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Speaker 2: been the best Thursday night football game I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Thirty six thirty Kirk Cousins, Oh my God, five hundred
Speaker 2: plus yards for kirk Cousins. Was it four touchdown passes?
Speaker 2: Baker had what three touchdown passes? It's just a flurry.
Speaker 2: I lost count. Jeez, what a night. I mean this,
Speaker 2: I'm doing this on the fly here. I'm just looking
Speaker 2: thirty six thirty Yeah, Baker nineteen and twenty four three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Listen to these numbers for kirk Cousins forty two of
Speaker 2: fifty eight, four touchdowns, five hundred and nine yards. Colin,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Lena paid Kirk Cousins and drafted
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix.
Speaker 1: It should be fired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, having two quarterbacks. It's terrible thing in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Just terrible. So first of all that that game was crazy.
Speaker 2: October has arrived and SOA's offense. I mean, this just
Speaker 2: shows you how close this league is. So Atlanta. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, they get Darnell Mooney drops that ball six
Speaker 2: minutes left, and you're thinking they just blew it wide
Speaker 2: open Darnell Mooney. But Raheem Morris, like good coaches, kept
Speaker 2: his timeouts. They were able to stop tamp on that drive.
Speaker 2: Time out, time out, time out, get it back ball
Speaker 2: punted in the end, zone, get it back. And this
Speaker 2: is what Captain Kirk does. He's a professional quarterback in
Speaker 2: this and this shows you. We talked about this on
Speaker 2: FS one today. The middle class quarterbacks. You know, your
Speaker 2: uppercross is five or six guys, and then you get
Speaker 2: into Look at all these middle class quarterbacks. Andy Dalton,
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield. Kirk Cousins is on
Speaker 2: the higher end of that, but you don't pay him
Speaker 2: a fortune. They make good money. Kirk makes good money.
Speaker 2: But look at all the quarterbacks that don't make the
Speaker 2: biggest money. Kirk Cousins a lot of weapons, Baker Godwin,
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, Gino Darnold. You notice that if you're gonna
Speaker 2: have a B to a B plus quarterback and you
Speaker 2: don't pay him Dak money, look at the weapons. Dak's
Speaker 2: a B plus quarterback, A minus, you pay him big money.
Speaker 2: They got one receiver, okay, and they can't They probably
Speaker 2: gonna afford Devonte Adams, but they have the worst running
Speaker 2: back room in the league and the worst run defense.
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna pay a quarterback the Mahomes money,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen Lamar, I'm for it, but that's why Kansas
Speaker 2: City never has a fully formed wide receiver group. But
Speaker 2: that game tonight's just a I mean, I got notes here.
Speaker 2: I've been watching it for hours and I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: and forget my notes. It was just a great wild
Speaker 2: NFC South football game and you were watching two really
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny about Baker Mayfield. We talked about this today
Speaker 2: on the show. If you give Baker a pocket and
Speaker 2: Atlanta doesn't have much of a pass rush, I think
Speaker 2: al Michaels said to Night or Kirk Krbstreet said tonight
Speaker 2: that they just all season long, they have generated like
Speaker 2: no pass rush in the first half, and I forget
Speaker 2: what the stat was, But you give Baker time to
Speaker 2: throw and let him step into it. Dude's got a
Speaker 2: big arm. Same with Gino Smith, big arm. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: doesn't have that arm, but his ability to melt the clock.
Speaker 2: He is a classic professional quarterback. He is a just
Speaker 2: a pro. That final drive is just so smart, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And give Atlanta backs and receivers
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts credit out of bounds, get out of bounds.
Speaker 2: That's a team, you know. Raheem Morris got that job
Speaker 2: in Tampa wasn't quite ready for. It goes eventually to
Speaker 2: Sean McVay. They become tight friends. Watches McVeigh. He becomes
Speaker 2: a very offensive, friendly defensive coach like Demiko Ryans, with
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan a very offensive, friendly defensive coach Demiko Ryans.
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris watched those teams situationally with their offense. You know,
Speaker 2: I thought just the way Atlanta preserved their timeouts tonight
Speaker 2: in the game, they could have easily lost. You don't
Speaker 2: waste timeouts. They had them late. You know, it was
Speaker 2: funny when they gave the ball to Kirk Cousins. I forget,
Speaker 2: was like a minute twenty six left, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, he's not Brady, but I'm thinking this is Kirk.
Speaker 2: They'll be fine. They'll get into field goal range, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got and something has happened in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I can't explain it. It's happened overnight. Fifty yard field
Speaker 2: goals are suddenly no big deal, no idea. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what's happened, But I mean this thing tonight,
Speaker 2: it's just like fifty three yard field goals are made
Speaker 2: with ease. So God, the NFL's crazy. But New York Mets.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the talent of the Padres overall,
Speaker 2: or the Dodgers, or probably the Yankees. But the fact
Speaker 2: that Pete Alonso, you know, he's a classic slugger, he
Speaker 2: goes into extended slum home run derby guy hits the
Speaker 2: biggest home run of his career tonight in the ninth
Speaker 2: for the Mets as they go on to beat the Brewers.
Speaker 2: But this is what's crazy about it. So the New
Speaker 2: York Mets have been a franchise since nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2: I went and looked it up and that was like
Speaker 2: the Casey Stengele Polo Grounds nineteen sixty two. The Philadelphia
Speaker 2: Phillies were formed in the late eighteen hundreds. So the
Speaker 2: first baseball team ever, the Cincinnati Red Stockings, was like
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty nine. Well, the Phillies were in the National
Speaker 2: League like fifteen years later. I mean, I think they
Speaker 2: were playing in a street corner. I mean, who knows,
Speaker 2: I don't know, was it Connie Max Stadium or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Some baseball historian will know it. So just think about that.
Speaker 2: The Phillies have been around since the eighteen hundreds. The
Speaker 2: Mets have been around since nineteen sixty two. I'm reading
Speaker 2: it on a piece of paper right now. The Phillies
Speaker 2: have been to eight World Series. These two teams, Mets Phillies'
Speaker 2: rivals have never met in the playoffs. What they have
Speaker 2: never met in the playoffs before tonight? Have you ever
Speaker 2: wanted to win a beer at a bar with trivia?
Speaker 2: They've never met in the playoffs. I think the Philly
Speaker 2: is the better team. But you know, the Mets have
Speaker 2: been read hot since mid June, a lot of come
Speaker 2: from behind victories, and there is a magic to it,
Speaker 2: you know, these teams. I mean, there's a reason you've
Speaker 2: heard comeback kids, cardiac kids.
Speaker 1: You see it.
Speaker 2: You see it in football and baseball at the time.
Speaker 2: They're just these teams that get on rolls. They're very
Speaker 2: comfortable playing from behind. They often have power in the lineup. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, outside of the NFL, almost all sports
Speaker 2: are somewhat dependent on who gets into the finals. You know,
Speaker 2: you're Wimbledon's going to be rated higher if it has
Speaker 2: its biggest stars in it. You know, the US Open
Speaker 2: in golf obviously Tiger in some of the big hitters.
Speaker 2: Now a Brooks kept can drive a number. Nobody questions that.
Speaker 2: Or it's the or the US Open at Pebble Beach
Speaker 2: or Pinehurst. Obviously there are you know, Ohio State meet
Speaker 2: to Texas in a national championship. That's going to get
Speaker 2: a twenty buck. Guys and Longhorns have two of the biggest,
Speaker 2: most rabid fan bases. You know, Michigan last year planned
Speaker 2: for a Natty, got a huge rating. It matters situationally,
Speaker 2: an fl kind of bulletproof beyond brand. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: Green Bay is one of your more popular franchises. So
Speaker 2: it was Pittsburgh and they're considered smaller markets. But in baseball,
Speaker 2: Mets Phillies, that's who major League Baseball Center over to
Speaker 2: London to play.
Speaker 1: That was an o.
Speaker 2: Marquee, big power hitters, marquee, big major markets. And Podres Dodgers,
Speaker 2: which is a really used to be Dodger San Francisco,
Speaker 2: but the Podres Dodgers over the last four or five
Speaker 2: years become a great, great series. You know, Dodgers big brother,
Speaker 2: Podre's little brother. But the Podres now they pay like
Speaker 2: I mean, they have a salary cap that feels more
Speaker 2: Boston than it does historically San Diego. So that's going
Speaker 2: to be a great series. The National League, I mean,
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball could not have picked four better teams.
Speaker 3: To get in.
Speaker 2: So Pete Rose passed away the hit king. You can't
Speaker 2: talk about Pete Rose when I first got into this business,
Speaker 2: and it was a slow day in June or July
Speaker 2: or August, if you wanted to get phone calls, I
Speaker 2: mean it was, and maybe this was fifteen twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: but if you wanted to get phone calls, Pete Rose
Speaker 2: Hall of fame, yay or nay. Pete wasn't an honest man.
Speaker 2: He was also a fairly complicated guy. You know, I
Speaker 2: just ended up watching a documentary on Pete Rose, and
Speaker 2: I forget the streaming service it was on. So when
Speaker 2: I grew up, my favorite team in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 2: was the Cincinnati Red. So I'm sure if you've listened
Speaker 2: to me for years, you know that, you know, let
Speaker 2: off with Pete Rose and Ken Grissy Griffy batted second.
