WEBVTT - Nothing Good to Offer 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.280 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.560 me your girl Danielle Moody recording back again in the 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.040 Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. Coming up in the show today, Um, 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.040 we did a little switcheroo. Is my conversation with our 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.160 in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan and I, as 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.199 you all have known if you've been listening to okay 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.400 F for the last two years, in the pandemic, I 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.520 have been talking every single week, and every single week 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.240 we get on and we try and work through ideas 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.000 and solutions and you know, try and have some levity 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.839 on issues that are just becoming so heavy to carry. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.280 In the conversation this week, however, Jonathan and I have 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.920 nothing good to offer. I say that upfront. I almost 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.840 feel like I want to apologize because I'm exhausted, and 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.640 I know that you all are too. What we are 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:18.360 living through is not normal. It's not normal. It's not 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.600 normal to be living with this level of fear and 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:26.959 anxiety and frustration and the anger and disappointment and grief 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:33.360 on a daily basis. I had the great honor earlier 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.760 in the week to host the Miss Foundation for Women's Gala. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.160 The Future is feminist and it was the first gala 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.160 since the pandemic. And if you don't know about the 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:51.800 Missfoundation for Women, they are the largest philanthropic women led 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:57.280 organization in the country, founded one of the most famous 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.960 founding mothers being Glorious And I've been on the board 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.920 of the Miss Foundation for several years. And when I 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:14.120 opened up my speech, you know, I had a really 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.280 difficult task, which is people have come together to gather 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.919 for the first time, many people, this is their first 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.280 major event, and they're taking a risk. Right as we 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.480 are seeing COVID numbers back on the rise, as you've 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.959 seen now that the White House has begun once again 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.920 doing their COVID briefings that they had stopped doing for 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.920 the last six weeks, and I've once again started. And 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:42.079 so this comes on the heels after the leak draft 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.600 of the decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and open 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:52.799 up a whole other bag of cases that were never 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.760 meant to be understood by way of the founding fathers. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.160 And so I guess everything now into justice. Alito and 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.840 his Federalist Society buddies that everything is on the table. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.200 Everything that America has gained in terms of rights for 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.560 marginalized communities and communities that weren't even seen as human, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.680 like the black community. Everything is on the fucking table. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:23.560 And so at the gala, I had a difficult task 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:30.320 to both bring in a sense of optimism and hopefulness, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.320 which you all know I'm not great at, and then 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.720 also tell people the truth. And here's the thing that 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.920 I said. I you know, I recounted a tweet that 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.280 I read earlier in the week, you know, by a 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.080 journalist who said, you know, good morning, Twitter, what fresh 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.320 hell do you have for me today? That's literally how 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:58.240 I feel every morning. Nothing has gotten better. And so 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.520 I find myself some days where I am crying in 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.600 the middle of the day and I'm like, what is 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:10.720 going on? Because the stress that we are all carrying 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:17.920 and expected still to fucking work, to fucking live right, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.520 we are not safe anywhere. You heard in my conversation 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:29.880 with doctor Basilsmichael when he said, inside of this black skin, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.360 this black body, for the first time in my entire life, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.919 I do not feel safe in this country. And that 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.360 says a lot, knowing what this country has done historically 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.200 and in present day two black people. But I have 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.600 to echo what he said, for the first time in 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.120 my life as a black queer woman, child of immigrants 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.080 that lives inside of this black female body, I do 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:04.960 not feel safe. That begins to wear on you emotionally 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.680 and physically. What did I say to you all the 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.320 time on this show that if we don't find ways, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:20.000 healthy ways of creating ease, then what we set ourselves 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:26.359 up for is disease, right, disease? And I feel right 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:35.080 now so sick because I'm tired. I'm tired of having 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.000 the same conversations with really brilliant people who aren't the 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.400 ones that are actually in charge of getting shit done. No, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.560 that still falls