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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the It Girl Podcast. I'm here

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Speaker 1: with Olivia Jones.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. You look so beautiful, such a

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Speaker 1: stunning queen. Okay, so I want to start at the

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Speaker 1: beginning with you. Okay, what did you think your life

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Speaker 1: was going to look like when you were younger? And

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Speaker 1: how different is it now where you ended up?

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a veterinarian growing up because I

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Speaker 3: worked my So I went to a boarding school upstate

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Speaker 3: New York called Milbrook. And when you're a freshman, you

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Speaker 3: have to work at the zoo that's on campus. And

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Speaker 3: the zoo, yeah, we have to see and they have

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Speaker 3: like like red pandas EMUs, wallabies, bobcats, foxes. It's crazy. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: looking back, I'm like, why was a fourteen year old

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Speaker 3: taking care of a bobcat? That's crazy? Yeah, But I

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Speaker 3: just like fell in love with it. And I became

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Speaker 3: like a zoo creator, which means that like you become

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Speaker 3: in charge of like different sections. So when like a

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Speaker 3: kid doesn't feed the animals, like you feed them instead.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I thought I was gonna be a

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Speaker 3: veterinarian and realized how difficult it was, and fell in

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Speaker 3: love with photography, so I thought, you know, going into

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Speaker 3: college going to Parsons, that I was gonna be a photographer.

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Speaker 3: And then posted my grandmother's clothing online on TikTok and

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Speaker 3: someone found it posted on Twitter and it just like

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Speaker 3: blew up. And now I'm a social media content creator,

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Speaker 3: which is like something I never expected and honestly at

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Speaker 3: times like freaks me out.

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Speaker 1: What freaks you out about it?

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Speaker 3: I think when everything started to go viral people because

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Speaker 3: I didn't like talk about who my grandmother was, people

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Speaker 3: ended up finding who she was and like posting her

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Speaker 3: obituary and like super invasive stuff, and I think that

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Speaker 3: was just not something I would have ever imagined what happened.

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Speaker 3: And then also when like I like when I would

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Speaker 3: go on dates, people would come up to me and

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Speaker 3: like threaten whoever I was on a date, like if

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Speaker 3: you hurt her, like we'll find you, and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: just like that. Parasols relationship can be kind of scary

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Speaker 3: at times. It does.

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Speaker 1: It gets weird. I feel like there's a threshold of

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Speaker 1: like how big you get and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you like I recently passed the little ledge where I

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Speaker 1: was like, and we're getting weird, and it's it is,

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Speaker 1: it's truly scary. And people, Yeah, I moved and people

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Speaker 1: just was like, oh my god, I've crossed the point.

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Speaker 1: I've crossed the point. Yeah, and people like coming sitting

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Speaker 1: is so weird. Was there a moment where you realized

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Speaker 1: your taste and your perspective could actually become your career

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Speaker 1: because I feel like you're really known for your exquisite taste.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I honestly like I think my taste

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Speaker 3: and they're just like my style is always evolving, and

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, inheriting my grandmother's and feeling this

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Speaker 3: like deep responsibility to continue on in her legacy and

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Speaker 3: just like wear her clothing, I lost like my personal

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Speaker 3: style through it because I thought, like every day I

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Speaker 3: have to wear something of hers, and through that, like

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Speaker 3: I was just putting on the weirdest outfits because I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to wear her clothing. And then nowadays, I

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Speaker 3: I'm honestly like, starting from day one, and trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out who I am, And so I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I've really gotten to a point where it's like

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Speaker 3: changing people's perspective lives, you know, Yeah, does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: I do feel like it's really hard to find your

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Speaker 3: Especially like social media and like trends happening every day,

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Speaker 3: and you're just like, if I don't hop on this trend, like,

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Speaker 3: am I going to miss out? Or am I going

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Speaker 3: to be like forgotten about? But I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I only I try to only buy into trends that

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Speaker 3: I actually like instead of like feeling forced to do

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Speaker 3: it just because like I want to not be forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that was there a point where you

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Speaker 1: started becoming more intentional about the jobs that you wanted

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think honestly, this past year, even though it's

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Speaker 3: like only like may, so much has happened in my

