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Speaker 1: Ship? Everything all good? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah that that that flu adds you down?
Speaker 2: Amnue to go, didn't it a little bit?
Speaker 1: And ship?
Speaker 3: But you know, really, I just you know, take the
Speaker 3: time to try to focus on you know, the new year,
Speaker 3: what's been going on. You know, new president, new rules,
Speaker 3: new laws, you know, same nigga, same bullshit.
Speaker 1: So you know what it is, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Man. With that being said, we were talking earlier today man,
Speaker 2: and we still did. Our focus for twenty and twenty
Speaker 2: five is having more legendary figures from the coast on
Speaker 2: you know, right, those unheroed you know, underground legends man,
Speaker 2: the underground heroes Man, the dude that you know don't
Speaker 2: have our trunk rattling, you know, from the nineties on
Speaker 2: up to the two thousands. Man. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think this is as good as start as any we
Speaker 2: got on the black Steed from RBL Poskin the Building Night,
Speaker 2: Black Sea. What's happening with you?
Speaker 1: Man? What's up with y'all? Man?
Speaker 2: Man shoot Man? Good looking on coming through Man. You
Speaker 2: definitely man, one of those unsung ghetto heroes. Man.
Speaker 4: Man, appreciate that. Appreciate that. Man appreciate it. So that's
Speaker 4: another legends man. You know, Yes, indeed, yes, indeed we appreciate.
Speaker 4: Try to stay focused and grounded man. You know, uh,
Speaker 4: not to say that you know niggas Nigga's heritage and
Speaker 4: foundation ain't important, but you know, sometimes you know, when
Speaker 4: you play the position that some of us artists play,
Speaker 4: you know, as far as uh being compared to you know,
Speaker 4: positions on the hip.
Speaker 1: Hop map, Uh.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we play a back seat. So trying to focus
Speaker 3: on a lot of those artists who don't you know,
Speaker 3: really get you know, invited or you know, invitations or
Speaker 3: brought to the table on certain ship.
Speaker 2: It's real, dope, yes, real, that's real. I was looking
Speaker 2: at I was reading the book right and I was
Speaker 2: talking to you earlier. I did not realize San Francisco
Speaker 2: head was up there banging like you was.
Speaker 1: Except I don't call it.
Speaker 2: Ain't like la y'all call the turf wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was more of a turf thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: We represent projects. A lot of people didn't know, like
Speaker 4: San Francisco. They looked at it like a tourist town.
Speaker 4: But we got Hella projects up up in there, you know,
Speaker 4: from phil Mo to Sunnydale in fild Mo is Hella
Speaker 4: projects in Hunter's Point where I'm from, Hella projects. I
Speaker 4: mean real concrete jungles, you know, like semen slabs, like
Speaker 4: a bunch of them. So you will get it twisted
Speaker 4: and think it's just like Pier thirty nine and like
Speaker 4: the gay area. You know they EBT community over in
Speaker 4: Castro and then you know, but it's a darker side
Speaker 4: over there. And I was I was knee deep in
Speaker 4: it over there, you know what I mean. On Harbor Road,
Speaker 4: my projects that I was born and raised in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was one of the most dumb I
Speaker 2: guess it was one of the most relatious periods up
Speaker 2: there in San Francisco, Like that period from the when
Speaker 2: was it from eighty eight on up to the nineties.
Speaker 4: I'd say eighty seven, around eighty six, late eighty six eighties,
Speaker 4: really eighty seven into ninety one. When I called the
Speaker 4: truce was around like around ninety two. So from eighty
Speaker 4: seven to ninety two, it was it was hectic around there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you was what would you say, man, was
Speaker 2: the was the root of all that all that funking
Speaker 2: that was going down.
Speaker 4: It kind of all started, uh really kind of like
Speaker 4: over a female and it kind of escalated when you know,
Speaker 4: certain movies like Colors kind of gassed everybody up, put
Speaker 4: batteries in everybody back around there, you know. But it
Speaker 4: really kind of just like house parties, the party at
Speaker 4: the Meridian, what I could really remember.
Speaker 1: We're kind of uh.
Speaker 4: One of my focus, Ronnie Royn, who was from Hunter's Point,
Speaker 4: was from my area. He's from a different project, but
Speaker 4: he was a known figure over there, and he got
Speaker 4: into it with some dudes from Field Mo from like
Speaker 4: like I was telling you earlier, with JT, the bigger
Speaker 4: figure and wrapping Foete all them saying Quinn all limits
Speaker 4: from that area, and uh, they got into it behind
Speaker 4: the female.
Speaker 1: They tried to take his car at this party.
Speaker 4: And from there, you know, it started with like fights,
Speaker 4: you know, just really just punching and fighting and all that,
Speaker 4: you know, having little little squabbles or whatever. And they
Speaker 4: went from there to you know, mofucker, pull out a pistol.
Speaker 4: Once you get hit once, once a person gets shot.
Speaker 4: It was the back and forth. And I said all
Speaker 4: stemmed from really everybody started getting guns when the crack hit.
Speaker 1: We all started selling.
Speaker 4: And when they would have just you know, dolphins coming through,
Speaker 4: you know, you getting dop feed rentals, you you you
Speaker 4: buying the pistols and all that, and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden it went from fighting.
Speaker 3: To sound like the same type of.
Speaker 1: Ship saying you know, it was the same story really everywhere.
Speaker 3: And it was, uh, you know, it was an era
Speaker 3: where we came up on guns. You know, the riots
Speaker 3: or whatever. Niggas was breaking in the gun stores, surplus stores,
Speaker 3: you know, So thus the hood got the fluctuation of
Speaker 3: weapons and ammunition. And you know, I think that era
Speaker 3: was real critical for everybody in the beginning hoods been
Speaker 3: around and ship, you know. But you know, there's like
Speaker 3: a point in time, just like a point in history
Speaker 3: where it's a significant event, certain situations and ship and
Speaker 3: that did it for a lot of us, you know,
Speaker 3: around that Colors era, you know, the Rodney King ship.
Speaker 3: It was always but you know, not to misguide motherfuckers. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's always been a fluctuation of inner city problems within
Speaker 3: those sections with niggas, and you know it was it
Speaker 3: was just that where niggas was trying to grow up
Speaker 3: in the neighborhoods and protect the sections. But still just
Speaker 3: eventually that's what it turned into. You know, we wasn't
Speaker 3: turn turned nigga switch blades, turning the motherfucking deuce deuces
Speaker 3: and shot them. You know, we gotta we got our
Speaker 3: hand on the motherfucking said the war guns and ship.
Speaker 3: You know, some niggas thought they was Billy the kid
Speaker 3: like niggas. It's old the cracking.
Speaker 4: Real talk, you said, switch blades and then that's what
Speaker 4: my old g's that's what they was doing that.
Speaker 1: The the worst was like a.
Speaker 3: Nightca niggas went for Niggas went for motherfucking fingers, fingers
Speaker 3: snapping and whipping out, change and backs, and niggas got
Speaker 3: changed and bats a nigga want one nigga pulled out
Speaker 3: to switch blade niggas like oh ship. One of the
Speaker 3: confrontations with niggas was like, okay, niggas switch blades and fish.
Speaker 3: Some nigga pulled off the dou stows. It was like,
Speaker 3: oh sh real talk. That's when you knew, nigga that
Speaker 3: the the motherfucking territory is is finna be known and
Speaker 3: ship because you don't motherfucking wanting to beat niggas asses
Speaker 3: to want to blast on niggas.
Speaker 1: The one that's serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real talk, real talk, like we didn't have like
Speaker 4: it just it just kind of automatically turned into something
Speaker 4: like a gang. Because you know, when you're growing up
Speaker 4: like in the projects, you got all your homies, you playing,
Speaker 4: you know, you're going to the boys club with We
Speaker 4: had like our flag football league, basketball league. We was
Speaker 4: playing all the little h twelve and ups and thirteen
Speaker 4: in us we grew up with, and we were just in
Speaker 4: there and just the dudes we'd be squabbling with and
Speaker 4: pretty soon you just kind of become that, you know,
Speaker 4: we all of a sudden, Harborough become hr D.
Speaker 1: Now we representing hr D, you know, slash right.
Speaker 4: So it just just became that. We never really said
Speaker 4: we was a gang. It was just we just hung
Speaker 4: with each other and it just be out of a sudden,
Speaker 4: just became that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So well, you know what, it's the same thing. And
Speaker 2: the late to I think people got it like kind
Speaker 2: of misconstrued a little bit thinking because they think about
Speaker 2: the colors. The first thing they think about us the colors, right,
Speaker 2: what really is just about the neighborhood. It's the same
Speaker 2: thing as yours, you know. You know when he was
Speaker 2: doing what he was doing, it was all about his neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It sounded like it's the
Speaker 2: same thing. One of the things that tripped me out, man,
Speaker 2: is that when you had got shot man a little
Speaker 2: bit further man, you got your whole head blew off NT.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I was a little bit closer when they
Speaker 4: did the drive by the dudes from Sunnydale, you know,
Speaker 4: and that day we had jumped them on Third Street.
Speaker 4: Third Street is like a crenchya out here, where everybody
Speaker 4: decided in their cars. You know, showing off, going up
Speaker 4: and down the street with they slap, doing ay things,
Speaker 4: showing off with some dudes from another side, some other projects,
Speaker 4: Swampy Desert, Sunnydal They came through and they about like
Speaker 4: three four cars.
Speaker 1: We jumped them that day and you.
Speaker 4: Know, everybody get the congregate and go back up to
Speaker 4: the projects talking about what they did. I did this,
Speaker 4: I did that, and yeah, they kind of slipping and
Speaker 4: you know, I was strapped up. Everything had a hoodie on.
Speaker 4: We out there talking. We got dudes on rooftops and everything.
Speaker 4: And we had some ussos up at the top. Because
Speaker 4: our projects that we grew with a lot of oosos,
Speaker 4: Like we didn't have a lot of Latinos. They grew
Speaker 4: up kind of like in the Mission district, like on
Speaker 4: twenty fourth or that. They really hanging out with us
Speaker 4: until later on like currently now once the music pop
Speaker 4: we started, you know kind of like intermingling or whatever
Speaker 4: with the Latinos. But for the most part, it was
Speaker 4: a lot of some morns in our projects. We grew
Speaker 4: up with them like heavy out here in the city.
