Speaker 1: So I have something up my sleeve tonight for you guys.
Speaker 1: This has been a really great podcast experience overall, and
Speaker 1: it's been amazing to connect with new people. And something
Speaker 1: crazy happened this weekend. I'm just going to tell you
Speaker 1: something crazy happened this weekend. And my fiance and I
Speaker 1: were in the car and he had an idea and
Speaker 1: he said to me, I have a terrible idea. You're
Speaker 1: going to hate it. And he told me the idea
Speaker 1: and I don't know why. I will figure out later why,
Speaker 1: but I just said, let's go, and it escalated into
Speaker 1: a full scale production. It started with like a see
Speaker 1: it of an idea two o'clock fifty two hours ago,
Speaker 1: and here we are, for the first time ever, I
Speaker 1: am having a housewife on my podcast tonight, all of
Speaker 1: my podcasts. I've never had somebody on all of my
Speaker 1: podcasts in one night. This is an extravaganza explosion. So
Speaker 1: drum roll, please welcome Jill Zarn.
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I almost just start crying because I just it all
Speaker 1: just like it's been a thing, honestly thirteen years, thirteen years,
Speaker 1: and this weekend was something else. Just this like it's
Speaker 1: just been manic and thinking about this and now we're
Speaker 1: doing it. So we're gonna like slowly go through it.
Speaker 1: So first of all, Ali's here, Gary's here, Jill is
Speaker 1: here with I mean, they're here with Jill, and thank
Speaker 1: you for being here. You are all hearing. We've had
Speaker 1: some small talk and like just wardrobe changes and stuff,
Speaker 1: because within four minutes Joe was in my bedroom changing
Speaker 1: into another outfit. So we haven't spoken, but we I've
Speaker 1: seen her nude, so that's good. Look good that you
Speaker 1: looked at Yes, you look amazing.
Speaker 2: Talk about that.
Speaker 1: So but first, thank thank you for doing this, for
Speaker 1: trusting me. And let's we're going to get into all
Speaker 1: of it. So we're going through. We're mentioning it all.
Speaker 1: We both need to get a hobby, and we are
Speaker 1: mentioning it all. So this is Bethany and Jill reunited
Speaker 1: for the first time since twenty ten Barack Obama was president,
Speaker 1: and I remembered.
Speaker 3: How crazy is that?
Speaker 2: How crazy is that?
Speaker 1: And I remembered the you and I were together at
Speaker 1: Sylvia's Harlem when he won the election and Harlem went crazy.
Speaker 2: And I have pictures of us there. I should do.
Speaker 2: I'll give him to post.
Speaker 1: Give him to me. Okay, all right, So Friday, I
Speaker 1: just want to set you up because I still Jill
Speaker 1: doesn't know the story.
Speaker 3: She just came.
Speaker 1: We have not spoken at all since she got this.
Speaker 2: Deliberately don't let you knew.
Speaker 1: We were speaking like without speaking, like your mind what
Speaker 1: you I wasn't calling you, and I first thought like
Speaker 1: should I call her because it seems insulting, But like
Speaker 1: I just stayed quiet and you stayed quiet, and we'll
Speaker 1: hear my comment.
Speaker 3: I talked about that in the pre interview in the
Speaker 3: other room. I actually mentioned something a little bit something
Speaker 3: about me.
Speaker 1: We were like quietly dancing and like without any you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like we weren't talking.
Speaker 3: No, but there's a history there that you don't know about,
Speaker 3: like for me, Oh okay, we'll.
Speaker 1: Get into it. Okay, Well, we'll get there. If you
Speaker 1: want take notes, if there's something you might miss. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like is that a real pen?
Speaker 1: It feels like not a real pen? Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: it's like there's something you want to say, just write
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 3: We'll get there.
Speaker 1: There's no this is oh hi, everyone, this is live
Speaker 1: and unedited Okay, So there's a history with live and
Speaker 1: being edited and you're not wanting someone to like mince
Speaker 1: your words or mix things together, which can happen on
Speaker 1: reality TV. So I've also never done a live and unedited.
Speaker 1: I've never had a housewife. I've never had someone be
Speaker 1: on all the podcasts. I've never had someone too much.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? But I'm confused, and maybe I'm
Speaker 3: the only one confused when you say all the podcasts
Speaker 3: and so I.
Speaker 1: Have I have a Housewives University where I talk to
Speaker 1: the person if we get to it, about their business
Speaker 1: and like give them a grade. You're here, So I'll
Speaker 1: be like on Zaren Fabrics, I think it was this,
Speaker 1: like it's Housewives University. Is that a separate podcast only
Speaker 1: it's all on the same feed and it's all part
Speaker 1: of my podcast, But it's like marketed is like a
Speaker 1: different in a different way.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yes, So I want to definitely
Speaker 2: be in that school with Allison.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Allison could be in that school. So and
Speaker 1: Re rants we can just talk about the state of
Speaker 1: what we think the Housewives and how it's changed. Rewives
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the new show and then
Speaker 1: this is you know, but it's gonna be available. This
Speaker 1: is just me and this is our reunion. So that's
Speaker 1: like how I just but I've never had someone to
Speaker 1: my house before to do the podcast. I've never done this,
Speaker 1: so I've never had guest. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: first tonight and I've never done a live and unedited
Speaker 1: a podcast. But we're all going with God and trusting it.
Speaker 1: So Friday, Paul and I were doing a lobster roll,
Speaker 1: a lobster salad crawl for YouTube. So we went to
Speaker 1: like five places, and you know, Paul's very level and
Speaker 1: I'm very like activated, and I don't need more activation
Speaker 1: and I don't need more projects and more work, and
Speaker 1: you know, when we're together, it's kind of we want
Speaker 1: to try to like be calm and brings on here
Speaker 1: this weekend. So it's just gonna be like a relaxing weekend,
Speaker 1: jump in the ocean, lay around, watch TV like nothing
Speaker 1: of the weekend, maybe go out to one meal. So Friday,
Speaker 1: and Paul's the one who had the idea to do
Speaker 1: rewives to begin with. He kept not the name and
Speaker 1: not the concept that it is now, but he kept saying,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. You gotta do a podcast about
Speaker 1: everyone's doing that. And it took me six months to decide.
Speaker 1: So Paul was saying to me in the car, he said,
Speaker 1: I have a He said to me at two o'clock
Speaker 1: on Friday, I have a terrible idea. And he hasn't
Speaker 1: two o'clock Friday day, Monday. It's Monday.
Speaker 2: So when did you call me? Saturday?
Speaker 1: Amy from my heart called you Friday. And we were
Speaker 1: supposed to do this Sunday yesterday, but there was a
Speaker 1: torrential storm that blew my house up like it was
Speaker 1: really so Friday, Paul said, let's I have a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hate it. And he doesn't know much about you.
Speaker 1: He only knows what I've told him. He's never seen
Speaker 1: one half of an episode. And I said what he said?
Speaker 1: He said, he's here, but he said, you should rewatch
Speaker 1: the new show with Jill Zarin and wow, and people
Speaker 1: have asked a million things for me to do. He
Speaker 1: looked at me in the car, were sitting in the
Speaker 1: car and the King Colin parking lot, and I looked
Speaker 1: at him and.
Speaker 3: I said, let's fucking go.
Speaker 1: And I said, and we have a YouTube series that
Speaker 1: we produced that we literally pay to do. It's a
Speaker 1: joke or like paint. It's like the movie. The producers like,
Speaker 1: we're paying for this fluff. Yes, and and we're and
Speaker 1: and we have the muppets that they're all here that
Speaker 1: shoot it and we go and do these crawls and
Speaker 1: these things that it has definitely not been monetized.
Speaker 3: That Bethany Frankel just admitted she's got actually like a boss.
Speaker 3: There's somebody in Who's the boss? No, No, like Paul
Speaker 3: like not in. I was like, what I mean, is
Speaker 3: someone you actually respect and listen to? That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Not I mean like you like.
Speaker 3: Paul thought this, and I agreed, and Paul thought that
Speaker 3: I've never heard well I haven't seen him in a
Speaker 3: long time, but there's never been someone that I knew
Speaker 3: in your life that you will like, would respect enough.
Speaker 1: And I respect him and he compliments me, and we're
Speaker 1: good at very different things. And it was a new
Speaker 1: for me. It was a superb idea and it then
Speaker 1: escalated into a snowball of us shooting it for YouTube
Speaker 1: so I won't be able to see everything. I knew
Speaker 1: that we would have to give it to them. And
Speaker 1: there are questions about is this authentic? Am I really
Speaker 1: doing this because of me? Am I only doing like
Speaker 1: because of the show? Am I only doing it because
Speaker 1: of that show? We can get into all of that,
Speaker 1: mention it all, but and there is some part of
Speaker 1: that because otherwise, why are there camry our cameras here
Speaker 1: and why and why are we doing it for my podcast?
Speaker 1: We could do it in the backyard. So it's a
Speaker 1: whole mixed bag, and we're going to get into all
Speaker 1: of it. And we are both here to be open books.
Speaker 1: You agreed to be honest, honest, so that's setting you
Speaker 1: up to get here to my house, and I want
Speaker 1: to know you're going to be one hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent honest, honest.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what was going through your mind when you
Speaker 1: got the phone call to do this? Uh?
Speaker 3: I was surprised, but I wasn't going to be impulsive,
Speaker 3: maybe because I'm medicated now and I wasn't thirteen years
Speaker 3: ago in a good way because I I have you know,
Speaker 3: not OCD. I was gonna say, oh, I don't have OCD,
Speaker 3: I have anxiety. I definitely had an anxiety disorder when
Speaker 3: you knew me for sure, I mean you could tell
Speaker 3: just the way I couldn't and manic.
Speaker 1: Also you get manic too, what.
Speaker 3: It was, but you see, how have you been with
Speaker 3: me now for two hours? Have you seen that?
Speaker 1: Yes, like there's little spurts of it. But I'm more
Speaker 1: like that than you. I always was like that, So
Speaker 1: the two of us together.
Speaker 3: Was like but not now now I can actually balance
Speaker 3: that interesting, Yes, at least I think I can.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm delusion on myself.
Speaker 1: So you look great, and Jill showed up in a
Speaker 1: sweatsuit because I'm wearing a dress that's thirty dollars from Express,
Speaker 1: and neither of us did our hair and makeup. I
Speaker 1: thought you would show up in full glam and like.
Speaker 2: No, I had my makeup done but light, oh okay.
Speaker 1: Not like and then and then you didn't like your
Speaker 1: outfit because you were wearing something you would probably wearing,
Speaker 1: like a very a private plane, because it was.
Speaker 3: A right no no, But I thought we were sitting
Speaker 3: here doing this, only I didn't realize that they were
Speaker 3: other things. And so when we were taking photos, because
Speaker 3: I didn't think it through. Honestly, I didn't as much
Speaker 3: because you've been in it for forty eight hours, fifty
Speaker 3: two hours thinking, thinking, thinking, I've been just thinking to myself,
Speaker 3: go with the flow, just be there, be present, that's
Speaker 3: all I'm I.
Speaker 1: Didn't want that was intentional. And also I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: put on a ball gown at my house because that's
Speaker 1: everything I don't like about housewives now. And I also
Speaker 1: wasn't going to ambush you with interesting word in full
Speaker 1: hair makeup and look like, oh hi, you know it's.
Speaker 3: Just not But I also should know that you'll always
Speaker 3: look beautiful because you are beautiful, and you wore a
Speaker 3: pretty dress. Whether it's thirty dollars or three thousand dollars
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. You look beautiful. So I felt a little underdressed, underdressed,
Speaker 3: especially since we're putting out a nice photo. I wanted
Speaker 3: to look pretty and it was so nice and opened
Speaker 3: your closet. No, of course I wanted to like level it.
Speaker 3: The last thing I want is you distracted about your outfit.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So okay, So you agree
Speaker 3: to do that, and I knew, wait, let me ask
Speaker 3: the question. So you asked me what I thought of
Speaker 3: when you call exactly? So one of the things that
Speaker 3: went through my mind fast, and this is what I
Speaker 3: did write it down.
Speaker 2: Was you had a talk show years ago. We were
Speaker 2: in a different place.
