WEBVTT - Ginger Snaps with Olivia Woodward 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.200 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies. 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.480 Have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.320 and husbands, or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.360 zeph and best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:22.240 Jamie, Kaylin, I just got the curse. What's that I'm bleeding? 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.160 I just got my period. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.320 It's the curse. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.880 I'm your little sister in the big old Wig. I'm pissed. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.320 I'm pissed. I have to like, Hi, my, I know, Kaitlyn. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.520 No, yeah, I don't worry. It's not contagious though. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.400 This is the audio media. But I'm just all my 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.800 hairs in my face. I'm like, this sucks, This sucks. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.000 How could you do this to me? 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.920 That was a great re enactment. I think, thank you 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.840 so much for a naturals for a natural Yeah, oh 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.680 my gosh. Well, anyway, this is the Bechdal Cast, and 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.800 my name is Caitlin Toronte. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.560 My name's Jamie Loftus, and I have a tail. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.160 And this is our podcast where we talk about your 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:10.040 favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.360 test as a jumping off point for discussion. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:13.160 But Kaitlyn, what the. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.160 Hell is that? Oh my gosh, it's. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.440 When what in the Ginger Snaps is that? I sort 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.160 of was like, why is this movie called that? 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.119 But in a way, Ginger snaps and it makes it's 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.240 actually kind of an incredible it's an all timer title. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.160 It's actually really a good title. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.160 It all makes sense. But what is the Bechdel Test? 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.560 It's a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.080 sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test, as it was co 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.480 conceived of with Alison Bechdel and her friend Liz Wallace, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:51.040 and it has many versions. Ours is this, do two 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:56.160 characters of a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.240 to each other? And is there conversation about something other 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.160 than a man? And we like it when it's a 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.360 narratively substantial conversation. So for example, I just got my 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.760 period and it's a horrible curse. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.239 Oh okay, let's kill this dog. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.639 Okay, Like those are all narratively consequential in this world. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.840 No need to worry about the Bechdel's house in this movie. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.799 All right, that's the jumping off the boinfe But there's yeah, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.440 so much more to talk about today, so I want 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:27.200 to just jump. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:27.680 Right into it. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.080 But this is again, I think we're just kind of 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.840 on an all timer streak recently of covering movies that 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.800 we've been getting requests for for. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.720 Over half a decade, and we've just been. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.920 Waiting for the right moment for the right guest, And 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:47.600 today we are covering Ginger Snaps with an amazing returning guest. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.280 That's absolutely right. She is the cultural education coordinator for 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.040 Texas Native Health. She's a citizen of the Cat Donation 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.360 as well as a horror connoisseur. And you know her 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.680 from our episode on Smoke Signals. It's Olivia Woodward. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.600 Hello, now we know. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:10.280 We welcome back. What is your poster? I feel like 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.560 horror fans have the best bedroom walls. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.760 You know, it's so funny. This is not my bedroom. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.920 Me and my partner are so progressive. We have separate 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.480 bedrooms and the recording stuff is in his area of 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:21.880 the house. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.760 Incredible, So this is his room. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.400 That is a poster. It's a metal poster. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.600 If it's him, we don't care. Oh okay, unmort the 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.960 business of discussion, and you know that's so amazing. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.640 That is truly my dream and because of like I 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.280 don't know, it says hetero programming. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.640 I didn't even know. I'd never even considered that. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.760 Until my friends got married and they're like, yeah, of 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.920 course we have our own rooms so that we still 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:52.560 love each other. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.200 You're like, yeah, honestly, it kind of makes me love 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.240 him more having my own space. Yeah, it's really under 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.840 a full I'm also a crazy sleeper. I don't keep 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.440 a good sleep schedule. I always joke on a rotisserie 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.200 chicken in bed because I just kind of like move 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.360 around throughout my sleep. I wake up making the hungry 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.280 because I think I'm burning calories so much to my sleep. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.000 So anyway, it really helps our relationship. Honestly, I think 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.800 it makes us closer. Being physically a distant. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.400 Yeah, for sure, people need distance, people need boundaries and 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.760 their own space. I've been saying for years that if 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.880 I ever end up with a partner, which we'll see, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.760 but if that were to ever happen, I would want 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.400 separate apartments. And I know that like who can afford that? 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.640 But also like but if you can, but you can, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:42.880 I did. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.400 I mean it's like it's of course, it's like depends 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.320 on how you can make this face work. But it's 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.320 I like the idea of when you live with someone, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.320 it is still a choice to be physically together, Like, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.120 it's not the like, not necessarily the compulsory thing to do. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:57.280 Yeah, I love that. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:58.400 Thank you well. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.279 And now Ginger Snaps. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.720 Holy cow, what a damn movie, Ollivia, thank you for 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.640 being our guests. I know that we've been meaning to 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.279 do this for a while. It's the perfect time of year. Absolutely, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.920 so tell us about your history with this movie. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.560 Yeah, this is a movie I've really enjoyed. It's definitely 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.280 near and dear to my heart as far as horror 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.040 movie goes, it's definitely one of my top five. I 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.960 don't know if y'all know this. This is a trilogy. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:33.080 This is the first of three. There's Ginger Snaps. Ginger 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.320 Snaps Unleashed is the sequel, which takes place right after 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.920 the first one, like the next day, I think. And 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.240 then there's a third one. It's a prequel called Ginger 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:47.920 Snaps Back, and that one is set two hundred years 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.039 in the past, and like the eighteen hundreds, it's the 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.200 same actresses playing sisters again. I feel like there were 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.600 ancestors I'm assuming, and rather than being set in like 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.799 a Canadian suburb, it's set at a fort and they're 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.760 being like hunted by a wolf pack. And I bring 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.480 this up, I go into detail because back in what 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.400 twen twenty eleven, I was being left home alone a lot, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.280 and the third one, the prequel, was being shown on 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.920 some cable like channel all the time. So I kind 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.120 of got weirdly obsessed with the third one for years, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.680 not knowing there were two more before it. And I 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.280 was actually talking to my sister about this the other 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.800 day and I thought she told me about the first one. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.440 She says, I told her about the first one, So 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.520 at some point, because she's also a horror connoisseur, this 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.520 is a huge thing we bond over either way. At 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.640 some point in high school I rented it from Red 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.039 Box and loved it and show it to all of 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.279 my friends. There aren't a ton of good were wolf movies, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.880 because you know, there's horror, and then there's like all 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.560 the sub genres, right, and there's creature feature but separately 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.800 specifically were wolf. And this is not my most like 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:03.080 favorite werewolf design per se. Definitely other movies with scarier werewolves, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:09.240 but the story itself is so unique and strange and 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.240 different from other Werewolf movies, and I come back to 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.560 it every couple of years. And then separately too. A 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.240 few years ago I decided to start screenwriting, and part 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.600 of that journey was joining a mentorship and so it 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.600 was online one with an organization called bipoc TV slash 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.800 film and they pair you with it. Turns out it 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.080 was a Canadian organization. I don't think I was supposed 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.080 to apply, but whatever. They pair you with a mentor 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.520 and you get like online coffee with them. And I 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.080 got paired with Karen Walton, who wrote this movie. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:44.560 WHOA. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.120 It was such a crazy coincidence. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.760 Do not know that? That's amazing? 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.320 It was so hard not to fangirl over her. And 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.480 she's done some really cool work since Ginger Snaps, and 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.720 she gave me like really great advice and added me 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.280 to a Facebook group that she runs for up and 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.720 coming screenwriters. One day, someone put in the like a 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.760 post up asking about their favorite film podcast, and several 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.760 people commented the Bechdel Cast, and I was like, this 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.000 sounds right up my alley. And look at look at Roboto, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:16.480 look at you. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.920 Now you're here with us. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.920 Wait, that's so oh. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.280 I love that Ginger Snaps in a very roundabout way 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.720 brought you to the Ginger Snaps episode of this show. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:28.720 That's so cool. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.800 It's so cool. I would have never guessed it, you know. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.520 So I'm very Ginger Snaps has really done a lot 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.160 for me apparently. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.199 Wow. Yeah. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.839 True. So very excited to be here, very excited to 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:40.400 talk about it. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.600 And not to brag, but you, to some degree, have 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:48.400 continued your screenwriting journey in a certain class top by 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.920 a certain someone who has a certain master's degree in 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.079 screenwriting from Boston University that I would never ever mention. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.400 I gotta to say. The screenwriting classes are amazing, and 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.160 if y'all haven't picked it up, they're taught by Caitlin. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.000 She's a fantastic teacher and I will continue to take 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.400 her classes whenever I can. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:08.240 Oh my gosh. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:08.600 Thanks. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.960 So everyone should take her classes if you want to 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:12.960 be a screenwriter. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.360 Yeah exactly. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.720 Well I didn't know you had a master's degree. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:17.520 Oh well. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.800 The thing is, I don't ever talk about it. I 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:20.600 never mentioned it. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.160 Very humbul very humpful. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.400 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.000 So anyway, this episode is just a commercial for my 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:36.840 screenwriting classes. Bye, I love what a wonderful, full circle 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.920 history you have with this movie. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:39.800 It's so cool. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.800 It's always just like so lovely to hear when people 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.120 are active late, like successful people are actively involved in 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.960 mentoring and building community and stuff like that. Karen Walton, like, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:52.920 just based on what I've read about her, it just 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.040 seems great. I'm glad to know that she also is 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.880 great and it's like, actually a cool person. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:09:59.440 That's awesome. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.679 Yeah. I still have her email and every once in 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.640 a while reach out and she's pretty good at getting 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.840 back and she's just a very very cool person. Also, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.200 through her I learned some really major differences between the 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.640 film industry and Canada versus the US, good and bad. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.720 But the way people get started with screenwriting in Canada 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.400 is fairly different than here in the United States. I 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.520 feel like that's another day though. That's like a forty 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.280 minute rant for me. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:31.199 Yeah, yeah, well, awesome, Jamie. What's your history with Ginger Snaps? 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.360 I had never seen this movie before. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:34.240 I wish I had. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.200 I wish that this movie had found me at the 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.960 exact right time, but I don't know. I was like, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.720 I had an interesting experience watching this movie where I 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.920 watched it. I mean, this is my first time watching it. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.240 I like horror, very into horror. I've never really taken 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.960 to wear wolf movies specifically, which might have been just 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.760 why I never happened to see this, because I. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.920 Just I'm not a were wolf girly. I don't know 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:58.560 what to say. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.520 But the first time I watched this movie, I like 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.520 sat with it for a day and I was like, WHOA, Like, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.000 I don't. I almost like didn't know what to make 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.200 of it because there's so much going on. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.680 I was like, did I like that? I do like 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.200 what it was like. It was a slow burn for me. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.280 I don't know, it was weird. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.439 And then I went back to rewatch it the second 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.800 time to prepare, and by the end, I was. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.640 Like, no, this is like the coolest movie. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.719 It's like it's I mean, it has its fault, it 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.120 has its tricky points, which we'll talk about, but I yeah, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.040 it was a movie that I really had to kind 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:32.640 of sit with. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.160 And once I watched it again, like a full two 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.360 days later, I was like, no, this fucking rules. I 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.600 can't wait to talk about this. I'm really excited to. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.959 Hear everyone because it is like a movie that really 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.880 begs to be talked about with other people, and so 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.600 I am really excited to talk about it. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.640 I feel like there's probably points of view I haven't considered. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.880 I really enjoyed reading queer and trans writer's views on 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.520 this movie because, you know, like I think on my 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.720 first few I was like, it's all about defining womanhood 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:03.240 by periods. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:04.360 But then reading other. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.760 People's opinions on it, You're like, Okay, this movie is 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.520 like complex in a way that it maybe wasn't even 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.280 intending to be, but has like prompted all of this discussion, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.840 and that's a special kind of movie. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.280 I'm excited to talk about it. Caitlyn, had you seen 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:20.079 this movie before? 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:25.600 I had once before. It was during the Great Caitlin 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.960 Movie watching Binge of two thousand and four. I think 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.360 it was my friend who I mentioned recently on the 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.000 Job Breaker episode who had introduced me. She was a 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:42.120 big horror buff, so she showed me a bunch of 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.040 horror movies that I probably wouldn't have seen otherwise, and 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.480 I believe one of them was Ginger Snaps. I think 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.240 that's how I came to see this movie, and I 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.679 thought it was cool in the sense that it was 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.400 a version of the werewolf story unlike anything I had seen. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.320 But I'm similarly not much of a werewolf person. I 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:12.000 far prefer vampires. Not that it's a competition, but I. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:12.920 Was like almost on basic. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.400 But I do like zombies and vampires and most of all, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.880 I love a scary ghost and I. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.240 Love the whatever the Babaduck is. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.600 I like that. Yeah, the Bobbadok is its own genre. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.200 Yeah, it's more like a hat based villain. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.360 I love a jigsaw villain. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.559 I love a jig saw, I love a little oh 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.599 I do it. Yeah, I'll haunt it. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:36.920 Doll. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.480 That's definitely in my. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.439 Top four right right, right right. Every horror fan in 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.600 the world wants to They murder me right now. Like, Hi, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.840 there's doll movie, there's scary dre there's Babaduk movie. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.160 Yes, there's Babaduk genre. Doll genre. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.840 I think vampires, but I almost have never like scared 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:02.720 by a vampire movie. For like horror that actually scares me. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.400 The thing that I gravitate towards the most, I think 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:11.160 is like a cult type stuff or like Satan worship, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.920 like and I'm sorry to invoke a movie made by 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.560 a horrible person, but like Rosemary's Baby is. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.520 Oh, I thought you were gonna say, I'm sorry to 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.280 invoke Bielsa Bob. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.560 Never mind, never. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.400 Mind, we're making our own horror hooting right now. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.560 Yeah, no, I'm with you there. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.400 I also was realizing as I was watching, I'm like, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.920 why have I been avoiding I've been avoiding werewolves recently, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.040 and I know the reason is because my friend was 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:47.560 getting really into it. There's a very popular werewolf erotica genre. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.080 Boy that my friend sent a recommendation to me, and 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.560 I'm down to try anything, you know. I was like, whatever, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.840 I've read the occasional erotica brag. It's a very sophisticated 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.920 way to experience. It's like, also hard, I'm reading a book. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.560 Just as reading intellectual. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:05.120 It was. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.080 I mean, it's it's a fun way to whack off. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.760 But I just really did I was. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.840 Not vibing with the wearful genre. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.720 It was actually quite freaking me out due to the 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.200 whole dog of it all. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.320 So I did I'm going to call it that. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:26.400 If you love this. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.600 Genre, I'm not shaming you at all. I just it 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:29.240 wasn't for me. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.960 I read a book called The Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:34.720 which is so many words. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.560 Oh my gosh, you've brought this up before. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.200 I really struggled with the tyrant Alpha's rejected mate. It 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.200 took me months to finish. I didn't get horny one time, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.240 but I was just like really. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.160 Trying to finish it. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.760 And so I think uniquely this year, I was like, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.680 I'm done with werewolves for a while. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.480 They're too a horny, there's too much going on. This 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.000 was recent, This was this year. Yeah, I read that 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.720 book this year. And if you've read it, and you, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:01.880 I mean, I understand. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.119 It's like it's always weird when you're like experiencing erotica 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.000 that is not for you, where you're like I get it, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 I get it, I get it, but I but I'm 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.440 not feeling anything. So anyways, that's why I was avoiding 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.200 were Wolves. We could take this out of the show 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:14.720 if we want. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.520 Now, I think we should leave it. And I'm gonna 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.760 add something to it really quick here, which is that 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.920 when I was in the UK on the Shrek Tannic tour, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.800 I met up with a listener of the show shout 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.280 Out to Day's. We went to Shrek's Adventure together in 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:38.040 London and they gave me a horny book. What are 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:45.760 they called erotica novel? Yeah, erotica entitled Get in My 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:51.040 Swamp colon, an ogre love story, and I started reading it. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.360 I have to finish it, but I think maybe you 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.320 would enjoy it a lot more than you enjoyed the 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.520 werewolf erotica. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:00.800 I would wager, so I. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:01.480 Would wait for so. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.159 I just didn't like when they're like, let's fuck his dogs, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.600 I'm like, I just don't want to read about dogs 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.359 fucking anyways. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.639 Yeah, I think that's some people's issue or not issue, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.600 about why there aren't a ton of werewolf fans out there. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.200 It's so close to beat reality, right, it like really 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.760 toes the line, which I think is what makes it 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.119 all so kind of like interesting and fascinating. Also, to 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.200 your credit, it is hard to find good werewolf movies. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.640 I had the opposite, like two or three years ago. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.280 I was like, sat down. I was like, I want 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.720 to watch every werewolf movie ever, right, because one of 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.240 my favorites is Ginger Snaps, and I do love an 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.119 American werewolf in London, and I spent like months and 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.240 a lot. Unfortunately they suffer from both not enough budget 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.840 to dedicate to the Werewolf Transformation and not enough budget 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.679 to get good actors, you know what I mean, Like 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.320 they can they can't. Really, a lot of them can't 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.920 balance both. The only other like really good werewolf movie 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.560 I would ever recommend, well, I mean I'd recommend several. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.199 But the other big one aside from American Werewolf and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.359 Ginger Snaps is one called Dog Soldiers, and that one's 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:12.119 closer to action horror than American Werewolf or Ginger Snaps. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.520 I feel like Ginger Snaps American Werewolf are very layered 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.840 and have a lot to say about the topics that 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.040 they're covering because they're very different topics, right. American Werewolf 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.440 interprets werewolf ism in a very different way than Ginger 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.280 Snaps does. But Dog Soldiers is like good fun. It 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.560 almost feels like watching like action romp. There's just werewolves 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.200 thrown in there and then you're in like the background. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.720 The backdrop is Scotland. But it's again one of the 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.239 few that had a good enough budget to like. The 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.120 Werewolf Transformation is cool. The werewolves are scary. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.680 Wait I've seen this movie. Yeah, now that I'm looking 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.120 at the images of it. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.080 During my Werewolf kick, it was the only one that 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.560 stuck out to me. I was like, huh, this was 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.320 pretty good, and I rewatched it recently just to make 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.040 sure my opinion was right, you know, because you watched 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.960 something the first time enamored, and then you watch the 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:05.160 second time you're like, oh no, that one of dog 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.000 soldiers does take a really bizarre misogynistic turn at the end, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.159 and I feel like some scenes got edited out that 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.720 maybe would have explained it. But aside from that, it's 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.520 a fun were wolf movie, but it's a hard genre 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.280 to I think, pull off successfully. And then on a 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:26.240 personal note, Twilight kind of ruined my life with were 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:32.040 wolves because everyone started associating werewolves and animalism with native 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.439 people and the amount of like questions like God, and 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.320 the amount of people like that. I feel like the 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:43.000 type of racism I face increased after the movies. In particular, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.840 the book's release was hard enough, and then the movies 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.480 just like took it over the edge. So I feel 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.119 like Werewolves has also just not gotten good p R 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.719 in the last couple of years. Yeah, so I totally 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.679 get not being into were wolves or werewolf movies. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.639 It's a hard one for sure. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.919 Want to recover Twilight we absolutely, because there's I like, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.119 there's so much we didn't talk about or even know 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:08.840 to talk about the first time we talked about it. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.760 But yeah, I mean, they're just werewolves in general. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:12.800 There are a tough cell. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.320