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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March twenty four, two twenty one, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number one oh two. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break. We are alive in the s WBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick, Amber and Dave

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Speaker 1: with me, and we're we get the free agency. Now.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have made some moves. They've signed five players, they've

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Speaker 1: lost five plays years, they resigned a few of their own. Um,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to spend the show talking about what

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Speaker 1: getting these guys opinions on what they think. Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: start first with just the big overall um and the

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Speaker 1: big question. How do you think the Cowboys have done

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Speaker 1: from the standpoint of their approach to free agency this year?

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Speaker 1: Was there anything that stood out to you or was

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Speaker 1: it pretty much kind of what you expect. It'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, Nick, It's what I expected. It's what we

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Speaker 1: all expected, honestly, and uh, you know, they they they

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Speaker 1: made a splash when when they signed Dak Prescott and

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Speaker 1: at that position. They have high profile players at a

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Speaker 1: lot of positions that they that's their strategy. They resigned

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Speaker 1: their own. They don't have a lot and they've been

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Speaker 1: bargain shopping. They did it last year, didn't work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've done it several years, and then they're doing it

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Speaker 1: it's it's all they really have to do because they

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money. Amber, I guess, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's fine right now. It's just so hard

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Speaker 1: the season actually starts, So it's hard to tell right now.

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Speaker 1: I am, I guess a letter curious to see what

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Speaker 1: look at it, but just overall, nothing that we didn't expect. Really,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about it here since forever. This is

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Speaker 1: some moves on defense specifically, so that's a good positive, Dave.

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Speaker 1: just I mean, it might as well be a handbook

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk specifically about each of these deals

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Speaker 1: You know, they only had seventeen or eighteen million going

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Speaker 1: and Wolf structures contract. We'll figure it out. Absolutely. Like

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Speaker 1: what's the guy's name from the Ram McQuaid. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: know what, go back and watch every high school, college

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Friday. How many bad snaps do you see? Well,

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Speaker 1: back to when they were making that transition from hell astray. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is a second segment of The Break

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Speaker 1: Live from the SWBC Mortage studio at the Stars, Nick

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Speaker 1: and Dave and Amber and we're talking Cowboys football. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about free agency. We're about a weekend at this point,

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Speaker 1: and so let's go through some of these additions that

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have made. I want you guys to talk

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Speaker 1: to me. I'll throw out a name, and I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to give me your thoughts on the signing

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Speaker 1: and where you think they fit, because there are some

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Speaker 1: interesting ones in here, particularly the first one we went

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Speaker 1: to get to about where they fit and how the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys may use him. Let's start with safety Kean O'Neil.

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Speaker 1: He was originally a first round pick seventeenth overall pick

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen of the Falcons. He signed a one year,

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Speaker 1: four million dollar deal, three million of that is guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the signing and where does

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Speaker 1: he fit? Well? I think that it's he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that's going to probably play closer to the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage and then back. He's had three healthy years. He

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Speaker 1: gets a hundred tackles every time in those three years,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, there's been some talking he's going

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Speaker 1: to play some linebacker. This scheme is going to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit different. I think that he'll you know,

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Speaker 1: right now, we're calling him a safety. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: what everybody that's been on record to talk about it

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Speaker 1: has said has said nothing different than that, because there

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Speaker 1: hasn't been anyone talking about it. So we call him

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Speaker 1: a safety. But I think he could play closer to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. I think, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: people get too caught up in trying to label. I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to do a lot of stuff. I

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Speaker 1: think I think it's probably their best signing so far.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pump him up as the answer

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Speaker 1: to all of their defensive woes, but this is a

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Speaker 1: great intersection of talented player who's still young. He's only

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Speaker 1: twenty five, he's been new a Pro Bowl. He's had

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Speaker 1: some injuries, but to Nick's point, when he's been healthy,

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Speaker 1: he's been productive, he's not your center fielder, he's not

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Speaker 1: that guy, but he's a thumper. He's going to tackle everybody.

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Speaker 1: I would play him at strong safety close to the line.

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Speaker 1: Don't freak out about Donovan Wilson because he can move

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Speaker 1: down Like, no, he's not gonna play will linebacker all

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Speaker 1: the time, but he can play nickel linebacker. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: shocked if he's your linebacker in dime packages just to

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Speaker 1: get speed on the field. That was what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: maybe half basically, what would be three safeties with him

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Speaker 1: being a linebacker. Yeah, sure, and we've seen I know

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Speaker 1: it was Rod not dan Quinn, but we've seen them

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Speaker 1: play three safeties back at times as well. They did

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Speaker 1: that with JJ Wilcox when he was still here. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Heath kind of got his break as that third safety,

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Speaker 1: so he could do that. I won't I won't be

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Speaker 1: surprised at all if he played like him and Layton

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Speaker 1: could play nicol linebacker in obvious passing situations because that

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Speaker 1: was Jalen's biggest problem arguably last year. So yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing, and that's great. You can you know,

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Speaker 1: you can find three or four different roles for him,

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Speaker 1: So like I said, I'm not trying to I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's Jamal Adams, but he could be that

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Speaker 1: type of guy, and I think that's the type of

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Speaker 1: signing I like to see them do. For sure. I

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Speaker 1: do have a doubt or more of a question for