in the hands of the Chuck Schumers 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.920 and the Nancy Pelosi's and the Joe Bidens of the 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.159 world that are eighty something year old, fucking white people 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.080 who have no idea what it is like to exist 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.120 in the reality that the rest of us are living 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.560 in because they have been, as I said earlier in 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.960 the week, institutionalized. These are people that have been a 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.599 part of the upper echelons of society and our politics 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.760 for their entire lives. They don't know what it's like 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.240 to go to the fucking grocery store. They don't know 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.599 what it's like to have a car not pick you 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.200 up because you are a person of color. They don't 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.640 know what it's going to be like to have to 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.920 figure out your patchwork of reproductive care. So they can 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.920 sit around and pray about it and wag their fingers 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.680 and think that they're actually doing something when they're not 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.799 doing dick. And then when you realize, when you realize 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.479 that the people that are actually responsible for ensuring your 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.120 safety and well being in this country are so completely 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.400 and totally fucking out of touch with the fascism that 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.880 is so steadily on the rise and have no strategy, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.920 no policies in which to combat it, except for Hakim 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.680 Jefferies to tweet earlier in the week that, oh, the 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.440 House is going to pass an anti white extremism bill. Great, 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.680 And my retweet was, and what is it going to 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.920 do in the fucking Senate? Not a goddamn thing. So 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.920 do not tweet to me and tweet out to the 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.640 world about what the House is doing if it's not 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.960 lock and step with the Senate, because what you are 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.560 doing is just moving the chairs around on the fucking Titanic. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.320 That's what I feel like. The House is doing. I 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.360 don't care how many bills Nancy Pelosi wants to say 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:42.600 that the House puts out. It doesn't mean anything. Action 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.040 means something. The President of the United States going a 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:52.600 buffalo to go mourn with a community that was tragically 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:58.640 hit by white domestic terrorism is not action. They can 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.880 go to their church for that. They're moss for that, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.280 they're synagogues for that. They don't need the President of 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.280 the United States to come for that. They need the 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.280 President of the United States to get up on his 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.480 bully pulpit and tell the fucking world that the Republican 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.880 Party is a white extremist, fucking cult and is dangerous 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.400 and if we do not hold on to power, we 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.760 are going the way of Hungry, going the way of Brazil, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.640 going the way of these countries that have had right 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.319 wing fascist leaders who believe in democracy, but the people's 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.280 votes no longer matter, and somehow the people that are 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.920 most marginalized just happen to disappear around the country, never 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.120 to be heard from again. You think that that type 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.840 of shit can't happen in the United States of America, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.280 you're not paying attention. And also you don't know anything 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:57.760 about history. It is so troubling to exist inside of 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:04.280 this weird bubble right now, where you have some people 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.640 that care so much and are absolutely paralyzed by fear. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.240 Then you have those that are in power that don't 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:16.760 care enough and are not really grasping the urgency of 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.800 the moment that we're living in. They're talking about elections, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.280 like this last election cycle isn't literally the last election cycle. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.679 You see all of these right wing people that won, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:38.240 particularly the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Pennsylvania, who was at 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.640 the insurrection, who believes in the big lie, and who 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.800 already said that Pennsylvania is a battleground state and he's 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.440 going to ensure it to be Republican. Well, how can 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.240 you ensure it to be Republican unless you were throwing 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.040 out people's fucking votes. But you see, he didn't want 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.200 to call foul on the results of the mid term election, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.400 the results of the primary. Just now he's waiting in. Oh, no, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.719 that election seemed to have been all good and fine 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.960 because he fucking won. But do you see Democrats using 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.600 these people's own words, Oh, you don't believe in elections, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.640 and the elections are clearly corrupt, But only corrupt when 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:21.920 you lose got it. I'm just tired. I'm just tired. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.600 That's it. I'm just I'm tired. And so you will 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.239 hear in the conversation that I have today with Jonathan. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.800 You know that he even says that the end you know, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:43.559 will be better, you know, next week, because we literally 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.360 just don't have it in us. And you know, there 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:56.960 are days, and I apologize, there are days when I 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:02.360 have the energy and the fight to go all day, 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.600 and then there are days like today when I am 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.280 struggling to make it through the recording of this show 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.880 without bursting into tears because I do not have solutions, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.840 and that is what is killing me, that I don't 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.760 have solutions to offer you all. All I have to 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.640 say is that some days are harder than others, and 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.400 on those days we give ourselves and each other the 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.679 grace that we need to be able to re energize, 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:46.320 recharge and head back out. 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Folks, you know that when it is Wednesday, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.720 we have the good fortune of being joined by our 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.560 friend in house, doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of the 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:58.640 book Dying of Whiteness. Jonathan, this is the start to 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:04.680 another crazy in America where we're all living on edge. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.480 And why are we living on edge? Because we have 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:16.200 a political party that is morphed into a fascist, white 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:21.600 supremacist breeding ground and is so entwined and invested in 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:28.200 death that people can't go to the grocery store, can't 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.720 walk down the street, can't go to a movie theater, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.120 can't shop, can't live right in this supposed land of 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:41.560 the Three. I watched yesterday as a CNN reporter who 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.520 is on the ground in Buffalo black Man, I can't 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.920 remember his name at this time, and he's a reporter, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:54.080 so he's supposed to be neutral. He started crying because 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.920 he said, I don't know how we are supposed to 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.600 live like this. How many more times I'm gonna have 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.200 to sit with families? How many more times the Democrats 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.520 are going to say it's about guns, Republicans are going 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.400 to say it's about mental health. And he said, and 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:11.040 you know what, nothing is going to happen. Where do 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.760 we go, Jonathan, Like, what do you make of this 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:21.480 frightening place that we are in. It's a terrifying moment, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.800 just to be honest, I mean, it's funny, but I 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.280 had a very similar reaction myself, both because of just 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.640 the violence of daily life. I mean, the fact that 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.680 there's so much fear about just living right. I mean 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.080 when people can't go to the supermarket, or can't go 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.720 to church, or can't whatever without looking over their shoulder. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:48.240 And the version of the reality is for people who 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.040 I mean, I know a lot of people on the 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.640 very very pro gun side of this, and their answer 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.800 is always, well, people should carry a gun, and therefore 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.600 they would have the right to protect themselves. But like, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.000 I don't know I don't think, what's the world going 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.720 to look like if everybody can carry again, like when 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.800 when you go jogging, or when you go to the supermarket, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.480 or every time you go to worship. It's just a 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.040 it's a it's a very depressing world to think that 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.600 we're on guard for violence all the time. And and so, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.880 but and so I guess, I guess when I have 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.640 to think constructively, I mean, let me just talk about 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.600 Groundhog Day for a second. I went back to interview 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.480 questions because I've been doing interviews pretty much night and 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:39.720 day since since the shooting, and and and I try 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.400 to give every interview my best shot, right, like, here's 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.000 where we can go. But I look back at the 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.720 interviews I did after Sandy Hook and after El Paso, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.200 just for the heck of it, and I'm getting asked 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.360 like the exact same questions I was getting asked ten 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.480 years ago. Um Like, it's the sense of like repetition 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.840 as things keep getting worse is so deep, it's so profound. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.959 And so I guess the most important point I think 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.920 people should take away from what's happening right now is 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.960 that the reason nothing's happening is because of elections. Which 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.240 lead to people put in power who then seek judges 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.919 who then don't do anything except for make this happen. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.120 And so the answer at this moment, I mean, maybe 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.560 that won't be an option going forward, but it really is. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.360 If you're in Pennsylvania, you should be spending even eight 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.400 hours waiting in line to vote, if you are in wherever, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.720 wherever's voting right now, because so much of this issue 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.600 of violence and particularly about gun policy is set by judges. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.240 And the reason we're in this hole, I mean there's 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.520 a lot of reasons, right you know, we Merrick Garland 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.959 blocking and RBG dying two weeks too soon and all 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:57.199 these kind of factors, but ultimately it's a question of 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.679 the judiciary. And so if we want things to change, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.480 we actually have to win elections and see judges and 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.320 overturn some of this stuff. And to me, that's like, 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.919 honestly the only answer. And so I don't I don't know, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.240 I don't know where we go from here except to say, like, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.880 this thing is such a literalizing of everything we've been 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:22.000 going through. I mean, we started with Sandy Hook in 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.760 this space and said how can we when I mean 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.760 just there's no mystery. Right now, we have one hundred 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.800 eighty page manifesto laying out for us what the stakes 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.040 are and so but you know, here's the thing to 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:39.520 me too, about the conversations that are being had, because 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.800 once again, you know, I understand news, right, I do news, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.600 and I see these reporters, you know, putting together these 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.160 segments that are talking about gun violence as a whole, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.719 that are talking about how many shootings took place, you know, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.320 over last weekend. And I'm saying to myself, to me, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.919 that's not the conversation, and that's just me as a 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:10.760 black person that is now becoming increasingly fearful of my 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:17.640 movements right, increasingly concerned about if I'm in New York, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.840 I'm taking the subway, people are being pushed off of 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.640 subway platforms and beaten and stabbed and robbed. Right. This 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:31.160 is not the same thing as a white terrorist driving 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:36.199 two hundred miles doing reconnaissance on a black neighborhood for 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.840 a day and a half before opening fire and shooting 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.560 an eighty six year old black woman in the fucking head. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.840 Like there is a difference between what happened in Buffalo 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.320 at Tops Grocery and what happens on a regular basis 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.880 in this gun happy culture that we live in. And 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.200 so why do you think that there is a consistent 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:04.000 melding that happens because barring one hundred and eighty page manifesto, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.639 which pretty much reads like any segment on Fox News, 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.800 any like any of the candidates, Republican candidates that are 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.440 running for office, they say the same goddamn thing. So 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.640 if the Republican Party wants to come out and talk 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.880 about mental health, then what they are saying is that 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:24.160 they are all unfucking well right, because this is not 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.080 fringe the ideas that were in this manifesto. It's birthrates, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.160 it's replacement theory, it's you know, women belong in this place, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.440 Black people are replacing us. It is all of these 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.320 things that is a steady diet of this party. And 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.160 so why do you think, then, when everything is laid 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.800 out very clear that this the danger here is white 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.720 extremism and it's unabated rise in this country, and then 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.640 coupling that with toxic masculinity and our gun culture, why 0:20:54.720 --> 0:21:00.760 aren't we having that conversation? You know, the issue with it? 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.399 I agree completely. I mean, anti black hate crimes are 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:12.960 rising we've seen rise of even justifiable quote unquote, I mean, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.159 let's think about the cal Rittenhouse trial for example, and 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.520 things like that. Like the idea of basically the idea 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.439 of this kind of militancy is it's I mean, in 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:31.080 this case, obviously it's mass murder, but yeah, I don't know, 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.080 it's it's really Danielle, where do we go from the 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.920 conversation right what happens next? What are your alternatives right now? 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.840 And so? Does this mean that we all need to 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.679 run out and buy guns that would be great for 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.960 the gun manufacturers. Does it mean that we should try 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.879 to take back over the judiciaries, that mean we should 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.600 stop showing up and participating, Like I guess the question 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.360 for me is like when it's so gratuitous, I mean, 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.240 it's so it's so gratuitous, it's so obvious, it's so clear, 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.439 and right wing media is working overtime to turn this 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.840 into a white victim narrative, neighbor narrative, which Tucker Carlson 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.080 is now doing, saying they're coming for our guns and 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.720 you can't express yourself and all this kind of stuff, 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:13.879 you know, so you can express so his idea of 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.920 expressing yourself is through murder. You want to he wanted 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.600 