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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annick and

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Speaker 7: That boss. Tonight there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 4: You're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: Could your shot look any crisper? Could your camera right

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Speaker 6: I would suggest? Now, what's up, dude? Did you do

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Speaker 8: It's pretty light, just playing with the kids, chucking a

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Speaker 6: Are you in like four K? What is going on here?

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Speaker 8: And it looks like you're excited to have some time

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Speaker 8: with the children here coming up. So we actually are

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Speaker 8: going to be on these airwaves until September twenty sixth,

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Speaker 6: But yes, the cupboard is full.

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Speaker 8: We have a lot to get to and always excited

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Speaker 8: on a Monday or after the fact, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 8: It's Monday, September fifteenth, twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. That

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Speaker 8: is episode five sixty seventy the An Floward Podcast, brought

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Speaker 8: to you by DraftKings DraftKings. The Crown is yours, Ken flow

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Speaker 8: Boxing Mixed Martial Arts. What was your Saturday like? How

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Speaker 8: much of this content did you in jes live and

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Speaker 8: what did you think of it?

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Speaker 6: Oh? My goodness, it was quite the weekend.

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Speaker 9: A lot of sports going on for the Florine family.

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Speaker 9: We were at the Charlotte f C game. We saw

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Speaker 6: But they're doing great right now. We won three nothing.

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Speaker 9: Messi missed a penalty kick, which was crazy, but it

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Speaker 8: So a lot to get to today. Obviously a huge

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Speaker 9: That's for sure, and and Ricky was one of those

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Speaker 6: At last, it was an unbelievable fight.

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Speaker 6: He's got it all the size, the work ethic.

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Speaker 8: Yet again, it was interesting for me being at Allegiance

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, listen, I think al Joe is still I

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Speaker 8: You know he's done a lot of amazing things for

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Speaker 8: the UFC.

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Speaker 6: That has to be stated.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be surprised though, if they

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Speaker 9: make a Jean Silva Aljamaine Sterling, you wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 8: No, I think that makes that. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 8: makes a ton of sense. I mean, do it in December. No,

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Speaker 8: I think Aljo is gonna have to fight one more absolutely,

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Speaker 8: and I really do think Loron has more than the

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Speaker 8: inside track. I like that he's getting verbal about the

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Speaker 8: two and two for al Jo on his last four and.

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Speaker 9: Always a great thing when you have the champ himself,

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Speaker 9: Alexander Volkanowski calling for Laron Murphy, like, let's do it.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's how you make it when you see

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Speaker 9: the champs on board.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know Laron Murphy's on board. I think, yes,

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Speaker 6: he's gonna be on board as well.

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Speaker 8: I mean, volk did call for Iovloyev and that didn't happen,

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Speaker 8: but yes, he is calling for Murphy. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 8: part of the issue, I think, and I do think.

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Speaker 8: I'm not talking about both sides of my mouth. I

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Speaker 8: think Loron is smart to go on the offensive. I

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Speaker 8: just happen to disagree with some of the comments that

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Speaker 8: are in there. But I think if you're Laron Murphy,

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Speaker 8: you were waiting for this result between John Silvan Diego Lopez.

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Speaker 6: Now we have it.

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Speaker 8: It works out for you, and you just got to

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Speaker 8: hope that this fight gets made here in the not

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Speaker 8: too distant future, because I think for lrone, even though

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Speaker 8: we're only in September, right, you don't want any time

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Speaker 8: to elapse. You want this fight to be announced. Yes,

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Speaker 8: and we'll see what happens. But congratulations to Diego Lopez.

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Speaker 8: Congratulations to the doctor David Martinez.

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Speaker 6: You know, Kempo.

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Speaker 8: We thought this was going to be a dangerous fight

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Speaker 8: for Rob Font, and of course all hail Rob Font

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Speaker 8: for taking this fight for the you know, the valiant

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Speaker 8: manner in which he fought.

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Speaker 6: But you know, we got a new bantamway contender. David

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Speaker 6: Martinez is the real deal, dude, he really is.

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Speaker 9: My goodness, the athleticism that he shows, this speed was

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Speaker 9: just something to Marvel. I was really really impressed. Now,

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Speaker 9: Rob Font maybe not the fastest guy in the world,

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Speaker 9: but he is a very technical boxer, a very good striker,

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Speaker 9: a very good grappler, has a ton of experience, and

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Speaker 9: it just looked like Martinez was moving at a completely

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Speaker 9: different speed. And boy, his counters, his kicks, the sidekicks,

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Speaker 9: everything it comes from really beautiful fundamentals. And then when

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Speaker 9: you add in that athleticism, in that confidence, he's going

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Speaker 9: to be someone to watch, dude.

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Speaker 6: I mean, not a whole lot of guys.

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Speaker 9: What's that his second you fight and he's beating someone

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Speaker 9: like Rob Font and he's a doctor.

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Speaker 8: What an orthopedic surgeon. I think he might be three

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Speaker 8: and oh in the UFC now code blue. No, I

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Speaker 8: could be wrong, Maybe Cody can check that. But for

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Speaker 8: Rob Font to put his single ranking on the line

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Speaker 8: against all comers anytime, Ken Foe all over at two

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Speaker 8: and oh in the UFC, now right, I mean that's

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Speaker 8: this is how the sport moves forward, is the willingness

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Speaker 8: of guys like Rob Font to fight number twenty five

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Speaker 8: in the world.

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Speaker 9: And this wasn't a Rob Font that's been beaten down.

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Speaker 9: He was He's been looking great, John. He was coming

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Speaker 9: into this fight with momentum. He has a new camp,

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Speaker 9: he's got a kind of new approach to how he's doing.

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Speaker 9: I noticed a little bit of a different style of

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Speaker 9: the last few fights, which he brought in very well.

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Speaker 9: But Martinez is just that damn good. Like I was

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Speaker 9: really really impressed with that performance.

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Speaker 8: It really is interesting because I say, for David Martinez

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Speaker 8: number twenty five, but maybe in terms of Sean Shelby

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Speaker 8: or Mick Maynard's rankings, Martinez came in one and oh

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Speaker 8: in the UFC as like forty five at bandam weight right.

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Speaker 8: But again, good job by the UFC, because this guy

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Speaker 8: is really I think Billable. I think you can build

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Speaker 8: around him in Mexico and a huge win for him.

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Speaker 8: How about the circumstances surrounding this Jared Gordon fight, right,

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Speaker 8: Congratulations to Rafa Garcia, tremendous right hand catching Jared Gordon

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Speaker 8: coming in. I mean that is just perfect. But Jared

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Speaker 8: Gordon in a car accident the day before the fight,

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Speaker 8: and gosh, I don't even know where to begin. But

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Speaker 8: Jared Gordon, the faithful man that he is, just has

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Speaker 8: gotten so many bad breaks as a pro, and I

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Speaker 8: feel like because of so many of that, so much

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Speaker 8: of that history, he had to seemingly fight on here

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Speaker 8: with a sleeve on his right knee, and he fought

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Speaker 8: well over the first two rounds. But my gosh, man,

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Speaker 8: this dude can't catch your fucking break.

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Speaker 6: I know it, I know it.

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Speaker 9: It's been tough, and these are the kind of things

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Speaker 9: that kind of concerns me, especially with a guy like

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Speaker 9: Jared who's been through it man, both in and out

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Speaker 9: of the cage. And you know, I hope that he

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Speaker 9: uses this as something to kind of build confidence f

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Speaker 9: him knowing that he was dealing with, you know, a

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Speaker 9: bad knee, injured knee, a car accident, all this stuff,

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Speaker 9: and he still was able to do that good against

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Speaker 9: a dangerous guy like Rafa Garcia, and man, it was tough.

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Speaker 9: I thought his second round was beautiful. I thought he

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Speaker 9: was landing some huge shots. I thought he won round two.

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Speaker 9: I thought he he lost round one and was looking good.

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Speaker 9: And then I think the lack of feints allowed Garcia

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Speaker 9: to time him a much more at the end of

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Speaker 9: round two and then into round three, and that's where

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Speaker 9: he was able to land that huge shot. And even

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Speaker 9: even then, after all that he was hurt, he was

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Speaker 9: trying to come back and he was in that tight choke,

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Speaker 9: he still fought through it.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 9: And man, the heart that Jared Gordon has is unbelievable, man.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, I was sad to see him lose. Man.