Speaker 4: So they was watching and top and all that he
Speaker 4: had like folk cars snuck around the corna on us,
Speaker 4: and I looked right into it when I heard the screech,
Speaker 4: and I turned around and I got hit by a
Speaker 4: half of building away. You know, they uh twelve gauges
Speaker 4: and started shooting. My whole face got hit. I got
Speaker 4: shot like kind of I said, like probably maybe about
Speaker 4: fifty feet away, fifty to sixty feet away, but with
Speaker 4: some buck shots.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He had no slugs in
Speaker 1: it and nothing like that.
Speaker 4: It was just some buck shots and I still got
Speaker 4: them in my all in my head and my face.
Speaker 1: Today to this day. Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a.
Speaker 4: Few people got shot out there, but I was pretty
Speaker 4: much the first one. As soon as I got hit,
Speaker 4: I instantly went blind, you know, my whole side. And
Speaker 4: they brushed me to the hospital and had to remove
Speaker 4: my eye and the whole nine because it was like
Speaker 4: my retina was bad. And the doctor was just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we gotta get it all up out of that leg.
Speaker 4: Gonna contaminate you know, his his retina and it's gonna
Speaker 4: add the other one's gonna go blind.
Speaker 2: So they had to remove it instantly. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. It's the same thing down here. He can
Speaker 2: test to this. It's always a girl. That's the root
Speaker 2: of all the bs, ain't it. Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Always a female bro. Always the female at the root
Speaker 2: of some bullshit dog like I'm talking about from the
Speaker 2: beginning of the time when you talk about like even
Speaker 2: back in the biblical days, it was always behind a
Speaker 2: female dog man always.
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 3: All. You know, all beef stem from female interaction, uh some,
Speaker 3: but you know a lot of it comes from just
Speaker 3: just downright, you know, just jealousy. Sometimes business, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to go into business, whether that is the street
Speaker 3: game you know, or whether it's uh real ship. Sometimes
Speaker 3: business and money uh can allow motherfucking beefs. And then
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with money on the street thing or
Speaker 3: even jealousy, jealousy to show reputation is a lot to
Speaker 3: some niggas. You know, sometimes if your reputation is more
Speaker 3: than what a nigga might seek to be in the
Speaker 3: same you know section as you claim the same set
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, you would hope that it don't
Speaker 3: lead to that. But sometimes jealousy, man, can can have
Speaker 3: you know, the neighborhood in a different outlook. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: the longstanding a different motherfucking uh, just a long standing
Speaker 3: beef sometimes is what really brought the motherfucking drama to
Speaker 3: the situation. Not to say that some females don't play
Speaker 3: a part, because you know, some females have you know,
Speaker 3: uh kids, fathers from different sets and shit like that. No,
Speaker 3: you know how you know, you know our women, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: you know back in you know, back when we used
Speaker 3: to roam the hood. You know, it was you know,
Speaker 3: get what you're gonna get, and get like whatever, and
Speaker 3: you know, whatever nigga that was going, you know, step
Speaker 3: up to the plate, whether he was from the enemy
Speaker 3: hood or whether he was a nigga that was from
Speaker 3: your own hood.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 3: So you know that you deal with that ship in
Speaker 3: any situation right now, as far as not even just
Speaker 3: the hood is concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how my.
Speaker 4: Hood, that's from my neighborhood, My projects fell apart. You know,
Speaker 4: when mississ C got killed, you know, you know, and
Speaker 4: first it was Hunter's point against fieldmore sunny there.
Speaker 1: Once truths came, then it started being inner turf beefs.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like the jealousy we now we got
Speaker 4: that rap thing, you know, I was already considered a
Speaker 4: reptiboy or whatever you want to call it up here
Speaker 4: in my neighborhood in Missis c was new. He had
Speaker 4: only had been up there three years, and his reputation
Speaker 4: shot up because of the rat. So he shot past
Speaker 4: a lot of dudes. Females come through. They coming through
Speaker 4: looking for you know, me and mister C. They looking
Speaker 4: for RBS. So a lot of dudes was getting jealous
Speaker 4: because he didn't really have to quote unquote put in
Speaker 4: no work over there, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 4: got came through through the rap thing through one of
Speaker 4: our homies who was dating his and his status just elevated,
Speaker 4: and it just was jealousy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it cost inner.
Speaker 4: Turf beef and one thing with another word. You know,
Speaker 4: he ended up getting killed. You know, say the dudes
Speaker 4: who was on our first aloho, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Just because you grew up with TT around
Speaker 3: the corner and y'all flirted and all that nigga TT want,
Speaker 3: the TT want the name and the nigga with the
Speaker 3: bas nigga. You feel me, you get me, nigga. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all from the hood and everything is all good.
Speaker 3: She the bad bitch, but she still nowhere to choose
Speaker 3: and ship and like you said some time, that jealousy
Speaker 3: is too overwhelming for a motherfucker to accept.
Speaker 1: Real talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah really, And you know one of the things is, man,
Speaker 2: y'all came up during a period where it wasn't a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of rappers. It wasn't like it today, man,
Speaker 2: So y'all was really like pioneers in the city. And
Speaker 2: y'all was a really big deal man, because y'allways signed
Speaker 2: in a minute.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, we uh well, we was out the trunk
Speaker 1: for a minute.
Speaker 4: Was a short minute. Then we ended up doing a
Speaker 4: deal with in a minute. First they distributed our stuff
Speaker 4: through the music people. That that was like they company,
Speaker 4: they one stop sort of, you know, they just did
Speaker 4: a distribution and then we we sawd like maybe six
Speaker 4: thousand units to them, and that's when they ended up
Speaker 4: signing us to.
Speaker 1: Like a little three year deal.
Speaker 4: And I was just really trying to hit the block,
Speaker 4: So we signed a little shitty deal for three three albums.
Speaker 4: He paid us bought out cash me out for what
Speaker 4: he owed me for the five thousand units, and he
Speaker 4: ended up giving us like ten thousand. We signed for
Speaker 4: like ten thousand. I was trying to do, is hit
Speaker 4: the block and go grab some dub. I didn't even
Speaker 4: I didn't even care about that deal. I was just like, shit,
Speaker 4: it's more of that where that came from. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: we signed with in a minute, and that later on
Speaker 4: we transitioned over the Big Beat Atlantic.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Look, y'all must have sold some significant records though to
Speaker 2: get picked up by Big Beat Atlantic, because back then
Speaker 2: they wouldn't you know, I ain't.
Speaker 1: Say, Oh, Craig count and gonna snatch a nigga up
Speaker 1: came to see. That's personally. Yeah, before he even went
Speaker 1: to Atlantic and got that deal, I had a Big Bat.
Speaker 1: I had a production deal with Big Beat.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this before he even went to Atlantic Records,
Speaker 4: he was still running Big Beat. We gave Mike Caring
Speaker 4: the job up over there, like really kind of running
Speaker 4: it and smart.
Speaker 3: He was when I started fucking with and he was
Speaker 3: he was Atlantic. He was. Yeah, he had transitioned to
Speaker 3: the big seat over at Atlantic. Yeah, he wasn't there,
Speaker 3: but no more than about like maybe four five months
Speaker 3: after he signed us, and we was over there dealing
Speaker 3: with him for a minute he was excited, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he was just like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna put you on good hands. This is why he
Speaker 3: introduced this to Mike cann and I already knew it
Speaker 3: was ugly from there because Mike Camra was more East
Speaker 3: Coast he didn't really hear about West Coast rap like that.
Speaker 3: And I just felt his energy when I was hanging
Speaker 3: out with him for about a month and I was
Speaker 3: just like, man, he ain't giving me the same energy
Speaker 3: as Craig can.
Speaker 4: Craig knew exactly why he scientists. He knew I was
Speaker 4: doing all the beats, all the music and everything. That's
Speaker 4: why you stay. After we lost mississt was like, bro,
Speaker 4: I know you the one doing all the music. Pull
Speaker 4: hit Man in to kind of like, you know, feel
Speaker 4: the gap for Miss c and you know you just
Speaker 4: keep doing a production and let's just keep this going.
Speaker 4: We're gonna just re you know, reconstruct the deal and
Speaker 4: adjusted a little bit because we lost Mississi's I'm still
Speaker 4: taking the risk, he said, but let's do it. As
Speaker 4: soon as we did it, he was coming within like
Speaker 4: four five months. He was like, man, they pulled me
Speaker 4: in the Atlantic, but I'm still oversee it. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm president over there or whatever. And sure
Speaker 4: enough they end up cutting it. Man, they end up, Uh,
Speaker 4: Mike Cairn ended up kind of. I don't know, it
Speaker 4: just didn't work. We start bumping heads. It just wouldn't
Speaker 4: work out. He was trying to send us over the
Speaker 4: East Coast Producers and the whole nine, and we're just.
Speaker 1: Like, bro, this thing, what we want? This thing?
Speaker 4: What we this sing? What we do? You know, I produce?
Speaker 4: And he was like, now we're gonna spend this budget
Speaker 4: over here. He trying to get me to, you know,
Speaker 4: to work my budget. I'm like, man, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: keep this money in the house.
Speaker 2: With Mike heern he always with everybody he deal with.
Speaker 2: He can't never just be the label. He got to
Speaker 2: pull you in and try to make you spend your
Speaker 2: budget with some producers. I guarantee you the producers get
Speaker 2: to work with with some chances signed to him.
Speaker 3: That's probably because you know, I can get a kickback
Speaker 3: from that or some kind of way. I got a
Speaker 3: back door for production deal. If I got a backdoor
Speaker 3: production deal, then I can guarantee work for niggas that
Speaker 3: I'm going out you know under my production umbrother you
Speaker 3: know exactly that's basically some mouthpiece ship. You know, I
Speaker 3: can't turn on a drum machine or make a beat,
Speaker 3: but I know a lot of cats that's under the
Speaker 3: radar who produce. And you know, I can tell a nigga,
Speaker 3: I can get you five hundred for a beat, and
Speaker 3: in the end, nigga, I can really get five thousand.