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Speaker 3: life in terms of like health, And I was also

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Speaker 3: like at the beginning of the year so burnt out,

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Speaker 3: and then on top of that, just like you know,

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Speaker 3: I realized that, you know, I was always like in

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Speaker 3: this sphere of if I don't say yes this job,

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Speaker 3: what if like one day everything stops. But as a

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Speaker 3: result of like always saying yes, I realized the impact

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Speaker 3: and just like how drained I was feeling. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think having a good support system like the agency

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Speaker 3: that part of portrait, I was able to have a

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Speaker 3: conversation with them, and girl, they really if they were like,

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Speaker 3: your mental health is like the most important thing, and

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Speaker 3: you do not have to say us. You are in

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Speaker 3: high demand and you are an incredible person. You know

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Speaker 3: you might say no to this job doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: no jobs are going to come afterwards. So I think,

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Speaker 3: now we have a conversation. Whenever I get an opportunity

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Speaker 3: or brand wants to work with me, if it doesn't

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Speaker 3: make me truly happy and excited, then I say no

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Speaker 3: to it. And I try to stick to like four

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Speaker 3: brand deals a month so I can actually like invest

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Speaker 3: more time into making them as great as possible and

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Speaker 3: not just like just do shoot tooo tooo choo. I

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Speaker 3: also feel like I want to look back at and

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Speaker 3: see whatever brand I was working with that I was

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Speaker 3: proud to be working with them and not just like

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Speaker 3: a paycheck, especially when like they have a lot of

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Speaker 3: like controversy and just you know, racism behind them, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't want to support them. And honestly, like I

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Speaker 3: always think about it if I had a child, would

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Speaker 3: proud of me if I worked with these brands? Or

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Speaker 3: would she be like why did you do this? You know,

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Speaker 3: like you kind of sold yourself out and I don't

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Speaker 3: ever want to be perceived as that.

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Speaker 1: Or it is really hard to say no when you

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Speaker 1: work for yourself because you just never know when something's

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Speaker 1: coming next You think you're like I'm saying no to this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's ten grand I'm saying no to this, but

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Speaker 1: next month something ails will come and then maybe it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you like should I have said yes?

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Speaker 1: So that it is really hard to Your money is

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Speaker 1: always coming from somewhere else, somewhere different, and so it's

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Speaker 1: not like a consistent thing where you're like I go

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Speaker 1: here it comes. It's like you have to say I've

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Speaker 1: definitely said yes things where I was like I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was like my favorite association of my life,

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Speaker 1: but you just don't. You don't know, You just don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't know. It's so inconsistent. It changes all the time,

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Speaker 1: and then other people pop up, and it's just so

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Speaker 1: it's so up and down. So yeah, yeah, it takes

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Speaker 1: a lot to say no when you never know where

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Speaker 1: your next paycheck is coming from. But I do think

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Speaker 1: setting a limit on brand deals is important too, because

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Speaker 1: I've I've had months where I've done fifteen. Then I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not only am I exhausted, but I have like

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Speaker 1: no sense of self yeah whatsoever?

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Speaker 3: I completely it just.

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Speaker 1: Takes a lot away from you because you are your brand,

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Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like I've sold a bit

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Speaker 1: of myself. It's just, yeah, your content feels very intentional,

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Speaker 1: but not overdone. How would you describe your relationship with

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Speaker 1: your personal style right now? I know you said you

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Speaker 3: Of the Yes, Honestly, I think I am sarty, like

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Speaker 3: I love like whims of coal dressing. I think that

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Speaker 3: I get so bored becond social media and saying like

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Speaker 3: the same type of outfits over and over again, and

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Speaker 3: just like not like I want to have fun with

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Speaker 3: my clothing, like I want to experiment and like even

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Speaker 3: like the pants that I'm wearing. When you see them,

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Speaker 3: they're like I love that, and even like my shoes,

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Speaker 3: like I want to, especially like when I'm not feeling

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Speaker 3: my best, I like to then dress loud and proud,

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Speaker 3: and I think on top of that, I prioritize dressing comfortably.