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Speaker 8: I look forward to talking to Jared and hearing about

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Speaker 8: the circumstances that he was dealing with. But yeah, heart

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Speaker 8: and will are not issues for Jared Gordon as such.

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Speaker 8: He fought on. We will have more on this fight

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Speaker 8: car coming up with Ray Longo. I am curious to

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Speaker 8: get the opinions of Kenny and ray on On Calvin Gastallom,

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Speaker 8: who you know, just doesn't seem to respect the division

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Speaker 8: at least when it comes to these these weight cuts

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Speaker 8: at times. So I'm curious to get long ago and

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Speaker 8: can Flow's take on all of that. But I would

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Speaker 8: like to transition to the boxing if I could. Pronunciation

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Speaker 8: of the Week is brought to you by Total Wireless,

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Speaker 6: So I love.

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Speaker 8: Hearing these Mexican fighters say their names, and we are

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Speaker 8: bringing you some files today.

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Speaker 6: Can Flow.

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Speaker 8: The Netflix car was preceded by six prelims on YouTube,

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Speaker 8: and the first winning fighter of the night was a

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Speaker 8: Mexican Olympic silver medallist by the name of Marco Verde.

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Speaker 8: And I can say it in an Americanized way right there,

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Speaker 8: because you're gonna now say it closer to the way

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Speaker 8: he is going to say it. It's our pronunciation of

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Speaker 8: the week, Marco Verde. Can Flow, Uh take it away?

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Speaker 6: Was it? Marco Verde? Now get it?

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Speaker 7: John?

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Speaker 8: I mean you you more than got it. You pierced it.

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Speaker 8: I mean you just murdered it. I mean, get out

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Speaker 8: your target emojis, Cody, Let's hear Marcos.

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Speaker 6: Marco Marco verb. The vs are bees, the bees, that's.

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Speaker 8: It, These are bees and uh and the wiser jays.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 8: My twin brother loves when uh, when he hears Spanish

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Speaker 8: talking heads talk about a fighter like Roul Rosas junior

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Speaker 8: instead of the youngest, it's like.

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Speaker 6: He's the jungest fighter on the roster, the jungst He's

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Speaker 6: the jungst. Uh. Also playing at the ken l O V.

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Speaker 6: Crawford festivities.

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Speaker 8: Can flow el Faro's Fernando, I don't even I sound

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Speaker 8: like trash. Fernando Vargas Junior, Kenny, can you say uh?

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Speaker 8: Can you say Fernando Vargus Junior for us as well?

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Speaker 6: Fernando Bargas Junior. The v's are bees. Let's hear uh.

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Speaker 8: Let's hear Fernando Vargus.

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Speaker 6: Let me do that again more, sernand Fernando second one

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Speaker 6: that I wanted for just the regular name. And oh

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Speaker 6: it's pretty, almost as pretty as those Vargas brothers.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I did say in an interview. I did,

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Speaker 8: and I'm very comfortable in my own sexuality. Emiliano Vargas

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Speaker 8: the youngest, most promising of the three Vargus brothers, I

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Speaker 8: was like, is that not the most handsome man I've

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Speaker 8: ever seen?

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Speaker 6: My father?

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Speaker 8: I mean, you don't try to become a real boxing

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Speaker 8: star and has tremendous promise, and uh yeah, it looks

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Speaker 8: the part. But I get to say, Kenny, and you

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Speaker 8: can certainly, uh this could get you emotional. But seeing

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Speaker 8: those Vargas brothers right with Fernando Vargas Senior and seeing

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Speaker 8: them all together, and there's a definite competitive spirit there,

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Speaker 8: you know. I don't think they're always completely jovial with

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Speaker 8: each other, but seeing them all there together, supporting each

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Speaker 8: other at the open workout and walking shoulder and shoulder

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Speaker 8: to the biggest fight of Fernando's career, I think for

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Speaker 8: anybody with brothers, and I got two of them, I mean, uh,

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Speaker 8: just amazing to see.

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Speaker 6: It is man.

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Speaker 9: And I think that like all all the years of

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Speaker 9: training together, of you know, sharing that dream together, of

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Speaker 9: like pushing each other, there's nothing more competitive than two

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Speaker 9: brothers in the same fil yre, you know, going at it.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's the kind of stuff that makes

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Speaker 9: competition or trying to be the best a little bit

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Speaker 9: a little bit more normal. Right when you grow up

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Speaker 9: in a family like that, and you know, I know

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Speaker 9: that was the case for me, and that's awesome to see.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and we're gonna get to Canelo Alvarez and certainly

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Speaker 8: Terrence Bud Crawford here in a minute. But Fernando Vargus

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Speaker 8: Junior just takes everything so seriously. He is so meticulous,

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Speaker 8: and you can even tell when he records his name,

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Speaker 8: you know, he goes back and says, this is what

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Speaker 8: I want, and even it's funny to hear the way

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Speaker 8: he says, you know, Vedano Vargas, and then he says

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Speaker 8: Junior as the American. The American comes out, all right.

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Speaker 8: So what an amazing live event Canelo Versus Crawford was.

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Speaker 8: And I think so much much for a mixed martial

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Speaker 8: arts commentator and fan like me to digest and wrap

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Speaker 8: my head around. I have so many different thoughts spinning

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Speaker 8: through my head about the sports and stadium shows. Dana

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Speaker 8: White at times is reluctant to do stadium shows, and

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Speaker 8: certainly if you were to put a UFC live event

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Speaker 8: inside Allegiant Stadium with seventy thousand people, you would need

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Speaker 8: the right headlining athlete to sell seventy thousand tickets. I

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Speaker 8: mean all hail Canelo Alvarez, the face of boxing right

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Speaker 8: nine stadium shows, I think it has been now, but

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Speaker 8: this building in particular, I think the way it is

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Speaker 8: architecturally built. You may have heard me say this on

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Speaker 8: the broadcast, I think it lends itself well to a

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Speaker 8: combat sports event, not just American football. Some of these

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Speaker 8: NFL venues, and I had a conversation with Jim Gray

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Speaker 8: about this off the air, are so cavernous and vast

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Speaker 8: that you just could not put an octagon or a

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Speaker 8: boxing ring in there. So I think it played well.

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Speaker 8: It's always going to be a later round arriving crowd

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Speaker 8: for boxing, but it was a spectacle. It was spectacular.

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Speaker 8: I was so thankful to be a part of it.

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Speaker 8: And Terrence Bud Crawford is the man, Kenny, you know.

657
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 8: I think my biggest takeaway as I walked into Allegiant

658
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 8: Stadium on Saturday night was that, to a man, ninety

659
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 8: five percent of Bud Crawford's contemporaries were picking him to

660
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 8: win the fight. All of the elite boxers that I

661
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 8: talked to or witnessed their predictions, they were all picking Bud,

662
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 8: who went from plus one ninety deliberately down to plus

663
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 8: one thirty five or so at closing time, and it

664
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 8: seemed like most people felt as though he had more

665
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 8: ways to win. He fought exceedingly well, took control of

666
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 8: the fight, and thankfully the judges saw what the world

667
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 8: saw and Bud Crawford is now the undisputed super midleweight champion.

668
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 9: Well, I think for people who really watched the sport,

669
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 9: I think it was clear that Terrence Crawford was the

670
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 9: better boxer. I think where the doubts kind of came

671
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 9: in was does he have the size and the power

672
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 9: to either hurt Canelo or take that force that's coming

673
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 9: at him in the form of Canelo, who knows how

674
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 9: to find your chin. And obviously we got that answer

675
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 9: on Saturday night. Terrence Crawford not only showed that he

676
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 9: was the better boxer, but he showed that he can

677
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 9: go up in that weight and be very effective even

678
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 9: in hurting a guy like Canelo, who is the naturally

679
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 9: larger man. So as far as performances go, I mean,

680
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 9: that's about as perfect as it gets. I mean, that

681
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 9: is a tremendous performance.

682
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 5: Went.