Speaker 1: Exactly that.
Speaker 3: When niggas, you know, when niggas want to come in
Speaker 3: and take control over your motherfucking production budget, you know,
Speaker 3: especially if you are known to be the producer yourself
Speaker 3: saying it was the same shiit, same situation, Yeah, same situation, Uh.
Speaker 1: To get us to that big table and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. Hold on, man, he
Speaker 1: signed treacherous time.
Speaker 3: You know, West Coast artists and and y'all probably was
Speaker 3: going through the same motherfucking uh you know, uh tornado
Speaker 3: that everybody got caught up in. But you know, this
Speaker 3: was the transition of when motherfuckers was trying to push
Speaker 3: away from the table of the direction of West Coast
Speaker 3: artists because of what drama they felt, uh, the West
Speaker 3: Coast was bringing to hip hop, you know, as far
Speaker 3: as with Tupac's death and and that was going on
Speaker 3: as far as you know, at one point in time,
Speaker 3: we all was beefing with somebody.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 3: Don't relate that to the music business. It's just unfortunate
Speaker 3: our professions. It carried over into our professions. You get me,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, like you do that bad thing,
Speaker 3: you do that bad thing in your life and then
Speaker 3: you go somewhere and you change and you pay your
Speaker 3: dues and you reform, but then it's still motherfuckers who
Speaker 3: want to keep that over yo. You get me, nigga,
Speaker 3: you still get it. And that's what happened what a
Speaker 3: lot of us as youngsters, you know, coming from the
Speaker 3: block and the projects, because that was our introduction to
Speaker 3: just life. You get me wasn't like nowadays. And not
Speaker 3: to say that there wasn't choices back then were limited
Speaker 3: as far as the programs and activities like you know,
Speaker 3: my my my thirteen year old son could go to
Speaker 3: the center and join the basketball team, and he can
Speaker 3: go to the training camps and he can go to
Speaker 3: you know, or there's different kind of outlets for kids
Speaker 3: that where you can influence. Back then, growing up in
Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties, my influence was the game shit
Speaker 3: you right. You know I did not I did not
Speaker 3: quest to be a motherfucking uh man. I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: a school teacher. I'm a nigga exactly. Schools teachers were
Speaker 3: still riding the bus and struggling and still trying to
Speaker 3: put food on it. As far as the nigga who
Speaker 3: was my age down the street saying grade he got
Speaker 3: the newest motherfucking el Camino or fucking blazer in every
Speaker 3: bitch in high school is on his dick, and and
Speaker 3: I'm that's who I longed to be.
Speaker 1: You get me. So that was the neighborhood you got
Speaker 1: down the block.
Speaker 3: You didn't get that out no book or going to
Speaker 3: no no training or joining no football program or whatever.
Speaker 3: You got that from the block. So our opportunity, which
Speaker 3: presented when hip hop came along, that was our football,
Speaker 3: that was our baseball, our after.
Speaker 1: School or nigga go to school. I'm shit.
Speaker 3: And then now it's so easy for me because now
Speaker 3: I ain't got to take no motherfucking physics testa, no algebra.
Speaker 3: All I gotta do is write some shit about what's
Speaker 3: going on on my motherfucking block and how my fucking.
Speaker 1: Great is that?
Speaker 3: But that trend but as we're still growing into our
Speaker 3: our adulthood. Me as an adolescent nigga eighteen nineteen, nigga,
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck. I was signing Sony Music and
Speaker 3: still going to the neighborhood every day.
Speaker 4: Exactly, I couldn't get that check, the goin to go
Speaker 4: buy a bird or too.
Speaker 3: So because of because of that life that I had
Speaker 3: led before rap came along. And now I'm this rapper
Speaker 3: and I got me some videos and and I done
Speaker 3: been on MTV and had a couple of shows. I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to be looked at as you know, you're an
Speaker 3: artist entertainer now. But to me and the niggas, I
Speaker 3: went to school with them, niggas going that niggas steal
Speaker 3: from the set and still enemies and whatever whatever. So
Speaker 3: the labels, you know, that carried over with us as
Speaker 3: fucking artists. So thus far, that's when the labels got
Speaker 3: scared because our previous lifestyle was flooding over into the
Speaker 3: so called entertainment world. Now you get me niggas coming
Speaker 3: up here and motherfucking sets and hoods and that nigga
Speaker 3: had a gun on him, and I heard that Nigga
Speaker 3: had a warrant and the niggas was fighting in the
Speaker 3: lobby and.
Speaker 1: Shit, like, what the fuck is going on? So it's
Speaker 1: scared niggas.
Speaker 3: So y'all got caught up in that Atlantic ship, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to touch that ship no more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it was?
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 3: Them they start doing It's just like they did me.
Speaker 3: They started going, oh, we want to bring in producers.
Speaker 3: They wanted to change the style and your right. They
Speaker 3: no longer wanted you to speak on being from the projects.
Speaker 3: Now they want you to talk about having this lavish
Speaker 3: lifestyle and popping bottles and everything's a party. So let's
Speaker 3: bring in these East Coast producers and let's try to
Speaker 3: wook it. They did the same thing to me, and
Speaker 3: I had backed out the deal.
Speaker 2: Who was they trying to link you up with? Blake
Speaker 2: se Who were they trying to link you all up with?
Speaker 1: He said it was unknown.
Speaker 4: I think they were just some producers that Mike Caaren
Speaker 4: kind of knew because he was saying, like this producers
Speaker 4: produced for like he was bringing up son as some
Speaker 4: of the dudes in Wu tang Uh he produced, He
Speaker 4: produced for Red Man in Them, and he did some
Speaker 4: stuff for Keith Murty. It was just like producers who
Speaker 4: I never heard of him, Like, none of them, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, they don't even sound like it
Speaker 4: wasn't our sound he was. I mean, I had a
Speaker 4: bunch of because back then it was a lot. They
Speaker 4: was giving us a lot of cassette tapes. I mean,
Speaker 4: I still got that get you get you a producer,
Speaker 4: get your producer role. They see your beat tape, little produced.
Speaker 3: It was all like I said, it was all a
Speaker 3: little underground up and coming producers. Who was bringing New
Speaker 3: York uh glitsy sound.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah yeah, the job.
Speaker 3: Rule, the Timberland uh all all those was that's what
Speaker 3: because that's what they hit me with.
Speaker 1: They hit me with a gang of ship like that.
Speaker 3: And it I had beat, I had lt huttingsoning in beats,
Speaker 3: I had all kinds of niggas sitting they every time
Speaker 3: I had get a beat, they would not accept it.
Speaker 3: To the fact that I had how to the fact
Speaker 3: that I was like, I'm gonna sue, Yeah, that's got it.
Speaker 3: I threatened to sue. And so they settled out of
Speaker 3: court with me, and that was the end of mind.
Speaker 3: I had a nine album production deal with Big Beat
Speaker 3: Atlantic Man, they ran it up on me.
Speaker 4: I had, I had uh had a five album deal,
Speaker 4: three mandatory and two optionals.
Speaker 1: We only did one album and then.
Speaker 4: Mike Canry just couldn't After I dropped that if one
Speaker 4: Eye album, I had eight on every like, I went
Speaker 4: out and start getting features people who are really wanted
Speaker 4: him Richie rich you know I do t Q and them.
Speaker 4: I ended up getting a mystical. I got a lot
Speaker 4: of people, which usually on our hours we just it
Speaker 4: be us like we don't really trip on features like that.
Speaker 4: We're just like, man, our fans want to hear us,
Speaker 4: We're gonna hear they was they talked justus and they're like, man,
Speaker 4: who do you like? And I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I like a man, I like Cube, I like, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm naming everybody who I kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: I got influenced by. And they was like, okay, we're
Speaker 4: gonna try to reach out. And I had to put
Speaker 4: mentioned Scarface was supposed to be on there. Short was
Speaker 4: supposed to be on there. We ended up getting with
Speaker 4: a couple of people and the singles just wasn't they
Speaker 4: was They tried to do this ship to where he
Speaker 4: was trying to do remixes and like, let's just go on,
Speaker 4: and he put us pulled our masterpiece stuff, and I
Speaker 4: was like, let's listen with master p doing like to
Speaker 4: make him say and like come with something with a
Speaker 4: nice little swing of linger.
Speaker 1: It's like, Bro, that ain't what we known folks. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: Mike cam or.
Speaker 4: Mike uh as far as what said create, Cadam has
Speaker 4: signed us for what we've known for doing.
Speaker 1: Man, I said, you know this ain't me.
Speaker 4: And we just bumped here through that whole process, through
Speaker 4: the promo process, and by the time we started on
Speaker 4: the next album, he was like, man, look before I
Speaker 4: hadn't opened up the budget. I need y'all to give
Speaker 4: me a single. And I was like, I don't even
Speaker 4: work like that. I work on an album. Then I
Speaker 4: pulled a single from it. I said, let's just start
Speaker 4: open up the budget. Let me start on. He's like, nah,
Speaker 4: I'm notin't even gonna open it up. I want you
Speaker 4: to give me a single first, and he said, what
Speaker 4: you think of it? Take you to produce a single?
Speaker 4: I said, you know, man, we'll just shoot me around
Speaker 4: ten thousand. He shot us ten thousand. I did two songs.
Speaker 4: He shot them down. I was like, now I put it.
Speaker 4: I tried to do one with a little R and
Speaker 4: B feel on it and on. I said, let me
Speaker 4: do one a little bit more radio friendly. He didn't
Speaker 4: like that. I said, all right, let me give him
Speaker 4: something a little more grind me. He didn't like that.
Speaker 4: So I ended up going to my lawyer like, man, look,
Speaker 4: this is not even gonna work. He don't want to
Speaker 4: open up the budget. He said it was two mandatories.
Speaker 4: I mean three mandatories. Well, you know, if they don't
Speaker 4: want to put out this next album, they got to
Speaker 4: kick you down, like three seventy five three seventy five
Speaker 4: thousand to buy you out, and then we can just
Speaker 4: cut the deal.
Speaker 1: You know, they can just let you go.