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Speaker 3: I hate when I like I would dress like in

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Speaker 3: tight clothes and just either revealing clothes because it was

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Speaker 3: like trending and I didn't feel like myself. And so

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Speaker 3: now I like to dress with color, different patterns, different

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Speaker 3: like tex textures, and comfortable, like in cozy.

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Speaker 1: What are some things that you do to hone your taste?

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Speaker 1: Are you like a bank pinterest girly? Do you find

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Speaker 1: inspiration from art? What do you do to refine your taste?

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Speaker 3: I try to be like a pinterest girly, but then

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I have to like spend money, yeah,

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Speaker 3: achieve the outfits that I want. And honestly, it's just

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Speaker 3: like I've been rewatching girlfriends and tray Elis Ross is

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Speaker 3: like looking at her old alpha and getting inspiration from that,

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Speaker 3: even just like the entire cast of girlfriends. I'm just

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Speaker 3: in love with how they dress.

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Speaker 1: And just like such underrated style. We talk about sex

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Speaker 1: and the city, but we never talked about girlfriends exactly.

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Speaker 1: I agree completely, Yeah, no, such great style. What is

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Speaker 1: something that feels instantly chic to you, even if it's something.

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Speaker 3: Simple, honestly, a good pair of blue jeans? Yes, like,

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Speaker 3: oh when it just like hugs you perfectly. It's like

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Speaker 3: not too tight, but just like makes your butt not

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Speaker 3: like a pancake, and it's just I love it, like

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Speaker 3: I'm literally I was doing the spring cleaning and I

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Speaker 3: counted forty eight pairs of blue jeans in my closet,

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Speaker 3: which is really bad in sane, but I have like

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Speaker 3: an addiction to it. I need to find like the

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Speaker 3: perfect vintage Levi's.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every girl though, has like their uniform. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is that your favorite vintage Levi's. That's your favorite jeans?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Nearly love ten? Okay, they're like tall girl friendly and

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Speaker 3: they I love the way that they fit me per

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Speaker 3: directly and they make my butt like a.

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Speaker 1: Little I have to try these because I've heard a

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Speaker 1: few girls say yea, and I've never had a pair.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have to try.

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Speaker 1: What's one thing that a woman can do that instantly

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Speaker 1: elevates her presence, but it doesn't require spending any money.

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Speaker 1: What are some things that you can do that are

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Speaker 1: free to just make yourself a little bit more chic.

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Speaker 3: Steaming your clothes, I it makes a world of a

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Speaker 3: difference and something that like especially like we kind of

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Speaker 3: forget about, but just doing that just elevates your clothes

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Speaker 3: and just like makes you look more put together and polished.

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Speaker 3: And then honestly, fixing your posture. I think that I know,

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Speaker 3: like I've noticed when I have film even like the

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Speaker 3: way that I walk sometimes I know it's terrifying. But

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Speaker 3: then like just like when you and you fix your posture,

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Speaker 3: you just command a different level of respect in the

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Speaker 3: just like helps you feel better. I know. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I just my.

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Speaker 1: Therapist always talks to me about like embodiment and like

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Speaker 1: being in your body, and I feel like it's like

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Speaker 1: I'll be filming something and I'll see myself sitting down

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Speaker 3: Lesson saving money. I think that you know because we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also people are as really nice on the

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Speaker 1: So so weird. Just another thing men do that's aerrocious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's something you've learned about yourself through your work? Is

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think being in this industry, especially as like

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Speaker 3: I was never sitting in my accomplishments. I always thought that, like,

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Speaker 3: Like can we just appreciate that? And so I think,

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Speaker 1: I love that idea to commemorate everything. I have pieces

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Speaker 2: More and more and more and more and more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not doing enough. You're not doing enough, and

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Speaker 1: like you're comparing itself constantly. Yeah, constantly. That's incredible. Congrats

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Speaker 1: What do you think gives someone lasting relevance in this industry?

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Speaker 1: I agree you one thousand percent, but I've meet so

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Speaker 3: I think I think fake it till you make it,

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Speaker 3: like not listening to anyone else.

