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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Chris Raybond of your Action Network, and this

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Speaker 3: QB two Fantasy preview episode.

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Speaker 1: Here to break it down with me one of the

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Speaker 1: top fantasy rankers in the game, the odds maker Sean Kerner.

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Speaker 3: What did do Sean?

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Speaker 2: It was you wearing the Colts ask at last pod?

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Speaker 2: Now it's me. Does that mean that you think Anthony

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Speaker 1: Not as much as you, I mean, I know you

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's definitely Richardson. But the guy I think

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Speaker 3: So the schedule's not really doing him any favors.

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Speaker 3: I don't see him overcoming that. To be consistent.

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Speaker 3: But he's going at his like, you know, at.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's through it that he has that arm strength

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Speaker 3: You know, it makes them more valuable.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Richardson, you know, the medium projection

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think you would you say Minshu's

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I would say it's probably fifty

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Speaker 1: What do you have as a completion percentage? Just kid,

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Speaker 2: It around sixty percent. It depends what kind of completions

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Speaker 2: I think sixty percent is about right. To be clear,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm around fifty eight fifty eight, that's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Again, with that would be the market getting right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just not getting Rogers in this range.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, he had no top five finishes last year,

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Speaker 3: So also, the early schedule for Rogers is not great either.

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Speaker 1: You know, Uh, it plays Buffalo Gallas, the Patriots, the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: He has a ton of upside. It's just kind of

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Speaker 3: You a league, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty cautiously optimistic about Russ. What do you what

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Speaker 1: do you think about Russ this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Same, I mean, obviously last season was an absolute disaster,

435
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Speaker 2: but he's still finished as a QB sixteen, and we

436
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Speaker 2: could we could chalk it up to coaching and say that, hey,

437
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton's gonna help him bounce back this year,

438
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Speaker 2: which I can fully get behind. He still has a

439
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 2: ton of weapons, and you know Jerry Gudy, Courtland Sutton,

440
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Speaker 2: I love Greg Dolciic obviously, and he gets Tim Patrick back,

441
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: who's always overperformed. I think he's a quality number three receiver.

442
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Speaker 2: So I think QB eighteen sounds about right. And yeah,

443
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Speaker 2: if you want to gamble on him, it's probably worth

444
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Speaker 2: it because he does have that top twelve, top ten upside.

445
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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't take him over Jared Goff or Anthony Richardson,

446
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: but I think I would take him over I mean,

447
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, probably definitely over Derek Carr and Jordan Love.

448
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Speaker 2: So in this range, I think that, Yeah, I have

449
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: been in spots right. Do take Russell Wilson because I

450
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Speaker 2: think he can't get worse than last year, and he's

451
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Speaker 2: still ended up pretty good at the end of the season.

452
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Speaker 2: So I do believe in Sean Payton turning things around.

453
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Speaker 2: So I think Wilson's definitely wor worth a flyer in

454
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Speaker 2: this range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think just because he still has more rushing up

457
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Speaker 1: sides than the usual quarterback, because we have seen him

458
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Speaker 1: put up you know, very productive fantasy seasons in years past,

459
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Speaker 1: and because he did part of.

460
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Speaker 3: Him, you know, finishing his QB.

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Speaker 1: What was at sixteen last year was those last couple

462
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Speaker 1: of games with uh when Hackett was out of the picture.

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Speaker 1: You know, he put up thirty fantasy points and back

464
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Speaker 1: to back games to uh wait no, no, twenty twenty sorry,

465
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Speaker 1: twenty eight plus fantasy points and back to back games

466
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Speaker 1: to close out the season. He had a thirty point

467
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Speaker 1: game and then a twenty nine like a set.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he really did. In last four weeks he

469
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Speaker 3: really kind of did.

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Speaker 1: Have you know four three of his four games were

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Speaker 1: twenty eight or more fantasy points, so uh, he closed

472
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Speaker 1: out to watch stronger ones.

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Speaker 3: Hackett was out of the uh, out of.