Speaker 4: They ended up shoffing me, And what they did was
Speaker 4: they stretched it on for like a year or two
Speaker 4: and tried to shelf me. But I'm like, man, I'm
Speaker 4: from the Bay. When we went into this independent shit,
Speaker 4: I went pressed. I started doing shit, you know, independent,
Speaker 4: throwing stuff out, you know, the back dough on them.
Speaker 1: And I didn't care about it. I said, man, they
Speaker 1: sued me. They sued me whatever.
Speaker 4: I was using an RBL name, and I put out
Speaker 4: like three other albums while I was trying to go
Speaker 4: through the shit with U with my lawyer. They ran
Speaker 4: that lawyer bill up to like one hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: five thousand on me man.
Speaker 1: So he was like, bro, it ain't even work by
Speaker 1: the time you get this money.
Speaker 4: If we even get it, you know you're gonna owe
Speaker 4: me so much that he said, Man, You'm always just
Speaker 4: going to just do what you're doing with City Hard Records.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't put out a couple of albums
Speaker 4: with them. Walter had paid me like he gave me.
Speaker 4: He was giving me like fifty thousand album Then Bayside
Speaker 4: opened up, and that's when I was just off to
Speaker 4: the racist Bayside opened up a Budzet's giving me like
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand albums. So it was off to the
Speaker 4: races with them, and I just I never even really
Speaker 4: even talked to my kidd.
Speaker 2: You was making more money as an independent and what
Speaker 2: you wanted to do versus dealing with them clowns, and
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that want to go
Speaker 2: back to your group. Man. The RBL policy. You are
Speaker 2: the last surviving member, Yes, sir, how did you handle
Speaker 2: let time period mentally? Because that's a whole lot.
Speaker 4: Bro Man, it was a you know, we I lost
Speaker 4: mis c man that you know. It just that shit
Speaker 4: crushed me out. You know, I really was damn there
Speaker 4: wasn't even trying. And if Craig wouldn't even come and
Speaker 4: talk to me, I probably wouldn't even got back in there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I had my brother and all them kind of at me,
Speaker 4: like Bruther, you got to keep the torch lit, you know,
Speaker 4: all I was thinking, I was just on some evil shit.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to go tear the hood up because
Speaker 4: these dudes I grew up with for like, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been knowing them since knee high, you know, the
Speaker 4: dudes that betrayed me. I grew up with them in
Speaker 4: the projects. I knew them like over twenty years, and
Speaker 4: I missed the c He was new up there. I
Speaker 4: only had new him since ninety one and then he
Speaker 4: died at night, so it's about like four years I
Speaker 4: had new him, so you know, four to maybe five years.
Speaker 1: So it was just it was just a betrayal, man,
Speaker 1: the way they kind of like snaked.
Speaker 4: Me, and all I wanted to do, man, was just
Speaker 4: tear that neighborhood up.
Speaker 1: You know, when my brother and all them.
Speaker 4: They were just like, brother, you got way too much
Speaker 4: to lose, like this is still an opportunity to get out.
Speaker 4: Craig came out and talked to me, and that just
Speaker 4: kind of woke me up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it just wasn't the same.
Speaker 4: I ended up not even producing too much even I
Speaker 4: think I maybe did three songs on that album, and
Speaker 4: I ended up going to Get with Rick Rock, and
Speaker 4: Rick Rock was kind of like the savior, you know,
Speaker 4: to get because Mike, like I said, Mike cam was
Speaker 4: sending me all over the place. I got with Mike
Speaker 4: Mosley like Mosley got me with uh with Rick Rock,
Speaker 4: and Rick Rock kind of walked that album up for me, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it was like his start, you know, we was
Speaker 4: like his start.
Speaker 1: You know, I love what he doing right now.
Speaker 4: But he kicked it off for us and gave us
Speaker 4: some hits on that album to where Rick Rock, yeah,
Speaker 4: shut out Rick Rock though, but yeah, man, it was hard.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: It was that whole year, that that whole ninety six,
Speaker 4: It was ugly for us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of people, you know, at the
Speaker 4: MISSISSIPI died. Man, it was like probably like twenty people
Speaker 4: that died after that. You know, it was just a
Speaker 4: lot of shit going on, just back and forth, houses
Speaker 4: getting ready, you know, fans coming to Miuse with my
Speaker 4: brother and all of them getting swooped up by the Feds,
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean just everything.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: We was going through a lot, man, trying to make
Speaker 4: that transition. And I was in the process of buying
Speaker 4: my house. Was I put out the hit Man album
Speaker 4: in ninety five, like right before Misiss C died, I
Speaker 4: dropped Hitman album and we sold that out.
Speaker 1: We sold like about two hundred and twenty thousand after
Speaker 1: the Trunk with that one.
Speaker 4: You know, I was going getting cod ten dollars of
Speaker 4: CD from City Hall, eating off.
Speaker 1: Of that, and I ended up buying my house.
Speaker 4: And right before I got my keys, they ended up
Speaker 4: killing Misiss looking that transition, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: in Antioch, so getting up out the hood.
Speaker 1: So it was just a lot going on at that time.
Speaker 4: So the whole ninety six we kind of like lay
Speaker 4: low trying to figure things out.
Speaker 1: Mid ninety seven. You know, that's when we ended up
Speaker 1: dropping the IFO an Eye album, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and master P was up there during that time
Speaker 2: period he was doing he.
Speaker 1: Was he had left about yeah, he had.
Speaker 4: He was all up there, like from ninety ninety one
Speaker 4: through like maybe ninety four. Master he end up he
Speaker 4: ended up going to the South by THEND, he ended
Speaker 4: up going down there and start killing him in the
Speaker 4: South because by the.
Speaker 2: Time, it surprised you when you saw what he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because nobody really cared for P up here. There
Speaker 4: was just like he was kind of like taking people's styles.
Speaker 4: He was trying to sound like Spice One, and he
Speaker 4: was trying to sound like ce Bow. He was taking
Speaker 4: people songs and kind of like they was looking at
Speaker 4: him sort of almost like a weird al yank a
Speaker 4: Vica rap.
Speaker 1: Like out here he was like flipping dudes hooks like
Speaker 1: he took the lot, you know.
Speaker 4: But I had love for Pete because he you know,
Speaker 4: even when he tried to sign us too, and then
Speaker 4: once he went in and got his money, he was like, man,
Speaker 4: forget Atlantic, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you need to come rock with us, and you know,
Speaker 1: come down here and deal with me.
Speaker 4: Black and I was just like I just couldn't do it,
Speaker 4: And plus I just kind of wanted that experience we're
Speaker 4: dealing with like you know, big beat Atlantic, because we
Speaker 4: had relativity at US, we had depth jam at US priority,
Speaker 4: but none of them was offering with uh with Craig
Speaker 4: Calluman was offering us.
Speaker 1: So you know, we ended up going with them.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was a it was a it was
Speaker 4: a master people was like doing this thing.
Speaker 1: He was a big We all was surprised.
Speaker 4: Nobody expecting him to leave and blow up like that
Speaker 4: because nobody really cared for him like that out here.
Speaker 4: Nobody and everybody admitted it was like, damn, we didn't
Speaker 4: expect master P. Like they looked at the Master P
Speaker 4: as a garbage rapper out here. They didn't really fuck
Speaker 4: with him like that.
Speaker 2: But he was a limless hustle though.
Speaker 4: That's what I said. He was a business man when
Speaker 4: he came to the to get us. You know, he
Speaker 4: broke us off here black he go five thousand, you know,
Speaker 4: he came and got us for the second one. Uh,
Speaker 4: Mississ didn't really want to get on it. He didn't
Speaker 4: really like you know, he just was like, man, garbage.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to be on this compilation man,
Speaker 4: And uh, he ended up getting us on trying to
Speaker 4: make a dollar out of fifteen cent and uh, like
Speaker 4: I said, he broke us off like five thousand for that.
Speaker 1: Then he came back the second time.
Speaker 4: I did a song with Laviti and them on the
Speaker 4: second one, and he gave us like seven thousand for that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he let me release it as a singer.
Speaker 4: The song actually did good in Canada and everywhere we
Speaker 4: would release it as a single over there. Master P
Speaker 4: helped me with that. He gave me clearance and everything,
Speaker 4: like he was cool man. You know, I ain't really
Speaker 4: got no complaints about Pete. You know he handed his ben.
Speaker 4: He was like, you can't do them, but pe respect.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, you can't do them, but
Speaker 4: respect this hussle man. When what he did it? What
Speaker 4: was the record that made everybody go crazy? I already
Speaker 4: know what it is, But what was the record that
Speaker 4: Don't give no Bama weed Bama weed?
Speaker 1: Nigga? Man? That was the one that put us on
Speaker 1: the map.
Speaker 4: Even when we had the demo because it was first
Speaker 4: called Don't give Me No Bamba Joint, we don't smoke
Speaker 4: that ship and Hunter's point.
Speaker 1: This was before mster C was on it. It was
Speaker 1: pretty much I was working on a solo.
Speaker 4: Album and I had don't give Me No bamor joint
Speaker 4: and uh, one of my boys who was from Filmo
Speaker 4: who stayed in our projects, Uh, he was just like
Speaker 4: my boy Lioney Green used.
Speaker 1: To strug with this strutting crew called Demons of the Mind.
Speaker 4: He was like, bro, you need to switch it up
Speaker 4: and bring the whole city, get the whole city involved.
Speaker 4: And he was like, right now, you're just gonna kind
Speaker 4: of like segregate yourself and you're gonna you don't want
Speaker 4: to just be kind of like just only having Hunter's
Speaker 4: points playing the song.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad I ended up listening to him and
Speaker 1: I ended up switching it.
Speaker 4: No Bamba Weed, we don't smoke it in the sf
Speaker 4: C and THEGA, the whole city got behind it.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker took off like wildfire, like wildfire.