Speaker 2: Then it was Joe Morgan in a Johnny bench, George Foster,
Speaker 2: Tony Perez, Dan Dreesen. I mean I could go to
Speaker 2: the back catcher, Bill Plummer, saysar Geronimo Dave Concepsio. National
Speaker 2: League pitchers hit Jack Billings, Fred Norman couldn't hit. Jack
Speaker 2: Billingham couldn't hit. None of the Red's pitchers could hit.
Speaker 2: But it didn't really matter because they had the big
Speaker 2: Red machine. They had this incredibly powerful offense, and Pete
Speaker 2: Rose was the engineer of all of it. He wasn't
Speaker 2: didn't have power, I didn't run particularly well, but he
Speaker 2: was Charlie Hustle. And so you know, when I was
Speaker 2: a kid growing up, two of my favorite baseball players
Speaker 2: were Pete Rose and George Brett of the Kansas City
Speaker 2: Royals because of how they played. Now, Brett I thought
Speaker 2: was the better athlete and hit with more power and
Speaker 2: was a very very elite third baseman. So George Brett
Speaker 2: to me, always looked like the better athlete hit with power.
Speaker 2: But Pete and George Brett played with the same kind
Speaker 2: of intensity and passion that it just when I was
Speaker 2: a kid in the seventies, it just jumped through the
Speaker 2: TV sets, so you couldn't watch baseball, which was a
Speaker 2: much bigger deal and had much greater social currency in
Speaker 2: the seventies than it does now. NFL is king and
Speaker 2: there's nothing, you know, even close, but baseball in the seventies,
Speaker 2: you know, the NBC Saturday Game of the Week, Phillies
Speaker 2: and the Pirates and the Reds and the Dodgers were
Speaker 2: just stars studded teams and it was just can't miss stuff.
Speaker 2: I was a National League kid over an American League kid,
Speaker 2: and my first job at a college was broadcasting Triple
Speaker 2: A Baseball one inning of the Las Vegas Stars. So
Speaker 2: I was really a baseball guy because you know, at
Speaker 2: that time, you know, I was playing little league baseball,
Speaker 2: maybe it was, and baseball marketed and had big stars.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to name ten baseball players to now.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's Aaron Judge and Milkie Bett's and Otanian and
Speaker 2: you know, there's a handful of stars. But it just
Speaker 2: felt different in the seventies than it does now. And
Speaker 2: I love Pete Rose, and then Pete Rose goes to
Speaker 2: the Phillies and you know, he's a character. But baseball
Speaker 2: in the seventies had characters, you know, Mark Fiedrich and
Speaker 2: Mickey Rivers and Pete Rose. I mean the owner Charlie
Speaker 2: Finley of the A's was a character and for some
Speaker 2: reason baseball started sort of getting into this in the
Speaker 2: nineties and beyond, sort of there's a way to play
Speaker 2: the game, the stewards of baseball, and it felt like
Speaker 2: it was just sucking the fun out of baseball. And
Speaker 2: in the seventies Al Raboski, the mad Hungarian for the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: number thirty nine, the reliever. There was just all this big, crazy,
Speaker 2: wild personality in baseball and you just don't feel like
Speaker 2: you get it today. You get it more in other sports,
Speaker 2: but you know, in terms of pete and gambling, I
Speaker 2: think I've probably changed my opinion. I think I was
Speaker 2: more dogmatic about it early, but over the course of time,
Speaker 2: he's the hit king. And I mean, we've got a
Speaker 2: sport which was laden with all sorts of steroid use
Speaker 2: and abuse, and nobody really knows. Remember when they did
Speaker 2: the Mitchell Report and what a circus that was. So
Speaker 2: it was the Mitchell Report, and they've got a significant
Speaker 2: amount of their information from like three clubhouses on the
Speaker 2: East Coast. Well, if you'd have done the Angels, the A's,
Speaker 2: the Podres and the Mariner clubhouses, you'd have had different stories.
Speaker 2: And so you know baseball, Major League baseball was so
Speaker 2: late on steroids. It may have started with Ken Kamanitti,
Speaker 2: the former San Diego Padre power hitting third baseman. Did
Speaker 2: it start with Conseco? I don't really know the genesis
Speaker 2: of it, but I mean, so much of baseball has
Speaker 2: an asterisk, And you know, I kind of look at
Speaker 2: Pete Rose and I think he didn't really change the
Speaker 2: outcome of his hits, and so as a baseball player,
Speaker 2: Pete was. He was intense. He wasn't always up front
Speaker 2: from his personals to his professional life. But I can't
Speaker 2: I can't take away what he did as a player.
Speaker 2: I just have so many fond memories of his style,
Speaker 2: of his effort, of his passion, the Ray Fosse collision
Speaker 2: at home plate. Everything about Pete was intensity, and I
Speaker 2: appreciated it as a kid, and I think as I've
Speaker 2: gotten older as a sportscaster, I still I think have
Speaker 2: a lot of passion for the business. But I'm not
Speaker 2: as dogmatic on issues. You know, I've had kids. People
Speaker 2: make mistakes, I make mistakes, So I posthumously I would
Speaker 2: vote him into the Hall of Fame. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of characters in the Hall of fame. You know, years
Speaker 2: and years ago, I worked for a news director named
Speaker 2: Mike Cutler, and you know, he had one of the
Speaker 2: days we were talking about some issue in sports. For
Speaker 2: all I know it was Pete Rose. And if I recall,
Speaker 2: Mike was more of a Midwest guy, and it may
Speaker 2: have been we were talking about Pete Rose, and he said,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know what you don't know about
Speaker 2: people when everybody was judging Tiger Woods for his affair
Speaker 2: or affairs in his marriage, and I thought, oh, give
Speaker 2: me a break. Really, I mean, it's pretty legendary. Some
Speaker 2: of the great golfers of all time and some of
Speaker 2: the most beloved figures in golf were hounds. I mean, so,
Speaker 2: you know what we have in society today, and I
Speaker 2: see this all the time, people with no real insider
Speaker 2: sourcing have the strongest opinions. And I've gotten over time
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit more forgiving on it, because
Speaker 2: the more I've learned through the years, and the more
Speaker 2: sources I've had on different stories, the less I realize.
Speaker 2: I know, when I was in my twenties and thirties,
Speaker 2: I didn't have that many sources and thought I knew
Speaker 2: everything and Now as I get older, and I'm in
Speaker 2: my fifties and now i'm sixty, I have more sources
Speaker 2: and more contacts and more knowledge than I've ever had.
Speaker 2: And to me, it just kind of illustrates how little
Speaker 2: I know is. There's so many things going on. I'm
Speaker 2: watching this Vince McMahon documentary right now, and I have
Speaker 2: friends connected to the WWE, and you'll hear a lot
Speaker 2: if you watch this documentary on Netflix about Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2: It's not the half of it. It is not the
Speaker 2: half of it. So we live in a world with
Speaker 2: social media now. Our people have strong opinions and don't
Speaker 2: really have a ton of insight or sourcing on stuff.
Speaker 2: So I look at Pete Rose and I think he
Speaker 2: was a great player. He was the hit king. I
Speaker 2: let him in. That doesn't mean I have the strongest
Speaker 2: affection for his character or his personality and the things
Speaker 2: he did. Life's complex. People are complex. I can admire
Speaker 2: your achievements and not think much of you your character.
Speaker 2: I mean, we live in a country right now with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I'm vacation with conservatives. I've got conservative friends,
Speaker 2: Bill Volte, Republican. They don't like Trump. Things are more complex.
Speaker 2: We tend to want things gift wrapped and in tiny boxes,
Speaker 2: and that's just not as I got older, it's just
Speaker 2: not how life is. You have to sacrifice, you have
Speaker 2: to be forgiving. And I know it's the Baseball Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame, but the truth is, all this stuff is subjective,
Speaker 2: and i'd vote Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of unscrupulous people in Hall
Speaker 2: of Fames. There could be some bad people voting on
Speaker 2: Hall of Fames. I'd let him in, but he left
Speaker 2: an indelible mark on me, just as a baseball player.
Speaker 2: The way he played the game. George Rhett, Pete Rose,
Speaker 2: one National League, one American League. They just played at
Speaker 2: a different level with intensity, and it's in my head today.
Speaker 2: I can close my eyes and think of images of
Speaker 2: Pete Rose barreling over catchers and sliding in the third.
Speaker 2: I don't remember I didn't see it live, the Buddy
Speaker 2: Harrelson's story with the Mets, the fight that broke out,
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. I've just seen YouTube clips and
Speaker 2: pictures of it. But that sort of defined sort of
Speaker 2: Pete Rose. And as I watched the Netflix special on him,
Speaker 2: he was a Cincinnati kid through and through, and I'd
Speaker 2: been in his presence four or five times, was in
Speaker 2: his presence four or five times. He was hard not
Speaker 2: to like. He was funny, he'd let it rip. He
Speaker 2: was sometimes, you know, borderline inappropriate with the things he
Speaker 2: would say. But he had a great love for the
Speaker 2: sport of baseball. And it's a sport which hasn't felt
Speaker 2: the same to me since the seventies and eighties. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't have the social currency it used to have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw a story this week where, and
Speaker 2: I forget who reported on it, it may have been Andrew
Speaker 2: Marshan at The New York Post that ESPN is considering
Speaker 2: moving Jeff Passon their story breaker in Baseball to the NBA.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what they're struggling as a sport to get
Speaker 2: networks to latch onto another big contract. The Apple TV
Speaker 2: Baseball deal didn't work. The Roku deal was kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Baseball got thirty million dollars for a TV contract. ESPN
Speaker 2: and Fox don't feel like they want to go all
Speaker 2: in on baseball. And to me, in my life, Pete
Speaker 2: takes me back to a time when I was a
Speaker 2: young kid and it was my favorite sport the seventies
Speaker 2: and the eighties, and I can name infields and pitching
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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, has the Three and Out podcast.