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Speaker 1: you guys in general, as I look at the whole

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Speaker 1: list of free agent guys that they've signed, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's very common throughout the league for players to

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Speaker 1: have some type of versatility where they can switch around

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Speaker 1: from place to place, you know, But a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys, like we just talked about Neil and then

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Speaker 1: these other defensive players that it's whether tackle or defensive end,

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Speaker 1: like where are you at? And I get it. We

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Speaker 1: don't like to label or whatever, and it depends on

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Speaker 1: the scheme or and all that. But I can't help

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Speaker 1: but always think about Tyrone Crawford, and I know he

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Speaker 1: was a key guy because you need guys like that,

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Speaker 1: But in general, I mean, is it more of a

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Speaker 1: problem or a concern or like to have so many

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Speaker 1: guys that have that kind of versatility, or is it

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Speaker 1: better to have a guy that has a specific role

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Speaker 1: assigned and focus on a specific place on the field.

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Speaker 1: Slash scheme. Do you guys see that like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: do you see the versatility as a pro or could

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Speaker 1: that actually come back and bite them in the butt

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Speaker 1: type of stuff like you've been talking about that for years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in this particular case, I don't think it's a major

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Speaker 1: issue because like for Tyrone Crawford, you know, yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: he could play inside, he could play outside. But like

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, he's got to figure out do I

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Speaker 1: wait two nineties or I need to wait two sixty

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Speaker 1: five to seventy? Am I gonna play end? Am I

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Speaker 1: gonna play tackle? Because and that's a big difference. But

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Speaker 1: I think for Neil, I think what Dave is saying

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Speaker 1: about how they're gonna play him is first and second down,

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Speaker 1: maybe over here, third down, closer to the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just gonna I think he understands the scheme.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think I think they know exactly how

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Speaker 1: they're gonna play him. We may not know, And so

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Speaker 1: we look at it like is he a linebackers he safety?

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Speaker 1: I think he's you know, Darren Woodson played linebacker on

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Speaker 1: Nickel Kenny Gant the Shark. He played linebacker and nickel.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just how you want to play a

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Speaker 1: fast guys down in a in a situation like that.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna play I think, the same body level

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Speaker 1: that he was, and he's a veteran. He understands where

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Speaker 1: he's doing. So it's a great question. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think as as far as a safety who might play

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Speaker 1: some linebacker, I don't think it's that big a difference

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Speaker 1: the rest of the guys. I mean, I know we're

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Speaker 1: about to go through them, eat each of them, but

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Speaker 1: just in general, a general idea, you think that they

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Speaker 1: go into the season kind of having a role for

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Speaker 1: each guy or kind of you know, because we hear

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Speaker 1: it prior to the season started, like press conferences at

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Speaker 1: the draft that we hear like Steven Jones be like, well,

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Speaker 1: if we need him at a safety or a corner,

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Speaker 1: we can switch. Here's the thing you got a factor in.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we don't know yet. Is this going to

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Speaker 1: be a four to three or a hybrid four three

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Speaker 1: three four? Right? If this is going to be the

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Speaker 1: kind of defense where they're gonna morph based upon kind

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Speaker 1: of the situation. Sometimes they have four down line and

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Speaker 1: sometimes they will morph intwo or three four. If they're

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Speaker 1: going to do that, they need some guys that are flexible,

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Speaker 1: like like, for example, if you bring in a guy Terrell,

576
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Speaker 1: bash them if you bring him in. He is that

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Speaker 1: type of stand up He's been that traditional stand up

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker that you would think can also slide down

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Speaker 1: and become a hand on the ground own defensive end. Right,

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Speaker 1: But you can need those kind of guys that can

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Speaker 1: do either. Randy Gregor would be another guy that's like that.

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Speaker 1: So you would need that sort of versatility if you're

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Speaker 1: going to be that kind of defense and those defenses,

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Speaker 1: and there are some around the league that do that,

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Speaker 1: that kind of morph between different fronts based upon what

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Speaker 1: the situation is in the game and based upon the opponent.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that that has to be factored in.

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Speaker 1: And we don't know that yet. We haven't nobody in

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Speaker 1: this room has had a chance to talk to Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know what his thoughts are. And even

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Speaker 1: when we do talk to him, I'm not sure he's

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Speaker 1: going to be as fourth. Right with that, we might

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Speaker 1: not know that until we get to training camp or

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Speaker 1: until we get to the season. So all I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is with regards of versatility, I think we have to

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Speaker 1: wait and learn more about that. And if they are

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Speaker 1: going to be a hybrid defense, then they're gonna need versail. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have to be versatile and be able to

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Speaker 1: move around based upon the front that they're playing. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's the aspect that I keep forgetting about that.

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Speaker 1: We do have a new guy, dan Quinn, and we

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Speaker 1: don't know how he thinks, but I guess my mentality

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Speaker 1: and judgment goes more based on what we've seen in

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Speaker 1: the past and what the things that we've heard in

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Speaker 1: the past. It's like, okay, but I do okay. We

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Speaker 1: have not heard from dan Quinn and we have no

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Speaker 1: idea what his plan is. So that's a yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah. I think Urban, Brent Urban is

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Speaker 1: gonna be the Tyrone Crawford um of you know this

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Speaker 1: this type this team, because I mean, he's played some

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Speaker 1: defensive end, he's played some tackle, he's played in a

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Speaker 1: three to four and in a four to three, so

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Speaker 1: you know, And as it was, I have I have

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Speaker 1: a good friend who's a big time Bears fan, and

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Speaker 1: he told me good solid player, nothing flashy, but he's

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Speaker 1: dependable and he'll he'll get the job to About Crawford,

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Speaker 1: they were talking about it was funny, but that's my point.