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Speaker 1: The pitcher, And I think that it, you know, bodes

475
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Speaker 1: well without even considering because Hacket is probably just a negative.

476
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Speaker 3: No matter what.

477
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Speaker 1: Like, so then comparing him to Peyton, you know, you know, now,

478
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Speaker 1: the one thing you do worry about is would there

479
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Speaker 1: be any kind of shenanigans? You know, like remember Peyton's

480
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: old offense. They would throw like a Taysom Hill in there,

481
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Speaker 1: Like is there anything, is that anything like that gonna happen?

482
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they have that.

483
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Speaker 3: Same kind of player. I mean, they have Kendall Hinton,

484
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Speaker 3: but I.

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Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, I don't think he's gonna yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Greg Dulton's has a pretty good arm, but I don't

487
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Speaker 2: think you're gonna hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Nah, yeah that would be like there's all these little

489
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Speaker 1: things like that you have to consider, But overall, I

490
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Speaker 1: think the outlook and this just everything around him, it's

491
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Speaker 1: just bodes a lot better for him this year.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he's I think he is. He is kind

493
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Speaker 3: of sneaky here.

494
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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: He does have a good defense, so that's that's one

496
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Speaker 3: of the things.

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Speaker 1: But you're playing in that division where the offenses are,

498
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Speaker 1: you know, Chargers, you got the Chiefs, so maybe it'll.

499
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Speaker 3: Kind of even out.

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Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, I have him as my QB fifteen,

501
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Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit a little bit higher on him.

502
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Speaker 1: I just you know, once you get in this range,

503
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Speaker 1: it's yeah, I'll still take that a little bit of

504
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: rushing upside too, and and and he does throw the ball.

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Speaker 3: Down the field.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, cautiously optimistic about Russ this year.

507
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Speaker 3: Derek Carr QB nineteen, I'm not loving him, what do

508
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Speaker 3: you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I describe it. You know, I could

510
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: get behind somebody taking Aaron Rodgers at QB seventeen, I

511
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: really could, or you know, Russell Wilson at QB eighteen, obviously,

512
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Speaker 2: but Derek Carr at QB nineteen just seems ridiculous to me.

513
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was the QB nineteen and points per

514
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: game last year, but he doesn't he doesn't really carry

515
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: a high weekly ceiling. So again, it's it's just a

516
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Speaker 2: result of a guy that's probably gonna play all seventeen games.

517
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Speaker 2: That's that's where the value comes from. And I love

518
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: love Chris Olave, but you know, he does get a

519
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: downgrade and pass catching talent going to the Saints compared

520
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: to the Raiders. You know, he definitely needs Michael Thomas

521
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: to stay healthy, but once they get to the red zone,

522
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Speaker 2: he's still you know, we were talking about Taysom Hill shnanigans.

523
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Speaker 2: Derek Carr has to deal with those when they get

524
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Speaker 2: in the red zone. So you know, Taysom Hill's gonna

525
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Speaker 2: steal some snaps under center once they get to the

526
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Speaker 2: red zone. So I think he might have a low

527
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Speaker 2: floor than other type of pocket passers just because of that.

528
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Speaker 2: So you know, he could still end up finishing as

529
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Speaker 2: a top twenty quarterback again just due to volume by

530
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Speaker 2: playing all seventeen games, but it's not gonna feel like that.

531
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Speaker 2: He's not gonna provide your fancy team with a ton

532
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Speaker 2: of value. So I think that definitely off of him

533
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Speaker 2: in one quarterback league, there's no where we should be

534
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Speaker 2: taking him. But even in two QB super flex formats

535
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Speaker 2: where he's a type of guy that I like getting like,

536
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Speaker 2: he just doesn't do it for me. He just you know,

537
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Speaker 2: he's an average quarterback that's going to have to deal with,

538
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Speaker 2: you know, a backup kind of quarterback tight end like

539
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Speaker 2: Taysom Hill. And then he has a pretty good backup

540
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: in Jamis Winston. So I know they paid Derek Carr

541
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Speaker 2: a lot of money, but we've talked about I mean,

542
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a complete lock on the job, so

543
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: he just has a lot more paths to a floor

544
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Speaker 2: than we're used to sing with them that I'm definitely

545
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: off of him as QB nineteen. He would have to

546
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Speaker 2: fall outside the top like twenty two or twenty three

547
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Speaker 2: for me to consider him.

