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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Its Ashley and Ben and Zachary Reality. Because we said

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Speaker 3: that we were going to have him back whenever we

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Speaker 3: had breaking news, and we have breaking breakup news.

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Speaker 4: And Ashley, the response was incredible, Oh yes, we gotta

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Speaker 4: have Zachary back. Because even Hannah, as we were starting

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Speaker 4: this thing out, was like, people loved it. We love

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Speaker 4: it. It's so much easier, better, just like cooler to talk

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Speaker 4: about this was Zachary. So there's another good reason, right,

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Speaker 4: it makes sense And the response.

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Speaker 3: Was good, Yeah, and zach It was like minutes after

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Speaker 3: we rapped with you and both other Bachelor and Paradise

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Speaker 3: couples go on Instagram to announce their breakups. Kat and

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Speaker 3: John Henry call off their engagement and then so do

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Speaker 3: Aaron and Eliza. So can you go through and tell

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Speaker 3: us what you know?

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Speaker 5: That was kind of crazy because it all happened in

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Speaker 5: one day, and I don't think there's ever been a

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Speaker 5: big domino effect this fast. Like I usually, I feel

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Speaker 5: like couples will stay together or maybe pretend to stay

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Speaker 5: together for at least a few months. So to have

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Speaker 5: them all announce breakups within four days of a finale

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Speaker 5: is pretty crazy. So we talked about Avian and Kylie

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Speaker 5: last time, but quickly after we hung up, John Henry

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Speaker 5: and Kat posted a mutual breakup statement, so they did

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Speaker 5: it together, said that they were going their own ways

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Speaker 5: because of career, and then hours later Aaron posted an

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Speaker 5: Instagram story saying, with much love and respect, we mutually

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Speaker 5: decided to break up. And Eliza has not posted anything

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Speaker 5: other than her being in Greece, so she's going rogue.

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Speaker 2: Oh huh, so.

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Speaker 6: That's the latest thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Cat and John Henry thing interesting about career

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Speaker 3: because she's a nurse, he says in a caption which

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Speaker 3: he uh followed up with yesterday.

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Speaker 2: He followed up by saying that.

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Speaker 6: Like she's a nurse practitioner.

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Speaker 3: A nurse practitioner, and that like he doesn't want any

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Speaker 3: like hate thrown anyway, you know, it's like appreciates the

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Speaker 3: kindness and all that. But is she's going to continue

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Speaker 3: her career as a nurse practitioner?

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Speaker 2: Like can't you do it?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's why people were immediately like this does not

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Speaker 5: make sense.

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Speaker 3: Also, isn't she sounds like she's moving to San Diego

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Speaker 3: to be part of that Bachelor of San Diego crew

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Speaker 3: to be closer to La.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, I'm not like.

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Speaker 3: I think they're just like probably weren't compatible enough and

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Speaker 3: they want a little bit of an out.

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Speaker 2: And that's fine.

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Speaker 3: He's obviously going to stay in Virginia where he is

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Speaker 3: going to continue doing his underwater my.

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Speaker 6: Welding, welding, Ben, do you know what that is? A welding?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Can you can you explain it to the gays and

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Speaker 5: the girls who might not understand.

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Speaker 4: The gays and the girls? Is this what they called

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Speaker 4: man's plaining?

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Speaker 6: Like like sometimes sometimes we meet it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I got in trouble for that before.

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Speaker 6: We're on your side this time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah. I mean his job is crazy. Right

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Speaker 4: when I heard this, I wanted him to talk about

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Speaker 4: more and more about what he did for a profession

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Speaker 4: because I grew up in a welding family. My grandfather

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Speaker 4: always welding. You put on the you know, the big mask.

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Speaker 4: People know what that is. And also I'm from Northern

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Speaker 4: Indiana and we have a massive, like you know, welding industry.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to our v's and trailers that we

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Speaker 4: in short, in the simplest terms, when you see metal

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Speaker 4: actually taking and they're using a super hot flame to

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's very dangerous because you're dealing with a

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Speaker 4: also you're usually doing it in a confined environment and

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Speaker 4: And the fact that he does it underwater is that's

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Speaker 3: Taking Like, that's so crazy because he's basically building bridges

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Speaker 4: What that John Henry's the one doing it.