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Speaker 1: He sent that to me about Urban and I said,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. I could say the exact same thing about

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, who you just signed. He was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the money's different, so it's not that's not what you

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Speaker 1: want for your quarterback. Dependable, flashy, gonna get the job done.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, nothing great, all right. I will

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Speaker 1: say this though, too, about Keyan O'Neil. If you remember

625
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Speaker 1: back to that that team at Atlanta put on the

626
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Speaker 1: field that went to the Super Bowl, he was that

627
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Speaker 1: defense was pretty good that year, and he was one

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Speaker 1: of the leaders of that defense. He was one of

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Speaker 1: the better players on that defense. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the part that makes me a little bit optimistic of

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Speaker 1: what he can be here. Now. Again, that was years ago,

632
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Speaker 1: but at that time they had they had that defense

633
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Speaker 1: was flying around and there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that thought that. Of course their offense was really really good,

635
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of people thought that they were on

636
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: their way to making that defense in the mold of

637
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: what they had in Seattle and things just kind of

638
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: fell apart on him. A lot of that had to

639
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: do with injuries, but certainly he has that kind of

640
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: ability and we'll see if he can recreate that here

641
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. One of the questions I have for

642
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you guys on Keian O'Neil, are you at all concerned

643
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: because he is the same type of player to some

644
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: degree as Wilson And as you said, Nick, we believe

645
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: that Donovan Wilson can play. Are you all concerned about

646
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: now basically him having to take a step back with

647
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: regards to his time on the field because the project

648
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: we would project, I would think right now most of

649
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: us probably project the Kiano Neil making four million dollars

650
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: this year is going to be your starter. Are you

651
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: all concerned that Wilson's gonna have to take a step

652
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: back and not necessarily get as mini STAPs as he

653
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: would get otherwise? Ha ha. Clinton Dix was making three

654
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and a half, So great point, just saying they, I mean,

655
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: and I like the Keanu at at with the Cowboys

656
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: track record of adding quality free agents, should I just

657
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: assume you're saying that's not even fair. I'm just saying

658
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't trust that this is going to work,

659
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: at least not completely. They don't. They don't deserve that

660
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in my opinion. UM, I think

661
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neil will make the team and start and be

662
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: pretty good. So so with that being said, are you

663
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: concerned about Wilson in his development? No, Like there's I

664
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: think they play eleven hundred snaps a season. They're like,

665
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: there's more than enough to go around. Um, I like,

666
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I hesitate to say this because there's no way to

667
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: say it without sounding like a hater. Donovan Wilson looked

668
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: great last year. I'm not convinced that, like he's not

669
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: so good that I'm like, well, he's like, you gotta

670
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: he's gotta be on the field. You gotta like like, no,

671
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: go to training camp and somebody will emerge and it'll

672
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: be fine. Well that's basically how I feel about it.

673
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: Most of the time. Those guys, you know, can play together.

674
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, most safeties are interchangeable and you can play

675
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: them that way. These guys, neither one of them is

676
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: a center fielder type, so I wouldn't think you're gonna

677
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: put them on the field if it's only two safeties

678
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: on the field. I wouldn't think youre going to play

679
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: them together, right or am I'm missing something? What about

680
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: what we just? I mean, how much time to teams

681
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: spend in nickel and dime these days? So you can

682
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: move Kean O'Neil down and Nickel roll and have Donovan

683
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Wilson be your strong safety like and that's kinda to

684
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: go back to your point. Ag is in my mind

685
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: in the modern NFL, and this is simplistic, but like

686
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the only the only positions that are fixed on the

687
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: back end are the boundary corners, like you need two

688
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: guys out there covering the two main wide receivers. Everything

689
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: else is just sort of nebulous, Like I mean, the

690
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Patriots are a perfect example of that, Like they never

691
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: look the same. They got guys wandering all over the place.

692
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Somebody's up, somebody's down. Yeah, So that just there's a

693
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: million roles to go around, and if you can play football,

694
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: you'll be on the field. You had two interceptions last

695
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: year Wilson, and I believe both of them if I

696
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: remember correctly, we're both. He was kind of playing in

697
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: center field and kind of made a play. One of

698
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: the ball bounced to him. Um, but with this, with

699
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: this team and interceptions, I mean, the ball just doesn't

700
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: bounce to a lot of players, so it happens. He

701
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: also made a nice play on the ball for an interception,

702
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: and I guess the forty nine ers game where you know,

703
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: made a play. So I think he can. I don't

704
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: think he's your ball hawk for you pretty safety, but

705
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: you think he could in situation he could. I think

706
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: he needs to be on the field. I think he's

707
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: going to continue to get better. I wouldn't worry about it.

