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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Mark, let's talk about your wake up call. What happened

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Speaker 2: to you with regards to LED lighting.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes, I'm not involved with LED lighting because

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Speaker 3: I chose it. It was something that happened to me,

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Speaker 3: and I'm happy to share my story with your listeners.

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Speaker 3: It was very dramatic or traumatic, I should say so.

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Speaker 3: I was a a middle school math teacher in Silicon Valley, California,

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Speaker 3: and around twenty fifteen, at the end twenty sixteen, that's

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Speaker 3: when I started to notice LED lights coming out, so

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Speaker 3: car headlights and blood lights on buildings and the street

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Speaker 3: lights on my street. They began to change these lights,

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Speaker 3: and to me, it was something I'd never experienced before,

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Speaker 3: a kind of emotional feeling that I can't it's some

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Speaker 3: indescribable alien and I associated the word evil with this

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Speaker 3: what I now turned blue rich light. I remember clearly

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Speaker 3: driving to work to school and seeing Cadillac daytime running

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Speaker 3: lights and thinking this can't be real. This is what

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Speaker 3: is this evil light that's hitting me? It was capturing

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Speaker 3: my attention. It was either forcing myself to pull away

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Speaker 3: it like a moth and staring straight at it. It

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Speaker 3: was so bizarre. In my town, they changed the beautiful

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Speaker 3: high pressure sodiums the orange lights the street lights. They

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Speaker 3: changed them to five thousand Calvin led blue rich street lights.

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Speaker 3: I lived on the second floor and they were right

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Speaker 3: at eye level. So I came home and one night

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Speaker 3: and my living room and kitchen were blasted with this

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Speaker 3: intense light flooding my apartment. So I had to close

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Speaker 3: the blinds, and it was just it was so terrible,

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Speaker 3: and as I began to get struck, I would call

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Speaker 3: it being struck by this light. Repeatedly, my mood started

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Speaker 3: to sour. I started being depressed and agitated, and it

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Speaker 3: felt inescapable, and I began to try to join groups

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Speaker 3: on the internet and trying to figure out why this

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Speaker 3: experiencing the same reactions as me. Well, it got so

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Speaker 3: bad that I tried to get my school where I

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Speaker 3: was working to eliminate some of these lights, and there

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Speaker 3: was one in particular.

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Speaker 2: It was at the top.

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Speaker 3: They put it on the top of the building, and

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Speaker 3: when I came in in the morning, it was shining

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Speaker 3: just this really terrible state. So at one point I

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Speaker 3: had tried to get the school district to change the lights,

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Speaker 3: and I had my principal come in fourth period at

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Speaker 3: the start of class and he said, oh, they decided

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Speaker 3: they need those lights for safety. And this had been

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Speaker 3: several years already, so this is a twenty nineteen. I

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Speaker 3: had a total catastrophic mental breakdown. I could not imagine

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Speaker 3: myself living with these led lights for the rest of

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Speaker 3: my life. And I broke down something I've never experienced before,

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Speaker 3: nothing close, just in a complete panic and crying in

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Speaker 3: a kind of a weird way. And they called the ambulance.

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Speaker 3: They called the police, and they they captured me and

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Speaker 3: put me in handcuffs and threw me in the ambulance

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Speaker 3: and took me to the mental hess board. Oh lord, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so and so it was something. It was just

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Speaker 3: a total catastrophic breakdown. So they put me on drugs.

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Speaker 3: I was just it was there's so many other people

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Speaker 3: a good place, and I plod the workers that are there.

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Speaker 3: But because they put me on all these drugs, I

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Speaker 3: another three days. So overall I was out out of

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Speaker 3: commission for four days due to a mental breakdown. And

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Speaker 3: it was because of the LED lights.

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Speaker 2: And so in the hospitals. Were there led lights in

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Speaker 2: the hospitals as well.

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Speaker 3: I was really out of it with the drugs and

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Speaker 3: But when it was all done, and I spent a

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Speaker 3: And that's when I became a full time advocate for,

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Speaker 2: And when did you start to realize people all over

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Speaker 2: the world were reporting the same neurological and emotional effects.