Speaker 3: It was still not right after what happened, but within
Speaker 3: five something years or whatever, and I got a call
Speaker 3: from one of your producers to do your show, and
Speaker 3: I was excited about it. But I said to me,
Speaker 3: you know what, I really want to hear from Bethany,
Speaker 3: because at that point I hadn't spoken to you for
Speaker 3: one time, not even it was before Bobby passed, so
Speaker 3: I had not seen.
Speaker 1: You for a big, long run. It's been now. Really,
Speaker 1: I say that this is now.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like that any Like I saw you
Speaker 3: on a plane and it was comfortable.
Speaker 1: But this is the first time we've been alone since
Speaker 1: twenty ten. We were at Bobby's funeral. Yes, we were like,
Speaker 1: it's only shatter, this is like real talk, you know,
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 2: Well, was still not alone because it's still them full
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 3: But fair But that's fair, right, Like if you and
Speaker 3: I were Candy Kitchen without a camera or mic that
Speaker 3: and no phones.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 3: The last time I felt like I was alone with
Speaker 3: you was when you came to my house when Bobby died.
Speaker 3: When you came to my apartment, Brinn and Ali right exact.
Speaker 3: I still felt like you and I were alone in
Speaker 3: my own head. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's a distraction, so no, that should be changed on
Speaker 1: the post.
Speaker 2: So anyway, So no.
Speaker 3: So the first thing that I thought of was that
Speaker 3: somebody called me on your behalf and I said, if
Speaker 3: Bethany calls me, then I'll do it.
Speaker 2: And he never called me back.
Speaker 3: Interesting, So that went through my head and I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's timing two days time. Yes, So I went through
Speaker 3: my head, is okay? Do I said to myself, do
Speaker 3: I say to that person if Bethany called, I repeat that?
Speaker 3: And I said, no, why set myself up to fail.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why she didn't call. But she called
Speaker 3: that she.
Speaker 2: Wanted me to come on. So she was giving me
Speaker 2: an olive branch.
Speaker 3: And that's okay, And that's something maybe wouldn't it been
Speaker 3: okay ten years ago. I think I'm in a different
Speaker 3: I'm more mature, I'm not jaded. I there's nothing for
Speaker 3: me to win or lose. It's just a.
Speaker 1: Different Nobody has anything you want, I say, Paul, is
Speaker 1: no one has anything right.
Speaker 3: That I can't get myself. If I want it, and
Speaker 3: I don't do anything I don't want to do like
Speaker 3: you do. I'm at a point in my life age, money, success,
Speaker 3: I don't do anything I want to do anyway.
Speaker 2: I was open.
Speaker 3: To it, but I said, but instead of being impulsive
Speaker 3: saying yes or no, I say, can I call you back?
Speaker 3: I want to talk to Ali because now that I
Speaker 3: have a thirty year old daughter instead of a thirteen
Speaker 3: year old daughter, I used to be her boss. Now
Speaker 3: she's my boss, right, But she's always been the one
Speaker 3: to look at things from a different point of view.
Speaker 3: And her first reaction was, of course you should do it.
Speaker 1: And she knows me, and we saw I saw her
Speaker 1: with Brannet's surflage and absolutely absolutely, but.
Speaker 3: She said, of course you should do it, and that's it.
Speaker 3: That's all it took.
Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't even entire when Paul said it. I
Speaker 1: just was instantly thought. I just thought it was a
Speaker 1: good idea. And also, you have a husband, you have
Speaker 1: a thirty year old daughter. I can't even believe you
Speaker 1: just said that sentence, like, I have a fiance, I
Speaker 1: have a daughter. That's you told me that.
Speaker 3: Alerson was thirteen when we became close friends. Not when
Speaker 3: we met, because we probably met when you she was
Speaker 3: ten or something. But when we became close friends, Ali
Speaker 3: was thirteen. It was after her Bot mits for though,
Speaker 3: because that wasn't on the show, so she was between
Speaker 3: thirteen and fourteen.
Speaker 1: So how do you recall us meeting? I My first
Speaker 1: recollection is you coming up to me in a movie
Speaker 1: theater after I'd been on The Apprentice and you were
Speaker 1: with a friend.
Speaker 3: That's what I remember, okay, But then you told me
Speaker 3: that we met at Nobu with Elise Slaine.
Speaker 1: That was later. We all went together after that movie theater.
Speaker 1: Then we all had dinner at Nobu with Elise Slain.
Speaker 1: Housewives inside, which is also weird because she came on
Speaker 1: the show not because of you, right, no, no, and
Speaker 1: not because of me. Oh right, interesting and shewife she
Speaker 1: was a housewife. And then I don't know, I've never
Speaker 1: I've written it in books, but we were never speaking.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've heard what I wrote about the
Speaker 1: day that I was in the outfit at Polo when
Speaker 1: I got cast on the show. So let me tell
Speaker 1: you my election, he said. She said. My recollection is
Speaker 1: I was in the Hampton's in my little white juicy
Speaker 1: terry cloth romper and I was in a relationship and
Speaker 1: I was hawking my Bethany bakes cookies and I was
Speaker 1: running from Super Saturday coming over to Polo. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I got in because I don't know anybody then.
Speaker 3: And that was a big deal back then. Now, tool,
Speaker 3: you couldn't pay me to go because we're older and wiser.
Speaker 1: But they gave me a bracelet like to get and
Speaker 1: I guess you could get a gift back exactly.
Speaker 2: That was a big deal.
Speaker 1: And you came in and I later and you came
Speaker 1: in and you saw me, and you said, literally, it
Speaker 1: was just foreshadowing to my cocktail. You said, where'd you
Speaker 1: get that? Where'd you get the VIP bracelet? You skinny bitch? Okay,
Speaker 1: you said where'd you get the vipace? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I really don't know if I remember,
Speaker 1: and I remember Lance Bass was there that day and
Speaker 1: there was a tent and then you said, like, we're
Speaker 1: doing a reality show that about moms who can't get
Speaker 1: their kids into private school or something like that. And
Speaker 1: you said, and the producers are here, and Bobby's here,
Speaker 1: and we want you to meet them, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm not even in a very serious relationship,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be on a show about women getting
Speaker 1: their kids into private school like And then you said
Speaker 1: it because you have always these big ideas. And then
Speaker 1: I don't you like, set it and forget it. And
Speaker 1: then Bobby brought Kira Brings over to me and we
Speaker 1: all had a conversation about it, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember the beginning everything you said. I don't remember
Speaker 3: any of it. The only thing I remember is Bobby
Speaker 3: saying to me beth Andy would be great on the show.
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, but she's not married.
Speaker 3: She's it's like it's for moms, and he goes like
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. And then I went for the hard
Speaker 3: cell with you. I was literally selling you doing the
Speaker 3: show right then and there, saying it do You said
Speaker 3: to me, I don't have I'm not married, you know,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't matter. You want to be married, you
Speaker 3: want to have kids like that. I want to remember
Speaker 3: you said, but I said that right.
Speaker 1: Also, it's more crazy because you brought a producer. I
Speaker 1: did rolls Royce Tipolo because Bravo was going to shut
Speaker 1: the show down. They didn't want they wanted a fifth wife.
Speaker 1: They didn't want you guys were ready filming, but they
Speaker 1: were like, we need a fifth wife. They weren't filming already.
Speaker 1: You were ready filming. You did before me. There was
Speaker 1: like they had to cut me back in at the
Speaker 1: tennis match and put me in it because I was
Speaker 1: there like a month later. They'd been filming, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't a real show and they spent no money.
Speaker 3: So I'll fix that one. So we filmed the Fourth
Speaker 3: of July party. I know you were there. I had
Speaker 3: a Fourth of July party and.
Speaker 1: I was at the first party. You had a first party,
Speaker 1: and you guys, you're right.
Speaker 3: I had a first that was thought of July where
Speaker 3: we were dancing in the house at night, and Ramona
Speaker 3: was like, I was later, came in the.
Speaker 1: Kitchen with your aunt or sister someone a friend and
Speaker 1: we were talking later. It doesn't that's the man. I
Speaker 1: just know that Bravo wanted the fifth wife, but they
Speaker 1: wanted a wife who was a wealthier looked wealthier.
Speaker 3: And I remember talking to Andy and convincing him and
Speaker 3: you know what's so funny, and it kind of bothered
Speaker 3: me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Later on you know later later on.
Speaker 3: Somebody once asked Andy in an interview, which housewife calls
Speaker 3: you the most? And by the way, this wasn't like
Speaker 3: after I was on the show. This was many, many
Speaker 3: years later, after he's had many many other shows, many
Speaker 3: many other wives. Like I'm a housewife number six. That's
Speaker 3: what I call myself, because they were five Orange County
Speaker 3: and then I was like, number six, okay, and you
Speaker 3: can literally number them all.
Speaker 2: You were probably number seven.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that. That's fine, right.
Speaker 2: So I would say this one hundred housewives already, and.
Speaker 1: Someone said to him one hundred and eighty I think
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: So someone said to Andy, asked Andy, who who calls
Speaker 3: you the who's called you the most in whatever? And
Speaker 3: he said, Jill's Aaron. And I'm thinking to myself, first
Speaker 3: of all, that cannot possibly be true. I was on
Speaker 3: the show for four years. There's been a thousand housewived.
Speaker 1: It might have been at that time, at that moment,
Speaker 1: but at that time, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But there was so many.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing what I said to myself,
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know why I was calling you so
Speaker 3: much because I was trying to get Bethany on the
Speaker 3: fucking show.
Speaker 1: Oh that's back. Oh that was a long time.
Speaker 3: Do you remember how many calls I'm like trying to
Speaker 3: sell you and I'm trying to sell this one. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was on the phone with him and lean on
Speaker 3: my own self.
Speaker 1: But you didn't want. You wanted the show to happen
Speaker 1: so badly because they were not they were not sure
Speaker 1: they were going to continue. And you took a producer
Speaker 1: in the rolls Ars and you go, let's go to
Speaker 1: Polo and the Hamptons. We'll find a housewife.
Speaker 2: No, that's what she said. Well this is what happened.
Speaker 3: Well this one, Bravo wanted to get another housewife, and
Speaker 3: they wanted They sent Cure to the Hamptons to do it. Okay,
Speaker 3: they put her in a motel out in Montalk because
Speaker 3: on a map, you know where I lived, and Water
Speaker 3: was very close to Montalk. It's like an hour and
Speaker 3: a half in traffic. So I said to her, listen,
Speaker 3: don't tell Bravo stay in my house.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 3: Staying in her house because I was being nice. Bravo
Speaker 3: never knew that I put her in my house because
Speaker 3: they wouldn't like it, or in your trunk exactly. No,
Speaker 3: So I said to her, well, I'll introduce you to everybody.
Speaker 3: Let's go, and I took her to Paulo, I took
Speaker 3: her wherever I could to find people. I networked the
Speaker 3: whole post. I know, obviously, but that's how she got
Speaker 3: to my head.
Speaker 1: Money, get me a housewife, have to get the plane
Speaker 1: to take Ali. Yeah, so that is why. So it
Speaker 1: is Jill and Bobby why I was on the house
Speaker 1: if that is the true story. And Kira Brings deserves
Speaker 1: a shout out because she I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: the show. How about I said no. Oh, that's why
Speaker 1: there was another couple of weeks or months because I
Speaker 1: said no right after she came and shot me. And
Speaker 1: then I said no because I was in a relationship
Speaker 1: with the guy. Didn't want to be were worried about him, Yes,
Speaker 1: he was whatever, And so I said no, And you
Speaker 1: guys kept shooting, and I was I keep forgetting. I
Speaker 1: was intrigued by it, so I kept thinking about it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not selling you to do it. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be good for your brand. It's going to be good
Speaker 3: for you. And I'm telling Andy you got it. Have
Speaker 3: Bethany it doesn't matter that she was on the Apprentice.
Speaker 3: That's you know, it doesn't matter. It's a different network,
Speaker 3: it's a different day, and she's so funny.
Speaker 1: There's only one b Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: No, And by the way, since then, there's never been
Speaker 3: anyone who that kind of sense of humor. Oky, Okay,
Speaker 3: So I want this is why you'd be really honest.
Speaker 3: So knowing that you were very largely responsible for me
Speaker 3: being on the show, I mean beyond like I'm saying,
Speaker 3: very largely because Bobby and Kira were also part of it,
Speaker 3: you know, like absolutely very largely your your little pod
Speaker 3: plus Kira was entirely responsible for me being on the show.
Speaker 3: Did you later resent my success and like what I
Speaker 3: made out of it?