708
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just funny. It's like here we are,

709
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about you think we could have too many safeties,

710
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: Like that's a great point, and again that's laughable. I

711
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: have a high opinion of Donovan Wilson, so I'm like

712
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: reluctant to say this, but it's kind of you know,

713
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: all through last week, people were like, what do you

714
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: mean we're not adding new talent? This defense was awful,

715
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: the worst ever. They're so bad, and then Donovan Wilson

716
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: comes up in conversation, it's like, well, he's amazing, Like

717
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, like you can't you can't mess with Donovan

718
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Wilson's playing time. And I just I think he's a

719
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: promising young player, but I'm just I'm not as ready

720
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: to annoint him as some people are. All right, let's

721
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: jump to offensive tackle, tie and Secky. I hope I'm

722
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: pronouncing that correctly. Is that Secky correct? All right? So

723
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: he was an undrafted player back in twenty twelve with

724
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Cowboys signed him to a one year,

725
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: one point seven five million dollars deal five hundred thousand

726
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: dollars that guaranteed he will be the guy that is projected.

727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: I think we all project him to be your swing

728
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: tackle because Cam Irving has now left the building. What

729
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: do you think of the signing? Where does he fit

730
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: and is it good enough as your swing tackle in

731
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: a situation because this is the key where both your

732
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: starting tackles are coming off season ending injuries last year.

733
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I hope they don't think so. I mean, that's that's

734
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: my answer. I guess. I mean, that's it's fine. That's

735
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: what they do every year. And for the most part,

736
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: these guys haven't been great, but they haven't been terrible.

737
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming handled it okay at times. Irving when he

738
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: got a chance later in the season, he was okay,

739
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: but especially like one year deal for a thirty five

740
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: year old player who I think Rob Rob pointed this

741
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: out that he's got two more starts in his career

742
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: than Terrence Steele made last year. So yeah, it wasn't

743
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: really an upgrade. All yeah, that's what we're talking. And

744
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I will say, I love this guy's story. It's awesome.

745
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Undrafted player in two thousand and nine, kicked around the

746
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Arena League for like four years, had a cup of

747
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: coffee in the NFL, got sent back to the Arena League,

748
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: went to this Canadian Football League, and then finally played

749
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: well enough to stick around in Washington for a few years.

750
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: And this is his third free agent deal, So like,

751
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: so much respect for the grind, like to I mean,

752
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and he's turned it into like a viable career. But

753
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: if a good offensive tackle comes up on the board

754
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: next month during the draft and the you know, first, second, third, fourth,

755
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: whatever round and they're like, I think we're good because

756
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: we got tie, Like, no, come on, man, that's not

757
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: good team building. Yeah, he he was in a good

758
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: situation in Washington because you know, their guys were hurt

759
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, it seems like every time

760
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were going to face them, it was like, well,

761
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: they're their lines beat up and they got to play

762
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: this guy. He can't even pronounce his name. He has

763
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: to play right tackle. I mean, he didn't play a

764
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: lot of starts, but he's played a lot of games

765
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: because Washington always had injuries on the offensive line, So

766
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: you know that. I think I agree with Dave. I mean,

767
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: he's just he's he'd be a good guy to have.

768
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a training camp body, because that's

769
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for that. But yeah, that's

770
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: how I see it. When I heard about tackle, I'm like, oh, yeah, tackle,

771
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: we need one. And then I started reading about him

772
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, oh okay, this just sounds more

773
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: like a body too high. He's in there. Here's the

774
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: thing that I've said for fifteen years about this team

775
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: that needs to be better at and all teams need

776
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: to be good from the top to the bottom. You

777
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: need to be good from one to fifty three. One

778
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: to ten. Cowboys are just as good as anybody, almost,

779
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: but one to fifty three when there's injuries, you gotta

780
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: have some depth. You can't get there without making moves

781
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: like this. That's just that's that's part of it. It's

782
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: the moves like Insecchi and Urban and bash them. I

783
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: think might be a little bit more than that. But

784
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like, if they signed a guy

785
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: today I forgot his name, they're bringing in the other

786
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: safety to throw. I mean, he's not you know, that's

787
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: like your Kennedy type guy that they tried to get

788
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: last year. You have to fill the roster with players

789
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: they you know they can play, and they're not all

790
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: going to be projected Pro bowlers. And I will say

791
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: this too. I I just sort of talked down on

792
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: Tye and Secky, but and I think I think they'll

793
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: draft a guy, maybe not with the tenth overall pick,

794
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: but I bet they'll draft a tackle next month somewhere.

795
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: And so if you take a draft pick, ty Terrence

796
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: Steele has made fourteen starts. You can talk trash about

797
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: them all you want, but that's valuable. Brandon Knights made twenty.

798
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: That's four pretty decent options behind one of the best

799
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: duos in football if they're healthy. So all of that told,

800
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: I feel really good about the position overall. I just

801
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: don't know if tie and Secki himself is the answer

802
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: to that problem. So with that being said, would you guys,

803
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: are you guys on board with the route that the

804
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys seem to be taking or do you think they

805
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: should have gone the route of paying cam Irving? Basically?

806
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: What he got he got a two year deal for

807
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: ten million dollars guarantee he would not know. Okay, absolutely not.