Peyton to be able to express himself through through murder 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.679 like that. And again, like I say that flippantly because 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:28.240 I'm so fucking tired of mainstream media not saying the 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:32.400 truth right Like I'm I said this yesterday, I say 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.959 it all the time. Tucker Carlson and Fox News are 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.959 a threat to national security. If you don't get that, 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.760 then you are not paying attention to what these violent 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.480 people are writing, are saying, are posting in chat rooms, 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.840 are creating manifestos around like they're getting this from one 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:55.359 from one place. I guess the important thing to know 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.440 is that it's a great time to be them right 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:02.720 in other words, like even with stuff like this, like 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:07.320 they're seizing power at every level possible. I mean, and 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:12.720 so in a way, I don't know, there's just imagine 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.320 the other side has no shame about this, you know. 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:16.840 That's kind of I think about it like it's it's 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.800 in a way, it's a it's a model of power, 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.800 and so what's our response to a model of power? 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.800 We talked about this a couple of months ago. Um, 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:29.040 and uh, I don't know, it's it's just like it's 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.720 literally a takeover, an invasion, and so what what's what's 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.359 the response at this at this moment? And so I 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.280 don't know, it's you can hear the purtation in my 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.520 voice right now, um, because I still want to believe 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:46.679 that we can overturn this in through legal, peaceful means 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.240 in terms of elections and things like that. But it's 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:54.720 just when when there's not a coming together um or 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.480 something like this where it's so obvious, it's kind of like, 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:01.800 what what do you do next? And so yeah, it's 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.320 a it's a hard moment. It's a hard moment. But 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.080 you know, my problem too is that we can we 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.439 continue to have hard moments. I don't know when the 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.240 last time we had when we had an easy moment 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:18.960 was right like okay, So it's like it's been one 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.160 hard moment after one hard moment, one shooting after one shooting, 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.399 one police killing after one police killing. Um. You know, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.480 they have the audacity on the right to refer to 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.600 anybody that believes in LGBTQ equality as a groomer or 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.439 a pedophile. And I said yesterday, why do we not 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.560 talk about the Republican Party as groomors for white supremacs. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:45.359 They are literally creating fertile ground for the birth of 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:50.719 Kyle rittenhouses and Peyton gendrons and all a Dylan roofs like, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.640 they are creating the fertile ground for that. So how 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.760 do we not say you are grooming white supremas, You 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:03.280 are grooming violent domestic terrorists right like? And again it's 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.679 Democrats that also have us here? Am I wrong? Because 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.320 it isn't just saying to the people you need to vote, 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.600 because we do vote, we vote at historic levels. But 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.239 Democrats betray us every single time? Am i? Am? I? 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.240 Am I wrong? Here? Is it just Republicans that have 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.640 been blocking our ability to live free and safe? No? No, no, 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:31.960 you're not wrong. I mean them. Yeah, I don't know. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:33.760 Tell me what to do and I'll do it, and 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.080 you tell me where we go from here? Like, what's 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:37.920 the answer for where where do we go from here? 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:45.879 I mean? The honest thing for me is that I 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:52.880 don't see a lawful voting path to get this country 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:57.440 back on track. I do not that only a lawful 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:03.720 voting path requires two political parties to adhere to the 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:09.680 same set of rules and laws. That's how functional societies work. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.000 When you have one of the two political parties that 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.560 no longer adhere to the constitution, that no longer adhere 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.439 to the rule of law, or appointing judges so that 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:24.560 they can drastically reshape and reimagine what law, what is 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.080 lawful in this country, which is the subjugation of marginalized 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.520 communities and forcing them to live in a state of apartheid. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:40.200 Jim Crow, you fascist regime. I don't see an easy, viable, 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.639 lawful path here. And I say that, and let me 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.000 tell you something. I have yet to be wrong. And 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:49.160 I'm not patting myself on the back because I wish 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.600 that America would prove me wrong. I wish that I 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.320 would be wrong about the fact that after Newtown, I 0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.280 said that if you're not going to do anything for 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.320 a classroom of first graders that were mowed down with 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.400