Speaker 1: Did you feel okay?
Speaker 3: Not only did I not resent your success, what I
Speaker 3: resented was that you didn't want to share anything with me.
Speaker 2: I was happy for you.
Speaker 3: But do you know this one thing I remember that
Speaker 3: I don't want to say hold on too, because I
Speaker 3: don't hold onto, but I'll tell you it's something I remember.
Speaker 3: I want to see if you remember this. I remember
Speaker 3: when you were starting out, and you know, I'm obsessed
Speaker 3: with private plans. I don't have to tell you that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about the big PP on the show.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You said to me that if I do two million dollars,
Speaker 3: If I make two million dollars, I'm going to take
Speaker 3: you on a private plane. And I remembered it, and
Speaker 3: I was like, is she going to remember?
Speaker 1: Well, now I'm going to do it because I didn't
Speaker 1: have two million dollars when we were still friends.
Speaker 3: No, that is true. No, No, but I'm saying, I
Speaker 3: wonder if she'll remember that it.
Speaker 1: No, but I remember we were talking in Darren Fabrics
Speaker 1: about the PP and the private plane and.
Speaker 2: All that obsessed obsessed.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's honest, and that's honest. Especially you did.
Speaker 3: You've done things that I've wanted to do. Like right
Speaker 3: after we, you know, had our fight and you had
Speaker 3: your own show, you did you took an r V trip.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that on your show?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: On the bus you did this RV? Yeah, al, the
Speaker 2: tour bus.
Speaker 3: Is that my dream? My dream is an RV. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, she's like living my dream.
Speaker 1: But we weren't friends then.
Speaker 3: No, But you know what I I I felt so
Speaker 3: bad that I missed your wedding, like I never thought
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't be there for your wedding, Like, no matter.
Speaker 2: What, I always was so happy for you.
Speaker 3: And I know I think it was hard for you
Speaker 3: to believe that someone could really be happy for you.
Speaker 1: And act believe it. I believe. What I believe is
Speaker 1: I believe that I validate and acknowledge gatekeeping certain things.
Speaker 1: You made it very challenging to share certain things because
Speaker 1: if I told you, if I told you, if you
Speaker 1: said to me, what's that and I said, schlepimental sent
Speaker 1: it to me, you'd call them in five minutes and
Speaker 1: they might not have wanted me to like you, you
Speaker 1: were grabby. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: I want you to be honest.
Speaker 1: You were very grabby and like you, I did a show,
Speaker 1: and let's not be like, I don't know, it's okay
Speaker 1: because these are things. I'm glad I was hosting it
Speaker 1: and I was the first one to ever do that.
Speaker 1: And they were like Joe's Aaron wasn't very happy about this.
Speaker 1: She was like, why not you said that?
Speaker 3: And never I don't know who said that, But I mean,
Speaker 3: I I'll own my ship and I do own my
Speaker 3: all my shit I never happened. I never there was
Speaker 3: never a show. First of all, I don't remember what
Speaker 3: the show was, but I remember you did say it
Speaker 3: on like the Today Show. Is something about that that
Speaker 3: there was that you had heard that I told somebody
Speaker 3: that I don't want you to have something that it
Speaker 3: should have been me. Never happens. Well, let's scar to
Speaker 3: you it is.
Speaker 1: But let's just the fact that you that if there
Speaker 1: are two housewives over on whatever show right now and
Speaker 1: they're best friends, they leave the show, their friendship changes.
Speaker 1: It's just a very top sick environment that you are
Speaker 1: the first person I said think that ever said that word.
Speaker 1: But like, friendships are real, but it's terrible for a relationship.
Speaker 1: It's terrible for a friendship and all, it's terrible for
Speaker 1: a marriage. But also like you're a thoroughbred horse and
Speaker 1: you come out of that fucking gate and it's it's
Speaker 1: a zero sum game. It's someone's winning and someone's losing.
Speaker 1: If you are looking amazing, someone else in that fucking
Speaker 1: scene is looking like shit. You don't know that until
Speaker 1: watching the show. My point is everybody on that's having
Speaker 1: these different experiences, especially in the beginning. It's like the
Speaker 1: fucking running of the bulls. So whatever I'm getting everybody's
Speaker 1: worried about.
Speaker 2: Get you were.
Speaker 1: Panicked going into one season. I don't have a thing.
Speaker 1: What's my thing to close?
Speaker 2: Closed?
Speaker 1: No, meant like a thing. You were felt like the
Speaker 1: race had started. I understand this by the way I
Speaker 1: would feel the same way the race had started. I
Speaker 1: knew what I wanted to do. I knew what I
Speaker 1: wanted my business to be. And at that point in
Speaker 1: that show, you were aware because you were watching what
Speaker 1: was happening. You were aware that, like you wanted to
Speaker 1: be monetizing it too. In some way. I don't mean
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: Jealous, for sure. I mean I could, I could write
Speaker 3: a book about fomo. No, totally have fomo. But this
Speaker 3: is the difference, okay.
Speaker 1: No, I mean you wanted to utilize the experience because
Speaker 1: the clock had started. We were an entrepreneur, absolutely saying,
Speaker 1: and you couldn't find the thing, and I needed help
Speaker 1: figuring out what that thing was. It took me like
Speaker 1: ten years, but it's just not easy in the moment
Speaker 1: someone has a gun to your head to say what
Speaker 1: the thing is.
Speaker 3: Carol Rads, your thing really started after we were friends.
Speaker 1: Nobody evolved. I was a chef, cook in your kitchen,
Speaker 1: and then the low calorie thing, and I was It's just.
Speaker 3: There's no question, and I there's no question that I wanted.
Speaker 3: I like to learn from other people and I do
Speaker 3: get fomo. But the one thing about the show, I
Speaker 3: never wanted my own show. I loved being an ensemble.
Speaker 3: And I think that you might have thought that I
Speaker 3: wanted like my own thing, and I was jealous that
Speaker 3: you got your own show.
Speaker 2: I was never just I.
Speaker 1: You never wanted to the powers that be in a
Speaker 1: way that was problematic, and it might have been about
Speaker 1: something else, and I don't want to do that, he said,
Speaker 1: she's because I just like you.
Speaker 3: Though, unless it comes from me, from in life, unless
Speaker 3: you hear it from the horse's mouth. And I think
Speaker 3: you know now with life experience, it's not always well,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess because I'm thinking of it. We
Speaker 1: have to mention it all because the real breakdown happened,
Speaker 1: and often this happens on housewives, and I haven't said
Speaker 1: this has happened with Carroll and myself. The real breakdown. Now,
Speaker 1: keep in mind, audience that you're this is not now
Speaker 1: when people can go to literally Housewives University and study
Speaker 1: everything to wear and to do and become a professional
Speaker 1: housewife by the time they get on This is years.
Speaker 1: We were in a brand new thing, doing a brand
Speaker 1: new eye. You were making the rule book. I I
Speaker 1: don't know what you made. I made. I think we
Speaker 1: made hundred and fifty dollars. I was the first contract. Yep, okay.
Speaker 1: For the first season, I was wearing my me down
Speaker 1: turquoise used Ralph Laurence sweater in my living room, doing
Speaker 1: my own makeup. It was not what it is today.
Speaker 1: So we all weren't a new thing and it exploded,
Speaker 1: and Ramona knew it was gonna get Remember I did too.
Speaker 1: I remember, I did not.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what we did that New York
Speaker 3: Times I think was The York magazine. We did some
Speaker 3: photo shoot and I just remember Harper's Bizarre. Harper's Bizarre
Speaker 3: was the biggest one. You were freaking That was season two.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, no, But there was a point I don't
Speaker 3: know before we got on TV. I just remember looking
Speaker 3: at all of us saying, you know this is going
Speaker 3: to be this is going to be big.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be really big. And
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be twenty years big, No
Speaker 1: going to be fair, Ramona. Not only did she call
Speaker 1: the ratings, but the way there was something else. I
Speaker 1: just lost my thoughts. But it was she thought the
Speaker 1: ratings were gonna be huge, but there was something else
Speaker 1: about you didn't think it was. Okay, I'll get there.
Speaker 2: I have a question.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to be out of order, but you
Speaker 3: brought up you brought up Carol's name. Do you think
Speaker 3: that Carol would do you think you could do this
Speaker 3: with Carol based on your friendship with her?
Speaker 1: I don't want to do I mean, respectfully, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this with Carol. It's just different.
Speaker 1: There's not it's not it didn't go as deep, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was just it was just and it got dirty
Speaker 1: or oddly. So it's it's not.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because you brought her name up. That's right.
Speaker 1: No, I brought her name up because what I was
Speaker 1: trying to say to the audience is that, like, you
Speaker 1: get into this thing, you don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: You're experiencing fame for the first time. Oh, I said
Speaker 1: to somebody, this could be a cultural phenomenon. Claire Mercury,
Speaker 1: who was Billy Joel's publicism, she said, it's not stop.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be a cultural phenomenon anymore than
Speaker 1: the guy from the liquor company that I said skinny
Speaker 1: Girl could be a fuck you brand. He's like, shut up,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. But it became
Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon. But we were in the beginning of it.
Speaker 1: And oh, Ramona was right about New York did. She
Speaker 1: doesn't have good messaging, as Paul often says, I don't,
Speaker 1: but she said that New York really put the house
Speaker 1: was on the map, not Orange County was first. But
Speaker 1: we were in im Media City, the show was being
Speaker 1: filmed in the.
Speaker 2: Press was on us.
Speaker 3: We got the Harpers bizarre, I know it was different.
Speaker 3: So she but no, shame on them. I mean they
Speaker 3: they broke you know, they they started.
Speaker 1: It, no question. I'm just saying she stumbled on our words.
Speaker 1: But because you don't need to and not everything needs
Speaker 1: to do else.
Speaker 3: I remember from that first season this. I told this
Speaker 3: to Gary today. Do you remember Linda Stossi from the
Speaker 3: New York Post. She used to write their reviews. Okay,
Speaker 3: so when the first the show first came out, and
Speaker 3: the ratings came out, and people writing reviews. I opened
Speaker 3: up because I used to read that every day, and
Speaker 3: I'd opened it up and it had four things right,
Speaker 3: and I was so excited. And I remember calling someone
Speaker 3: up saying, oh my god, we got four stars on
Speaker 3: page on, you know, in the New York Post. And
Speaker 3: they looked like, Jill, she's not four stars, it's four
Speaker 3: garbage can she trashed.
Speaker 2: You couldn't even have more.
Speaker 3: So there's four stars and then there's one garbage can.
Speaker 3: I'll pay one thousand dollars for Jill to say garbage.
Speaker 3: We had four Paul's laughing, like Paul's faces read. Paul
Speaker 3: and Garrett are sitting next to each other, like I
Speaker 3: need a picture of that. Okay, that's beyond They're They're
Speaker 3: sitting next to another, laughing.
Speaker 2: Cover the belly, Honey, cover the belly.
Speaker 1: Okay, Paul. If I ever said that's to Paul, he
Speaker 1: would be in a therapist's office for ten years.
Speaker 2: He just SATs kidding me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so so no. But what I was gonna say
Speaker 1: to you was the off season. It happened with Carol too.
Speaker 1: The off season is when your mind gets crazy, you're
Speaker 1: still living in all the garbage that lived in the
Speaker 1: last season. You're ready to go the next season. And
Speaker 1: Bobby had had a health scare. Sorry Gary talking about Bobby.
Speaker 1: It's just nory.
Speaker 3: Gary talks about it more than Bobby because we He
Speaker 3: has utmost respect for Bobby's am right, and I compare
Speaker 3: him all the time.
Speaker 1: So Bobby had had a health scare, but it felt
Speaker 1: like it was all being teed up for next season,
Speaker 1: and I respect that as much as I respect today.
Speaker 1: I was teeing everything up for this. I didn't like
Speaker 1: talk to you that much before. I wanted it to
Speaker 1: be here. And when you're doing this sport, your mind
Speaker 1: gets fucked, no more no less than Kyle and Mauricio
Speaker 1: getting the cameras up the Sandovals. Your mind gets fucked
Speaker 1: and you don't know the difference between what you should
Speaker 1: be doing private life.
Speaker 3: I always had a problem with that betening what was
Speaker 3: real what was fake? When we had that thing with
Speaker 3: was what.
Speaker 1: Was real, what was content? I don't mean fake y.