808
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: They got a I think they're in line for like

809
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: a sixth round com pick and cam Irving played like

810
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: five games last year. I heard lot I no offense

811
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, but that one kind of made

812
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: my eyebrows perk up a little bit. It Honestly, I've

813
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I've always wondered this. You know, the coaching staff here

814
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: made the conscious choice, because this was before he was hurt.

815
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: They made the conscious choice that they liked, that they

816
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: seemed to like the other young tackles over yeah, cam Irving,

817
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: and that to me spoke volumes. And so when I

818
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: saw this deal, it made me think either they grossly

819
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: misevaluated him or the Panthers are grossly misevaluating him. But

820
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: somebody grossly misevaluated this guy, right, There's just only so

821
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: many capable offensive tackles in the NFL right now, like

822
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: that's you gotta do it. It's it's like quarterbacks, Like

823
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I bet the Panthers were like, I can't believe we're

824
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: doing this, but it's better than whatever's already here. Who

825
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: got side first? And Sechi or or cam Irving was

826
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: like one of the first things that happened on one day. Yeah,

827
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: so they could have gotten Inseci maybe, Yeah. Good. I

828
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: wonder if he's gonna be their start. I wonder if

829
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: he's penciled as a start. The difference is is that

830
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: Cam Irving. First of all, you can pronounce his name.

831
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: Second of all, he was a first round pick. Third,

832
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: he's not thirty five years old. I mean like he's

833
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: this guy's been around. It wouldn't surprise me if if

834
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: he doesn't make the team for the Cowboys. Yeah, that

835
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: wan'ts surprise. I wouldn't shock me. But with what Dave said,

836
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: drafting a guy and and heck they might even get

837
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: another you know, Terrence Steele in the undrafted free agent

838
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: you get you can start putting these guys together, and

839
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: it all start with the two starters. If they're looking

840
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: good and feeling good, then you're like maybe, I mean,

841
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: maybe he's not he's not gonna make it. He's not

842
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: making a lot of money, so yeah, it's a career backup.

843
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: It might be cheaper to keep it. I don't know.

844
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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking about

895
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: free agency. I want to package these three guys together

896
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Speaker 1: because they seem like they all kind of came in

897
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: pretty quick together. I know they all came in to

898
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: sign together, but Carlos Watkins was a defensive tackle, fourth

899
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Speaker 1: round pick of the of the Houston Techans back Texans

900
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen. Cowboys signed him to a one year,

901
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: one point seven five million dollar deal four hundred thousand guaranteed.

902
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Brent Urban defensive end. He was a third round pick

903
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens back in twenty fourteen. Has played

904
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Speaker 1: with Tennessee in Chicago since then. He also assigned to

905
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: a one year deal one point seven five million, although

906
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: all of his one point seven five is guaranteed. And

907
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: then you had defensive end to Roll Basham, who was

908
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Speaker 1: a third round pick of the Jets back in twenty

909
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: seventeen Colts he was traded to the Jet or now

910
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 1: he was released and claimed by the Jets. I'm sorry,

911
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: got it. Sorry, And then he was signed to a

912
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: two year deal six point five million. Obviously, his money's

913
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: very different than the other two. Talk to me about

914
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys may have been getting with these three

915
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: players and maybe how they all fit into this defense

916
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: that obviously we've all talked about needs a ton of help,

917
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, to Nick's point from the last segment,

918
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: Urban is intriguing, I think, and I you know, take

919
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: this with a grain of salt, but pro football Focus

920
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: graded him as one of the five highest graded run

921
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: defenders in the league. So this is, yeah, bring it all.

922
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: This is a guy who's here with p when we're

923
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: talking about Carlos Watkins. Oh, I know, I know. Is

924
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: that a foreshadowing? With all due respect to Carlos Watkins.

925
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a body amber like I mean,

926
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's nothing that I've read or seen

927
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: or heard leads me to believe that anybody should be like,

928
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: super duper excited about that. He could probably crack the rotation.

929
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: I think he was last in the of defense in

930
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: the entire league for run stoppers or something like that. Yeah, which,

931
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: well he can relate to that, yeah, little Yeah, they

932
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: can actually, And that's that's why they signed Urban. Maybe

933
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: not so much Watkins, but trying to beef up the

934
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: worst run defense in the NFL. Good thing. You already

935
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: got some defensive tackles. This is yeah, yeah, they I

936
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: think this is this is peak Cowboys is to just

937
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: throw contracts at a problem spot to say, all right,

938
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: we now have five defensive tackles. Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore,

939
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, these two new guys. If we can't find

940
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: one in the draft. We're not screwed, but we don't

941
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: have to be married to any of these guys. Like

942
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I said, Urban, at least statistically, you see things there

943
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: that you're like, Okay, Like, you know, this isn't this

944
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: is an Endomican sue. But this guy could come in

945
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: and do some dirty work and be a real benefit.

946
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know so much about Watkins. Basham is interesting

947
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: just because he was a Cowboys target in twenty seventeen.

