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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Stick and we're gonna do something a little

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Speaker 1: different today. It's something that we threatened to do in

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Speaker 1: a previous episode and fans really picked it up. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: you have no one to blame but yourselves. We are

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Speaker 1: on this eve of Independence Day here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: going to cover the film Independence Day and talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the technology and science stuff that happens in

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Speaker 1: the movie, whether or not any of it is plausible,

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Speaker 1: Which parts were you know, more or less right on target,

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Speaker 1: which parts were even prescient, and then which parts were

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Speaker 1: not really not really plausible, if at all possible. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: but to start off, we should probably give an overview

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Speaker 1: of the film for those of you who have not

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Speaker 1: seen it. Now, this movie came out in nine six,

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Speaker 1: right now, there were a few other things that were

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Speaker 1: friends if anyone had a copy of this, they all

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Speaker 1: said they had it on VHS. And we don't ever

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Speaker 1: remember that media. I don't even know if I have

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Speaker 1: anything that will still play a tape. Uh. There were

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Speaker 1: other things that happened that year in the world of technology.

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Speaker 1: Internet Explorer three launched. That was Microsoft's big browser, and

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Speaker 1: released by Microsoft as well. eBay got started. A little

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Speaker 1: first person shooter by the name of Duke NUKEAM three

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Speaker 1: lot of people really excited. They enjoyed the game. I

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Speaker 1: vaporware for more than a decade. Uh. There was a

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Speaker 1: certain animal that was born that year. Yeah, Dolly the

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Speaker 1: Dolly the Sheep, first mammal successfully cloned. That's also the

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Speaker 1: year that IBMS Deep Blue defeated the chess champion, Gary Kasparov,

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Speaker 1: so man versus machine and machine wins. Yeah. It was

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Speaker 1: also the Telecommunications Act of strangely enough, happened in UM

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Speaker 1: cable companies to start offering Internet services. People were really

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Speaker 1: excited about this new megabit speeds that we're going to

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Speaker 1: itself had been around for a while, but really only

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Speaker 1: research institutions, universities, some government facilities, military, that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Those organizations had access to it, but anyone outside of

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Speaker 1: or go to school someplace that had it. At this

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Speaker 1: point in ninety six, we've actually got the point where

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Speaker 1: the Worldwide Web is a thing, but still very early

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Speaker 1: on in the kind of the g c S era

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Speaker 1: about one million computers to ten million computers. So obviously

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Speaker 1: explosive growth at this time, although it's still very much

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Speaker 1: a new thing, which kind of comes into play a

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Speaker 1: little bit in the film Independence Day. So Independence Day

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Speaker 1: it was a movie by Dean Devlin and Roland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Emerick is of course he's become known as the

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Speaker 1: guy who likes to blow up the Earth. Uh. He's

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Speaker 1: that sequels to Independence Day had been planned two sequels um,

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Speaker 1: Independence Day stars some some folks that you might recognize,

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Speaker 1: Also also Jeff Goldbloom, who was very famous for being

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Speaker 1: to give a brief rundown on what the film is

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Speaker 1: all about in case you have not seen it, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of spoilers in this podcast, but

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Speaker 1: essentially it's ninety six. I think it's safe to spoil

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Speaker 1: So the movie is all about how, uh, this alien

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Speaker 1: not not ethnocentric, genoistic. Yeah, it's it's all right. Let

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Speaker 1: me put it this way. It's about America. It's an

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Speaker 1: then there's some token mentions of other places around the

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Speaker 1: And we should also say that lots of science fiction

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Speaker 1: There's another thing that happens with the cable station in

429
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: particular that just drive me crazy because I was I

430
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: I understand again that was done for effect, but it

431
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: made no sense. Bubble. We'll get into that in a

432
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: little bit. So you've got all these spaceships splitting off.

433
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: The satellite hits the spaceship and there's no visible damage whatsoever.

434
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: You also don't see the force field, but you don't

435
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: see the force field at that point. You just see

436
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: the satellite bang into the spaceship and then go boom.

437
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: Which does it? Does it do it? I don't remember.

438
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Does it do a green boom or an exploding but

439
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: don't I think it's an exploding boom as I recall now. Granted,

440
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: I should add this movie is two hours and twenty

441
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: minutes long something. Yes, So we took turns watching and

442
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: then taking breaks and then watching, and then playing borderlines too,

443
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: and then watching and then desperately trying to find something

444
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: else to do, and then watching. Um. I mean I

445
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: watched this movie all the way through in the theater

446
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: when it came out. I love this movie as a

447
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: teenager as great as a teenager. It had Will Smith

448
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: and like it's action stuff blown up As an adult, Uh,

449
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: some of the shine has worn off. Actually, I guess

450
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't a teenager back then either. It's my birthday today, um,

451
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: and now I'm doing mathppy birthday, Jonathan, Thank you so uh,

452
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: we didn't have the various people in American government reacting

453
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what the heck is going on. Uh,

454
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: the Secretary Defense wants to blow it out of the

455
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: sky with an ice ub um, even though I've just

456
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: said that that we do not have one that is

457
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: that big, even though maybe it's a secret government program. Now,

458
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: the city sized ships, once those split off, those could

459
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Speaker 1: be heretically that I would if you're talking about the

460
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: size of the city, then you could take it down. Yeah,

461
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: you could do enough damage to it. You could do

462
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: enough damage to it where I seriously think it wouldn't

463
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: be able to maintain flight. I mean, nuclear weapons are

464
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: pending on your your engine power source, which we still

465
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: haven't determined. And because these things are city sized and

466
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: they are hovering noiselessly and um and effortlessly like like

467
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Speaker 1: like they are not creating any um any kind of

468
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: ripples in the spacetime continuum. As we know, it's these cities.

469
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Speaker 1: You've got You've got this ship that's ard over your city,

470
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: but it's not pushing down. Just hang yeah, it's not.

471
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: It's not pushing down in any way that would make

472
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: it like if you stepped outside, you wouldn't suddenly feel

473
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: like some weird force pressing down on you. There's nothing,

474
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: so we don't know how they're hanging in the air

475
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: like that alien technology. I'll give it to them. Yeah,

476
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: it might as well be magic. So we don't know

477
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: what's going on on that case. We've got the whole

478
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Speaker 1: um Oval Office reaction. One of my favorite little moments

479
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: in this is there's a point where a person brings

480
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Speaker 1: in a silver briefcase to show the president something Oh yeah, yeah,

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: and opens it up and there's like a little it's

482
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Speaker 1: not even a laptopic, it's just a screen. It's a

483
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Speaker 1: screen with I don't know. Yeah, it's supposed to show

484
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Speaker 1: a readout, a radar readout of the ships. I don't

485
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: know why radar is working now. Um, there's no explanation

486
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Speaker 1: for why the radar readout works as opposed to because

487
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: half the time radar is not working and the other

488
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: half the time they talk about a radar readout. Uh

489
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's just that the aliens keep forgetting

490
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: to turn the stuff button on. Um, because these ships

491
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: are not design. If you've listened to our podcast about

492
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: stealth technology, you know that a part of the way

493
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: that stealth technology works is just based on the actual

494
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: physical design of the vehicles. They have these weird angular

495
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: uh designs to them, and that makes that makes stuff

496
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: bounce off of them at awkward angles so that you

497
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: can't receive the signals exactly exactly. But these ships are

498
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: just gigantic flying saucers, so big flat services that radar

499
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: could easily bounce off up they have to be able

500
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: to if we're talking about those gravitational drives or something

501
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: like that. I never knew you were an alien apologist, um,

502
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, so, so don't know why the radar sometimes

503
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: works and sometimes doesn't, but it's still kind of interesting here. Uh.

