WEBVTT - Beyond The Barbecue: The Real Work of Juneteenth

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and it shit Boy my son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of TMI.

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<v Speaker 2>Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and.

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<v Speaker 1>Inspiration name new Energy.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on, my son, Lennon, I am feeling groovy today.

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<v Speaker 4>Grill Bay Real Bag shout out to save the brand.

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<v Speaker 4>You know my man Boom Boom. This is his sweating.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's y'all new creations that y'all be making up over there. Listen,

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<v Speaker 3>are you instructing him at the Culture Gallery? Culture's Gallery?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Culture's Gallery.

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<v Speaker 4>That's our store in Westchester eighteen fifty seven Westchester Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>Please pull up and.

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<v Speaker 3>So at the store, are you guys encouraging boom Boom

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<v Speaker 3>and giving him design direction or is he just pumping

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<v Speaker 3>out what.

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<v Speaker 2>He Boom Boom is a master designer. Just now.

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<v Speaker 4>He has his new shades called the Hater Blockers, so

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<v Speaker 4>you come get you Hated blockers. He has all types

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<v Speaker 4>of shirts, shorts, he has whatever you need.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom Boom does he make stuff for girls?

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<v Speaker 2>He makes all the stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no way, Bronx Logo never sent me a thing,

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom Boom is the man.

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<v Speaker 3>So for people who are listening and watching. Uh, the

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<v Speaker 3>culture's gallery is our friend Bronx Logos store in the

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<v Speaker 3>Bronx and Boom Boom is his son, who is becoming

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<v Speaker 3>quickly the most I don't know, the highest earning entrepreneur

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<v Speaker 3>over there, his brand.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the man, he keeps the lights open over there.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the silent partner. I just you know, do the stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>but you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to hear about the stuff about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wouldn't know what's I'm just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Silent partner that does what he's supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What does silent partners do for anybody who wants to

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<v Speaker 3>be a silent partner? No, you didn't just put your

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<v Speaker 3>hand over your silence. But I want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>through silent partners?

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<v Speaker 2>What is ther?

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<v Speaker 3>But give us some advice if we want to be

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<v Speaker 3>a good silent.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Invest?

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<v Speaker 1>Invest the.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh that's not being a good silent okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>then and also promotion because you do do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the non silent part So are you a silent partner?

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<v Speaker 1>Are not?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Please forget it?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell exactly how this relationship probably works where he's not

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<v Speaker 3>sure from day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you silent or are you not?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm definitely a silent part.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, so y'all keeping it going, but I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate that boom boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to you for your sis. I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Silent.

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<v Speaker 4>We have some silent partners. Nelson like people doing. We

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<v Speaker 4>got a real business going on. Not for the coaches

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<v Speaker 4>gallery is a dope place. The atmosphere is dope. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're starting programs for kids and then we were about

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<v Speaker 4>to start doing our raising kings one of our days

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<v Speaker 4>there where we teach the kids how to be entrepreneurs,

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<v Speaker 4>how to use the machines, make their own brands, and

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<v Speaker 4>all of those things. Also teaching them by the emotional intelligence.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're creating something over there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I mean to keep it going for all

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<v Speaker 3>this time is certainly admirable. Shout out to Bronx Logo

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<v Speaker 3>because this is a young we should have.

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<v Speaker 1>We should interview.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to bring Logo up here, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>We got we gotta interview him so he could tell

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<v Speaker 3>his story about his life prize.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a Bronx Hero too. He just got his Bronx.

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<v Speaker 3>Hero Yeah, he got his award which I still need

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<v Speaker 3>to post. And uh, he is someone who he had

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<v Speaker 3>already created the what was that logo of the Bronx

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<v Speaker 3>logo that so for folks, Jose but in the Bronx

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<v Speaker 3>logo that he created before going to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he did how many years?

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<v Speaker 2>Then he did five years, five.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, came home, started figuring it out from nothing. He

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<v Speaker 3>literally built it all from the dirt. That's like a

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<v Speaker 3>very true story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people say that and they don't mention that their

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<v Speaker 3>parents lent them ten thousand or what, or they had

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<v Speaker 3>five thousand and the mattress from before they let they

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<v Speaker 3>don't mention, but he didn't have that. He really started

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<v Speaker 3>with nothing created and took his brand, just the Bronx

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<v Speaker 3>logo and started getting that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he went to the truck.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he went to the car. First.

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<v Speaker 4>First he just brought some T shirts. He was selling

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<v Speaker 4>the T shirts. Okay, Then he got his car.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he pressing them up in his house still at

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<v Speaker 1>that time?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool?

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<v Speaker 4>And then at that point he got a car and

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<v Speaker 4>he was selling out the car, and he brought the machine.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he started doing his own pressing. And then from

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<v Speaker 4>the mission from the car in the machine. He went

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<v Speaker 4>to the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>The bus the bus was was it hit ye right

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<v Speaker 2>around with the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>So things that off the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bricking mortar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Now there's an actual building. And I'm proud of him.

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<v Speaker 3>And he has a job. So this what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 3>he really needs to be going to put Bronx logo

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<v Speaker 3>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nothing wrong with having a job as you still

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<v Speaker 4>be an entrepreneur and building.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody that we know very well told me dead to

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<v Speaker 3>my face, y'all want me to have a job. And

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<v Speaker 3>I ain't trying to have no job because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>need a job.

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<v Speaker 1>But you need a job.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Well, I'm working on my other stuff, but

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<v Speaker 3>you still need a job. Jobs are important until you

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<v Speaker 3>can get to the next stays. Now, of course, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to become complacent, so you have to have

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<v Speaker 3>the energy that I refuse to let this job be

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<v Speaker 3>my final stop, because that does.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just too right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's making sure that you have a job that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>limit you from chasing whatever it is that you try.

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<v Speaker 4>Your archer, no of you, you know you have dreams

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<v Speaker 4>of doing things. You get you a night job right,

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<v Speaker 4>you get your job, well, you get your parts whatever

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<v Speaker 4>it seven to three, Yes, but you got to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that your financial things are taken care of. You

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<v Speaker 4>got to make sure that the bills is paid. You

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<v Speaker 4>need a phone, you need a place to live, you

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<v Speaker 4>need some food like those things, and that's what your

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<v Speaker 4>job should be for. And you should be able to

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<v Speaker 4>pay your bills. And then whatever you do outside of

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<v Speaker 4>that is everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's facts. So I agree one thousand percent. I

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<v Speaker 3>have had a job my whole life, in addition to

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<v Speaker 3>my entrepreneurial activities. And yeah, sure there's been times because

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<v Speaker 3>people say balance, and I hear what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the skills that if I knew at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>I may have structured my life a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I would go to work from seven to three.

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<v Speaker 3>My problem was I wouldn't get up early enough to

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<v Speaker 3>be out by three o'clock. I'm rolling into the office

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<v Speaker 3>at ten fifteen. So by the time you get there

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<v Speaker 3>ten fifteen, you gotta stay till six o'clock six fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>in order to fulfill a full day's work. But people

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<v Speaker 3>who had that early bird gets the word or the

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<v Speaker 3>late night shift and then you work on whatever your

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<v Speaker 3>passion is. That's a really smart strategy. But the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that a part of your or building your business means

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<v Speaker 3>depending on other people to bail you out, or or

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<v Speaker 3>just going broke struggling by yourself, especially in this economy,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a good day. It's an And I can.

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<v Speaker 4>Come to this because I had this mentality at one point.

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<v Speaker 4>It was I was just never gonna work. And and

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<v Speaker 4>it's a struggle, right, And if you don't have some

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<v Speaker 4>money to invest in what you're doing, or you don't

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<v Speaker 4>you haven't built a name or a brand or something,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to figure out how to get financially stable.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I had to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to say, damn, I need to Bill still

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<v Speaker 4>got to get paid. I don't care how long working

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<v Speaker 4>on my dream when I want to do these, bill

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<v Speaker 4>still got to get paid. I got to figure how

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<v Speaker 4>do I make enough money.

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<v Speaker 1>To sustain Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of kids, don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Please don't get into that I'm not working thing, man,

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<v Speaker 4>because everything is a job, and bills are gonna come

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<v Speaker 4>every month.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they do, they come every month. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, bills come every month. You can't let that

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<v Speaker 3>get into your mindset. You do have to be strong

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<v Speaker 3>enough to stick to your passion, because you can easily

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<v Speaker 3>become complacent and just be like, oh, well, the dream

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<v Speaker 3>is not working, so I'm just gonna stick with the job.

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<v Speaker 3>But sometimes you find out that maybe you are meant

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<v Speaker 3>to have a job because you might not have the

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<v Speaker 3>skill set to run a business. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>think running a business or running an organization. It's people

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<v Speaker 3>that do not understand the work that goes into running

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<v Speaker 3>the organization. I spent a large part of my morning

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<v Speaker 3>today Linda and me on the phone with our financial

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<v Speaker 3>advisors and our accountants and you know, all the folks

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<v Speaker 3>that handle our financial businesssiness, having a two hour conversation

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<v Speaker 3>while I was at the doctor's office, which brings me

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<v Speaker 3>in a minute to my thought of the day. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was literally in the doctor's office with the thing

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<v Speaker 3>in my ear, listening to the back and forth about

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<v Speaker 3>how our resources are being spent, where new money is

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<v Speaker 3>coming from, looking at all the different line items like.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really serious.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just say all of that to say to

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<v Speaker 3>people that we have to be You gotta especially as

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<v Speaker 3>young people, you got to have a both and strategy

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of times going to the work on

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<v Speaker 3>the job and learning that discipline of being at work

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<v Speaker 3>at a certain time, having to fill out or submit reports,

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<v Speaker 3>having assignments, and knowing how to conduct yourself in a

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<v Speaker 3>professional space. That's important because part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>so many people get into business and they're not doing

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<v Speaker 3>well from a customer service perspective, they're not managing their

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<v Speaker 3>stock and all of their their the products and services

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<v Speaker 3>properly is because they have had no training. They woke

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<v Speaker 3>up one day and now they got a lip gloss

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<v Speaker 3>or a do rag or a restaurant, and they've not

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<v Speaker 3>taken the time to work with anybody else who's been

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<v Speaker 3>able to teach them those skills. Yes, you can go

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<v Speaker 3>to college and courses and you know, trade schools and

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<v Speaker 3>all of that and get some of it, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is nothing like working in a space where every single

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<v Speaker 3>day you are learning the skill set because guess what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>You can you can sit.

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<v Speaker 3>Around and read a book all day long, but when

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<v Speaker 3>that thing hits you in an angle wasn't in the book,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be trying to figure out what the hell am

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<v Speaker 3>I supposed to do? With this, and you do need

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<v Speaker 3>good mentors to help teach you that, and the best

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<v Speaker 3>way is to watch it while actually while not having

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<v Speaker 3>the responsibility of fixing the problem on your owns, right

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<v Speaker 3>you know, So that's my suggestion. But you know there'll

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<v Speaker 3>be somebody in the comments who's like, oh, no, you're

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<v Speaker 3>encouraging people to go get a job instead of focusing

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<v Speaker 3>on building for self. Yeah, okay, well you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you teach me, most people do not

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<v Speaker 3>have the luxury of not of someone that funds your dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>If you don't have somebody funding your dream, and you're

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<v Speaker 4>a grown man and you got kids and all that,

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<v Speaker 4>you realize every day that these bills still they don't

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<v Speaker 4>disappear because you're chasing this dream. So that's that that's

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<v Speaker 4>something that you have to learn. And a lot of

0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.120
<v Speaker 4>people don't think that. They think they listen to the

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<v Speaker 4>stories and they watch, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>How they put this person put their lip gloss online

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<v Speaker 3>and the pots, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't see that.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't understand that they've been a long process, like

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of artists, that people be seeing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he did once in a while.