948
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: There were two schools of thought. They went after their

949
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the first round and then dealt with

950
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: the defensive with the secondary later. They could have gone

951
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: the other way, and I think Basham would have been

952
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: one of their picks on Day two if that had

953
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: been the case. So maybe they draft Kevin King with

954
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth overall pick or whatever, and then they

955
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: could have drafted ash them later on. They obviously didn't

956
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: go that way, but so the interest was there. This

957
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: was a top one hundred draft pick, a guy that

958
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: they liked a lot. He's had moments, but I would

959
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: say for a guy drafted in the top one hundred,

960
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, the first four years of his

961
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: career probably you would call that a disappointment. But get

962
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: him in here and see what he can do. And

963
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: at the very worst, he's a rotational guy. What was

964
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: the question? I mean, I just all that again. It

965
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: just we're just trying to figure out what you think

966
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: of the of the signings, how they fit in. I

967
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: think I think those three guys, I feel like they've

968
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: all have some three four background, you know, So which

969
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: is an interesting note, right, you know, because and that's

970
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, we're just trying to figure out,

971
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Speaker 1: like for for graphics on social media, is the offensive end?

972
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Is he a linebacker? What do we call an urban?

973
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: What are we calling these guys? And those are good

974
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: questions because in that scheme they were this for everything

975
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: we've been told it's still a four three scheme here,

976
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: but it might not be, I you know, it might

977
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit more in the hybrid roles.

978
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: So I think that they've got some position like guys,

979
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: and and like you said earlier in the show, that's

980
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: important if you if your scheme is going to be

981
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: if flexible. If that's the case, then certainly these players

982
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: have to be right. And we won't know that for

983
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: a while. Probably won't know that till training camp of

984
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. I'm I'm

985
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: pretty sure the Colts were running a four three when

986
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: they drafted Basham, but the Jets are three four all

987
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: the way. And so he was a stand up linebacker.

988
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: So he's got that in his toolkit. I guess, um,

989
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: I think I can pull that up. I think he

990
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: had his most sacks last year for the Jets. Yeah,

991
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: I believe, which I mean it was like, yeah, I was,

992
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean three and a half. Not saying he had

993
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: twelve sacks or anything like that, but he so he

994
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: was successful in that scheme at least to a degree.

995
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: How does it work again, when it comes to these

996
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: types of contract I know that ideally, if free agent guys,

997
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you they're good enough for

998
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: you to keep at least for that season. But just

999
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: in general, let's say that we're too draft a guy

1000
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: he's looking pretty good, and then this other free agent

1001
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: guy is not looking that good and it's just kind

1002
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: of taking up space. Example. Yes, how does it work

1003
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: as far as like money wise, they do you lose

1004
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of money or like does that affect you?

1005
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Derek's point it depends on the guarantees. What did you

1006
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: say was Watkins's guarantees Watkins four hundred thousand, which sure

1007
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: they're good. That's pennies about the NFL money like they

1008
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: can drop that anytime candidate. Hey, I at things, Yeah

1009
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, um, I don't know specifically. I saw Todd

1010
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Archer broke down Kiano's contract. There's not a lot here

1011
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: that would like prohibit them from getting rid of any

1012
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: of these guys if they needed to. And then you

1013
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: made the point with with hah the mount that they

1014
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: had the Garls guaranteed for him. You don't want to, like,

1015
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that. That's a that's a goof.

1016
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: If you give a guy two or three million guarantee

1017
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and wind up cutting him before he plays a game

1018
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: for you, that's not good. But you can still do it.

1019
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: And that's also among many reasons why they're probably not

1020
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: going to use every dime of cap space is you know,

1021
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: you gotta sign your draft class, You got to have

1022
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: money to sign guys later in the season, and also

1023
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: maybe eat a little bit of money if you need

1024
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: to get rid of some people. And I think it's

1025
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: worth noting that you know these guys from the Falcons.

1026
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was the head coach and you know, ran

1027
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: their defense for the most part. And Joe Wit their

1028
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: secondary coach, who's now the secondary coach for the Cowboys.

1029
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, yes, you have ties to these players. Haha.

1030
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: Was drafted by Mike McCarthy and Green Bay. He had ties.

1031
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: They brought him in. He also cut him and I

1032
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in the league picked him up. I

1033
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: didn't hear about it. He spent he spent a little

1034
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: bit of time on Buffalo's practice squad, but I don't

1035
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: think he actually played last Okay, So I mean, you know,

1036
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I think we all we always make a big point

1037
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: of that. Well, he knows him there, so they're probably

1038
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: going to resign them. Well, yeah, what if they hated

1039
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: each other? What if he was like, I hate this guy,

1040
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: I'm never going to play for you know what I mean?

1041
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: Just because you have ties doesn't necessarily mean So obviously

1042
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: he was good ties with Atlanta, but I mean not

1043
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: to the point where you can't cut him if it's

1044
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: not working out. Keyan O'Neill has three million of his

1045
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: contract guaranteed, which I would be surprised. I would be surprised,

1046
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: but I don't if they just absolutely feel like they

1047
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: have to. I think they could. Um, it was a

1048
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: while ago at this point, but they remember Jasper Brinkley.

1049
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: He was like two and a half three million guaranteed

1050
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: and they cut him at the end of Camp two.

1051
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: So it's doable. Not ideal, but doable. I'll say this.

