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Speaker 1: She's a powerhouse in women's health. TAM's and Fidel is

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Speaker 2: Why is menopause still treated as such a taboo topic.

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Speaker 1: Agism and sexism. We've just kind of said goodbye to

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Speaker 2: What are the symptoms? What are women experiencing? What are

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Speaker 1: Brain fog was the most debilitating in the symptoms. Mood swings,

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Speaker 1: Nearly sixty percent of women say that menopause has negatively

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Speaker 2: Why is it doctors still dismiss these symptoms and medical

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is going to talk to us about a

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Speaker 2: It's something that I have a lot of questions about,

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is Tamsin Fidel, an Emmy Award winning journalist

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. I said this

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this conversation. I feel so much

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be talking about this because it

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Speaker 2: you know, she's just going through something or whatever it

432
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 2: may be that that disassociates you from the exact experience.

433
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: The truth is is that you don't even know you're

434
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 1: going through it yourself. Sometimes it's not like you went

435
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: into the doctor and they said, hey, at thirty five,

436
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 1: you should start thinking about perimenopause because you might be

437
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 1: going through some of these symptoms right now. We're trying

438
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: to teach women to go to the doctor proactively and say, hey,

439
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: these are my tensymptoms. Could this be perimenopause? And that

440
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 1: is my hope and dream that one day there will

441
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: be this baseline. Like we talk about mammograms, like we

442
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 1: talk about other kind of tests that people are supposed

443
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: to get when it comes to health and wellness, that

444
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: we say, hey, maybe this is what you're going through.

445
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not stress. Maybe you don't need to just

446
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 1: go home, you know, and take a walk outside. Maybe

447
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: it's something more than that, and it's not just you

448
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: that's going through this. If we can get to that place,

449
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: it would be just a really beautiful place, and I

450
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 1: think it would end a lot of the suffering, because

451
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't think women should have to suffer during this time.

452
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 2: So that's really the first step. And I know in

453
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: the book you give a list of thirty four is

454
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 2: it symptoms, yeah, that people experience, and so I guess

455
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: the first step is if you feel any of those

456
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: thirty four things, going to have the conversation, because chances

457
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: are your doctor or someone may not have the conversation

458
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: with you proactively if you don't raise it.

459
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. A lot of doctors aren't trained about this,

460
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: and that was the other thing that was so shocking

461
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 1: for me to learn. I think I was somebody who

462
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: went to the doctor. This is what the doctor said.

463
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 1: I went home and that's what we did, and what

464
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: I realized over time, is that as we looked into

465
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: menopause and perimenopause, because of the fact that women's health

466
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 1: has not been a priority past a certain age in midlife,

467
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: mostly after about forty years old, a lot of doctors

468
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: weren't trained about this into their own admission obgyns their specialty.

469
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: Sometimes got a day of training in medical school to

470
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: talk about this. If you can imagine all those years

471
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: and they've had to go out and learn for themselves.

472
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: And so there are a lot of doctors that leave

473
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 1: medical school and don't feel comfortable talking about something like this.

474
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Speaker 1: So about seventy five percent of women go in and

475
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: are their symptoms are left untreated as a result of that,

476
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: and that number is staggering to me.

477
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Speaker 2: That was something I saw as well. I remember at

478
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: a conference I was that and you can correct me

479
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but there's a number that said something

480
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: like only two percent of all medical research goes towards

481
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: women's health. Is that right, right? I would never correct

482
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: you on that, that's so right, that's right right.

483
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable. And then if you look at that percentage,

484
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of that goes to menopause

485
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: in perimenopause. And I don't know about you, but I'd

486
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: never heard the word perimenopause until I started saying, if I.

487
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: Haven't heard it since I followed you, probably so yeah.

488
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: So I mean I went, wait, what's perimenopause? And so

489
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: I think that the more we can say the word

490
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: and the more we can get it out there and

491
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like this scary word. When I first

492
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: started talking about it, I was told, you're going to

493
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: blow up your career talking about menopause. You're going to

494
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: age right out of your career, because that is what

495
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 1: we thought about when we thought about this word. And

496
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that perimenopause has a little bit of

497
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: a lighter context and so that women can say, Okay,

498
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 1: this is the stage I'm in, this is where I'm at.

499
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: It's going to be okay, and I know what to

500
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: do and I'm not afraid to say the word out.

501
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513
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: get into some of the solutions and what women can do,

514
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: what are some of the risks of not managing or

515
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: not treating these symptoms. So if you just feel the

516
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: symptoms but you didn't think about it, you weren't aware.

517
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: They didn't no one read your book, you weren't conscious

518
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: of it. What happens? Like, what's the worst that can happen?

519
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: So, you know, I thought when I went into it, okay,

520
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I lost my mom to breast cancer,

521
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: so I was very scared of doing anything. And I

522
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: think that for me, I never had that conversation with

523
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: a parent with a mom. Heard that from a lot

524
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: of women, But I think one of the big conversations

525
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: that we miss in all of this are the long

526
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: term health ramifications that could come from that. When we

527
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: talk about osteoporosis, one of the big silent killers of women.

528
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: When we talk about heart disease, we talk about so

529
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: many women dying from heart disease. It's unbelievable when we

530
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: look at those numbers. And then we talk about brain health,

531
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: we talk about Alzheimer's. More women are diagnosed with Alzheimer's

532
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: than men are diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and so we have

533
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: so much more research to do on all these things.

534
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: But some of those are long term health risks that

535
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: we have to at least pay attention to. If there

536
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: have been studies at done that say, wow, you have

537
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: more hot flashes, there could be a correlation to your

538
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: heart health, pay attention to that. And I don't think

539
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: those of the conversations we're having enough of, and we're

540
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: all learning as we go right now and trying to

541
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: get as much information out there as we can. But

542
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: those are big risks that I don't want to take

543
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: when I'm older. I don't want to live to be

544
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: much much older and be suffering during that time because

545
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this time. And it's also when

546
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: think of my thirties. In your thirties, that's the best

547
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: time to start protecting your bones and paying attention and

548
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: having great healthy habits. There's so many things I wish

549
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: I had done when I was younger now that I

550
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: understand this is a stage I'm going to go through.

551
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: And do women have different ethnicities, does perimenopause affect them differently?