Speaker 3: So when I went to Ramona's house, and I call
Speaker 3: it being ambushed because I had no clue.
Speaker 2: First of all, I didn't know your father was sick.
Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that because you know, there
Speaker 3: was no social media then, so it wasn't like I
Speaker 3: could open up a book and you know, And of
Speaker 3: course I know what Bethany is because she tells everybody.
Speaker 1: That's also that part, isn't it to be on. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be as honest as I can possibly be in
Speaker 1: the same way that you used the Bobby card a
Speaker 1: little bit. That was a card my father's sick. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't really like my father.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker 1: But the whole group, that's what happens on the housewise,
Speaker 1: what happens on that father just died, And so I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course it's a thing, your fucking killer be killed.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I didn't say, but I mean
Speaker 1: by that I wanted to have a real That's not
Speaker 1: entirely true. My father dying was a thing in my
Speaker 1: life because it was a complicated relationship. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: I was having a Mardi Gras party. It was upsetting,
Speaker 1: But certainly I know the fact that you came over
Speaker 1: and we weren't in a good place. It's it's it's like,
Speaker 1: it's it's layering it on and I you let you
Speaker 1: used the she didn't visit Bobby, and like then I
Speaker 1: was like having to calculate the flowers I sent and
Speaker 1: all that shit. That's the fucking house.
Speaker 3: Wise because you know why bethaned it because I couldn't
Speaker 3: tell the real truth, the real truth of why I
Speaker 3: was mad at you, because they were the reason I
Speaker 3: was mad at you, because you know, I know you
Speaker 3: said get a hobby or whatever. The reason I was
Speaker 3: mad at you is because I was hurt, and maybe
Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I didn't express it.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I was hurt that I was losing you
Speaker 2: and I was being left out of everything.
Speaker 3: And I know you say it in it's a different way,
Speaker 3: but like I remember when you went on vacation, you
Speaker 3: got invited for a free trip, and I wanted not
Speaker 3: for the free trip.
Speaker 2: I wanted to like be with you, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: And then I was on your bed and I was broke,
Speaker 1: and you did take me into your home.
Speaker 2: And I never counted that.
Speaker 3: I never did.
Speaker 1: I never cared about that Bobby fed me or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I never said that just you know, I never
Speaker 1: said I don't even care. It was true, I had
Speaker 1: no plan. I don't know, but I never said it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that's not something.
Speaker 3: What I cared about is that I felt I lost you,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't really say that I was hurt by
Speaker 3: things that you had said, like there was there was
Speaker 3: something you were on the Today Show.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it.
Speaker 3: And I interviewed you, and maybe you were mad at
Speaker 3: me at the time, and they said, well, how did
Speaker 3: you get on the show, And you said a producer
Speaker 3: found me, And that was like a dagger to No.
Speaker 1: That was the crux because I read about that in
Speaker 1: New York Magazine. That's when you were like, okay, all
Speaker 1: bets are off, and you mentioned it in New York Magazine,
Speaker 1: and I had said it many places, and to this day,
Speaker 1: I've said it in my book that you brought me
Speaker 1: on the show, and.
Speaker 3: I know you have.
Speaker 1: But that day, no, I believe that you felt left out.
Speaker 1: I believe that you were. I don't like the word jealous,
Speaker 1: let's use a better word. I believe you were slightly
Speaker 1: envious and confused by all that was.
Speaker 3: I wanted to come along with me, and I believe
Speaker 3: I wasn't envy that I wanted it. I wanted to
Speaker 3: do it with you, not like being your partner.
Speaker 1: I remember you.
Speaker 2: Said to me, I wanted to do a talk show.
Speaker 3: I said, well, I would never want to do a
Speaker 3: talk show talk show with you, but I would love
Speaker 3: to be a guest on once a week.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Like that, I don't want to be remembered. To my
Speaker 1: mind is going, I don't want to be equal. I
Speaker 1: just like wanted to be part of I know you
Speaker 1: wanted us to go and be Lucian Ethel the whole way,
Speaker 1: and I think I wanted to be a solo. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the crux. Say no, but that was the crux, right,
Speaker 1: and you also wanted the credit of that you got
Speaker 1: me on and like you didn't get it there and
Speaker 1: it just knocked it and then and then your face
Speaker 1: my opinion as a person that I said, Paul Paul's
Speaker 1: our camera guy was saying before, like what is this
Speaker 1: in sports?
Speaker 3: Who is this?
Speaker 1: And like meaning if I'm I'm if, I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: Todd Michael Jordan, if she Sky Pippen, And then he's like,
Speaker 1: is she a Hall of Fame player? I'm like she
Speaker 1: would have been in the Hall of fame. I think
Speaker 1: she fumbled the ball. She would have been, she is
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player. But I think she fumbled
Speaker 1: the ball because you would have been and you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have maybe wanted the whole go the whole way and
Speaker 1: your life became better. But I'm saying you, I think wanted.
Speaker 2: There was a moment, right.
Speaker 1: You know you are an excellent you are an excellent housewife.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying to you your fatal error was having
Speaker 1: all It's like a it's like a wave cresting through
Speaker 1: the off season. That's when the fucking mind goes crazy.
Speaker 1: And you came in hot at that fashion show, not
Speaker 1: talking to me all summer about you weren't there for Bobby,
Speaker 1: and you saved it and you brought it in, but
Speaker 1: I would it. But you know what would have resolved
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 3: Let me say the biggest different of all where everything
Speaker 3: would have changed had you done season four and not
Speaker 3: gone on your own.
Speaker 2: We would have made.
Speaker 1: Up interesting the show.
Speaker 3: That's why all the other shows, but.
Speaker 1: It would have been We would have but it would
Speaker 1: have gotten dirty, and it would have been for the
Speaker 1: show because it's not your mind, because you can't be.
Speaker 3: Real unless That's where I got fumed up because when
Speaker 3: I went to Ramona's that day and got ambushed. The
Speaker 3: reason why, and that was one like when people say,
Speaker 3: what would you do differently? Okay, Well number one is
Speaker 3: I would not I would have made up with you
Speaker 3: on that sofa, but I wanted to make up with that.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have made up with me for real, you
Speaker 1: really felt the way you felt based on it.
Speaker 3: I did know everything I did was real, right, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that now that I know better. Right
Speaker 3: as a housewife, I would never have let that opportunity
Speaker 3: to go. But I also didn't know that there's no okay,
Speaker 3: your father passing away, you getting pregnant, and there was
Speaker 3: one other thing that happened, was it moving or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like I could never come back out of that,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 1: Can never like you can't get in. I couldn't get it.
Speaker 1: As much as you want us to do things together
Speaker 1: now you're an outside, not just that.
Speaker 3: And then when I went I remember when I found
Speaker 3: out you were engaged. We were at a party like
Speaker 3: a club or something. I remember too, and I wanted
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was waiting for Bobby because I
Speaker 3: was like again, but the ambush. Jill doesn't do well
Speaker 3: with surprises. That's what made me a great housewife because
Speaker 3: anytime you surprised me, I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were in a sport also, and you
Speaker 1: had dropped the boat. No, I didn't. What do you
Speaker 1: mean I knew, but I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I know, I knew, an I was just
Speaker 3: waiting for Bobby to go over to congratulate you. But
Speaker 3: again it was too late, Like if I had done
Speaker 3: it ten minutes earlier, I would have been and then
Speaker 3: the next day I'm sending you flowers, I'm doing everything.
Speaker 1: It was too late. But also, let's be honest too,
Speaker 1: Bravo was telling you, Bravo knew this was a bad idea,
Speaker 1: and Bravo was saying, you need to make up with her.
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be good, bra But I tried to
Speaker 1: explaining to people have the sausage ie, like this is
Speaker 1: fucked up. This is why this is this White people.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's not true. You know Andy says
Speaker 3: that I told you to make up with Bethany.
Speaker 2: That's not true.
Speaker 1: Well, Andy told me to marry Jason. Here we go, No, no,
Speaker 1: by the way, no, but that's not true.
Speaker 3: I don't remember him ever saying to me until it
Speaker 3: was too late, like November. We started filming, by the way,
Speaker 3: like in August September, and we finished at the end
Speaker 3: of December, So mid November he said to me how
Speaker 3: to make up with Bethany. It was already too late.
Speaker 3: It was after the same time.
Speaker 1: Just said no. But I think that no. I also
Speaker 1: think you were coming into the next season and you
Speaker 1: had no You were coming into the fashion show season
Speaker 1: with all this bubbling up about New York Magazine, and
Speaker 1: I didn't give you the credit, and you walked in.
Speaker 1: You came in hot, and they probably were like, just
Speaker 1: like me and Carol, this should get resolved before the season.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't want you to come in. They wanted
Speaker 1: Lucy and Ethel.
Speaker 2: I think who they didn't.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the point is is that I definitely made mistakes,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to be there for you when you,
Speaker 3: you know, got pregnant and all that stuff, and you
Speaker 3: just want to let me in like that was it?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you want to let me back in?
Speaker 1: Every time I every time I did something it became public.
Speaker 1: I sent a freaking gift basket for Bobby. It became public.
Speaker 1: Everything that happened you then would later leak if you
Speaker 1: didn't get the result you wanted, like if the next
Speaker 1: week we weren't friends or made a sound. I don't
Speaker 1: remind I know that, I know. I'm listening.
Speaker 2: I'm not arguing.
Speaker 1: It's fine. It's not hostile. You're not arguing. It's just
Speaker 1: arguing with you. But here's like, let's set the scene.
Speaker 1: Something happens, we see each other. There's a little olive branch.
Speaker 1: You said to me, I'm sorry that Dennis passed away,
Speaker 1: or congratulations on your baby. We start talking. Then I
Speaker 1: just kind of like, either blow you off or don't
Speaker 1: go to your gift bag party or something I don't
Speaker 1: want to do. And then it becomes you get a
Speaker 1: little hurt.
Speaker 3: You go.
Speaker 1: People get hurt, and they go and they retaliate and
Speaker 1: not intentionally, but someone asks you a question and you're
Speaker 1: always honest, You're unfiltered, so you tell them and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking I gotta live the gift basket that
Speaker 1: I sent to Bobby and the thing I just didn't want.
Speaker 1: You know, Listen, this whole day is curated today here
Speaker 1: and it's orchestrated. But I'm not into like you tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and I know you wouldn't. There's no question. I am
Speaker 1: totally trust you. I know your revolt. I think we've changed.
Speaker 1: I know what we talked about on the plane, but
Speaker 1: back then it felt like everything was a little bit
Speaker 1: of converse, you know what.
Speaker 2: I was a different person ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 3: That's why we're here now, absolutely, And I want you
Speaker 3: to know, like even the last couple when you came
Speaker 3: to my apartment with Bobby, you know, when Bobby died
Speaker 3: and I said I'm not going to say anything to anyone.
Speaker 3: I never did, and like that would have been something that,
Speaker 3: of course, you know, to tell someone. I never told anybody,
Speaker 3: only when it came out.
Speaker 1: But there were a couple of things that you would
Speaker 1: say later. When it came out. You were like, I
Speaker 1: think she maybe just want no no. But that was
Speaker 1: after it came out on the show. I was so devastated.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that you were going, and I
Speaker 1: remember that I was going. You were wearing this gorgeous
Speaker 1: silver jacket, so I remember to the funeral. No, no,
Speaker 1: you came to my apartments to pace with Britain. Okay,
Speaker 1: I said to you, I'm not going to tell anybody
Speaker 1: you were here like this means so much to me,
Speaker 1: and my sister was there and now it was there.
Speaker 1: And by the way you can hear I'm telling my flaws.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it meant a lot to me too,
Speaker 1: and I love Allan. We always had a close relationship,
Speaker 1: and I wanted her to see Britain. I was so
Speaker 1: excited when she started the Serfflage and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be there and we can we're going to go through
Speaker 1: that hole how that happened. But I wanted to be there,
Speaker 1: And but that doesn't mean that tomorrow I want to
Speaker 1: get married, like I'm a Paul and I were at
Speaker 1: a story.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't know. What I'm saying is that I
Speaker 3: was shocked that it was on the show. I had
Speaker 3: no idea that you were leaving me to go film,
Speaker 3: that you were at my house. Oh god, I'm in
Speaker 3: the fucking sewer. I had, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but you can't, so you can't can't.