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Speaker 3: So when I was first looking into this, around early

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, I found a Facebook group ban blinding LEDs

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Speaker 3: was started by somebody else, and I said, oh, these

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Speaker 3: about this concept called color temperature, which is at the

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Speaker 3: time what we thought the whole problem was was the

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Speaker 3: was the color temperature was wrong. And then I met

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Speaker 3: other people online. Donald Berry started a petition to ban

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Speaker 3: blinding headlights for cars. He started out in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: And then I became so involved and so interested in

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Speaker 3: trying to solve the issue that I ended up creating

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Speaker 3: the soft Lights Foundation at soft lights that's a plurals

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Speaker 3: dot org, and we have a Facebook soft Lights Foundation,

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Speaker 3: and then soft lights dot org as a website now

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Speaker 3: and we are now a nonprofit five' one c three

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Speaker 3: and we advocate. So I've just because I lost my

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Speaker 3: just spent my time now advocating and trying to compel

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Speaker 3: the government to solve this problem.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the headlights, and I didn't make this connection

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Speaker 2: until I don't know, maybe a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of slow, yes, but I'm finding it increasingly

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Speaker 2: difficult to drive at night, particularly in the rain. And

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Speaker 2: I don't have cataracts. I've not had you know, laser

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Speaker 2: what do they call it, Lasik surgery or whatever. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: when people have that surgery, it creates problems for a

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Speaker 2: night vision. I've not had that. It's the LED headlights.

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Speaker 2: Every car that drives by it seems like they're on

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Speaker 2: high beam, and then it's exacerbated in the rain. It's

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Speaker 2: getting to the point I can't drive at night. It's

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Speaker 2: the LED headlights. And it's something that I shared with

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Speaker 2: you a couple of weeks ago, and I was embarrassed

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna we recently, well eight months ago, we got

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Speaker 2: was irritated and I blurred out, I said, get away

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Speaker 2: from me. I'm going to kick you. I never did,

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Speaker 2: I never would I, but I said it out loud.

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Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, what is wrong with me?

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Speaker 2: And the mighty Affordie he said, what's going on? And

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Speaker 2: now I'm thinking it's I'm sitting under led lights right

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Speaker 2: all day every day. It's the LEDs must be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it quite possibly could be. Let's go back to

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Speaker 3: the headlights for a second to sort of because many

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Speaker 3: people encountered these headlights and it's a good time for

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Speaker 3: me to promote our petition. You can go to soft

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Speaker 3: sign a petition to ban blinding headlights, where you can

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Speaker 3: just search on change dot org ban blinding headlights and

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Speaker 3: save lives. And so we have almost seventy five thousand

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Speaker 3: signatures on this petition that was started back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: and it tells us how many people are suffering from

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Speaker 3: listening to this show and there's this glare in their eyes.

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Speaker 3: It's making them unhappy. This light is making them agitated.

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Speaker 3: be exhausted and you may take it out on your dog. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: specifically because it's the scientists already study this one hundred

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Speaker 3: because it was cheaper to make. That's why, to get

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Speaker 3: None of these headlights were authorized. They never the auto

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Speaker 3: And so now we're just everybody is suffering with these

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Speaker 2: Any data to show that these headlights are causing accidents

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of different things going on. So one

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Speaker 3: of the influencers is called the Insurance Institute for Highway SAFETYHS.

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Speaker 3: The insurance companies belonged to this organization and they have

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Speaker 3: certain agenda, and their agenda is to reduce crashes, to

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Speaker 3: that while these LED headlights have not increased the number

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Speaker 3: of I don't forget remember exactly, but deaths or injuries.

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Speaker 3: So but the important thing from the IIHS standpoint was

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Speaker 3: that it's not costing the insurance companies. They're not having

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Speaker 3: more crashes. That's what they believe. They're not having more crashes.

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Speaker 3: But but they discount the comfort, the medical problems, the

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Speaker 3: possible eye problems, I damage later, all these other issues.

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Speaker 3: They just ignored all of that.

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Speaker 2: There's another causing sorry, is it damaging our retinas?

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Speaker 3: I believe so.

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Speaker 3: So, macular degeneration is something that occurs over time. Those

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Speaker 3: they fluff off, and then you get new ones. That's great,

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Speaker 3: but not your eye cells. So this blue light that

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Speaker 3: being exposed to high glare light at night, you're getting damage.

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Speaker 3: And we're not going to know about it for another

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Speaker 3: twenty years or so. But but then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: we're going to have three hundred million Americans going to

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Speaker 2: it after the break. But we were told the rationale

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Speaker 2: behind LED technology was energy efficiency. They'll save energy, and

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Speaker 2: we've got to save energy, save energy. Do LED lights

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a semantics thing. It's in one of those

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Speaker 3: that mean exactly? Energy efficient? I flatly say no. LEDs

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Speaker 3: incandescent light bulb. When you claim energy efficiency, you need

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Speaker 3: to have two parts. It needs to be the same

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Speaker 3: only change have one metric lumens per wat, and you say, oh,

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Speaker 3: an incandescent light bulb gets ten lumens for every wat

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Speaker 3: of energy, but my LED can get one hundred lumens

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Speaker 3: per watt of energy, that my LED light bulb is

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Speaker 3: more energy efficient. It's false because what they've done is

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Speaker 3: they've used blue light instead of comfortable and safe red

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Speaker 3: digital flicker, and they've chosen to make it a beam

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Speaker 3: LED light is so much worse, and so it's not

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