436
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: I get asked the most, like do a podcast on

437
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,959
Speaker 1: confidence advice, like talk about confidence, and I'm just like

438
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: everyone is insecure and everyone and once you realize that

439
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: if you just do whatever you want, if you don't care,

440
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: you take all the power out of it. Like I

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: really don't care, and I'm like, there's no I'm like,

442
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: it's not even confidence, it's literally like lack of caring.

443
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just genuinely don't care. When someone says

444
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: they don't like something, or tell me to do something,

445
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: or it says change this, I'm just like, no, I

446
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: don't care. I want to.

447
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: I agree.

448
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: I obviously did it. I obviously wanted to.

449
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think also like being on lexipro has

450
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: like prozac.

451
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, Oh my god, I'm.

452
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: Like, is this how people act all the time. I'm like,

453
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is amazing.

454
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: It is nice.

455
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: It's nice. It's like, you know, it's nice.

456
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: It's like I don't have worries like I like I

457
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: would sometimes like i'd be crippling anxiety. And now I'm

458
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: just like, wait, girl, it is not that deep. It

459
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: does not matter.

460
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: It does not matter. It true does not matter. What

461
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: is something you've realized matters much less to you than

462
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: you thought it would as you've gotten a little bit older.

463
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I used to not be able to

464
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: leave the house without wearing makeup.

465
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's a big thing.

466
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like yeah, having like my hair done

467
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: or being put together, and yeah, no, I stopped caring

468
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: about that and like stop having to get all dressed

469
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: up and honestly just like going to events without wearing makeup.

470
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: Has like been such even though wearing makeup right now,

471
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: but light makeup. But I used to do like a

472
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: whole beat down all the time and like just like

473
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: stripping out away and like people could not tell the difference.

474
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, it's not that deep. Yeah, it's like,

475
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: why am I irritating my skin? I had acney for

476
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: someone like that can't even tell the difference if I'm

477
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: wearing makeup or not. It's like, I'm fine.

478
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: You're also naturally very stunning. I feel like that helps.

479
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: He also just naturally perfect, which I feel.

480
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: Like I got to think my dermatogis for that.

481
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: Oh, I need a good dermatologist, so I need I

482
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: need your tip. Do you have a facialist in New York?

483
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a couple.

484
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite. I like to give the girlies Rex.

485
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: Sophie have a Okay, yes she is, so she really

486
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 4: walks you through everything and just like I feel safe

487
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 4: when I'm around her, and I like that.

488
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Okay, that's good.

489
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: Here there's your rec girlies. I love to give the

490
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: facialist rexs to the girls. What part of your life

491
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: feels the most fulfilling right now outside of work.

492
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: Oh, last night I made trakatcha for the first time ever,

493
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: I think I saw.

494
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: With the tomatoes.

495
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: It was beautiful, thank you, almost beautiful, I have been.

496
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: And I also made lamp and like a Greek seasoning

497
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: with like lemon wedges. I think cooking. I've fallen back

498
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: in love with it, and just it really gets me

499
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: off of my phone and just like off of social

500
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: media and just like present and just I love I've

501
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: been I've been rewatching all the Harry Potter movies and

502
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: so I just like to put Harry Potter and like

503
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: the TV and just like start cooking and like have

504
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: that's of wine or like a club soda and just

505
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 3: like get in the zone. And that to me has

506
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: been so fulfilling.

507
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: And just there's your embodiment. You're like in your body.

508
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: You're not doing other things. You're like in the moment

509
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: what you're calling.

510
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: I'm just like present and just also getting cookbooks. Why

511
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: are cookbooks on your phone? No? Yes, slip the page

512
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: like just highlight it. And then my boyfriend for my

513
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: birthday got me a cookbook, but like one that I

514
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: can write in for my own recipes. And so that's

515
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 3: what I've been doing. And then I invite some of

516
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: his friends over and they'll rate my food and they

517
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 3: have I feel like writing like on the in the

518
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: cookbook and so like I'll like write notes and like

519
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: they'll give me feedback, and just like that it has

520
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: been really rewarded.

521
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: I love a physical cookbook.

522
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I can't do anything with it on my phone. It's

523
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: just so unnatural. Like my grandmother, I think about her

524
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: cooking and I'm like she had like pieces of paper

525
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: sprawled out all over the place, like that's how it

526
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: should be.