Speaker 4: And later on a lesson to learned, you know what,
Speaker 4: the old Sugar Hill Gang beat that took off. You know,
Speaker 4: that was kind of like our second hit, you know,
Speaker 4: but uh yeah, Bamaweed hands down, hands down. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was our number one hit to put us on the map.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. So you got all this going on
Speaker 2: during this time, Piod, You still need deep in the streets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for surely. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was going to get them checks and going back
Speaker 4: straight back to the block and my brother the money
Speaker 4: we going. We was going down there doing the break
Speaker 4: me downs. We was down there. We was doing our thing,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I wasn't even I wasn't
Speaker 4: even taking music serious until I went on my first
Speaker 4: couple of shows. Once I start seeing the world was
Speaker 4: bigger than the neighborhood, I start going to Detroit, Detroit started,
Speaker 4: we got getting booked at Pontiac Land, sing like Michigan,
Speaker 4: like like fucked with It's heavy, And then we started
Speaker 4: going to Kansas City, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Seattle and Portland, and now all of the sudden we
Speaker 4: start going down to Phoenix and all that. Then I
Speaker 4: started it was like I was being I was gone
Speaker 4: a lot, and them checks was coming in. We started
Speaker 4: going from three thousand to show four thousand, seven thousand,
Speaker 4: We start.
Speaker 1: Eating off that.
Speaker 4: We was like from ninety two all the way to
Speaker 4: ninety four, Like we weren't even thinking about a new
Speaker 4: album because we was running around for like two years
Speaker 4: off that album, really eating off of it, you know.
Speaker 4: And then once we start going in to work on
Speaker 4: that second album in ninety four, that's when we we
Speaker 4: really zeroed in on working on Ruthless by Law, you
Speaker 4: know none. And even then some shit happened. We got
Speaker 4: called for some rape shit. Some young dudes is in
Speaker 4: my studio, brought some little girls up in there side
Speaker 4: of mids and you know, did all types of shit
Speaker 4: to them, and they was using me and my brother name.
Speaker 4: So we sat down for like eight months in the
Speaker 4: county and se that kind of caused problem in my
Speaker 4: neighborhood because the girls was like fourteen year old, fourteen
Speaker 4: years old. The youngsters they was young too, but they
Speaker 4: used our name and we was you know, eighteen nineteen
Speaker 4: years old. So yeah, me and my brother we had
Speaker 4: like sixty five council rape kid. Now side of me, yep,
Speaker 4: side of me.
Speaker 1: You never asked.
Speaker 2: The girls didn't do it, you know what. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a rate kit back then. I don't think.
Speaker 1: And see us.
Speaker 4: You know, my brother found him, you know, shot out
Speaker 4: my brother, Toto man. He went out there, and uh
Speaker 4: we lucked up man, By the grace of guys. She
Speaker 4: ended up in a group home in Oakland. You know
Speaker 4: this was like maybe, like, like I said, seven eight
Speaker 4: months in she ended up at a group home in Oakland,
Speaker 4: and it's just so happened to be one of my
Speaker 4: friends from the neighborhood mom's house. And he was like, bro,
Speaker 4: you know the girl that said that she was talking
Speaker 4: to my mom and said that that RBO had raped
Speaker 4: her and this and that, and yeah, she had my
Speaker 4: mama house. She's in there for foster She there for
Speaker 4: temporary like foster care or whatever until she could find
Speaker 4: the placement.
Speaker 1: I'm like what You're like, Yeah, she was in there.
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, then let's total to let
Speaker 4: my brother come out there, man and holler at her
Speaker 4: and let her know, you know, we ain't the ones
Speaker 4: that did it and this and that, so he wouldn't
Speaker 4: seen her, and she agreed to come see it them
Speaker 4: and she came up there. She walked in the business room,
Speaker 4: was like, now y'all, wasn't there, wasn't y'all And we
Speaker 4: actually beggared, like, man, could you come to court? We
Speaker 4: go to court tuesday. Can you come in talked to
Speaker 4: her lord. She was like, yeah, hell, y'all come, it
Speaker 4: wasn't y'all. She's like, it was some other dudes, some
Speaker 4: younger dudes. She was like, you black Si. I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I'm black Sea. It's my brother Dre right here. Like
Speaker 4: they She was like, nah, I wasn't young. And they
Speaker 4: let us out they could use y'all names, said there
Speaker 4: was y'all, you know, because it was all in the
Speaker 4: name and it was my young homies. But they was
Speaker 4: trying to trick, you know, they had I was written
Speaker 4: from uh this Dolphine. I was wrinting the room out
Speaker 4: where I kept my studio at so the youngster that
Speaker 4: stayed there, his homies. They was coming in showing it
Speaker 4: because I got all the posters on the wall and
Speaker 4: all that, you know, a lot of rap memorabilia. So
Speaker 4: they had brain girls up in there because we was
Speaker 4: popping at the time, so a lot of females was
Speaker 4: coming up to the neighborhood to try to come look forwards,
Speaker 4: meet us or whatever, you know, because back then when
Speaker 4: you came out with a cassette, you was like you
Speaker 4: was a celebrity because it was like then it wasn't
Speaker 4: as easy as it was now.
Speaker 1: So people was coming up, riding through, they try to
Speaker 1: come see us.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they manipulated the girls into come seeing the
Speaker 4: studio and they start turning off the lights and doing
Speaker 4: all types of ship to him, and yeah, we got up,
Speaker 4: got caught up.
Speaker 2: You see how crazy it is, how easy it was
Speaker 2: eight to just get caught up. They didn't even know
Speaker 2: how these niggas looked. And if they didn't bring the
Speaker 2: line up or nothing. They even put the girl in
Speaker 2: the lineup to say.
Speaker 3: These dudes that did it, they ain't give a fun
Speaker 3: as long as it was niggas. Man, fuck it, she
Speaker 3: was a miner, you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 3: care about none of that. Ain't no need of investigating.
Speaker 3: That's them. That's it.
Speaker 1: Nigga ship.
Speaker 2: Y'all the city. Uh, y'all didn't see the city? You said,
Speaker 2: Oh no, we didn't suit knock with.
Speaker 4: What they did was they just dropped it to where
Speaker 4: they had still had three years of foule. So they
Speaker 4: did some weird ship to where because one of the
Speaker 4: dudes that was that was one of our co defendants.
Speaker 4: He was there, you know, So when they dropped it
Speaker 4: on us. They had to drop it on him, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But I always had that ace
Speaker 4: in the hole. I always told him because me and
Speaker 4: him was like we was on the seventh floor together,
Speaker 4: and I was like, Nigga, you already know, bro, before
Speaker 4: this ship go too far. Nigga, you gonna have to
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell on yourself. You're gonna let us. You're
Speaker 4: gonna let the motherfuckers know that. I wasn't there and
Speaker 4: he was in that scared of you, all right, bro,
Speaker 4: you know I'll tell him. You know, he had his
Speaker 4: mom and all them like, nah, you better keep your
Speaker 4: mouth shut. You don't say shit. But I was in there, like, Nigga,
Speaker 4: You're gonna let them motherfuckers know, Nigga that it was yeah,
Speaker 4: you damn right.
Speaker 1: Because he was the only older dude that was with him.
Speaker 4: It was another rapper's name was Sugar Beer, who was
Speaker 4: under in the neighborhood and.
Speaker 1: He was of age.
Speaker 4: He was like eighteen, and all the other ones it
Speaker 4: was his brother and all them, they was all youngsters.
Speaker 4: They was all like fifteen, sixteen years old, you know, seventeen.
Speaker 1: Who I was part of it? So who all gang
Speaker 1: raped a little too chicks.
Speaker 4: So but uh yeah, nah, man, if we went in there,
Speaker 4: if that she would have never landed at my brother
Speaker 4: at my uh at my partner's house, man at his
Speaker 4: mom house in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably still be gone.
Speaker 4: That second album probably would have never seen a lot
Speaker 4: of day for sure.
Speaker 2: Working mysterious waves, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's separated the block and we got out. Man.
Speaker 1: We whipped them nigga's asses that man.
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers told their ass up and that kind of split
Speaker 4: the block up, and from there it just became a
Speaker 4: little bit of the hell of shit started happening up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about your pops real quick, man,
Speaker 2: because one of the stories I really liked with the
Speaker 2: dynamic that your moms and your pop said, because your
Speaker 2: moms understood the importance of keeping you know, even though
Speaker 2: she wasn't messing with y'all pops no more, she understood
Speaker 2: the importance that y'all have y'all father around y'all, And
Speaker 2: it seemed like for the most part that worked out
Speaker 2: for y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was a real disciplinarian, like he come
Speaker 4: through and kick her ass with this. Even though they
Speaker 4: went together. She called, hey, you know, I need school
Speaker 4: closer than I need this for them. He coming through.
Speaker 4: You know when the little wire sorry little Ninjas came
Speaker 4: out and I wanted one hella back. He always came through,
Speaker 4: gave us money, took care of us always.
Speaker 1: Even it was cool with my mom's boyfriend.
Speaker 4: They come through, play dominoes, all the shit, and then
Speaker 4: she got a problem. I'm in there fucking up. Like
Speaker 4: when I first started selling dope. He called him up.
Speaker 4: He coming through and put it down on us. You
Speaker 4: know he was coming to Yeah, he made show. You know,
Speaker 4: he was a real player. It's like seventeen of us,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like even though he had
Speaker 4: a bunch of kids, he made sure we all knew
Speaker 4: each other. Like used to be like, come on, come
Speaker 4: get in the car and to take you out here,
Speaker 4: gonna visit y'all sisters, because I don't want y'all up
Speaker 4: here in these projects fucking on your siblings and shit.
Speaker 4: So he made show We knew all our brothers and sisters,
Speaker 4: from the oldest.
Speaker 1: Down to the youngest. We all was close, tight knit.
Speaker 4: And there was seventeen of us, and it was like
Speaker 4: fire baby mamas, and we always close. We all knew
Speaker 4: each other. You know, it's real tight. Posps was a
Speaker 4: real player, real player. Everybody thought he was a pimp
Speaker 4: because he was El Dorado, Diamond in the back, some
Speaker 4: roof topped, the whole nine.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: He dressed like a pimp, you know, all the little
Speaker 4: snake skin shoes and you know, all the little suits
Speaker 4: and everything.
Speaker 1: But he was more like a player. You know.
Speaker 4: He sold quarter te's and eight balls and shit. He
Speaker 4: was making more like the dealing. The gambler. He kept
Speaker 4: a bag of bits in the Cadillac, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So he was more of a gambler. And
Speaker 4: uh uh he sold like volumes and ship back then,
Speaker 4: that's when volumes and ship you know was out. Motherfucker
Speaker 4: was uppers and downers and all that shit. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what he did, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you coming from San Francisco, man, how big
Speaker 2: of an influence was the pimp game to you?