504
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: There's also when the ships are moving into position over

505
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: the cities, there's this weird sheath of fire that's all

506
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: around them, and I was wondering if that was supposed

507
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Speaker 1: to be the representation of these ships enter ring the

508
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Earth's atmosphere. But they don't seem to be moving very quickly,

509
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: so it's almost like they have a very controlled descent

510
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: into Earth's atmosphere, so they wouldn't you know, the whole

511
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: heat and fire stuff would only make sense if they

512
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: were coming in at an incredible speed um and they're

513
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: creating this amazing amount of pressure as they're coming in,

514
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: and that's what builds up all this heat. Maybe they

515
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: have a fine magnesium powder that's operating their shielding system

516
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: that's just lighting on fire as they I don't know

517
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: if that's a science fact. Maybe this is just the

518
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: the equivalent of painting flames on your hot rod. This

519
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: is wicked cool, guys, Let's turn the flames on, you know,

520
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. Well, you know what, We got

521
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: a lot more to say about this movie, but before

522
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Speaker 1: And since we're talking about science fiction today, one good

530
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Speaker 1: different versions at audible, including one read by orson Freaking Wells,

532
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: So go check that out. Okay, so we've got the

533
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: ships there over the various cities, we've got the everyone's

534
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: freaking out. No one knows exactly what's going on. Yeah,

535
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Goldblum's discovered the signal, uh and he he figures

536
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: out this probably some sort of coordinated attack. This raises

537
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: a question in my mind that's more of a plot

538
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: question and less of a technology question, which is, I

539
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: don't understand why the attack needs to be incredibly coordinated, because,

540
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: as is demonstrated throughout the film, these aliens have amazing

541
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Speaker 1: technology that our technology just cannot stand up to. Like

542
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: nothing we have puts a dentity. It doesn't it doesn't

543
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: really matter if they're going to blow us up simultaneously

544
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: or at a slight leg right right, Why why even

545
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: worry about targeting the largest cities first, unless it's just

546
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: to get as many people dead as possible, which could

547
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: just be an efficiency thing, in which case, all right,

548
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I can get that they're trying to kill as many

549
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Speaker 1: people and as little time as possible because their ultimate

550
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: goal is to invade the planet, and this way they'd

551
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: wipe out, you know, the major centers of population. They're

552
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: clearly just just bond villains really at heart there Again,

553
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: they're doing it for dramatic effect, but I wanted to

554
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: give one of our scientists something to latch onto. Yeah, well,

555
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: in order to make us feel like we have a

556
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: fighting chance. I think. I think the I think the

557
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: wiping out as many people as possible is as much

558
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: sense as I can make of it. But I mean

559
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: it does make sense in a way. If you're if

560
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Speaker 1: you're talking about clearing on an area so that you

561
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: can then come in and and and reap all the benefits,

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Speaker 1: then I understand, like, all right, well you wanted to

563
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Speaker 1: do that. You need to hit before everyone realizes what's up,

564
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: because then they're just going to scatter like like cockroaches,

565
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: and then you have to hunt them all down. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: this is This is also about when when are our satellites,

567
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: like all of our to like communications start kind of

568
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: breaking up a little bit, and this weird static pattern,

569
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Speaker 1: which I'm not sure is how satellites were satellites were well,

570
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: some were being destroyed and some of the some of

571
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Speaker 1: the capacity of the satellite was being used to transmit

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Speaker 1: this alien signal. I think that the signal would just

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Speaker 1: go out. I don't think it would be static. Anything

574
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: that was destroyed, obviously the signal would go out the

575
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Uh there, you know, having this idea of that an

576
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: alien signal underlying our own signals is interesting. Uh. Depending

577
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: upon the bandwidth of the satellite. I could actually see

578
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: it working in a way where it means that our

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00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: signals are actually weaker. But I don't think it would

580
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Speaker 1: come across exactly the way it did in the movie.

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Speaker 1: There's one point, you know, Jeff Goldblum's character, the brilliant

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Speaker 1: scientist guy who is now essentially just working for a

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Speaker 1: cable company, a cable provider. Uh, there's one point where

584
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: he's talking with his his comedic sidekick character who is

585
00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: later on obliterated spoiler alert, um, Harvey Firestein. Where he's

586
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: chatting with him, and then suddenly a white House announcement

587
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: comes on the screens, and and and this wall of

588
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: screens that had previously been picking up broadcasts from all

589
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: different channels. Yeah. Yeah, So you think of a like

590
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: just a wall of television screens, and each television screen

591
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: is showing a different channel, and now they're all showing

592
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: the White House thing. But some of them, like groups

593
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: of nine screens, become one big display, so you know

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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: you're there the power Rangers or something, and they're all

595
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: just just building up together Ultron. Sorry that's era, but no. Yeah,

596
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: this idea that you know that if you have a

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Speaker 1: block of nine screens, the upper left screen is the

598
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Speaker 1: upper left corner of the full picture. How does that happen? Like?

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Speaker 1: How would you? How would would that mean? Like Channel

600
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: thirty two is only showing the upper left corner of

601
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Speaker 1: the alien the alien disruption in our in our communication

602
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Speaker 1: signal is causing our television is to start acting like Ultron.

603
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: And I completely dismiss your your apologetic response. Yeah, this

604
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: is one of those things where I just thought it

605
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: was ridiculous where you have all these disconnected screens suddenly

606
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: showing a unified display. It just I mean, it was

607
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: clearly there for dramatic effect, but it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: The only way that works is if you have prerecorded

609
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: it and programmed out the screens to show exactly what

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Speaker 1: you want when you want it. It doesn't happen over

611
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Speaker 1: a live broadcast where suddenly nine screens gained sentience and

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Speaker 1: all work together to bring together the president's words. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Jeff Goldblum decides he has to go to d

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Speaker 1: C to find his ex wife, who now works at

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00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the White House and also marginally helps save the planet. Right,

616
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, that's in the process. So he goes

617
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: with his dad, uh and he and his dad go

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Speaker 1: down to DC. Because Jeff Goldblum's scaracter doesn't drive a car,

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Speaker 1: so he rides with his dad, who does drives very

620
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: slowly comedic effect, and they arrive at d C and

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Speaker 1: then he he quote triangulates the position of his wife

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Speaker 1: through her cell phone use, which is self in this

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00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: period where Fox Molder's cell phone. I mean they were bricks,

624
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: they were rare to not everyone had them. But but

625
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: triangulating is probably not the right word here. You could

626
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: triangulate someone's position using someone who's using a cell phone.