552
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of studies that are

553
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: gone on. There is a Swan study that's gone on

554
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: for a long time. There is a lot of research

555
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: that has shown that Black women have more intense symptoms

556
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: of menopause and often can have longer symptoms and start earlier,

557
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: and so there's so much more research to done. There

558
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: has been a lot of research done in different countries

559
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: to look at things. For example, women in Asia get

560
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: fewer hot flashes but more joint pain. But the question

561
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: is why, And so there's a lot that still has

562
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: to be done to look at that and pull this

563
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: apart and really say, Okay, we're looking at menopause, but

564
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: we've got to start looking at perimenopause. Because these women

565
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: went through all of these symptoms for seven to ten years,

566
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: So what happened during that time and what was happening

567
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: differently we're we're talking about when it comes to environment,

568
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to food, when it comes to genetics.

569
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: It's so hard because it's so varied, yes, so varied

570
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: by ethnicity, by what age it starts, by the symptoms

571
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: you feel, and so no wonder people just call it

572
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: stress and call it a day. Because it takes so much.

573
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: You'd have to be very knowledgeable to actually diagnose it effectively,

574
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: I imagine, and to really be able to speak to

575
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: what someone needs to do. Well.

576
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Speaker 1: That's the interesting part is you know a lot of

577
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: people go, Okay, what's the blood test I can take

578
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: to figure out if I'm imperimenopause. But if you think

579
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: about this, most doctors say, you don't really need blood tests.

580
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: You need to know what your symptoms are, and that's

581
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: how you can pretty much diagnose if you're in your

582
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: forties or thereabout, and you are not able to sleep

583
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: at night, you have a regular periods, you're feeling anxious,

584
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: or you're feeling a little bit moody, maybe you're gaining

585
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: some weight around the middle. Even though you're not doing

586
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: anything differently, you can pretty much rest assured your imperimenopause. Now,

587
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with heart palpitations, you're dealing with much

588
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: more intense symptoms, you probably need to make sure it's

589
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: not something else. But most of the time that's what

590
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: you should start looking at there. And the sad thing

591
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: is is that what I've learned from women is the

592
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: band aid that a lot of them are given is antidepressants.

593
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: A lot of women are given antidepressants right away when

594
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: they walk into a doctor's office and say, I'm dealing

595
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: with stress, I'm getting some weight, I'm not able to sleep,

596
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: And the truth is they might need antidepressants, but they

597
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: should also be talking about perimenopause or menopause.

598
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, I can't imagine. I mean, Hallie tells

599
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: that great story of how you know her doctor thought

600
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: she had an.

601
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: STD Yeah, it's not unbelievable.

602
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Well she's crazy. Like when I heard that story, I

603
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, that's one thing. But then to be told, oh,

604
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: it's probably depression and you should be on antidepressants. What

605
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: does that do to menopause? So if you were given

606
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: antidepressants when you had perimenopause, what does that due to

607
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: a perimenopause?

608
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I was given them. That's how I know. Oh wow,

609
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: And that's what was so shocking. So I didn't know

610
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: I was in perimenopause. I didn't understand all these symptoms.

611
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: I just knew I was feeling really off. And then

612
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I finally landed on the floor of my studio at work,

613
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: in the bathroom with my heart racing out of control,

614
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: sweating profusely, not able to catch my breath, trying to

615
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: calm my body down. And I went to the doctor

616
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: and I found out I was in menopause, because once

617
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: you hit menopause, you can do a blood test because

618
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: now you've kind of leveled out there.

619
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: How many years were you struggling without knowing, I.

620
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: Was probably struggling about seven years.

621
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: You know.

622
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I'd gone through a divorce. A lot of the stress

623
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I attributed to that had hair falling out. I wasn't

624
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: able to sleep. I went to a doctor, and I

625
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: went to a doctor a couple of different times. And

626
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: it's funny I ran across some of my papers recently

627
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: that were about four years before I realized I was

628
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: in menopause, and it said complains of moodiness and weight gain,

629
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: But no one ever said the word perimenopause to me,

630
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I was given lexapro, That's what I was given, and

631
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I was given antidepressants, and so antidepressants, of course can

632
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: help with mood, but it's not going to help your

633
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: hot flashes, and it's probably not going to help your

634
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: or maybe it'll help a little bit in your sleep,

635
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: but it's probably not going to help some of the

636
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: other things, irregular periods. And so I just think it's

637
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: so important for all disciplines, not just obgi ns, to

638
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: have this conversation and be aware of it. And I'm

639
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: proud of women because I think women are really the

640
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: onus is on women right now to stand up and say, hey,

641
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm tracking myself. I know what's going on. I've written

642
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: down my symptoms. I'm aware, and I think women are

643
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: more aware than ever. You know this better than anybody

644
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: other health and what's happening in their lives, to walk

645
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: in and say, maybe this is perimenopause. Can you tell

646
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: me if it is? And can you tell me if

647
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: you're comfortable having this conversation with me, and if not,

648
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I need to find another doctor.

649
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: Tamsen, what do we do? I know, I'm so glad

650
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: that we've talked about just at least to get a

651
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: basic understanding of what's going on, the types of symptoms

652
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: to look out for. But I can imagine a lot

653
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: of women that are listening to this right now who

654
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: are already there saying, jem Tree is into that, I've

655
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: tried everything, I don't know what to do. Or you've

656
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: got women who are coming up to it. Some've already

657
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, go going, Oh gosh, I've seen my mom

658
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: go through that, or I've seen my aunt go through that,

659
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: or whatever it may be. How can I help them?

660
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 2: What can I do? So where do women start? What

661
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: do they need to be doing after they've figured out

662
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: their symptoms, they've talked to a doctor about it, what's

663
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: the plan, what's the strategy?

664
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't want women to be afraid.

665
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't want younger women to get into this thinking,

666
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, for a third of my life, I'm

667
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: going to deal with that. There are some incredible things

668
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: that happened during this time. I think menopause gave me purpose.