548
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I have I'm at twenty two.

549
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Speaker 1: And that's probably even because of volume too, because a

550
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Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks cross range you're just not sure exactly

551
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: how much they're going to start. But I totally agree.

552
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: And on top of that, he's just never really been

553
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: all that successful with you know, switching, switching offenses and going.

554
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: I know, Gruden's kind of being a mentor, he's consulting

555
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: with the team or whatever, but overall, Derek carrs all

556
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Speaker 1: the time. He's it's happened four times where he's been

557
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: in a year one of a new offense. That's been

558
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: his worst seasons efficiency wise in the NFL. So that's

559
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Speaker 1: also something to kind of keeping the back of your

560
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: head as well, in addition to like you said, just

561
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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill potentially taking some snaps from him in the

562
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Speaker 1: red zone. So yeah, Derek Carr, Yeah, there's probably a

563
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: floor there, but there's the ceiling. I don't see it

564
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Speaker 1: for Car at all. Stafford is twenty and I would

565
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Speaker 1: take him over Derek Carr. I mean, I just think

566
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Speaker 1: the defense is going to be pretty bad here for LA.

567
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, I would definitely take

568
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: him over Derek Carr. And you know, he dealt with,

569
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, a ton of injuries last year that shut

570
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: him down, but none are really expected to have an

571
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Speaker 2: impact on his twenty twenty three campaign. So I think

572
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: we could just consider him fully healthy. You know, he's

573
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: been a grinder in the past. I mean, he's played

574
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: through some pretty severe injuries, so I don't think we

575
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: need to consider as some injury risks. So I think

576
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 2: he's going to bounce back and have a good season.

577
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: And like you said, you know, the defense is going

578
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: to take a big step back. They're probably be throwing

579
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: it a lot more. Cooper Cup's gonna be fully healthy.

580
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: So there's all reasons to like Stafford in this range. Like, again,

581
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: he probably doesn't have top ten upside, but certainly you

582
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: know he's going to provide you with some high scoring weeks.

583
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: And he's obviously just a two QB super flex type

584
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: of play, but definitely like having him over you know,

585
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, Jordan Love, Kenny Pickett type. So I think

586
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: if you can get him in this range, it makes

587
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: a ton of sense.

588
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he you know, I think Cooper a Cup obviously,

589
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: that's that's a big one because Cup missing missing time

590
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: that kind of distorts the perception and the whole offense.

591
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: But if he's back, that does race the Stafford's ceiling

592
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. Not probably not to the level where

593
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: you know they had Odell Beckham and whatnot, But uh yeah,

594
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to take a pocket passer

595
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: in here, might as well take the shot of a

596
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: guy whose defense could be bad and who've seen put

597
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: up numbers, big numbers in the past. Then twenty one

598
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: is Kyler Murray and with him. I guess it comes

599
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: down to, like how much do we think he's gonna play,

600
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: because I mean twenty one, you know, it could still

601
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: he could still fall short of that ADP if he

602
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: doesn't play enough game.

603
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: So what do you what do you where do you

604
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: have Kyler for this year?

605
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not looking good. You know, I think

606
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: he could easily miss you know, the first six games

607
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: or so so and plus once he does return, we

608
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: just have to remember he's coming back from surgery on

609
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: his ACL and his meniscus, So even when he does

610
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: come back, he's not going to have probably the same

611
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: rushing upside that we're used to see. So that's that's

612
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: gonna hurt even once he does return. But in the meantime,

613
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's gonna be some combo of Colt McCoy

614
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: or Clayton tune starting, So they could be zero to

615
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: six by the time he's healthy enough to return. And

616
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: at that point, you know, why force it. The Cardinals

617
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: are clearly you know, position a tank this year and

618
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: have the number one overall pick next year. We'll see

619
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: what happens if they if they land in that spot.