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<v Speaker 4>There's something that go overnight, But there's artists that I

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<v Speaker 4>see now that I was like, and they tell you, y'all,

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing this seven eight years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing this like the grind that I had to

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<v Speaker 4>build to do certain things. It was a long process,

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<v Speaker 4>and people just.

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<v Speaker 1>Just over and we still grind and were.

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<v Speaker 4>Still grinding every day and we're just building up. Just

0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.040
<v Speaker 4>to build your brand takes time, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 4>just I employ everyone to get employed.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Get employed, be employed. So, speaking of my thought of

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<v Speaker 3>the day, women's health. Boy, I had an experience that

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<v Speaker 3>really helps me to understand why so many people are

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<v Speaker 3>not getting the care that they need for certain illnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like your checkups.

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<v Speaker 3>And keeping and making sure that you are monitoring your

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<v Speaker 3>whole body from head to toe so that if something

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<v Speaker 3>comes up, you have the ability to get in front

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<v Speaker 3>of an issue rather than to be behind. Right, I

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<v Speaker 3>see it and it happened to me because so I

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<v Speaker 3>got a mammogram this week, And for anybody who does

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<v Speaker 3>not know what a mammogram is, it is when you

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<v Speaker 3>get your breast checked for breast cancer, any tumors, or

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<v Speaker 3>any issues that may be happening in your breast.

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<v Speaker 1>Your lymph nodes.

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<v Speaker 3>So under your arm they give you a full scan,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is uncomfortable, very uncomfortable, but very necessary because

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<v Speaker 3>predetermination of any issue is better again than finding out later.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I first asked for the appointment, I got

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<v Speaker 3>back all the documentation, or the first thing before they

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<v Speaker 3>sent the documentation, they sent through the mychart system a

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<v Speaker 3>bill for fifty dollars, which cool, copey, I know, fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm used to paying that. But then a few days

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<v Speaker 3>later they sent me a bunch of documents that need

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<v Speaker 3>to be signed. If you sign those documents before you

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<v Speaker 3>get to the facility, it makes your time in the

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<v Speaker 3>waiting area reception shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>So no problem, that's a new thing that I actually like.

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<v Speaker 3>And then well, okay, let me stick with my point,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, I was getting ready to go off

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<v Speaker 3>into something else. But and so, but embedded in this

0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:15.280
<v Speaker 3>message wasn't just the documents. It was another two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that I had to pay. Nah, Like, seriously, that's

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<v Speaker 3>crazy to me and I and we have great insurance

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<v Speaker 3>at until Freedom. I mean, it's expensive, but nonetheless we

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<v Speaker 3>have good insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, what the heck?

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<v Speaker 3>So now I'm clicking stuff, and I open up the

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<v Speaker 3>bill to see exactly one thing they do give you. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>back in the days, you did not know the specifics

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<v Speaker 3>of the bill, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to get the.

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<v Speaker 3>Carbon copy at the facility and try to look it

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<v Speaker 3>up and read all of these weird words.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't do that no more online.

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<v Speaker 3>In the march my chart system, it clearly said the

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<v Speaker 3>appointment is fifteen hundred. They're covering thirteen and something something something.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you got your.

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<v Speaker 3>Copay and they added all this stuff up and it

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<v Speaker 3>came to a little more than what the insurance was paying,

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<v Speaker 3>which was two hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>A matter of fact, that's not a little more. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking to myself, if I'm somebody who again,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in this economy, but just in general, I'm already struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making ends meet.

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<v Speaker 3>This two hundred dollars is the difference between me making

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<v Speaker 3>my rent payment and or not, or my groceries or

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<v Speaker 3>daycare or even my enjoyment whatever it is that I

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<v Speaker 3>want to do with my life. Ain't nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 3>my breast. They're not hurting me, they're not feeling any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of way because you know, we get a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of ignorant things in our minds.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna just rub around myself the way that they

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<v Speaker 3>teach you, because they do teach you at the gyanacologist

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<v Speaker 3>office that if you need to be checking, don't wait

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<v Speaker 3>for the next year. Just make sure if you feel

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<v Speaker 3>anything sore, if you feel any lumps, you need to

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<v Speaker 3>say something. So imagine somebody that knows those things. That's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like, I'm not paying two hundred more dollars

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<v Speaker 3>after you already paid fifty. That's two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that I paid to go get checked for something

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<v Speaker 3>that this country should be giving you for free, because

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<v Speaker 3>we should be making sure that people do not have

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<v Speaker 3>breast cancer and other sicknesses because that's what weighs on

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<v Speaker 3>our medical system.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh duh.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just to Once I saw that, I just started

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<v Speaker 3>to I just and I know there are all these

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<v Speaker 3>programs that give mammograms two folks for free once a year,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe even twice a year.

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<v Speaker 1>They have all these facilities.

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<v Speaker 3>That you can go to in programs. But your but

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<v Speaker 3>but it's I just it begs the question in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is not a Democrat versus Republican or this

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<v Speaker 3>person versus that person. This is just for us as

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<v Speaker 3>a nation. What in the hell are we doing when

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<v Speaker 3>a woman has to spend two hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to go get something that should just be a basic

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<v Speaker 3>right that we just want to make sure your breast

0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 3>are good because if you get cancer there, right, and

0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.440
<v Speaker 3>understanding that black women are number one, We're number one

0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:20.280
<v Speaker 3>in every damn thing that is harming and killing people, right,

0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.160
<v Speaker 3>We're number one killing women. So I would just think

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.480
<v Speaker 3>that we would want that to be a service, knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that breast cancer is something it gets in your body

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<v Speaker 3>and it can spread, and it really kills so.

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<v Speaker 1>Many women, like so many people.

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<v Speaker 3>Why the hell are people paying two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to get their breast checked it?

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<v Speaker 4>It is a microcosm of what's going wrong with America

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<v Speaker 4>right now, right when we look at just the political

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<v Speaker 4>stance and we look at just how everything and what

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<v Speaker 4>we should be focusing on is health, right, like that

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<v Speaker 4>should be the main thing. It's no way that people

0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.040
<v Speaker 4>should have to pay to be healthy. There's no way

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<v Speaker 4>people should have to pay to be educated, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>America is supposed to be this great place, and we

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<v Speaker 4>have people here that tell us that that shouldn't be a.

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<v Speaker 1>Luxury, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That the outside of America, people have free.

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<v Speaker 1>Health care, some of them, someplace, some places.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying I'm not saying everywhere, but there are places

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<v Speaker 4>in the world where people have free health care and

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<v Speaker 4>they have free education, and those should be things that

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<v Speaker 4>if we want of the greatest nations in the world,

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<v Speaker 4>why would we not want to make sure that everyone

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<v Speaker 4>is healthy and everyone is.

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<v Speaker 3>Educated, right, and the facilities that they have in other

0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:41.080
<v Speaker 3>nations where there is free health care, the places are

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<v Speaker 3>not shithold no where.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go there, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>People talking to you crazy, and the place is half dirty,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know it's it's unkept. I just don't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. America just needs a whole reset because I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't pay two hundred and fifty dollars last year, so

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, and I don't want to speculate because

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't had time to do some research on why

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<v Speaker 3>this is now a cost. I paid fifty dollars copay

0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.399
<v Speaker 3>last year. Now I'm up to two hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I need somebody to explain to me. But what I

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<v Speaker 3>was going to say, in addition, is that one thing

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<v Speaker 3>about my chart that I appreciate this time is that

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<v Speaker 3>I was able to read all of those consent forms

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<v Speaker 3>that when you are sitting in the doctor's office and

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<v Speaker 3>you got to hurry up because you're trying to go

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<v Speaker 3>with your appointment, you already know if you say no

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.680
<v Speaker 3>to half of that stuff, then you kind of can't

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<v Speaker 3>get the appointment.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're just saying yes, yes, yes, and yes.

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<v Speaker 3>But because I was taking the time while getting my

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<v Speaker 3>little pedicure to read every single form, there was things

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.040
<v Speaker 3>in there to ask whether I would be willing to

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<v Speaker 3>be a part of experiments and research.

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<v Speaker 1>And you get nothing for it, which is crazy, right, And.

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<v Speaker 3>They tell you that you are not expected to receive

0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.880
<v Speaker 3>anything for being a part of this experiment, which means

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 3>that they are now about to send my images for

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 3>my breast and whatever they find to all these different

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.400
<v Speaker 3>people for a research and study. And I don't benefit

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<v Speaker 3>if they find something that helps them to go along

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 3>with whatever certain you know, whatever it is that they're doing. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>so that no, damn it, no hell to the now,

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<v Speaker 3>uh no, if I pass away, yes, I will allow

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.800
<v Speaker 3>them to use certain things for research, but no, why

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<v Speaker 3>would I do that? Then there was another form in

0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 3>there that said, do I give the consent to all

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.400
<v Speaker 3>of these different people to have access to my records?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like thirty damn things.

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.879
<v Speaker 3>This facility, this people, in and in pee, all of

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 3>these acronyms. And I said, no, I don't give consent

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.200
<v Speaker 3>to all of these people. And they had, but they

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 3>have different things that you can answer. One said no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>The first one said yes, which you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>All these people get to see my boobs?

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<v Speaker 3>Then the next thing or access to the records about

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<v Speaker 3>my health?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Then the next thing said and by the way, it

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:22.480
<v Speaker 3>didn't just say for the mammogram, It said your health records.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe they meant for the mammogram, but that's not

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<v Speaker 3>what it's said. Because I went back and read it.

0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.439
<v Speaker 3>It's very very you got to read the stuff. You

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<v Speaker 3>got to read it, because where's the word that said

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<v Speaker 3>for the if I want to give consent, where's the

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.480
<v Speaker 3>word that says for the mamma gred It did not

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.440
<v Speaker 3>say that, It's said for the health records. So then

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 3>so one said yes, the next one said no except

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 3>in a medical emergency, and then and then it.

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<v Speaker 1>Went on with a couple other options.

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<v Speaker 3>So I chose no excepting a medical emergency because I

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<v Speaker 3>want to imagine if I have an emergency, something that's

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<v Speaker 3>wrong with me, they don't got to go call Tarique

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.640
<v Speaker 3>or some person find them to get it to such

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<v Speaker 3>as and such.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go and do what you need to do. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how they're identifying a medical emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's so open ended that they can decide. It's

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.200
<v Speaker 4>just like everything else in America. Everything is open ended.

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 4>There's no more checks and balances. It's no due process.

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.159
<v Speaker 4>You don't it ain't no step one two three. This

0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 4>is how we identify it is. If we decide that

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 4>it's a medical emergency, we're gonna go on you there exactly. Nah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway I did choose, I think I did better.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also comes with age. So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things we have to teach our kids.