527
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: And I have my grandmother's old cookbook and like I

528
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: will like flip through it and I'll see her notes

529
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: and I just like love that. I love just like

530
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: being able to have it be passed down from generation

531
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: to generation, because you can't pass down to like a

532
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: phone like that. Like what we did the Facaca was beautiful.

533
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I remembered it. I was like, wait, I saw this

534
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: for Katcha because I del.

535
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 3: I like FaceTime to everyone. I was literally was like

536
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: geeked out. I couldn't believe it.

537
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: That's such an important Again, my therapist says, that's such

538
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: an important thing, is to have something that you do

539
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: with your hands, that that pulls you into the moment.

540
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: So I started doing pottery. That was my thing, that

541
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: which I actually let go. I'll tell you after because

542
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: people asking that, I'm like, I don't need people crushing

543
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: my pottery glasses, but I will tell you where it is.

544
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: But I found a beautiful place and I love it

545
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: and it's my favorite activity and I really do think

546
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: it's changed my life. And it is like I constantly

547
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: am thinking, this is what she's talking about. This is

548
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: the embodiment. Like I am focused right now, I am

549
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: right here, I don't even know where my phone is.

550
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it. And it's one of those

551
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: things like with cooking, you have to be in the

552
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: moment because you'll burn it, you'll forget something, you'll leave

553
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: something out. Pottery is the same way you start going

554
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: too fast or you start checking out, you destroy it.

555
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: Like you have to be focused on it. And that's

556
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's really really amazing. How do you protect

557
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: your creativity when your work is so public facing, Cause

558
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially looking at your content, you really

559
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: are a creative, like you are a content creator, but

560
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: it's more than that. There's such a creativity to it.

561
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: So how do you protect it and stay true to

562
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: it when it like it is so over consumed.

563
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: I think like having a photography like background. My mind

564
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: is always racing with like creative ideas. But honestly, I

565
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: feel like I tag I just like black out and

566
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: just like do and I honestly just do like a

567
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: one take, one take wonder. I feel like that like

568
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: the most authentic version of yourself. I don't do scripts

569
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 3: unless it's like a brand deal, and I just love

570
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: to yap yeah, and I just do whatever is like flowing,

571
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: you know, or like whatever's in the moment. But I

572
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: also like I don't really care about like copying, like

573
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: if someone wants to copy my videos, like I guess

574
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: like that's it is what it is, Like, I don't know.

575
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: I never like, oh my god, like when people would

576
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: always like people always like tag me and like other

577
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: creators like unboxing videos of their grandmother's belongings as though

578
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: like I am like the only person that can do

579
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: that on the Internet. I'm like, guys, everyone has a grandma. Yeah,

580
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: Like it's not just me that can do an in

581
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: boxing video and like do a clothing hall of that,

582
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: like it let them be.

583
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: It's what a great thing to leave behind too, Like

584
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: what a great thing to inspire, like going inspiring people

585
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: to go back to their grandma. Like there's people that

586
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: inspire horrible, Like there's those stupid TikTok challenges that like, god,

587
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand, lead to the dumbest things in the world. Again,

588
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: I love that your legacy is like going back to

589
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: your grandmother's things and like appreciating your ancestors and like

590
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: appreciating their style and their belongings. I think that's a

591
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: great If people are going to copy that, that's ten

592
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: times better than anything else, like a copy.

593
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 3: And it's also more sustainable.

594
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, stainability, baby, we love it. Is there

595
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: anything creatively that you now feel ready to outgrow?

596
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: I think so. I feel like I'm still like always

597
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: like learning and adapting and like changing and like all

598
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: revisit things like months down the line and think, way,

599
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm not done, or like I need to like just

600
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: revise that, and I'm not really happy with how it

601
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: turned out. I want to redo it, you know, or

602
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 3: just grow from it.

603
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: What do you hope people feel when they're around you

604
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: or when they're consuming your content?

605
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: I think like I want them to like I I'm

606
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: like who I am on social media as well as

607
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: in person. I think like when people have come up

608
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: to me that like follow me, they get surprised about

609
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: how nice I am or just like how the same

610
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: I am, and like I just never understood like how

611
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: you could be different from the two and also just

612
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: like comfortable. I think like I wouldn't be where I

613
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: am today if it weren't for the people that follow me.