620
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: But it just wouldn't make sense to rush Kyler back

621
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: at that point if he Even if he does, I

622
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna be the QB one that

623
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: that we think of him because he won't have that

624
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: same rushing upside. So I'm passing on him. There are

625
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: some spots, you know, if if you're in a league

626
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: with an IR slot, you know, you draft them late

627
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: and you just stash him on the IR. Sure, I

628
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: can get behind that, but you know, QB twenty one

629
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: is a bit rich when it comes to like best

630
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Ball especially or two QB super Flex league. So he's

631
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: a guy I'm a bil bit lower. You know, I

632
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: have QB twenty five because of the games missed and

633
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: because of just the potentially limited upside once he is

634
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: back and healthy.

635
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, no DeAndre Hopkins this year. I

636
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: mean that's you know, his numbers with him without Hopkins

637
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: are pretty pretty stark. He's averaging about a yard for

638
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: attempt less without Hopkins around six and a half. And

639
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: that you know, he very inefficient last year and something

640
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: like that. You know, given that he's has he has

641
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: an injury, given that their you know, their top receivers

642
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: are pretty small, and then they have no DeAndre Hopkins

643
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: and you know Ertz, who knows when he'll be back,

644
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: like it could it's gonna be a struggle, I think

645
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: throwing the ball. So if he can't use his legs

646
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: like he normally does, he could just be like an

647
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: inefficient bad quarterback, like even when he's starting for this year,

648
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: because you know, it's just it's just really it's the

649
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: passing is not gonna throwing the ball is not gonna

650
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: be easy for the Cardinals this year.

651
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: I don't think.

652
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: It just just doesn't nothing kind of unless you know

653
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson is just a beast or something like, you know,

654
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: somebody has to really break out unforeseen for them to

655
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I think have even an average pass game.

656
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm the only way I'd draft Murray. He

657
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: would have to be my QB three.

658
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe if it's like a ten team league,

659
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: you need to getting twenty one, Okay, but you know,

660
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I think there are better ways

661
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: you could spend the pick if you need. For sure,

662
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, QB two in this range, Canny Picket is

663
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: QB twenty two, and you know last year just to

664
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: touch the passing touchdowns is we're not there for him.

665
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, do you see that kind of regressing this

666
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: year and him holding on to the job and taking

667
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: a step forward or you kind of what do you

668
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: think it for for Kenny entering you two.

669
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the passing anything just weren't there, Like yeah, right.

670
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: He is so tough to project for me, I definitely

671
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 2: want to hear where you have because he's the guy

672
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm struggling the most. He and Jordan Love probably the

673
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: most in this range. Just you know, for having so

674
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: many weapons in the passing game, it was shocking how

675
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: bad he was as the passer last year. I mean,

676
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: he threw for less than two hundred yards in six

677
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: of his ten full games, never threw for multiple touchdowns

678
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: in a game. Now, he does have some decent rushing upside,

679
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: and he tapped into that last year, but it's it's

680
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: certainly not enough to make up for the lack of

681
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: passing stats we saw last year. You know, he was

682
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: the only quarterback taking in the first round last year,

683
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: but it was a very weak class. So I don't

684
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: think by any stretch he's some like Trevor Lawrence type

685
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: of prospect that we have to bank on. Ric yatn

686
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: here too, so it's very tough to project. I also

687
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: don't like the fact that they stuck with Matt Canada.