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00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: You could triangulate it, particularly if you're the cell phone company.

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Speaker 1: But more likely what he was doing was saying at

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Speaker 1: the time, didn't they didn't they kind of purposefully scramble

630
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Speaker 1: a lot of that. Where couldn't you not really use GPS?

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Speaker 1: I GPS GPS does that's not even that's not even

632
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Speaker 1: a thing. So, I mean, GPS is a thing, but

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: not on any civilian cell phone. Not so you could

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Speaker 1: do it just by the cell phone signal, you know,

635
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: the cell phone sending out radio signals from the phone,

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Speaker 1: because she's on the phone at the time. And the

637
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: idea is that what he's doing is detecting the radio

638
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: signal from her phone and then figuring out where she

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Speaker 1: is within the context of the White House. He couldn't

640
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Speaker 1: really triangulate. I mean, to triangulate, you need three points.

641
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: That's kind of the whole idea of triangulation. You need

642
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: these three sides, and you have to be able to

643
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: know the different angles between you and a cup. You

644
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: need note at least the distance between you and one

645
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: other point and at least the measurement of two angles

646
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: for you to be able to determine the position of

647
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: whatever you're looking for. Yeah, and he obviously doesn't have

648
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: all that information. What he was really doing was a

649
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of localization through multilateral radio signals, which is possible

650
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: but is not terribly precise. So in other words, he'd

651
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: be able to say she's in the White House, which

652
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: they already knew. But anyway, again, movie logic, Um, we

653
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: have the whole uh bit of where they're at. The

654
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: ships actually start to unleash their attack so at this

655
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: point are various heroes have all started to make their

656
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: way out of the cities otherwise over really quickly, and

657
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: the spaceships start to beam down energy into the cities

658
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: to wipe them out. We don't know what kind of

659
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: energy it is, some kind of energy weapon. It's it's

660
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: kind of a green and glowing laser stuff that moves

661
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: slower than light speed. Right, So so it's kind of

662
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: like our podcast about plasma weapons, you know, it's similar

663
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: to that. But we figure, all right, so the slowing

664
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: down obviously that's for for again traumatic effect, because if

665
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: it was going at light speed, it would just be

666
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: boo and you're like, wow, um, this this was more

667
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, intimidating and frightening. But so let's just assume

668
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: it's some form of laser. There could even be plasma

669
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: ification going on, because if the laser is powerful enough,

670
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: it could actually plasma atmosphere. Yeah, the atmosphere around the laser.

671
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: And then you see this this explosion from the focal

672
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: point moving outward and it just keeps rolling out effect. Yeah,

673
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: exactly like if you're to throw a rock into a

674
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: pond and you watch those ripples. That's exactly what this

675
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: looks like. Except it's just the one ripple, right, It's

676
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: not like a it's not like a six sequence of all.

677
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: So you see this one ripple moving outward of exclusiveness. Uh,

678
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: and it never seems to um to to disperse until

679
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: it gets to like the edge of the city. It

680
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: just keeps going outward. Which Uh, the blast only happens once,

681
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: like it shoots down once at whatever monument it happens

682
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: to be parked over, because we've already established that's what

683
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: they do. The aliens are kind of they're kind of jerks.

684
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of jerk faces. Not only are

685
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: they destroying our cities, but they have to first hit

686
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: whatever like uh iconic building or structure is there. They're

687
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: not only we're gonna kill you, we're gonna blow up

688
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: your stuff, like the stuff you like, the stuff that's

689
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: on your postcards. That's what we're blowing up, um because

690
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: it makes really good movie posters. They've been watching watching

691
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: our our communication signal and they probably actually had already

692
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: seen em Ric's future films before he had even made them,

693
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: and they said that's a good idea. So uh, because

694
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going faster than light. That means they've

695
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: got some time travel stuff going on too. Anyway, this

696
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: this uh, this explosion that moves out where there's the

697
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: scientific problem I have with this is that the energy

698
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to disperse, like they shoot the blast down

699
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: once and then the blast turns off and then you

700
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: just see the the spreading explosion and it never seems

701
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: to be losing energy. But in order for this to

702
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: really work, they'd have to constantly be pouring energy into it,

703
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: because you know, otherwise it would just disperse outward. Heat

704
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: does not stay in a ripple effect. Maybe maybe only

705
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: that initial blast is within the visible spectrum and the

706
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: rest is using some of that graviton technology that they

707
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: clearly have to create some kind of like like magnetic

708
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: gravitational rings, so they're they're using hands out. You know what,

709
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: if you're talking about plasma that works, I will I

710
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: will grant you that, because plasma will respond to magnetic fields.

711
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: So um, okay, I retract my objection. If that's possibly

712
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: what happened, then that's fine. So I did some math

713
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: here where I was trying to determine how many people

714
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: would have theoretically died as a result of these attacks.

715
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: So assuming that the ships were able to hit most

716
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: of the major cities in the world, and really at

717
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: first they're they're hitting like ten or fifteen of them, uh,

718
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: and then they move on to hit smaller cities like

719
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: Atlanta at and Is in round two. So we don't

720
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: get off scott free in this one. Um. So, in

721
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties six, the world had approximately five point eight

722
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: billion people. We've got quite a few more since then,

723
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: but five point eight billion people in n So I

724
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: assumed that about of the world's population were in cities.

725
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Now that's a rough assumption. In nineteen fifty it was

726
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: around thirty percent, and I think it was two thousand

727
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: eight when we finally hit fifty percent population in urban environments.

728
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: So between nineteen fifty and two thousand and eight, I'm saying,

729
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: so of the world's population in cities, that's about two

730
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: point three billion people total. And then I made a

731
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: further assumption. I said, alright, a lot of people try

732
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: to evacuate, So let's say that fifty percent of them

733
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: got out of the city and they're safe, and the

734
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: other fifty percent are still within the city when these

735
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: attacks happen. That means that you've got about one point

736
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: one six billion people left left behind in those cities.

737
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: So then I said, all right, let's assume a seventy

738
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: percent fatality rate, meaning that of the population is able

739
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: to find some place where they're able to hunker down

740
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: and survive there in a bomb shelter, or they're helpful alleyway,

741
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: if you happen to be Will Smith's love interest, Thank goodness,

742
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: the dog lives um. By the way, this movie not

743
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: so subtle with its emotional manipulation. They use everything children, Uh,

744
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: they use dogs. Uh, they use the wonderful trope of

745
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: character who has been terribly injured, but not so badly

746
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: that they can't have that one last tender thank you,

747
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: President Laura. That's that's the scene I hate the most

748
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: in this movie, and that's saying something. Anyway, with a

749
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: seventy percent fatality rate, I figured that about eight hundred

750
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: and twelve million people die as a result of the

751
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: of of this uh, of this attack. That's a conservative estimate.

