1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody recording back again in the 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. Coming up in the show today, Um, 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: we did a little switcheroo. Is my conversation with our 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan and I, as 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: you all have known if you've been listening to okay 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: F for the last two years, in the pandemic, I 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: have been talking every single week, and every single week 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: we get on and we try and work through ideas 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: and solutions and you know, try and have some levity 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: on issues that are just becoming so heavy to carry. 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: In the conversation this week, however, Jonathan and I have 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: nothing good to offer. I say that upfront. I almost 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: feel like I want to apologize because I'm exhausted, and 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: I know that you all are too. What we are 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: living through is not normal. It's not normal. It's not 17 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: normal to be living with this level of fear and 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: anxiety and frustration and the anger and disappointment and grief 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. I had the great honor earlier 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: in the week to host the Miss Foundation for Women's Gala. 21 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: The Future is feminist and it was the first gala 22 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: since the pandemic. And if you don't know about the 23 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Missfoundation for Women, they are the largest philanthropic women led 24 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: organization in the country, founded one of the most famous 25 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: founding mothers being Glorious And I've been on the board 26 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: of the Miss Foundation for several years. And when I 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: opened up my speech, you know, I had a really 28 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: difficult task, which is people have come together to gather 29 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: for the first time, many people, this is their first 30 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: major event, and they're taking a risk. Right as we 31 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: are seeing COVID numbers back on the rise, as you've 32 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: seen now that the White House has begun once again 33 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: doing their COVID briefings that they had stopped doing for 34 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: the last six weeks, and I've once again started. And 35 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: so this comes on the heels after the leak draft 36 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: of the decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and open 37 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: up a whole other bag of cases that were never 38 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: meant to be understood by way of the founding fathers. 39 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: And so I guess everything now into justice. Alito and 40 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: his Federalist Society buddies that everything is on the table. 41 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Everything that America has gained in terms of rights for 42 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: marginalized communities and communities that weren't even seen as human, 43 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: like the black community. Everything is on the fucking table. 44 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: And so at the gala, I had a difficult task 45 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: to both bring in a sense of optimism and hopefulness, 46 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: which you all know I'm not great at, and then 47 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: also tell people the truth. And here's the thing that 48 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I said. I you know, I recounted a tweet that 49 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: I read earlier in the week, you know, by a 50 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: journalist who said, you know, good morning, Twitter, what fresh 51 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: hell do you have for me today? That's literally how 52 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: I feel every morning. Nothing has gotten better. And so 53 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: I find myself some days where I am crying in 54 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: the middle of the day and I'm like, what is 55 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: going on? Because the stress that we are all carrying 56 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: and expected still to fucking work, to fucking live right, 57 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: we are not safe anywhere. You heard in my conversation 58 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: with doctor Basilsmichael when he said, inside of this black skin, 59 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: this black body, for the first time in my entire life, 60 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: I do not feel safe in this country. And that 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: says a lot, knowing what this country has done historically 62 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: and in present day two black people. But I have 63 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: to echo what he said, for the first time in 64 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: my life as a black queer woman, child of immigrants 65 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: that lives inside of this black female body, I do 66 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: not feel safe. That begins to wear on you emotionally 67 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: and physically. What did I say to you all the 68 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: time on this show that if we don't find ways, 69 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: healthy ways of creating ease, then what we set ourselves 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: up for is disease, right, disease? And I feel right 71 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: now so sick because I'm tired. I'm tired of having 72 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: the same conversations with really brilliant people who aren't the 73 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: ones that are actually in charge of getting shit done. No, 74 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: that still falls in the hands of the Chuck Schumers 75 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: and the Nancy Pelosi's and the Joe Bidens of the 76 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: world that are eighty something year old, fucking white people 77 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: who have no idea what it is like to exist 78 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: in the reality that the rest of us are living 79 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: in because they have been, as I said earlier in 80 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: the week, institutionalized. These are people that have been a 81 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: part of the upper echelons of society and our politics 82 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: for their entire lives. They don't know what it's like 83 