant beings who cooperate with you. Every

698
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: difficulty is a challenge which you must meet and overcome,

699
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: thus proving that the power of the spirit is stronger

700
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: than the power of matter. And when I read that

701
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: about the veil, and putting that together with the visual

702
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: of my family tree, a very healing for me to

703
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: get that you know I'm on a path. I'm not alone.

704
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Could be of invisible doesn't mean that that bond is

705
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: any less real. Absolutely, and I'll give you another reason

706
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: why it's important to research your family history. When you

707
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: start researching your family history, more and more of those

708
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: ancestors will come through in readings. I've had great grandparents

709
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: come through that I've never met. I've had great aunts

710
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: and uncle's come through that I've never met. I've had

711
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: grandparents who passed before I was born come through, and

712
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm able to identify them, not only because i did

713
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: the genealogical research, but I've done oral history interviews with

714
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: my family, the older generation who might have remembered these

715
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: people and gathered their stories and photographs, and so I

716
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: can identify them when they come through. And it's kind

717
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: of frustrating for me as a medium when I bring

718
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: through through somebody and the person will dismiss it by saying, oh,

719
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know them, and it's like, but surely you

720
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: heard family stories about them, You've got a photo graph

721
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: or something, because they're not thinking like a family historian

722
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: or a genealogist would, and by doing that, I've just

723
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: heard from so many of them. On the other side.

724
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: It's just it just touches my heart to know that

725
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're aware of me, They're aware of

726
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing to preserve their stories. It's just very heartwarming.

727
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: And now you've written many, many, many books. Um, can

728
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about your books? Well,

729
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: I have a combination. Um. Like I said, I write

730
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: family histories for clients and I've written my own family history,

731
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: so those probably aren't very interesting to people who aren't

732
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: family members. But I have also written a lot of

733
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 1: guide books. I have written the book you can write

734
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: your family history. And maybe I'll know an answer to this,

735
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: just because I'm on ancestry and everything I can find.

736
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 1: Are there things available going through the Salt Lake City

737
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: family search dot Org, like newspaper articles and things like

738
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: that that I wouldn't normally find pop up on ancestry

739
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: dot com. Yes, there are a lot of newspaper databases.

740
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: The two I subscribe to and use that I find

741
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: her pretty big are Genealogy Bank dot com and Newspapers

742
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: dot Com, and those are both subscription websites. If you

743
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: go to family search dot org and look for a

744
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: family search center near you, because there are thousands of

745
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: them across the world, you can use the family Search

746
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Center and access ancestry and other paid subscription websites for

747
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: free through the family Search center. Have you done your

748
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: d N A spit test? No, I have not. Oh interesting,

749
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I just found for myself. Man, I've got four fifths

750
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: six cousins. It's just exciting to me. It's world. Let

751
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: me tell you why I have not done it. I

752
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: have not done it. First all, because I've written my

753
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: family history. I had a fourth cousin contact me finding

754
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: my book, so they find me. That's awesome, right. But

755
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: the reason I have not done it is believe it

756
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: or not, those tests are still in their infancy. So

757
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: if you have it done today, I would have it

758
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: done again in a couple of years because at the

759
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: database grows, you're going to find yourself connected with more

760
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: and more people. And for the tests that we call

761
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: deep ancestry that tell you the percentage of you know,

762
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: your this percentage Native American and this percentage African or whatever, again,

763
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: those are still in their infancy because the databases are

764
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: still not that big. So the results you have today

765
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: may be different from the results you have in two

766
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: or three years. Oh very cool. Well, I'm excited, but

767
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: we have just a few minutes left. What haven't I

768
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: asked you that I should or is there any other

769
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: information you want to share. Get out, tie into this interview.

770
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss anything with you because you're

771
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: very valuable. Oh thank you. Um well, I would like

772
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: to talk about finding this fourth cousin, or this fourth

773
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: cousin who found me. You know a lot of us

774
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: who developed our mediumship ability late in life. Wonder if

775
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: someone in the family also had abilities, And it was

776
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: never talked about my family. I didn't know anyone who

777
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: had any kind of psychic or mediumistic abilities. So I

778
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: thought I was a lone wolf. And then this fourth cousin,

779
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: she bought my book and she was going to make

780
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: a visit to our home town in Italy or Lazy,

781
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and so I was sharing with her. I'd been there.