752
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Then we've got the thing about the alien shields, which

753
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: we have him or probably some form of magnetic or

754
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe even gravity drive. We don't really know that. We

755
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: don't know about the what the energy weapons really are,

756
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: all right, So that that brings us to this whole

757
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: idea of the Roswell slash Area fifty one part of

758
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: the movie, right right, because because what happens is they,

759
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, all the cities start start being blowed up

760
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: and uh and and the president in a bunch of

761
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: other military persona head off to Area fifty one after

762
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the secret base after just located underground. Right, Jeff Goldblum's

763
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: dad says, hey, you guys, you knew about this ever

764
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: since the thing in Roswell, and then you hit it

765
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: in Area fifty one. And the President says, no, no, no, no, no,

766
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: no no, that's urban legend. It's not it's not real.

767
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: And then the Secretary of Defense is like, well, actually

768
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: cut to yeah, but here's the thing. First of all,

769
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: the president in this in this sequence appears to be

770
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: unaware of the actual existence of Area fifty one, which

771
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: is an actual base. Is an actual base, although the

772
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: the military didn't really refer to it as Area fifty

773
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: one beyond some designations on a map. And the reason

774
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: that it was called Area fifty one is because of

775
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: its proximity to nuclear testing range, where they had divided

776
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: up the range in two different areas. Uh. It was

777
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: more known as Groom Lake, which was a dry lake

778
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: bed in Nevada, and it really is a real place,

779
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: but it was used to test experimental and secret aircraft,

780
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: so things like spy planes that were being tested by

781
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: the Air Force were that was the testing ground and

782
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: it was meant to be this secret area so that

783
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: they could do this test without revealing to the world. Hey,

784
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: this is what we're working on. Um. But it doesn't

785
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: actually have any connection to Roswell. And in fact, Roswell,

786
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and Groom, like Nevada, are not close to

787
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: each other, although there there are theorists too have said

788
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: that that that any potential crash landings at Roswell were

789
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: brought to a secret underground base at area, effect essentially

790
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: shipped across state lines to go to this secret underground base. Uh.

791
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: But uh, you know the Roswell event. By the way,

792
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: in case you're not familiar with that, this is an

793
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: event that happened uh in the I think it was

794
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: in the fifties where uh a resident of New Mexico nine,

795
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, it's a little earlier than I was thinking.

796
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: So seven a resident of essentially Roswell, New Mexico, came

797
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: across this weird stuff. It was a shiny stuff that

798
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: had um It was in a little pile on the ground,

799
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: and for a while people were assuming that it was

800
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: some form of UFO UH from outer space that had

801
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: crashed landed on the Earth. Later on, much later on,

802
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: the military said that what this was was part of

803
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Operation Mogul, which was a spy balloon initiative. It was

804
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: testing out using balloons as spy vehicles to to get

805
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: information and radio it back to some other place. And uh,

806
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: there are plenty of conspiracy theorists who don't accept that

807
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: and who would say that that's not that's not the

808
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: right answer. Although you know, the military for a while

809
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: was very much quiet about what this actually was. But

810
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: then it was because it was a spy program, so

811
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: you don't really want to let everyone know. Yeah, it

812
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: was during the Cold War, you know, people were trying

813
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: to keep things under wraps. So yeah, you know, we've

814
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: seen in recent events how people don't want spy information

815
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: to get out to the general public. But that's an

816
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: entirely different podcast that we do plan on recording, So

817
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: we want to have enough time to be able to

818
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: really cover that in great detail. If you don't know

819
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just look up in Essay and

820
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Prism and that will be this little preview for a

821
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: future episode of tech Stuff. Anyway, in this film, they

822
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: take the assumption that the space ship crash and Roswell

823
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: was in fact an alien spaceship. It was not some balloon.

824
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: It was in fact one of these aliens space and

825
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: it's there are three levels of spaceship and independence stay.

826
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: There is the mother ship, which is the kilometer diameter

827
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: ship hanging out and by the moon. Yes, there are

828
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: the city sized ships that hovered directly over city, thus

829
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: making it easy to tell how big they are because

830
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: you just look at and say, that's the size of

831
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: the city. Uh, not terribly precise, but you know, gets

832
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: the point across. Then you have the fighter ships. These

833
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: are like the tiny little ones that are kind of

834
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: a similar to jet fighters here on Earth. That's kind

835
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: of their purpose, at least in the film, that's what

836
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: it seems to be. So it was one of those

837
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: smaller ones that had apparently crashed in Roswell. And then

838
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: they move the ship and its inhabitants, who two of

839
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: whom are dead, and the third one who dies a

840
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: few days later. Back over to Area fifty one in

841
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: Nevada Underground. So the President is alerted that in fact,

842
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: all of this stuff actually did happen, and he says, well,

843
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: why wasn't I told? And they'd say plausible deniability, so

844
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: that if anyone asked you, you would honestly say that

845
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, because as far as you know, it doesn't.

846
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Although to be fair that the way that security clearance

847
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: is work, just because someone has the highest possible security

848
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: clearances that it's it's it's um, what's the word I'm

849
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: looking for, compartmentalized. Yes, it is very much compartmentalized. So

850
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: just because someone has got the highest levels of security

851
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: clearance doesn't mean that they actually have all the information. Uh.

852
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: You still have to go through all the different channels

853
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: to get it anyway. Uh. So they go to Area

854
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: fifty one where they find a state of the art

855
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: scientific lab where people are top men are working on

856
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: determining what Spiner with long gray hair and glasses uh

857
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: and and coming across as like the the typical science

858
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: geek character with no or limited social So anyway, he

859
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: shows off the ship which they said, has suddenly been

860
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: come active once the uh, the other ships have come

861
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: into the proximity of Earth. And that's actually really cool,

862
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: this concept of of the ships having some kind of

863
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: mesh network. Yeah. Yeah, this this is one of those

864
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: things where I think Independence Day really got it right

865
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: to the point where this is a really cool idea.

866
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: It's this idea of this entire force, this this spaceship

867
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: force that is working on some form of what I

868
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: presume is radio frequency, where that they are communicating all

869
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: with each other so that there can be a truly

870
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: coordinated effort on the part of the entire force. So

871
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: this includes everything from power to communications. So when the

872
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: the fleet gets within the right range of Earth, this

873
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: ship starts to react and we have mesh networks. Now,

874
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: back in we really didn't have mesh networks the way

875
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: we do now. But now we've got networks where you

876
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: can have elements of that network join and drop out, uh,

877
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: spontaneously throughout an entire you know, period of time, whatever

878
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: that period of time you want to be like, uh,

879
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can think of a mesh network from

880
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: everything from a personal size mesh networks. So you're talking

881
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: about like Bluetooth devices that can seamlessly link in and

882
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: link out of it to citywide mesh networks if you

883
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: really wanted to. We talk about smart cars and this

884
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: idea of a smart grid where the cars can kind

885
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: of maneuver through a city autonomously. That's essentially a mesh

886
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: network where every single car is a part of it.