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: to go to the fucking grocery store. They don't know 84 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: what it's like to have a car not pick you 85 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: up because you are a person of color. They don't 86 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: know what it's going to be like to have to 87 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: figure out your patchwork of reproductive care. So they can 88 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: sit around and pray about it and wag their fingers 89 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: and think that they're actually doing something when they're not 90 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: doing dick. And then when you realize, when you realize 91 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: that the people that are actually responsible for ensuring your 92 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: safety and well being in this country are so completely 93 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and totally fucking out of touch with the fascism that 94 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: is so steadily on the rise and have no strategy, 95 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: no policies in which to combat it, except for Hakim 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Jefferies to tweet earlier in the week that, oh, the 97 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: House is going to pass an anti white extremism bill. Great, 98 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: And my retweet was, and what is it going to 99 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: do in the fucking Senate? Not a goddamn thing. So 100 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: do not tweet to me and tweet out to the 101 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: world about what the House is doing if it's not 102 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: lock and step with the Senate, because what you are 103 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: doing is just moving the chairs around on the fucking Titanic. 104 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. The House is doing. I 105 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: don't care how many bills Nancy Pelosi wants to say 106 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: that the House puts out. It doesn't mean anything. Action 107 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: means something. The President of the United States going a 108 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: buffalo to go mourn with a community that was tragically 109 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: hit by white domestic terrorism is not action. They can 110 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: go to their church for that. They're moss for that, 111 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: they're synagogues for that. They don't need the President of 112 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: the United States to come for that. They need the 113 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: President of the United States to get up on his 114 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: bully pulpit and tell the fucking world that the Republican 115 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Party is a white extremist, fucking cult and is dangerous 116 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: and if we do not hold on to power, we 117 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: are going the way of Hungry, going the way of Brazil, 118 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: going the way of these countries that have had right 119 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: wing fascist leaders who believe in democracy, but the people's 120 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: votes no longer matter, and somehow the people that are 121 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: most marginalized just happen to disappear around the country, never 122 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: to be heard from again. You think that that type 123 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: of shit can't happen in the United States of America, 124 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. And also you don't know anything 125 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: about history. It is so troubling to exist inside of 126 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: this weird bubble right now, where you have some people 127 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: that care so much and are absolutely paralyzed by fear. 128 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: Then you have those that are in power that don't 129 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: care enough and are not really grasping the urgency of 130 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the moment that we're living in. They're talking about elections, 131 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: like this last election cycle isn't literally the last election cycle. 132 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: You see all of these right wing people that won, 133 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: particularly the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Pennsylvania, who was at 134 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the insurrection, who believes in the big lie, and who 135 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: already said that Pennsylvania is a battleground state and he's 136 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: going to ensure it to be Republican. Well, how can 137 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: you ensure it to be Republican unless you were throwing 138 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: out people's fucking votes. But you see, he didn't want 139 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: to call foul on the results of the mid term election, 140 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: the results of the primary. Just now he's waiting in. Oh, no, 141 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: that election seemed to have been all good and fine 142 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: because he fucking won. But do you see Democrats using 143 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: these people's own words, Oh, you don't believe in elections, 144 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and the elections are clearly corrupt, But only corrupt when 145 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: you lose got it. I'm just tired. I'm just tired. 146 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: That's it. I'm just I'm tired. And so you will 147 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,239 Speaker 1: hear in the conversation that I have today with Jonathan. 148 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: You know that he even says that the end you know, 149 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: will be better, you know, next week, because we literally 150 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: just don't have it in us. And you know, there 151 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: are days, and I apologize, there are days when I 152 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: have the energy and the fight to go all day, 153 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: and then there are days like today when I am 154 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: struggling to make it through the recording of this show 155 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: without bursting into tears because I do not have solutions, 156 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: and that is what is killing me, that I don't 157 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: have solutions to offer you all. All I have to 158 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: say is that some days are harder than others, and 159 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: on those days we give ourselves and each other the 160 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: grace that we need to be able to re energize, 161 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: recharge and head back out. And so today I'm asking 162 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: for you all as I did not do Woke Wednesday yesterday, 163 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: because I'm just out of steam. I'm out of steam 164 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: this week, and so I just asked for your grace 165 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: and understanding. We will get through this. I will get 166 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: through this. We will get through this together. Coming up next, 167 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. 