683
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 6: Again, you're dealing with that undefeated record.

684
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: Now.

685
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 9: I know, probably the pressure was on Canelo. It was

686
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 9: Crawford that was coming up in weight. But still Crawford

687
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 9: went in there, cool as a cucumber man and really

688
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 9: took over.

689
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 10: For me.

690
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 9: The difference was the footwork, the speed, the versatility of

691
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 9: his boxing skills versus the power of Canelo, and I

692
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 9: was blown away.

693
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: Man.

694
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: That was as clean as it gets.

695
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 8: And I really just did not expect the size to

696
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 8: be a factor when I heard Bud talk about sizing

697
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 8: Canelo Alvarez up. There was some strategy here, right, Like

698
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 8: even when George San Pierre moves up to eighty five,

699
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 8: when Michael Bisping's the champion, right, I mean there there

700
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: are certain matchups at sixty eight that would be problematic

701
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 8: because of the size. I think for Terrence, Bud Crawford,

702
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 8: this one was not that. But let us bring in

703
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 8: Ray Longo because I know this man has a lot

704
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 8: to say. As usual, Let's get to the Ray Longkoman.

705
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo minutes.

706
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 5: The hole.

707
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 4: Is the Ray Longo minute, the John Nick and Kenny

708
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: Florian Podcast.

709
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 6: Through the Stars.

710
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 5: Long Yeah, Hey, buddy, how are we feeling?

711
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 8: How are you feeling? You look great today. You seem

712
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 8: ready to go. Did you wake up earlier or something?

713
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: No going back going back to bed after this? Fore you.

714
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 6: So a tremendous weekend.

715
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 8: My broadcast partner Max Kellerman said that we would know

716
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 8: within the first thirty seconds if size would matter. And

717
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 8: I don't know what athletic competition guys in which Canelo

718
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 8: Alvarez and Terrence Crawford would engage in in which the

719
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 8: size would actually be a factor, right in terms of

720
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 8: Canelo's genetics, the bone density. But Kenny, these are very

721
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 8: similarly sized men at this stage of their lives and careers.

722
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 8: And part of that is Canelo Alvarez maybe coming in

723
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 8: faster and a little bit leaner, Bud Crawford putting on

724
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 8: some muscle mass. But uh, you know, these guys are

725
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 8: similar in size, and Bud Crawford just seemed to be

726
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 8: the better boxer in more ways than one.

727
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think you know people are gonna be like,

728
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 9: shut up, MMA, guy. But having a wrestling background like

729
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 9: Bud Crawford has, you're used to moving around bigger guys.

730
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 9: You know how to use your weight, you know how

731
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 9: to use your stance, you know you're used to that

732
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 9: kind of conflict of kind of banging in there, and

733
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 9: of course you add in that elite, world class, goat

734
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 9: level type boxing skill, and you know you have a

735
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 9: guy who's not gonna be afraid of anybody. And of course,

736
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 9: like you said, John, you know him and his team

737
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 9: really did a great job scouting out their opponent of going.

738
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 9: You know, there's certain guys stylistically you know you can handle,

739
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 9: even if they're up away class. There's other guys that

740
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 9: maybe you might be afraid of. But you know, Canelo

741
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 9: an amazing, brilliant boxer. But the way that Crawford matched

742
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 9: up against him, you know, he proved, he.

743
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 6: Proved that those guys knew exactly what they were doing.

744
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 11: We heard you nine years of bring back the snack

745
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 11: rap and you've won, But maybe you should have asked

746
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 11: for more. Say hello to the hot potty snack rap.

747
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 11: Now you really want go to McDonald's and you get it?

748
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 6: Wow you can't.

749
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, it was a really really good technical fight.

750
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 10: Uh yeah, I don't you know what I thought you'd

751
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 10: have started that fight.

752
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 5: I think I might have been delirious. What time did

753
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: that fight start?

754
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 6: I know, and even Max and I were I gotta.

755
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: Tell you, man, it was unacceptable. Though. I think it

756
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 5: was three o'clock in the morning when I.

757
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 8: Got I we should just sort of talk about that

758
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 8: for a second, if we could, and Kenny, I don't

759
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 8: know what.

760
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it was late for you.

761
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, for I would have just been fighting it so

762
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 8: hard as a boxing fan at twelve thirty nine am

763
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 8: Eastern when Canelo's starting to walk or whatever it was,

764
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 8: and it's really difficult. I know, you're catering to a

765
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 8: lot of different masses and audiences. Ray, but that's a

766
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 8: big deal, right, Pacing is a big deal. And you

767
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 8: know that if Dana White had his brothers, he would

768
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 8: do something about right Well.

769
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: You know, like again, you know, it's funny.

770
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 10: I had a party that night, so I probably got

771
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 10: home at midnight and I hadn't watched the UFC yet,

772
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 10: so I go to see if the Canelo fights on it.

773
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 10: It doesn't look like they near anything. So I think

774
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 10: I watched a whole UFC cord at midnight and then

775
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 10: at the end and I got it just ended up

776
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 10: perfect and whatever time that was, I just you know,

777
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 10: watched the fight, but.

778
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's tough too if I could just interject.

779
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 8: So there's all these different things. The pageantry features Canelo

780
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 8: walking at a certain time, all of these different things, right,

781
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 8: And I'm not suggesting that the Komain event was anything spectacular,

782
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 8: you know, but I'm there for eleven hours and the

783
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 8: Comain event winner between Callum Walsham Fernando Vargus Junior doesn't

784
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 8: even get an interview. And I understand that in that moment. Promotionally,

785
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 8: it's like, man, these walks are going to take a while.

786
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 6: We have all these musical acts.

787
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 8: We don't have the seven minutes to work all of

788
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 8: that traffic in there, or even the five And I

789
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 8: get it, but you know, if we're gonna be there

790
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 8: for twelve hours, I feel like Callum should get a microphone,

791
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 8: you know.

792
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, how was your experience?

793
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 10: Were you treated like as an outsider because you're an

794
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 10: MMA guy or No?

795
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 6: No, I felt the warmest of welcomes.

796
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 8: I'm sure there were a lot of people maybe talking

797
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 8: trash behind my back when I left the room, but no,

798
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 8: I had my head down as I always do. I

799
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 8: was trying to condense a decade's worth of preparation into

800
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 8: about twenty five days and I ate every single meal

801
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 8: in the room. My room service bill was nine hundred

802
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 8: and forty dollars. Wow, I ate every single meal in

803
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 8: the room. I did nothing but prep and just tried

804
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 8: to put myself in position to succeed. But no, I

805
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 8: felt very confident going in there because of the work

806
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 8: I did. It was very exciting to be a part

807
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 8: of it. But yeah, I mean, you know, I love

808
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 8: mixed martial arts, and there's a lot more carnage I

809
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 8: think in that sport, at least on the surface.

810
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry kid.

811
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 10: I mean I think the pacing of MMA is way

812
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 10: different than what you know because.

813
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 8: I think facing a perfect either this all needs to

814
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 8: be fucking quicker.

815
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but yeah, I know.

816
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 10: But I was really excited for you with this opportunity,

817
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 10: and then I had, you know, because it was late.

818
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 10: I forgot about it after round round one. I'm going

819
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 10: to say, you didn't say a word round two. He like,

820
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 10: oh my god, John's day.

821
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 5: I forgot all.

822
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 8: Really well, Well, it's interesting because of all the feedback

823
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 8: I've heard, that's the first that I've that I've heard that,

824
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 8: so I would have to go back and watch it.

825
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 8: I have not gone back and watched it because I

826
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 8: was watching no j UFC after the fact. But you know,

827
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 8: we all have an ego, but I really don't bring

828
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 8: one to that booth and to my right, two guys

829
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 8: who have devoted the last quarter century of their lives,

830
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 8: if not more, for Max forty years to uh to

831
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 8: this initiative.

832
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 6: So I'm not afraid to stay in my lane. But no,

833
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 6: I felt like, I, you know, I've found my footing

834
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 6: and picked my spots, but perhaps not.