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 3>If I was started, if I had what win. My

0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 3>granddaughter gets to be a little bit older, and as

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 3>time goes on, I want to encourage her parents as

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<v Speaker 3>well as all of my friends and people who have

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 3>small kids, show them what you're signing on their behalf

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.719
<v Speaker 3>read it to them. Get you know what what is this? Oh,

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 3>we're signing this document for school. Don't just sign because

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:05.239
<v Speaker 3>that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, I've done that. I've just signed.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's take the time to actually figure out and

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<v Speaker 3>teach a kid that you don't put your signature on

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<v Speaker 3>something until you have an opportunity to review it, scan

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<v Speaker 3>it at least and try to get the basics. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I have to say. But just to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to my thought of the day, right, my thought

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<v Speaker 3>of the day today is I don't know if people

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<v Speaker 3>really do care about cutting cost and reducing the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of pressure that's on our systems the way that they

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<v Speaker 3>say they do, right, Because if we cared so much

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 3>about that in the medical world, why would we not

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:51.399
<v Speaker 3>be giving people free prostate exams, free breast mammograms and

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 3>things of that nature, free cancer screening.

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 1>We should be giving that away.

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 3>As a nation for free, because that is the only

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<v Speaker 3>way to try to prevent the system from collapsing, is

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<v Speaker 3>preventative care.

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<v Speaker 1>And but we don't do that because.

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<v Speaker 2>The pharmaceutical company does not fit from that.

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>So you need to have full blown cancer. Are you serious?

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Because the pharmaceutical company wants to be able to benefit.

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 4>They want to sell you medicine that's not gonna work anyway.

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 4>They want to get rich.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all medicine doesn't work. Please don't say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I did just say all medicine for the most part,

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 4>when you if you look at cancer, the medicine that

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 4>they're giving you for cancer is not curing cancer.

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not stopping not curing it. But it certainly does

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 1>help some people.

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, for the most part, the ratio of

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 4>people that die from cancer is way higher than medication.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>My mother passed away from cancer, right and the amount

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 4>of money that I was spending for her medication was unreal.

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 4>It was it was unreal, Like it didn't even makes sense.

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember you complaining that towards the end.

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 2>It just didn't even make sense.

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 4>It was like four hundred dollars, this, five hundred dollars this,

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 4>sometimes it was nine hundred. It's like I didn't even

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 4>understand and it wasn't making her any better. It was

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 4>just like I didn't understand none of it, you know,

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 4>the hospital bills. Like I'm just trying to say, they've

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 4>running a racket. They know what they're doing, they're running

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 4>a racket.

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<v Speaker 3>Well okay, I mean it makes me very sad and

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 3>I really am offended that people have to start organizations

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 3>and start groups and clubs and volunteer operations to do

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 3>something that our tax dollars should be paying for.

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what else is pay.

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<v Speaker 3>So moving on for the TMI today, people be doing

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 3>too much, but some people might feel like it's not

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 3>doing too much. So we want to hear from you.

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Is it too much or maybe not even enough? So

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<v Speaker 3>Ari Fletcher posted a video where she was talking about

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<v Speaker 3>folks who have found out which gym she uses to

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<v Speaker 3>work out, and people are showing up to the gym

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 3>wanting to show her stuff about their business or wanting

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 3>to take a picture. You know, Oh girl, I saw

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 3>you was at the gym and I ran down here,

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 3>which I thought that that one was massive creepy, but

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I ran down here so I can show you this

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 3>or talk to you or tell you about whatever. I

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 3>personally think that is absolutely out of line and I

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 3>think it's going too far.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>But there are other people who will say, hear me.

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 3>There are other people who will say, you have to

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>use every opportunity to get that thing right. So there's

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 3>somebody out there who will run to the restaurant that

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 3>they know that Tyler Perry or Denzel go to every month,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 3>and they gonna walk in the door and if they

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 3>could sing, they about to blow their lungs down or

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>act in the middle of the restaurant.

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And if they get the part because Tyler.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Dendel or somebody like that is like or fifty cent,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh man, okay, you're really talented.

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Then if it's something that we might.

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Praise, like man, they did everything possible to get to

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the person, But going.

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:18.959
<v Speaker 1>To try to take a picture, I don't know.

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 3>It's still especially for a woman, it's super creepy. So

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do it, and I don't want anyone to

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>do it to me. But some people might actually celebrate

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 3>it and say, hey, you going for you know your dream?

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what it is, right, it's individuals. Aris.

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Let you know that she don't want it, she ain't

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>with it at all.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 4>You went down and you tried and it ain't work,

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 4>and she tells you it ain't gonna work at all

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 4>because this is where she said, This is her private

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 4>space she come to work out.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 2>She did with who she would.

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 4>She don't want your business, she don't want your card,

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 4>she don't want to know about your lashes.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>She ain't into it.

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 4>So you're gonna be wasting your time going down there

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 4>with are now there are certain artists that you might

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 4>see someplace and you might create a moment that might

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 4>catapult your career. You might they might become, you know, business,

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 4>part of your business for the rest of your life.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And some people just saying with it, and there are

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>artists who are with it.

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 4>You might run into Denzel and you might be able

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 4>to do your best impersonation and he might be like, okay,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 4>clap and he might give you a recommend. There are

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 4>people who they love that you know they.

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if people love it mice.

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:22.479
<v Speaker 2>But there are there are.

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Listen to me, if a certain as an artist, right,

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 4>if a dude could rap really good and he comes

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 4>up to me and he spits, I'd be like, oh,

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 4>I will call somebody like you gotta call producers anything

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 4>I know DJ's Yo, listen, this dude right here, he's somebody.

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 3>It depends somebody to say that. I know you get

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 3>your food from the church across the street or the

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 3>sea spot down.

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 4>The butto everything depends, right. It's just you know, it's

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 4>just like the girl who flirts with you or the

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 4>guy who flirts with you. You don't want to be

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 4>for a guy. If you attracted to a guy and

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 4>he comes up to you and he says, yeah.

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 3>But you can't come find me where I work out

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, that makes me feel like if.

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 2>You've seen a god and he didn't tell you.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 4>He pulled up and you looked at it, and you looked

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 4>at you, and then later on you found out that

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 4>he pulled up because he knew you worked out there

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 4>and he was attracted to you, and you was attracted

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 4>to him. You wouldn't feel that way, but it was

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 4>a creepy looking dude and you see him coming like

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 4>this dude is a stalker.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I'm trying to say.

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 4>It all depends on the circumstances in an individual. With

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 4>certain people. There's some people they just don't give a fuck.

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 4>Already sounds like she is not interested in anybody that's

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 4>outside of her media circle trying to communicate with her and.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Build any kind of from the gym I'm.

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Talking about in that in that.

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 4>In that atmosphere and that set, she's not She's not

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 4>with it, So you have to respect that. But I'm

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 4>saying there are certain people that see it as damn,

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 4>this person is ambitious. You did all of that to

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 4>come to you. Okay, let me see you gotta have

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 4>some There are certain people I.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Need you to figure it out.

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Even if you are a guy that I'm attracted to,

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 3>I still don't want you coming to a First of all,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 3>don't come to the gym when I'm funky and stink

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 3>anyway to come try to have conversation with me. But

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 3>beyond that, I still don't feel comfortable with any person,

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>especially a man tracking me down and I didn't know.

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Like we didn't meet here.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 3>You just happen to see me online working out or

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm you know what, you shouldn't get taking videos. You

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be really taking videos while you're at a place anyway.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 3>But let's just say I decide I want to pop

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 3>on my live while I'm sitting here in this studio

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>and somebody knows where it is, and then they just

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:44.959
<v Speaker 3>come over here like, oh, I just wanted to come,

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 3>because you could also be coming for a different reason,

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 3>and so I don't know. I think, Yes, I'm all

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>for ambition, I'm all for going for what you want,

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 3>but I don't want you to make me feel uncomfortable

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>and nervous or like I need to be ready to

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 3>defend myself.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I'm saying She didn't even say it's about

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 4>her feeling uncomfortable. She just basically said, I'm not wooded

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 4>at the gym. I don't gire for how you might

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 4>somebody just want to hand you a car or I

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 4>know you come here and she don't want none of it.

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>And you just got to respect to people that don't

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>want it at all.

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's an individual thing. You might get your.

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Shot, you might get your shot. It's a lot of

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 4>people who got they shot like that.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, this now opens the floor to all of

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 3>you who I'm sure have something to say about this.

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Is it doing too much or is it okay? Or

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<v Speaker 3>is it maybe even not enough?

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're gonna go into this interview that we already

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 4>pre recorded, you know, and we're gonna give y'all two

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 4>dope individuals.

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 3>So today we are quite honored, definitely two individuals with

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 3>us who are esteemed pristine, just award winning folks, a couple.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>And I love that, you know.

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I love to see people partnered in families that's also

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>doing business together. And so quite excited to introduce to

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>our audience Fox and Rob Rich and both of these

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 3>two beautiful black New Orleans. I guess I'm sure they'll

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>correct me, because you know, people from New Orleans, you

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 3>got to.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Say it right right, New Orleanders.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the subject of an Oscar nominated documentary that

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>was released in twenty twenty called Time and now there

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 3>is a sequel, a follow up to the first documentary

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 3>that is called Time to Unfinished Business. And this family

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 3>has been through a lot. We're gonna learn about a

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 3>man sentenced to sixty one years in prison after this

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 3>family found their backs up against the wall the way

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>so many of us have been in difficult, difficult situations.

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 3>And then he had a wife who never gave up

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 3>and fought for him, and he was released early. And

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 3>instead of them being mad with their lips poked out,

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 3>about who did what to them. They've taken accountability and

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 3>said our responsibility now is to free more folks and

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 3>to ensure that other stories are told. And so I

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>am honored and quite humble by for the opportunity to

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 3>interview and talk with and become friends because you know

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 3>us with our friends on the TMI podcast, they.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Are ready my friends because I've been talking about getting

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 4>some good old New Orleans food so that they about

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 4>to cook for me. So they friends before you even

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 4>did interviews.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 3>So Fox and Rob, welcome to the TMI Show. We

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 3>appreciate y'all so much. And it just feels like, ooh,

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>it's powerful. You know, it's powerful. We watched the film

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 3>and was moved. I had a few tears. This is

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.720
<v Speaker 3>a powerful story. So you know, let's start with the lady,

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>because you seem to be a very very outgoing and

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 3>outspoken part of this duo. To tell us what happened

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 3>to you all, how did you find yourselves in the

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 3>sixty one year situation?

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And then we'll kind of go from there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Miss Tamika d Mallory, it takes one to know

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 5>one because just over the years, every time I have

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 5>seen your image or your name. I've just been a

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 5>cheerleader in the background saying yes, it's you know, so

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 5>thankful for you using your voice and being convicted for

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 5>the rights of our community at such an early age.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 5>So thank you so much for that, and thank you

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 5>for having us on TMI.

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Rob, And don't.

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Take that lightly, but I'm gonna actually pass it to

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 5>the gentleman and I'm introduce us on how how did

0:34:58.800 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 5>all this happen?

0:34:59.560 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 6>Rob?

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 7>It's your fault, all right, So I guess it will

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 7>probably be important to note that well for your listening

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 7>audience that's basically encountering us for the very first time.