Speaker 2: Chicago beat the Rams twenty four to eighteen, and again
Speaker 2: Rams don't have Pooka Cooper their best offensive linemen. If
Speaker 2: they did, I think they win this game. They just
Speaker 2: couldn't convert. They're not They can't convert in the red
Speaker 2: zone very well. They don't have playmakers. Every drive for
Speaker 2: the Rams feels like it has to be like a
Speaker 2: seventy play drive. But I thought Caleb Williams today speaking
Speaker 2: of the North. Now, again, the Rams weren't fully staffed,
Speaker 2: but I thought Caleb Williams today with a run game
Speaker 2: so swift had I think seven catches, they had one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five yards rushing. Therefore, the offensive line
Speaker 2: was better because the defense had to be honest, I
Speaker 2: thought Caleb looked and again they had these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Even Jaden Daniels can struggle with this. You know, the
Speaker 2: motion penalties they go on the road or it's loud.
Speaker 2: I mean, even Jordan Love Aaron Rodgers today the Jets
Speaker 2: had five of them. That's tough. But I thought Caleb
Speaker 2: today looked, feet were better, poised, o line better, and
Speaker 2: he had a run game. And it's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: I thought Caleb played really well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I still think he misses some passes
Speaker 4: that he definitely hit a lot in college. I don't
Speaker 4: want to call them layups, but there were a couple
Speaker 4: of today at DJ Moore down the sideline. But this
Speaker 4: is the formula for a young quarterback. One hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty yards on the ground, and twenty three attempts. You
Speaker 4: know what they did last week, But fifty attempts when
Speaker 4: the majority of the game is within a score is insanity.
Speaker 4: It's one thing when you got paid Manning or Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers and you're not setting the guy up for success.
Speaker 4: And I'm with you. I like, they just have to
Speaker 4: find a way now. They kind of like bench swift.
Speaker 4: But then he started making plays. They were saying during
Speaker 4: the week they were gonna give other running backs a shot,
Speaker 4: maybe to give him a little kick in the ass,
Speaker 4: Like you're dancing around too much. We paid you to
Speaker 4: depend on you to help this young guy out, and
Speaker 4: he just listen, you don't turn the ball over. The
Speaker 4: reason we talk about turnover so much, and here coaches
Speaker 4: talking because of these NFL games. Even early in the slate,
Speaker 4: you're like this, this seven games going on right now
Speaker 4: is terrible. Half of them are all tight in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: So you give the ball away. It's pretty devastating.
Speaker 4: And he doesn't throw a pick and you're only throwing
Speaker 4: the ball twenty three times, Like that's a successful strategy
Speaker 4: against you know, most teams that you're gonna play. But
Speaker 4: you cannot add this guy to throw the ball fifty
Speaker 4: times a game and think that's conducive to winning. Not
Speaker 4: with the guy playing the fourth game of his career
Speaker 4: who has a little hero ball syndrome to him. Yes,
Speaker 4: so when you're asking him to do it a lot,
Speaker 4: it's gonna get a.
Speaker 5: Little out of whack.
Speaker 2: Well, and the interesting thing, the tricky thing for Chicago is,
Speaker 2: and you saw it again today, eber Flues's defense situational.
Speaker 2: He's pretty good. Matt knows what he's doing on that
Speaker 2: side of the ball. Now, Cliff Kingsbury obviously knows what
Speaker 2: he's doing on the offensive side of the ball. You're
Speaker 2: watching right now a masterclass. But a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys who are the great. Some guys are vice president,
Speaker 2: some guys are CEOs. Clearly eber Fluce knows defense because
Speaker 2: you have to. They don't give you a lot of freebies.
Speaker 2: The Rams today again they had didn't have Cooper Puka,
Speaker 2: so it makes it really difficult. But when I watch
Speaker 2: Chicago today, I guess the word I would use is
Speaker 2: the one you used formula. I'm like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: will work. They played even when they led, it was
Speaker 2: just the off. It's just amazing. What a decent it doesn't.
Speaker 2: You don't have to rush for two hundred yards one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty. Just Swift popped about five runs several catches,
Speaker 2: and it just that's the formula. I still think this
Speaker 2: is going to be a seven win team, but John,
Speaker 2: it will feel better than last year's seven win team.
Speaker 2: You'll look at it and go, oh, he didn't have
Speaker 2: Keenan for a bunch of games. The defense is excellent.
Speaker 2: It feels when I watch Caleb play and justin fields,
Speaker 2: I feel sometimes justin fields is it's he's lost. Caleb's
Speaker 2: wildly talented, he just sometimes misses easy throws. But I
Speaker 2: kind of I feel like today a couple of times
Speaker 2: his expression doesn't change, he doesn't get down. There was
Speaker 2: a couple of the clocks winding down. I just felt,
Speaker 2: justin I just felt Caleb felt under control today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely was less frenetic than the last couple
Speaker 4: of weeks. And that's where Jayden has really thrived. You're like,
Speaker 4: does this guy even get is he unflappable? But one
Speaker 4: thing that you just mentioned he's got going for him,
Speaker 4: and they've been hammered all year is Brian Robinson, the
Speaker 4: running back from Texas is a really good player, hand
Speaker 4: the ball off to him, and that just calms everyone down,
Speaker 4: and the Bears were not able to run the ball.
Speaker 4: I think the problem though, big picture, if the Bears
Speaker 4: only end up with seven or eight, you know, you
Speaker 4: just got coaching flux, then you got new coordinators, and
Speaker 4: then you got more movement. I mean, that's just always
Speaker 4: an issue whenever we talk about young quarterbacks and just
Speaker 4: young teams in general, because they do have a lot
Speaker 4: of talents. But if you couldn't win this game, Colin
Speaker 4: the Rams, you know, understaffed coming off a big win,
Speaker 4: so you know they can inhale a little bit that
Speaker 4: ten am kickoff for a West Coast team long trip.
Speaker 1: This was.
Speaker 4: If you're not winning this game, you're probably instead of
Speaker 4: heading for seven or eight, might be heading for five
Speaker 4: or six. So this was a big game for Chicago
Speaker 4: at home. Quiet the crowd a little bit because the
Speaker 4: fans are like, what the hell's going on here? Partly
Speaker 4: because the expectations were so high. That's why think about
Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, both of them, I mean, these guys
Speaker 4: went one too. Both of them won the last two Heismans.
Speaker 4: But the expectations for Jaden weren't nearly as high as
Speaker 4: Caleb just because of the Avalanche hype. Really over the
Speaker 4: course of his college career from three years ago when
Speaker 4: he came in for Spencer Rattler in a Kansas game
Speaker 4: and ripped the ball out of the guy's hands, and
Speaker 4: you watch Jayden Daniels and you go, I don't know
Speaker 4: how you could look much better, just in terms of calm, poise,
Speaker 4: deep ball accuracy, accuracy across the field, just zero freak
Speaker 4: out whenever there's a rush, throwing guys open, like to
Speaker 4: me right now, and it's not apples to apples. They're
Speaker 4: playing on different teams. His offensive coordinators clearly better. They
Speaker 4: sculpted an offense around him that just fits. He's in
Speaker 4: the shotgun. But Kingsbury's added more physical run game by
Speaker 4: Adam Anthony Lynn, who they stole from the Niners, who's
Speaker 4: kind of an old school running back guy, and it's
Speaker 4: just working. And I don't know how many games how
Speaker 4: good their defense is. Ultimately, the Cardinals might just suck,
Speaker 4: but just if you just watch him independent of everything,
Speaker 4: you go, holy shit, this guy's this guy's got a
Speaker 4: lot going for him.
Speaker 2: My surprise team in the NFL was Washington. I didn't
Speaker 2: look very smart after they got trounced by Tampa, but
Speaker 2: it looks good now. So it's really I was talking
Speaker 2: to Steve Kaim I had dinner with him the other night,
Speaker 2: and you know, people forget Kime two time executive year.
Speaker 2: He had a really tough owner to deal with, and
Speaker 2: Kyler was very difficult. Kyler just doesn't watch enough film
Speaker 2: and it's been an issue. I've supported him, but it's an issue.
Speaker 2: But I was talking to him about Cliff and he said, listen,
Speaker 2: he said, Cliff now has tried head coaching twice. It
Speaker 2: hasn't worked, he says, But when you sit down with
Speaker 2: him and interview him, the reason he got head coaching jobs.
Speaker 2: He's really a brilliant guy. He's not he's not a disciplinarian.
Speaker 2: Things got a little loose, right like like it would
Speaker 2: get loose. But Kim told me when he went to Washington,
Speaker 2: he goes that Jade and Daniels Kid could not literally
Speaker 2: get a better guy. First of all, he's not a
Speaker 2: yellowness screamer. He's a teacher. He's fun. He likes to
Speaker 2: make it fun. He gives you he watches what you
Speaker 2: do manufactures an offense based solely on what you do.
Speaker 2: And because Jaden moved, Cliff was banging on the table
Speaker 2: for this guy. He's like, guys, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear about J. J. McCarthy. This is the guy. This
Speaker 2: is the guy. So he went all in on this.
Speaker 2: Adam Peters the new GM dan Quinn they listen to.
Speaker 1: Cliff.
Speaker 2: Cliff was like, this is it, and it's just this
Speaker 2: is very true. Brian Flores is the best defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: in football. His personality got in the way of his
Speaker 2: coaching as a head coach. Cliff's personality the opposite of Flora's.