669
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: I can't even believe I say that, but that is

670
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: really the truth. I had no idea what was going

671
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: on in my life, and I had no idea what

672
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: was going to happen after, but I found something really

673
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: different in myself. So I want women to not feel

674
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: afraid when it comes to what to do, as we

675
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: know everybody goes through it differently. But I think the

676
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: most important thing is to be able to have that

677
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: conversation with a doctor or somebody who specializes in menopause

678
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: and can give you some of the options. And there

679
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: are some different options. Some women opt for lifestyle changes,

680
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: solely lifestyle changes, that's what they want to do. Other

681
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: women say, you know what, I need something more. I'm

682
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: dealing with brain fog, the hot flashes. I'm having fifteen

683
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: of them a day. I can't deal with this anymore.

684
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Hormone therapy is a very viable option for a lot

685
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of women. There was a study that was john in

686
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and two that scared a lot of women

687
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the Women's Health Initiative. Headlines came out that said estrogen

688
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: causes breast cancer. That's essentially what the headlines were. That's

689
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: what the media took away from it, and it scared

690
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: women to death. About forty four percent of women in

691
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: this country were on hormone therapy at the time. Literally

692
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: after those headlines came out, it dropped to about four percent,

693
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: and we're right around five percent right now. That was

694
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: twenty plus years ago, So that's why it's so important

695
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: to get this message out. So hormone therapy is one

696
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: of those options. If you are eligible for hormone therapy.

697
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: There are certain women, certain risk groups that are not.

698
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: That's one option. It was very helpful for me. It

699
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: was also something I wasn't sure about. I went back

700
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: and forth and struggled for a long time whether or

701
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: not that was going to be something I did. And

702
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: at one point my symptoms got so bad that that

703
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: was what I opted to do.

704
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: Before we go to the others. What is homeland therapy?

705
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: What does it include?

706
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: Hormone therapy is estrogen and progesterone, and both of those

707
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: things have been extremely helpful for me with regard to mood,

708
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: with regard to sleep, with regard to hot flashes, and

709
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, we lose so much estrogen or estrogen doesn't

710
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: go like this, It just kind of goes all over

711
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: the place and then goes down, and so that has

712
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: been very helpful. Estrogen and progesterone. There's also testosterone. If

713
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a woman decides to do that if she's dealing with

714
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: a low libido, And for me, that was something that

715
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: came about a year later. I wanted to start on

716
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: the two.

717
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: I was a.

718
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Little nervous, honestly because I didn't know what was going

719
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: on and I'd never done anything like that before. And

720
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: then there's also vaginal estrogen with just a fourth component,

721
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: which is helpful for painful sex or for low libido.

722
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: So those are hormone therapy, menopausal hormone therapy. You can

723
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: see it referred to as or hormone replacement therapy.

724
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: Are there any side effects to hormone therapy?

725
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: It's been great for me. There's different women that have

726
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: different things that you know, they some women feel like

727
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: they've been more emotional on it. There's some women that

728
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: feel like the patch, if they're on a patch that

729
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: has the glue, can be irritating to them. Look, there's

730
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: always risk that comes with everything, but according to the

731
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: Menopause Society, this is the most effective way to treat

732
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: these symptoms. And for some women, these symptoms are debilitating,

733
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: life changing and not things that we can say, oh,

734
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: get through these years and then you'll be okay. And

735
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what's happened for a long time. You know,

736
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: women in perimenopause don't think that hormone therapy is an

737
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: option for them, and it can very well be an option.

738
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: And then what with the other solutions, there's lifestyle choices.

739
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So lifestyle is so important I think to talk

740
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: about because as we see, only four percent of women

741
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: really are on hormone therapy. So we look at the

742
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: rest and we're saying, what are they doing? Are they

743
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: struggling every day? So I look at a couple of things.

744
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I look at sleep as the number one priority. No

745
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: matter what. I don't think you can do any of

746
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the other things if you don't get sleep, if you

747
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: don't figure out how to prioritize that. And that became

748
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: something really important to me. To figure out a bedtime.

749
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't done that since I was young, but I

750
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: really had to figure that out. I had to figure

751
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: out a wake up time. I had to figure out

752
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: what not to do before going to bed. I started

753
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: taking magnesium as a supplement because that was helpful to

754
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: me before I was doing hormone therapy. Progesterone eventually really

755
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: helped me get a good night's sleep. So sleep was

756
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: my number one priority, and that took precedent over everything,

757
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: and then after that I looked at some of the

758
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: other things. The second thing I really paid attention to

759
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: was the protein I was putting in my body. I

760
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: grew up as one of the ones that was like,

761
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I'll stay on the treadmill all day long, do my cardio,

762
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: and I guess I'll lift some weights, but I don't

763
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: really want to do that. Strength training now has risen

764
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: to the top of my list. It's really really important

765
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: to protect your bone health. Like I had no idea,

766
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: and I don't think a lot of women did know

767
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: that for a very long time. So that's important to

768
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: figure out some type of routine. There's a lot of

769
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: women that say, like, all right, I've been working out

770
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I think if you flip

771
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: it a little bit and put strength training up there

772
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: first to protect your bones, that's really critical. And then

773
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I think the thing if we look at some of

774
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the lifestyle changes that you would take. Obviously we look

775
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: at food, and we look at inflammation, and we look

776
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: at trying to get control of that, because that is very,

777
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: very real, and I didn't know how important that was,

778
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, in my twenties and thirties, I'm like, I'll

779
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: eat what I want, I'll do what I want, I'll

780
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: play how I want to play, and I'll worry about

781
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: being older when i'm older. And so I get excited

782
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: for women who are in their thirties right now that

783
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: can say, all right, I'm going to look at inflammatory foods,

784
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to increase my fiber. I'm going

785
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: to try to pay attention to what is causing bloating,

786
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: because bloating is a big problem during this time. And

787
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: I think also making sure that your balanced to like

788
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't get everything right all the time.

789
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: You know.

790
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: I try to establish as many healthy habits as I can,

791
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: but I know it's not always going to be perfect.

792
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: So you've got to give yourself a little grace. And

793
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I think the final thing would be is stress management,

794
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: which I know is easier said than done, but I

795
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: think it's really really important. And I think part of

796
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: that comes with having somebody to talk to. I think

797
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: it's having community, having loved ones understand. I feel very

798
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: sad when I look at the decades of women who

799
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: felt they didn't have anybody to share this with. They

800
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: didn't share it with partners. They didn't share it with families.