887
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: So this is actually an idea that I thought was

888
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: ahead of its time and made sense. Yeah, So I

889
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: mean kudos to them for coming up with us, because

890
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: it really was a cool idea that we're actually seeing

891
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: put into place in a different implementation. Obviously, we haven't

892
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: invaded any alien planets as far as I'm aware, but

893
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: we have started to use this kind of approach, right. Yeah. Although,

894
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: while while we're on the topic of grids, I I

895
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: did want to kind of point out that no ever

896
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: really talks about the fact that if you destroy this

897
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: many major metropolitan areas, that the electrical grid would probably

898
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: be not good. Yeah, that's true. We don't know where

899
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: everyone's getting their power. Yeah, and you can assume that

900
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: Area fifty one to have its own generators, right right, right, Yeah,

901
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: And but and some of these army bases, I suppose

902
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: have access to power from other places. I mean most

903
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: most of these military bases I suspect do not have

904
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: their own power generating facilities. They might have backup generators,

905
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: but for a limited amount of right anyway, So we

906
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: also know that global communications are down, so they get

907
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: around that by using telegraph wires Morse code, and they

908
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: use Morse code. Uh. I assume they're using Morse code

909
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: simply because the telegraph wires are the most reliable means

910
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: of communicating, rather than some way of masking the communication

911
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: from aliens. How it seems like a little bit of both,

912
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: which confuses me. On on a you're you're still conveying

913
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: information electrically and transcontinentally. Um is a really long I mean,

914
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I find it implausible that

915
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: that wire would have survived. It's well, if it's all underwater,

916
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: if it's under the ocean, then it is possible that

917
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: the that at least some of the telegraph wires have

918
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: have managed to survive, like at least some communication lines

919
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: have survived, the Transatlantic lines. Actually, anything that's under the ocean,

920
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: I have no problem believing that that survived, whether it

921
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: survived enough nodes, So that you could have a dedicated connection.

922
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: But that's one of the good things about the Internet,

923
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: and and it's something that I think we easily look over.

924
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: It's the idea that the way that the transmission protocols

925
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: were designed for the Internet means that if you were

926
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: to lose a large part of the Internet, information could

927
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: still because because it can, it can dynamically route across

928
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: different networks. Now, telegraphs that's different, right, that's not that's

929
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: not divided up into packets of information like an email is.

930
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: It's sent as a direct signal. Um. But I assume

931
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: that they weren't really trying to mask their communications if

932
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: they were. Morse code is not that difficult to crack. Yeah,

933
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: it's just a code. All it is is replacing letters

934
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: with particular uh, a particular dash and dot combination. Certainly,

935
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: if these aliens can can crack art our satellite communication systems,

936
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: then they could definitely, especially if if they've had any

937
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: contact with humans where they understand the concept, because they do.

938
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: They do give you that that feeling that whenever an

939
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: alien makes telepathic contact with a human, which we see

940
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: in this area fifty one scene Brent Spiner, Uh, he

941
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: gets his his brain all taken over, and the president

942
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: does too. Briefly by a telepathic alien. That knowledge is

943
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: shared that the the person who has the telepathic communication

944
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: with the alien learns things about the alien's brain, and

945
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: the alien learns things about the humans brain. So just

946
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: that alone, I mean, even if the even if the

947
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: person that the control doesn't understand Morse code, like they

948
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: don't know Morse code, they probably at least have heard

949
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: what Morse code is, which means the aliens will be like,

950
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: all right, this is a code where they've replaced letters

951
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: with this. I know what the letters are. Let's just

952
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: figure this out and it wouldn't take you long at all.

953
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, once you know the basic rules of language,

954
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: decoding something that's a simple replacement cipher very easy. So

955
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, I don't think it was meant

956
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to mask the communications so much as just be a

957
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: way of people communicating across vast distances once the other

958
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: lines had been cut. I'm I'm wondering, I'm I'm wondering

959
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: right now how the psychic communication part happens, which is

960
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: which is straying a little bit from technology, I understand,

961
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: but it is it is science and and and that's

962
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, because if if you can communicate more or

963
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: less telepathically, and I'm assuming electrically due to the way

964
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: that that that these aliens brains seem to have an

965
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: effect on um memory, muscles systems, and and furthermore, electrical

966
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: systems in the nearby area. It's it's almost like they

967
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: send out kind of an e MP a couple of times.

968
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, and well, you would think that anything

969
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: that would require manipulation of thought would have to work

970
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: on an electrical basis, at least at some point, because

971
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: when you get down to the cellular level. Well, and

972
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: also Brent Spiner talks from the alien's point of view,

973
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: so it becomes a data puppet. You're actually making puppet

974
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: motions with your Yeah, no, no, no, it made perfect sense. Yeah,

975
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: and and yeah, at that point it's your muscular systems

976
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: are electrical. So yeah, so you don't there's no explanation

977
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: of how this telepathic, uh, and why they need to

978
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: use their satellites if they're telepathic, right, yeah, if they

979
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: are telepathy, unless it's the telepathy only works over short distances.

980
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: But this is a gravity drives must get in the way. Sorry, guys,

981
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: get any communication you want all the way now, because

982
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: we're about to start moving, and you know there's no

983
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: talking once we get moving. Um, because they don't they

984
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: don't have any mouths. They cannot speak, but they do

985
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: communicate telepathically. We don't understand much of that. But then

986
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: the movie is told from the point of view of

987
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: the human protagonists, and the humans are a disadvantage because

988
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: they know very little in general about the aliens. So

989
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm even willing to give them a bit of a

990
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: pass on this, saying that the alien physiology and the

991
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: telepathy are beyond our understanding, and we call it telepathy

992
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: because we don't have a word for whatever it is

993
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: they're using. Um, But I agree with you and first

994
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: and also, assuming that there's going to be any kind

995
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: of of compatibility between alien physiology and human physiology where

996
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: this telepathy would work across species is a huge leap.

997
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these are two species that don't

998
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: have any connection to one another at all biologically as

999
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: far as we know, so the ability for telepathy to

1000
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: work across species is a pretty big jump. I just

1001
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: I just had the earnest I apologize for this. I

1002
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: just had the earnest thought, well, it worked really well

1003
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: in Slither. Moving forward, biomechanical suits, So these aliens are

1004
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: actually the When you first see them, there are these big, giant,

1005
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: nasty looking critters, but it turns out that the big giant,

1006
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: nasty looking critter is actually a shell for a smaller

1007
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: nasty looking critter inside of it, and that the shell

1008
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: is a biomechanical suit. This is another thing I thought

1009
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: was really super cool. Yeah, you know, we've got a

1010
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 1: lot of work in exoskeletons here today on Earth. Now,

1011
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: these exoskeletons are mechanical and electronic, they're not biomechanical. But

1012
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: then we're also seeing things like robotic limbs that are

1013
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: designed to mimic the way our biological limb would work,

1014
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: and that's really awesome. Again, still it's mechanical, it's not biomechanical,

1015
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: but we're slowly moving toward what could possibly be a

1016
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: bio mechanical future where perhaps, uh, someone who has to

1017
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: have a limb amputated receives something that's more akin to

1018
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: a bio mechanical arm as opposed to just a mechanical

1019
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: one or or electronic one. So I thought that that

1020
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: was really neat. I did think that the design was weird,

1021
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: specifically the feet, because they have they have they have

1022
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: these tentacles that are kind of curled under, like sloth toes,

1023
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: and I think they look they look like they are

1024
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: um like they're rigid to me. So to me, they

1025
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: look like not like tentacles, but like these toes that

1026
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: are curled around. I think that was a that was

1027
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: a limitation of the puppet that was being used on

1028
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: the practical effects. I think I think that it was

1029
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: supposed to be the same wiggly tentacle that we saw

1030
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: being wiggly and pneumatic earlier. As totally sad that you

1031
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: guys can't see this because when Lauren, when Lauren demonstrates

1032
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: wiggly tentacles, she's she's looking a bit like a frantic muppet.