Speaker 2: It's not intense, he doesn't bark, he doesn't discipline. Cliff's
Speaker 2: the opposite. So Floraes in Kingsbury are the antithesis of
Speaker 2: each other. But in both instances, one guy is too
Speaker 2: intense or was, and one guy doesn't want to manage
Speaker 2: and discipline and you have.
Speaker 1: To do some of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Flores and Kingsbury are a plus plus plus
Speaker 2: at what they do and that we see this all
Speaker 2: over the world. Some guys are just salesmen. Some guys
Speaker 2: can be the president but couldn't sell anything. It's just
Speaker 2: the way the world works. When I watch that offense today.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing an offense they're not fooling people.
Speaker 2: What they're basically doing is they're getting they're winning the
Speaker 2: math game. They just looked like, I mean, these runs, John,
Speaker 2: these running backs aren't having to create anything off contact.
Speaker 2: They're getting four and five yard runs before anybody initiates contact.
Speaker 2: It just it just looks so easy. Maybe I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for them to struggle and get into a fistfight, but
Speaker 2: it's like they're just it's just up down seven on seven.
Speaker 4: I've been saying this for a long time. The best
Speaker 4: part about the NFL. In most industries, you know, people
Speaker 4: fight and claw in the private sector in different operations
Speaker 4: to try to sit at the head of the table
Speaker 4: because it's so much more lucrative than a lot of
Speaker 4: different management spots. But in football, the number two spot,
Speaker 4: whether you're the offensive or defensive coordinator, especially on a
Speaker 4: team where the head coach is the opposite, pays you
Speaker 4: like two to five million dollars and you have no
Speaker 4: responsibility when someone gets injured, when someone gets DUI, when
Speaker 4: who knows what happens, which we've all followed the NFL
Speaker 4: long enough. Literally everything happens eight year problem. You're still
Speaker 4: getting paid three million dollars and it's got to be
Speaker 4: one of the best jobs in It's still you spend
Speaker 4: a lot of time. It's a lot of work, but
Speaker 4: in terms of the amount of money you're getting paid.
Speaker 4: And then when you're great like Flores or Kingsbury whoever
Speaker 4: the best coordinate Steve Spagnola and none of the responsibilities
Speaker 4: on you and you basically in those guys individual spots,
Speaker 4: they kind of get to be the head coach of
Speaker 4: their group. Right, Kevin O'Connell's not telling Flores what to do,
Speaker 4: dan Quin's telling King's. It's an incredible gig. Now there
Speaker 4: is I understand there's a big difference between three million
Speaker 4: dollars and fourteen million dollars or ten million dollars. But
Speaker 4: some of these guys, especially once they've tried it, like
Speaker 4: you could do this for a long period of time
Speaker 4: and just become a legend doing this, Like where is
Speaker 4: Cliff I would imagine maybe not the NFL, but like
Speaker 4: over the next couple of years, colleges are gonna call
Speaker 4: him again.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And they pay a lot.
Speaker 4: I think forty guys make over four million dollars. I mean,
Speaker 4: you make a lot of money and you don't have
Speaker 4: to answer to anybody hard to get a better gig
Speaker 4: than that that he's got going right now, right in
Speaker 4: why And I'd say same thing for Flores. I do
Speaker 4: think Flores is gonna battle. You know, like you said,
Speaker 4: did you see the viral clip of Kyle lighting into
Speaker 4: Brandon Ayuk for wearing the wrong shorts? It came out,
Speaker 4: It came out on Friday. Brandon, you came to practice
Speaker 4: with the wrong shorts, you know, in the regular season only,
Speaker 4: like the press is only allowed there out there for
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes, so it's the only time they were out there,
Speaker 4: and Kyle went up to him and lit him up.
Speaker 4: I mean it was kind of embarrassing for Ayuk, Like
Speaker 4: there's a dress code. He has the different shorts than
Speaker 4: literally the entire team, and that's type stuff. You know.
Speaker 4: Some coaches, like one thing I heard about Cliff is like,
Speaker 4: oh just let that fly, let that go, and you
Speaker 4: can't like that ain't flying, and Kyle's not you know,
Speaker 4: Belichick here, But it's hard being like that's on you
Speaker 4: as a head coach.
Speaker 1: Little things like the wrong socks.
Speaker 4: Right, And I think Flora is dealing with the quarterback
Speaker 4: because that is kind of like the heartbeat of the
Speaker 4: organization is not really going to be anything. He's going
Speaker 4: to be able to answer as a coordinator. But eventually,
Speaker 4: if you're that good, you know someone's going to give
Speaker 4: him another because he's he's not good. I mean right now,
Speaker 4: he's elite. Like you said, yes, defense more than offense too.
Speaker 4: It's usually about like you got to have the Jimmy's
Speaker 4: and the Joe's and who do they got? Harrison Smith's
Speaker 4: like my age, I mean, who who what are they?
Speaker 4: John Randall's not on the defensive line. What are they
Speaker 4: rolling out there in Minnesota? So it's those two guys
Speaker 4: right now. You're talking coordinators of the year through four weeks.
Speaker 4: So I mean it's Brian Floras and Cliff Kingsbury kicking everybody's.
Speaker 2: I feel like every Kansas City game now looks the same.
Speaker 2: Everyone is that you know they'll they'll fall in a
Speaker 2: hole or you'll watch them early and you're thinking, this
Speaker 2: isn't the Sunday They just they're they're just not and
Speaker 2: then Rashee Rice gets hurt very early and I'm like,
Speaker 2: they're on the road, they're out of sync. Chargers had
Speaker 2: multiple sacks and then they just and I think so
Speaker 2: much of this is Andy Reid inspects they just slowed
Speaker 2: the game down. They're really good at killing momentum. Mahomes
Speaker 2: had a couple of big runs. He had a couple
Speaker 2: of beautiful passes. Kelsey was more visible today and available. Obviously,
Speaker 2: with Rahee Rice out, Travis Kelcey becomes more available. But
Speaker 2: there is something about Kansas City is that we tend
Speaker 2: to love flash like Darnold's numbers, and I like, I
Speaker 2: like Kansas City, But I ask you, if they played
Speaker 2: Minnesota tomorrow, I would take Kansas City. What are we
Speaker 2: supposed to make of this team that isn't pretty? Every
Speaker 2: single game is close. It doesn't matter who the opponent is.
Speaker 2: They don't start necessarily well, they always end great. Do
Speaker 2: you worry at all that Kansas City's sort of following
Speaker 2: in this it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. It's
Speaker 2: they're just winning the same way and they're not playing
Speaker 2: particularly well for long periods of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like Spags and Andy are just like,
Speaker 4: you know, you fill up refrigerator and they're making meal
Speaker 4: after meal and every time they're using different ingredients. You're like,
Speaker 4: how are you doing this? Eventually, if you don't go
Speaker 4: to the store, you're going to run out stuff to
Speaker 4: make food with. And today after Mahomes, it's through a
Speaker 4: pretty bad pick early in the game, Eric terrible Kelsey
Speaker 4: and then he hit He didn't mean to, but Rashi
Speaker 4: Rice is their best receiver and he kind of ended
Speaker 4: up hitting him like he's John Lynch because he was
Speaker 4: trying to make a tackle, might have blown out his knee.
Speaker 4: Like that's so you let's just hypothetically say he's gone
Speaker 4: for a long period of time or the season. That's
Speaker 4: pretty devastating. They were playing with Kareem This is not
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. He's back on the team because they're starting
Speaker 4: running back. Just broke his leg and the other kid
Speaker 4: from Missouri, his own family through a wedding last Sunday
Speaker 4: because they didn't even think the guy was gonna be
Speaker 4: an NFL player. So I just I don't know, like
Speaker 4: it's remarkable what they're doing and they've been playing like
Speaker 4: this basically for two and a half years now. He
Speaker 4: does feel eventually, like I love these guys and they
Speaker 4: are It's truly one of the great runs of my
Speaker 4: lifetime any sport, what they're rattling off now these over
Speaker 4: this five years, but specifically these two years. I don't
Speaker 4: know how you can maintain this. Eventually, you're gonna obvious
Speaker 4: they're gonna lose some games this year, but like they're
Speaker 4: margin foreir in a playoff game, it's just very, very
Speaker 4: difficult for them to score. And Mahomes cannot and you
Speaker 4: saw Andy get kind of mad early. You cannot turn
Speaker 4: the ball over.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: And I think Andy felt right away like this Charger
Speaker 4: team came to play this Jim Harbaugh, They're ready, like
Speaker 4: this could be fifteen to thirteen final score, and he
Speaker 4: airmails it and steal fumbles and it's like you could
Speaker 4: tell Andy was pissed because this has to be a
Speaker 4: flawless We hold onto the ball, even if we're gonna
Speaker 4: score fourteen points total, Okay, we'll win at fourteen to ten.
Speaker 4: We can't hand them the ball at their own thirty
Speaker 4: yard line. And I think if the two tackles are there,
Speaker 4: Chiefs easily could have lost today. I mean, they are
Speaker 4: holding on. It's competitive character. The toughness. It's what you
Speaker 4: get out of like some of those late nineties Bulls teams,
Speaker 4: some of those Curry Clay Draymond teams, Like it's only
Speaker 4: they're the only team in the league that has this
Speaker 4: in the back to keep doing this, like eventually you
Speaker 4: just drop a game whatever, and they just they refuse
Speaker 4: to lose.