835
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 10: And I got to tell you I was around when

836
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 10: Max Kellerman first came on the scene. He was a

837
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 10: dynamo back then, what forty years ago? He was really,

838
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 10: really good. I felt like he might have slipped a

839
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 10: little bit. I haven't really watched boxing that much. I

840
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 10: thought Andre Wood wastacula on the money, oh every on

841
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 10: the money with everything he said during that fight.

842
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 8: He is a sharp, sharp yeah, and so prepared, so thoughtful,

843
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 8: buckets of respect for the way he approaches the job.

844
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And I think, you know, I thought Ward

845
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 9: was tremendous as well. You know, I don't know if

846
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 9: it was so loud in there too. I felt like

847
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 9: your guys audio could have been up a little bit.

848
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 9: Maybe it was just the nature of Yeah it was.

849
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 9: It was loud in there for sure, But yeah, I

850
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 9: think that the pacing and yeah, I think John, you

851
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 9: make a point, you know, it'd be nice to see

852
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 9: that the UFC go a little bit faster as well sometimes.

853
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 9: But as far as putting on an event and putting

854
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 9: on shows, the UFC has it figured out more than

855
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 9: anybody else. Even when I was at the PFL, it's like, guys,

856
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 9: let's get this going.

857
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 6: We do we don't.

858
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 9: People don't want to wait around to see guys, especially

859
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 9: if they're not huge names. No one's waiting around to

860
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 9: watch Joe blow get in the next fight. It's like,

861
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 9: let's keep it going. If you're gonna build something, maybe

862
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 9: build up the main event. But as far as production

863
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 9: wise and putting on the event and keeping things moving,

864
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 9: there's just no one who has it down better than

865
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 9: the UFC, And I think that's why, you know, this

866
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 9: sport has really taken over. But as far as boxing,

867
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 9: it was great to finally see an event between two

868
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 9: of the best boxers get put together while they're still

869
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 9: relatively close to their prime.

870
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 6: That that was a really special event for.

871
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 10: Sure, And I agree with you and That's why Dana

872
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 10: was always, i think, consistent on it. He didn't want

873
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 10: to give up production rights to anybody he didn't deal with.

874
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 10: He wanted to be involved, and it paid off because

875
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 10: I think, you know, to me, it was almost like, Okay,

876
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 10: it's a good fight. Obviously it's not a great fight.

877
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 10: You know what's a great fight, hearns Hagla when they

878
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 10: got together. That's a fucking fight. They went to kill

879
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 10: each other, these guys. It's a good technical fight. I

880
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 10: don't think Canello gave a shit about pushing it. That

881
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 10: ain't Julio sees a shabaz and the banging the body.

882
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 10: You can't stop him. He's coming, you know, Like again,

883
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 10: the other guy's really good. Crawford's amazing. He ain't Roy

884
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 10: Jones Jr.

885
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

886
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 10: That's what I was thinking during the fight, like, well,

887
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 10: we used to get super fights.

888
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 5: Guys went at it. I mean, they weren't at it,

889
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 5: and now it's.

890
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 10: Like, let me just grab a paycheck, do my thing,

891
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 10: let me not take too many chances and get the

892
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 10: fuck out of here. That that was kind of my thing,

893
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 10: and I'm used to that MMA pacing where it's fucking Haywire,

894
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 10: and it just seemed very like slow but enjoyable. You know,

895
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 10: you can't argue that yet. Two of the biggest names

896
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 10: in boxing at it, but they weren't going at it.

897
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 5: Like you know, it meant anything to him.

898
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 10: They were they were just it was like a To me,

899
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 10: it was a really good, like sparring match. I'm sure

900
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 10: I'm gonna get crucified by the boxing people, but like

901
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 10: again I'm used. I'm used to Haggler, Hearn's Leonard Durant.

902
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 10: That's where I really haven't watched boxing. So to me,

903
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 10: it was you know, a little bit, you know, it

904
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 10: was just good. It was a great fight to watch

905
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 10: it technically, very very nice.

906
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I'm biased as well, but you know,

907
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 9: Juck's opposed to like watching some of the fights on

908
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 9: you know, the USC fight at USC Notch and then

909
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 9: going into the boxing it was a much lower You're

910
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 9: kind of expecting, all.

911
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 6: Right, what he's gonna thrown elbow or kick?

912
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, I mean yeah, but like.

913
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 9: This fight night was insane, and then you know the boxing,

914
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 9: you're kind of yeah, it felt like more of a

915
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 9: sporting fire.

916
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you had like

917
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 10: Lopez and uh and uh so, dude, that was craziness, man,

918
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 10: you know, that was just that was an exciting eight

919
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 10: to nine minutes, like exciting.

920
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 6: Even the fights before that were really No, I'm.

921
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 10: Just bringing that up because you know, yeah, the one,

922
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 10: you know, the main event versus main event, but that

923
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 10: that was that my thought.

924
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 5: But it was a great fight, and I, hey, I.

925
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 8: Thank you articulated a lot of that stuff really well.

926
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 8: And I think you probably know given our friendship, that

927
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 8: I agree with ninety percent of what came out of

928
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 8: your mouth.

929
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 6: I mean, imagine what it was like for me. I'm

930
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 6: used to getting showered with blood.

931
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 8: I barely had a chance all night to raise my octave.

932
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 6: Or sort of cap anything.

933
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 8: Uh No, I mean there were energetic moments, but yes,

934
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 8: I did feel like at times, and I'm not afraid

935
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 8: to get crucified at this point by the boxing media. Right,

936
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 8: you can imagine how many you know, people have things

937
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 8: to say. But yes, I felt like pockets of that

938
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 8: fight within Crawford's brilliance were underwhelming.

939
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you told Canelaf I feel great.

940
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you right, right, well right?

941
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 5: And you got hit four times? Why wouldn't you.

942
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 8: Feel well, and Max Kellerman had said, right, there is

943
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 8: a chance that if this fight took on a haggler,

944
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 8: hearn's type quality and that it.

945
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 6: Could have just put the sport on a run.

946
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 8: Because because of how many eyeballs, well, he said, it

947
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 8: off the air to us, so people don't come here

948
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 8: for boxing talk inherently, and never mind us talking about

949
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 8: like how this might affect Canelo Alvarez his legacy. Right,

950
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 8: But I would like to just ask you guys quickly

951
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 8: if I could about Canelo Alvarez because a more gracious,

952
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 8: classy combat sports athlete I have not met, and he

953
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 8: has put this sport on his back.

954
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 6: He is the face of boxing.

955
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 8: He has made so much money for so many individuals

956
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 8: within the boxing world. Yes, this was a nine figure

957
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 8: payday for Canelo Alvarez and one that he could not

958
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 8: turn down, But legacy wise, there was more downside than

959
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 8: upside to be fighting the quote unquote quote smaller man.

960
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 8: And yeah, Canal has already got two losses, so to

961
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 8: have three not a big deal, right, But you know

962
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 8: there were some and I know maybe it's a minority

963
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 8: because of guys like Salvador Sanchez and Julio Caesar Chavez,

964
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 8: but there were some who considered him the greatest Mexican

965
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 8: fighter of all time.

966
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: And you know, Kenny, I'll start with you.

967
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 8: You know, his resume does now absorb this loss, and

968
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 8: I'm curious what you think about that.

969
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you brought up the other two great

970
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 9: Mexican boxers, and there's many more than that.

971
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 6: But certainly Salvador Sanchez was one of my favorites.

972
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 9: And of course Julio Sister Shavez was a guy that

973
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 9: I would watch with my dad all the time.

974
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 6: He had so many damn fights. Ray brought him up

975
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 6: earlier as well.

976
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 9: But it's tough, you know, back then, I feel like

977
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 9: that was the golden era of boxing when Julio Sister

978
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 9: Shavis was fighting, you know, Meldck Taylor and all those

979
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 9: other guys, and there was just so much competition Pernell Whittaker,

980
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 9: and you know, so for me, it's hard because I

981
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 9: see it with such a different set of eyes. I

982
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 9: guess I just kind of saw those guys as king.