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Folks, you know that when it is Wednesday, 194 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: we have the good fortune of being joined by our 195 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: friend in house, doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of the 196 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: book Dying of Whiteness. Jonathan, this is the start to 197 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: another crazy in America where we're all living on edge. 198 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: And why are we living on edge? Because we have 199 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: a political party that is morphed into a fascist, white 200 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: supremacist breeding ground and is so entwined and invested in 201 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: death that people can't go to the grocery store, can't 202 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: walk down the street, can't go to a movie theater, 203 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: can't shop, can't live right in this supposed land of 204 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: the Three. I watched yesterday as a CNN reporter who 205 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: is on the ground in Buffalo black Man, I can't 206 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: remember his name at this time, and he's a reporter, 207 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: so he's supposed to be neutral. He started crying because 208 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: he said, I don't know how we are supposed to 209 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: live like this. How many more times I'm gonna have 210 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: to sit with families? How many more times the Democrats 211 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: are going to say it's about guns, Republicans are going 212 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: to say it's about mental health. And he said, and 213 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: you know what, nothing is going to happen. Where do 214 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: we go, Jonathan, Like, what do you make of this 215 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: frightening place that we are in. It's a terrifying moment, 216 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: just to be honest, I mean, it's funny, but I 217 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: had a very similar reaction myself, both because of just 218 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the violence of daily life. I mean, the fact that 219 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: there's so much fear about just living right. I mean 220 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: when people can't go to the supermarket, or can't go 221 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: to church, or can't whatever without looking over their shoulder. 222 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: And the version of the reality is for people who 223 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of people on the 224 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: very very pro gun side of this, and their answer 225 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: is always, well, people should carry a gun, and therefore 226 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: they would have the right to protect themselves. But like, 227 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know I don't think, what's the world going 228 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: to look like if everybody can carry again, like when 229 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: when you go jogging, or when you go to the supermarket, 230 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: or every time you go to worship. It's just a 231 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a very depressing world to think that 232 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: we're on guard for violence all the time. And and so, 233 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: but and so I guess, I guess when I have 234 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to think constructively, I mean, let me just talk about 235 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Groundhog Day for a second. I went back to interview 236 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: questions because I've been doing interviews pretty much night and 237 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: day since since the shooting, and and and I try 238 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: to give every interview my best shot, right, like, here's 239 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: where we can go. But I look back at the 240 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: interviews I did after Sandy Hook and after El Paso, 241 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: just for the heck of it, and I'm getting asked 242 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: like the exact same questions I was getting asked ten 243 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: years ago. Um Like, it's the sense of like repetition 244 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: as things keep getting worse is so deep, it's so profound. 245 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: And so I guess the most important point I think 246 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: people should take away from what's happening right now is 247 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: that the reason nothing's happening is because of elections. Which 248 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: lead to people put in power who then seek judges 249 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: who then don't do anything except for make this happen. 250 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: And so the answer at this moment, I mean, maybe 251 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: that won't be an option going forward, but it really is. 252 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: If you're in Pennsylvania, you should be spending even eight 253 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: hours waiting in line to vote, if you are in wherever, 254 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: wherever's voting right now, because so much of this issue 255 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: of violence and particularly about gun policy is set by judges. 