Speaker 1: And they got nothing.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're best receivers carted off the field five
Speaker 4: minutes into the game. They're riding Kareem Hunt. Well, I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure it wasn't even in the league like three
Speaker 4: weeks ago, but they had no choice because the other
Speaker 4: guy broke his leg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Isaiah watched that game. They got I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: they got an injury rebreak. The Chargers are missing tackles Abosa,
Speaker 2: Derwin Jay. They were missing their best athletes defensively, and
Speaker 2: you know it's the NFL. You have to make up
Speaker 2: for that. But as I watched them, you know they're going.
Speaker 1: It's a tough opponent.
Speaker 4: It's a tough opponent for that because their defense, Chris
Speaker 4: Jones and Spags, they just kept on any long third
Speaker 4: and long, they would just put ninety five over one
Speaker 4: of the tackles even though he's a defensive tackle. So
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I just become a defensive They wouldn't
Speaker 4: do that with Alton Slater in the game, that's right.
Speaker 4: So it was a total mismatch. You're just you just
Speaker 4: kind of screwed.
Speaker 2: And I think what they do with Chris Jones. There's
Speaker 2: no rigidity with the Chiefs, Like you know, the saying
Speaker 2: I use all the time at the volume to everybody
Speaker 2: is don't worry about being right, get it right, don't
Speaker 2: get stubborn on stuff. It's a fluid business. Change The Chiefs,
Speaker 2: like you said, they go into the cupboard and whatever
Speaker 2: is available they use. Like they're not a rigid franchise, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, New England became in their dominance. I
Speaker 2: mean Belichick basically took over the drafts. Belichick only wanted
Speaker 2: to coach players he liked to coach.
Speaker 1: They got very rigid.
Speaker 2: They started buying into their own stuff. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Greg Popovich, you know I'm not going to deal with Kawhi,
Speaker 2: well you probably should.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 2: The danger of the danger. One of the things I
Speaker 2: always respect about Saban. He just kept hiring great coaches.
Speaker 2: He went from a defensive culture to a quarterback wide
Speaker 2: receiver culture. Saban was just like whatever wins wins. And
Speaker 2: I always said that that's really different with Saban. He
Speaker 2: didn't have Belichick's ego. He was willing to just pivot
Speaker 2: off guys move into guys. I mean, good God, in
Speaker 2: the middle of a national championship gave me change his quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Saban was whatever wins works. I feel with Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: I get that, I get I don't feel like there's
Speaker 2: this definitive sort of moral standard, this saying, you know,
Speaker 2: just do your job. Kansas City doesn't have one of those.
Speaker 2: They don't have to do your job right, they don't
Speaker 2: have one. Well, they just they do what they have
Speaker 2: to do in this series to score, all right. So
Speaker 2: I occasionally bring Danny Parkins on FS one, but we
Speaker 2: can kind of stretch things out here and go for
Speaker 2: forty five minutes to an hour on the volume, which
Speaker 2: I really like, and talk about a bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 2: So you don't want to make sweeping generalizations. But first
Speaker 2: impressions do matter. They matter a lot. So when Nick
Speaker 2: Sarianni had his first press conference, it was the worst
Speaker 2: thing I'd ever seen. Jim tom Sula's was second. So
Speaker 2: I had information. I'd seen Tom Sula's presser. He did
Speaker 2: an interview after he was hired, and it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: Tom's slibit does. I'd been told by a source that
Speaker 2: I really trust Sirianni wasn't parady for the job. They
Speaker 2: weren't sure he was a great coordinator. And then he
Speaker 2: had the press conference, and so then he starts coaching.
Speaker 2: It's really choppy. Shane steik and takes over play calling,
Speaker 2: it's really good, Shane leaves, it's terrible again, and so
Speaker 2: and I think back to the Sirianni thing, and so
Speaker 2: I didn't stick with my belief, Like my take was, Okay,
Speaker 2: Sirianni's got it. And now I go back and I look,
Speaker 2: and I think, why did you ever bail on that?
Speaker 2: Your first impression was right? Now, I will say Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell's opening presser was kind of vintage, a little caveman
Speaker 2: over the top Dan Campbell. But the truth is, we
Speaker 2: don't think he's situationally a great coach. We think he's
Speaker 2: a culture builder. And he was building a culture so
Speaker 2: that was aligned with how really he is, and that's
Speaker 2: why his players play so damn hard. Even his first
Speaker 2: year when they weren't winning, God, they were playing good
Speaker 2: teams to the bell, and so I've always watched that
Speaker 2: opening presser. Tmiko Ryans excellent, Sean McVay excellent, many of
Speaker 2: the guys now again, Belichick was actually pretty damn funny
Speaker 2: at the podium before he got all the rings. Then
Speaker 2: he turned angry. But I do watch that Wednesday press conference.
Speaker 2: My legendary or annoying hat on backwards take like I
Speaker 2: do think that stuff matters. I've had more coaches text
Speaker 2: me on that in the last ten years than you
Speaker 2: would believe that they they do take the wensday don't
Speaker 2: want to go ahead. I mean, I've had people say
Speaker 2: the truth is, we tell our guys, that's a big
Speaker 2: press conference. The banks behind you watch what you say.
Speaker 2: That's a big press conference, the Wednesday quarterback presser. And
Speaker 2: I do watch press conferences for coaches because it tells
Speaker 2: me Brady talked and never said anything, Eli Manning talked
Speaker 2: and never said anything, and they turned out being two
Speaker 2: of the smartest quarterbacks of all time. So one of
Speaker 2: my takes is, I know it's a generalization, but I
Speaker 2: do take snippets from coaches the podium As a member
Speaker 2: of the media, I watch interactions. Kenny Pickett had a
Speaker 2: comment at a press conference a year ago.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat it.
Speaker 2: It was about some body part of his and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh Jesus, this guy can't Nope, he doesn't
Speaker 2: get it. Like this doesn't work at all. Whether or
Speaker 2: not you agree with backward hat the premise of making
Speaker 2: a judgment for high priority positions on brief snippets. Now
Speaker 2: we do this with politicians freely, liberally and with conviction.
Speaker 2: Do you buy it for sports?
Speaker 1: To a point, I think that grading press conferences at
Speaker 1: times is something that the media does and puts too
Speaker 1: much emphasis on, because it is something that we can
Speaker 1: relate to and we can understand. We are good public speakers.
Speaker 1: We know how to speak into a microphone, we know
Speaker 1: how to say interesting things. We don't know how to
Speaker 1: run the West Coast offense. We don't know how to
Speaker 1: block a three hundred pound guy who runs a four
Speaker 1: or five. And so I think that there are some
Speaker 1: degree of they're playing our game, They're answering our questions.
Speaker 1: They're in front of our microphones, in front of our cameras,
Speaker 1: so they're on our turf. So let's judge them at
Speaker 1: our game, because it's something that we are obviously better
Speaker 1: at and understand and are trained for. We're the pros
Speaker 1: in that arena. So I do think sometimes we overrate it.
Speaker 1: But that is not just I say all of that,
Speaker 1: then say to your point. Sometimes when I see a
Speaker 1: guy up there, I'm like, there's just no way that
Speaker 1: he can command a room, right, you know, or like
Speaker 1: there's no way that his players are not making fun
Speaker 1: of him behind his back, or whatever the conclusion is.
Speaker 1: So I'm not right. It's not a hard and fast
Speaker 1: rule of Matt Eberflus Bears coach. I think he's a
Speaker 1: nice guy who listens to his players, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a little vanilla, little corny some dad jokes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had guys say like, yeah, you know, Dad, Joe,
Speaker 1: Grandpa Fluse, Like we laugh, we laugh at him a
Speaker 1: little bit, like, not in a mean way, not in
Speaker 1: a disrespectful way. But I don't believe that he's like
Speaker 1: all of their guys that they would go to the
Speaker 1: mat for forever, you know. I don't think he's that guy.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell very clearly is that guy his team has
Speaker 1: taken on the culture of Dan Campbell. I do wonder
Speaker 1: if there's an expiration date on something like that, Like
Speaker 1: if you give me the great culture builder or the
Speaker 1: great schematic mind, I'll take the great schematic mind. Like
Speaker 1: I'd be interested into knowing what Ben what Dan Campbell's
Speaker 1: team looks like. When Ben Johnson takes a head coaching
Speaker 1: job and a couple of the offensive players leave. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd much rather have Kyle Shanahan than Dan Campbell. Would
Speaker 1: not even be close for me, because I've seen that
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan can overachieve. So I think that there's obviously
Speaker 1: something to it. These are billion dollar organizations, you're representing
Speaker 1: yourself publicly. It's a glimpse for us into their world.
Speaker 1: But I also think, I mean, how you know way
Speaker 1: more coaches than I do. I know plenty. I've covered
Speaker 1: the NFL for a while. What are their work weeks?
Speaker 1: One hundred hours? One hundred plus hour work weeks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, brutal.
Speaker 1: They're in front of the camera for an hour a
Speaker 1: week post game Monday Wednesday. So I think we get
Speaker 1: so much content out of that hour that they're in
Speaker 1: front of our cameras and microphones that we by definition
Speaker 1: overrate its value because to them it's one percent of
Speaker 1: their work week. To us, it's one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: what we see into the building that isn't broadcast on
Speaker 1: our TVs on Sunday night, Monday night, and Thursday night.
Speaker 1: So I just do I think it matters, but I
Speaker 1: think the media overrates it.