1052
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: He's also a different caliber player in mind. I want

1053
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: to be clear. I think Kean O'Neill is going to

1054
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: be good just covering every angle. You know, the Cowboys

1055
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: will will say this. Those guys that are the athletic

1056
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: trainers over there, jimmuer Bert Brown, those guys, they think

1057
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: that the second year after your injury is a really

1058
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: big year. That's when you're gonna jump you come just

1059
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: talking specifically LEGI reconstructive surgeries like that for achilles or

1060
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: definitely for acls. You know that first year you're getting back,

1061
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: getting your legs back in you, but the second year

1062
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: is when you're kind of back to normal normal. And

1063
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: if if that is the case with Kean, you know,

1064
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's probably one of the

1065
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: reasons why they're like, hey, he had it, he came

1066
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: back last year. Let's see what he what he does.

1067
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: If that was half of him last year, right, I

1068
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: feel very happy with what I think if he's going

1069
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: to be better than that this year, I feel very

1070
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: happy with that side. And you got to look at

1071
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: other guys too, Connor Williams. I know we're it's a

1072
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: different side of the ball. But I'm just saying, that's

1073
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: another guy that that last year he got back from injury.

1074
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: This year, contract year, big big thing, he said. They

1075
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: actually said the other day he he's goals the Pro Bowl. Okay,

1076
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean a team goal. First, let's get back to

1077
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: where we need to be. But but individually, you know,

1078
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: he think you can get there. Send him. Who are

1079
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: the five? Good question, Tyrant? No, who will be the

1080
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: final five by the time we're at the end of

1081
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: the season. That's who. I don't like that question, all right, Um,

1082
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: so let's real quick before we end this show. I

1083
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about a couple

1084
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: of the guys that the Cowboys lost, and particularly Cheeto

1085
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: A Woozia. He signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. He got

1086
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: a three year, twenty two million dollars deal. Seven point

1087
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: five million of that is guaranteed. How much of a

1088
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: loss is that for Dallas right now? Right now, it's

1089
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: fairly substantial, But I don't think it will be by

1090
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: the time this team is done being put together. I

1091
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: just I feel very confident that they're going to spend

1092
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: a big pick on a cornerback. If it's not Patrick's Urtan,

1093
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: it'll be pick forty four whatever, Like they'll draft a

1094
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 1: guy who's capable first two rounds, day one starter. That's

1095
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think. And so

1096
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: eventually I think they'll be fine. But right now, yeah,

1097
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: like if they had to play with what they have

1098
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: right now, I wouldn't feel great about it. Yep, I agree.

1099
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, Cheeto was a solid player.

1100
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you know, I've heard people

1101
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: say that he was a bust. I don't think he's bust.

1102
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I think you can be in the middle, you know.

1103
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: I think a second round player that played he gets

1104
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: one interception a year, you know, with that money that

1105
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: he gets, you know that he got there. I mean

1106
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati fans will probably you know, they probably won't love

1107
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: it because he won't get a lot of interceptions unless

1108
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: the scheme changes. For him, you know, but he wasn't

1109
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: really that type of guy, but he was. He was solid,

1110
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: he got good speed. You know, you have seen some

1111
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: guys thrive after they leave the Cowboys ever, know. I mean,

1112
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Carr had like three picks in the

1113
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: first six weeks of his first season in Baltimore. Yeah,

1114
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: just like, Oh god, Cheeto's gonna have like four picks

1115
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 1: at Halloween. Uh kill me? Uh No? I agree, though,

1116
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: like it was good. I mean, you're an average player,

1117
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: I think, and I think for a second round pick,

1118
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: if you get the number starts the Cowboys got out

1119
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: of him, you don't feel like you wasted that pick.

1120
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: You may have wanted more, but you like you wasted

1121
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: that pick. It's fair to feel it's fair to have

1122
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: wanted more from the from a guy drafted sixtieth overall.

1123
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: But I can't call that disappointing or a bust. He got, yeah,

1124
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: four seasons worth of starts. He made a few plays,

1125
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: and he goes like it works out for everybody, Like

1126
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't waste their pick. He got paid good

1127
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: for everybody. They'll get a comp pick for him. There's

1128
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: no reason to feel bad about anything that happened there.

1129
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: That's that comp pick was in play. That's why he

1130
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: never thought ever he was gonna come back, because you know,

1131
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: during the middle of the season he had a hamstring

1132
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: injury that took I don't know, nine weeks to come

1133
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: back from. And I think there were people in the

1134
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: building that were like, what's going on here? What's he

1135
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: want one of them? Huh? You want one of them? Well,

1136
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: I was, you know about hamstrings, you were not one

1137
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: of them. And I actually was one of them. I

1138
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: was asking about it a little bit, like why isn't

1139
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: he coming back? You of all people be like, I

1140
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: get him minds a calf and I still have not

1141
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. Still, I think difference in recovery time

1142
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: between us, difference in athletic ability, yeah, a little bit,

1143
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, speed, a little bit. Anyways, I think

1144
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: that everybody knew right there. I think everybody knew right

1145
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: there that he was he wasn't coming back. Yeah, so um,

1146
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: and he knew it, and and the Cowboys there was

1147
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: talk about releasing him during the season. Yeah, when it

1148
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what's going on here? I called it

1149
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: the hamstring from of death. I mean, like, what's what's happening. Um,

1150
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: he came back to get you know, and he he

1151
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to put bad tape out there of him,

1152
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: So he's not in the contract in the contract here,

1153
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: so but that compic was always sitting there like, we're

1154
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: not gonna cut him. Why would we cut this guy?