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.439
<v Speaker 6>Collectively. We are Fox and Rob Rich.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 7>We're a formerly incarcerated couple who spent more than twenty

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 7>one years behind bars before receiving clemency in twenty and eighteen.

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 7>And I would have to venture to say that probably

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 7>one of the biggest takeaways that we have from our

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 7>family's experience through Louisiana's incarceration system is that to be

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 7>free is to free other people. That being said, once

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 7>I came home, Fox and I started a nonprofit with

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 7>its first initiative as pdum NOLA, which is Participatory Defense

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 7>Movement NOLA, where we teach legal awareness as the best

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 7>form of defense to people that are justice involved. We

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 7>chudge the success of that work by the amount of

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 7>time that we saved someone opposed to the amount of

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 7>time that the person has been sanctioned to serve. And

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 7>to date, as an organization here locally, we have saved

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 7>nearly four thousand years of people doing time here in

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 7>the state of Louisiana, and countrywide through our forty organizations,

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 7>we have saved nearly forty thousand years of people doing

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 7>time from behind bars. And I'm a pause for effect

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 7>on that one there, because I think that's a hand clapped.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:23.959
<v Speaker 6>Kind of moment.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 7>But am and probably the other piece of that would

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 7>be is Fox and I also met as a high

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:40.399
<v Speaker 7>school sweethearts through a mutual friend of ours, And in

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 7>that situation, it turned out that Fox's friend, our mutual friend,

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 7>actually misrepresented the relationship between the two of us and

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 7>had Fox under the impression that she and I had

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 7>something far more deeper going than we.

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 6>Actually had with one another.

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.879
<v Speaker 7>So when I called Fox later on that night trying

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 7>to get my MAC on, she checked me at the door,

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 7>was like, you know, well, you know what you hollering

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 7>at me for aren't you Wanda's friend? And I'm like, no,

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 7>where did you get that from? And she was like,

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 7>well Wanda herself, I said, we need to call Wander.

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 7>So I don't know if your viewers are old enough

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 7>to know when they had start sixty nine. So I'm

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 7>just trying to take here the business up front. So

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 7>I'm like, well, all we go ahead and start sixty

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 7>nine one, and then that way we can get at

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 7>least that part out of the way. And so we

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 7>called Wanda at night and hit her up on three

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 7>Way and she started the small talk, and after she

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 7>realized that I was on the phone as.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, she decided to hang up. That was the moment

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 6>that was the turning moment right there.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 7>I think when Fox finally when she fell in love

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 7>with me, probably for the first time. I'll give way

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 7>to her on that moment to kind of let y'all

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 7>know how she was feeling in that moment when she

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 7>saw a brother take control like that.

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 5>You know, we celebrate on this week, we'll celebrate twenty

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 5>eight years of marriage and thirty eight years of being together.

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 5>And so I think that sometimes when we have conversations,

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 5>people look at the worst thing that we have done,

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 5>and really want to delve into our greatest loss if

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 5>you would, But Rob and I we like to start

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 5>off with what is our greatest victory, And greatest victory

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 5>is our love that we've been able to sustain even

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 5>in our lowest points in life. That the love of

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 5>each other and the love of our family.

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Which includes six sons.

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 5>So I'll probably just drop that aspect of it in

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:35.280
<v Speaker 5>right there to Meeka, Okay, so successful.

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 7>But as high school sweethearts, we started adventure to start

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 7>a business of our own in nineteen ninety seven. We

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 7>eloped and got married in April of nineteen ninety seven

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 7>after an invitation to ask Fox's hand in marriage, to

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 7>which she conceded. Wanted to know how soon was I

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 7>talking about getting married, And I told her I'd be

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 7>willing to beild out tonight if we could and go

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 7>take care of that and we can at least get

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 7>this marriage thing going. And she was shocked and all,

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 7>but she responded back the way way Leo Lyon does,

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 7>and she hooked up a getaway for us to go

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 7>to Kassimi, Saint Cloud, Florida, to a small little wedding

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 7>Chapel where we got married there, and then we later

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 7>that night at what was then called Pleasure Island, we

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 7>consummated our marriage by bungee jumping. Bungee jump for us

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 7>was a jump that was into or passed all of

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 7>the negative things that we had run up against in

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 7>the ten uere on again, off again portion of our

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 7>relationship before exchanging nuptials that earlier that day with one another.

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 6>But in that moment, it was a triumphant moment for us,

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 6>when we soared.

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 7>Out over the city of Orlando and knowing that we

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 7>were now taking our lives in our own hands and

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 7>we were gonna make something doing. I've always had a

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 7>high childhood dream of opening up my own hip hop

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 7>clothing store, and Fox shared in my dream, and so

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 7>we as our first business. Once we came back home

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 7>from our Ario Lopeman. We came back home and started

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 7>our family's first business, which was Culture, a hip hop

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 7>clothing store. Got all excited about the fact that we

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 7>had just got married, we just bought a home together,

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 7>and down here we were starting a business together.

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 6>Went out to Vegas.

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 7>To all of the big fashion shows and all that stuff,

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 7>and ordered a gang of clothes, got back only to

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 7>realize that our investor pulled out on us. And in

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 7>addition to that, as they say in this day in time,

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.839
<v Speaker 7>that life be life and well life life in such

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 7>a way.

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 6>Back then, uh, in our little young minds.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 7>Where our third oldest son took sick with a with

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 7>something that doctors could not diagnose in the moment, and

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 7>I guess I pulled off of John Q in the

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 7>moment as I sought the game, regained financial solvency for

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 7>our family for the loss of our investor on our business.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 7>As they say, desperate people do desperate things, and I

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 7>take desperate measures. The day that I've walked into a bank,

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 7>brandished the firearm and demanded cash, And that therein I guess,

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 7>began the story of Fox and Rob as most people

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 7>know it.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Wow, And you know the reality of the situation is

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 4>people coming from our communities can really identify with that reality.

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 4>It might not have been your business, but a lot

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.919
<v Speaker 4>of us have done things where we felt our back

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.479
<v Speaker 4>was against the wall. You know, And when I listen

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 4>to it and I hear these you people are good people.

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 4>You know that just found yourself in a situation that

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.800
<v Speaker 4>made you react and say, I can't let my family

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 4>just go. I have to figure something out, you know,

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 4>and you were ultimately sentenced to sixty one years in prison.

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 7>Sixty sixty sixty one years. The crazy part, You guys

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 7>would have to even get the backstory as to how

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 7>it even became a sixty one year sentence. We were

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 7>facing zero five to ninety nine years for the arm

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 7>robbery itself, and because there were two counts, we were

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 7>facing arm robbery five to ninety nine times two. And

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 7>in the process of our trial processes, we ultimately ended

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 7>up committing a jury tampering charge along the way, which

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 7>picked us up yet another five to ninety nine years sentence.

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 7>Hence we were facing two hundred and ninety seven years.

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 7>And subsequently, after going to trial, blowing trial and then

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 7>finally reaching the point of sanctions, the district attorney made

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 7>a recommendation to the judge because he wanted to leave

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 7>a He wanted to leave a mark, much in the

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 7>same way that they used to do slaves back in

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 7>the day, when they brand you and hit you with

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 7>something that you'll never forget.

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 6>The DA hit me with something that I would never forget.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 7>Because he reminded the court that it was nineteen thirty

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 7>eight that the last time a jury tampering happened in

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 7>the parish in which I was convicted, and it was

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety nine during that year. So he wanted to

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 7>sentence me to sixty one years, which is the amount

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 7>of time that it had been since the last jury

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 7>tampering that happened in their little small town. And he

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 7>wanted me, he wanted he wanted me to stay with

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 7>that for a while, stick sit with it for a while.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.720
<v Speaker 6>So that's ultimately how it was sentenced to sixty one years.

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So he was clever in the way he did it.

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he knew what he was doing last And I

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 4>know these things. They wanted to make an example, you know.

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 4>They want you to feel these things, and then they

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 4>also want everyone looking to see. It's just like it's

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 4>like the lynching in front of the people, of the

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 4>whipping in front of the slaves, so they know not

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 4>to get out of line, you know. So ultimately you

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 4>were sentenced to sixty one years, And how much time

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 4>did you do?

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Foks.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 5>I have took a pleat deal for two seven year

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 5>sentences and one five year sentence to be run together.

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 5>So after giving birth to my twin boys, I went

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 5>and committed myself to the Department of the Corrections and

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 5>served out three and a half years and then did

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 5>three and a half years on parole.

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 3>So did y'all get the money from the bank.

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 6>We held it for a little while, spent it.

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 5>Wow my mind.

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm just listening and thinking that. I know

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 3>there are people in our community who are the.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Purest of the pure.

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 3>They're the most morally sound, do everything rights. Ever, so

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.800
<v Speaker 3>no matter what you tell them them folks robbed the bank,

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't have nothing to say to them. You know,

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.439
<v Speaker 3>we don't support them at all. But of course there

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 3>are more of us who understand, uh that sometimes we

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 3>just make bad decisions.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not you know, you don't want to argue about

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 3>who and what. We can just say it was a

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 3>bad decision and I had to do the time to

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 3>pay for that. But it doesn't mean that I should

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:05.320
<v Speaker 3>be committed to a life sentence of conviction and rebuke

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 3>just because of this thing that happened. It seems like

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 3>we get it, but there's some folks out here that

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 3>just don't.

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you what is the response that you received from.

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Most people when you are, you know, out in the

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 3>world with your films, when maybe you're talking doing panels,

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 3>do you find that there are people who just feel

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 3>like y'all should just forever be on the fringes and

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 3>you're just wrong for the rest of your lives or not.

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 7>They I would have to say that, yes, you do

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 7>get that group of people that are out there, but

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 7>they make up a minority group of the people that

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 7>we have encountered.

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.399
<v Speaker 6>We have had far more people.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 7>On our side than we've had against us, and I

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 7>think that is reflective. And in the numbers when you

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 7>look at the numbers. When you look at the numbers,

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 7>one and three of us have a feling in America,

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 7>have a felt any conviction that's not us. When I say,

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 7>that's not black people, that's not black men, that is

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 7>all people, Whites, Asians, you know, everybody that's here included

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 7>that one in three of us have a felony conviction

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 7>and one in two of us have a family member

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 7>that is incarcerated. And then you ask yourself, well, then

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 7>what does that look like due to math? For me, Rob,

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 7>what that looks like is our current president is a

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 7>felon and was convicted of several crimes. Our outgoing president

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 7>is the father of a felon. His son committed committed

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 7>the act of feling with a firearm. In our community,

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 7>people are immediately sentenced to an additional five years just

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 7>for the fits for being a fed a form of

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 7>incarcerated person or feling with a firearm. But yet we

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 7>saw how both in those situations were able to skirt justice,

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 7>but not necessarily able to skirt the branding or the

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 7>marking of the fact that you too now know incarceration

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 7>because you or your family has been impacted from it.

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 7>Garceration is not necessarily a black thing anymore. It is

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 7>not necessarily a poor thing anymore. It is a human

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 7>thing because humans are prone to be and do human stuff.