Speaker 2: I look at quarterbacks and coaches the same way. When
Speaker 2: I look at a quarterback out of college, there's got
Speaker 2: to be at least one wow. So Daniel Jones has
Speaker 2: no wow, so it doesn't work for me. Joe's accuracy
Speaker 2: was wow, Josh Allen size Lamar's speed, Jayden Daniels a
Speaker 2: little of both. There's a wow. That doesn't mean it's refined.
Speaker 2: But when I saw Josh Allen first year jump over
Speaker 2: a linebacker, I'm like wow. So my first take is
Speaker 2: a Trubisky no wow, Daniel Jones, no Wow. Ej Manual
Speaker 2: no Wow. Like if I don't see a wow, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna last or you're gonna need a perfect coach.
Speaker 2: That's why I was into Sam Darnold. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I see the wow. He is freaking an athlete with
Speaker 2: a big arm and he runs over He's like a
Speaker 2: poor man's Andrew Luck or maybe a better man's Carson
Speaker 2: Wentz like he's you know, but we know he's not Luck.
Speaker 2: But I think he's better at his best than Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2: If I said to you best coach, Andy Reid, is
Speaker 2: there a definitive to you second best coach in the league?
Speaker 2: Because Shanahan's liability has been late game lead evaporation, and
Speaker 2: there's I can give you about six different times in spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. But he's the Here's the thing. This
Speaker 1: is not a formula. It's not something that can be computed.
Speaker 1: It's just in my own head. A guy who watches
Speaker 1: damn near every game. I plug into the matrix for
Speaker 1: eleven hours on Sunday from one VM Eastern to eleven
Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern, and then watch Monday night football and
Speaker 1: Thursday footbyes. Watch it all. I've got to in my head.
Speaker 1: How good is your quarterback? How good is your coach?
Speaker 1: How good is your coordinator? How good is the rest
Speaker 1: of your roster? How good is your owner? How good
Speaker 1: is your general manager? How good is your cap space?
Speaker 1: Who's carrying more dead cap money? Who's supposed to win
Speaker 1: this year, who's supposed to be good offensively, who's supposed
Speaker 1: to be good defensively? And then I have all these factors,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, who's overachieving and who's underachieving? Okay,
Speaker 1: So like the Eagles, they spend more money on offense
Speaker 1: than any team in the league, number one in cash
Speaker 1: spent on the offensive side of the ball, and they
Speaker 1: have an offensive head coach, and they have a high
Speaker 1: profile offensive coordinator, and they're nowhere near the best offense
Speaker 1: in the league through four games. They are underachieving. That's
Speaker 1: a big knock for me on Nick Sirianni and also
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. He leads the league in turnover since the
Speaker 1: start of last year. Kyle Shanahan, I've seen the guy
Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo, and I've seen
Speaker 1: him in a Super Bowl with Brock Purty, and I've
Speaker 1: seen him in another NFC Championship game with Brock Purty.
Speaker 1: I saw him trade three first round picks to move
Speaker 1: up from thirteen to three to take an FCS quarterback
Speaker 1: It not work in Trey Lance, and then be better
Speaker 1: the next year like he is. It. It's crazy what
Speaker 1: he gets out of Maybe you love Brock purty. Fine,
Speaker 1: maybe his special or his wow is anticipatory throwing, post
Speaker 1: snap processing between the years. Fine, we would not have
Speaker 1: said that at Iowa State. We did not know that.
Speaker 1: Good job by them. He was literally the last pick
Speaker 1: in the draft. I don't think they knew it either.
Speaker 1: There is something too Kyle Shanahan overachieving that impresses me
Speaker 1: sure more than a And by the way, I'm consistent
Speaker 1: on this Andy Reid best season of Donovan McNabb's life
Speaker 1: with Andy Reid, Mike Vick's life Andy Reid, Jeff Garcia's
Speaker 1: life Andy Reid, Kevin Cobbs' life Andy Reid, Alex Smith's
Speaker 1: life Andre Reed. Then he gets the generational talent five
Speaker 1: thousand yards, fifty touchdowns, MVPs, Super Bowl, MVPs, rings, dynasties,
Speaker 1: you know. So like to me, Andy Reid overachieved with
Speaker 1: all of those guys. And so that is kind of
Speaker 1: how I look at coaches, is are you overachieving or
Speaker 1: underachieving based on your circumstance. And I would put Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan to because to me, he is the most consistent
Speaker 1: overachiever without a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm watching Gino Smith make throws and if you didn't
Speaker 2: know it was Gino Smith, the timing routes, the back
Speaker 2: shoulder stuff, I'm like, I know, DK Metcalf's good, but
Speaker 2: there was a lot of pressure. It was on the road.
Speaker 2: It was thirty eight first downs, defensive head coach and
Speaker 2: a college offensive coordinator. I'm sitting there like, if Seattle
Speaker 2: had three of their four defensive front guys, that's a
Speaker 2: real game. Is Gino a potential hoisted trophy guy? Because
Speaker 2: damn he's big, he's strong, he moves. I mean, Aikman
Speaker 2: was saying, this thing is he has got a heater
Speaker 2: on this thing.
Speaker 1: He makes high degree of difficulty throws consistently. He's incredibly impressive.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny what I've been thinking about with
Speaker 1: Gino this year so far, I think one of the
Speaker 1: single biggest stories in the NFL. And there are a
Speaker 1: few I think that I just can't really stop thinking about,
Speaker 1: but one of them is we all say that we
Speaker 1: know that situation matters. It's not just like what if
Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky would have been drafted to Andy Reid and
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes would have been drafted to the Bears. Right,
Speaker 1: It's a great. What if? What would Mahomes' career look like?
Speaker 1: What would Trabsky's career look like? If Trubisky had Kelsey
Speaker 1: and Reed and Tyreek Hill in that infrastructure sitting behind
Speaker 1: Alet Smith the whole thing. I like to play that
Speaker 1: game on sports radio All the time we do these
Speaker 1: unanswerable hypotheticals. Sam Darnold is ballin', Yes, Gino Smith is ballin'.
Speaker 1: Justin Field's career highs in efficiency, taking fewer sacks, turning
Speaker 1: the ball over less, higher passer rating than any time
Speaker 1: in his career, higher completion percentage than any time in
Speaker 1: his career, winning seventy five percent of his games. Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield has found a home. All of these guys were
Speaker 1: left for debt. That's right. So we are all coming
Speaker 1: out now in saying, oh, of course, Minnesota's good. Kevin O'Connell,
Speaker 1: great coach, Brian Flores, great coach. Can anyone find any
Speaker 1: member of the media that didn't have them finishing fourth
Speaker 1: of the division? I mean, and by the way, me too,
Speaker 1: guilty as charged, and I covered the NFC North and
Speaker 1: I've said that Kevin O'Connell's an awesome coach for seven
Speaker 1: years like five years whatever it's been, Like, so, can
Speaker 1: I see Gino hoisting a Lombardi Trophy maybe, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's not an anti Geno point for me to say no,
Speaker 1: Like is the situation good enough for him?
Speaker 2: It's the NFC, it's not the AFC.
Speaker 1: Sure you're right now, here's here's why I love Detroit.
Speaker 1: In that game, though, uh, people were going crazy over
Speaker 1: three and o Seattle and McDonald coming from Baltimore, our
Speaker 1: youngest head coach, their defense, the whole thing. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they had beaten Jacoby bris Bo, Nicks and Skyler Thompson, right, like,
Speaker 1: can we we Every game matters in the NFL. Every
Speaker 1: week matters. But some teams were judging through the prism
Speaker 1: of four games. Seattle new coach, let's judge them through
Speaker 1: just this season. Minnesota new quarterback, Let's judge them just
Speaker 1: through the prism of this season. But I judge Detroit,
Speaker 1: same head coach, same offensive coordinator, same offensive line, same quarterback,
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. I'm on Ross Saint Brown, Laporta, Gibbs, Montgomery.
Speaker 1: It's the same team that last year lost by three
Speaker 1: to the Niners in the NFC Championship Game. And it
Speaker 1: was one of the five best teams in the NFL
Speaker 1: all season. Like they have a twenty plus game body
Speaker 1: of work to me of being a top five or
Speaker 1: six team in the NFL. Seattle had three games of
Speaker 1: beating bad quarterbacks. So I know that's not exactly an
Speaker 1: answer on Geno Smith, but I also look at that way,
Speaker 1: like Baltimore, I give them the benefit of the doubt, Kansas,
Speaker 1: I give them the benefit of the doubt. Like teams
Speaker 1: that Buffalo. I picked them to win the AFC East.
Speaker 1: They've done it the last four years, like they to me,
Speaker 1: they deserve the benefit of the doubt over some of
Speaker 1: these newcome teams that we're thinking are gonna be the
Speaker 1: hot thing in the moment. So it's the NFC. Gino
Speaker 1: is slinging it, But I need to see them actually
Speaker 1: beat good teams with this defense, with this coach before
Speaker 1: I think that they could go. And I mean, assuming
Speaker 1: you think San Francisco is gonna win that division, they'd
Speaker 1: have to go like at the you know, maybe at Detroit,
Speaker 1: at Green Bay, at San Francisco or something like that
Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. That's just a very very
Speaker 1: tough path. Because I haven't seen them beat good teams yet.
Speaker 2: Time for another edition of Sharper Square. Chad Milman CC
Speaker 2: of the Action Network. All odds provided by DraftKings So,
Speaker 2: Cleveland getting three and a half against Washington, they get
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb back. But I wonder if two things, Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson is washed. Secondly, though they haven't faced great competition,
Speaker 2: Washington's domination of Arizona makes me think, do we have
Speaker 2: the next Lamar Jackson in Washington. There's a certain harmony
Speaker 2: with Cliff Kingsbury and Jade Daniels. It's not like they're
Speaker 2: completing seventy percent of the throws, it's like eighty two.