688
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: I think he really, you know, prevents this offense from

689
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: really hitting its ceiling because, like I said, there's a

690
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: ton of talent here, but you know, he does tend

691
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: to hold them back a bit. So you know, he

692
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: could make a big year or two leap and provide

693
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: value here. I'm just not buying into it yet. I

694
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: think the way to kind of invest in his potential

695
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: year two breakout is by low on guys like Deontay

696
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Johnson specifically and George Pickens. Like, I think you're getting

697
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: them cheap enough. Where he does break out, great, they're

698
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: gonna have massive value at those spots, and if he doesn't,

699
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: they should still be fine. So I think I'm not

700
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: really investing in Pickett specifically, but I think those two

701
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: receivers are cheap enough though. If you do think he

702
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: is going to break out, like they're providing some value.

703
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: But his projection specifically, I mean, you aluded keeping the job.

704
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: There's a chance he loses that, right, So yeah, he's

705
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: really tough for projecting. I have him a little bit lower.

706
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: He's like YOUB twenty three, But again, he has so

707
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: much talent around him, it's it's hard to see him

708
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: continuing the struggle with this bad But I didn't see

709
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: any encouraging signs last year, how about you? No?

710
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: And I mean I I like watching him play, like

711
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: the I test, he looks solid, but I think it's part.

712
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: Part of it is that Matt Canada offense, and Matt

713
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: Canada came out and said like, it's not me, it's

714
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: the organization. Like I He's like, I want to open

715
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: things up, and they want to play a certain way.

716
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: So he kind of threw everyone else under the bus,

717
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: which is kind of telling, but it kind of makes

718
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: sense because you know, we're like, why are they bringing

719
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: him back? It is because he's willing to do this

720
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: run this kind of offense in the first place. So yeah,

721
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: I I don't know. He's a really tough projection. I

722
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: have QB twenty two, but like a lot of that

723
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: could change with the games played, projection, Like I'm for fifteen,

724
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: but I know they signed Trubisky to a pretty lucrative,

725
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, backup, backup deal, so he could always step

726
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: in and then you know, yeah, the fact that he's.

727
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: Not like a top five lottery pick.

728
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, the aging curve, it's not necessarily going to

729
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: be like you're not necessarily making as big of a

730
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: jump from year one to year.

731
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: Two as you are for some of those guys.

732
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: So you know something we just have to kind of

733
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: pay attention see see how it's going in the offseason.

734
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, I don't expect the Steelers to really

735
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: be one of those teams that.

736
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: Is super past friendly just because they don't.

737
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: They don't want to be like that's yeah, end of

738
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: the story is, they don't really just want to be

739
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: one of those teams. So I think you're always going

740
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: to be dealing with a cap ceiling for a guy

741
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: like Ken you Pigott. The QB twenty three is Jordan

742
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: Love and you know, first year starting for the Green

743
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: Bay Packers.

744
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: You know, what do you what are your what's your

745
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: outlook for him?

746
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: Another kind of interesting projection because he's had time in

747
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: this league, just hasn't hasn't played much. But he's also

748
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: now the first round talent either, so what are you

749
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: looking at for him?

750
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, the thing with Love is, you know,

751
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: we haven't seen him play much, so he is kind

752
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: of an unknown heading into year three, but he does

753
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: have a ton of experience, you know, backing up Aaron

754
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Rodgers is kind of how Aaron Rodgers started, so he

755
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: could be a lot more season and polish than we think.

756
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: You know, he has played extensively in preseason the past

757
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: couple of years, and I did like what I saw.

758
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, he he's pretty decisive, he knows how to

759
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: lead receivers, throws with anticipation, he does have you know,

760
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: rushing upside. He has all the things I think we

761
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: want in a fantasy quarterback. So I'll be watching him

762
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: closely this preseason. So I think that getting him this

763
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: late is certainly worth a fly or two here or there.

764
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: But I am worried about just his inexperienced wide receiver

765
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: and tight end group. That's that's really my struggle right

766
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: now is you know, Christian Watson, he seems like a stud.

767
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he took that one pass from Geor Love

768
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: six yards of the house in primetime, So I think

769
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: that like a guy like Chris Watson can help door

770
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: in Love. But he's going to be relying on Romeo Dobbs.