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 5>We air, you know, and for me, I would like

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 5>to add that it is about the art when you

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 5>talk about making a film. I have seen the impact

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 5>of what art can do in changing the hearts and

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 5>minds of men and women. I would be honest with

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 5>you all on the TMI that the first time I

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 5>ever saw a white male weep was at Sundance when

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 5>we did the premiere of the first film. Time and

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.359
<v Speaker 5>it happened on more than one occasion in Utah at

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 5>Sundance we're doing this screening, they were so overwhelmed that

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 5>they came up to me to share how much impact

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 5>the film that had on them. And so knowing that

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 5>art is activism and that is how we can really

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 5>use it as a tool to change the heart of man,

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 5>that we can begin to change man's mind, and in

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 5>changing mankind's mind, we can change mankind's policies. And that

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 5>is the reason why we decided that even after Time

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 5>one had been so well received, it was such a

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 5>wonderful project in its own right. Me in particular, found

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 5>a need to make sure that I could tell the

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.479
<v Speaker 5>second part of our story one because in the first time,

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 5>I think our community needs to know how did we

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 5>gain freedom for our family as it's like being in

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.240
<v Speaker 5>the criminal justice system. It's like being in a corn

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 5>maze doing Halloween and you never know when and how

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 5>to get out, and it is intentionally designed that way.

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 5>And so one I wanted to make the sequel to

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 5>this documentary so that I can help show families what

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 5>we were able to do to get out. Because if

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 5>it's possible for me and my family who had been

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 5>condemned to diet angola. Then it is also possible for

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 5>you and your family and countless others two point three

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 5>million other families that find themselves trapped in one shape

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 5>form on another in this judicial system, and so being

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 5>able to bring forth his story and use artists activism

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 5>to change mankind's heart and continue to push the message.

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 5>The second reason I found it important to share this

0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 5>story was because I wanted folks to see what we

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 5>actually did with freedom.

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.280
<v Speaker 1>What did we do with the freedom.

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.280
<v Speaker 5>That we had been given when my husband returned.

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:39.879
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, ministry, you need TV shows, and yeah, we need

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 8>to put you on the platform.

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>You to the program saince you are here talking right now.

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 3>What to do with freedom once you get free?

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:52.919
<v Speaker 5>And what we did with freedom is that we used

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.919
<v Speaker 5>it to free other people. Six months after Rob came home,

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 5>we had gotten clemency for him. We took on the

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.320
<v Speaker 5>matter of frame the longest serving woman in our country,

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 5>Gloria Dean Williams, who by the time we got her

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:07.240
<v Speaker 5>release through clemency, had served fifty two years in prison.

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:10.480
<v Speaker 5>And she wasn't even the most culpable in her situation.

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 5>And if that wasn't enough we changed policy in Louisiana

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 5>that Rob had been studying law and working on since

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 5>two thousand and five. We thought that policy change would

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.720
<v Speaker 5>help four hundred to six hundred men and women locked

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.760
<v Speaker 5>up in our system in Louisiana, which is the highest

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 5>incarcerator in the world per capita the state of Louisiana.

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 5>And when the policy actually got changed, we discovered family

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.799
<v Speaker 5>that over three thousand families who thought they were going

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.759
<v Speaker 5>to die in prison because they had thirty years or

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 5>more of a sentence but not life, are now given

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 5>an opportunity to go for parole and have a chance

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 5>to return home to their families. So we understand that

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.799
<v Speaker 5>it is our duty to fight for our freedom and

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 5>it is our duty to win. Thank you so much

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 5>for ooh it's beautiful.

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Let me just let me cool down because the mic

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:03.439
<v Speaker 2>on fire. You're done.

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:07.919
<v Speaker 4>Set the mic on fire real quick. What was what

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 4>made you decide that you wanted to chroniclize this? What

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 4>made you decide that I'm going to chroniclize this and

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 4>turn this into this film.

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:21.240
<v Speaker 5>Well, for me, when it was resistance here as form.

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:24.800
<v Speaker 5>When Rob and I got married, we had three children

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 5>between us. We had dated ten years off and on.

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 5>I had come from a family where marriage was not

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:35.399
<v Speaker 5>an institutional practice in my particular home. Rob had come

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 5>from a home that marriage was a practice. And so

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 5>for us when we when we united in holy matrimony,

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 5>it was like we broke all of the chains and

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.919
<v Speaker 5>all of the dysfunction. And even though we had made

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 5>mistakes here, we were determined to fix it and get

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 5>it right. And so it was it was so important

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 5>to me I started documenting. I wanted to share this

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 5>moment with my family and with others that we.

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 6>Had actually done it.

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 5>I was so happy we married right, find.

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 1>The guy, right, he's married. Now he's married.

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:07.840
<v Speaker 6>Now you know.

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Time the movie.

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 5>It's on Amazon Prime Video for your viewers that may

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 5>want to check it out. It opens up and it

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.919
<v Speaker 5>says we're the richest. Now what do you think about that?

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 5>But it is about building that brand, that family brand

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 5>together that we can go out into the world and

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 5>elevate and expand. And so I started filming for that purpose.

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 5>And then shortly after that, we found ourselves in the

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 5>criminal justice system to a choice of our own making.

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 5>And so it was nothing more disheartening to me than

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 5>to begin to fully understand what it meant to be free.

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 5>The moment that I had checked not only myself but

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:52.479
<v Speaker 5>my husband and I had subjected our entire family back

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 5>into slavery. So having understood that, I wanted to at

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 5>that point document this, and even though the judge had

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 5>sentenced him to sixty years, my goal was to make

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 5>sure that if I couldn't, if he couldn't be in

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 5>space with us, that I would document space and time

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 5>and whenever he came home, because every year for twenty

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 5>one years, we believe that this would be the year,

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 5>This is going to be the one. Right here now,

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 5>this Christmas, we're gonna be together as a family. And

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 5>how many families every year are having that same thought

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 5>that they are sharing with, you know, within their family,

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:32.439
<v Speaker 5>that hoping that this is going to be the year.

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 5>And so I would keep filming and encouraging my children

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 5>because I wanted to share it with him when he

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 5>came home. But by the time we had been in

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:41.280
<v Speaker 5>the system for ten years.

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:42.320
<v Speaker 6>But what we had.

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Done, and everybody that I spoke to about the excessive

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:49.240
<v Speaker 5>sentence that my family had received thought it was god

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 5>awful shame, but absolutely nobody lived at a hand to

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 5>for me in the directional help me. Then I began

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 5>to document because I knew I had a duty, in

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 5>an our obligation to tell this story. And as I

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 5>opened up time too, the trailer opens up and it says,

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:08.959
<v Speaker 5>if it wouldn't have happened to us, we never would

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 5>have believed it. God got to make us witness bearers.

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 5>Because I was that two time college graduate with my

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 5>master's degree, and I thought that everybody that got in

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 5>trouble with the law, they got exactly what they deserved.

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 5>I went in the voting booth home from college, and

0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I voted for three time felons to do to be

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 5>multi bill. I voted for the eighty five percent law.

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 5>If you do a violent crime, then you need to

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 5>serve eighty five for your percent of your time. I

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 5>voted for the Clinton Crime Bill that said we would

0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 5>charge children as adults when they're seventeen years old.

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 2>I voted for all of.

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 5>That, and then I entered the system, and then I

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 5>understood how harmful my voting was and continues to be.

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.120
<v Speaker 5>Here we are thirty years later into this system and

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:01.319
<v Speaker 5>are still being impacted by the Clinton Bill, even though

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 5>the funding for it is all gone, and all of

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 5>the apologies have been spread across the ethos, but nobody

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.760
<v Speaker 5>came back to fix the harm. They calls and undo

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.240
<v Speaker 5>or repeal the Clinton crime beal.

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, who's so rob You got a powerful wife.

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.359
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of women right there saying next to you.

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I can imagine it's just like, go ahead, baby, do

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 3>your thing. What has life been like? I mean, you know,

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 3>twenty one years. Like I know people who have been

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 3>incarcerated who have challenges with too much stimulation. My son

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 3>he needs to get to himself sometimes and just sit

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 3>and not have everybody constantly talking to him or have

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:55.240
<v Speaker 3>to engage in a million conversations, and everybody's like, what's.

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Wrong with my son?

0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 3>And he's just like sometimes I just I just need

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 3>that a break. And it's different between people who need

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 3>that break simply because they just can't be over stimulated

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 3>and someone who had to use that as a mechanism

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 3>to get through seven years of incarceration.

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.240
<v Speaker 1>And we have our other sister, Jamil T. Davis.

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 3>I notice it in her sometimes things that she does,

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 3>and I just wonder for you, what has been the

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 3>lasting effects of doing all of those years and is

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 3>a part of your programming and what you do helping

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 3>folks to break those chains as well after they come

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 3>out of incarceration.

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I know, some of the things are things that

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:42.760
<v Speaker 6>you can kind of you can repair up on release.

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 7>But when you consider the fact one that when I

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 7>went into prison, I went into prison two years on

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 7>the other side of windows ninety five.

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:51.760
<v Speaker 6>By the time I had.

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 7>Come home, my space was a thing and was no

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 7>longer a thing by the time I had come home,

0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 7>So you can imagine the technological advances that had happen.

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 7>And you know, at that space and time when I

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.160
<v Speaker 7>left home, people with you know, you only had a

0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:05.000
<v Speaker 7>handful of people that.

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 6>Had a cell phone.

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 7>They were basically street chemists and you know, doctors and lawyers, uh,

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:12.279
<v Speaker 7>separate and apart from them.

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 6>You know, that was pretty much it.

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 7>And phones were just for the purpose of making making

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 7>phone calls. By the time I had come home, you know,

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 7>people couldn't even live without their phones. Their lives were

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 7>connected to that little you know, this little gadget. When

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.160
<v Speaker 7>I left home from from prison the first time I

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 7>whimp uh went left home to prison the first time,

0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.920
<v Speaker 7>people were wearing baggy clothes and those kinds of things.

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 7>When I came home, practically everybody was naked. Yes, it

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 7>was an over you know, it was over stimulating because

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.440
<v Speaker 7>I could look. But then they say, you ain't supposed

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 7>to look too long, look, don't say nothing, you know,

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 7>and I'm like, what we're doing? You know, just so

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 7>many different things were different, But it reminded me so

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.919
<v Speaker 7>much of people that had gone through slavery and were

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 7>told that they could not read, that, they were told

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 7>that they could not learn how to write, that, they

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 7>were told that they needed to stay literate because as

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 7>long as you're literate, then I can control you. Well,

0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 7>much of the same happens that when you move into

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 7>a technologically advanced world like the one we live in today,

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:09.960
<v Speaker 7>or the like the one that I entered when I

0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:13.560
<v Speaker 7>got out of prison in twenty eighteen. I'm no different

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 7>than those people. So like, it's like I went from

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.000
<v Speaker 7>slavery to sharecropping. You feel what I'm saying, And I've

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.680
<v Speaker 7>been going through that same process over and over again. Yes,

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 7>but some of the things that are the remnants or

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 7>the lasting effects from incarceration, you can repair, you know,

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 7>you can become educated, you can become tech savvy. You

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 7>can become a lot of those things and kind of

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 7>make up for lost time when it comes.

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 6>To those kinds of things.

0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 7>But there are some things that stick with you and

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:46.400
<v Speaker 7>they stay with you forever. I post traumatic express is real. No,

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:48.760
<v Speaker 7>It's as real as a person that went off the

0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 7>war because I've been in war. Some people, you know,

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 7>when you say that to them, it's like, well, why

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.360
<v Speaker 7>would you Why would you make that comparison that you've

0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.920
<v Speaker 7>been in war? And I'm like, come on, dummy, what

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.600
<v Speaker 7>do you not understand it? It's me versus the state

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 7>of Louisiana. It's my brother versus whatever state or federal

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:06.760
<v Speaker 7>or jurisdiction that he or.