Speaker 2: So my gut, my history says, Cleveland plus three and
Speaker 2: a half against a rookie quarterback feels like a really
Speaker 2: smart side Sharper Square.
Speaker 6: It's there's gonna be games, Colin, and we've talked about this.
Speaker 6: We'll do the Sharp Calls segment on the Favorites, where
Speaker 6: the wise guys, professional betters will weigh in with their
Speaker 6: feedback on the games that we talk about. We talk
Speaker 6: about them on Tuesday. On Thursday, we go over Sharp
Speaker 6: Calls four or five games this week. Washington is one
Speaker 6: of them. Massive split. The right side is to play
Speaker 6: Cleveland at three and a half. You're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 6: It's not because of the rookie quarterback. Jaden Daniels has
Speaker 6: already proven he's preternaturally gifted, like what he has done
Speaker 6: in the first four weeks of the season is indicative
Speaker 6: of what you will do over the course of a season. Right,
Speaker 6: and his accuracy stats, as you mentioned, they are not
Speaker 6: just good for a rookie, they are good historically in
Speaker 6: the history of quarterbacking. This is a bi low cell
Speaker 6: high situation.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: You want to get off the Commanders right now, because
Speaker 6: they had that big win against the Bengals. Then they
Speaker 6: went and blew out Arizona in a game a lot
Speaker 6: of professional bettles were betting in Arizona. Meanwhile, Cleveland, they're fading.
Speaker 6: The line flipped last week when Max Crosby was out
Speaker 6: and Devonte Adams was out for the Raiders and the
Speaker 6: Browns went from being under dogs to being favorites and
Speaker 6: then they still lost. Here's the challenge, and it's why
Speaker 6: the game is so split, and it's why a lot
Speaker 6: of wise guys are taking the half point, but a
Speaker 6: lot of people they're just passing this offensive line for
Speaker 6: Cleveland is in shambles, and now Ethan Pozick, who was
Speaker 6: the center who went out last week, there are questions
Speaker 6: about his ability to play this week. And they are
Speaker 6: already lacking other offensive linemen that has been killing their
Speaker 6: their running game, which has always been good. Forget about
Speaker 6: Nick Chubb. If David and Joku gonna play. If Djoku plays,
Speaker 6: that makes Deshaun Watson a little bit better. But generally
Speaker 6: this team is struggling at every single position on the
Speaker 6: field defensively as well, like they have not been playing
Speaker 6: well defensively. Miles Garrett has already said he's got injuries
Speaker 6: to his feet that are going to require surgery. To listen,
Speaker 6: I want to bet the Browns so bad in this game.
Speaker 6: I do, I really do, And like I can't pull
Speaker 6: the trigger yet I might, I might, the wise guys
Speaker 6: still might come in.
Speaker 5: It's not one of my favorite plays.
Speaker 2: So I believe two things are true simultaneously. That quarterbacking
Speaker 2: matters more now than ten years ago, and coaching does.
Speaker 2: I think there's a gap in coaching in this league,
Speaker 2: and you're seeing it on a regular basis. I think
Speaker 2: Minnesota has the best coaching staff in the league. Brian
Speaker 2: Flores arguably the best defensive coordinator, where top quarterback C. J.
Speaker 2: Stroud brought pretty acknowledge. I don't know what I saw.
Speaker 2: Minnesota doesn't even have to give off a field goal. Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, massive pressure on a team I think
Speaker 2: is one of the most poorly coached between Nat Hackett
Speaker 2: and Robert Sala. If it's three, I stay away. If
Speaker 2: I only have to swallow two and a half Darnold
Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers, it's a lot closer right now than
Speaker 2: you think. I would swallow the two and a half
Speaker 2: in London and take Minnesota sharper score.
Speaker 6: So historically you're on the right side. I think their
Speaker 6: record for favorites in London just straight up thirty four
Speaker 6: to ten and one, yes, thirty and fifteen against the spread,
Speaker 6: So that is the right side. The wise guys have
Speaker 6: a they can't quit Annion Rodgers. They can't quit the
Speaker 6: Jets right now, so they have been coming in on
Speaker 6: the Jets. But I agree with you, the right side
Speaker 6: is the Viking. It's not it's not a sharp side
Speaker 6: by any measure, but it is the side where you
Speaker 6: probably are going to have a better opportunity because of
Speaker 6: what's happened historically.
Speaker 2: Okay, something that I believed for a long time, a
Speaker 2: little zigzag theory. When a really good team is humiliated
Speaker 2: in a standalone game, take them the following week. Yes,
Speaker 2: Buffalo minus one at Houston without Joe Mixon, C J.
Speaker 2: Strout all you all quarterbacks need run games, young quarterbacks especially,
Speaker 2: It's not quite the same without Joe Mixon. A healthy
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon. Buffalo is an excellent team, much more depth,
Speaker 2: more layered offensively than years before. The linebackers are healthier,
Speaker 2: completely utterly humiliated. I would swallow the point and take
Speaker 2: Buffalo sharper square.
Speaker 5: Square, totally square.
Speaker 6: This is a massive public game where the fans are
Speaker 6: coming in and they love the Bills and normally and
Speaker 6: there are stats to back this up, which I'm sure
Speaker 6: we will get to. You get blown out. You want
Speaker 6: to be the team that is being bet on in
Speaker 6: the next game. Here's what's challenging for this game. Number One,
Speaker 6: the line has flipped. It's gone from Buffalo being the
Speaker 6: underdog Buffalo being the favorite. That is a side where
Speaker 6: you want to be on the underdog. That is a
Speaker 6: historical trend where when the line flips you bet the
Speaker 6: underdog number one, number two on the field. The challenge
Speaker 6: with the Bills is at the middle of their defense,
Speaker 6: from their linebackers to their safeties is just trash.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Matt Milano has been out since before the season started.
Speaker 5: His backup out tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Hamlin is not a top notch safety in the way
Speaker 6: they have had top notch safeties in the past. Nico
Speaker 6: Collins is a game wrecker right now. So CJ. Shroud
Speaker 6: improves his third down efficiency just a little bit and
Speaker 6: will probably have that opportunity to take advantage of the
Speaker 6: middle of the field against that Bill's defense. Then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you're playing yourself out of a game.
Speaker 6: So the wise guys are on the Texans and they're
Speaker 6: hoping to keep getting plus one and a half so
Speaker 6: they can get a little bit of a cushion. But again,
Speaker 6: what's interesting that half point means everything in these games
Speaker 6: where the spreads are between one and four, right, So
Speaker 6: that's a massive, massive edge.
Speaker 2: So Green Bay and I said I didn't bet the
Speaker 2: Packers Vikings because my guess was the two possible outcomes,
Speaker 2: and I actually saw both in the Vikings Packers game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Brian Flores first half against Jordan Love. Jordan looked like
Speaker 2: he hadn't played a lot. Second half gets his feet
Speaker 2: under him. Green Bay pivots at half, and then you
Speaker 2: see the real Packers team that can play with anybody.
Speaker 2: So I think the second half Packers is the team
Speaker 2: I'm getting. There's still a major problem with the Rams.
Speaker 2: With no Pooka and Cooper Cup. They can't get touchdowns
Speaker 2: in the red zone. They have no playmaker. Tyler Higbee
Speaker 2: out Pooka out, Cooper Cup out, Blake Korum not playing much,
Speaker 2: missing their best offensive lineman on the interior. So the Rams,
Speaker 2: even when they outplay you, they're just settling for field goals.
Speaker 2: I think the second half Green Bay team minus three.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a strong play, but I take
Speaker 2: the Packers. There is no home field advantage. It'll be
Speaker 2: sixty five thirty five. Packer fan Sharper Square.
Speaker 6: You have nailed the biggest prose Joe's game on the
Speaker 6: board with the pros playing the Los Angeles Rams. So
Speaker 6: on Tuesday, me and my co host Simon Hunter, you're
Speaker 6: always trying to put us against each other. We like
Speaker 6: to bring we like to bring love to the Volume
Speaker 6: podcast network, but you're trying to, you know, create animosity.
Speaker 2: I like conflict.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you like conflict. Listen, that's why you're a content genius.
Speaker 6: You know, conflict creates really great ratings. I came in
Speaker 6: and I'm like, Simon, the Packers are the side here.
Speaker 6: We saw the second half they were in that game
Speaker 6: against the Vikings. Brian Flores has been making C. J.
Speaker 6: Stroud and brock Purty see ghosts and Jordan love when
Speaker 6: it was coming down to it was right there like
Speaker 6: that was a scary, scary game. If you were a
Speaker 6: Vikings Packer, you got to take the Packers here against
Speaker 6: a team in the Rams that can't put anyone in
Speaker 6: the field.
Speaker 5: Come in to me, it was.