256 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: And the reason we're in this hole, I mean there's 257 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, right you know, we Merrick Garland 258 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: blocking and RBG dying two weeks too soon and all 259 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: these kind of factors, but ultimately it's a question of 260 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: the judiciary. And so if we want things to change, 261 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: we actually have to win elections and see judges and 262 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: overturn some of this stuff. And to me, that's like, 263 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: honestly the only answer. And so I don't I don't know, 264 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know where we go from here except to say, like, 265 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: this thing is such a literalizing of everything we've been 266 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: going through. I mean, we started with Sandy Hook in 267 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: this space and said how can we when I mean 268 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: just there's no mystery. Right now, we have one hundred 269 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: eighty page manifesto laying out for us what the stakes 270 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: are and so but you know, here's the thing to 271 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: me too, about the conversations that are being had, because 272 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: once again, you know, I understand news, right, I do news, 273 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: and I see these reporters, you know, putting together these 274 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: segments that are talking about gun violence as a whole, 275 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: that are talking about how many shootings took place, you know, 276 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: over last weekend. And I'm saying to myself, to me, 277 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: that's not the conversation, and that's just me as a 278 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: black person that is now becoming increasingly fearful of my 279 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: movements right, increasingly concerned about if I'm in New York, 280 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm taking the subway, people are being pushed off of 281 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: subway platforms and beaten and stabbed and robbed. Right. This 282 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as a white terrorist driving 283 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: two hundred miles doing reconnaissance on a black neighborhood for 284 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: a day and a half before opening fire and shooting 285 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: an eighty six year old black woman in the fucking head. 286 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Like there is a difference between what happened in Buffalo 287 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: at Tops Grocery and what happens on a regular basis 288 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: in this gun happy culture that we live in. And 289 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: so why do you think that there is a consistent 290 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: melding that happens because barring one hundred and eighty page manifesto, 291 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: which pretty much reads like any segment on Fox News, 292 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: any like any of the candidates, Republican candidates that are 293 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: running for office, they say the same goddamn thing. So 294 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: if the Republican Party wants to come out and talk 295 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: about mental health, then what they are saying is that 296 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: they are all unfucking well right, because this is not 297 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: fringe the ideas that were in this manifesto. It's birthrates, 298 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: it's replacement theory, it's you know, women belong in this place, 299 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Black people are replacing us. It is all of these 300 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: things that is a steady diet of this party. And 301 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: so why do you think, then, when everything is laid 302 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: out very clear that this the danger here is white 303 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: extremism and it's unabated rise in this country, and then 304 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: coupling that with toxic masculinity and our gun culture, why 305 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: aren't we having that conversation? You know, the issue with it? 306 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: I agree completely. I mean, anti black hate crimes are 307 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: rising we've seen rise of even justifiable quote unquote, I mean, 308 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: let's think about the cal Rittenhouse trial for example, and 309 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: things like that. Like the idea of basically the idea 310 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: of this kind of militancy is it's I mean, in 311 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: this case, obviously it's mass murder, but yeah, I don't know, 312 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: it's it's really Danielle, where do we go from the 313 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: conversation right what happens next? What are your alternatives right now? 314 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: And so? Does this mean that we all need to 315 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: run out and buy guns that would be great for 316 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: the gun manufacturers. Does it mean that we should try 317 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: to take back over the judiciaries, that mean we should 318 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: stop showing up and participating, Like I guess the question 319 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: for me is like when it's so gratuitous, I mean, 320 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: it's so it's so gratuitous, it's so obvious, it's so clear, 321 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: and right wing media is working overtime to turn this 322 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: into a white victim narrative, neighbor narrative, which Tucker Carlson 323 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: is now doing, saying they're coming for our guns and 324 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: you can't express yourself and all this kind of stuff, 325 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: you know, so you can express so his idea of 326 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: expressing yourself is through murder. You want to he wanted 327 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Peyton to be able to express himself through through murder 328 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: like that. And again, like I say that flippantly because 329 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm so fucking tired of mainstream media not saying the 330 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: truth right Like I'm I said this yesterday, I say 331 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: it all the time. Tucker Carlson and Fox News are 332 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: a threat to national security. If you don't get that, 333 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: then you are not paying attention to what these violent 334 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: people are writing, are saying, are posting in chat rooms, 335 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: are creating manifestos around like they're getting this from one 336 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: from one place. I guess the important thing to know 337 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: is that it's a great time to be them right 338 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: in other words, like even with stuff like this, like 339 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: they're seizing power at every level possible. I mean, and 340 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: so in a way, I don't know, there's just imagine 341 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: the other side has no shame about this, you know. 342 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: That's kind of I think about it like it's it's 343 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: in a way, it's a it's a model of power, 344 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: and so what's our response to a model of power? 