782
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: I was sharing with her what to see and who

783
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: to talk to and everything else. And after she came back,

784
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: she wrote an essay about her trip and all the

785
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: interesting signs she was receiving from what she believed was

786
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: her her grandmother. And she was receiving all these signs,

787
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: and I thought, wait a minute, So I emailed her

788
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: and I said, are you a medium? Are you developed?

789
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: Meeting or developing or whatever? I said, because it sounds

790
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: like we're on the same path. Normal people don't write

791
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: about this kind of thing, right, And sure enough, we

792
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: were on parallel paths. We've never met, we've only conversed

793
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: my phone and email, but we've both been on the

794
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: same path at the same time. And her grandmother had

795
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: abilities and helped coach my cousin Beth through her abilities,

796
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: and she's really just developing them now. And since recognizing

797
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: my abilities, I've discovered that I have cousins on my

798
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: mother's side who also have abilities. But prior to this,

799
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: no one ever talked about it, so I didn't know.

800
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: But apparently I have it on both sides of my family.

801
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. And I would have never found that

802
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: out except through genealogy. And I know all my cousins.

803
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean I literally know all my first cousins and

804
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: and some of my cousins beyond that. And you know,

805
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: that's what genealogy does. Like you said, with the DNA

806
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: tests and people getting in touch with you, I just

807
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: open It's the flood gates opened. All I think. We

808
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: want to find like minded people that are into this,

809
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I my beginning days of searching about

810
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: life after death, I was so afraid people would think

811
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: I was a weirdo, so I kept my mouth shut,

812
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: and through even searching genealogy. Now what you're saying is

813
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: you get like minded people within your own family. You

814
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: know that these people are related to you and that

815
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: they're interested and gosh, I know, family doesn't have to

816
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: be connected by blood. You have some great friends and things.

817
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: But to find some of these distant people that our

818
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: family really enriches our lives. It truly does, and it

819
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: makes us realize that our world is really small without

820
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: all those people. And once we realize that, you know,

821
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: Beth and I, as fourth cousins, were probably just as

822
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: close as if we were first cousins, we developed a

823
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: very fast friendship. We have the connection with family within

824
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I mean, we were very fast

825
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: friends because not only of our genealogical connection, but because

826
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: of our mediumistic connection. And and it does it just

827
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: broadens the world to know you have family everywhere. Um,

828
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: whether it's fourth cousins or first cousins or cousins, they're

829
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: they're everywhere. Yeah, and even there's ones that you can't

830
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: even see. They're invisible to you, but they're right by

831
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: your side. Oh, Sharon, what's the best way for people

832
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: to get in touch with you, Well, they can go

833
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: through my website sharing karmack dot com or my medium

834
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: website pathways Up dot com. Any closing words or advice

835
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: to the listener, and well, I would just say if

836
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: you haven't researched your family history, you should go. It's

837
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: not for everyone. Like I said, there seemed to be

838
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: people who are drawn to it more than other people.

839
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: But it's addictive, so I will warn you that. And

840
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: as I said before, once you start to get to

841
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: know all these other ancestors, the great grandparents, the greats

842
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: aunts and uncles, don't be surprised if you're sitting in

843
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 1: a circle or you have a reading and they start

844
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: coming through to just to say hello. Well, Sharon, thank

845
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: you so much for being our guest today. Well, thank you,

846
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: SANDRAI thoroughly enjoyed it. And to our listeners, thank you

847
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: for being here. Now here's some resources. If you go

848
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: to our main page, which is We Don't Die dot com,

849
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: you can join my email list and get a free

850
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: pdf copy of my book We Don't Die as Skeptics

851
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Discovery of Life after Death. You can also participate in

852
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: our free Sunday gathering which at the end of every

853
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: very inspire sational service there is a medium reading, so

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