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Speaker 2: Or like all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how do they make those structures? And there's

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Speaker 3: a picture of the two of them out like right

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Speaker 3: next to what I think is the Chessmig Bay tunnel

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Speaker 3: bridge and that thing that structure is like the scariest

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Speaker 2: Google it. It's like a twenty two mile bridge and tunnel.

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Speaker 3: It's a bridge that turns into a tunnel midway through

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Speaker 2: Into a bridge. It's freaky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I mean that's it, so long story short,

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Speaker 4: it's a very impressive profession, one that we should all

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Speaker 4: be like kind of an awe of. And he took

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Speaker 6: See I'm glad, I asked.

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Speaker 5: And there's like a passion for everybody, Like I would

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Speaker 5: never think to do a job like that, but everyone

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Speaker 5: can just do whatever they want.

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Speaker 6: Like that is just insane to me.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, like we were saying, she is a nurse practitioner,

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Speaker 5: So I don't know how their career goals necessarily like

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Speaker 5: to move. She did actually comment.

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Speaker 4: On my mind.

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Speaker 5: You know, it sounds like, yeah, she did actually comment

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Speaker 5: on my TikTok this morning, and she said, psa, we

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Speaker 5: were still together when they told us we were not

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Speaker 5: having a reunion, so they broke up pretty recently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting because here's one of the things from an

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Speaker 4: insight source. Won't mention names here, you know there was.

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Speaker 4: Now people are upset on the kind of the production

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Speaker 4: this would help everything make more sense. If all these

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Speaker 4: couples are going to break up, you know, a reunion

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Speaker 4: would help explain it all. Or the show could explain it.

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Speaker 4: But they canceled a reunion, or they maybe never planned

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Speaker 4: one and they later told the cast that there wasn't, Zachary,

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Speaker 4: I think that's an important point. Do you know any

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Speaker 4: details about kind of how they are when they decided

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Speaker 4: to have a reunion.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't know anything about that. I know that

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Speaker 5: the fans are pissed off that there's no reunion. I

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Speaker 5: know that the reunion played out on social media for

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Speaker 5: to talk about. So I guess that they didn't want one.

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Speaker 5: We can speculate why. Maybe because there was a Golden

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Speaker 5: to back. Maybe there was no happy couples, Maybe there

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Speaker 5: know what the decision why it was made. But I

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Speaker 5: think a lot of the fans would have liked one.

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Speaker 5: And we don't care that there's no happy couples. We

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Speaker 5: just want to see all the stories be told and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on one end, it's like a great season to

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Speaker 3: have one, so you can get the explanation. But at

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Speaker 3: the same time, maybe they were concerned that it would

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Speaker 3: look bad that they go from engagements to a reunion

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Speaker 3: where no one's together. It would have been just see though,

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Speaker 3: it would have been juicy, and that's and that's part

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Speaker 4: Can you I mean not to like capitalize on people's

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Speaker 3: That would be see yeah, like if I'm going to

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Speaker 3: take out the morality of this, that's great TV.

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Speaker 6: But but it would have got away.

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't have known.

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Speaker 5: Would it would have filmed two weeks in advance? Yes,

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Speaker 5: And then she only found out because she posted online.

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Speaker 5: And that's how exactly, that's how the infidelities, you know,

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Speaker 5: came to her mostly right Okay.

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Speaker 3: Another scandal, or so says you know the hardcore fans

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Speaker 3: on social media, is that at the end of the episode,

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Speaker 3: ring all like the where are they now recaps, they

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Speaker 3: left out Becca and Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, did you realize?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't realize. I mean I didn't realize it

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Speaker 4: until now because I never remember.

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Speaker 2: Who didn't realize.

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Speaker 3: There they go through every married couple from Bachelor and

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Speaker 3: Paradise and what has happened to them recently. There's so

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Speaker 3: or two, and then they didn't mention Becca and Thomas

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Speaker 3: getting married and having a baby.

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Speaker 2: Here's my theory.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't have one, so I want to hear you.

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Speaker 3: They've reached out. Sorry if I'm like seeming winded, I

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Speaker 3: have a cold. I cannot breathe.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So they reached out to us last first week of

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Speaker 3: November to get the picture any they've won in many

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Speaker 3: pictures of Jared Dawson and I together for the end recap.