1033
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: Um to be fairy usually look a bit like a

1034
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: frantic muppet. I think we'll have to shoot the video

1035
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: version of this podcast at some point so we can

1036
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: see that the tentacles. We will both do our own version.

1037
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: Is Google glasses coming. I'll be getting my my parent

1038
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: a couple of days. Um. Yeah, But anyway, I just

1039
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: thought that the feet were weird. But if they were

1040
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be tentacles that are actually flexible. That makes

1041
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: more sense to me. But if they were supposed to

1042
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: be these rigid, weird, curled backward toe things, that's not

1043
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: the best foundation for your bipedal suit. Maybe on their

1044
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: planet the gravity is different, so it's like that C. S.

1045
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Lewis C. S. Lewis novel. Maybe they just all hang

1046
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: upside down from trees and they have to hook their

1047
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: toes onto the tree limbs in order to be able

1048
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: to move, and so they're not normally walking on ground.

1049
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, So then the next note I

1050
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: have actually involves a plot point in not not just

1051
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: the science. Yeah, yes, the movie does have a plot.

1052
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: But the president's wife is injured in a helicopter crash.

1053
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: The president's wife, of course, being played by President Laura

1054
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: from Battlestar Galactica. Right, so the president's wife is injured,

1055
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: uh critically, but she has specifically Yeah, yeah, there's it's

1056
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: very vague. There's internal bleeding. That's all we know. She's

1057
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: she's suffered the internal bleeding injury, and the duration of

1058
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: which is it will let her live just long enough

1059
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: for her to have with her husband just before passing away.

1060
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: And then of course you get the little daughter saying

1061
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: is mommy sleeping and the president saying, yes she is,

1062
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: and then the sad moment, like again, not a subtle

1063
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: movie is Independence Day? Uh. They like to take emotion

1064
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: and whack you right upside the head with it in

1065
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: a very clumsy, ham fisted manner, kind of similar to

1066
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: the way that they they depict America and all of

1067
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: the world Like it's just a it's a it's a

1068
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: very simple, simple representation of emotion and politics. Um. Now

1069
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: we get into the part of the movie that everyone

1070
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: remembers whenever anyone has a discussion about Independence Day and

1071
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: science and technology. This is the part that everyone brings

1072
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: up right right, because this the entire plot hinges upon

1073
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: Jeff gold Bloom's characters. We keep saying Jeff Goldbloom is

1074
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: though he was actually there. Um, I was not paying

1075
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: that much attention, I have to say. Um, his his

1076
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: concept is Okay, So we can't destroy these ships because

1077
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: they're shielded. Um, but I can program a virus on

1078
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: my Mac and if we can get that virus into

1079
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: the ships, then we can take down the shields and

1080
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: then blow the ships up. You know this is ah,

1081
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: this is just a mostly due to a gross misunderstanding

1082
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: of what exactly a computer viruses. So in this movie

1083
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: a computer we're using a word that it's you keep

1084
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: using no word. I don't know if what you think

1085
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: it means. Yeah, if we did an episode about Princess

1086
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Bright to be much shorter, but it would just be

1087
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: us quoting is all it would be. You can do

1088
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: that with your friends. I do with my friends all

1089
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, the the in this film a

1090
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: computer virus is essentially saying, this will turn the shields off.

1091
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: That's all this computer virus does. So it's really more

1092
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: like a command, sending a command to like the shield thing,

1093
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: switch that to the off position and keep it off

1094
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: for as long as you possibly can. But they call

1095
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: it a computer virus. Now, typically computer viruses do one

1096
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: of a few things. You're very basic. Computer worm, the

1097
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: the old style computer virus that was really just meant

1098
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: to cause as much mischief as possible was a self

1099
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: replicating piece of code that if you were to execute,

1100
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: it would start to copy itself and to whatever medium

1101
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: you were using, so like a hard drive, so it

1102
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: would copy itself to your hard drive filling up your

1103
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: hard drive space and making your computer essentially unusable. Also

1104
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: your your computer's memory, so it just kind of bricks

1105
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: your computer. Uh. Then there were the kinds that would

1106
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: try to wipe all the data off, you know, just

1107
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: essentially reform at your computer. Then there were the kinds

1108
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: that were designed to to take advantage of a vulnerability

1109
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: in whatever operating system you were using, so that someone

1110
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: could get access to your machine. Administrative level access here

1111
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: either lock you out and grant someone else access or

1112
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: simply grant someone else. Right. Yeah, so the whole backdoor

1113
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: access and thing where you can get access to another

1114
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: person's machine. You might not you might not lock them

1115
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: out at all, so that they seem to think that

1116
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: everything is working fine. They don't. To them, it doesn't

1117
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: seem to be any different. It might be, but then

1118
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: someone else is running the game and trying to use

1119
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: your computer to do various things. Um, So that those

1120
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: are your basic types of malware. I mean there are

1121
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: other kinds as well. They're phishing scams, things that do

1122
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: key logging to try and figure out what it is

1123
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: that you're typing. But that's kind of the basics for

1124
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: computer viruses. They're not necessarily something that you know, does

1125
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: very specific functions. So here here are the multiple problems

1126
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: I have here. One one is that you have an

1127
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: alien computer system and a human computer system that are

1128
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: at all compatible. Just as biology being compatible is really implausible,

1129
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: computer systems is incredibly implausible. And and again I'm almost

1130
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: willing to give him a pass on the aliens studying

1131
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: us enough to have figured out our satellite communication systems, um,

1132
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't know how long they've been

1133
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: studying us. That's that's sure, and they're aliens, that's fine

1134
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: at least since right, But if you're just watching Jeff Goldbloom,

1135
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: if it's just one dude over the course of like

1136
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: a day. Yeah, And and the idea, even if they've

1137
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: been studying the alien technology aboard this ship, I doubt

1138
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: that they had had any luck. And a you know,

1139
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: clearly they said that the ship had not been operational

1140
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: at all until a couple of days like since the right,

1141
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: so they didn't didn't have any access to the computer

1142
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: system there. There's no reason their computer systems would run

1143
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: on the same sort of binary system that we use. Now.

1144
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: The fact that our system uses this particular form of

1145
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: computer science is because that's what was working for us.