Speaker 1: Very big?
Speaker 4: That's what was outside out there, Like I said, you know,
Speaker 4: in La you go outside, it was game bangs and
Speaker 4: out it was just mainly pimps and hustlers.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: They was either selling hair un and coke you know,
Speaker 4: and pills, you know, like I said, volumes or whatever
Speaker 4: little quelus or whatever it may be. And then they
Speaker 4: was it was pimps.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: You know, a bunch of pimps around there.
Speaker 2: You know, this seemed like with the rap game up there,
Speaker 2: all the rapers. San Francisco got his own little rap scene.
Speaker 2: Y'all got a pretty big community, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, real big. You know, especially like all of us.
Speaker 4: It's really like that macing and you know, like everybody
Speaker 4: here more got that that that swag, that more of
Speaker 4: that macing and that slick talking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's why it's more like everybody like it's more city slickers.
Speaker 4: That's kind of like where that thing comes that term
Speaker 4: comes from. You know, everybody like slick with the tongue.
Speaker 4: They you know, they'd be really popping it out here.
Speaker 1: You know. I really was involved in a lot of that.
Speaker 4: You know, even though my brothers and a lot of
Speaker 4: my my older brothers and a lot of them was
Speaker 4: around at and all that, but I was mainly my
Speaker 4: family was more drug dealers than they was pimps. A
Speaker 4: lot of the pimps, majority of them was from phil Mo,
Speaker 4: you know that that side.
Speaker 1: We're folk A JT.
Speaker 4: And a lot of them from They was predominantly you know,
Speaker 4: pimps and.
Speaker 1: And stuff over on that side.
Speaker 2: That PM games started getting. They started charging them boys
Speaker 2: like they were charging the d boys. Yeah, they was
Speaker 2: was they was man, you get some time, man, you
Speaker 2: get some real time. And when they threw that human
Speaker 2: trafficking like enhancement up there, dog, it was really a rap.
Speaker 1: That's what did it than human trafficking man and washed
Speaker 1: it up. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: One of them If you a nigga, you get caught
Speaker 2: one of them little white girls, man, they stretch, they
Speaker 2: gonna give you all day real talk. It's like a
Speaker 2: white girl, you're gonna get the charges tripled and double yep,
Speaker 2: yuh real talk white girls. So so y'all had, y'all had?
Speaker 2: Fort Forte was the one that really blew the city
Speaker 2: open first.
Speaker 1: The one that was like he like, are what too
Speaker 1: short is to Oakland?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Was the was the main dog.
Speaker 4: You consider him like that gy father. Yeah, definitely mean
Speaker 4: he was like, oh coo short men to Oakland. That's
Speaker 4: what foe ta meant to us? Because I was with
Speaker 4: you know, he was he stayed in my projects. His
Speaker 4: his Mama stayed over there and Foth had the best
Speaker 4: of both words because even when we was funking with
Speaker 4: Philo was able to bounce back and forth because back
Speaker 4: when they had the Solar system, when he was doing
Speaker 4: he was with the dude Nate rock Box. They had
Speaker 4: a song called Hubbles Out like Folks. That's when Folk
Speaker 4: got known. He used to the rock all the little
Speaker 4: house parties. And when he landed that little track that
Speaker 4: Don't Fight the filing with too Short.
Speaker 1: It just shot him up. Everybody fell in love.
Speaker 4: We already was in love with him, but that just
Speaker 4: it just made him just like a superstar.
Speaker 1: And uh, man, that's like my brother from another mother. Man,
Speaker 1: I like, that's my boy.
Speaker 4: Like he used to be at my house all the
Speaker 4: time when he was going through his drug addiction.
Speaker 1: He came to mind.
Speaker 4: My mom always fed Hi when he used to be
Speaker 4: through my projects. And even when he went to jail
Speaker 4: and got out. I'm the one kind of like nurtured
Speaker 4: that whole relationship with him, with Gary and Guy and
Speaker 4: they brother Frankie J who on Rag Top Records. I'm
Speaker 4: the one told them to get him, Like, man, y'all
Speaker 4: need to get Folk, pull him get him in there, man,
Speaker 4: get him in the studio. Our album was was mixing
Speaker 4: and mastering on the way to come out, about to
Speaker 4: blow up, and our knew Foe.
Speaker 1: Was gonna come to me about the music.
Speaker 4: You know, I was kind of already dabbling with a
Speaker 4: few tracks, trying to put some stuff together for him,
Speaker 4: and I put in a fly here and fly when
Speaker 4: he got his brother, older brother, Frankie J who ended
Speaker 4: up snatching Foe up.
Speaker 1: He snatched him up and took him in.
Speaker 4: I said, man, as soon as he get out, but
Speaker 4: you know heard it getting out in a day or two,
Speaker 4: y'all need to grab him up before even hit the
Speaker 4: streets and start sucking up again. And that's what they did.
Speaker 4: And uh, man, you know he didn't look back ever since.
Speaker 4: He stayed off the dope. And and to this day,
Speaker 4: that's my guy. Just did some stuff for his documentary
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, so you know, he going
Speaker 4: through a little health thing right now.
Speaker 1: But man, that's my brother from another Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. That that's why
Speaker 2: me and they got to grab him on here, man,
Speaker 2: because the one thing about it, man, we got to
Speaker 2: appreciate our legends from the coast. Man, It's like it
Speaker 2: ain't just La, but our legends from the Bay l A,
Speaker 2: whether they up in Seattle or whatever like that, we
Speaker 2: got the whole down man, the reason a reason not.
Speaker 1: To you know, that's true, that's real, man, But that's
Speaker 1: my guy man. I really yeah.
Speaker 4: He Like back then it was really like just foute
Speaker 4: and then you had cool nothing then with I m
Speaker 4: p uh ill Manosi. You had a dude that he
Speaker 4: William C who was from phil Mo, who had a
Speaker 4: song called Keeper Bitch Broke that that that he was
Speaker 4: like one of the one of the dudes, and that
Speaker 4: was pretty much really like the top dudes in Frisco.
Speaker 4: It wasn't nobody else until we kind of like dropped
Speaker 4: and we was coming up off of the cusp of
Speaker 4: listening to you know, I was like I was heavily
Speaker 4: influenced by you know, dub Ce and the Mass Circle
Speaker 4: of course.
Speaker 1: Uh CMW eight and them.
Speaker 4: I got videos a week imitating them, imitating w C
Speaker 4: in the Fast Circle. Like I got a bunch of
Speaker 4: footage because I was one of the first dudes in
Speaker 4: the projects that owned the camera. When the video eights
Speaker 4: came out and I'm out here in my bronco you know,
Speaker 4: wrapping all that stuff. And it went from there to
Speaker 4: four one five coming out Richie riching him in Oakland.
Speaker 4: That's kind of where I got my styff from. Like
Speaker 4: n w A, s CMW and four one five in them,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And that's kind of like
Speaker 4: what RBO was, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So yep, yeah, so so so l A had a
Speaker 2: real big influence on the back then.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, heavy, yeah, heavy, especially with us in our projects.
Speaker 4: They had a heavy, heavy influence. You know, that's all
Speaker 4: we was playing. You know, we was happy because back
Speaker 4: before that we was bunching a bunk. We was bumping
Speaker 4: a bunch of like Big Daddy Kanes and who else
Speaker 4: was playing a bunch of East Coast It was a
Speaker 4: lot of East Coast stuff that.
Speaker 2: Was everybody was. It wasn't nothing else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, steady beads before I let go, Like we was
Speaker 4: playing a bunch of that, you know, mc Shoty and
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But then n w A was like a brother of
Speaker 4: fresh Air. It was like you know, of course then
Speaker 4: it was like the ghetto boys, n w A. All
Speaker 4: that was like what was getting played in the city
Speaker 4: all day every day, and plus everything and banks and
Speaker 4: them start dealing with mc pooling, them start coming out
Speaker 4: with fucking with dank, you have spice and them start hitting, uh,
Speaker 4: Like I said, the four one five, and then Richie,
Speaker 4: Richie and them started hit coming out and we just
Speaker 4: was playing all that iced tea. Of course, we was
Speaker 4: playing ice everything, ice tea, all the six and them
Speaker 4: and all that. So it was you know, we were
Speaker 4: we was heavy the West Coast and anything from the
Speaker 4: West King that's all it was being bumped in our
Speaker 4: projects barely was bumping the East Coast after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy because every region started getting their own rappers,
Speaker 2: like l A had their own ones like the one
Speaker 2: dudes that don't never get props. Like I remember when
Speaker 2: I first came to California, tidy t. You heard a
Speaker 2: battering ram on the radio every day. You heard like
Speaker 2: not cocaine, just living heads, Spade them get ready to rock?
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: What you go do when you get out the jail?
Speaker 2: Them going to get it.
Speaker 3: Ball counter Posse record, you know cool King Tea, a
Speaker 3: lot of King tea and yeah, yeah, the Act Food
Speaker 3: record Uh, that was like my that was like my
Speaker 3: foundation for when the first ship got cracking. We we
Speaker 3: we had a lot of East Coast ship to listen to,
Speaker 3: so we didn't have no representation of who we truly were. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Le's coach Niggas you feel Me. Niggas symbolized us really
Speaker 3: down in La Comps and whatever nigga symbolizes us from
Speaker 3: the Colors movie You feel Me. We really wasn't significant
Speaker 3: as far as the rap scene. And then, like you said,
Speaker 3: easy and time, Todd came along with the Battle round
Speaker 3: and kind of opened the door for motherfuckers to go,
Speaker 3: you know something, maybe we could try something else. You know.
Speaker 3: Even though you know, Niggas had their mixtapes out the
Speaker 3: trunk in the neighborhood and Todd had the battle around,
Speaker 3: we still had the presence of a lot of electronic
Speaker 3: you know music and a lot of influence, influence all that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that, all that other Like me and the homie
Speaker 3: Rich was talking about it today, like we had a
Speaker 3: lot of that it's time and radioactive your music, you know,
Speaker 3: it was all that Egyptian lever type. Yeah, when the
Speaker 3: beat goes on and ship like that. You know, that
Speaker 3: was All World Team broke through and made it to
Speaker 3: where niggas felt like, you know something, I ain't got
Speaker 3: a rap like them on the East Coast or do that.