771
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: I know we love Dobbs, but he's still pretty inexperienced.

772
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: Jayden Reid isn't quite polished at receiver yet, and he's

773
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: probably gonna be thrust in the slot world right away.

774
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: And they have Luke Musgrave as a rookie tight end.

775
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: They have a couple rookie tight ends. So it's just

776
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: the inexperience surrounding him makes it really tough to think

777
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna just tear it up this year. But you know,

778
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: I think he does have talent, and he does have

779
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: that rushing upside where he's not worth completely fading here.

780
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 2: But I think Q twenty three sounds about.

781
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and he should play like there's no reason

782
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a bench you do want to so you know, weeks

783
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: where you need like a guaranteed starter in that second quarterback.

784
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: Slot or best ball.

785
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I bump him up a couple of spots because I think,

786
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, even a guy like pick It, like, you know,

787
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: you're not sure exactly how many games is gonna start.

788
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: Guys outside this range, you really you really don't know.

789
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think that this is like almost

790
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: unprecedented in terms of the experience where when you go.

791
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: On you know, love have only thrown you know, thrown a.

792
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: Few, not many passes in the in the league, and

793
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: then you know, all like the second two second year

794
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: starting wide receivers probably gonna have a rookie starting tight end. Yeah,

795
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's there's gonna be some miscommunications. Yeah,

796
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's a he's a good bet to lead the

797
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: league in interceptions.

798
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: That that's that.

799
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Oh, now we're talking. I love it because I was.

800
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: He has no competition like Sean Clifford, fifth round quarterback awful,

801
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Danny awful, They're all bad. So, yeah, he's going to

802
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: play all seventeen games. Yes, there's gonna be some miscommunications.

803
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if he leaves the ligand picks. They're

804
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: going to play him anyway. So that that is a

805
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: good bet to make. I don't have to go check

806
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: that market out. Yeah. But and the one thing that

807
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: does worry me is, you know, Christian Watson is a stud,

808
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: but he was banged up all last year. So I mean,

809
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: if Watson does miss time, you know, it just makes

810
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: the situation even worse, which would only lead to more interceptions.

811
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: So I do like JR. Love is the talent. But yeah,

812
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: that does seem like the market to kind of invest in.

813
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: Him yeah, and like that this QB twenty three rank,

814
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, or ADP like, I think again that's because

815
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: we we're not really projecting him to miss many games.

816
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: So depending on the type of league you're in, Like

817
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I think in a in a best ball where you

818
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: don't want miss games, I think think he's valuable, but

819
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: like if you could if you're in like like a

820
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: different type of league, I think there are some quarterbacks

821
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: where if you want more risk, you know, some of

822
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: these guys going after him might be better options.

823
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: Here.

824
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is a QB twenty four, and we'll have

825
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: we'll start doing our Rookie Report episodes next week, so

826
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: we'll have one on quarterbacks, so we'll talk about it

827
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: more in depth, but just kind of your general thoughts

828
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: on Bryce Young here at QB twenty four.

829
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I do like him here. He's my QB twenty

830
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: so I think he offers enough upside to really take

831
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: as a low end QB two. You know, he had

832
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: a very productive career at Alabama, the first Alabama quarterback

833
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: to win the Heisman, the first one to throw back

834
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: to the back three thousand and season, so he's he

835
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: was the number one overall pick for a reason, and

836
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: he's he's very similar to Keyler Murray and that he's small,

837
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: he's athletic. He doesn't scramble as much as Kyler, so

838
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he has that type of fantasy upside.

839
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: But he's a much more polish passer than Kyler was

840
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: it maybe is currently, but just know that he doesn't

841
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: use his legs as much. But as a rookie, I

842
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: think he will probably scramble a lot more than he

843
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: probably wants to, just because I don't think he has

844
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: great talent around him, so I think he's gonna lean

845
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: on his legs a bit more, giving him some nice upside.