801
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they whispered about it with other women. And we

802
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: went to d C at the end of last year

803
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: and we sat there with one of the lawmakers who said,

804
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: this is the first time that we've uttered the word

805
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: menopause out loud in this building. That's unbelievable to me.

806
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: So wait, so that's home monotherapy, lifestyle choice out changes, yes,

807
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: And then I would say lifestyle choices, I would say

808
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: stress management and community.

809
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: I think community is really important. I don't know that

810
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: I really ever understood community, understood friends for a very

811
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: long time, understood friendship groups. I didn't understand the importance

812
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: of having people that were going through something I was

813
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: going through. And when I realized that, it changed everything

814
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: for me. I have a core group of women right

815
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: now where I can pick up the phone and say hey,

816
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: like I am not myself, or wow, I feel terrible,

817
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: or you know, this weight is just making me feel different,

818
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: or I can't sleep anymore. And so I think that

819
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: that's a really important part of this process, and I'm

820
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: excited to see how groups are coming together. One of

821
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: my friends told me she started the Hotty hotline with

822
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: all these women that are going through perimenopause right now

823
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: from college, and they're sharing their symptoms and going back

824
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: and forth and having a conversation about it, and I

825
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: think that's important.

826
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: That's such a great distinction between friends and community. I

827
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: love that. I don't think anyone's ever put it that

828
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: way before. It's your friends may or may not be

829
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: going through the same things as you, but your community

830
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: is that chosen group of people that are going through

831
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: the same thing, and therefore you can share notes, share

832
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: your heart. I mean, I think one of the biggest

833
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: challenges that I can say as a man is I

834
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 2: just feel like part of that community or your friend

835
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: needs to be a partner. Yes, And it's really hard

836
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: as a man when you're completely unaware about this subject.

837
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: I want to be educated because the woman I love

838
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: most in the world, my wife, is going to go

839
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: through this. The other woman that I love most in

840
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: the world, my mom, has already been through this, and

841
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: I probably wasn't. I was maybe too young to be

842
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: helpful or supportive, but I wish I was more understanding.

843
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: And then I have a younger sister who's going to

844
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: go through this. So when I look at it through

845
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: the lens of my life. I'm thinking, Wow, there are

846
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: three women in my life that I love so much,

847
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: and they're all going to experience this. One of them

848
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: has already gone through it, and I probably have no

849
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: clue what she struggled with at the time. And you know,

850
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: in one sense, it's quite hard to reflect on that.

851
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: What do men need to know about menopause?

852
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I love first of all that you understand all those

853
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: touch points in your life, and it's pretty amazing when

854
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: you think about it. So I think it's so important

855
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: for men to understand what menopause is. I really think

856
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: it can be that simple. And I think it's also

857
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: really important to understand what to do during this time.

858
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: And I never want to say to him, a guy,

859
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: you've got to solve all the problems. But I think

860
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: awareness is a huge part of it. I think, Hey,

861
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: what's going on right now? Is everything okay? You know

862
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: what's the hardest part of this for you? Is there

863
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: something I can help with? What kind of habits is

864
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: your partner or your sister or your mom trying to

865
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: take on to help that you can be a part

866
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: of that you can jump into. Is it walking in

867
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: the morning, Is it trying to go to bed a

868
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: little bit earlier? Is it just simply understanding you know,

869
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I think that we've laughed in society about hot flashes

870
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: so long. We've always made it seen this hysterical woman

871
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: that's trying to cool off, or can't fall asleep, or

872
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: she's ragey and upset about everything. That's not the picture

873
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: of menopause or perimenopause anymore, Halle Berry, Naomi Watts. You know,

874
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: those are the pictures of perimenopause and menopause. So this

875
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: is happening to all of us. If we're lucky enough

876
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: as women, we're going to go through this stage of life.

877
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: So I think it's important for a man to know

878
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: what it is, what perimenopause is, understanding how long that

879
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: could last, and understanding some of these symptoms, because I

880
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: think sometimes the person outside of you can see those

881
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: better than you can see them yourself.

882
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think awareness is definitely the starting point. If

883
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: you know your partner is going to go through this

884
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: between early forties or late thirties onward, to be mindful

885
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: of it, to be present for be patient for it.

886
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: I think the challenge is we assume that if everyone's

887
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: going through it, then it can't be that bad, right.

888
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: There's a human trait of just like, oh, everyone's going

889
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: through it, Like what's the big deal? That's what I

890
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: was asking about. What's the worst that it can get to?

891
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: What have you seen the worst case scenario.

892
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I've seen couples going through divorce not knowing what's going on.

893
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: I've seen men not understanding what's happening because perhaps his

894
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: partner doesn't want to have sex and has not wanted

895
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: to it for a long time, and he doesn't understand it.

896
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I have seen women that get osteoporosis as a result

897
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: of this, women who are not treating their heart, women

898
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: who have heart issues as a result of this. You know,

899
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: I think that we have to pay attention to our health.

900
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think that knowing that your impaerimenopause doesn't

901
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: mean that you're going to prevent heart disease, but you'll

902
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: start paying attention to those things. I had never had

903
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: heart palpitations before as a result of that, and it

904
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: turned out that it was menopause. I wound up seeing

905
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: a cardiologist to just understand where my baseline was. And

906
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: I think that's really really important because the last thing

907
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: that I want women to do is suffer one and

908
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: to not be aware of what's happening in their lives

909
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: during this time.

910
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: What happens to a woman's sex drive during perimenopause.

911
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that, because listen, you're still getting

912
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: your period during perimenopause, and so your hormones can be

913
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: all over the place, and sometimes you can really want

914
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: to have sex, and sometimes you might not want to

915
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: have sex at all. And I think that some of

916
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: it's emotional too. You know, I lost my sex drive

917
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: completely toward the end of perimenopause, like I had nothing,

918
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: and I got remarried at the age of fifty. So

919
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: imagine I went into this brand new relationship and was like, yeah,

920
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: I have no interest in it anymore. And I think

921
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: that my partner, my husband, was like, what happened? Is

922
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: it me? What happened? And so I think that that

923
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: can really cause some problems. And I think that can

924
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: cause unspoken problems, and that's the big issue with a

925
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: partner not understanding what's happening. It disappeared like I was

926
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: going along, we were dating, everything was great, and then

927
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: it disappeared. And that was really why.