983
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 9: So for me, Julio Sister Shaves is that guy. But yeah,

984
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely right. In an age where you know,

985
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 9: and Floyd, you gotta love him, but Floyd would wait

986
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 9: till a lot of boxers got old and slower, and

987
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 9: when he knew one percent absolutely that he would beat them,

988
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 9: that's when he would fight them. And Canel Olivarez, I

989
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 9: think what you know separates them from a lot of those,

990
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 9: you know, the more modern day boxers is that he

991
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 9: would He did want a challenge, and maybe he didn't

992
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 9: fight the way that we all wanted him to, but

993
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 9: he did at least take that challenge in an error

994
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 9: where a lot of boxers would not put their name

995
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 9: on the line against someone like that.

996
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 6: I do think the money did help.

997
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, And he said it his legacies already, he

998
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 10: feels his legacy was done before that fight. So one

999
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 10: hundred and fifty million, why not? But the you know, like,

1000
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 10: did he get beat up? Did he really get I mean,

1001
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 10: did he did the guy take a Now? I mean

1002
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 10: he definitely outboxed some beautiful footwork by Crawford and you know,

1003
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 10: outspeeded him. Uh but you know, Canelo kind of resorted

1004
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 10: to moving around throwing what he punched.

1005
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 9: It wasn't that sense of urgency from pass it like

1006
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 9: he seemed like he was content to box. Canelo's best

1007
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 9: chance of going in there was kind of like, you know,

1008
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 9: getting on the inside and really just pressuring him, non stuff.

1009
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 9: He was pressuring them, but not that typical way of

1010
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 9: like I need to win this round right now. It

1011
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 9: was kind of like I want to keep a close

1012
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 9: and that's what it seemed like. And again, it's very

1013
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 9: different once you're in there. Yeah, you know Crawford's footwork. Kids,

1014
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 9: you can obviously nullify a lot of that.

1015
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 5: But yeah, so's yeah, let's make that clear too.

1016
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, I don't want to take anything away

1017
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 10: if I'm just making it a comparison to what I

1018
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 10: was used to.

1019
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 5: Havn't really been watching boxing.

1020
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 10: I was very excited for the fight, and like I'm

1021
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 10: gonna say, look, I'm gonna be fair. Anything less than

1022
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 10: like Hagler Hearns probably would have disappointed me. I just thought,

1023
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 10: to guys, let's go, let's fucking go, you know what

1024
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 10: I mean, Like, uh, you know, I've been going back

1025
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 10: to the boxing gyms with a couple of my guys. Man,

1026
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 10: those fucking sporing sessions are unbelievable, Kenny. I mean, it's

1027
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 10: just yeah, it's a different it's a different feel, you know.

1028
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 5: What I mean. So for sure, Uh, I don't know,

1029
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: but hats off to Boat guys. Was definitely very very

1030
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 5: you know, it was a great fight.

1031
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 8: But last two things, I'll say just very quickly on

1032
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 8: that I will be by some Canelo Albarez merchandise because

1033
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 8: my gosh, man, I mean just dripping with class. Everything

1034
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 8: he does, just such a magneticism and just so much

1035
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 8: grace with which he handles everything. And then Terrence Bud

1036
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 8: Crawford right, just hardened by his formative years in Omaha,

1037
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 8: Nebraska and just dealt with so many different life circumstances

1038
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 8: to arrive at this moment. And the legacy swing for

1039
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 8: him was enormous in this fight, and it's just really

1040
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 8: amazing that he now has this legacy as one of

1041
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 8: the greatest of all time. Because Floyd Mayweather Wright had

1042
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 8: a slickness and a specialness to him that I'm not

1043
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 8: sure that Bud necessarily can touch. But it's Bud Crawford

1044
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 8: Kenny who put everybody away throughout his run to greatness,

1045
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 8: eleven straight knockouts going into the Madri Mob fight at

1046
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty four pounds last year. Then he

1047
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 8: skips middleweight moves up to sixty eight and does this right,

1048
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 8: Boxing is when it comes to Mount rushmore in all

1049
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 8: time greatness. As I said off the top of the telecast,

1050
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 8: but right like in basketball, it's like you got Lebron,

1051
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 8: you got Kobe, you got Michael and you know, in

1052
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 8: in boxing you have a hundred fighters Kenny, right, But

1053
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 8: this really as an American fighter over last quarter century,

1054
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 8: if not longer, you know, this puts Bud Crawford in

1055
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 8: some pretty rarefied air.

1056
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 6: One hundred man.

1057
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 9: I thought it was a masterclass of boxing as far

1058
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 9: as you know the whole package, defense, offense, you know

1059
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 9: how to neutralize a bigger, stronger guy and the jab, everything,

1060
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 9: his ability to switch stance was. It was a brilliant

1061
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 9: performance and a lot of class in humility on his

1062
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 9: part as well after the fight. So, you know, I

1063
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 9: would like to see him in a couple more fights.

1064
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 9: I think there's some other fights in there. Will we

1065
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 9: see him again, I'm not sure. Canello says he probably

1066
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 9: has another year or two. Maybe maybe we see a

1067
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 9: rematch again, who knows. But again, I thought it was

1068
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 9: for boxing. I thought it was a solid night overall,

1069
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 9: no question.

1070
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I'll tell you Crawford, I'll tell you where

1071
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 10: I really was impressed with Crawford. I think it was

1072
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 10: whatever around he might have Canelo kind of got on

1073
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 10: track maybe in the fifth round, and he came out

1074
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 10: in the sixth round. Man, See that's what I'd like

1075
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 10: to see. He took over. Yeah, he wasn't gonna go

1076
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 10: two rounds down, so he that to me was very impressed.

1077
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 10: But then well, yeah, I loved it. And then when

1078
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 10: he got back on track though, then he could cruise

1079
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 10: and you know, and you've had Andre Wood saying why

1080
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 10: would he take a chance? You know, so you know,

1081
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 10: maybe landscape has changed to I don't I don't know

1082
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 10: what the fuck do I know? But you know what

1083
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 10: I mean, Normally you do take a chance, no matter what.

1084
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 10: You really want to submit your legacy. Fucking go for it,

1085
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 10: you know. I mean, I mean, I gotta believe that's

1086
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 10: what Dana White's thinking in his head because that's what

1087
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 10: he does with the MMA, guys, you know what I mean? So, uh,

1088
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 10: all good, All good?

1089
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 9: Though, John, John, did you find it interesting the kind

1090
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 9: of iliatoporio talk between him and Crawford.

1091
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 6: What do you think about all that stuff?

1092
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I try to stand my land when

1093
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 8: it comes to like how competitive a matchup might be

1094
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 8: between those two guys in the boxing world.

1095
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 6: You know.

1096
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 8: But on the surface, I I don't love when I

1097
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 8: hear MMA fighters think they're anywhere close to what I'm seeing, right,

1098
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 8: because when I'm watching open workouts and just privy to

1099
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 8: some private boxing stuff, it's just a different.

1100
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 10: Different But that's that's that's not yeah, they're at it,

1101
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 10: They're at a different level, John, That's one million.

1102
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 6: Yes.

1103
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 8: So we had some amazing fights early on, Sir Hey

1104
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 8: Boha chuk in the rematch with Brandon Adams and the

1105
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 8: Lester Martinez, Christian and Billy fight was absolutely insane. But

1106
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 8: I just have to say, and I could go for

1107
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 8: hours on this, I could talk to you guys for days,

1108
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 8: but as an MMA commentator stepping into that world for

1109
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 8: a night, I don't know what the future holds.

1110
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 6: Right. It's just a.

1111
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 8: Less violent sport in totality. I mean, the cut men

1112
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 8: were barely needed. There weren't a lot of concussive blows

1113
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 8: being landed.

1114
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1115
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 8: At one point later in the night, my brother and

1116
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 8: I were sort of talking about, you know, you bring

1117
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 8: kids to a boxing match, it seems like, you know,

1118
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 8: I'm not going to see too. Yeah, like on this night,

1119
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 8: I mean didn't they didn't need to clean up the

1120
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 8: canvas or anything.

1121
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're safe. We used to extreme violence.

1122
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 10: I mean we really don't know, And and that could

1123
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 10: be part of what I'm saying is that, yeah, when

1124
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 10: you don't, you don't get that thirst. You know, we

1125
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 10: get not only Oh we used to John on a

1126
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 10: weekly basis.