614
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: And it's like I don't understand like being disrespectful to

615
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: them in person, like I have to be grateful, you know.

616
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So did you see the James Charles video that

617
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: happened today? God, I literally saw that this morning and

618
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my god, we don't have

619
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: to talk about him, but I just was.

620
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: Like, oh, like how many times this is? Man? I

621
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: have to get canceled? I know, also stop watching his videos,

622
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: like I don't. I don't understand.

623
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: I was literally like, what, like what like give back

624
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: to these people?

625
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: What is wrong with fel It's like it doesn't take

626
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: that much to just be kind and like you have

627
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: the money because like then he posts like his silly.

628
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Like and I'm like he has money that I'm like,

629
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: where did you even get this money? You haven't even

630
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: done anything really, Like, I don't money came from ten

631
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: years ago. So I'm like, give it away, man, literally

632
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: give it away. What is a creative direction you're excited

633
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: about right now?

634
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Oh? I am in the beginning stages of creating a

635
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: coffee table book. Wow. Yeah, with all of my grandma's clothing,

636
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: and because I'm a photographer, I'll photograph it. But then

637
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: like having like my mom, my sister, and my cousins,

638
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: like my female cousins and their daughters wearing her clothing,

639
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: and then you know, either being in their house like

640
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: in a studio just and then also writing different like

641
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: letters about my grandmother and like whatever piece that like

642
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: clothing piece at like they have a speaks to them,

643
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: just like talking about those memories. And so yeah, I'm

644
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: really excited about that.

645
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. What a legacy. I love that. Oh

646
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: my gosh, Well my next question that might be your answer,

647
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: but what is your dream project? That that would be

648
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: my dream project too.

649
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, I'm so excited.

650
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Is there a version of success that you're

651
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: moving towards now that looks different than a version you

652
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: chased in your early twenties.

653
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Honestly, I'm also in the beginning stages of getting

654
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: a house upstate New York.

655
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

656
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: And I didn't think that that was going to be me.

657
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna be in New York City

658
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: forever and like in a little like brown Stone and

659
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, getting old here. But I honestly crave grass, yeah,

660
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: and like walking get it in my apartment and not

661
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: smelling trash.

662
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

663
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: And I think also like growing up in Nica suburbs

664
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: and you know, like my like my early memories I

665
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: have of like with my mom was walking in her

666
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: garden and she would have like every spring there would

667
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: be a family of bunnies and like picking them up

668
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: and just like helping my mom collect the tomatoes and

669
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: the beans and things of that sort. And just I

670
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: want that. I also love horseback riding, and so I

671
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: want to buy retired race horses or just like horses

672
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: in general that were either going to be put down

673
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: or just you know, they're past the point of being

674
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: ridden and just like have them like live there last years,

675
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: just like on a pasture and just enjoy them from far.

676
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I love horses. I love, love love horseback riding and

677
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: I love Yes, that sounds like a dream. Oh my gosh,

678
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I need to do this. This sounds like unbelievable. I know,

679
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: New York. You gotta have somewhere else to go, you

680
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: you simply must. What advice would you give to any

681
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: woman who maybe feel behind in life?

682
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Right now?

683
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: We are all on our own journey and path, And

684
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: I think something that I always forget is that you know,

685
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: one person might be having success right now, but that

686
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you aren't going to have it, and

687
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: we are all our own path. You know it will

688
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: come in due time, when you are ready. And I

689
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: think that something is like really important to remember, especially

690
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: like being on social media constantly and seeing everyone you

691
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: know showcasing their highlight reel of like whatever success is

692
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: happening behind closed doors, you really don't know what's happening,

693
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: and you cannot compare yourself to others in that aspect,

694
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: and like, your time will come, and just stay true

695
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: to what you believe and continue down that road and

696
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: don't give up and it will happen.

697
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Fabulous advice. When you imagine the woman you'll be in

698
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: ten years, what do you.

699
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: Hope feels different about your life.

700
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: I am more relaxed.