928
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: Attraction you want intimacy, and I love it.

929
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I want to kiss you, I want to be with you.

930
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: You know you're amazing. I want to be close to you.

931
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to have sex because it was painful,

932
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: quite frankly. And that's what a lot of women experience.

933
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: They experience painful sex. There's dryness that happens all of

934
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: your body, and it didn't feel good, quite frankly. And

935
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: I hear women talk about it now openly, But it

936
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: wasn't something we were ever told to talk about or

937
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: to express, or to sit with somebody. I mean, I

938
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine sitting here talking to you about this three

939
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: years ago, five years ago, right, But I think it's

940
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: what we have to do so young women understand it,

941
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: and so that men understand that something might be going

942
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: on with their partner and it might not just be

943
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: that she's lost interest.

944
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's the take from a man's perspective,

945
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, maybe this relationship doesn't exist anymore,

946
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Like there isn't attraction, there isn't a desire for intimacy.

947
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: And then if you don't understand that, there could be

948
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: this hormonal shift that's causing this desire. I think it's

949
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: so interesting, isn't it Like we we grew up thinking

950
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: a lot of this is purely mental. I'm not biological.

951
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: We do and not hormonal and not chemical in that sense,

952
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: it feels like, oh, it's a choice or an attitude,

953
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: and some of this is not a choice. You didn't

954
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: make a choice to not want to have sex anymore.

955
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: Like it was just it was almost like there was

956
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: an off switch.

957
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: It was an off switch, and it scared me to death.

958
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: It scared me to death because I thought, wow, it's

959
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: like this, it do it? And it made me question,

960
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: do it? Do I not have desire for him anymore?

961
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: What's going on?

962
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: It scared me?

963
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting.

964
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it scared me and I and that's really why

965
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I turned and you know, I started to treat these symptoms,

966
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: but I really thought it was something that was going

967
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: on with me and I and I was scared to

968
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: say it because I didn't even know how to say it.

969
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: How do you say, like, hey, I just I don't

970
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: want to have sex anymore and I don't know why,

971
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it doesn't feel good anymore.

972
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: And so I think that those are really tough things

973
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: to contend with as a woman, and I think it's

974
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: really hard when a partner doesn't know what's happening and

975
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: they feel in the door. And so that's why I

976
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: love when men want to understand this conversation. They want

977
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: to hear about this conversation, and they want to know

978
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: what they can do. I want to tell you a

979
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: quick story.

980
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: You know.

981
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: I was doing a book signing and it's always women

982
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: in the room, you know, And so because I don't

983
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: know very many men that are going to be like,

984
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the how to Menopause book signing.

985
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait. And so this one man was sitting

986
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: there next to who I assumed was his wife, and

987
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: he was just watching me, and he didn't really have

988
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: a reaction. He wasn't noddings where you feel like, Hey,

989
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: is this okay that I'm talking about all these things?

990
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: And he came up afterwards and he said, Hi, I

991
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: need to ask you a question and I said yes,

992
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: And he said, how old is too old to be

993
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: learning about this? Or how old is too young to

994
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: be learning about this? And I said, women at all

995
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: ages should be learning about this. This should be being

996
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: taught in school. People should understand this at all ages.

997
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: Doctors should be talking about this. One woman going into

998
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: the doctor's office, there's no question, and he said, how

999
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: important is it for men to understand this? He said,

1000
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: because I've never even heard any of this, and I

1001
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: think it's really important. Said it is. He came back

1002
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: to me and he said, I'm going to take two

1003
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: of these books and I'm going to give them to

1004
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: my daughters and their husbands because I'm going to insist

1005
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: that their husbands read these books. And I was blown away,

1006
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, like one man has now shared

1007
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: this message with two other men, and that's how the

1008
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: conversation starts to happen.

1009
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: But first, here's a quick word from the brands that

1010
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: support the show. All right, thank you to our sponsors.

1011
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: Now let's dive back in. I've been having a lot

1012
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: of conversations about it with my male friends who were

1013
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: older than me, whose partners are probably in that space

1014
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: right now, and just helping them become conscious of how

1015
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: it could affect them, because it's a human trait again

1016
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: that when you haven't experienced something, you have no idea

1017
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: how it impacts someone. And that applies to anything, whether

1018
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: it's your parents getting divorced, whether it's visiting certain countries

1019
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: when you were young, whatever it may have been. Like

1020
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: as humans were bad at knowing how something can affect

1021
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: someone else. And you know, even even to the point of,

1022
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, me and my friend were just talking the

1023
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: other day. We have three friends in our generation who

1024
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: have cancer right now, and you know, and it's and

1025
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: you're having this conversation, you're thinking about it, and you

1026
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: have so many friends who don't understand how hard it

1027
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: is for that person because you're like, oh, it's stage two,

1028
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: Oh it's stage one, like you'll be okay. But then

1029
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: when you really think about it, that word is so loaded,

1030
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: it's so heavy, it's so hard. Whatever stage it's at,

1031
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: it's tragic to go through. And I think that's partly

1032
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: the challenge here as well, that when it comes to menopause.

1033
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: I'm talking to my male friends about it a lot

1034
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: because I think looking at it as the source of

1035
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: some of the struggles in a relationship and the challenges

1036
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: that they're going through communication challenges with their partner is

1037
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: helpful to both of them because otherwise, like you said,

1038
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: you were thinking it was all your fault that there

1039
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: was something wrong with you and that person, if they're

1040
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: not understanding, could feel the same way, or it's all

1041
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: your fault. How did your husband help you? Like, how

1042
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: did what did that process look like? Because I'm assuming

1043
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: you want this well versed at the time.

1044
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: Either when you talk about that, you talk about cancer,

1045
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: that's life altering, whatever stage is in just to hear

1046
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: those words. My husband helped me in a lot of ways.

1047
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: And it was really interesting. When I got the first,

1048
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, was told I was in menopause. We were

1049
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: boarding a plane and I said, oh my gosh, I

1050
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: just got a note in my patient portal that says, I,

1051
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm in menopause. I'm too young for menopause. I was

1052
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: forty eight. The average age is fifty one. I wasn't

1053
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: too young for menopause. I was just clueless. I just

1054
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: had no idea and I couldn't believe it. And to me,

1055
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I associated that word with old age and like somebody

1056
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: whose best years were behind them, and I realized it

1057
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: was anything but. And as I continue to learn, I

1058
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: would talk to him about it and I'd say, hey, listen,

1059
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: I found out that like there's not just three symptoms,

1060
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: there's thirty plus symptoms of menopause, and now they're in

1061
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: the hundreds. You know, we're counting more and more as

1062
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: we learn more, we're learning more and more symptoms of menopause.