1127
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's still fresh in your heads, right.

1128
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 8: Eight months ago and I get off the air and uh,

1129
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 8: you know, John Silva looks like the doll from Child

1130
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 8: Shocking with all the stars on his head.

1131
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's hope.

1132
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 9: Let's hope mm A doesn't evolve until like to like

1133
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 9: swords and knives, because then you know, it just happens.

1134
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1135
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 10: But I think that's part of the other promp Kenny,

1136
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 10: is that we're on a weekly basis, we're seeing you know,

1137
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 10: Mayhem and then when you like a structured, very technical,

1138
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 10: nice fights.

1139
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 5: All right, that's good.

1140
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 6: You know what we're saying, John is boxing's way too

1141
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 6: civilized for us, really though, such a cool experience to

1142
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 6: step into that world, and we don't do a lot

1143
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 6: of UFC stadium shows, and that was cool. As well,

1144
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 6: and you know, sort of weird for me.

1145
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 8: I guess weird maybe is the wrong adjective, but a

1146
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 8: pressurized spot when you haven't called a sport like that,

1147
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 8: and I can have this conversation with you guys on

1148
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 8: the other side, I hadn't called a boxing match as

1149
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 8: Kenny nos since Bittai Klitchko and Shannon Briggs in twenty ten.

1150
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 8: So to be entrusted with a microphone for a fight

1151
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 8: of this magnitude, you can imagine how seriously I took

1152
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 8: it to make sure you're doing right by the athletes.

1153
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 8: But I essentially watched the entire Bud Crawford fight library

1154
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 8: over the last three weeks.

1155
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 6: I did not watch it while he was competing, right.

1156
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, you definitely killed.

1157
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 10: I know one thing. Nobody's out working you. That's what

1158
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 10: I believe in my heart that that is almost impossible.

1159
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 10: And I think you even alluded to by you had

1160
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 10: everything on the menu two times over. But I don't

1161
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 10: think people I don't even know if people had.

1162
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: Your work ethic anymore, to be honest with you, But

1163
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 5: great job, and you know it was.

1164
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 10: It was a good night and overall just you know,

1165
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 10: but getting the bed at four in the morning kind

1166
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 10: of sucked.

1167
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, something.

1168
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 8: You can be sure that our lead producer, Zach Candido,

1169
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 8: would love the UFC shows to happen more expeditiously. There

1170
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 8: are a lot of masters to serve. But whenever I

1171
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 8: hear the word pacing, the notion that the UFC and

1172
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 8: boxing can't do it better is just crazy. I mean,

1173
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 8: we need to turn and go. Yeah, you know, I'm

1174
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 8: sure I think I out here, you know.

1175
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 5: Ye, Yeah, I think Dana has complete range.

1176
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 10: I think he'll make a lot of changes. But and

1177
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 10: I think that's when we're talking about pacing. And I

1178
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 10: could be wrong about the first round, but I don't

1179
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 10: think it even gave you anything to say.

1180
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 5: That's why you just you didn't interject anything.

1181
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 8: Oh well, yeah, I mean there are a lot of

1182
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 8: different things in terms of yeah, we I mean it's

1183
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 8: really like sort of behind that inside the actors studio

1184
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 8: in terms of all of that.

1185
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 6: But no, I mean you certainly, I'm not.

1186
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 8: I was not going to when I talk to people

1187
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 8: about play by play and commentators. Right when I'm watching

1188
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 8: a sporting event, oftentimes I'm not paying attention to the

1189
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 8: announcers unless they get in the way of my experience,

1190
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 8: you know, and that's we're trying to be as listenable

1191
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 8: as possible over eight hours and not getting the way

1192
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 8: of the sporting event.

1193
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 6: Right.

1194
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 8: So when Canelo and Crawford are walking, my producer will

1195
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 8: say to me anytime, right, But that doesn't mean that

1196
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 8: I mean all right, you know, It's like it's not

1197
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 8: about me, right, So they might say anytime now, and

1198
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 8: then I might give Bud Crawford and his guitar case

1199
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 8: eight more seconds before I say something, you know, Ray,

1200
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 8: before we let you go. So Laron Murphy is probably

1201
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 8: gonna fight Alexander Volkanovsky in December. This was a good

1202
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 8: result this weekend for the top featherweight contenders like Laron

1203
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 8: Murphy and al Jamaine Sterling because because the guy who

1204
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 8: fought Vulk recently, Diego Lopez, won and the guy who

1205
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 8: a lot of people thought might move into that December

1206
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 8: slot against Volkovsky, John Silva, is now out of the mix.

1207
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 6: Right.

1208
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 8: But you know, Laron Murphy was sort of wondering aloud

1209
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 8: how Aljo's name would even be in the mix, and

1210
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 8: not because I'm your friend. I immediately came to al

1211
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 8: Jo's defense, right, And it is interesting. I do believe,

1212
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 8: and maybe this is a foregone conclusion that Laron is

1213
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 8: getting the title fight, right, But you know, based upon

1214
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 8: what I know and what I've seen in the past,

1215
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 8: I don't think they're considering Volkanovsky versus mobs are. It

1216
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 8: would seem to me like there are only two guys

1217
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 8: being considered right now, right, and it's probably gonna be

1218
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 8: an out soon. It's either gonna beat Laron Murphy it's

1219
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 8: gonna be Aljo. Like, do you think there's any chance

1220
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 8: you guys get that fight?

1221
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 10: I think al Jo one million percent deserves to fight.

1222
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll get.

1223
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 10: The fight, but he if I'm al Jo, I'm looking

1224
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 10: my chops at this point. He's in a really good

1225
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 10: spot and I to keep it. Look al Jo's He's

1226
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 10: an intelligent dude. He makes his case former champion. He

1227
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 10: basically hasn't lost at forty five. I mean that Mozart

1228
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 10: fight was raise a thin could have won either direction.

1229
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 5: They have that guy is.

1230
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 10: The top of the top. So what are we talking about?

1231
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 10: Give the guy a title shot. I mean, I like, again,

1232
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 10: the way they handled him at thirty five. I just

1233
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 10: can't see him doing giving the guy a shot that

1234
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 10: I really think he deserves at this point. But he

1235
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 10: definitely deserves a shot, but Larl Murphy deserves a shot too.

1236
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 10: But there's a lot of great fights you can make

1237
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 10: him look even though Silver lost and you still saw

1238
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 10: what he was on Kenny, he was on you know

1239
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 10: what I mean. And Diego is just a listen, this

1240
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 10: is the sport. You gotta be able to take it

1241
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 10: as good as you give it out. And Diego Lopez

1242
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 10: can take it.

1243
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 5: And give it out, you know what I mean.

1244
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 10: And it's what a show of heart that was too me.

1245
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 10: He got kicked in that hin ten times, you know.

1246
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 10: But uh, Silver's not going anywhere. I think he's gonna

1247
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 10: come back stronger because you could see, like when he

1248
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 10: was unloaded, he still got it.

1249
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 5: There's something you know, they have to their ground game.

1250
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 10: Obviously with the roof He fight, they got to make

1251
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 10: some adjustments there because you know, the guy's in mount

1252
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 10: he's at the top of the food chain. He's doing

1253
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 10: the two minute hercules trying to get out, you know

1254
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 10: what I mean. Like just like I'm not I'm not

1255
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 10: saying that, but you know what I mean, Like there

1256
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 10: was no technique there at all, Kenny to reclaim God.

1257
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 10: He was stuck and you know it took you know,

1258
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 10: it took an escape that's not traditional. You could probably

1259
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 10: he probably could have got on board whatever coming out

1260
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 10: of there. But you know, he got away with it.

1261
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 10: He got out and he got back to his feet,

1262
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 10: and they after taking that beat, and he still showed

1263
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 10: some grit and determination and it was going his way

1264
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 10: in that that came out of nowhere. That elbow, another

1265
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 10: spin elbow knocked out. We've never seen that, like four

1266
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 10: weeks in a row. But just a beautiful job by

1267
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 10: Diego Lopez against a really tough guy. And I don't

1268
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 10: think like you can't count the guy out. It wasn't

1269
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 10: like he got caught. He got caught. He made mistakes

1270
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 10: that he I think are correctable or at least a

1271
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 10: little better. Uh he could get but uh yeah no.