701
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Not I need that too, truly, Yeah, I need that desperately.

702
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: If someone listened to this episode and took away one

703
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: thing from your perspective on life, style, ambition, what would

704
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: you want it to be.

705
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: It's not that deep. Yeah, I think that we are

706
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: so accustomed to like everything being like the end of

707
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: the world, and it's not that deep. Take every day

708
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: for like step by step and it's okay, you got

709
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: it and you don't have to have life figured out.

710
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: We're young. I think we're all like so scared to

711
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: turn thirty and we're like, my life is over once

712
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 3: we turn thirty. It's not. Don't worry.

713
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: No, twenty thirty is the best thing that ever happened.

714
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

715
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I love it.

716
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm not there, I'm twenty eight, but like I'm

717
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: like amazing.

718
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

719
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: My mom's like, no one takes you seriously and tell

720
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: you you're thirty two. Okay.

721
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: I feel like I know so much more about life

722
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like confident and like I don't care,

723
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: And I just feel like that came with age. Like

724
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I always ask I'm like how old are you and

725
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm twenty eight. I'm twenty nine, and I'm

726
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: like that's why, just yeah, and like I promise you

727
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: just wait, give it two years.

728
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: And I think everyone is like getting married and you're

729
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: falling like you feel like you're falling behind or like

730
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: having kids, and I'm like, wait, I'm a child, Like

731
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: if I got married right now, I'm like, I'm a

732
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: child bride like a.

733
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Matter of life.

734
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one and I still feel the way.

735
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah married, I'm like, dyo, No, I.

736
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Feel the exact same way. I'm literally like I can't

737
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: have a baby.

738
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: I'm twelve, I know, literally and I'm like, no, I

739
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: can't even see myself in a wedding dress with that

740
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: like hyperventilation. I feel my child.

741
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

742
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I feel the idea of it, like when I see

743
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: people posting their wedding things and literally like hives hide.

744
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah no no.

745
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: Like everyone keeps asking me, like me and my boyfriend

746
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: are living together. I'm like, no, I don't. I'm not

747
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: ready for that. Yeah, Like I love him and I

748
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: want to marry him one day, but I'm like I

749
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: love just like coming home to an empty house with

750
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: my two dogs, kicking up my feet watching Harry Potter

751
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: and not tall to any.

752
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: Terrified of the idea of living with a man again. Terrified.

753
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: I used to love it.

754
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: I would always live with my boyfriends, Like we would

755
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: be living together within three months. Every boyfriend, I'm like,

756
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: move in, move in. Yeah, I loved it. And now

757
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, what would I do if

758
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: I came home and you were there?

759
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Yeah? And then also like I have

760
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: enough clothes, Now, why am I then carving space out

761
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: of like my apartment for you? And then like putting

762
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: my clothes on the floor because I have no word

763
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: to like put it in.

764
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Like my bed, I'm like I need toll bed. Yes,

765
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I had the whole bed for almost three years.

766
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: I was like, God, that like happy to me. Last

767
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: night I was like cuddling with my boyfriend. And then

768
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: like he just like runs at such a hot yeah,

769
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: and like I'm like cracking the windows open. I'm like

770
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: trying to put a foot out the bed, like trying

771
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: to just like feel no, and he just like I

772
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: like sleep in a queen bed and he will go

773
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: right up against me and I'm on the corner just

774
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: like pencil and I'm like, what are we doing here?

775
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: And I will push him to the other side and

776
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: he will just like roll over to me and I'm

777
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: like I have to do that, yes, forever, And then

778
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: he talks to sleep most terrifying.

779
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean when people do that.

780
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: It happened to me last night. I like, went to

781
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: the bathroom, came back and she starts like mumbling, and

782
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, what did I wake you? He goes like

783
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: fire fire stopper, and I'm like what are you? Like,

784
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: what the hello?

785
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

786
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: You know, I was like, I can't do this.

787
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't sleep next to her possessed demon. I know

788
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: I can't. That's terrified.

789
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: Let's take that mouth up, Let's do some little milk.

790
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: It freaks me out. When people talking about sleep freaks

791
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: me out. It feels like they're like doing something bad.

792
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what are you saying?

793
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: A spell?