1063
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: And then eventually when it came to sex, I had

1064
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: a real conversation, you know, because I went on my

1065
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: honeymoon to Hawaii and I had no sex drive. It

1066
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: was really awful. It was really it felt it felt

1067
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: emotionally awful for me, but also I felt for him,

1068
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: and then you know that feeling where you're going, oh

1069
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's he's thinking? What she thinking. I had

1070
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: to have the conversation though with him through the process,

1071
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: and I was really grateful that he was open to

1072
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: listening to it. And it wasn't like, hey, you get

1073
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: that taken care of and then let's talk because of

1074
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: what's going on. And I talked about it with him

1075
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: through everything with weight gain, with not being able to

1076
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: sleep at night, with sleeping on the couch, you know,

1077
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: for almost a month at one point because I couldn't

1078
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: fall back to sleep and I was tossing and turning

1079
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: and tossing and turning, And then eventually decided that hormone

1080
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: therapy was going to be the choice for me, and

1081
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: it really changed everything and my lights kind of came

1082
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: back on and it felt very, very different. But we

1083
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: go back and we look at that time now, and

1084
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I said, gosh, I was a shell of myself, wasn't I?

1085
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: And he said, you were really different from the girl

1086
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I met. You were totally different. And I felt so

1087
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: sad because I didn't know what to do and I

1088
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: didn't know what I had done. And that's really what

1089
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: I want. I wish that every couple's counselor anybody, any coach,

1090
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: anybody that people are going to for help or advice,

1091
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: would educate themselves about the changes that happened during this

1092
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: time in a woman's life, because I think it would

1093
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: solve so many problems.

1094
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: I really would. I feel like there's a lot of

1095
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: trends inside that are changing, Like women are having children

1096
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: at an older age. What happens when perimenopause and fertility

1097
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: kind of you know, overlap those periods that you're experiencing it,

1098
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: What does that look like.

1099
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: We're starting to have that conversation a little bit more,

1100
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about it because I think it's important.

1101
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that any of us or I certainly

1102
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: didn't as just a regular woman. You know, I'm not

1103
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: a doctor, I'm a journalist. I didn't understand that it

1104
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: started in these early years. I didn't understand in your

1105
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: forties you would be dealing with any type of symptoms

1106
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: of perimenopause because I didn't know the word. But there

1107
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: have been some women that said, like, I didn't know

1108
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: the difference between having my child and then all of

1109
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, I was postpartum, and then the crossover between perimenopause,

1110
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: what was it? What was going on in my life?

1111
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what was happening. And then obviously,

1112
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: in perimenopause, you can still get pregnant, so you know,

1113
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: some women think that their period's gone away for six months,

1114
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, they realize that

1115
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: they can still have children, and so then we have children.

1116
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, they're having children later in life. So there

1117
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: is definitely, I think, more of that crossover than we've

1118
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: ever seen before because we're seeing women having children later

1119
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: in life.

1120
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: Are there any implications what should people be aware of

1121
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: if that's what they're going through.

1122
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: I think to be aware of the symptoms of both,

1123
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of women that are like,

1124
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know if

1125
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: it was after I had a child that I wasn't

1126
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: able to get the weight off, or I was feeling

1127
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: this like very a lot of emotions going on and

1128
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: not going back to sleep. And some of those same

1129
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: things that I was dealing with when I was pregnant

1130
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: in my reproductive years are the same symptoms of perimenopause.

1131
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: So which is which? And I think that that's where

1132
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: you really have to have that relationship with your doctor.

1133
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: I really believe that we've done a dift service to

1134
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: women because we've kind of said, like here, when you're

1135
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: in your reproductive years, here's what you obgyn looks like,

1136
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: and then after that you can go to the doctor

1137
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: and have your appointments and everything. But there's a real

1138
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: crossover in those years from thirty five thirty eight years

1139
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: old to when you hit menopause, and I think you

1140
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: have to be having both of those conversations at the

1141
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: same time you could get pregnant. Some of those symptoms

1142
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: could also be perimenopause.

1143
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: If there are a younger women listening right now, how

1144
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: would you best recommend that they plan for perimenopause. Is

1145
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: there a way you can plan or prepare.

1146
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: If I were a young woman right now, best thing

1147
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: could be to pay attention to some of the health habits.

1148
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to be perfect. I'd pay attention to

1149
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: the strength training. I pay attention of how to get

1150
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: habits to sleep well. Now you can go have a

1151
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: good time. I promise it's great. Go have a great time,

1152
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: but pay attention to some of these things that I

1153
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: think you need to put into place, protein, adding that

1154
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: to part of what you have going on, and figure

1155
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: out way to manage stress. I think all those are

1156
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: so important, and I would also do this. I'd also

1157
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: get a bone density test, which was nothing I'd ever

1158
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: heard of before, or anything I thought I should get.

1159
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: Most women wait till they're sixty years old to get

1160
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: something like this, but I'd want to know what my

1161
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: baseline is for my bones because that's really important, and

1162
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is break one.

1163
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's amazing to me how the habits do help,

1164
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: like getting good sleep, you're nutrition. These things do matter.

1165
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: They do matter, just that it's not gonna it's not

1166
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: going to stop this from happening. Right, it's not going

1167
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: to cure it. It's not going to cure it, right, Yeah,

1168
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: you can't avoid it. It won't cure it. But it

1169
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: will help you. Yeah, it will help you move through it.

1170
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: I think it'll help you manage your symptoms. And that's

1171
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: the most important. You know, perimenopause and menopause, this isn't

1172
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: a disease. This is a transition that we're going through,

1173
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to know. You know,

1174
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: I wish that when I were younger, I was thinking

1175
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: a little bit older. I wish that I was thinking that, oh,

1176
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: I have time to do all those things. If I

1177
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: had established some of those habits when I was in

1178
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: my twenties or my thirties, then it wouldn't have been

1179
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: so hard in my forties and fifties to try to

1180
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: figure it all out so quickly. And I think that's

1181
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: the advantage that younger women have today, and I feel

1182
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: really inspired by that. I feel really motivated for them

1183
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that they're going to get a hold of this. And

1184
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that perimenopause and menopause is going to

1185
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: look like this in five or ten years.