1272
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 10: And those guys, those guys all stepped up, all three

1273
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 10: of them. You know, they might have stepped up a

1274
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 10: little too quick. But I don't think any of those

1275
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 10: guys are going anywhere. So there's a great fight, a

1276
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 10: great night.

1277
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 8: I love what you said about Diego Lopez, just the

1278
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 8: willingness to take it and give it promoter's dream. I

1279
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 8: think it is a good way to describe him. And

1280
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 8: I think for al jo he might very well get

1281
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 8: Diego Lopez or John Silva. I know Kenny wants to

1282
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 8: see Al Joe against John Silva, so you might very

1283
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 8: well get one of those guys out ray anything else

1284
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 8: before we let you get on with the rest of

1285
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 8: your monday, my friend, well.

1286
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 10: I mean, I got to talk about Freddy v before

1287
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 10: we get out of here. Freddy Videll, he won on

1288
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 10: the Contenders series on six days notice. The guy dropped

1289
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 10: thirty pounds. He couldn't he got the thirty Kenny and

1290
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 10: cramping up disaster damn.

1291
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 5: You know.

1292
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 10: And he went in there and he pulled it. He

1293
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 10: pulled out a really good win. Given the six days notice,

1294
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 10: Freddy's only got three fights. He wasn't going to get

1295
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 10: into the UFC even however he won. They didn't let

1296
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 10: Bo Nickel in it with three wins, and he submitted

1297
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 10: the guy, So it was good. Freddy stepped up to

1298
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 10: the plate. He wanted to do it, and it worked

1299
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Speaker 10: out really good. I mean, hats off to Freddy Viddell.

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Speaker 10: He showed me a lot. It was one of the

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Speaker 10: guys in the gym that I'm with every day. But man,

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Speaker 10: did he show me a lot in that fight and

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Speaker 10: the whole week leading up to it. Just handled himself

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Speaker 10: a true professional. So I hope this fight, I hope

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Speaker 10: he's worth about four.

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Speaker 5: Or five fights to him.

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Speaker 8: Right right right, so and then maybe get another shot

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Speaker 8: all the Contender series and then be in the UFC.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Danny gave him another shot. He's fighting Gooba the fourteenth.

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Speaker 10: So I think Dana did the right thing to and Freddie.

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Speaker 10: I think man did he he have to dig down

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Speaker 10: deep and just everything was just it was a good week.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it was congratulations, Yeah, congratulations, great job in

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Speaker 6: the corner as always. Nice to see your amazing work

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Speaker 6: highlighted out there for the masses on social media. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's crazy. That was six days ago and so much

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Speaker 6: has happened since, so I forgot. I'm glad you brought.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is, John, It's wild.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I'm literally delirious half my life at this point.

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Speaker 8: It's crazy, dude, I am on complete fumes right now.

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys for carrying the show today and thanks

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Speaker 8: for all the support. Uh leading up to Saturday. Seriously

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Speaker 8: on the backside, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: That was huge and uh, I hope every but he

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Speaker 10: saw your true professionalism and your dedication and hard work

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Speaker 10: and hopefully just things get bigger, bigger and brighter, baby,

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Speaker 10: which you they couldn't get any bigger and brighter, but

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Speaker 10: maybe they could.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, unbelievable job.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. My son though, just wants me managing stopping shop

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Speaker 6: next October. That's what you want, We'll see.

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Speaker 5: Wait, what is that? Managing stopping shop? What is that?

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Speaker 6: We want me to manage the grocery store supermarket every night?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know, hey that's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 8: No, I know, hey, real quick, I gotta get your

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Speaker 8: thoughts on Calvin Gasolon. Can you do it in about

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01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 8: thirty seconds?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: And I mean what what are we? What are we?

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Speaker 6: What are we doing here? You know, it becomes what

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Speaker 6: are we doing here?

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Speaker 5: Kevin? I where are we going with this? Well? Guys, well,

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Speaker 5: I mean obviously the guy.

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Speaker 10: Has always struggled with the weight, but I mean he

1347
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Speaker 10: you know, I think he said it like he hit him.

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Speaker 8: Sign about agreement for it weights on the about agreement.

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Speaker 9: And it was at one eighty five, not one seventy

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Speaker 9: yet Listen, I think Kelvin's been fighting a long time, man,

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Speaker 9: and I think that's one thing that has been really

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 9: difficult for him, is kind of managing his weight in

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Speaker 9: between fights, and that to me typically and I think

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Speaker 9: he still fights with the passion.

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Speaker 6: He does have that.

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Speaker 9: Hunger in that regard, but outside of the cage, being

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Speaker 9: disciplined with with the weight, with your diet, that's something

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Speaker 9: that he's always struggled with. And I think it's only

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01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 9: going to get worse as you get later in your

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Speaker 9: later on in your career. And it's unfortunate, man, because

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Speaker 9: you know the UFCS, they're not gonna be happy with that.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, anyway, I mean.

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Speaker 5: And I like Kelvin. He's really he's just a nice

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01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 5: He's been a nice guy from the first day I met. Oh,

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Speaker 5: he's a study.

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Speaker 10: But I do think he's I think he's got a

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 10: serious eating disorder. Though I don't think it's he might

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Speaker 10: fall into a category.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: He's struggling with something though, like he's really I believe

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Speaker 10: he's struggling. I don't think it's that he doesn't care.

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Speaker 10: I think, you know, I had a girl once that

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Speaker 10: she had to be three hundred pounds and she was

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Speaker 10: going to doctor Ratkins to see him personally. Couldn't lose

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Speaker 10: an ounce, and I was putting her on the versic line,

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Speaker 10: was trying to I don't know if that's the case,

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Speaker 10: but I mean I did.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you want to believe it's not just like.

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Speaker 10: I don't give a fuck, but you're right when you

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Speaker 10: sign that agreement.

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Speaker 6: Are you saying Kelvin's three hundred pounds right?

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Speaker 5: No?

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01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 10: No, no, I'm saying I'm saying, I really believe this

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01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 10: guy struggles with something or his body's not responding like

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Speaker 10: a normal person. I don't know, maybe I just I

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01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 10: could be completely wrong, but well, I feel bad for him.

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Speaker 10: I mean, because this is it's not a good look.

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Speaker 10: Like again, don't sign the agreement if you can't make

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 10: me weight and right, I just watched my guy almost

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Speaker 10: die seriously cutting thirty pounds. You had to go another

1391
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 10: five in six days. I saw Wideman kill himself. Wouldn't

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Speaker 10: accept three pounds, You just wouldn't do it. You were

1393
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 10: in there on the floor, like what was that you

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Speaker 10: were in?

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Speaker 5: Oh? What about that?

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01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 10: Go back to that that we just talked about that

1397
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 10: yesterday because for rollas fighting in Vancouver, and I said,

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 10: the last time I was there was that's.

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Speaker 6: The story, that's right where he was fucking.

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Speaker 10: Couldn't even turn his head to thank me, and I

1401
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Speaker 10: got joking. You know certain things you remember. But that's again,

1402
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Speaker 10: that's a guy that wants to do the right thing.

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Speaker 6: Kenny finally rehydrated in twenty seventeen. I think, like.

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Speaker 8: Fully so, no, but at some point in time, you

1405
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 8: are cheating the sport, even though Dustin salts food scats

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 8: thirty five percent of his purse, and it does come

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Speaker 8: down to discipline, Like I probably put on seven pounds.

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Speaker 6: Do I have a disorder?

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Speaker 8: I probably put on seven pounds since I got off

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Speaker 8: the air Saturday. Now you know how many fucking gummy

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Speaker 8: bears I ate?

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Speaker 6: We gotta go?

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Speaker 5: I think right's fucking great. Yeah, But I say you,

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Speaker 5: thirty five percent is a big number.

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Speaker 6: Man, That is a big number.

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Speaker 8: So it was one hundred and ninety nine pounds when

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Speaker 8: you were supposed to weigh eighty six or whatever.

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Speaker 5: He like.