Speaker 3: But what do you mean, But I've been off the
Speaker 3: show for years. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, you just didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were filming that just filmed the funeral.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Hold on a minute.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about this? Yes, because I back up.
Speaker 1: With them and give them in small bites there and
Speaker 1: she knows, hold on small bites. Small Bikey Cohen texts me,
Speaker 1: calls me. I'm in a nail salon in Aspen, says,
Speaker 1: Bobby passed away. I loved Bobby. That is a side like,
Speaker 1: not a side thing.
Speaker 3: No, I believe it.
Speaker 2: I know you did.
Speaker 1: I quote him all the time, but Bobby one more.
Speaker 3: That's it he was.
Speaker 1: I loved Bobby, and he's here is a gentle soul.
Speaker 2: Just be just be.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. This is a sign
Speaker 1: behind me. Just piece just Bobby. So Andy says to
Speaker 1: me something about it, and I don't And and again
Speaker 1: this is me being a thousand percent.
Speaker 3: I know when I heard you want to show kind
Speaker 3: of punt the ball to him when this came up, mh, Well,
Speaker 3: because you aren't gonna lie, and you just said listen
Speaker 3: and you answered the question Andy.
Speaker 1: Oh, because he was trying to make it like the show,
Speaker 1: but I think he was making it like I knew
Speaker 1: what was going on. No, but you were you did.
Speaker 1: I think that we First of all, Bobby liked the show.
Speaker 1: It was part of our experience. It's good content. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with you being a good
Speaker 1: person loving you.
Speaker 3: Wanted a film too. No, okay, let me tell you
Speaker 3: what happened. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: Someone who worked for me, I'm not gonna mention his name,
Speaker 2: Andy tells me she Jill.
Speaker 1: Says Bobby would have loved when he was hold On,
Speaker 1: let's get real. Andy said to me that when Bobby
Speaker 1: was in the cat in the in the in the hospital,
Speaker 1: or when he was sick, that you said to him,
Speaker 1: he would love to you to cover this or to
Speaker 1: see this or something like that he loved the show
Speaker 1: and that you wanted there to be cover ridge of
Speaker 1: like not meeting him being very sick but him Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: And he tells me something that's right to do, something
Speaker 2: that is true.
Speaker 1: Okay. He said that it was an overall thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, that you but me. I'm gonna just tell
Speaker 3: you this, okay, but then you know this is the truth.
Speaker 1: Hold on. But then he said in the thing, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you what he said.
Speaker 3: Then you can go.
Speaker 1: You and he said Jill said, you can bring the
Speaker 1: ca you could bring the cameras to the funeral. That's
Speaker 1: what he said to me.
Speaker 2: Not you said, okay, if that was true?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Would they need a release from me to forget my
Speaker 3: voice on camera?
Speaker 1: No? I know I have heard you say this.
Speaker 2: Would they need a release from me?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, do they have one?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I will tell you they do not
Speaker 1: because Barry Bernstein also says the same story.
Speaker 3: Andy and I had dinner with Barry. Barry, and you
Speaker 3: know what Barry said to me. I know the truth.
Speaker 3: When I asked her, I said, you know, they don't
Speaker 3: have a release on me. She goes, I know, I said,
Speaker 3: so why did they do it? You know what she
Speaker 3: said to me. They counted on you not suing. I
Speaker 3: believe you, but I so. I I tell you there's
Speaker 3: no release, then you have to know I didn't know.
Speaker 3: If I'm telling you there's no release, I don't have
Speaker 3: to know. But if you tell me that you didn't know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe you. I don't care about it release,
Speaker 3: but I don't want you to know because I'm Allison.
Speaker 1: We don't need Allison.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even going to be down here like no,
Speaker 1: but she was at.
Speaker 3: The I don't need it. When I saw you, I
Speaker 3: saw you walking out of the funeral, in the funeral,
Speaker 3: in the procession. When I was walking out after we
Speaker 3: had the funeral, and I was oh, and I saw you.
Speaker 2: I died.
Speaker 1: I had no idea you were this Christ. That's brutal
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me tell you what happened. Because I
Speaker 3: saw you, my heart dropped. I couldn't believe you were there.
Speaker 3: And you looked drop dead with this black hat and
Speaker 3: this black suit like and I was so happy, and
Speaker 3: I said, oh my god, I didn't know you were
Speaker 3: an aspen.
Speaker 2: I knew nothing right you were there, and I was
Speaker 2: so happy. Okay.
Speaker 3: Then I come downstairs and someone who works me, I
Speaker 3: say who or actually he didn't work for me then,
Speaker 3: but he was a friend, says to me, Beth, and
Speaker 3: he wants to talk to you before she leaves, and
Speaker 3: he grabs me and I walk over.
Speaker 1: Who does this? Somebody that works with the crew, someone.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine, he used to work for me.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I okay, I'm telling you the truth,
Speaker 3: and I've got okay. Okay, So my sister was with me.
Speaker 3: Psychic Jen Jen was there. Ali was with me, and
Speaker 3: he was with me, and he says, Bethany wants to
Speaker 3: talk to you before she leaves. And I was so
Speaker 3: happy that you were there, and I came over. Now
Speaker 3: I did see cameras. I right there was TMZ. I
Speaker 3: had no I no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Know who the cameras were. Oh, I wasn't on a mic.
Speaker 2: You want a mic? I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
Speaker 3: So when we hugged and all that, and I'm wearing
Speaker 3: bug glasses. You have to know I'm a little vain.
Speaker 3: If I knew I was being filmed, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: looked like that. I still would have had mad.
Speaker 1: So I literally I need a minute. I had need
Speaker 1: a minute. You need to know.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Okay, I literally, if if I believe you and I
Speaker 1: hand to hand to God, should Bobby give me a second?
Speaker 1: Because I first didn't want anything to do, and then
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do with it, and then yes,
Speaker 1: I thought, she wants them there, and I know you
Speaker 1: and I thought and by the way, you weren't upset
Speaker 1: that it not. I didn't sue them because I wasn't
Speaker 1: the way they handled it. I'm going to get to
Speaker 1: how I really feel about that, and it's going to
Speaker 1: be fairly explosive and it's going to be a fairly
Speaker 1: big statement in a second, because I got to process that,
Speaker 1: because if I were home, I'd be like on a
Speaker 1: couch thinking I was I had no idea, because I
Speaker 1: what you're saying is I fucking ambushed a funeral for
Speaker 1: reality television.
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's what Ramona was saying. Is now, of course
Speaker 3: I had no idea the cameras were going to be there.
Speaker 3: Forget the other. Okay, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: That nobody knew.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, right, Okay, sod By the way, you
Speaker 3: know when I found out when it aired, when the
Speaker 3: commercial started in January, and I saw myself and you
Speaker 3: on every single fucking commercial, but the entire season was
Speaker 3: me and you make.
Speaker 2: It enough, And I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It's disgusted. I love you. I don't need al. I
Speaker 1: love you. Stop. You need to know there hand to go.
Speaker 1: Stop with Ali. You're alone and with me, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So because you I'm gonna lose my train of thought.
Speaker 1: So so that's disgusting. It was disgusting Okay, that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: That's literally the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. Now,
Speaker 1: just know that I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: gone to the funeral if we weren't shooting it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I don't know what I was going
Speaker 1: to do enough, only because it was a spectacle and
Speaker 1: it would have been a thing and fair enough. I remember,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. No, I'm saying it's the same thing
Speaker 1: we're saying this whole time. I don't know what not real, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying the truth. I don't know. But once
Speaker 1: it got going, I knew that it would be like
Speaker 1: so compelling in an amazing interesting moment. And again like
Speaker 1: seeing Allie, it was totally real when I saw you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved Bobby and it was real. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Just like I don't know that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go to someone else's like me going to a funeral
Speaker 1: that would have become a circus because I'm going there
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily what I do. I would have gone to
Speaker 1: the Shiva, no question.
Speaker 3: I believe you when you think I would have thought,
Speaker 3: because I was okay with it. Had I known about it,
Speaker 3: I might have been okay, exactly, you might have done it,
Speaker 3: but they had no idea. And that's why there's no
Speaker 3: wa because nobody ever called me after. I didn't know
Speaker 3: about it till it aired, and Barras they counted on
Speaker 3: me not suing because that I'm, you know, as they say,
Speaker 3: thirsty to come back and this and that, which wasn't true.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to bite the hand that fed me.
Speaker 3: Brabo was good to me. I felt that they handled
Speaker 3: it respectfully. The fact that I didn't know or didn't
Speaker 3: know the audience saw something that was a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1: I was definitely taking advantage of, you know how, But
Speaker 1: because that's an ambush on me. If I show up
Speaker 1: to a funeral in a black hat and glasses and
Speaker 1: a dress and get out of the car and you say,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing here? How that would
Speaker 1: be like they that would be like the worst thing
Speaker 1: that like it's it's just a it's just a disaster.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is disgusting.
Speaker 1: And that could have gone that way because I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and I could have been disgusting and it's embarrassing. And
Speaker 1: it's why when I got together with Paul and he
Speaker 1: could see with a clear mind. He was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing here? And the sewer and
Speaker 1: it's it's really disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting. That's disgusting. And
Speaker 1: I apologized because it was a spectacle in a circus
Speaker 1: and yes you know, and yes there's the lines are blurred,
Speaker 1: But like, I want to.
Speaker 3: Back to why. So now you came to the Shiva
Speaker 3: call right not knowing that the funeral was filmed.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking you wanted us at the funeral. Now
Speaker 1: you're making a big deal that I was filming after
Speaker 1: the Shiva exactly who cause.
Speaker 2: I had no idea you filmed the thing.
Speaker 3: So now I'm like, wow, this is off the record, right,
Speaker 3: like we're going to keep this quiet. And you didn't
Speaker 3: say anything otherwise. And then when I saw the show,
Speaker 3: you were wearing the same silver jacket and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, she left my house and went to
Speaker 3: film after we just had this like real moment.
Speaker 1: So nothing's really I get where you're coming from one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, and it was where to do and I
Speaker 1: but now you understand what I'm saying, why.
Speaker 3: And I'm happy that you know now what really happened
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. You don't always know.
Speaker 2: Think you know.
Speaker 1: I think you. I thought you wanted the funeral to
Speaker 1: be covered, and you did admit.
Speaker 3: That you want the funeral covered, but not without me
Speaker 3: knowing about it.
Speaker 2: Right, okay?
Speaker 3: But did you ask for them to caysk We asked
Speaker 3: them if there was I think the shiva.
Speaker 2: We wanted to have the girls come over. You're a shiver.
Speaker 1: The person who worked for you called them and said
Speaker 1: she would be open to.
Speaker 2: The doing shiving.
Speaker 1: You know what happened. You want to know how horrible
Speaker 1: it is. Roddy fifty shades agree though a person saying
Speaker 1: you're welcome to the ship.
Speaker 3: The part is knowing and not knowing. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that you were there to film. I had no idea.
Speaker 3: I thought you were there for real because I didn't
Speaker 3: know the cameras were there.
Speaker 1: That is an ambush, right okay? Okay?
Speaker 2: I mean is so crady, But let me talk about
Speaker 2: the shive. And this is what hurt me.
Speaker 3: Also is that I invited the girls over whether and
Speaker 3: they wanted to film it. I didn't care if they
Speaker 3: filmed it or not. They wanted to film it. And
Speaker 3: I said, well, you can't really film the real Shiver.
Speaker 3: That's not okay. It has to be on Friday after
Speaker 3: when they faced when they found out. Listen, when the
Speaker 3: girls found out that you filmed, because they didn't know
Speaker 3: you filmed either, by the way, miss Okay, your co
Speaker 3: stars and they told you this. They didn't know that
Speaker 3: you were bringing cameras to Bobby's funeral.
Speaker 1: When they found listen, who from them?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 3: When they found out, you know what they said to Bravo,
Speaker 3: We're not going to Jills to shoot Shiv.
Speaker 1: And I was hurt because I'm like, and that's also
Speaker 1: not real. It's more bullshit.
Speaker 3: No, but it was okay when I said to Plavo, right,
Speaker 3: you're not on purpose. What I'm saying is so I
Speaker 3: wanted Bobby's funeral to be covered in some way that
Speaker 3: he passed, not the funeral. I wanted his passing to
Speaker 3: be recognized on the show, even though I was off
Speaker 3: the show and coming to pay their respects.