1186
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely think that, especially all of our listeners.

1187
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: But there's such a culture now of trying to get

1188
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: into those healthy habits earlier, and it's good to know

1189
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: that that will fare people well as they moved through

1190
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: this transition. What's the impact of the pill and birth

1191
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: control drugs on perimenopause.

1192
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: It's interesting some women have said to me, oh, gosh,

1193
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: I went to the doctor. They said it was in

1194
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: perimenopause according to my symptoms, and I was given a

1195
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: birth control pill. Well, the birth control pill oftentimes is

1196
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: given because you had a regular periods. If you went

1197
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: in there saying like my peerers are a regular the

1198
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: birth control pill is there to kind of regulate those

1199
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: and so some women will be on that for quite

1200
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: some time. They'll be eventually weaned off of that if

1201
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: they're in perimenopause, and then they can start hormone therapy,

1202
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: and any of the doctors I've talked to say that,

1203
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, both of those things are possible options depending

1204
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: on what your symptoms are. If you go into the

1205
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: doctor and you're saying, hey, i've got hot flashes and

1206
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: I can't sleep, and my joints hurt right now, and

1207
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm just feeling a little bit of brain fog, they're

1208
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: probably not going to give you birth control. They will

1209
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: start you on a low dose hormone therapy most likely

1210
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: and tell you to add in those lifestyle practices to

1211
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: be able to help you. But birth control pill, with

1212
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: regard to doing anything to perimenopause, I think more often

1213
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: will help regulate your period.

1214
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: You're saying there's not a negative impact between younger women

1215
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: being on birth control and then how they experience perimenopause.

1216
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: Not that I know of, except that some women say,

1217
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: oh wow, I don't know if my period has stopped

1218
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: or started. I don't know where I am. So a

1219
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: lot of times, if a woman is a little bit older,

1220
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: a doctor will oftentimes wean them off of that so

1221
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: they can figure out kind of where they are in

1222
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: their cycle. Because again, if you've gone twelve months without

1223
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: your period, now your menopausal, and then you would be

1224
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: doing hormone therapy, you wouldn't be doing birth control because

1225
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't need it any longer.

1226
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: What else? There was a funny video I swaw on TikTok.

1227
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: It was funny, it was comedic, but it was making

1228
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: a really big point and it was showing how men's

1229
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: hormones to stay study and how women's hormones go you know, yeah,

1230
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: and just the amount of cycles that women have to

1231
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: go through and the experience of it all. And what

1232
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: have you heard from your community that's given you strength, hope, encouragement.

1233
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: What have you noticed about people who have transitioned effectively?

1234
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: What are the success stories almost.

1235
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: The success stories of women who have gone into this

1236
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: stage successfully? Are I feel like myself again. I feel

1237
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: really bold and I can't wait for this next chapter.

1238
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good about my body. And I think what

1239
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: they feel more than anything else, is knowledgeable and they

1240
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: feel like, Wow, I know what journey I'm on. I

1241
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: understand what's happening to me now, and now I can

1242
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: tackle these different things as they come along. I never

1243
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: understood that knowledge and community were so important to something

1244
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: like this, and I think it means everything when a

1245
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: woman hears, Hey, this is what you're going through versus

1246
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Could I be dealing with dementia? Could

1247
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I be dealing with Alzheimer's? Why is my heart racing

1248
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: out of control? Why am I getting weight? When you

1249
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: are in the dark and you don't understand what is

1250
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: going on, I think that can be the scariest thing happening,

1251
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: and I think that's what so many women have been

1252
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: dealing with for so long, which makes me really sad.

1253
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: I go back and I think about my mother. I

1254
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: lost my mother to breast cancer when she was fifty

1255
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: one years old, and she had a surgical menopause, meaning

1256
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: that as a result of her surgery and chemotherapy, she

1257
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: went through menopause early. She was forty four years old

1258
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: when she was diagnosed, so it was pretty early, and

1259
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: we used to go into restaurants and we'd have to

1260
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: leave the restaurants because sweat would be literally pouring down

1261
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: her face, like she couldn't stay there, and her heart

1262
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: was racing out of control, and she'd be throwing water

1263
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: on herself and she'd laugh along with the rest of

1264
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: the family. We'd be like, oh, mom's hot again, hah.

1265
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: And it wasn't this was years ago. My mom died

1266
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety and it wasn't until maybe three four

1267
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: years ago when I really started research doing this, I

1268
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: realized that that was what was my mother was going through.

1269
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: It made me so sad to go back and say, oh,

1270
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, she was laughing with all of us trying

1271
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: to play it off, and she was really suffering on

1272
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: the inside.

1273
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: That's the hardest part for me, Yeah, is knowing that

1274
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: there are so many women that I care about and

1275
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: that I love that I would have been it would

1276
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: have been useful if I had this context, that I

1277
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: could have shared that with them. They would have found

1278
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: better support and help in their journey, whether it's lifestyle

1279
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: changes or hormonal support or stress management, as you rightly said,

1280
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Speaker 2: And I would have been you know, understanding and empathetic

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Speaker 2: to the change that they were going through. I think

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Speaker 2: it would change so much. Why is it that despite

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Speaker 2: everything we've talked about, doctors still dismiss these symptoms and

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Speaker 2: medical research is not investing more. I just can't wrap

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Speaker 2: my head around that.

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Speaker 1: I can't either, Honestly. I think part of it is societal.