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Speaker 10: That's why I say he's definitely not motivated by money,

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Speaker 10: because that's a big chunk to come out of your paycheck.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I know he fought twice in short order,

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Speaker 8: and uh yeah, I'm not trying to come down too

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Speaker 8: hard on the guy, but it's just sort of like,

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Speaker 8: you know, he sort of yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 10: Wait, John, let me say another thing and again listen

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Speaker 10: part of the blade.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say. This is the UFC too.

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Speaker 10: They did, asking the guy on a month's notice to fight,

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Speaker 10: and it's the old saying. You put a gun in

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Speaker 10: a monkey's hand and he shoots somebody, Whose.

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Speaker 5: Fault is it? Yeah? Right, right, you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 5: that's what they did.

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Speaker 10: They know the guy can't make the weight most likely

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Speaker 10: it's not in a favor. Why take the go with

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Speaker 10: a guy that is a guaranteed lock I don't know,

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Speaker 10: just Mike the Woods whatever.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, he could make fifty six to save his life.

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Speaker 6: But that's a conversation for another day. Right, we gotta go.

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Speaker 8: so Kenny Callum walshbeet Fernando Vargas Junior in the co

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Speaker 8: main event on Netflix, and congratulations to Callum. I just

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Speaker 8: came away from this live event with a lot of

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Speaker 8: Lester Martinez, King Moa Laquelle, the Saudi Arabian kid who's

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Speaker 8: twenty one and just has the straightest job I've ever seen,

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Speaker 8: and Calum Walshin Fernando Vargas Junior both and this was

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Speaker 8: the biggest stage of their careers. They had to deal

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Speaker 8: with a lot of different pressures that didn't accompany previous fights.

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Speaker 8: And I guess my thesis natement after the fight is

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Speaker 8: like what a thankless space combat sports is, because when

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Speaker 8: you're a young undefeated fighter right credit to ZUFA Boxing

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Speaker 8: and his excellency Turkey al Shake and Dana White and

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Speaker 8: Nick con for making this fight right now, close fight

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Speaker 8: on paper in a lot of respects, even though Callum

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Speaker 8: Walsh was maybe a minus two to eighty five favorite,

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Speaker 8: but two young undefeated fighters that maybe in eras past

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Speaker 8: would have been protected. Even Callum Walsh said in our

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Speaker 8: Fighter Meeting that Fernando Vargas Junior should have been protecting

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Speaker 8: that name a little bit longer and not fighting me

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Speaker 8: right now. But you can't always have style points, he

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Speaker 8: can't always finish and Callum Walsh, I think did need

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Speaker 8: to prioritize the O and the outcome really for him

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Speaker 8: was never in question. I don't know how much of

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Speaker 8: the fight you saw, but you know, sometimes I feel

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Speaker 8: like fighters aren't celebrated enough when they have a clean

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Speaker 8: sweep or win a fight the way they're supposed to do,

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Speaker 8: and then they got to deal with, you know, criticism

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Speaker 8: on Sunday morning. It's just a tough game, it.

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Speaker 6: Really is, man.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: I think just to get into, you know the world

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01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 9: of professional boxing or professional fighting in general is extremely difficult,

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 9: and then to define your way onto some of these

1515
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 9: huge cards in boxing or in the UFC or wherever

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 9: you're fighting at a high level, it is so tough,

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 9: you know, and like to Canelo's point, what he was

1518
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 9: saying earlier, it's like you've already woned that point and

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 9: then whatever you're able to do on top of that

1520
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 9: to make yourself successful and to have your name out

1521
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 9: there with some of the greats, it's a huge accomplishment, man,

1522
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 9: in a sport where, you know, and just professional sports

1523
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 9: in general, very few fans are going to truly, truly

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 9: appreciate you, just because everyone's kind of looking to pick

1525
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 9: you apart all the time. And yeah, no, my respect

1526
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 9: is just immense for these guys, whether it's boxing or

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 9: mixed martial arts. You know, when when you're fighting at

1528
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 9: the highest levels, there's so much that can go right

1529
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 9: and wrong leaning up to a fight, and you know,

1530
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 9: especially when there's so much on the line further ahead,

1531
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 9: you know, you don't win this one, you're not going

1532
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 9: to get those other opportunity, So you have to do

1533
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 9: what's best for your career, for your family, for your

1534
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 9: bank account, for your legacy, all those things.

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 6: So yeah, screw everybody.

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Speaker 8: Else well, And unfortunately, in boxing, one loss can really

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01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 8: determine an entire career. It's not like MMA. And you

1538
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 8: might have heard Andre Ward say at the end of

1539
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 8: our live broadcast, and again so much thoughtfulness from Andre

1540
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 8: sog Ward throughout the entire broadcast, but he said, you know,

1541
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 8: one thing boxing needs to maybe take a page out

1542
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 8: of the MMA book would be losses. That losses can't

1543
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 8: necessarily be defining that in boxing they are so defining.

1544
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 8: In an MMA, they aren't necessarily defining. Everybody sort of

1545
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 8: meets their match, and I just thought it was a

1546
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 8: really important piece of context. We had a heavyweight prelium

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01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 8: between Jermaine Franklin Junior and e Von Ditschko, and I

1548
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 8: think in that particular fight, levying some criticism would be okay,

1549
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 8: huge opportunity for two heavyweights, and neither one really did

1550
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 8: much with it. And Ditchko loses his oh unceremoniously in

1551
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 8: a fight that most people thought he won, and Jermaine

1552
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 8: Franklin Junior, in the biggest fight of his career, was

1553
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 8: just being land basted by his corner all night long

1554
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 8: for maybe not maximizing the moment and then he sort

1555
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 8: of gets gifted a decision. But I do believe when

1556
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 8: it comes to Callum for an in of Argus Junior,

1557
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 8: you know, they fought a clean, competitive fight. I was entertained,

1558
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 8: And one thing I also thought was interesting, real real

1559
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 8: quick on the way out.

1560
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 6: You know, Callum was defending his.

1561
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 8: WBA Continental America's belt, and you know he sort of

1562
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 8: said dead panting during the week, yeah, belts at home,

1563
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 8: I don't even know. And you know, all week for

1564
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 8: of Argus Junior is saying you know, and new, you know,

1565
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 8: and the new and you know, I'm sort of thinking

1566
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 8: we're not. We don't acknowledge this as a title fight

1567
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 8: on broadcast. So you know, had Vargus Junior knocked Callum out,

1568
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 8: Callum out, I wasn't gonna be screaming and new. It's

1569
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 8: just interesting me stepping into that world. What belts we acknowledge,

1570
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 8: maybe what we don't. You know, Max Kellerman hasn't acknowledged

1571
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 8: an alphabet belt in twenty five years on the air.

1572
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 6: I'm the play by play guy. You know.

1573
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 8: If you think I'm not going to acknowledge Christian and

1574
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 8: Bialy's alphabet super Middleweight Interim Championship, I'm gonna do that,

1575
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 8: you know. So all right, well, I'm excited to call

1576
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 8: UFC three twenty. I'll tell you that I'm excited to

1577
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 8: get back to back to my roots a little bit.

1578
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 8: Thanks to Ray Longo, Thanks to our producer Cody Merrow,

1579
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 8: Thanks to my twin brother Jason for being out here

1580
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 8: in Vegas for helping me prep.

1581
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 6: Thanks to the great Kenny Florian. We are gone for

1582
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 6: eight or nine days right now.

1583
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 8: Ken Flow is taking Team Florian International, and we will

1584
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 8: be back with you on September twenty sixth, and we'll

1585
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 8: be looking ahead to the Perth show. I believe Carlos

1586
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 8: Olberg and Dominic Rays are the men on the marquee.

1587
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 8: But thanks to everybody for the warm embrace in the

1588
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 8: boxing world. Your support certainly means the absolute world to me.

1589
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 8: I have read your comments, even if I can't respond

1590
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 8: to them, all hits me right in the hot Thank

1591
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 8: you all very much, Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening

1592
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 8: to the Ant Comploring Podcast. We will talk to you

1593
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 8: on Friday, September twenty sixth. Until then, for Kemp Flung,

1594
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 8: John and thanks for watching them listening to gel there,

1595
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 8: Kenny Floy and I got it, baby, we did it.