846
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: I think at this point it does look like he

847
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: will start Week one over Andy Dalton, although we talked

848
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: about Andy Dalton looked great last year, so this does

849
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: hinge on him kind of being the starter right away.

850
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: But I think at QB twenty four, I love the

851
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: upside definitely more than CJ. Stroud. CJ. Stroud's more of

852
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: a pocket passer, probably gonna have a tougher time transitioning

853
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: to the NFL, So I think out of you know,

854
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: those two guys, Bryce Young is the one for me

855
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: because I think he will tap into that rushing upside

856
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: a bit more as a rookie.

857
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was always on team Bryce Young over Stroud.

858
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: I know there was some debate, but I love the player.

859
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: I do think. You know, there is a chance obviously

860
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: take some hits, get hurt.

861
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: But there is like kind of all the you know,

862
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: as a passer, I think he has the most upside

863
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: in year one, you know, more so than a guy

864
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: like Richardson or got A Stroud and just in terms

865
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: of a passer. So you know, the supporting cast isn't great,

866
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: so you know, we'll see. I think they are depending

867
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: on like Steven or one of those guys to come

868
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: through for them. But overall, yeah, I think there's a

869
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: lot of talent here. I think he will run more

870
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: than Stroud. And again, like in this range, like you know,

871
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is like the safe option, but I think

872
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Ryce Young is worth taking on. I think there's more

873
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: talent there so the risk, you know, the passing numbers

874
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: probably aren't going to be too dissimilar between both of them,

875
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: so I don't mind taking the risk on Young, especially

876
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: if we get word that he's starting week one, because

877
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to bench him for even

878
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: though Andy Dalton's one of those guys that like canill,

879
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: he can you know, spot start better than most guys

880
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: in this league. Like, it doesn't really make sense to

881
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: bench Bryce Young if you do start in Week one,

882
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: because he just wanted them to take his lumps and

883
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: learn the positions. Though, Yeah, I definitely think he's he

884
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: could be worth the risk in this spot. Okay, what

885
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: about guys outside the top twenty four, anyone you like

886
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: in that range?

887
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, and again I'm not going too far off

888
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: the path here. I'm going with Brock Purty, who's at

889
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: QB twenty five right now. You know, it sounds like

890
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: he will be the week one starter if healthy and

891
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 2: breaking news today John Lynch said he's cleared and ready

892
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: to go, so that's very good news. And you know

893
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: last year he was QB nine and his six starts.

894
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: He just he's the perfect fit for the Kyle Shanahan

895
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: offense that always tends to boost how good the quarterback is.

896
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: And he has Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel Brande, George Kittle.

897
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: But the one thing about Brock perty that we didn't

898
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: see as much last year is he he is actually

899
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: a good He's a sneaky good runner. He rushed for

900
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: over thirty yards twenty four times in college, and we

901
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: have to remember they include sacks, so it was pretty impressive,

902
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: like how often he ran and how good he was.

903
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: And you know, he's a similar height, weight forty time

904
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: as Patrick Mahomes, So I think he has similar rushing

905
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: upside as like a Patrick Mahomes. But one of the

906
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: unique things about Perdy is, you know, when it comes

907
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: to as forty times, the first ten yard split was

908
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: one point five to five seconds, which is ninety fifth percentile.

909
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: That's why he is so good at evating pressure. I mean,

910
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: we saw that game with him together in New York,

911
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: the Wildcard game where he went across the field like

912
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: three different times and Brandy dropped the touchdown. But we

913
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: didn't see that as much last year. But I think

914
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: with a full offseason with maybe the four and Arras

915
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: being more comfortable with him running around, I think last

916
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: year they kind of put the cap on that because

917
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: they couldn't afford to get hurt. We have yet to

918
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: see Perdy at his like ceiling, I think, so. I

919
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: don't think he was just a flash in the pan

920
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: last year. I think like he's that good in this scheme,

921
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: and he could provide even more value fantasy if he

922
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: does tap into his rushing upside a bit more. So.