Speaker 3: I could talk about what happened in the projects last night,
Speaker 3: you know, I could talk about.
Speaker 1: Me trying to go hook up with a bitch or
Speaker 1: some ship.
Speaker 3: About me and the homies was on our way to
Speaker 3: the spot and got jacked by the police and ship
Speaker 3: so made us feel like, Okay, well we can do that.
Speaker 1: Ship. You feel me, so open up.
Speaker 2: You and they. He has work before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was on the ninety seven album. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: on the n one I album. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 4: must I had. I was trying to get him. Gotta
Speaker 4: get mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get my man. Yeah yeah, I was
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: I think Teyla was on Man.
Speaker 1: Tela YEAHQ on the hook. Uh yeah man, that motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker was dope as hell. Man.
Speaker 4: That was a dream come true because him, like I
Speaker 4: said him cube and uh and uh fucking scarface.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Then was like man, I was like, I fucked with
Speaker 3: the younger niggas up in the bay around that time.
Speaker 3: My niggas was ship all. I was up there fucking
Speaker 3: with spice all the time. Yeah, that was my nigga.
Speaker 3: So I was up there for a pool, man. I
Speaker 3: just with a lot of niggas up there, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and made it easy work. Nigga went on no Hollywood
Speaker 3: ship and none of that ship. Nigga ship out a Sap.
Speaker 3: That's what I loved about it.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, because you you hate to run
Speaker 4: into motherfucker who you look up to, you respect it
Speaker 4: and they be acting like a bitch and just be.
Speaker 1: Acting funny, and you'd be like, damn, man, this nigga.
Speaker 1: I thought this nigga was like this, and like you
Speaker 1: know what, man, Man, he made that ship happen. Man,
Speaker 1: A sap too.
Speaker 2: Ain't always been. He'd always been real down to earth,
Speaker 2: even when we even before we start doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: I would see I remember my song Bailing through the
Speaker 2: Lake with marg is real regular. He was just up
Speaker 2: there right foot like is bailing exactly.
Speaker 3: Man. It's had the perception if you didn't alienate yourself
Speaker 3: and you just you know, nigga, nigga ship, I'm just
Speaker 3: thinking ship. Yeah, yeah, listen to a regular motherfucker man,
Speaker 3: and that whatever you did, Nigga, I did the same
Speaker 3: motherfucking game. You feel me step always took.
Speaker 1: I felt like a man. I don't know, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I could have.
Speaker 3: You know, I could have been a nigga that went
Speaker 3: out and said, fuck it, I'm gonna pay five niggas
Speaker 3: to be security, and then you know, I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: some shit like go to the foot locker and take
Speaker 3: five security guards. Maybe I think if you cause that
Speaker 3: presence for yourself, then you asking for what you expect
Speaker 3: to expect. If I'm a nigga pulling up parking in
Speaker 3: a parking spot by myself getting out, and I'm not
Speaker 3: bringing attention to myself because I'm I'm basically finna do
Speaker 3: like the other thousand cars that's up here right here,
Speaker 3: go to foot locker, probably buy me a pair of shoes,
Speaker 3: and then get back in my car and going by
Speaker 3: my business. That doesn't that that to me, that doesn't
Speaker 3: warrant attention, Like Okay, yeah, I got a video out
Speaker 3: and I got a platinum record out, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pull up you know what I'm saying
Speaker 3: right here in in my in my three hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars car jumping out with my two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 3: chain on, and and now it's like people are like, well,
Speaker 3: who the fuck is that? You know, so market and
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a parking space. Motherfucker's gonna be like, well,
Speaker 3: who the fuck is that? Then I get out, Then
Speaker 3: there's five niggas around my car, and then now we
Speaker 3: all I'm bringing attention has to be like, let me
Speaker 3: just run in here by myself real quick, grab this
Speaker 3: ship and get the fuck out. Attention that I was
Speaker 3: never a seeker of attention, And you know, that's hard
Speaker 3: to That's hard to be when you're in the position of,
Speaker 3: you know, even how we are now you get me,
Speaker 3: we hit. We still have some sort of celebrity and
Speaker 3: success to our our lifestyle. But you know, like today
Speaker 3: when I go to the gas stage there, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to be normal, you know, that grocery store. You know,
Speaker 3: I try to be normal. Is there some people who
Speaker 3: are gonna recognize and be like, hey, that's but I
Speaker 3: still like, hey, how you doing, and then go about
Speaker 3: my business.
Speaker 1: It's normal.
Speaker 3: Uh So, I don't I think if you're you know,
Speaker 3: if you're not a seeker of attention, you can you
Speaker 3: can somewhat try to live a normal lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want, you know. And then there's another
Speaker 1: thing too.
Speaker 3: You can't be an arrogant asshole to where you know
Speaker 3: everybody on the block or in the building wants to
Speaker 3: put hands on you.
Speaker 1: Now you have to stay protected and put yourself in
Speaker 1: that sitution.
Speaker 2: You know what The biggest thing is though, Bro, you
Speaker 2: gotta always be aware where you at right either be
Speaker 2: a where your surroundings. And it's like I tell people, man,
Speaker 2: in reality, you should be able to wear whatever you
Speaker 2: want to around anybody, but that just seems the case.
Speaker 2: You can't go dangling steaks around pit bulls and not
Speaker 2: expect to get done.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying as to saying that I
Speaker 3: ain't got five or six niggas jumping out, but that
Speaker 3: ain't saying I ain't got a motherfucking you know, forty
Speaker 3: five under my motherfucker's seat, or or play somewhere in
Speaker 3: my exact I'm I'm not a seeker of attention, but
Speaker 3: then I'm not a motherfucking naive motherfucker to the situations
Speaker 3: niggas to go through in your position, You feel me
Speaker 3: just because I got to advance myself on the mind
Speaker 3: state of I'm a normal nigga. I still know what
Speaker 3: the other motherfucking nigga who's the greedy hate for mine stated,
Speaker 3: nigga might be thinking, So you know, there's not five
Speaker 3: six security niggas hanging around. Don't mean it ain't a
Speaker 3: full fifth fully loaded sitting somewhere too, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got your surroundings at all times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always, So you and Forte's relationship, right, You mentioned
Speaker 2: that Foe had so fourth had a drug problem before,
Speaker 2: not to getting his business like that, but he had
Speaker 2: that before his career even launched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, before it even launched.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was you know, he used to be rapping
Speaker 4: and kind of like in and out of the penitentiary,
Speaker 4: you know, doing this thing. He went through his struggles
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and uh he bounced back once he got
Speaker 4: with Frankie J and he would never know looking.
Speaker 1: Back, he never touched drugs again, went through it. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. Folk got a story.
Speaker 4: I was telling him, like, bro, you want to dock
Speaker 4: and said you need to do a book because fol
Speaker 4: Fall been around, He's been through some ship as far
Speaker 4: as just just just just life. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: not necessarily gang banging and the drugs flanging, but just
Speaker 4: being being being around in the early eighties, just out
Speaker 4: there when motherfuckers is all going to them parties at
Speaker 4: the Solar System, when the Hunters, when Frisco was all
Speaker 4: one just getting just mentioning, mingling with the Oakland cats
Speaker 4: over there, dealing with Short and all them, and just
Speaker 4: his drug problem in and out the penitentiary and they're like,
Speaker 4: folk really got a little story man.
Speaker 2: And I told him, like, bro, you need to he
Speaker 2: got it. I can't wait to talk to him. I
Speaker 2: definitely can't wait to sit down with him. And not
Speaker 2: to keep you know, bringing them up, but I think that,
Speaker 2: like I admire spots like seeing friends and Compton and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, because at the time when y'all came out,
Speaker 2: y'all was sitting the president kind it wasn't nobody before.
Speaker 1: Y'all, not at all.
Speaker 4: Nobody at all, not nobody was that we act Like
Speaker 4: I said, we didn't really look up to nobody except
Speaker 4: the dudes in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Oakland was like the Mecca Bear area.
Speaker 4: You know, everybody know that Oaklands like and Banks and
Speaker 4: all them like they they had the scene going on
Speaker 4: besides La.
Speaker 1: It was La first.
Speaker 4: That was like the mecca when it just came to
Speaker 4: cut La. Whatever was popping in La, that's what we're playing.
Speaker 4: That's what we owned. Then once Oakland start really thriving
Speaker 4: after two Short because we watched Short come up.
Speaker 1: Short was coming through six seven months.
Speaker 4: Stang, I'm seeing him come dealing with my dudes at
Speaker 4: Booboo with them who was dealing with James Beasley, you
Speaker 4: know who just got out some years ago. You know,
Speaker 4: he just dropped his book too. You know, James moving uh,
Speaker 4: you know, moving, moving them things, doing his thing, and
Speaker 4: he messed with a lot of the dudes, little d
Speaker 4: and them from Oakland and that kind of like let
Speaker 4: Short come over there, and Short was protected. You didn't
Speaker 4: have to worry about nothing. Everybody loved Short. He came
Speaker 4: through selling his little cassettes five dollars a cassette. You know,
Speaker 4: we watched him doing all the freaky tails air and
Speaker 4: all that. You know, I'm a young nigga out there
Speaker 4: seeing Short come through, Passenger see coming through, hanging out
Speaker 4: with boobooing them in the astral vans and all that.
Speaker 4: Like I watched all that, witnessed it out the trunk
Speaker 4: and coming to every project too. Shortening was coming through,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it was just one of those things were
Speaker 4: just like damn, you know. It wasn't nobody else but
Speaker 4: Shortened and all of a sudden and Banks just created
Speaker 4: was creating a culture pretty much when he started dealing
Speaker 4: with him Se Pool, Spice and all them dangerous dame
Speaker 4: and a lot of them dudes was coming out.
Speaker 1: It started happening. You know.
Speaker 2: So where's Poof? Where's Pootman from Poof? From San Francisco?
Speaker 1: Now from East Oakland, from Oakland, from Oakland, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: straight up Oakland.