Speaker 6: Don't get cocky, And sure enough, as the week went on,
Speaker 6: this was the game that all the wise guys were
Speaker 6: coming in on. You saw the line move from three
Speaker 6: and a half down to three. Even with all the
Speaker 6: tickets coming in on the Packers, it stayed exactly where
Speaker 6: it is. It's pretty astonishing how much the wise guys
Speaker 6: like the Rams.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 6: I'm going to be on the Rams. I'm hoping that
Speaker 6: I can wait until Sunday and get three and a
Speaker 6: half again. When everybody is coming in and the public
Speaker 6: comes in on the Packers. One stat I can give you,
Speaker 6: and similar to why wise guys are thinking about the Browns,
Speaker 6: is when you're playing a team covering the spread by
Speaker 6: more than five points per game. So then in this
Speaker 6: case the Packers, they only cover about forty five percent
Speaker 6: of the time when facing a team with a win
Speaker 6: percentage of less than sixty. So I know it's a
Speaker 6: lot of numbers, but basically, when bad teams play good teams,
Speaker 6: bad teams cover.
Speaker 2: Giant Seahawks. Rarely have I ever been more impressed with
Speaker 2: a losing team on Monday Night football. So Seattle in Detroit,
Speaker 2: standalone game missing their top four defensive linemen, you knew
Speaker 2: they couldn't stop Detroit. Seattle has two things going for it.
Speaker 2: Their skill players Walker dk Metcalf tight ends Gino's playing.
Speaker 2: I mean he's completing seventy seven percent of his throws,
Speaker 2: and I think Mike McDonald's excellent. They're getting a couple
Speaker 2: of their defensive linemen back New York. If Malik Neighbors
Speaker 2: doesn't play in this environment, I don't know how the
Speaker 2: Giants move the ball. McDonald is really clever and he's
Speaker 2: been really good against average a blow average quarterbacks. I
Speaker 2: came out of that Seahawks game and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: would not want to play them. I think if those
Speaker 2: two teams met again and Seattle was reasonably healthy, I
Speaker 2: wonder if I'd take Seattle. I'm gonna swallow the six.
Speaker 2: I know I'm a dullered, but sharper square.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're a duller because you're on the right side
Speaker 6: at a bad number. And what is the theme of
Speaker 6: today's show, Get the best.
Speaker 5: Of the number? Right?
Speaker 6: This game opened at five, I think maybe five and
Speaker 6: a half. That lasted for maybe seventeen and a half
Speaker 6: seconds before the wise guys took the five and a
Speaker 6: half took the six. By the time most of America
Speaker 6: got up on Monday morning, it was at six and
Speaker 6: a half, where it's been sitting, except for today, where
Speaker 6: it's starting to creep up to seven. You are seeing
Speaker 6: some sevens out there.
Speaker 5: Don't do it.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of games like you're just setting yourself
Speaker 6: up for disaster because there's so much variance in these games,
Speaker 6: and teams that have been seven point favorites or more
Speaker 6: this year are crushing it. So you're hoping there's some aggression,
Speaker 6: but this is like they're eight and five straight up
Speaker 6: this year, so you're really playing with fire to bet
Speaker 6: the worst of the number on a big underdog.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like Pittsburgh minus two and a half of
Speaker 2: the Cowboys TJ Watt against the rookie left tackle. It's
Speaker 2: a standalone game justin fields under Arthur Smith is not
Speaker 2: as turnover prone. And I mean this is a classic
Speaker 2: example to me of what the Steelers can do offensively
Speaker 2: is run the ball, and the Cowboys defensive run defense
Speaker 2: is thirty second in the league. I don't have to
Speaker 2: love the Pittsburgh Steelers offensively, but there are things they're
Speaker 2: excellent at doing. I'm not sure what Dallas does well
Speaker 2: at this point, I would swallow the two and a
Speaker 2: half in Pittsburgh Sharper.
Speaker 6: Square totally sharp wise, guys love this game. It's sort
Speaker 6: of a reverse raw ro on Mike Tomlin spot. Normally
Speaker 6: you don't like back in Mike Tomlin as a favorite, right,
Speaker 6: and we saw that last week. I was all over
Speaker 6: the Colts last week when the Steelers were on the
Speaker 6: road playing in Indie. But he's coming off a loss.
Speaker 6: So even though he's a favorite. It's a good rob
Speaker 6: Ross spot for the coach who has been enormously successful
Speaker 6: motivating his team. But then all, let's look at the field.
Speaker 6: Dallas was already thin and bad defensively. Now they are
Speaker 6: thinner and worse. No Micah Parsons, no DeMarcus Lawrence on offense,
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks is out in the backfield. They really have
Speaker 6: no running game to speak up. From a matchup point
Speaker 6: of view, it lines up perfectly for the Steelers in
Speaker 6: every way they have an edge.
Speaker 5: You want to be able to run the ball.
Speaker 6: You want to get the ball out of Justin Field's hands,
Speaker 6: or you want to peep the ball in his hands
Speaker 6: for RPOs. Arthur Smith, Steelers offensive coordinator, has been amazing
Speaker 6: this year. Ye a game planning to put Justin Fields
Speaker 6: in a position to succeed. The only time it hasn't
Speaker 6: worked is when they were losing and all of a
Speaker 6: sudden he had to start making plays throwing the ball
Speaker 6: down field, and that's when he's fumbling. He's making bad decisions.
Speaker 6: They will likely have a lead in this game. They
Speaker 6: will likely be able to nurse a lead in this game,
Speaker 6: and then it's going to be up to Dak Prescott
Speaker 6: to throw the Cowboys back into the game, and he's
Speaker 6: going to be going against TJ. Watt, and that's when
Speaker 6: the Steelers really cycle up the opportunity to win. So yeah,
Speaker 6: we're all over the Steelers in this game.
Speaker 2: Saints plus five and a half at Kansas City with
Speaker 2: no Rashi Rice. So it's not a great offensive line,
Speaker 2: but check ho still not back, not as format ale
Speaker 2: a run game. You lost your number one receiver. Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy could become a volume receiver, he's certainly not that now.
Speaker 2: I think the Saints can hang around Chiefs to win,
Speaker 2: but five and a half seems really really rich.
Speaker 5: Sharper square, totally sharp.
Speaker 6: The Saints are the right side here, and don't be
Speaker 6: sort of dissuaded by the outings they've had the past
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. They were incredibly unlucky. We've talked about
Speaker 6: the luck rankings on this show, which is basically a
Speaker 6: formula our math geniuses have devised to separate the signal
Speaker 6: from the noise and identify regression either positively or negatively. Right,
Speaker 6: So last week, the last two weeks, the Saints have
Speaker 6: been incredibly unlucky.
Speaker 5: The Chiefs have still been lucky.
Speaker 6: Right, and they will acknowledge that they are playing at
Speaker 6: a higher level than their talent because Patrick Mahomes is
Speaker 6: so much better than everybody else. This is the biggest
Speaker 6: difference in luck we have in our luck rankings this week,
Speaker 6: twenty eight spots separating them that number. If a difference
Speaker 6: in the luck rankings of twenty eight or more sixty
Speaker 6: five percent against the spread, if the team that's unlucky
Speaker 6: is on the road seventy eight percent against the spread,
Speaker 6: I'll throw even more at you, Colin. Think about Patrick
Speaker 6: Mahomes as a favorite of more than a field goal
Speaker 6: under five hundred against the spread. You want to talk
Speaker 6: about Derek Carr. Derek Carr gets a lot of hate
Speaker 6: from everybody, deservedly so, but as an underdog the past
Speaker 6: twenty years, if he is playing a team that scores
Speaker 6: less than twenty one points in a game, he has
Speaker 6: a top five against the spread record. With guys like
Speaker 6: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. How many points a
Speaker 6: game are the Kansas City Chiefs averaging eighteen something like that?
Speaker 6: So the stars are aligning for New Orleans to cover
Speaker 6: against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the over under should be for
Speaker 2: Denver in Las Vegas. But in a game that could
Speaker 2: end up seventeen fourteen, I'm going to take the points
Speaker 2: with the Raiders two and a half against bone Knicks.
Speaker 2: I like bon Nicks. There's limitations. I just don't see
Speaker 2: the points here. I think Denver's defense has actually paid
Speaker 2: really well and I think it will hold brock Bauers
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams. I don't think that trade happens till after
Speaker 2: this weekend. I have to take the points here with
Speaker 2: the Raiders in a division rivalry game. Sharper Square.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why you do take the points is because
Speaker 6: it's a division rivalry game. Because why would you take
Speaker 6: a rookie quarterback as a favorite when he just came
Speaker 6: off a game where he literally had the most putrid
Speaker 6: offensive stats that have happened since the nineteen sixties. You know,
Speaker 6: minus seven yards passing at one point. But the challenge
Speaker 6: here and the wise guys are totally split, so you're
Speaker 6: not going to get like a definitive Sharper Square.
Speaker 5: Personally, I have bet the Raiders.
Speaker 6: At plus two and a half, but I know a
Speaker 6: lot of guys who are taking the Broncos their defense
Speaker 6: isn't just good, their defense is elite, like they're playing
Speaker 6: at a top five level. And you're going against a
Speaker 6: Raiders team where Max Crosby we still don't know what
Speaker 6: kind of health he will be in for the game.
Speaker 6: They have offensive line issues as well. Obviously Devonte Adams
Speaker 6: will not be playing in that game. I don't know
Speaker 6: that that matters to me. That's not a reason to
Speaker 6: bet or not bet. But I do think Gardner Mischeu
Speaker 6: under pressure about sixty two percent QBR. When he's not
Speaker 6: under pressure, he's in the nineties. So something the Broncos
Speaker 6: do really well is pressure the quarterback top five, So
Speaker 6: that's going to be a challenge. I think I'm still
Speaker 6: going to be on the Raiders because ultimately I like
Speaker 6: the trend of betting the division the dogs in the division.
Speaker 5: But it's a tricky one. It's not like a definitive
Speaker 5: Sharper square.
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