794
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: What's happening now?

795
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: And there are moments where like he'll fall asleep in

796
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: the couch when we're watching a movie and I will

797
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: wake him up, but he's like not awake. He's not awake,

798
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: and he will just like just a zombie walk to bed,

799
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: mumbling things. I'm like this is terrifying. I I'm scared,

800
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 3: like I can't do this. So no, I'm not ready

801
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: for any.

802
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Of Keep him out of your house. I don't like

803
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. Don't let him move in. What is

804
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: something you want to speak into existence? It can be anything.

805
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: It can be a career goal, it could be about

806
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: your new house. Just something you want to speak into

807
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: existence here on the podcast.

808
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's so hard. I feel like I speak a

809
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 3: lot of things into existence, but I'd never say it

810
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: like on such a public place. But I honestly, by

811
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: the time I turn thirty, I will have a house

812
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: up state, and I will have my mini cows and

813
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 3: my horses and my chickens, and I will have that book.

814
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: Yes'm I've been saying by the time I'm like forty,

815
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: I think it gives me enough time. And I think

816
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: when it comes to like books like that, you don't

817
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 3: want to rush them, and especially when you're photographing them,

818
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: you want to take your time and really have it be.

819
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: You only get like one chance to make it.

820
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want to redo it, so I

821
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: love it.

822
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Last question, who do you think is the ultimate

823
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: it girl? And why does she inspire you, and it

824
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: can be a few. It doesn't have to just be one. Honestly,

825
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: your grandmother has to go on there.

826
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: Oh yes, of course my grandmother. She was definitely the girl.

827
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you saw the Chanel.

828
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Bag, gorgeous, Chell gagged.

829
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: Also, I just love that she earned her money as

830
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: a businesswoman. It was from her brain, you know. And

831
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: I think when we talk about like black excellence, it's

832
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: like rarely because of education as a contributing factor to wealth.

833
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: I think we always are seeing like you know, singers,

834
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: movie stars are like you're marrying into it. But I

835
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: think the fact that my grandmother did that because she

836
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: went to Spelman and just got an education and just

837
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: is an incredible And she was such a kind hearted woman.

838
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: I think that I never really talked about that enough.

839
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: She gave back and she never wanted anything in return.

840
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: She did it out of kindness of her heart. And

841
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: that was something I marveled like. She was a strong

842
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: at times scary, but never rude. It was just like stern,

843
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: like she knew that she just needed to be hurt

844
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: in command of room. So I think she's ultimately girl.

845
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: I think another ultimate girl has to be Tracy Ellis Ross.

846
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: Not only do I love her fashion, her movies, the girlfriends,

847
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: but I just love the fact that she like she's

848
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: never been married, has no kids and single icon yeah,

849
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: and I think like people are so terrified of that

850
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: and the fact that she's like embracing it. I'm excited

851
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: for her new eyewear brand. Tracy, if you're watching this,

852
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: I need a.

853
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Pair everyone, Tracy for watching this.

854
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: Come on, come on the show too. Okay. Everyone always

855
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: says I look like her, and I feel like that's

856
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: like the you do highest form of like. But I

857
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: was like, I need them glasses. But I think just

858
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: like her, Like I used to like read in like tabloids,

859
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: how people would just like shame her for like not

860
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: getting married and not having kids. And I'm like, she's

861
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: living her best life.

862
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: She seems free having me like, yeah, like she is stressed,

863
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: she's free, like she lives. She's always going Instagram like

864
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: her in her pool just like living.

865
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, that is life. That is what I aspire,

866
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 3: and that is an IT girl like.

867
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: To Oh fabulous, Okay, I love it. Those are fantastic

868
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: IT girls. Do you want to shout out your socials

869
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: for us?

870
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

871
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Hello.

872
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at Olivia Joan and

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Speaker 3: on TikTok Olivia jone eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I love it, I am at Bailey T. Taylor, and

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Speaker 1: we are at It Girl the series. Olivia, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming. This was such a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: You're so beautiful and creative and wonderful. I'm so wondered

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Speaker 1: to have you and we will be back next week

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Speaker 1: with another girl.

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Speaker 3: Hey girl,