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.520
<v Speaker 6>She was up again. So they made it a war.

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<v Speaker 6>He made them versus me. So this is not me

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<v Speaker 6>just making up something. But you know, same situation is

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<v Speaker 6>that you go through this experience.

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<v Speaker 7>Of living in a violent state for two decades, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>two decades, a year and four days. With that being said,

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<v Speaker 7>you can't live in an environment like that for that

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<v Speaker 7>long period of time and not and come out unscathed.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm no different.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I came out, but I've just been learning

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<v Speaker 7>how to manage and work past it. It was probably

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<v Speaker 7>when I gave my first interview when once I got home.

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<v Speaker 7>The first interview national interview that we gave when we

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<v Speaker 7>were out promoting the first film was with CBS Mornings

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<v Speaker 7>and Jureka Duncan, a person who I've been you know,

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<v Speaker 7>watching through the TV, you know, for the last seemed

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<v Speaker 7>like fifteen twenty years or so. Now here it is

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<v Speaker 7>that I'm now being in a situation where this person

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<v Speaker 7>who I've admired her journalistic style and UH contributions and

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<v Speaker 7>all those things, and now this woman.

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<v Speaker 6>Is uh is actually interviewing me.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Gail King is knowing my name, or she

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<v Speaker 7>is knowing at least my family story. And in that moment,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, once the interview came to a close, I

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<v Speaker 7>started noticing that I started sweating, and my pulse went up,

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<v Speaker 7>and my heart rate went up, and I started shaking,

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<v Speaker 7>and I couldn't figure out like what was happening or

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<v Speaker 7>what was wrong with me. And it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Fox kind of you know, calmed me down and got

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<v Speaker 7>me back.

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<v Speaker 6>She's like Nigga breathed it just kind of easing me

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<v Speaker 6>back through it or whatever. She's like. He was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I think I need to go to the hospital. I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, nigga, improve.

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<v Speaker 1>It got right. And by the way, we've been through enough,

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<v Speaker 1>get your ass together.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, even old long enough.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, I'm gonna kill you anyway, you need to

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<v Speaker 4>take the DS.

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<v Speaker 7>So those are just some of the things that that

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<v Speaker 7>you know, were difficult for me upon release. Another was

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<v Speaker 7>just the fact that I've been in a prison where

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<v Speaker 7>the population is more than six thousand men incarcerated in

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<v Speaker 7>one space together. Uh, there's twenty five hundred men that

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<v Speaker 7>make up you know, the walk where I live, the

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<v Speaker 7>tier where I live, on on my on my tier,

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<v Speaker 7>there's over five hundred dudes that live in that one pot.

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<v Speaker 7>And then in the set I mean in the in

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<v Speaker 7>the dormitory setting where I live, there are more than

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<v Speaker 7>one hundred men that share my my my birthing, or

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<v Speaker 7>my bed space. And with that being said, we also

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<v Speaker 7>share between one hundred men. We share two telephones, we

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<v Speaker 7>share one tv U, we share one Kiosk machine.

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<v Speaker 6>We say we share six urinals.

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<v Speaker 7>Four toilets, two sinks, four showers, and you can imagine

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<v Speaker 7>the confused and one coffee pot.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you imagine the confusion that exists.

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<v Speaker 7>When when a hundred men, most of them who've been

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<v Speaker 7>sentenced or sanctioned to a life in prison.

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<v Speaker 6>Get in a setting like that. Man, this is like

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<v Speaker 6>a powder keg.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just any moment that it's gonna blow and again,

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<v Speaker 7>like I said, can't live through those moments and not

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<v Speaker 7>come home impacted. When I came home from that situation,

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<v Speaker 7>my wife was ready to, you know, jump in the

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<v Speaker 7>showers together.

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<v Speaker 6>She was ready to hug up at night in the

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<v Speaker 6>bed and all that.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, hold up, man, somebody might shake me, like

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<v Speaker 7>you got me held up right here, hold on, I

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<v Speaker 7>need some freedom.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't want to shower with someone else.

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<v Speaker 7>I wanted to shower by myself because I've been showering

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<v Speaker 7>with other dudes the last two decades. You know, you

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<v Speaker 7>splashing soap and all that other kind of shrug. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>you can't avoid it. I wanted to close the door

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<v Speaker 7>when when I was in the restroom because I could

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<v Speaker 7>you know other than that, I was, you know, in

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<v Speaker 7>a situation where I was total lead. You know, there

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<v Speaker 7>were no doors because people need to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>see because I need to make sure you're still here,

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, just all of those things, Intimacy, We

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<v Speaker 7>had to figure out how many times were a married

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<v Speaker 7>couple supposed to be having sex with each other once?

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<v Speaker 6>Once you were married? And that's me. You know, that

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<v Speaker 6>mess with my ego a little bit. You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I always consider myself, you know, at least above average,

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<v Speaker 7>you know in these matters, right, I mean, six sons

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<v Speaker 7>do say something. But in that moment, though, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, okay, well they got these new gadgets.

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<v Speaker 7>Let me google how many how many times do people

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<v Speaker 7>actually have sex when they married?

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I felt relieved afterwards. I was like, okay, shit,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm holding my own up in there. You know. Then

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<v Speaker 6>the average American and boy, I've lapped all the Asians

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<v Speaker 6>over there.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, they barely get it in so but it's

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<v Speaker 7>just all of those kind of things that that we

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<v Speaker 7>had to figure out how to overcome.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, after you know, long suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us real quick about your kids and then you

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<v Speaker 3>take us up from there. But what about the children?

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<v Speaker 3>How are the children?

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<v Speaker 5>The children are masterpieces. They're absolutely amazing. Eldest son, Elik

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<v Speaker 5>is a Somalia. Our second oldest son, Remington, is a

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<v Speaker 5>or the Donnis here in New Orleans. The third oldest

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<v Speaker 5>Lawrence was one of the first to get married, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's traveling abroad with his wife after serving a tour

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<v Speaker 5>of duty in the Army. Our twin boys' Freedom and Justice.

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<v Speaker 5>Freedom works in Congress as a senior staffer with one

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<v Speaker 5>of our congressmen. Justice has finished a tour of duty

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<v Speaker 5>in the army and it's also living abroad.

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<v Speaker 6>And our baby boy, Robert Jr.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a second year college student at the School of

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<v Speaker 5>the Art Institute of Chicago on a scholarship for photography

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<v Speaker 5>and journalism. So we just can't say enough about how

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<v Speaker 5>well our children are doing, our families Mato doing that

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<v Speaker 5>journey was success is the best revenge. And how do

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<v Speaker 5>we make them pay for what the harm not only

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<v Speaker 5>that we cause, but the harm that the state added

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<v Speaker 5>to what we caused.

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<v Speaker 1>How can we get back?

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<v Speaker 5>And to get back we just succeed anyhow when it

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<v Speaker 5>was intentional about us not succeeding. And so all of

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<v Speaker 5>that being said, we are to be able to invite

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<v Speaker 5>the Tmi family to join us. As we launched the

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<v Speaker 5>sequel to our Oscar nominated documentary, Time to Unfinished Business,

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<v Speaker 5>which is my directorial debut. We will do a streaming

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<v Speaker 5>live here in New Orleans and across the nation through

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<v Speaker 5>a national watch party, as we are encouraging our sisters

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<v Speaker 5>and brought us to put freedom at the forefront of

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<v Speaker 5>June teenth. This June teenth, and let's talk about freedom.

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<v Speaker 5>So I do hope that you all will consider coming

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<v Speaker 5>down and being a part of this amazing opportunity.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we are aiming to get a million people watching

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<v Speaker 5>and talking about freedom this June team.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. So I just wanted this.

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<v Speaker 4>There's two questions I want to ask, so we know

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<v Speaker 4>what the whole theme was behind Time one. It was

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<v Speaker 4>chroniclizing your marriage, chroniclizing everything that happened, and then showing

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<v Speaker 4>how Rob came home and how you all of the

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<v Speaker 4>trials and tribulations that you went through. It's more of

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to say. It's not a story glory

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<v Speaker 4>of just freedom. Is a story of perseverance, right and

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<v Speaker 4>love and perseverance, and it really shows that. So is

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<v Speaker 4>what are we looking at when we look at time too?

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<v Speaker 4>What is the theme?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the whole idea about it?

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<v Speaker 5>If Time one was the cry, then Time two is

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<v Speaker 5>the call the call to action. As the theme of

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<v Speaker 5>the entire movie is to be free is to free others.

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<v Speaker 5>We are excited to be able to show people freedom

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<v Speaker 5>unfolding on multiple occasions in the great state of Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the worst incarcerated in the world. We are

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<v Speaker 5>hopeful that people will be inspired and see that they

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<v Speaker 5>too can go back into the belly of this beast

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<v Speaker 5>and reclaim their loved ones. Just because somebody has been

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<v Speaker 5>excessively sentenced doesn't mean that they have to stay that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we are just.

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<v Speaker 5>Hoping that people will see the power that family and

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<v Speaker 5>community together, we can achieve anything we set our minds.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to ask one more question before I finished.

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<v Speaker 4>At any time did you doubt that y'all would have

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<v Speaker 4>this moment? Anytime during that year when you were sending

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<v Speaker 4>sixty one years and you was fighting, and I know

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<v Speaker 4>there was ups and downs and there was nose and

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<v Speaker 4>for twenty one years you went through that. Anytime did

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<v Speaker 4>y'all say, you know what I'm giving up?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 6>No was not an option.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's how we have to be about our freedom

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<v Speaker 5>here in this country. We have to clearly understand that

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<v Speaker 5>no was not an option. Us conceding to the Six

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<v Speaker 5>States sanctions for our family was not an option for us.

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<v Speaker 7>And then if you look at the fact that for

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<v Speaker 7>those that have had an opportunity to watch time the original,

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<v Speaker 7>if you notice that when I came out, when I

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<v Speaker 7>exited the prison, I had a T shirt on that

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<v Speaker 7>says never give up and my zhon, I know you

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<v Speaker 7>know first and foremost, they don't make them kind of

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<v Speaker 7>T shirts in prison. I made that T shirt ten

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<v Speaker 7>years prior to when I was taking the Arts a

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<v Speaker 7>Graphic Arts and Communications class, we were tasked with the

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<v Speaker 7>homeless well with an assignment to create a campaign, and

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<v Speaker 7>so I thought to create a campaign through T shirts

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<v Speaker 7>by putting the words never give up onto the front

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<v Speaker 7>of those T shirts.

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<v Speaker 6>And felt that if I could put people inside.

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<v Speaker 7>Of those T shirts, as I was able to do

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<v Speaker 7>inside of the prison, then it was a way of

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<v Speaker 7>telling all the men that when we approached one another

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<v Speaker 7>or when we saw one another, that we were reminding

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<v Speaker 7>each other that we could never give up despite the

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<v Speaker 7>situation that was ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 6>We owed it to.