1146
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: But there's no guarantee that any other society would develop

1147
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: computers the same way we did, So there's no and

1148
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: even if they did, there's no guarantee that there would

1149
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: be an easy way to interface one system with another.

1150
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: How do you connect a an Earth based computer so

1151
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: that you can actually send a virus to a an

1152
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: alien technology? This is They didn't even have Bluetooth. Yeah,

1153
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: they're they're not, they're not. Well, you know, it appears

1154
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: that you just have to get close enough and you

1155
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: can magically do it. But which would be like Bluetooth?

1156
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't you know, there's there's

1157
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: no explanation for that. It's it's just it's simply this

1158
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: is a plot device meant to let the heroes have

1159
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: their chance at overcoming odds. Yeah. Yeah, And I understand

1160
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: it from a a story beat perspective, like this is

1161
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: what we need to do in order for there to

1162
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: be this heroic moment. I completely get that. From an

1163
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: actual computer science perspective, it makes no sense. Um, there

1164
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: are some people who say, wow, it makes no sense

1165
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: that he's using a MAC. I want to address that

1166
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: very quickly. So we think of Max as being largely

1167
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: virus proof, not so much as today as much as

1168
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: we used to. But I would argue that the reason

1169
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: why Max were less likely to fall victim to viruses

1170
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: is due to two things. One, Apple does lock it

1171
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: system down really tightly, so that does help. The fact

1172
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: that that that's so locked down meant that it was

1173
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: not as accessible to people who wanted to write code

1174
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: they could take advantage of it. Yeah, yeah, it was

1175
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: more difficult. But also there were fewer Mac users for

1176
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: a very long time, exactly, Lauren. That is that is

1177
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: the key, right, There are fewer Max when you look

1178
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: at and so if you're trying to cause havoc, then

1179
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: really your your best bang for your back is to

1180
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: go after. Yeah, you want to go after because you

1181
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: certainly can't rule out but alternate although I mean Windows

1182
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: really was the thing you aimed for because Windows had

1183
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: the majority of the share, so you want to go

1184
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: for a target rich environment. Now you could say that

1185
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: Windows was more had more vulnerabilities than Apples systems, which

1186
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue that I think that's true.

1187
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: But it's not that the Mac was immune to viruses.

1188
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: It's that it had a lot working for it to

1189
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: prevent people from even trying to write virus. Yeah, because

1190
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: if they're like, well, I could try and write a

1191
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: virus for Mac and it might work, but I'm going

1192
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: to hit five of the computer population when I could

1193
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: aim for nine percent, which is going to get bigger

1194
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: results for me. I might as well focus on that. Anyway,

1195
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the fact that he's

1196
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: using a Mac to design this code. My problem is

1197
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: it shouldn't work anyway. Whether it's a Mac or a

1198
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: PC or a Linux machine Unix doesn't matter because you're

1199
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: talking about an alien computer system and a human computer system,

1200
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter which operating system you're using. Um.

1201
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's his idea, and he shows it off

1202
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: an Area fifty one. He's able to turn the shields

1203
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: off and activate the ship's flight controls because apparently, once

1204
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: you're able to connect to your computer to the alien computer,

1205
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: you know what everything does. Like, think about all the

1206
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: systems that would be required to make an alien ship work,

1207
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: especially considering the fact that uh, Jeff Goldblum's character David.

1208
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: It is David because because when he boot boots up

1209
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: his laptop reference, the two thousand one reference of Dave.

1210
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, uh, good Morning Day. Don't reference better movies

1211
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: in your movies, people, um just reference worst movies. Grant,

1212
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to guess which movies are worse until you're done.

1213
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: But you know, aim for really bad ones because then

1214
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: the odds are in your favor. Anyway, he there's the

1215
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: two thousand one reference good Morning Day. So he's David

1216
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: and Steve is Will Smith's characters. So Steve and Dave

1217
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: get into their alienship and blast off to go after

1218
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: the mothership. Right, Well, think of all the systems that

1219
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: are required to make that work. You have to have

1220
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: the propulsion systems, the flight systems, you have to have

1221
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: the life support systems. Thank goodness, these aliens breathe oxygen,

1222
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: right because they're they're they're going into space. I mean

1223
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: also just from a from a piloting standpoint, Will Smith's

1224
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: character just gets in there and kind of does it.

1225
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,919
Speaker 1: And because he's seen how they fly so like as

1226
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: in he's watched the ships go. Yeah, he's seen how

1227
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: they move through an atmosphere. Therefore he knows how they

1228
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: fly and in space too, because he's not space trained people.

1229
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: I've seen jets fly, I could not fly it. Yet.

1230
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: I've seen helicopters fly. I could not fly a helicopter.

1231
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: Just because I've seen how they move through a certain

1232
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: area doesn't mean I can fly them. Well, I mean,

1233
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's a trained fighter pilot. Um, maybe a

1234
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: more apt description would be, you know, I've seen people

1235
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: drive mac trucks, but I don't know how to drive

1236
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: a diesel truck. Okay, how about this. I have piloted

1237
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: a ship that was a sailing ship. I have never

1238
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: driven a motor boat. But both of them do move

1239
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: through the water. The propulsion systems are totally different, but

1240
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah. See, That's what I'm saying is that

1241
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: being an expert on one does not mean that you're

1242
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: an expert on the other. However, for the purposes of

1243
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: dramatic effect, let's let it go. We're giving this movie

1244
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: a lot of passes right now. Um. Also, we know

1245
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: that this episode has gone on really long, but so

1246
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: we've got that. That's the big one. Everyone points out

1247
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: is this computer virus that is designed to turn off

1248
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: the shields, and of course their goal is they have

1249
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: to get aboard the mothership in order for this to work,

1250
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: there's no way for them to beam the code directly

1251
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: to the mothership. They never explain how it is that

1252
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: by just getting into the proximity of the ship they're

1253
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: able to get the code into the mothership. They don't

1254
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: explain that. So apparently proximity is necessary, but we don't

1255
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: know why, Like why do you have that the mac

1256
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: into a into a magnetic port within the ship and

1257
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: then through the magnetic docking mechanism. That's it. Clearly they

1258
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: get aboard. They get aboard the alienship and like, oh sweet,

1259
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: it's got FireWire. We're good to go. Man, we would

1260
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: have been so boned if we hadn't had FireWire in here.

1261
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: It's clear it's UM. Yeah. And also, like all other

1262
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: programmers and hackers from the ninety nineties, he uses a

1263
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: a animated skull Jolly Roger in the symbol of the virus. Yeah.

1264
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: Do that. And of course they deliver a nuclear bomb

1265
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: that has a thirty second timer on it to UM

1266
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: to destroy the mothership and then get out. There's no

1267
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: explanation as to why they picked thirty seconds other than

1268
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: the fact again Germanic effect, The idea being that this

1269
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: gives the heroes and even uh tougher challenge to escape

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Speaker 1: the blast radius of a nuclear bomb before they are

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Speaker 1: affected by it. Um and I haven't personally done the

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Speaker 1: math on Half Past too, would have to fly in

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Speaker 1: order to outfly an explosion. But I'm I'm almost I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's at least not outrunning an explosion, so I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of it's a little better. It's a little better

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Speaker 1: than having to outrun an explosion. Now, there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: outrunning explosions in this movie too, especially in the arts

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Speaker 1: where the cities are being destroyed. But if y I, folks,

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Speaker 1: don't try not to ever put yourself in a position

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Speaker 1: where you need to outrun an explosion because you would die.