1155
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: And then he goes signed somewhere else and we don't

1156
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: get the comp pick for him. So yeah, but at

1157
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: least they signed Jordan Lewis, and I'm excited about that

1158
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: because he's a guy and I think we all kind

1159
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: of thought that might happen that Cheeto leaves and then

1160
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: they might be able to kind of retain Jordan Lewis.

1161
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: So that's exciting because he is a guy out of

1162
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: those two. Although we've seen a lot more from Cheeto

1163
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: as far as playing time, the time that Jordan Lewis

1164
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: has played, I mean, he has shown ability and he's

1165
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: a guy that does not a freaking give up. He

1166
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: has that kind of competitiveness in him. So in the

1167
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: way that that we're using him last year towards the

1168
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: end of the year, that was exciting to see. So

1169
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: that's at least something to look forward. And one of

1170
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: the things that's interesting about that is, you look at

1171
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: Jordan's deal. Jordan got a three year deal, same as Cheeto.

1172
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: He got a thirteen point five million dollar deal, which

1173
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: is less than the twenty two million that Cheeto got,

1174
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: but the guaranteed money was right there about the same.

1175
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: Cheeto got seven point five Jordan got seven point seven

1176
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: five million guaranteed. So to me, it kind of signaled

1177
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys thought of them as comparable players. It

1178
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: was just I think they opted that Jordan may have

1179
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: been a better fit, and certainly a better fit when

1180
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: you talk about what he can do in the slot,

1181
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: that's where it makes sense for them. I am. I'm

1182
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: curious about this because I think we would all agree

1183
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: Jordan didn't get a lot of opportunity. I know. I

1184
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: mean he started a lot last year, mainly because Cheeto

1185
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: was heard and Anthony Brown had injury problems. I wonder

1186
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: for him to be willing to re up. Was there

1187
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: a conversation like we see you doing this, like we're

1188
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna maybe we'll give you more of an opportunity to

1189
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: play outside you can do this, that and the other,

1190
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: or or they're like, yeah, we're just gonna bury you

1191
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: on the depth chart again. When we draft Patrick's ertan

1192
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: and like, if that's the case, but if he's a

1193
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: nickel guy, Nickel they played nickel most of the time,

1194
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: so well, Anthony Brown plays in the slot too, Like

1195
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: I just I wonder about that, Like if they draft

1196
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: a cornerback highly, and I think they will, then there's

1197
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: an odd man out. Well let's follow the money. You

1198
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: look at the money, and I think it means Anthony

1199
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Brown's probably gon to be your guy that's going to

1200
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: be sitting more than he's going to be out there playing,

1201
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: is the way I look at it. I'll always look

1202
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: at the money when you come to those kind of situations.

1203
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: He's on a similar contract to Jordan Is. Yeah, he's

1204
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: signed three years fifteen mill. Last office is guaranteed to

1205
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: remember that though, and he's a year into it too,

1206
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: Like I hear you, you got to remember this. And

1207
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: someone told me this the other day. No defensive backs

1208
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: coach or defensive coordinator for the Cowboys has ever liked

1209
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at the start. You know, it's like, well

1210
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: let's let's see how he goes. He's unkind doesn't fit

1211
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. So, yes, Anthony Brown was signed

1212
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But that was a different staff,

1213
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: that was a different you know, the the defensive backs coach.

1214
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: This staff as invested in him and they said, we

1215
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: like what we see, we're bringing him back. So I

1216
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: think if that is a tiebreaker between him and Anthony

1217
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: Brown for playing time, I think they're looking at it

1218
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: like you know, if they if it was the other

1219
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: way around, they probably say, let's don't pay him. We

1220
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown, will draft a couple. I personally think

1221
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: he's a better play than Anthony Brown. That's my opinion.

1222
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 1: I'm through these back Like some people were kind of

1223
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: like whining about the money, like it's not that much

1224
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: money by NFL cornerback standards. It's not a deal that

1225
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: you can't get away from, like you know, like next

1226
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: year if you want to, like you don't have He

1227
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have to finish this deal if you don't want

1228
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: him to. He's a versatile guy. I think he's got

1229
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: the right mindset. I'm happy he's Yeah, and they and

1230
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: they love him, I mean they do. I mean he

1231
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: he nobody works out more than him, no one, no

1232
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: one is trying to get better. I mean, he just

1233
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: needed his he just needed somebody to have some confidence

1234
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: in him and say you know, and say, hey, he's

1235
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: putting in all this work and we believe in you.

1236
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: I think he had he can have a pretty good year. Yeah,

1237
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: me too, Me too. All Right, we appreciate you guys

1238
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: join us. We'll be back next week and on Wednesday again,

1239
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: we'll get into a little more free agency talk and

1240
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: we'll actually start moving the ship a little bit, maybe

1241
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: to some some talk on the draft. We got about

1242
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: a month, about a month left before the draft left

1243
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: as of next week, could be about a month. So

1244
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: we'll start kind of spending a little bit of time

1245
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: talking about draft and uh and start getting you guys

1246
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: ready for that. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm

1247
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: and Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This has been

1248
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,760
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1249
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,680
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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,640
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