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<v Speaker 7>Our ancestors to not give up or not give up

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<v Speaker 7>on them, and to not give up on ourselves. We

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<v Speaker 7>called time to unfinished business because it was some personal

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<v Speaker 7>business that was there to us because our nephew continued

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<v Speaker 7>to be incarcerated after I got out. But truth of

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<v Speaker 7>the matter is is that there was more than four

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<v Speaker 7>hundred years of unfinished business when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 7>fight that our ancestors started many, many years ago. So

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<v Speaker 7>as long as the thirteenth Amendment still has an exception

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<v Speaker 7>clause that allows a gateway into back into slavery through

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<v Speaker 7>one's mistakes or through your air in judgment, through your transgressions,

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<v Speaker 7>then that business is unfinished. And that is what we're

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<v Speaker 7>endeavoring this June team, is to not talk about freedom

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<v Speaker 7>in the way that we traditionally talk about it in

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<v Speaker 7>the rear of how we talk about what happened three

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<v Speaker 7>hundred years ago, two hundred, one hundred years ago, or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>We're talking about what's happening now in this moment in

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<v Speaker 7>time with them two point three million people that are

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<v Speaker 7>still languishing a way in cars, in systems all across

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<v Speaker 7>this country. So we want to bring that conversation back

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<v Speaker 7>to the forefront and keep it at the forefront until

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<v Speaker 7>we're able to have that exception move. That's not to

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<v Speaker 7>say that we get rid of prisons. I believe people

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<v Speaker 7>that should be punished do me wrong, and yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 7>a sanction that come with it, But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 7>the sanction should be fundamentally fair. And I just think

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<v Speaker 7>that the system has gotten away that its side steps

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<v Speaker 7>fundamental fairness and issues out sentences and sanctions that are

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<v Speaker 7>reflective of what we've seen for hundreds of years now.

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<v Speaker 4>Amen, So time two, the time to campaign is us

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<v Speaker 4>a time to watch campaign?

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<v Speaker 2>Is us watching it on June tenth? Together?

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<v Speaker 5>So the conversation about freedom with the toolkit that you

1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.840
<v Speaker 5>will be provided and to mek, I think you all

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<v Speaker 5>will love this my TMA podcast family. Not only do

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<v Speaker 5>you get the film that you will own, it will

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<v Speaker 5>be yours, not a rental. But in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 5>in this freedom toolkit, you will receive a copy of

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<v Speaker 5>the public law that made Juneteenth a federal holiday and

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<v Speaker 5>you will get a copy of the Emancipation Proclamation because

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<v Speaker 5>we as black people, we need both of those posted

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<v Speaker 5>up on our walls in our homes next to the

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<v Speaker 5>picture of the Lord's Supper.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to host a screening, definitely tea where and

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<v Speaker 3>we will be hosting a screening. We are on the

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<v Speaker 3>state of the People Power Tour, which Juneteenth is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be something very special.

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<v Speaker 5>But that evening. What time does it come on. I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's gonna be about six thirty. We have all

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<v Speaker 5>of the definitives this.

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<v Speaker 1>Week, okay, so we'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a part of what we're doing until freedom,

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<v Speaker 3>our organization will host a screening for with and for

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<v Speaker 3>you all. This I'm impressed, and it takes a lot

1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:35.120
<v Speaker 3>to impress me, but I see two extremely powerful people.

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<v Speaker 3>We've all been through a lot in our lives. My son,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he has a story that is very painful,

1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:45.000
<v Speaker 3>and he's been gone through a lot, but it's and

1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:49.240
<v Speaker 3>I have a book out about all the stuff and

1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the bad decisions I made from picking up pills and

1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:55.160
<v Speaker 3>becoming addicted to you know, a lot of things that

1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:57.560
<v Speaker 3>happened to me because of bad decisions.

1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:00.599
<v Speaker 1>But I know for sure and I felt it.

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<v Speaker 3>If I could taste it, it would have filled me

1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:10.360
<v Speaker 3>to know that when God met me in rehab, he

1:12:10.439 --> 1:12:13.400
<v Speaker 3>was not there to rebuke me, but instead to say

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<v Speaker 3>that every single thing you've been through is for the

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<v Speaker 3>purpose of what I need you to go and do now.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am committed to using the challenges that I've

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<v Speaker 3>faced and the things I put myself in. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>sit here toay it was Johnny and Bobby. Yeah, there's

1:12:30.160 --> 1:12:34.720
<v Speaker 3>some people who were responsible for breaking my heart and

1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:37.800
<v Speaker 3>making me feel like I was vulnerable and all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, but I still made decisions that ended up

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<v Speaker 3>really crippling me and put.

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<v Speaker 1>Me in a bad space.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've made the commitment to God that I know

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<v Speaker 3>there are other people who are numbing with pills right

1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:56.479
<v Speaker 3>now or drinking alcohol trying to numb some of their

1:12:57.160 --> 1:13:00.160
<v Speaker 3>past issues and current issues. I know there are people

1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:04.400
<v Speaker 3>who are shopping or having promiscuous sexual moments and all

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<v Speaker 3>of that, trying to cover up things that they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want the world to see.

1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:08.920
<v Speaker 1>And it is my.

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<v Speaker 3>Commitment to God that he bought me out and I

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<v Speaker 3>promised that I would use my platform to do the same.

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<v Speaker 3>So as I'm listening to you all, it has given

1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:23.559
<v Speaker 3>me renewed spirit to go back and do the work

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<v Speaker 3>that I need to do, the work that I know

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<v Speaker 3>God has.

1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:26.479
<v Speaker 1>Called me to do.

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<v Speaker 3>The movement is important, and they're not separated, it's all together,

1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:35.679
<v Speaker 3>but it's there's He gave me the movement, and I've

1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:38.679
<v Speaker 3>done that I've done it for thirty years of my life,

1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:41.760
<v Speaker 3>and I wasn't sure what I would do next, and

1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:45.040
<v Speaker 3>now I know exactly what I'm supposed to do, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is to deal with disparities around addiction and how

1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:52.439
<v Speaker 3>people get help. And it is also to say to folks, yes,

1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I was addicted.

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<v Speaker 1>It was me. You see me, I'm cute.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fixed up, I got you know, nice clothes. But

1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:02.719
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, I was taking between twenty to thirty

1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:04.679
<v Speaker 3>pills a day. So if I could tell my story,

1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:07.679
<v Speaker 3>you could tell yours and we can get healed together.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that. It's a testimony. I've been talk all.

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<v Speaker 2>Day to day. It's a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you'll, thank you'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>No, thank you for having us.

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<v Speaker 5>And when you get to New Orleans, your favorite, our

1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:23.760
<v Speaker 5>favorite restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>Is on us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that's my teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't threat don't threaten me with a good time. I

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<v Speaker 2>got you king be say.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to you all. Thank you, thank you, Yeah, keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>That was such an amazing interview, like just this story,

1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:47.200
<v Speaker 4>just listening to them, just the way they're in Unison,

1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:52.200
<v Speaker 4>the way they just highly intelligent, and it's just dope.

1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Just watching their experience, man, you.

1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Know, watching Time one gave me like a glimpse of

1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:02.000
<v Speaker 4>their life, and then just just having that interview with

1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:03.960
<v Speaker 4>them was just was the icing.

1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:05.000
<v Speaker 2>On the cake. Yeah.

1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, some people take what was meant for bad

1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:12.280
<v Speaker 3>for good. And just knowing that you have these two

1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:20.679
<v Speaker 3>very powerful, very intellectual, very socially conscious, super black folks

1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.120
<v Speaker 3>out here in the world, it makes me feel like,

1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:25.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of these days we may be in

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<v Speaker 3>a better place.

1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad that they're in Louisiana, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>A state that really has significant racial issues in terms

1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:39.080
<v Speaker 3>of disparities within all types of industries but clearly incarceration

1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:43.719
<v Speaker 3>and to have them there working to help people get

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<v Speaker 3>freed or to get their records expunged and all of

1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:50.559
<v Speaker 3>that is really important as well. And again just knowing

1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:53.880
<v Speaker 3>that they are socially conscious and they have a racial

1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:56.559
<v Speaker 3>lens for their work, because a lot of times even

1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.160
<v Speaker 3>black people will be like, well, we don't you know, we're.

1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Not this is not about this is you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And not to say that they won't work with people

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<v Speaker 3>that are not black, but they still understand the challenges

1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:10.000
<v Speaker 3>that we as black people have and she's out here

1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:11.879
<v Speaker 3>quoting Asada Chakour.

1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:12.639
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>We have nothing to lose but our change, So we

1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:17.280
<v Speaker 3>have to do the work. We at least have to try.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love Robin Fox and I'm definitely committed as

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<v Speaker 3>you are to our Juneteenth event a screening of their show,

1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:32.680
<v Speaker 3>and it will be on the same day of hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping.

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<v Speaker 3>We're on this tour, the State of the People Power Tour,

1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:44.320
<v Speaker 3>which has been an incredible, incredible gathering of black folks

1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:50.360
<v Speaker 3>organized black folks across the country, and Juneteenth, we're supposed

1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:53.280
<v Speaker 3>to have a special day and hopefully what will be

1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:57.040
<v Speaker 3>in the evening would be this particular screen and so

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<v Speaker 3>we're working on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the State.

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<v Speaker 3>The State of the People Power Tour is a power

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<v Speaker 3>tour for real. It's powering through my spirit every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>It is definitely powering through my spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>We should absolutely make sure to have some clips included

1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:21.760
<v Speaker 3>in this show and subsequent shows to give people an

1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:29.480
<v Speaker 3>understanding of what has happened from Atlanta to North Carolina

1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:35.639
<v Speaker 3>and then to New Orleans and now we're going to Alabama. Certainly,

1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I can't forget Alabama, one of the most incredible gatherings.

1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And then we're now headed to Newark, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 4>Newark it's my home, my second home, Newark, it surely

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<v Speaker 4>is definitely.

1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:50.559
<v Speaker 2>My second Now that brings me to my I don't

1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:51.880
<v Speaker 2>get it now.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate to keep talking about Trump, you know, but

1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:01.679
<v Speaker 4>like the ignorance, the level of ignorance makes me feel

1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:05.280
<v Speaker 4>like I'm ignorant sometimes, right, you ever just pay attention, No, no,

1:18:05.360 --> 1:18:07.280
<v Speaker 4>for real, because you you say it got to be

1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:12.280
<v Speaker 4>me like you get you say to yourself, it's am

1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:15.840
<v Speaker 4>I really crazy? Like am I really seeing what I'm seeing?

1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:18.479
<v Speaker 4>Or am I blind or something?

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<v Speaker 2>So listen.

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<v Speaker 4>They are people online, right that're constantly people I know,

1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:33.480
<v Speaker 4>constantly try to make it seem as if Kamala Harris

1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:37.240
<v Speaker 4>is ignorant, right, I see the post they.