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Speaker 1: Explosions move faster than you can run. Even you Usain Bolt,

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Speaker 1: don't try it. So, yeah, it's the we're getting towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the movie here. So we've got the

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Speaker 1: explosion of the mother Ship, which is really odd. You

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Speaker 1: pointed this out to Lauren that the explosion for the

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Speaker 1: Mothership has this weird kind of disc explosion, like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't explode out in all directions. Yeah, it explodes out

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Speaker 1: in a plane like a plane as in a horizontal plane.

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Speaker 1: It's like you think of a plate that's been smashed

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Speaker 1: into a thousand pieces and there's just spreads apart, like

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Speaker 1: in a horizontal plane, it doesn't go out in all directions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're different. Maybe it's just because the way the ship

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Speaker 1: was built that's just really really secure on the top

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Speaker 1: and bottom, but the outer edge is just just paper mache,

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Speaker 1: just paper mache. Um. We don't know what it is

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Speaker 1: that really causes the massive explosion within the the ship itself,

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Speaker 1: I mean, apart from a nuclear bomb going off. But

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Speaker 1: again one nuclear bomb would not be enough to destroy

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Speaker 1: a ship of that mass. We found the gas tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're thinking like maybe there's fusion coils or something that

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Speaker 1: were affected and that created some sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the nuclear bomb actually fell down

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Speaker 1: a ventilation shaft that led directly to the reactor core.

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: And then Alderon I might be thinking of a different movie.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think you are. And then the very

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Speaker 1: end of the movie has Stephen Dave, who you know,

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: you don't know if they've survived, but surprised they did,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're walking down the desert and they're greeted

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Speaker 1: by their respective women folk, and they are children folk

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Speaker 1: and children folk, and they are embraced and everyone's happy.

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Speaker 1: And then uh, Steve will Smith's character leans down to

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Speaker 1: his uh, the little boy that would would be his

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Speaker 1: adopted son essentially or his stepson, should he because he

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Speaker 1: has a stepson now, because I forgot he got married,

1315
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,440
Speaker 1: because you have to have that yet another emotionally manipulative

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: moment um, So his stepson. He says to a stepson,

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Speaker 1: didn't I promise you fireworks? That I thought? And only

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and twelve million people had to die for

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: those fireworks to happen. And see, there's so much more

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Speaker 1: in this movie. There's the part where where David the

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Speaker 1: Jeff Goldblum character is writing to Washington, d C. With

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Speaker 1: his dad and he opens up his laptop to pull

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Speaker 1: up a while in the car in the car WiFi. Essentially, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's not he's not. I seriously doubt that he was

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: using any kind of really primitive cellular data network to

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: pull this information, especially since that was represented by graphics.

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01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: It must have been stored locally on the computer. But

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: he pulls up all um all phone books in the

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: United States in order to find his ex wife's phone number,

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: and uh, I just thought it was funny they didn't

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: just have the phone number written down that This was

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: obviously another one of those moments was designed to show

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01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: you that this guy is good for computers, computers, that

1334
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: this guy are good friends. But it is also funny

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Speaker 1: to think that today anyone with a phone can look

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Speaker 1: up a phone book anywhere. Yeah, the Internet, and we

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01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: do that now. Back in the web was young, it

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: did exist, but it wasn't as robust as it is today.

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Speaker 1: So I mean there was no Google back so that

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: would have made it harder all by itself. Um, yeah,

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01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: there's some there's some really odd moments in this movie. Now,

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Speaker 1: all that being said, we do understand, like we said

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show, for entertainment, it is

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Speaker 1: for entertainment purposes. And and as much as Jonathan and

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: I are kind of you know, ratings rating it a

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: little bit right now, it is I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: parts of it that are that are very entertaining and

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: very funny, and and it's it's designed. It's designed to

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Speaker 1: be a popcorn movie. Know that gives it some somewhat

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01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: of a pass. Uh. And you know, if they had

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: tried to make a movie that was as scientifically and

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: technically accurate as possible, it probably would not have been

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01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: as entertaining. Maybe they could have avoided some of the

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: more melodramatic, emotionally manipulative scenes, which I find I don't know.

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Speaker 1: At the time. At the time, I didn't find it

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Speaker 1: as irritating, but I was also dumber. But as as

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: an adult, you get more aware of that kind of thing.

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01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I I certainly don't fault

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Speaker 1: especially big blockbuster movies like this on on being light

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01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: on the science, but but things that are just just

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Speaker 1: blatantly not not science. Yeah, I'm kind of like, didn't

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Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't anyone. I mean this the script had

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Speaker 1: to have gone through multiple, multiple treatments and all kinds

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Speaker 1: of eyes, and I mean studios like that are huge,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was enormous. I think, I think what

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Speaker 1: would be fun to do, maybe in the future, is

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Speaker 1: to come up with our list of movies that have

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Speaker 1: the the worst portrayal of science and technology and not

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: necessarily go through it like this like that. This was

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Speaker 1: a special thing that we did because I jokingly said

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: that we should do it, and then our so so

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01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: this is what you get. But maybe in the future

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01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: will do more of an episode where we just kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about some of the more ridiculous depictions of technology,

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: like hackers, which has some really awful awful sequences. Like

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Speaker 1: essentially anything that has depicted hacking as some sort of video.

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Speaker 1: The net is another great one. Anything anything we're hacking

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: is essentially like you are. You are actually making your

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Speaker 1: way through a three dimensional castle and you have to

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Speaker 1: avoid skeletons, and this is actually the way hacking works.

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Speaker 1: And if you can get to the treasure room, you

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01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: get the files. There is a movie like that. I

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: can show you the video clip after this is done,

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll do that at some point and just

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01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of give you a rundown on some of the

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Speaker 1: movies that have maybe do a few that are that

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: are really good. Yeah, there are a few out there

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: that have done some great some great work and representing

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Speaker 1: what technology can actually do. And keeping in mind when

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Speaker 1: you're doing science fiction, you know you kind of the

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: science part is really there to let you do stuff

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Speaker 1: that normally we could never do. So it's really taking

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: the place of magic like in fantasy. Uh, the goal

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01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: of science fiction is to make it at least sound

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: plausible or seem plausible through technology. Um, in this case,

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01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: all the alien stuff we can kind of give a

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: pass too, because you just say that we don't understand it.

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: All the human stuff doesn't get that kind of free

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Speaker 1: ride anyway. That wraps up this discussion, this long discussion

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Speaker 1: about Independence Day. Happy Independence Day, all of my fellow Americans. UM,

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Speaker 1: and hey, remember world today, July three is our tech

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