345 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: We talked about this a couple of months ago. Um, 346 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know, it's it's just like it's 347 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: literally a takeover, an invasion, and so what what's what's 348 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: the response at this at this moment? And so I 349 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: don't know, it's you can hear the purtation in my 350 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: voice right now, um, because I still want to believe 351 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: that we can overturn this in through legal, peaceful means 352 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: in terms of elections and things like that. But it's 353 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: just when when there's not a coming together um or 354 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: something like this where it's so obvious, it's kind of like, 355 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: what what do you do next? And so yeah, it's 356 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: a it's a hard moment. It's a hard moment. But 357 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, my problem too is that we can we 358 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: continue to have hard moments. I don't know when the 359 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: last time we had when we had an easy moment 360 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: was right like okay, So it's like it's been one 361 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: hard moment after one hard moment, one shooting after one shooting, 362 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: one police killing after one police killing. Um. You know, 363 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: they have the audacity on the right to refer to 364 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: anybody that believes in LGBTQ equality as a groomer or 365 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: a pedophile. And I said yesterday, why do we not 366 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: talk about the Republican Party as groomors for white supremacs. 367 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: They are literally creating fertile ground for the birth of 368 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: Kyle rittenhouses and Peyton gendrons and all a Dylan roofs like, 369 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: they are creating the fertile ground for that. So how 370 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: do we not say you are grooming white supremas, You 371 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: are grooming violent domestic terrorists right like? And again it's 372 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: Democrats that also have us here? Am I wrong? Because 373 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: it isn't just saying to the people you need to vote, 374 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: because we do vote, we vote at historic levels. But 375 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: Democrats betray us every single time? Am i? Am? I? 376 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Here? Is it just Republicans that have 377 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: been blocking our ability to live free and safe? No? No, no, 378 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: you're not wrong. I mean them. Yeah, I don't know. 379 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: Tell me what to do and I'll do it, and 380 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: you tell me where we go from here? Like, what's 381 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: the answer for where where do we go from here? 382 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: I mean? The honest thing for me is that I 383 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: don't see a lawful voting path to get this country 384 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: back on track. I do not that only a lawful 385 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: voting path requires two political parties to adhere to the 386 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: same set of rules and laws. That's how functional societies work. 387 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: When you have one of the two political parties that 388 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: no longer adhere to the constitution, that no longer adhere 389 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: to the rule of law, or appointing judges so that 390 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: they can drastically reshape and reimagine what law, what is 391 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: lawful in this country, which is the subjugation of marginalized 392 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: communities and forcing them to live in a state of apartheid. 393 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: Jim Crow, you fascist regime. I don't see an easy, viable, 394 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: lawful path here. And I say that, and let me 395 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: tell you something. I have yet to be wrong. And 396 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm not patting myself on the back because I wish 397 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: that America would prove me wrong. I wish that I 398 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: would be wrong about the fact that after Newtown, I 399 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: said that if you're not going to do anything for 400 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: a classroom of first graders that were mowed down with 401 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: an assault, ifel and you can't come up with legislation, 402 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: then then no one else matters. Because if a group 403 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: of white children in an affluent, fucking area get gunned 404 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: down in their classroom while coloring, and you do nothing 405 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: as government officials, then no one else matters. So I 406 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, where do we go? Where do we go 407 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: from here? I'm worried. I'm really really worried and fearful 408 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: because I do believe that people are going to begin 409 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: to arm up. Those of us who did not believe 410 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: in guns, who did not want those you know, automations 411 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: of death and violence in our homes, are going to 412 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: feel like we have no choice. Yeah, I mean in 413 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: that space, there are I mean, not in any way 414 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: to get away from this story. I mean, after we talk. 415 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: As I was saying before, I have seventeen more interviews 416 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: about the shooting. It's it's just on feedback loop in 417 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: a certain kind of way, trying to get the word 418 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: out in a particular way today and tomorrow and Friday. 