Speaker 2: That a SHIV call was the way to do it.
Speaker 3: Funeral life, and they told me they wouldn't do it,
Speaker 3: and they didn't tell me why. They just said that
Speaker 3: they didn't. They couldn't come on Friday period. That was
Speaker 3: it when it all happened and came out, and I called.
Speaker 1: Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Would have liked the girls to come over on that
Speaker 3: Friday afternoon after real Shiv.
Speaker 2: It was a over to film.
Speaker 3: Just coming to pay their respects, to say that Bobby passed,
Speaker 3: how great he was, talk about memories, show a little
Speaker 3: bit of footage and the end. I wouldn't get paid.
Speaker 3: I didn't ask for any money ever. I just asked,
Speaker 3: wanted that covered. When they called me back, the producers said,
Speaker 3: the girls can't come.
Speaker 2: They're busy.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, this one can't come. Sonya can't come, Ramona
Speaker 3: can't come.
Speaker 1: I was hurt.
Speaker 3: It is what it is. Now fast forward I see
Speaker 3: the commercial of you and me and I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Then I see I call up.
Speaker 3: I don't remember the order, but somehow I got a
Speaker 3: hold of Ramona or Lawanne and they said, no, we
Speaker 3: weren't going to come because Bethany covered the funeral and
Speaker 3: we didn't know we would have. We were there, Jill,
Speaker 3: they were there, Ramona came, Lewanne came, Derenda came. They
Speaker 3: all came to the funeral. They weren't on the show
Speaker 3: at the funeral. They were mad that they didn't get
Speaker 3: recognized as showing up.
Speaker 1: By the way at the funeral. Okay, that's funny to
Speaker 1: you hearing this, No, I'm hearing this. No, it connects
Speaker 1: because also the girls later were making it like, oh,
Speaker 1: you you go to a you you you exploit the
Speaker 1: funeral on camera.
Speaker 3: They just were mad it wasn't there. They were mad
Speaker 3: they weren't there. So that's where they they.
Speaker 2: Punished.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say me, And they wouldn't come
Speaker 3: respect Bobby because they were mad that you did it
Speaker 3: by yourself and didn't ask.
Speaker 1: But hold on, let me take them. Man. You believe
Speaker 1: all of this story and convoluted and confusing, and we
Speaker 1: don't want to get stay in the weeds too long.
Speaker 1: But I will say that I think it's the funniest
Speaker 1: that the girls got mad at me that they were
Speaker 1: playing a supporting role, not a leading role. That's the funeral.
Speaker 3: They wanted to be stars of the ship. Not all
Speaker 3: of them were, by the way.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I didn't know because they all
Speaker 1: stood on a big soapbox about that. I went to
Speaker 1: the funeral on cameras. Some of them did not all
Speaker 1: of them, so a soapbox, right, Derenda and Ramona did, yeah, exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a breath, just for a true seconds. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a lot, right, so let's take a breath.
Speaker 3: So what.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's like to have a friendship on
Speaker 1: the Housewives?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: The New New Housewives aired last night, and then afterwards
Speaker 3: I watched Andy, I watch What Happens Live, and I
Speaker 3: could almost read Andy's mind. They're all together Kumbaya. And
Speaker 3: then at the very end, there was a little something
Speaker 3: between two of the girls. One gave the other one
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bite and she was like pissed.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking I could read Andie's mind saying way
Speaker 3: to the reunion, like you're all friends today every week?
Speaker 3: And you know what he said? How much do I
Speaker 3: have to pay you? I don't remember what he said,
Speaker 3: something about that. You know that promised me you're not
Speaker 3: going to call me when you don't like the edit,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, or when you don't like
Speaker 3: the way you look. And only one girl said she
Speaker 3: wouldn't call Jennally.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this on the other show.
Speaker 3: I know but what my point? What was my point?
Speaker 3: My point is is can you be friends and be
Speaker 3: on the show. Well, we'll find out what the New
Speaker 3: New York Housewives. They're all best friends as of today.
Speaker 3: Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: But they're not real best friends. Their best friends because
Speaker 1: they're on a show together. That's right.
Speaker 2: So that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Well, no, can you sustain a friendship?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a friendship that you make on the show
Speaker 3: or a friendship that you had before.
Speaker 2: Either big difference. I think there's a difference.
Speaker 1: You think you can. I think it'd be hard to
Speaker 1: sustain any friendship on in a deep, deep way.
Speaker 3: I think if you're both willing, I think that you
Speaker 3: and I did for the first two years. I agree,
Speaker 3: and I think we could have done this. I think
Speaker 3: we could have done season three. But I think that
Speaker 3: a lot of things changed for you. Getting married.
Speaker 1: Has a Housewives friendship that has lasted from the beginning.
Speaker 1: This is from the other show. But I just actually
Speaker 1: want to know if we let me think about that
Speaker 1: and get back you kind of write that down. So
Speaker 1: let's tell the story about I have a vivid memory
Speaker 1: in the Hamptons of me negotiating our contracts.
Speaker 3: What was it you were a little bit wrong. Nope,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you where it was. You're ready, you're
Speaker 3: gonna do now. I'm gonna bring you back. You're ready.
Speaker 3: In front of Sex with the have a new men's
Speaker 3: store on Main Street. Well, you were on the phone
Speaker 3: with Anti Cone literally negotiating for thousand dollars for the
Speaker 3: second season.
Speaker 2: Second season.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't get that much. A second. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have been third. Yeah, you're right, because then okay.
Speaker 3: Yep, second season, and and they offered us yes, and
Speaker 3: you and I said, you said whatever you say, and
Speaker 3: you were right. But you I heard you talk about
Speaker 3: this recently. You were right on Bethany do it. It's
Speaker 3: up to you. But where it was. It was in
Speaker 3: front of saxon Main Street.
Speaker 1: I haven't had many I started in your closet.
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you. I remember you on the phone,
Speaker 3: and you were so proud of yourself when we went
Speaker 3: to Main Street for lunch.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious because I got it done. You're saying, got
Speaker 1: it done right there? Got it?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: You were so proud of yourself, and I was so
Speaker 1: proud of you. Okay, let's talk about the Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, how many true friendships have you really established
Speaker 1: on the housewives so you don't have to say who
Speaker 1: they are? You can true friendships like lifelong, real friends
Speaker 1: that aren't like cluttered in some way or tainted in
Speaker 1: some way based on things that have happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think anything, I think they're all fragile, okay,
Speaker 3: And I I think I've been able to sustain three
Speaker 3: or four five maybe, but at any point anything can break.
Speaker 1: It's not like your friends you've had for your whole
Speaker 1: life's down.
Speaker 3: But I think any friendship is fragile, even the ones
Speaker 3: you've had your whole life.
Speaker 1: Interesting well especially I feel like post pandemic, it's and
Speaker 1: things have changed. We're all in our own minds, and
Speaker 1: I just think that I think exactly.
Speaker 3: It's funny how it just happened to a friend of mine,
Speaker 3: you know, someone who's just had a really deep relationship
Speaker 3: with and it just took one bad day that they
Speaker 3: had and he went on the internet and said all
Speaker 3: these horrible things about her and like went public with it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a public person and just.
Speaker 3: Really like there's no going back, Okay, So I think
Speaker 3: friendships are listen, marriages are fragile.
Speaker 1: Marriages are fragile, most things, most.
Speaker 3: Even parents and children that don't talk. I mean that
Speaker 3: wasn't about you. I'm thinking of someone else. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think relationships are fragile. I think the one with
Speaker 3: your child is the least fragile. I think that's the
Speaker 3: strongest bond. But it's also fragile.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's fragile too. It's scary. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Legacy negotiation, because I I have what I
Speaker 1: think happened. I was, I know, and I love listening
Speaker 1: to your show and listening to what you say, so
Speaker 1: I want to hear how close I am. What I
Speaker 1: think happened is you were an original house Wife. You
Speaker 1: were on for several seasons. Some people were going to
Speaker 1: be on Legacy that came later and haven't been on
Speaker 1: since the very beginning, and everyone's at different paygrids. When
Speaker 1: Jill and I started, it was called favored Nations and
Speaker 1: everybody got paid the same right, and we fucked that up.
Speaker 1: I fucked that up for everybody because we were We
Speaker 1: went on our own. You're like, I'm going with you.
Speaker 1: Remember the three blode they were going together. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they were going together and I was like, you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm over here here.
Speaker 2: I was with you all the way right.
Speaker 1: So that so now there's it's a it's a Chinese
Speaker 1: a la carte. Men, you know what the salaries are.
Speaker 1: It's all over the place. Everybody gets different. So you
Speaker 1: were walking into what I perceive as a new show
Speaker 1: with a collection of people that are casting a great show.
Speaker 1: You wanted to be paid what everybody else wanted to
Speaker 1: be paid, and they so you didn't want to come
Speaker 1: in where you were because that was a long time
Speaker 1: ago before people started getting real money, and they wanted
Speaker 1: they wanted to be thinking that they weren't on a
Speaker 1: show that just got canceled and that they were still
Speaker 1: riding with the next season of the show and be
Speaker 1: where they were. And I think that everybody fucked it
Speaker 1: up because they should have met in the middle. So
Speaker 1: they should have come to the middle and you, you
Speaker 1: would have gotten probably more than you were even asking for.
Speaker 1: I think that they should have come down and you
Speaker 1: should have all met in the middle. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why it got fucked up, because you were blamed
Speaker 1: for it. But I don't think it was really you.
Speaker 3: And you know what's so funny, it was my career.
Speaker 3: I was, well, not really, but like it's always it's
Speaker 3: very hypocritical, you know, the networks they are because you
Speaker 3: know they say that you know, you can't talk to
Speaker 3: the press, but then they do. You know, like who knew?
Speaker 3: Who blamed me for the negotiations breaking down? I think
Speaker 3: that come from didn't come from me?
Speaker 1: What really happened that?
Speaker 3: Who cares? Who know? But it does because then if
Speaker 3: I was like, if I talk to you about it
Speaker 3: right now, no no, But then if I told you
Speaker 3: about it now, it's like, oh, she's talking about it, Well,
Speaker 3: where did it start? They started talking about it? Not me?
Speaker 1: No, but it could have been one of the girls
Speaker 1: that said you messed it up. I think it was
Speaker 1: one of the girls. Who care?
Speaker 2: That's me?
Speaker 3: It wasn't But it doesn't matter. Well, first of all,
Speaker 3: you know what was in my head. I'll tell you
Speaker 3: something when I saw you and we talked about me
Speaker 3: coming back on the show.
Speaker 1: And remember what you said? What did I say? What
Speaker 1: are you thinking?
Speaker 2: Don't do it?
Speaker 3: Of course?
Speaker 2: Would you say, do you remember what you said to me?
Speaker 2: I remember what you said to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't need it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Tell me, don't do it. You don't need it. What
Speaker 3: do you need it for. It's not good for you.
Speaker 1: It's not but you. It's like it's like that crack
Speaker 1: that's bad for you, but you like want to look.
Speaker 3: But you know that's funny because there was one a
Speaker 3: housewife from another show called me thirsty, and that stuck
Speaker 3: with me in the sense of like, first of all,
Speaker 3: being thirsty in this certain way is not a bad thing,
Speaker 3: but the way, by the way, the way it was said,
Speaker 3: it was meant to be flattering. No, And it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm the least thirsty.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I've got to have had this reputation, like I want
Speaker 3: to get back on the show. I want to get
Speaker 3: back on the show. Does anybody know me? Like if
Speaker 3: you ask my family, they'll tell you. It's like when
Speaker 3: I I I know, I don't do things for money.
Speaker 3: I do things first because I want to do it.
Speaker 3: Then it's money, right, But when I did the Housewives,
Speaker 3: I always said, and maybe it was a mistake that
Speaker 3: I didn't do it for the money, because clearly I didn't. Right,
Speaker 3: it was day one and we made no money. I
Speaker 3: did it because I wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: And you liked a little the fun. I did it
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: I wanted to get famous. I wanted to promote my brand.
Speaker 3: I wanted to have a memory on footage of Bobby
Speaker 3: and look like he's gone now, but I still have
Speaker 3: him forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot of it when in
Speaker 1: your marriage, you've been married to you and.
Speaker 3: I had the best time for the first two years exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean we were loosey ethol. We had the best time, right.