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Speaker 3: And I'm assuming that they needed to have your approval

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Speaker 3: on just being part of the end recap, and that

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Speaker 3: they needed a picture that you submitted on your own

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Speaker 3: behalf so either they didn't reach out to Becka Thomas

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Speaker 3: or my theory is that they did and they did

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Speaker 3: not want to share because they feel like they have

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Speaker 3: been wronged by the show as of late when he got.

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Speaker 2: Dumbed from the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Interesting because I know that they are not happy about that.

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Speaker 4: They have been public about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way they just didn't ask no.

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Speaker 5: And it's also like important to note that they weren't

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Speaker 5: just picking couples who got engaged on TV, because they

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Speaker 5: like a logistical.

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Speaker 2: Thing same like it was like Jared and I were there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you guys got engaged on the show, Like

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Speaker 5: they didn't give the show their engagement or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: It's that's very interesting because Becka and Thomas have I've

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Speaker 4: really had, like, outside of the breakup from the podcast,

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Speaker 4: a really beautiful year one that's been really exciting to follow.

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Speaker 4: And it's been really fun to see their relationship. You know,

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Speaker 4: obviously we've talked about it, but I did Bachelor Live

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Speaker 4: on stage with Becca. I think she's terrific and to

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Speaker 4: see this kind of like new season of her life

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Speaker 4: come in full display in front of us. It's been

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Speaker 4: really fun for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it makes it really sad that they weren't

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Speaker 2: part of that.

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Speaker 6: She's she's not your ex, right, You guys didn't overlap.

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Speaker 4: No, no, we never We never dated. We just co

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Speaker 4: hosted together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: She's with Garrett during the tour and I was with Jess,

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Speaker 4: So we were kind of both and I guess at

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Speaker 4: the time what we thought were our long term relationships.

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Speaker 4: Only one of those survived and the other one ended

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Speaker 3: That was the whole thing on Friday when you weren't here,

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Speaker 6: Well, kat made a story.

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Speaker 2: She made a story that was a happy story.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that's key wording, keywording.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I just feel like it's still there's

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Speaker 5: I think it's a celebration of making it through the

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Speaker 6: So there could be that.

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Speaker 6: But a lot of things happened really fast.

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Speaker 5: I really was not expecting all three of these couples

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Speaker 5: No, Okay, I don't care. I wasn't rooting for any

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Speaker 5: I'm just here for the resolution immediately after the show.

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Speaker 5: We don't have to wait. There's no faking it for

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Speaker 2: So I agree with him.

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Speaker 4: You do. Yeah, I'm not like, you know, we watched

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Speaker 2: I feel validated.

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Speaker 3: I feel validated because I felt nothing from them, and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no heartbreak that we're not crying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's probably a lot of reasons that go

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Speaker 3: Like I know, it sounds sort of bad to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: But Paradise used to be like where the fan favorites.

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Speaker 6: And now there's none of that.

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Speaker 4: There's none of it. And I also think the element

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Speaker 4: These are good people, we just don't know anything about

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Speaker 4: We didn't know these personalities because the only one that

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Speaker 4: any from during this season. I have one last statement

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Speaker 4: I got it yesterday and it said that they were

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Speaker 4: Paradise season did Rachel Rekia very dirty.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why, because it made me love her

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Speaker 4: Well sure as her as a person. However, they felt

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Speaker 4: I think this makes her lovable because it kind of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but she know, she came down as a contestant.

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Speaker 5: I think Rachel, yeah, she was a bachelorette, but her

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Speaker 5: a lot more endearing and chill than maybe in the past.

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Speaker 3: Fair Ashley, you agree, Yeah, I agree with him that

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Speaker 3: like she had to kind of just her pass as

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Speaker 3: bachelorette does not go forward when she's a cast. Okay, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: wait before we go, before we let you go, I

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Speaker 3: do want to get back to Aaron and.

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Speaker 2: Eliza for just a split second.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, do you have any idea what their timeline could

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Speaker 7: have been, because I feel like, you know, they we

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Speaker 7: had the update on at the end of the show

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Speaker 7: that says they're going through some rough waters.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what this ends up.