1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Say she's ignorant or not intelligence.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, they make low IQ, not intelligent, whatever you

1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:46.360
<v Speaker 4>want to call whatever you want to call it. I've

1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:50.000
<v Speaker 4>seen a post where they had a picture of her

1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:52.680
<v Speaker 4>and said we dodged a bullet, right, and she was

1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:56.519
<v Speaker 4>talking about she was talking about she said something I

1:18:56.560 --> 1:18:58.519
<v Speaker 4>don't remember exactly what it was. She said there was

1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:01.240
<v Speaker 4>elephants they took a little clip and she was like,

1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:04.160
<v Speaker 4>did y'all see the viral clip of the elephants when

1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:06.960
<v Speaker 4>there was an earthquake? And then they cut it off

1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:08.960
<v Speaker 4>and said, oh, we dodged a bullet. She's so dumb

1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:13.960
<v Speaker 4>and this and that. I'm asking this because maybe I'm crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Do y'all actually believe that Donald Trump is more intelligent

1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:26.200
<v Speaker 4>than Kamala Harris? Dude?

1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:26.280
<v Speaker 5>No?

1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Is this like?

1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:30.679
<v Speaker 4>Is this something that when we look and you listen

1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:32.840
<v Speaker 4>to both of them speak and you just hear the

1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:38.479
<v Speaker 4>third grade vernacular vocabulary that Trump has. I have never

1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:42.839
<v Speaker 4>heard him say something that a fifth grader couldn't understand.

1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:47.080
<v Speaker 4>I've never And then I heard him today talking about

1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:48.440
<v Speaker 4>Jasmine Crockett.

1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:49.960
<v Speaker 1>A fifth grader couldn't understand.

1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said nothing.

1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:56.439
<v Speaker 4>Anybody with a fifth grade education can understand what he said.

1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:57.000
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't.

1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:01.320
<v Speaker 4>There's nothing intelligent about Donald Trump. So I'm so confused,

1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:04.760
<v Speaker 4>as do people really believe that he was talking about

1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Jasmin Crackt. I was about to say saying that she

1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:10.280
<v Speaker 4>has a low IQ, And I'm just really saying to myself,

1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:13.880
<v Speaker 4>is this like a game? Is it like reverse psychology

1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:17.200
<v Speaker 4>that if you say something long enough, right, if you

1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:20.920
<v Speaker 4>so dumb that if you tell people you smart, they

1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:24.280
<v Speaker 4>start to believe that you're smart. And I think that's

1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:26.840
<v Speaker 4>what's happened. Like when they say this cult shit with Trump,

1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.799
<v Speaker 4>it's really like a cult to me because there's nobody

1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.680
<v Speaker 4>that's listening to Trump. They ask him about the Constitution, right,

1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:37.280
<v Speaker 4>and the Declaration of Independence, and they ask them, they

1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:39.360
<v Speaker 4>ask him questions. He doesn't even know what the fuck

1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.519
<v Speaker 4>they are. He says, it's a document. It's a good document,

1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:47.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's for freedom. He has no idea about

1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.080
<v Speaker 4>the things that actually govern this nation. He has no

1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:53.160
<v Speaker 4>idea about anything. So when I'm listening to people have

1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.720
<v Speaker 4>these conversations and people make it seem like these intelligent

1:20:56.760 --> 1:21:00.720
<v Speaker 4>black women are less educated intelligent than this man, it's

1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:04.120
<v Speaker 4>like the weirdest shit I've ever seen it. It really,

1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:05.200
<v Speaker 4>it really shocks me.

1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess my response is I'm really thinking about it.

1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:18.160
<v Speaker 3>But what I can say is that there are some

1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.000
<v Speaker 3>people who will feel like just because you use big

1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:23.840
<v Speaker 3>words that a fifth grader might not be able to understand,

1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:26.000
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't make you more intelligent.

1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:28.360
<v Speaker 1>It just might mean that you know more.

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<v Speaker 4>Words, okay, but even more educated right, when you say

1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:36.160
<v Speaker 4>somebody's low IQ the education at seventy eight years old, right,

1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:39.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't even think that the man has the IQ

1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.240
<v Speaker 4>or the education of a tenth grader, Like, for real,

1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:47.600
<v Speaker 4>when I'm listening to him, it's like sometimes I be confused,

1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:48.880
<v Speaker 4>like this is this really?

1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:53.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, we live in the era of trolling, right, and

1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:56.840
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the people they also know big words,

1:21:56.880 --> 1:21:58.719
<v Speaker 3>because I see a lot of people on social media

1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:00.639
<v Speaker 3>that know how to use all kinds of big words

1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:04.320
<v Speaker 3>and write fifteen page paragraphs and still when you really

1:22:04.720 --> 1:22:08.120
<v Speaker 3>listen to what they're saying on a very basic level,

1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:09.479
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty ignorant.

1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:14.519
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty stupid, right, And so I think that.

1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Folks are looking Also, what people like to look at

1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:22.520
<v Speaker 3>is how much money you've made and how much success

1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:26.559
<v Speaker 3>you have had, and like where you were able to what.

1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>You were able to accomplish, where you were able to get.

1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:33.879
<v Speaker 2>And well, money does not have anything to do with education.

1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, but I know, but I'm just telling you, In

1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:39.800
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people's minds, the mere fact that you

1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:46.560
<v Speaker 3>were able to accomplish these big things like having hotels

1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:51.519
<v Speaker 3>and golf courses and you know, becoming president twice and

1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:56.639
<v Speaker 3>all of that that to them is what that's what

1:22:56.880 --> 1:23:03.240
<v Speaker 3>implies education, pation level, or a level of brilliance or intelligence.

1:23:03.720 --> 1:23:07.200
<v Speaker 3>They don't think, they don't understand that a lot of

1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:11.400
<v Speaker 3>these people, especially white folks, white men, who have been

1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:15.120
<v Speaker 3>able to accomplish these great goals that when you look

1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:17.479
<v Speaker 3>into the background, because this is what the man was

1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:23.400
<v Speaker 3>sued for in New York State alone, stealing, you know,

1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:29.160
<v Speaker 3>mistreating other communities in order to its pretty much scamming

1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and harming people, being racist, in order to grow the

1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.639
<v Speaker 3>ladder and get to whatever it is that they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to do. They did not necessarily take the difficult route

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<v Speaker 3>that requires you to like know some stuff and learn

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<v Speaker 3>some things and also consider other people's rights and feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there are a lot of people that will

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<v Speaker 3>never agree with you because when they look at him,

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<v Speaker 3>they see success, and you have.

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<v Speaker 1>They're telling the.

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<v Speaker 4>Success that's in education. It's two different things. They have

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of successful people that's not educated.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But I but okay, So then I guess, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're saying, I think God int same what you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying that in those situations, you would see a person

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<v Speaker 3>say I don't know all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I made it from hard work or whatever, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But I know my sister is much more educated than me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why I rely on her for whatever, or

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<v Speaker 3>my friend or I always keep people around me who

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<v Speaker 3>are smarter than me or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Making it clear that they know that they are not

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<v Speaker 3>as educated. They would never try to down somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just for me.

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<v Speaker 4>When you talk about IQ level, right, when you talk

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<v Speaker 4>about education level, when you those things are visible, right

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm having a basic conversation, like you might be

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who just has common sense. Like it's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people that have good common sense. They're not the

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<v Speaker 4>most like we think about they're not BookSmart, right, like

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<v Speaker 4>you think about our grandparents and all that. My grandmother

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<v Speaker 4>didn't go to school, but she was she had common sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Like she had very good common sense. But when you

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<v Speaker 4>talked to you knew she wasn't highly educated, right, but

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<v Speaker 4>she knew how to give you basic things. She would

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<v Speaker 4>say shit that you when you thought about, like, then

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<v Speaker 4>that made sense. Donald Trump don't even have that, right

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm listening to shit he says, like just just

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<v Speaker 4>he talk about the art of the deal, like you

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<v Speaker 4>nobody thinks that.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't need allies.

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<v Speaker 4>Right if the president of America, right, you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>go to war with everybody else and isolate yourself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just not even common sense. You're not gonna keep

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<v Speaker 4>lying saying that you're making deals that you're not. You're

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<v Speaker 4>not gonna tell us that you're gonna stop a war

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<v Speaker 4>that you know you have no they playing you.

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<v Speaker 3>But he knows that he has a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>He said his sweet spot is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, but I understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>So, but my thing is, the poor educated got to

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<v Speaker 4>stop acting like they educated, because you can't look at

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<v Speaker 4>somebody educated. It because when you look when you look

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<v Speaker 4>at when you look at just the resume of both

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<v Speaker 4>of them, when we talk about education, there's not even

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<v Speaker 4>a comparison. Right, This lady has ran the top government officers.

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<v Speaker 4>She's went through the ranks of place, like graduating the

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<v Speaker 4>bargain like, these are things, these are things that require education,

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<v Speaker 4>they require intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has done none of those things. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we have these conversations and you compare it

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<v Speaker 4>on an education level and intellect level, it's it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>to me, it's mind boggling.

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<v Speaker 2>That there are people that have.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, you don't like her, you think she laughed too much,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't like to you think she's not whatever, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>it is you want to say cool, I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your personal opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>But when we talk about you can have your own opinions,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't have your own facts. Men lie, numbers lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean men live, women lie, but numbers don't lie

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<v Speaker 4>in the numbers. Right when we look at the numbers,

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<v Speaker 4>when we look at Jasmine Crockett's jacket and we look

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<v Speaker 4>at her education level, and we just listen to her

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<v Speaker 4>when she is delivering a message, right, you understand that

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<v Speaker 4>this is an educated woman. When I'm watching the president

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<v Speaker 4>inside the White House and the words he says, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, damn, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this really the president of the United States?

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to me.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not saying you made a decision, but you didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't vote that man because he's educated and he's

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<v Speaker 4>highly intelligent. You decided that you just going with whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you want. You feel like he's honest to a fault.

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<v Speaker 4>You said he's gonna say this shit nobody else says.

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<v Speaker 4>It's raw.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, cool, I understand, that's what you voted for.

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<v Speaker 4>But we can't keep doing this this intelligence shit, because

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<v Speaker 4>now you you insult in my intelligence by trying to

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<v Speaker 4>make me believe that this man is more intellien in

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<v Speaker 4>this woman, and it's it's insulting to somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they don't know how to express that. What they

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<v Speaker 3>mean is he's just better than her.

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<v Speaker 2>But that I mean, you like her, but there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Say better, I'm saying. That's what these people are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I already know.

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<v Speaker 1>In the show y'all got.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all president, right, and it's cool, But you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>keep insulting these people intelligence when you're compaying them to

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who has the intellect of a third and fourth grader.

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<v Speaker 4>We're just not gonna keep doing it. I'm just not'

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<v Speaker 4>I can have any discussion you want. You think he's

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<v Speaker 4>a business man, you think he does this cool, that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's your opinion. I disagree with cool, But it's not

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<v Speaker 4>an opinion that this person is educated.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not even an opinion for so yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I just don't need y'all to insult my

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<v Speaker 4>intelligence by trying to make me think that that man

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<v Speaker 4>is intelligent and these women are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's I draw the line there.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's where I draw the line, because you're not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna you can't get play in my face like that.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't tell me you can't pissed my mama. You

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<v Speaker 4>said you ain't gonna be able to piss on me

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<v Speaker 4>and tell me it's raining. And that's what they trying

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I I captain.

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<v Speaker 4>And with that we come to the end of another

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<v Speaker 2>What am I supposed to do? You have something to

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<v Speaker 2>say something?

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<v Speaker 4>Give me a good close and something strong. You ain't

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<v Speaker 4>got nothing to close you with like a good word?

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<v Speaker 4>Come on something, give me a strong word.

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