419 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: But I would also say that there are a couple 420 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: of big stories that I think people should be following 421 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: in relation to this that are not in any way 422 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: moving away from the story of Buffalo, which I think 423 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: we need to hold on to. But as we've talked 424 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: about here, the Supreme Court is risking overturning New York's 425 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: gun laws. That ruling is going to come down pretty 426 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: soon here, I think. And so there's a Supreme Court 427 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: ruling that is going to lead to many more guns 428 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: coming to a place like New York. And so the 429 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision is going to just enable this to 430 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: happen more, I think. And so partially there's the Supreme 431 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: Court ruling that's going to overturn the modern gun control movement, 432 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: I think. And then something big also happened yesterday. I 433 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this, but the New York 434 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: New York redivided the congressional maps across New York State 435 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: to make all the districts much more competitive. In other words, 436 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: while red states or jeremandering and getting squeezing out as 437 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: many House seats as they possibly can, the New York 438 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: State is basically making like Kim Jeffreies, for example, his 439 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: seat is not going to be safe anymore. And some 440 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: of the big leaders and stuff like that. And so 441 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, the whole system just feels tilted against 442 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: Democrats and against any of these issues right now. And 443 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: so I agree with you. I don't know voting is 444 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: the issue, but I don't I don't know what else happens. 445 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a bad time. It's a 446 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: really bad time. It's a really bad time. And I just, 447 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, I guess that I have reached a new 448 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: level that I didn't even think that I could have, 449 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: of frustration, of disgust, and frankly, again, I'm not surprised 450 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: at Republicans. We've all known who these people are. We 451 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: have known they have told us, you know, how they 452 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: are moving, what they believe in, what their vision is, 453 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: and they are actualizing it one election, one local election 454 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: at a time. And again Democrats are looking around like, 455 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna lose Row, having had no 456 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: plan for the thing that your political opponents have been 457 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: using as a battering ram for fifty years. Right Like, 458 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: So again I can't just look at Republicans because I 459 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: don't expect them to be better than they are. I 460 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: don't expect them to come to the table and give 461 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: a shit about the people of this country who are 462 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: not white insists and headero and Christian. I do not 463 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: believe that they could give a damn right. So it's like, 464 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: if you know that, then what is the opposition doing? 465 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: And also, you know, as we've been talking about, and 466 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: we'll be back on our a game next week. I mean, 467 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we're both so desponded right now. M 468 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: But but I feel like, what's our theory of power, right. 469 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we're marching, we're protesting, But what's our theory 470 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: of power? I don't know. I feel like that so 471 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: much goes back to that, like what is our? What 472 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: is our? Like the Republicans suck, but they have a 473 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: theory of power. That's how they got here, or it's 474 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: a fifty year plan, like I don't know. Protest is 475 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: not a theory of power. It's a theory of protests. 476 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: And so I don't know. There's anger about this, there's 477 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: anger about abortion, there's anger about these things. But what's 478 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: the strategy of using that anger to take power in 479 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: a zero sum political system? And I honestly don't know 480 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: the answer to that. That's kind of what my frustration is, 481 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: what's what's the bigger strategy? I don't And I think 482 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because you and I talked about 483 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: it months ago, Like what's the strategy beyond just voicing dissent? 484 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: And don't I don't know what it is. I honestly 485 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but that you know, we 486 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: will leave it here today. But that's where I'd like 487 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: to pick up next week is thinking about what is 488 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: the theory of power? Right? Because marching, protesting, wagging fingers, 489 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: it is not it right. That is that that is momentary. 490 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: And as I will argue till the end of time, 491 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: arming democrats is not a theory of power either. That's 492 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: playing right into the other side's theory of power. Right, 493 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Arming democrats is not going to lead to equality. It's 494 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to lead to the other side 495 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: than getting more and better guns. And so I just 496 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: don't think that that is a viable strategy either. That 497 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: plays right into some of their bad stuff. And I 498 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of data to show that. So, Jonathan, 499 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: all I can say is be well, yeah, hang in there, 500 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: stay safe, hang in there, good luck with all of 501 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: your reviews and trying to do the Lord's work of 502 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: spreading some type of truth alarm, wake up call. I 503 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: don't know, but this country needs something and I don't 504 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: know what that something is. Yeah, as always, we appreciate you. Okay, 505 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: take care. It's no secret that the news is horsepill 506 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 1: hard to swallow. 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