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Speaker 3: To me, that was kind of like they're already broken up,

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Speaker 3: and that was weeks ago that they put that together.

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Speaker 2: Probably, what do you think any any insight?

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Speaker 5: Well, I definitely know that they broke up like a

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Speaker 5: month ago at least that's kind of when I got

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Speaker 5: the vibes from whatever I've heard. But I kind of

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Speaker 5: think that they maybe she went, maybe she broke up

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Speaker 5: with him pretty quickly after.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember when she.

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Speaker 5: Did the whole thing with Rodney and Justin She couldn't

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Speaker 5: make up her mind and then she had to have

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Speaker 5: the cameras go to Baltimore because her story wasn't done.

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Speaker 6: And then when it.

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Speaker 5: Was Justin and Rodney who were talking about it on

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Speaker 5: a podcast and they were saying how they were like

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Speaker 5: making plans to see her, and she just wouldn't answer,

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Speaker 5: and she was just hard to get a hold of,

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Speaker 5: and like she just wasn't present. Like, so the fact

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Speaker 5: that she's like in Greece and she's not giving us

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Speaker 5: any updates, right, Like she's the only person out of

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Speaker 5: the six people who ended in happy relationships to at

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Speaker 5: least que the fans in on what's going on. There's

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Speaker 5: no reunion, Like I'm glad that Aaron did it for

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Speaker 5: them because he said it was mutual. So I just

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Speaker 5: think Eliza is just very detached and in her and

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Speaker 5: just uninterested and anything Bachelor Nation. I don't even know

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Speaker 5: why she was there. She's just so confusing.

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Speaker 2: Her entire instagram is selfie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it's just a surprising like addition to the

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Speaker 4: beach because we knew last year was really hard on

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Speaker 4: her and that it you know, the show did have

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Speaker 4: to go literally to her house to close out the story.

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Speaker 4: So it was just interesting to see her want agree

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Speaker 4: to go back and too for the show to be like,

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Speaker 4: you are somebody we want back here, because yes, she's

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously a beautiful catch, a great catches, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but just one that maybe doesn't make doesn't help the

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Speaker 4: show out, would be probably the best way to say it.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to storylines.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of funny how much she doesn't care, or

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Speaker 5: at least how it comes across, because it's like she

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Speaker 5: really gives like no fs, Like she just seems so

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Speaker 5: out of this world, Like she just seems like she's

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Speaker 5: like a traveler. She's like whimsical, like I just can't

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Speaker 5: really put my finger on her. But good for her,

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Speaker 5: like in a way too, for being so uninterested that

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Speaker 5: she doesn't even care to comment.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's like, you guys can figure this out

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Speaker 4: on your own. I'm done. Yeah, so good. Well, he Zachary,

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Speaker 4: it's always a blast to have you here. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: coming on again. This will not now be the last time.

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Speaker 4: I think. Once you do it twice, we're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 4: just keep rolling this over if you ever, if you

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Speaker 4: keep agreeing to it. It's always fun to have you.

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Speaker 4: But that's the updates. We got some breakups and from

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Speaker 4: Bachelor in Paradise, no relationships still standing. The season is over.

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Speaker 4: This is probably the last time we'll talk about this season,

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Speaker 4: you know, until next season. We probably get familiar faces.

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Speaker 4: But oh hey, I do have a question for you. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: Blake and Rachel, are they together?

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Speaker 6: No, they're just friends.

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Speaker 7: Dang.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we might have to talk about the season again

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Speaker 5: if any of these people do podcasts in the next

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Speaker 5: week or two, because I don't know if Kylie or

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Speaker 5: Kat are going to have like more to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all hope to have them on, but we

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Speaker 3: also really need to know whether Blake and Kylie are

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Speaker 3: going to get together.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a Eileen we need to hear from Kylie.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Blake came off The Beast just with

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Speaker 4: a lot of just friendships and maybe some curious like romance.

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Speaker 5: Blake could be a bachelor in the future if they

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Speaker 5: bring someone back like they did with Ari or maybe Nick,

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Speaker 5: like they could pull Blake.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, good for that guy. All right, Hey,

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Speaker 4: until next time, I've been Ben, I've.

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Speaker 6: Been Ashley, and I've been Zachary.

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