Speaker 3: But now it's a different day, you know, And if
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back on TV or do anything,
Speaker 3: it's not because I'm going to have fun, because clearly
Speaker 3: I have some issues with some of the housewives going
Speaker 3: into it. So it's got to be because I'm going
Speaker 3: to make money. You talk about precedence. So I had
Speaker 3: just on Ultimate Girl's Trip, and they paid me a
Speaker 3: certain amount per episode.
Speaker 2: I was being offered less than half for per episode.
Speaker 1: But that's different because it's a week to get a bang,
Speaker 1: and that's a little different.
Speaker 3: I'll just say, well, just to the money was if
Speaker 3: you everything's always episodic, you know, with these networks, it is.
Speaker 1: But they're they're cramming one week.
Speaker 3: No, no, this is not about the legacy week. This
Speaker 3: is what we're talking about back in January.
Speaker 2: Say we're going to do it.
Speaker 1: You can't compare the per episode to what you're getting
Speaker 1: because they're getting a bigger bang for that one week.
Speaker 1: That's that's like explosive. It's a one week. It's not
Speaker 1: that I'm saying, we're not talking about that show. There's
Speaker 1: two legacies too. No, No, I know, I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh you mean, okay, you can't go by that as
Speaker 3: the precedent per episode necessarily. So then if we go
Speaker 3: back to even season four of what I made right,
Speaker 3: which I can still less than what I got back
Speaker 3: then twenty years ago. This is what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what I'll said. So you if they wanted
Speaker 3: me on the show, the offer would have been right,
Speaker 3: and I believe that they never I believe that they.
Speaker 2: Didn't want absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Oh so you didn't regret not doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, okay, good.
Speaker 2: Why would I regret it?
Speaker 1: Because I thought maybe you overplayed your hand.
Speaker 3: No, I know you said that now, because I could
Speaker 3: have had any time called them up and said I'll
Speaker 3: take it.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, until.
Speaker 1: That, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, So let's and I was.
Speaker 3: All I wanted was them to ask me back, and
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, and you have that. Did you feel that
Speaker 1: it was punitive that you didn't go on this recent.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's one hundred percent punitive. And the funny thing
Speaker 3: is is all I said was? And all I said
Speaker 3: was And first of all, I kept my mouth shut
Speaker 3: because I just kept my mouth shut. You know, everybody
Speaker 3: was talking about it. I was being blamed for it,
Speaker 3: and I didn't say a one fucking word.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until.
Speaker 3: It was already over and they canceled the show and
Speaker 3: they weren't doing it, and I was told to just
Speaker 3: stand by and wait and they were going to work
Speaker 3: on the offer, and they never did. And all I
Speaker 3: said publicly was I think it should be. Like I
Speaker 3: had told Luanne privately when we had dinner, I said,
Speaker 3: why don't they just do this as Ultimate Girl's Trip.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, it should be.
Speaker 3: We all have different lives, we're all in different places,
Speaker 3: we all live in different cities.
Speaker 1: It's not realistic for us to be that was your idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my idea, and then she took it
Speaker 3: to Andy because Andy told me Luanne told her him
Speaker 3: that idea.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who took credit. That's irrelevant. The point
Speaker 2: is no.
Speaker 1: But that hurtsal. You weren't invited o idea.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I wouldn't do it. That happened on The Handmaid's Tale,
Speaker 1: by the way, Serena had the idea for the fertility
Speaker 1: thing and they didn't include her, and I don't like it. Wait. Wait,
Speaker 1: I watched The Handmaids at the end when Serena wanted
Speaker 1: to do the fertility clinic in Gilead and they went
Speaker 1: over and they stole her idea and they did it
Speaker 1: without her.
Speaker 2: Watch it, okay, we watch.
Speaker 3: So I was so when they came out and said
Speaker 3: that they were going to do Ultimate Girl's Trip legacy.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a great idea. But I have
Speaker 3: had and you know, I know you're friends with one
Speaker 3: of the girls. I'm not even going to mention her name,
Speaker 3: and I've had issues with her and it just wasn't
Speaker 3: worth it to me to It's okay for you to
Speaker 3: have disagreements and arguments with people, and you know, be
Speaker 3: able to clean it up. But I didn't feel that
Speaker 3: I could clean it up and I had too much
Speaker 3: to risk, I had too.
Speaker 1: Much to create. So you do you feel that the
Speaker 1: arguments have changed significantly since when we were on the
Speaker 1: level of arguments and the way that people argue is
Speaker 1: different than when we were on.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that jealousy comes into it. I think
Speaker 3: that some girls are in better places than others, and
Speaker 3: I think that people will just say and do anything
Speaker 3: to take someone else down because the jealousy.
Speaker 1: And also you're on those trips where everybody's been fired,
Speaker 1: so they have to claw their way back in that one.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, yes it could be. All I know is that.
Speaker 3: And my family really thought I was going to do
Speaker 3: legacy by the way. Everybody said You're going to do it,
Speaker 3: and I said, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. It's not good for me.
Speaker 3: I felt that on the place, smoking.
Speaker 1: Overall as an energy, and this is I'm like in
Speaker 1: my mind thinking does she change, and like she kind
Speaker 1: of wants to do it because she misses the light
Speaker 1: a little and she wants the little hit. Yeah she's right,
Speaker 1: but she wants to hit. She's like enticed by it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's respectful. It's like an X that she
Speaker 1: like is like curious about, but like she doesn't really
Speaker 1: know if she wants to go back to that toxic relationship.
Speaker 2: It's not good for me.
Speaker 3: It's like, you want to go back to smoking, but
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna die exactly.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna die. I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: it's not about the money.
Speaker 3: No, But know what I'm saying is like, if you
Speaker 3: made me an offer that I can't refuse, Sure, I
Speaker 3: could be bought. I mean I could to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: so right now, but if I lose my whole brand,
Speaker 3: I lose it all.
Speaker 1: No, but do you still have a little bit of
Speaker 1: the curiosity and you like and you watch it?
Speaker 2: I'm totally over it.
Speaker 3: Like you don't. I'll tell you why. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you why. I just filmed a show called Goat on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't mean anything. No, No, it's called Goat.
Speaker 3: It's called Greatest of All by the way, it's funny.
Speaker 3: It's the acronym's greatest of All Time reality star, which
Speaker 3: doesn't exist. So it's like a comedy and Daniel Tosh
Speaker 3: is the host who's this hysterical comedian, and there's fourteen
Speaker 3: reality stars. It's kind of like Big Brother. We all
Speaker 3: sleep in one house, so you're getting your those curious projects.
Speaker 3: The best time of my life. I met all the
Speaker 3: I was the oldest by far. They were like all
Speaker 3: my kids. I'm trying to help everybody, you know me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I'm cooking every meal. I had the
Speaker 3: best time and the most. The biggest thing is I
Speaker 3: wanted to play the games. I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: ever watched Big Brother, but they have all these games,
Speaker 3: and I love games, and I love word games, and
Speaker 3: I play wordle every day.
Speaker 2: I love that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I'm like aging out of it, Like at some
Speaker 3: point I can I play tennis.
Speaker 2: They played pickaball. This was like an opportunity for lifetime
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: So and I had the best time. All the little
Speaker 1: things together that there is fun as doing it. You
Speaker 1: don't care if it's out. You just want to be
Speaker 1: in the action a little.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I The Housewives for me has come and passed.
Speaker 3: I loved I loved it when I did it. I'm
Speaker 3: happy for the new cast and in the biggest and
Speaker 3: best way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had it all.
Speaker 3: I mean I had it, and I'm like aged out,
Speaker 3: you know, And now there's a new crop. It's a
Speaker 3: good thing, not a bad thing. It just keeps the
Speaker 3: show going on longer. I don't know why they're trying
Speaker 3: to pit the old against the new. I think it's
Speaker 3: not good, but we're going to get into that. I know,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, But anyway, I'm happy. I did
Speaker 3: feel fomo about the one week legacy, the legacy on it,
Speaker 3: because I felt that I gave the idea, at least
Speaker 3: I told everybody in the audience. I told people, well,
Speaker 3: it should be Favored Nations and it should be just
Speaker 3: a week and we should just have a good time,
Speaker 3: and it is what it is. And then they did
Speaker 3: it and didn't invite me, and I definitely know it
Speaker 3: was for spite because because I said no, they were
Speaker 3: mad at me.
Speaker 2: And it's okay.
Speaker 3: I do believe that if they wanted me to do
Speaker 3: the show, the offer would have been there, and maybe
Speaker 3: I would have done it because I would have felt
Speaker 3: like they really wanted me. But when they gave me
Speaker 3: that terrible offer and I found it insulted, and they
Speaker 3: offered Kelly. First of all, they said that it was
Speaker 3: based on how many years you were on the show.
Speaker 3: And then I found out Kelly was offered more than me.
Speaker 3: Now she was on a year less than me, So
Speaker 3: how is that possible.
Speaker 1: That's how you get into cattiness. That's what happens then.
Speaker 3: And then also that's the other thing. If everybody's making
Speaker 3: different money, you have a different level of importance, feeling,
Speaker 3: and like, I shouldn't feel less than anybody else.
Speaker 2: I helped start the show.
Speaker 1: You didn't feel valued, You felt right, and I don't.
Speaker 3: Need to do it for them. You know what I
Speaker 3: did say to someone to in the press, I said,
Speaker 3: how about this, if you pay every if everyone takes
Speaker 3: a dollar, I'll take a dollar.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 1: You just wanted to feel respected.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be unequal playing field because I
Speaker 3: am equal. And by the way, just because I haven't
Speaker 3: done Housewives for as many seasons doesn't mean I haven't
Speaker 3: done other television shows of the projects and made more
Speaker 3: money than all of them put together.
Speaker 1: So but it's irrelevantly, it's irrelevant. That's really funny. It's
Speaker 1: not your training for the Olympics. You ran one mile
Speaker 1: than twenty. It's like you're the housewives.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter whether I did for now seasons,
Speaker 3: I've done other things, same thing for you. By the
Speaker 3: way you left and did this and did that when
Speaker 3: you came back, did they count that you weren't a housewives?
Speaker 3: The fact that you had a talk show and everything
Speaker 3: else doesn't count.
Speaker 1: So that's now it is.
Speaker 3: But I have hold absolutely no resentment at all. I'm
Speaker 3: in a good place until today. Probably with the no
Speaker 3: I'm kidding, I don't know they're going to be leave
Speaker 3: a mark.
Speaker 2: But no, it's not okay.
Speaker 3: Because I've said that. I said it when I just
Speaker 3: did got when I got into it with Derinda. She
Speaker 3: came after me when we were filming Ultimate Girl's Trip,
Speaker 3: how I you know, brought cameras to the funeral and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. Came after me, and I literally
Speaker 3: got off from the table and said, I'm not coming
Speaker 3: back until someone tells me.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. I don't think anyone believed you,
Speaker 1: and I think they'll believe you after today. So it's
Speaker 1: probably good for you if you cared about anyone believing you.
Speaker 1: Don't I do care because you know why everybody said
Speaker 1: that I used Bobby.
Speaker 3: You know that I used his death to promote myself,
Speaker 3: which is couldn't be complete opposite, Bethany.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to want to memorialize it in the way
Speaker 1: they want it. Fine, Okay. I also think that people
Speaker 1: who didn't believe it, and I think they'll believe it.
Speaker 1: I really believe do you believe it? Don't matter if
Speaker 1: you believe it. I don't care about everyone else. I believe.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: I believe the story. I really believe the story. I
Speaker 1: really do. I want to get into Gary a little bit,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna. I want to know how we are
Speaker 1: in time. How how much time do you think we
Speaker 1: really have? So so we should go to an hour.
Speaker 2: It's nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Go to an hour. Okay, so we need fifteen more minutes.
Speaker 1: This is the fifty used the bat. Gary has to
Speaker 1: use the bathroom. I know this is live and Ana.
Speaker 1: We will not listen. The bathroom's here, but you want
Speaker 1: to go, it's right here. You'll be pining the bush out.
Speaker 1: Go in the bushes, Gary, go on the bushes to them. Wait,
Speaker 1: you're not paying in the bushes. We're on live and
Speaker 1: we're live and okay go on. Yes, by the way,
Speaker 1: do you know I can I tell people this what
Speaker 1: talk about Garret for two minutes because I know you
Speaker 1: want to get it out? No?
