WEBVTT - TechStuff Watches Independence Day 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.120 Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:13.720 stuff dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.840 and Jonathan Stick and we're gonna do something a little 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.200 different today. It's something that we threatened to do in 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.200 a previous episode and fans really picked it up. Exactly, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.520 you have no one to blame but yourselves. We are 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.080 on this eve of Independence Day here in the United States, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.160 going to cover the film Independence Day and talk about 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.519 some of the technology and science stuff that happens in 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.120 the movie, whether or not any of it is plausible, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.600 Which parts were you know, more or less right on target, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.560 which parts were even prescient, and then which parts were 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:52.839 not really not really plausible, if at all possible. So, uh, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.520 but to start off, we should probably give an overview 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:56.920 of the film for those of you who have not 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.920 seen it. Now, this movie came out in nine six, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.040 right now, there were a few other things that were 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.480 going on at that time. That's the year that DVDs 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.920 launched in Japan. Yeah, so when I actually asked my 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.960 friends if anyone had a copy of this, they all 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.280 said they had it on VHS. And we don't ever 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.560 remember that media. I don't even know if I have 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.840 anything that will still play a tape. Uh. There were 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.520 other things that happened that year in the world of technology. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.280 Internet Explorer three launched. That was Microsoft's big browser, and 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.440 of course the three was one of the bigger ones 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.760 of the releases Windows in T four point it was 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:40.160 released by Microsoft as well. eBay got started. A little 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.440 first person shooter by the name of Duke NUKEAM three 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:48.160 D launched and that ended up, of course getting a 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.760 lot of people really excited. They enjoyed the game. I 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.920 include a sequel was planned and would end up being 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.800 vaporware for more than a decade. Uh. There was a 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.640 certain animal that was born that year. Yeah, Dolly the 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.160 cloned sheep was born. That's first first cloned mammal. Yep, 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.880 Dolly the Sheep, first mammal successfully cloned. That's also the 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:15.040 year that IBMS Deep Blue defeated the chess champion, Gary Kasparov, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.679 so man versus machine and machine wins. Yeah. It was 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:24.560 also the Telecommunications Act of strangely enough, happened in UM 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.240 and and that basically allowed the Internet to sort of 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.760 be lumped in along with broadband signals and UM allowed 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.959 cable companies to start offering Internet services. People were really 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.680 excited about this new megabit speeds that we're going to 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.320 start happening, right right, We were finally getting away from 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.400 the kill a bit speeds that we were thinking of 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.880 with the old dial up modems. And you know, this 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.760 is this is back when the Internet is pretty young 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.120 as far as the general public is concerned. The Internet 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.680 itself had been around for a while, but really only 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.440 research institutions, universities, some government facilities, military, that kind of stuff. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.760 Those organizations had access to it, but anyone outside of 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.680 that really did not have a whole lot of access 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.880 to the Internet unless they just happen to work someplace 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.240 or go to school someplace that had it. At this 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.320 point in ninety six, we've actually got the point where 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.440 the Worldwide Web is a thing, but still very early 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.640 on in the kind of the g c S era 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.760 of the exactly yeah. And and according to uh the 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.160 people history dot com that they say that in the 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:29.120 twelve months of the Internet, host computer number goes from 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.959 about one million computers to ten million computers. So obviously 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.240 explosive growth at this time, although it's still very much 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.600 a new thing, which kind of comes into play a 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.320 little bit in the film Independence Day. So Independence Day 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.960 it was a movie by Dean Devlin and Roland. Yeah, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.280 and Emerick is of course he's become known as the 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.440 guy who likes to blow up the Earth. Uh. He's 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.840 blown up the earth in several movies and other projects, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.520 things like everything from Godzilla to All the Day After Tomorrow. Uh. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.360 He's really big on worldwide destruction. And of course we 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.160 should mention that. Not too long ago it was announced 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:14.600 that sequels to Independence Day had been planned two sequels um, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.919 with the first one coming out I think UM and 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.600 Independence Day stars some some folks that you might recognize, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.480 like Will Smith would be the big name Bill Pullman, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.440 who I always get mixed up with Bill Paxton. If 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.039 you put them side by side, I would not be 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.360 able to name one versus the other. And I have 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.520 you have you have this this problem pretty commonly UM. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.280 Also also Jeff Goldbloom, who was very famous for being 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.120 UM wacky scientist at the time due to Jurassic Park. Right, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.400 he's also known as Uh. He does this stuttering thing 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:53.520 where he I do too. I enjoy it. Randy Quaid 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.640 also in the movie as a as what you assume 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.840 is a delusional drunk all though apparently he was to 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.919 the truth. Yeah, he's not collusion. Um. Adam Baldwin's in it, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.200 tiny chevy Adam Baldwin. He's so young and adorable. It's 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.279 very cute. Yeah, it's it's definitely well before his firefly days. Yeah, 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.080 Brent Brent Spiner data data from Star Trek Next Generation, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.600 although he does not play data from Star Trek Next 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.400 Generation in this movie. That would have been confusing. So 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.400 to give a brief rundown on what the film is 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.279 all about in case you have not seen it, there's 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.520 gonna be a lot of spoilers in this podcast, but 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.679 essentially it's ninety six. I think it's safe to spoil 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.800 it now. Yeah, I think that's statue of let me. Yeah. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.080 So the movie is all about how, uh, this alien 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:45.599 invasion force comes into two Earth's orbit and then lays 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.039 waste to the major cities on Earth in preparation for 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.120 a full on invasion. And it's about how Earth forces 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.320 kind of mount up a defense, a desperate defense, to 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.599 fight off these alien invaders. And this all happens, of course, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.159 on on from July second to July four, which here 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.200 in the United States is kind of a celebration of 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:12.200 independence and hence the term independence dates extremely Um, it's 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.200 not not ethnocentric, genoistic. Yeah, it's it's all right. Let 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.360 me put it this way. It's about America. It's an 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.560 American movie, is um, there's quite a bit of there's 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.240 quite a bit of uh of stuff about America. And 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.960 then there's some token mentions of other places around the 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.600 world where you see a brief scene in Iraq with 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.960 British forces saying things like the Americans on the case, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:43.839 bloody hell, like that's July. And then it goes to 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.400 Japan and Russia, and of course all the Russians are 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.000 sitting around vodka and listening to the radio. And I mean, 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.480 it's just let's just say that the depiction of other 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.440 cultures is somewhat stereotypical within the context of this movie, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:01.440 perhaps stilted. Don't don't worry though, everything is so it's 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:06.400 it's not just that we have a very very American 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.520 centric film. No one comes out of this lookally too great. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.440 But but that's that's more. That's more commentary on the 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.520 quality of the film. Let's get down to some of 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.600 the science, because this film is filled with science and 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.520 technology and likely and some of the stuff. There's one 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.240 thing in particular, there's a couple of things that are 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.840 really cool, yeah, that end up being something that that's 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.720 similar to what we use today. And I'm actually really impressed. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.040 And it was a really cool idea that I don't 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.480 know who came up with it, but it was a 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.480 really nifty thing. But the movie opens with a shot 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.520 of the Moon and you're actually looking at one of 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.400 the moon landing sites where you see the you know, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.440 the footprints on the regulars on the moon and yeah, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:52.000 and the American flag, and then a shadow comes across 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.840 the moon and you hear this terrible rumbling noise because 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.680 everyone can hear you scream. Yeah. See, that's one of 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.960 the things that happens in this film is that sound 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.760 does travel in space in this movie, which I can 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.239 only assume that the ships themselves are miked, that somehow 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:13.040 they're they're pushing out an atmosphere where sound can actually travel. Um. Yeah, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.520 because because there's a rumbling on the on the Moon, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.520 which technically you would not be able to hear unless 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.040 you had your ear right up against the Moon's surface, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.160 because there's not any atmosphere on the Moon. So there's 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.960 no way for particles to travel. Remember, sound is a 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.640 physical uh manifestation, it's actually particles that are banging together, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.920 and there's no atmosphere for the particles to bang together. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.320 You wouldn't be able to hear anything. Speaking of which 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.680 there there are really no I mean this. The ship 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.520 kicks up all kinds of moon dust and uh and yeah, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.800 it shakes everything around a whole lot, which wouldn't really 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:48.160 be Yeah, that wouldn't happen either unless the propulsion system 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.880 for the ship is somehow something like gravity based, which 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.520 is possible. That's something will we'll give you that one, right, Yeah, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.320 alien technology. We don't know how it works because we 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.480 are not we're not privy to that information. So it's 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.040 quite possible that they're using some sort of gravity drive 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.319 which somehow can affect actual particles. Um, so we'll give 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.560 them the rumbling. We'll give them at least the movement part. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.880 The rumbling part is a little yeah, and then multiple 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.439 talking again about the ships in just a minute. I 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.720 think we're kind of going in chronological order throughout the 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.920 movie because that's how we took our notes exactly exactly. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.439 And we should also say that lots of science fiction 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:29.880 films have sound in space and it's a dramatic thing. Yeah, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.679 you can't, although I do appreciate it when people don't 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.400 do that, right, like just we Firefly, where you would 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.600 have a ship explode and you don't hear anything because 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.000 you wouldn't be able to Uh, that makes sense, But 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.480 I understand why they do it for dramatic effect. It 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.319 would not be as effective for an audience, So I 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.079 give them a pass on that because they're using a 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.360 common trope that's throughout all the science fiction films. Um. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.880 We then get down to the surface of the planet 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.560 where has some realized and it is it is pronounced 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.560 sea right, not s E t I because one of 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.040 the characters in the film pronounces it S t I. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.959 We just call it set Excellent Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Now, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.120 this is a real organization and they use radio telescopes 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.080 to search out radio signals from other places in the 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.840 galaxy to see if there's anything broadcasting out there. But 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.920 by radio signals, we don't necessarily mean audio like audible. Yeah, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.440 it might be. It might be. Well, just like just 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.360 like our WiFi is a kind of radio transmission. Uh, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.120 it may be that it's just a series of frequencies 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.320 that we pick up that end up looking like it's 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.120 some form of communication. It wouldn't necessarily be like or 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.480 listening to nineteen fifties rock or anything. Um, you might 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.959 be able to translate that into some sort of audible sound, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.160 but it wouldn't necessarily sound like anything. So yeah, yeah, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.360 And which is interesting to me because in the seat 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.920 headquarters they do have a sign to to who goes like, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.080 I'm hearing beeps and boops, literal audio beeps and groups 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.040 coming through this headset, and that means something so so 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.640 so clearly, steady in this in this little fractured universe, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.200 has UM translated all of their radio frequencies into an 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.520 audible signal that technicians can and and to be clear 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.199 steady actually you know when they're looking for these radio signals. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.640 One of the things you have to keep in mind 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.120 is there's a lot of stuff out there that can 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.880 create a radio signal that isn't intelligent. It's it's just 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.360 it's a natural phenomenon basically space, because I mean objects 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.360 within space, anything with with with gravity or with light, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.880 you can have you can have the potential for that, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.600 you can have anything like quasars things like that that 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.160 create these radio signals. So what SETI has to do 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.280 is not only look for the presence of radio signals, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.200 but then to actually, yeah, to make sure that that's 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.320 some sort of meaningful communication as opposed to just random noise. Well, 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.680 in this case, they figure out, hey, there's something up there, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.200 and they see that there's a through through some form 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.720 of thermal imaging, they see a gigantic spaceship. Now, later 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.640 on the movie, we discover that radar does not work 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.319 on these spaceships. So radar, that's one that's I guess 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.280 the excuse of why the spaceship was not detected until 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.480 after it was right there at the Moon already. Yeah, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.040 but in Earth's orbit. But thermal imaging works. So in 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.920 other words, there's no cloaking device here. There's nothing that's 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:35.640 that's keeping it invisible to us from our Now we 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.720 can't get them by radar, but we could see them. Now. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.440 This ship, the mothership, because before it has let out 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.400 any other smaller ships, is huge. According to the movie, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.199 it is five hundred and fifty kilometers in diameter, which 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.080 is about three two miles. That's just under half the 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.680 size of Texas at its widest point and U and 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.320 it says that it's about a quarter of the mass 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.079 of the Moon. All of this meanings it's it's very, 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.720 very big, and we would be able to see it, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.560 if not, even without radar with our naked eye, like 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.560 looking up at the sky, we would go, oh what, Yeah, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.560 you would at least be able to see the light 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.000 from this thing if nothing else, I mean, the sunlight 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.040 reflecting off of it. But but with telescopes we'd be 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.199 able to see it even further away. Sure, and and 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.960 possibly you know, maybe maybe the shields because it is 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.560 revealed the ship has some kind of shielding mechanism UM 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.479 which which blocks you know, torpedoes, um. Yeah, but maybe 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.760 maybe it also blocks visual data. I don't know. I mean, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:36.800 then it with the question would be why do they 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.880 bother to reveal themselves at all? Because if it if 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.040 a dramatic effect, it's like a villain that only makes 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.880 sense within the context of a movie. With Then when 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.480 you step outside of that and you look at if 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.440 you were going to destroy a planet, wouldn't you wouldn't 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.280 you want to have a dramatic entrant. I have learned 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.760 my lesson. I am no longer revealing my egomaniacal plans 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.840 to the hero before I set them in motion. You 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.839 once fully once, shame on you, pull me four and 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.920 seventy eight times shame on me. All right, not again 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.679 for seven nine. It's going down. Okay, But yeah, the 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.839 the it does not appear to be invisible. So that's one. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.040 That's one thing we can point out as being a 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.160 problem that we would have seen this thing coming towards 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.160 the Earth even with no instrumentation, literally with telescopes, yet 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.640 we would have seen it well before it ever reached 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.480 as far as the Moon. That being said, we also 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.520 don't know if I assumed the ship must have some 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.120 sort of super fast propulsion system for deep space travel 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.800 faster or at least yeah, I mean it would have 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.840 to be because there are no nearby systems that could 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:52.040 support life, uh compared you know, from our position right 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.760 there are no planets that are because we do learn 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.040 that these aliens share a lot in common with us. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.000 They breathe oxygen, they have the same sort of tolerant 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.760 s is for heat and cold, and so they have 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.520 they have some kind of visual cortex that that allows 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.280 them to use very similar computer displays to ours. Yeah, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.360 that's a problem, but we'll get into that. But yeah, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.960 they they they have a lot of similarities to humans, 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.960 which is already a huge coincidence. I mean, there's no 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 there's nothing that says that another intelligent kind of life 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.120 would have to be humanoid in shape. That's one that 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.080 I'm willing to give them though. That's that's that's one. 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.000 I mean, they're not quite you know, it's it's not 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.560 like clingons versus humans, and so it's not it's not 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.200 not quite that close. But you still have you know, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.760 general you know, limbs and that head and the verse 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.480 is a very strange place, is all I'm saying. I'm 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.920 that's one that I'm willing to let slide. Well, for 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.960 them to be so similar to us and in multiple 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.320 ways is a huge coincidence when you think about all 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.680 the variables out there, I mean, when you when you 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.280 really get down to it, when you talk about our 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.960 sample size for planets with life on it, that's a one. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.040 That's a sample size of one. We have one planet 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.280 that we know of that supports life as we know it, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.040 So that's an incredibly small sample size. So and this 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.120 is a problem that's throughout science fiction. I'm not just 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.840 picking on independence, but but you know, we have to 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.920 extrapolate from what we know, so I mean, I understand that, 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.360 but for something to be this similar to us, it's 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:22.200 pretty phenomenal. Anyway. The fact that they're this similar means 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.520 that that the well draws a lot of of questions, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.760 one of which is that why are they coming here? 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.760 And they eventually it's revealed that they're planning on invading 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.640 and taking over the planet. That what they do is 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.440 they go from planet to planet, they consus the resources 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.240 and then move on to them. They're like, well, this 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.560 one's done, let's go on, which then raises another question, 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.080 which is that we assume there are a lot of 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.640 exo planets out there, lots we've we've already found found 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.840 lots of exo planets. Uh, there are several that we've 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.360 found that are what we within what we call the 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.520 Goldilocks zone, which is this zone within a distance from 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.680 the host star of that planet. If we were in 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.240 start track, it would be called a class M plan Yeah, yeah, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.560 meaning that meaning that that it would at least have 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.520 the potential for supporting life as we know it based 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.879 upon its distance from the star. But that's all the 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.480 you know, And we might know something about the composition 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.680 of the planet itself, but we wouldn't know enough about 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.240 to say that whether there is or isn't life on it. However, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.640 I'm sure that just based upon the huge number we've 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.280 already started to see in our within our own galaxy, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:32.440 there must be countless planets that fall into this category, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.000 which makes you wonder, why would you bother going to 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.840 uh try and colonize one where the residents of that 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.960 planet might potentially fight back. Well, they it is, I 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.360 would say, I would argue that that these aliens had 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.880 to have been watching us long enough to to understand 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.560 our language, and understand our computer language, which we'll get 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:56.560 to in just a second, and and furthermore understand our culture. Um, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.560 because when they do send out those little spaceships, they 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.959 send them not to the most populated regions of the planet, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.520 but to the major cultural landmarks, as though they are 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.480 specifically trying to evoke an emotional response in us. Yeah, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.160 as though they are the creators of the film. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, so, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.399 if you're looking at it from a storyteller perspective, you 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.200 want your you want to park your your your spaceship 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.239 directly over the Empire State State Building, or directly over 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:26.600 the White House or the building as it was. Yeah, exactly, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:31.600 you park it directly over some incredibly identifiable landmark, because 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.560 that's very it's a great visual effect. Uh, if you 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.960 are an alien, the reason you do it is, I 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:44.280 don't know, you're already leveling cities. Um. So they we 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.320 presume that they have some sort of faster than light 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.320 drive in order for them to get to where they're going. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.760 We don't know that. It's never revealed in the movie 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.680 where they came from or how they got here. Um, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.720 we don't know. Uh. They talk about how the radio 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.600 signal um is originating for the moon. Uh that you 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.919 can't I don't know how they figure that out, Like 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.520 how I mean, you could figure out that came from 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.760 that direction? Problem study, say this radio signal is coming 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.639 from the moon, right, But you don't. I mean, you 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.679 could see what direction it was coming from if you 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.840 were you know, triangulating from various radio stations and you 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.600 saw how long it took to get to each one, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.080 you can figure out kind of where the origin point was. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.359 Distance is a little weird. I mean because radio signals 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.199 can come from really far away. Now, grant the strength 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.359 of the signal would give you an idea, but that 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.199 that part definitely an equation. That's a little bit on 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.600 the fly. Um, they start using our own satellites to 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.959 communicate the aliens do the mothership eventually has other ships 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.440 split off from it. Oh and one other thing I 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.119 want to mention. You said that had a quarter of 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.840 the mass of the Moon. In case you're curious, I 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.800 did the math. Here's so the moon has a mass 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.600 of seventy three grams, which would be if you if 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.320 you down the number seven and then the number three 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.840 and then put twenty one zeros after it, that's how 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.720 many grams of mass the moon has. So this, uh, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.640 this spaceship has one point eight grams of mass. Uh. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.560 And they talk about the possibility of using an I C. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.280 B M to bring this mother ship down before it 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.840 starts to split off and all the other ships come 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:23.760 out from it. Uh. There's no nuclear weapon that could 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.200 destroy that much mass. It just we have not created 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.560 a nuclear weapon that could that much damage. Yeah, there's 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.920 that's so massive. We don't not only why why would we, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.639 but how could we? So? How how how do we 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.359 know how much mass this thing has? Yeah, I don't know. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.800 I mean because they're they're looking at it from a 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.320 thermal imaging perspective, which really just that is a is 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:54.119 a gravitational pull. And and unless it is um, unless 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.080 they've calculated the amount that it's offset the tides, or 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.520 even maybe and then you wouldn't be able to calculate, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.720 you know, figure out what the masses that. That's a 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.960 good question, I think it was. I think the answer 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.399 is they wanted to make sure it looked like it 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:12.439 was big. This is from my sheet of increasingly incredulous question. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.600 How is this possible? Well, the mother ship has all 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:22.119 these large city sized ships split off from it, and 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.760 the city size ships then come down and hover over 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.480 the various cities, including like directly over the Empire State Building, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.600 directly over the Capitol Building, directly over part of l A, 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.600 etceter etcetera. And they, I think they say at one 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.919 point it's like ten to fifteen ships. So apparently they 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:42.159 never get an accurate account. Um. The ships are using 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.600 our satellite system to communicate with each other. They're bouncing 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.159 signals off of our satellites, which raises a question how 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.480 do they get their technology to interact with ours? So 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.439 they they've clearly learned our our computer programming languages. They 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.520 must have, because how else, and they must have been 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.520 designed machines on their their ships that could then interface 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.719 with our machines, because otherwise, you know, yes, you can 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:12.160 see that they're broadcasting radio signals, but on a technological level, 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.120 you wouldn't be able to interact with that unless yours 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.880 were somehow um, you know, had some sort of adapter 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.760