Speaker 2: If I can get all the I think I knew
Speaker 2: all the San Francisco rappers. Let me see if I
Speaker 2: get it right, rb L Posse wrapping four tem The
Speaker 2: bigger figure.
Speaker 1: MH.
Speaker 2: I want to say is Messy mar from San Francisco.
Speaker 2: From San Francisco, u E the m C. Yeah it's
Speaker 2: somebody else. I'm forgetting them.
Speaker 1: From the lake View area, miss.
Speaker 2: You know what, I always thought cool enough for some reason,
Speaker 2: what's Oregon? I don't know why he from me?
Speaker 1: From lake View? You know they uh lake viewers with
Speaker 1: sales Ki.
Speaker 4: They had a few rappers over there nobody that blew
Speaker 4: up his biggest uh like I m p cooglaner Cooglan.
Speaker 4: I had his solo thing that's cooler. And then he
Speaker 4: was part of the im ill manor Posse his crew.
Speaker 4: They dropped around eighty nine ninety. They dropped when I
Speaker 4: was in I was in Long Cabin Ranch.
Speaker 2: You know, let me see because that's my thing.
Speaker 1: That except that I'm rolling in scanless and that came
Speaker 1: out of eighty nine. That was they were slapping. He
Speaker 1: was doing his thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, came out around eighty nine, eighty nine and ninety.
Speaker 4: That's when he made his debut. Eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen eighty nine eighty that was a year after
Speaker 2: you just that was a year after you just dropped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I dropped, Yeah, Yeah, I was bumping eight ship
Speaker 4: was it before I went to the ranch we was
Speaker 4: playing I made that video. I think it was before
Speaker 4: it was like eighty eight is eighty eight eighty nine
Speaker 4: is then we got out.
Speaker 1: Once I got out, that's when I started dabbling with
Speaker 1: the music. Late eighty nine going into the ninety that's
Speaker 1: when we started.
Speaker 4: We got in the game and we were just mainly
Speaker 4: doing what too Short that was doing, selling in our projects,
Speaker 4: and we decided to dude named CTG played us the
Speaker 4: Greatest stole one of my beats, and he put it
Speaker 4: out on actual cassette. And once he did that, I
Speaker 4: was just I got to go to the studio because
Speaker 4: I'd probably been just selling cassettes in the neighborhood cause
Speaker 4: were just getting a lot of money just selling.
Speaker 1: And find out the cassettes around there with it.
Speaker 2: It was like I heard they was getting paid up
Speaker 2: there back in the day. Man, somebody told me they
Speaker 2: was up there was making real money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because we was killing him. People were
Speaker 1: coming through all day. Man.
Speaker 4: There was a dude named Axing Jack who kind of
Speaker 4: put us on. He was from Sunnydale. He kind of
Speaker 4: put us on to a lot of the new stuff,
Speaker 4: like with EP EPM D and all of them came
Speaker 4: out with You're a Customer all that. He was one
Speaker 4: of the first ones playing all that, you know with
Speaker 4: uh it Takes two with mc shy d and all like.
Speaker 4: He did that kind of put us on to whatever
Speaker 4: was hitting in the East Coast, whatever was hitting down
Speaker 4: in southern California.
Speaker 1: He was the first.
Speaker 4: He was uh and he's still around right now, still
Speaker 4: doing DJ, but Action Jack was the guy. He one
Speaker 4: that he knew all the hits and educated us and
Speaker 4: put us on to it. Even when four and five
Speaker 4: came out with the groupy ass Bitch using that motherfucking
Speaker 4: Commodore's brick house beat, it was like he came to mixtape.
Speaker 1: He was doing this thing. So yeah, that was our
Speaker 1: little introduction to a line.
Speaker 2: The niggas got some cold tables. Man busted bits down.
Speaker 2: A boy a female don't get no love on the
Speaker 2: West Coast. I was telling you know what I was
Speaker 2: telling at home, Yes, said, I think that's why the
Speaker 2: West ain't never really had no big, huge female rapper.
Speaker 2: You know, we frids, but you know we ain't never
Speaker 2: had nobody that blew up on a level like a
Speaker 2: like a Nicki Mina Sha or or Cardi Bat. You
Speaker 2: feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: At all at all? I think we yo yo back
Speaker 1: in the days or something whose.
Speaker 2: Gi yo yo. But she was it because you gotta
Speaker 2: think about this. Back in the day, it was a
Speaker 2: bitch is a bitch. Bitches ain't ship for holes and
Speaker 2: tricks all y'all ship all y'all, biggest man have broad
Speaker 2: ain't got a.
Speaker 1: Chance out there, you got a chance. But we was
Speaker 1: so crazy.
Speaker 4: We was actually bumping like mc light in the hood though,
Speaker 4: all that little fucking chi and Georgie Porgy, whatever that
Speaker 4: ship was, We was actually playing that ship though. Back
Speaker 4: in the days in the hood, she got some play out.
Speaker 4: She was about probably the only one they probably got
Speaker 4: some play in in the neighborhood from the dudes. Nobody
Speaker 4: else got no play and no ride, no female until
Speaker 4: it later on, once you got with like Sea Bowl
Speaker 4: and then Marvelous, and then they was more thugging it.
Speaker 1: Once they start thugging it, then the motherfuckers start playing.
Speaker 2: Was harder than the motherfucker Marvilus was some ship. I
Speaker 2: ain't heard her name in a long time.
Speaker 1: For niggas even want to play that ship. Niggas ain't
Speaker 1: rolling around playing no female. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You gotta be hard. I think, Yeah, you gotta be
Speaker 2: on some ship.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: We appreciate this man sitting down with his dog. We
Speaker 2: gotta definitely do this in person. This ain't gonna be
Speaker 2: here last time here either, man, because we got a
Speaker 2: lot more to talk about. It's like I be enough
Speaker 2: time that I will be going by so fucking fast Man, Sir, sir, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Man, So what you got going on now? Bro?
Speaker 4: Man just shows you know, like I said, I gotta EP.
Speaker 4: I'm Finnah drop with this DJ DJ Idea up here.
Speaker 4: He'll be doing a lot of mob sound music. When
Speaker 4: I got this othernother EP. I'm Finnah dropping probably around
Speaker 4: like May with this dude DJ DJ Folly Foley.
Speaker 1: You do a lot of my nephew, my boy Larry June.
Speaker 1: You know, he blowing up out here.
Speaker 4: So Larry June Producers, I got something going on with
Speaker 4: him because Larry kind of like the one that kind
Speaker 4: of got me back in the game because I ain't
Speaker 4: gonnallow semi retired just doing like cannabis collaboration deals and
Speaker 4: just doing licensing deals and just kind of eating out
Speaker 4: of that and I wasn't off the rap ship. And
Speaker 4: then Larry kind of like he started blowing the fuck up.
Speaker 4: You know, that's my one of my best friend son,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So he brought me, got
Speaker 4: me in the studio to do a song with him,
Speaker 4: and then all the little younger generations start going back
Speaker 4: doing research and start seeing like, oh, like man, Larry
Speaker 4: sounds similar to y'all on your first album, and he
Speaker 4: kind of flipped the style with a little bit of
Speaker 4: Mac Dre and his own little twists, and man, he
Speaker 4: like that dude right now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So he brought me back in the game. I start
Speaker 4: putting out stuffs and numbers, start streaming doing good. He
Speaker 4: started getting me on a couple of his tours. So
Speaker 4: now I've been back at it now. It's like, man,
Speaker 4: I got big with that bug. So yeah, we've got
Speaker 4: shows coming up. We're gonna be down there in Anaheim
Speaker 4: next next month May and then Pop. We just came
Speaker 4: back from the AI doing two shows, so well, yeah,
Speaker 4: we've been moving, man, were moving and growing.
Speaker 2: I saw y'all the what was the show that you
Speaker 2: were did in LA eight number one for the Best, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for the for the Mexican on me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: My homie uh yeah, man, Bobby d No, no, no,
Speaker 3: my homie, uh Spooky from mob G. He'd be putting
Speaker 3: on them shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all was in that show. I saw you at
Speaker 2: the Thing black and I was trying to holler at you.
Speaker 2: But you know how to be with the concerts, something
Speaker 2: like he was trying to get in. I had to
Speaker 2: go up there and I came back and you was gone.
Speaker 4: You're talking about the Night of the Black Skin or
Speaker 4: something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: they be having it popping.
Speaker 1: My boy.
Speaker 3: That's my boy Spooky from mob G that's his little
Speaker 3: ship right be cracking.
Speaker 2: When I was walking over to you, he was at
Speaker 2: the door. They was They was trying not to let
Speaker 2: a d and I was like, y'all tripping, y'all, this
Speaker 2: man gotta show up at tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing was. It was lit up and there.
Speaker 4: I like those type of shows better than them big
Speaker 4: old old arenas and all that.
Speaker 1: Like them like that right there.
Speaker 3: Nice, that's a better intimate setting for niggas, like yeah,
Speaker 3: uh you know, it be majority of.
Speaker 1: True fans and fans exactly and the spectators. You feel.
Speaker 2: That was a nice little crowd. What was it about
Speaker 2: a thousand people there, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was crowded.
Speaker 1: Over that, a little over a thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of people, that motherfuckers. I
Speaker 2: remember when I had to go out there to gets
Speaker 2: you and I had to walk upstairs to see you,
Speaker 2: old boy, and I had to I had to some people.
Speaker 2: It's packed in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and man, him and DJ Drew too. DJ Drew
Speaker 4: be doing a lot of intimate, like nice setting shows
Speaker 4: like that too. He got us over there Orange County.
Speaker 4: I forgot it's called the I forgot that theater name
Speaker 4: out there in Orange County. But he another one that's
Speaker 4: good to link up with too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I love dealing with them, man, because they handled business
Speaker 4: right and they got that promo down.
Speaker 1: They get they get them heads up in there. I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: I love it you working man. Hey, we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about some stuff off here. Man, were about to let
Speaker 2: y'all go now. Much love for tuning in with us,
Speaker 2: and we gon holler back at y'all next week.
Speaker 1: Sure, man, salute man. Appreciate y'all having for show anytime. Bro, Yes,
Speaker 1: sir well.
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