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Speaker 1: I think part of it is that we think women

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Speaker 1: in midlife are kind of best years behind them. I

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Speaker 1: think that sadly, when it comes to research. You know,

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Speaker 1: we did a lot of research. We do a lot

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Speaker 1: of research about reproductive years, about what happens when you're older,

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Speaker 1: even what happens when you're younger, all ends the spectrum,

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Speaker 1: and then there's this kind of chunk of women and

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Speaker 1: a time in our lives that were just sort of

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Speaker 1: we've kind of fall off the radar. We're just not there,

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Speaker 1: And so that happens when it comes to research. And

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Speaker 1: then I think with doctors not being educated about it,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not the doctor's fault. They're there to help,

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Speaker 1: that's what they want to do. Doctors have good intention,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately if they didn't learn about it. If you've

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Speaker 1: got a woman coming in there and you've got a

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00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: woman saying like, oh, I'm tired, I'm not able to sleep,

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Speaker 1: I'm gaining weight, you know, a doctor will often be like, Okay,

1304
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: it's a part of aging, or it's you know, take this,

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00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: call me take an antidepressant, or try to get some

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00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: more sleep, or practice winding down. And so sadly, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got doctors that are dismissing women, Women feeling they

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Speaker 1: leave a doctor's office and don't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard from so many women every single day, Jay,

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: I get messages saying, and my doctor told me it

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Speaker 1: was because of my age, or my doctor said I

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Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be perimenopause yet, or if your symptoms aren't

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Speaker 1: bad enough, you don't really need to do anything. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the one that bothers me the most.

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00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: I really get upset when I hear your symptoms have

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: to be so much worse for you to do something

1317
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: about it, because that's not true. It's just not true,

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Speaker 1: and that there's so much that can be done about this,

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Speaker 1: and there's so many different ways to help women. And

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Speaker 1: so my hope is that we start getting this training,

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Speaker 1: and we start making sure it's mandatory, and we start

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Speaker 1: making sure that all disciplines, not just obgyn's, learn about

1323
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Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause. If you go to your cardiologist, they

1324
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: should be talking to you about perimenopause and mentopose. We

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01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: know doctors can't know everything, but that's where it comes

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Speaker 1: upon the woman to be educated about this too, And

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Speaker 1: right now, I think it's the best thing we can do.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to get a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch more studies right now in a short amount of time.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to get tons of

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Speaker 1: money poured into women's health all the time, specifically perimenopause

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Speaker 1: and menopause, and we're not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get all doctors trained. So quickly. But what we can

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Speaker 1: do is get this message out to all women, young women,

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Speaker 1: older women, daughters, mothers, sisters, aunts, anybody that could be

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Speaker 1: going through it or has somebody that they know going

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: through it, and now especially men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, well, I'm happy to be a part

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: of that and have this conversation because it's what you

1340
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: said also just about if if you care about someone,

1341
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's so important to be aware of what

1342
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: they're going to go through. And to me, that's especially

1343
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: something that is something they can't control, you know, something

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Speaker 2: that they don't have that influence over.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm so grateful to you for

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01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: this because I know it's not an easy conversation because

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Speaker 1: it's like I don't know where do we even strike.

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Speaker 2: It's easy talking to you about it. Thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You've just given us a masterclass on it. I feel

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Speaker 2: so much more well versed. I'm so glad that's what

1351
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Speaker 2: I'm speaking to you, because you make it so simple,

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01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: you make it so understandable. I'm glad that people have

1353
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: the books so they can check the thirty four symptoms.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that people have the book so that they

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: can actually figure out where in the course they are

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Speaker 2: so that they can turn to the doctor or turn

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: to their partner, find their community. I mean the way

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Speaker 2: you laid out the three really simple steps people can take,

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Speaker 2: whether it's lifestyle changes, stress management, or monal therapy. It's

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Speaker 2: it makes it feel manageable. It doesn't make it feel

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Speaker 2: like this is something insurmountable. It feels like something that

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Speaker 2: we can at least grasp and know what we need

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Speaker 2: to do to the next step. So thank you for

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Speaker 2: being such a great messenger for it and having the

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Speaker 2: courage to do I'm sure it's hard being you to

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: as you heard your career was going to go nowhere

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: if you became the poster child for this, but I

1368
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: actually think it's going to help so many people who

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Speaker 2: are unaware, unconscious men or women, and people who are

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Speaker 2: just struggling and suffering with it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, I didn't have children of my own,

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Speaker 1: and I always for a long time I went back

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Speaker 1: and forth about that, and I realized going through this

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Speaker 1: and having this conversation and talking to so many young

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Speaker 1: women about it and trying to help them help their

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Speaker 1: moms or help them help theirself, I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I do feel like a Mom. Now you know, I

1378
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: do feel like I'm helping young women, and so I

1379
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Speaker 1: figured out a purpose through menopause. How menopause gave me

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Speaker 1: a purpose? But you know, it really did change my life.

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Speaker 1: So it did a lot. It did a lot for me,

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01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: let me trust myself more, and it let me realize

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Speaker 1: that there are some changes and it's never too late.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the most important thing of all,

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Speaker 1: that it's never too late to make these changes. If

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Speaker 1: you didn't make them in your twenties or thirties, it's

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Speaker 1: not too late to make those changes.

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Speaker 2: I love it times in Fidel, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for writing this book, How to menopause, Take charge of

1390
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: your health, reclaim your life, and feel even better than before.

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Speaker 2: That's my favorite part about it is hearing you say

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Speaker 2: that we've got to get over this belief that women

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Speaker 2: are past their best years and your best years are

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Speaker 2: behind you and you've already lived in And it's that

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01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: part of feel even better than before. That's a message

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: that I love so. Thank you so much for in

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Speaker 2: this book. I highly recommend everyone goes and grabs a copy.

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Speaker 2: Men included. It's so important for us to be informed,

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: and I really hope that this serves your relationships, helps

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: your careers, helps your purpose and your passion, your children,

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: and ultimately helps yourself. Thank you so much, and thank

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: you Tamson again. Please follow tams and subscribe to our

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01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: podcast follower on social media platforms, and we will put

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: all the links in the bio and in the comment

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01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: section for you to follow along. Thank you so much again,

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01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: Thamson for joining me. Thank thank you for writing this book.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, just wonderful.

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Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my conversation with

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Speaker 2: Megan Trainer on breaking generational trauma and how to be

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Speaker 2: confident from the inside out.

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Speaker 1: My therapist told me stand in the mirror naked for

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Speaker 1: five minutes. It was already tough for me to love

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: my body, but after the C section scar with all

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: the stretch marks, now I'm looking at myself like I've

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Speaker 1: been hacked. But day three, when I did it, I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, her thigh is a cue