923
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: I think even at you know, KB twenty five, I

924
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: think he's offering a ton of value.

925
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.

926
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: I think this he's the He's the one that sticks out,

927
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: especially with the news that we just got His AAP

928
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: is obviously gonna jump up. But yeah, he should be

929
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: inside the top twenty quarterbacks just based on the supporting

930
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: cast in itself. You know, that's everywhere he's throwing the

931
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: ball pretty much. He's gonna have a plus receiver and

932
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, you touch on it perfectly. You can move

933
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: around as well, so he has everything we want. So

934
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: now that we're getting you know news, I think he's

935
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: a guy you bump up. He should definitely be going

936
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: before a guy like Kyro, Like, I don't see why

937
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: you would take Hyra over him given what we know

938
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: at this point. So yeah, I mean, perty would be

939
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: the number one for me too. I think some other

940
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: guys that are sneaky Ryan Tannehill, I think it's because

941
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: he's another guy runs a little bit more than the

942
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: average quarterback. And we've seen him put up some very

943
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: efficient seasons in the past. And now, you know, if

944
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: Hopkins is just Hopkins, you know, maybe doesn't even have

945
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: to be prime Hopkins. But if he's just Hopkins, you know,

946
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: normal kind of just past his prime Hopkins. Straylan Burt

947
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: takes a step forward in hear to Shake takes a

948
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: step forward in hear to Uh. You know, Tannehill could

949
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: go right back to you know that like hyper efficient

950
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, seven high, sevens low, eight yards per attempt,

951
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, like very successful in the red zone type

952
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. So as long as he's starting, and I

953
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: think I don't think they're tanking the season or anything.

954
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: So I think Tannehill will open the year as a starter.

955
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: I think he could be sneaky h And I guess

956
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: like the poor man's version of of a guy like

957
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: Perty is probably a guy like Desmond Ridder right, Like

958
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a lot of talent. He's gonna throw

959
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: be thrown to a lot of talented guys too. It's

960
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: just for with him, we don't know how quite how

961
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: good he is, Like the jury is out on him,

962
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to kind of at least take a

963
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: take a flyer on him if I need a quarterback

964
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: in that range, because you know you're throwing a Bijeon

965
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: and Pitts and London and you know Patterson's still there,

966
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: like in the wine is good, Arthur Smith is like

967
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is the one who made Tannehill into like

968
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: a fantasy viable quarterback at first. So I think Ridder

969
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: is the other guy that kind of stands out a

970
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: little bit to me, just as just as a flyer.

971
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have the same rushing upside

972
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: that Marcus Mereda has obviously, but you know last year

973
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: we were using Merit as a streamer, yeah, you know,

974
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: a good DFS type of play. So I think Ritter

975
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: is similar where he will tap into his rushing ability

976
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: and he does have you know, some elite pass catching

977
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: talent around him, and Drake Lenon, Kyle Pitts and Jean

978
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: Robinson is a fantastic pass catching back. So I think,

979
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: just based on the situation, I think Ritter will have

980
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: a pretty long leash too. I think they want to

981
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: see what he's got. We already know what Tyler Heineke is,

982
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 2: so I think they'll they'll give Ritter a long leash,

983
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: so where he's going, I think he has enough upside

984
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: to warrant some flyers right there.

985
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, all right, that is so that's going to

986
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: do it for QB two pod.

987
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: To recap Sean, you like Gino Smith in that you know,

988
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: in that QB two range. I like Jared Goff. Well

989
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: we both like Gino Smith and Jared Goff put it

990
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, we both love Brock Purdy right outside

991
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: the top twenty five as well. We're both pretty well

992
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: not really loving Aaron.

993
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: Rodgers this year. Derek Carr or Derek Carr or Derek Carr.

994
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is that's kind of the summary here,

995
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: and we'll start diving into these rookies more in the

996
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: coming weeks, and we'll start doing our rookie report with

997
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: the running back and wide receiver positions next week, so

998
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. Our Fantasy rankings are up at

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00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,799
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