Speaker 3: No, I told Gary what you did, and now I
Speaker 3: do What did I do? Do you remember a story
Speaker 3: You told me that when you would go to the casino,
Speaker 3: you wanted to go so bad that you would literally
Speaker 3: like peeing a cup in the car.
Speaker 1: No, that was in the car. Oh yeah, hold out,
Speaker 1: I do that with Gary. All right, talk Gary, audience. Listen.
Speaker 1: We have to stop sooner. I have to hold on.
Speaker 1: I just wanna make sure to miss anything. I know
Speaker 1: that your business. We'll talk about your business in house
Speaker 1: West University. We're gonna promote your business completely. It's all
Speaker 1: you know about that respect you you present wanted I
Speaker 1: do this. The poster or the strike, we did that.
Speaker 1: What is take of the new show? We're doing that later.
Speaker 1: We're doing that later. We're doing that later. Rose and Thorne?
Speaker 1: Who cares Rushmore blah blah blah. What did your parents
Speaker 1: say for what which about doing today? Yes, listen, Gloria
Speaker 1: is as and as my sister would saying. My sister
Speaker 1: is the grud told her in the family for me,
Speaker 1: and I am for her. But Lisa is kept texting
Speaker 1: me today how to go, how to go? And I
Speaker 1: said it didn't happen yet.
Speaker 2: I think they not. I don't want to say nervous.
Speaker 1: But what's the word cautiously optimistic?
Speaker 2: Cautiously optimistic is a great.
Speaker 1: Word, Okay, cautiously optimistic?
Speaker 2: Do can we tell people like that?
Speaker 3: You can actually, at some point in life resolva relationship.
Speaker 1: I think that I want to get to me, that
Speaker 1: we're going to get into where do we go from?
Speaker 1: We're gonna I just wanted to make sure there wasn't
Speaker 1: something that I really wanted to ask, you know, because
Speaker 1: I gave it a lot. I wanted to ask about Gary.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about you were talking earlier about
Speaker 1: the other non Ezembic who cares, No one cares. Let's
Speaker 1: just talk about us so we can do that later.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So one of my if I had a trepidation and
Speaker 1: after the plane, but this is all the reason. There's
Speaker 1: a lot going through my mind while we're talking, as
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is for you. It was a trepidation
Speaker 1: that like now, because we did that, we have to
Speaker 1: be best friends and I to go to the gift
Speaker 1: bag party and I have to be like where and
Speaker 1: I and I but I but I, but I feel
Speaker 1: differently than I'm not saying I want to go to
Speaker 1: the gift bag party. I don't want to go to
Speaker 1: the gift bag party.
Speaker 2: But I don't take a person. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 2: take that person.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like because last time we were on
Speaker 1: the plane and then you're like, if you want to
Speaker 1: do this, and here's my party July twenty first, and.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, yeah, I think it was too much.
Speaker 1: It's just I watch so so how I feel that
Speaker 1: was the trepidation. But through today, I just do feel
Speaker 1: a different energy. I first of all, really just thank
Speaker 1: you for like for trusting me. And I wanted before
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm assuming that you came and it could
Speaker 1: have been partial trust, partial curiosity, partial that this is
Speaker 1: going to be good for you. It's going to get
Speaker 1: a lot of publicity for both of us. This is
Speaker 1: equally I'm.
Speaker 2: Not being everything you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's good for let's not be We're
Speaker 1: not both everything you said is true.
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you trust do you trust me?
Speaker 2: Always trusted you.
Speaker 1: I said to Paul, I think she trust me, and
Speaker 1: do you believe me?
Speaker 3: Trusted you then, trusted trust you now and do you
Speaker 3: believe me one hundred believe you?
Speaker 1: And you fully put yourselves in my hand, myself and
Speaker 1: my hands to say, without one question you just.
Speaker 3: I didn't question you. I didn't ask to talk to you.
Speaker 3: I didn't say she has to call and invite me herself.
Speaker 3: I did nothing that maybe I would have said fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago and in the and.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm saying this for myself too. We can sometimes
Speaker 1: be I madeenance and in the past people have said
Speaker 1: you wanted this, you wanted that we have right. You
Speaker 1: were the reputation that Jill has with the people that
Speaker 1: booked this, were like, she, Why I have the reputation
Speaker 1: that you have today with the people that booked this
Speaker 1: is that you were an absolute pleasure. You were so
Speaker 1: excited you didn't tell anybody you were happy, and like
Speaker 1: I wanted to rise to the occasion too. I wanted
Speaker 1: you to feel like a guest. I wanted you to
Speaker 1: feel important.
Speaker 3: By the way, thank you for the beautiful flowers. Thank
Speaker 3: you you were gorgeous.
Speaker 1: So I wanted you to feel safe and good and
Speaker 1: I want to resume a relationship like I want. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm happy seeing Paul City next to Gary, like I
Speaker 1: you know, I will say that there was a relative
Speaker 1: of my father's the other day that wanted to like connect,
Speaker 1: and they will bring up the temple and and like
Speaker 1: I get overwhelmed. I am an caged animal that has
Speaker 1: come from a very abusive life. So like I don't
Speaker 1: I want We're gonna be texting each other, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to like be in the housewives world. I
Speaker 1: don't want to know, Like I want to like go
Speaker 1: easy easy, go, like baby steps. But this is I
Speaker 1: say to Chris that you have walls. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of walls and a lot of like I
Speaker 1: have a hard exterior. But this is totally genuine as
Speaker 1: evolve and I want it like I want.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to push it, and I think I
Speaker 3: did push in the past. I'm not going to push you.
Speaker 1: Right, but I'm not fragile. And it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not we're on equal playing field. It's not like you're
Speaker 1: pushing me. I'm not gonna push it. Like this is
Speaker 1: like a very nice. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I smother. I definitely smothered.
Speaker 1: You do you want to want to make it right
Speaker 1: and fix it in two days with a bow and
Speaker 1: wrap it up run away?
Speaker 3: Because I have anxiety. You see that all comes from
Speaker 3: being anxious. Right, So now that I recognize it, I
Speaker 3: can I never put a word on it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, high five because I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: We did We didn't go to a suit, we didn't
Speaker 1: go to a conference room. We didn't wait for someone
Speaker 1: to beg us with scraps to do this. We did
Speaker 1: it for nothing, you know, and for nothing and we're
Speaker 1: here talking on our terms. Yes, And like I said,
Speaker 1: I if I called me and said we'll give you
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars for this, it would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the same, like I called them. And we the
Speaker 1: YouTube series. We haven't made a diamond. We will eventually
Speaker 1: we make. It's doing very well. No, I mean it's
Speaker 1: doing very well. But I'm saying I'm being transparent, like
Speaker 1: it would cost a million dollars to get me to
Speaker 1: do what I've done from Friday to today.
Speaker 2: And you can see.
Speaker 3: It like it's been by the way, like when I
Speaker 3: got here I mean there was like a gifting suite.
Speaker 2: I'm not a get what's the wrong?
Speaker 3: A green room, a green room with food and every
Speaker 3: It made me feel like so welcome. I didn't at first.
Speaker 3: I was like when he says that, well, you're gonna
Speaker 3: go in this house, I'm like, oh am, I not
Speaker 3: good enough to go in the main house. I thought
Speaker 3: I was coming in your kitchen to do a podcast.
Speaker 1: I know that's amazing. Well, how so what do you think.
Speaker 1: Did you feel ambush? Do you feel good?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I feel so good.
Speaker 3: I feel like you really really put a lot of
Speaker 3: detail in it, attention into this and love into this.
Speaker 1: Well, there was absolutely more than I expected. Well, no,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation because a we were
Speaker 1: I was like, and Paul was very respectful. He's like,
Speaker 1: does she know she's coming to film? I'm like no.
Speaker 1: And Chris Chris who's here, was like, she'll She'll be
Speaker 1: totally down for it. And if you were filming, I
Speaker 1: didn't know because we said video and audio. We said
Speaker 1: video YouTube, right, but no, it feels like you're on
Speaker 1: a television show here. Well, because it's good quality YouTube exactly,
Speaker 1: So I'm saying exactly but I wanted to do that professionally.
Speaker 1: I don't do anything halfway news, Paul, We're doing it,
Speaker 1: We're doing it. So it kept leg So then I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, my assistant's going to meet you at
Speaker 1: the car, and you're gonna take her. Because I've been
Speaker 1: on talk shows, I've been on talk show where the
Speaker 1: person doesn't even come say hello. I wouldn't have come
Speaker 1: to say hello to you if I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do, because I wanted to
Speaker 1: do this all fresh. I know that I wanted you.
Speaker 1: That's question the process, right. I wanted you to come in.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to be greeted. I wanted the food.
Speaker 1: We've obsessed with the food for two days. I've been
Speaker 1: talking about the food and the fucking sandwiches and the
Speaker 1: lobster rolls. I've been obsessing for two days. I renovated
Speaker 1: my bar to be a living space. Gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Don't change it bad.
Speaker 1: It has been a lunatic running around this house like
Speaker 1: a crazy person for three days. So and you're still engaged.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you you don't know which. We went to ocean, Tim.
Speaker 1: We had to take dives in the ocean right before
Speaker 1: the monsoonn you found He's amazing. That's like, what makes
Speaker 1: me happy is that you found you. That's say thank
Speaker 1: you to Paul. Without Paul, this would never have happened. Now,
Speaker 1: Pas would never have happened, by.
Speaker 3: The way, everybody, he's even better in person. He's good
Speaker 3: looking on you on Instagram, but he's better in person.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: He is self deprecating because he thinks he is a
Speaker 1: big nose weirdo.
Speaker 2: That's what he says.
Speaker 1: And he's hot and handsome, and he's his mother. I
Speaker 1: know his mother's amazing. Love you love his family, You
Speaker 1: love his father, Yes, his father's nice.
Speaker 2: Family.
Speaker 1: Have your family now, Yeah, they're amazing. You would love
Speaker 1: his mother because she's so elegant and nice. But his
Speaker 1: father is like a male broad like his father's like
Speaker 1: his father is abroad. So we're gonna get into all
Speaker 1: the housewise and talk about your business, and we'll get
Speaker 1: Gary because we got to talk about Gary. I love Gary.
Speaker 1: I liked Gary on the plane because Paul doesn't like
Speaker 1: a lot of people like he. He likes people be like.
Speaker 3: He likes who he likes.
Speaker 1: And I said, you like people who are authentic to
Speaker 1: who they are, and like this guy is funny, self deprecating,
Speaker 1: but I could tell he's authentic, like he's you know,
Speaker 1: imperfect and not everything's gonna be perfect, but like Paul
Speaker 1: likes authentic, so I was like, you're gonna like him.
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling it behind it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so I want to I'm glad you found your person.
Speaker 1: We are both different places. Ali is thirty Gary and
Speaker 1: you were married.
Speaker 3: I think that makes it different for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: You know, Ramona's got someone now and she said.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. We can't wait to we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that later.
Speaker 2: Oh that's just a different person.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm happy for her.
Speaker 2: And that was the difference.
Speaker 1: And when I heard about hell yeah, I was happy
Speaker 1: for her too. My first instinct was being happy for
Speaker 1: he and I've met the guy in my past, and
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, yeah, I seem like I'm so happy
Speaker 1: fun I'm happy for her.
Speaker 2: But that changes the women.
Speaker 3: When the women are happy in their own life, they
Speaker 3: don't have to be so bitter and angry about everything.
Speaker 3: That's fair, it's totally but but they don't need You
Speaker 3: don't need a person.
Speaker 1: You don't need a person. You just need to be
Speaker 1: settled and happy.
Speaker 3: You don't need a person. But if you want a
Speaker 3: person and don't have that, that's what makes you bitter
Speaker 3: and angry.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But Boss, he's here, Cookie and Ginger have
Speaker 1: passed away. Gary's here, Bobby has passed, Bobby and Dennis
Speaker 1: have have.
Speaker 3: Have left us.
Speaker 2: Dennis might still be here.
Speaker 1: Dennis might still be here through Gary because they look
Speaker 1: a lot by Bobby.
Speaker 2: Bobby Garry used to work in the same building that
Speaker 2: Tennis lives.
Speaker 1: I know they left a lot of extreme tan is
Speaker 1: in the Blue Wood and Paul is here. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of changes. It's many years later, so I'm really happy.
Speaker 1: I want to took you and hi guys much