WEBVTT - What happened to Kanye West? 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:09.840 Hello Roger, yah yo yo. All right, well, I need 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.160 you to make an announcement for the podcast. You know, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.079 we got nominated for two Signal Awards. Okay, we got 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.479 Best Buddy Podcasts and then we got Activism, Public Service 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.000 and Social Impact for our episode of Online Pedophile Hunters. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.400 So you gotta tell the people, go vote, vote. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:31.639 Okay. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.319 So what I gotta say, just say tell him right now, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.360 say go vote. Go to the Signal Awards. We got 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.720 a link in the show notes. Go ahead again, everybody, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:47.360 go vote. Already heard my brother say, go vote. Good awards. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:48.599 Go vote. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.000 All right, I'm gonna put that at the start of 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.280 the episode. All right, Manny, and this is Devin and 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.480 this is no such thing to show we set our 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.279 dumb arguments in your by actually doing the research on 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.679 today's episode. Why we miss the old Kanye. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.320 No, there's no no such thing. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:21.280 No touch thank no touch thank touch thank touch thank. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.160 Yeah. This is Its been a lot since I've seen 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.840 a lot of this stuff, so it was fun going through. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.040 I almost don't want to be taken back to these 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:33.360 to this era. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.080 I feel like this is like an alcoholics anonymous meeting. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.840 Uh do not like this. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:47.720 My name is Devin, and I want to confess to 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.000 being I was a pretty big Kanye fan. Sure, I'm 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.120 just gonna admit it. I mean, I'm just gonna say it. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.480 I'm gonna put it on Mike. Uh. You all were 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:58.560 Kanye fans growing up? 0:01:58.880 --> 0:01:59.040 Yeah? 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.440 Huge, And you guys knew I was a Kanye fan. Yeah. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:07.840 Probably when I first met you. I remember how much 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.400 you liked Kanye West. That's one that's one thing that 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:11.919 sticks out at the time. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would say when I met y'all, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.600 I feel like I had sort of honed it in 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:18.920 a bit probably. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.839 You know when you talk to someone and you can 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.000 tell they're really into something, but they're also trying not 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.400 to let that show. I remember once one conversation we 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.240 had about like the set pieces during the was it 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.120 the Glow and the Dark tour? Yeah, And you just 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.440 had all of this knowledge about it and then kind 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.200 of like towards the end, just caught yourself and like, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.680 yeah it was cool, and I was like, oh, this 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:44.320 guy's a fan. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.440 Yeah. Yeah, I was in deep out. Let me put 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.040 it this way. I don't think I will ever be 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.960 into anything as much as I was into Kanye West. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.160 Yeah, I know what you mean. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.320 You know, it's hard, I think, especially just as you 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.440 get older, it's hard to. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.079 Get that excitement about anything, even if you're still doing 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:00.400 deep dives onto artist and stuff. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:10.840 It's exactly So here's the thing. If you've been listening 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.840 to the show, you know that we usually bring in experts, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:20.360 but for this episode we already experts for over a 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.040 decade being a Kanye fan, which is just such a 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:27.280 major part of who I was as a person. So 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.440 much of my taste, the way I dress, the music 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.640 I listened to, the movies I love, so much of 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.560 that is it was because of Kanye. If we were friends, you, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:43.960 through osmosis would eventually become a Kanye fan. I remember 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.680 this one time I was driving my younger brother and 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.680 we were listening to Kanye's VH one Storytellers, and he 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.840 was going on this rant about not reading. I think 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.800 I saw on a movie. I get my quotes from 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:04.120 movies because I don't read. And my brother had just 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.040 started he was just at the age where he would 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.920 start to actually listen to the words on the radio. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.120 And he turned to me and he said, Devin, you're 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.480 not supposed to say that, like why are you saying that, Evin, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.080 like reading is good? And it was one of those 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.320 moments where it was just made explicitly clear just how 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:28.120 blurred the lines had become my own brother, not even 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.880 recognizing that the person on the radio wasn't me, Which 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.800 brings us to today's episode, which is, like, what do 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:42.160 you do when someone you look up to, someone who's 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.800 become such a major part of your life, turns out 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:50.080 to be a self proclaimed nazi? Must to release of 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:55.600 this new documentary about him now more than ever felt 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.520 like the time for us to like truly reckon for 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:03.279 Kanye fandom and talk through what do we do with 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.080 a man who, in many ways we can no longer 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:11.880 recognize and why more importantly, did we let him get 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:21.680 away with so much for so long? When you're heartbroken 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.200 in such a dramatic way, when you go all in 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.760 on someone like I went in on Kanye, it is 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:34.000 really tough when Kanye becomes Kanye and then you're like, oh, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.800 I'm stuck, you know. So now I feel like with 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.520 like artists or anything, I have like a little bit 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.120 of a distance of like, oh this is cool, but 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:43.840 like I'm not going to give my life. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.680 Over to you, Yeah, I can't make this me exactly. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:47.159 I need a separation. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.920 Yeah, And just to add on to that analogy, if 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.719 it's for analogizing it like a relationship. He also didn't 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.440 do like one thing that was like all right, I'm 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.080 done and I'm heartbroken. It was like we kind of 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.520 broke up with him, got back together like that kind 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.560 of a toxic relationship until finally we were like all. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:12.640 Right, until there was that hard, hard breakup to My 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:18.320 relationship with Kanye started with the College Dropout. Obviously, Jesus 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:28.760 Walks was playing on the radio everywhere. I have a 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.560 very core memory of being in a car with like 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.520 my aunt and Jesus Walks is playing and she's like, wow, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.760 that's crazy. You know, he's wrapping about Jesus on the radio. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:38.920 Jesus. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.279 So he'd go my single dog radio niece. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.120 Then they say, you can remember about anything except for Jesus, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.720 Me's Gone Sex Lives video team. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.520 But if I talk about Guy, my record won't get played. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.440 And my dad didn't remember this, but he actually bought 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.200 the College Dropout and I was back when I still 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.440 had a CD player walkman, you know that was the 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:06.040 time in like fifties, peak. The Gangster rap was very 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.520 much in I love the fifty album. Uh, the Beach 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.840 were incredible to the music was good, but like I wasn't 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.520 relating to the lyrics. It's like it was like movie stuff. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.600 You know, It's like, oh yeah, shot nine times whatever, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:25.640 God up. And Kanye was obviously his big thing was 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.320 he's playing us like the foil to that. And so 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.200 you know, most of this album is like very musical 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.320 and like connected with me right away. But to this day, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.800 I think this song right here, it's underrated and underappreciated. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.920 Your son he made the team this year. This is 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.480 family business. Uh, Kanye raps about you know, growing up 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:57.880 in his family, his cousin being in jail. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.880 This is family business. And it's just for a family 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.040 that can't be with us. And it's just for my 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.600 cousin lockdown or the answers, and it's just why I 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:06.760 fitted in my song. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.800 So sweet, like sharing the bed with his cousins. Which 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.520 we'll go back to having a meeting today, right like 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.840 you ain't took a band, but your cousin fit three 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:18.440 in the bid. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.720 If it's sixty, you'll I'm talking about three by the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.880 head and three by the leg, but you ain't have 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.080 to tell my girl like used. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:31.840 To in the bid like beautiful soul sample, damn still here. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.679 Oh yeah. It's it's also such an indication of how 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.800 incredible the production was. Like those early Kanye West like 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.880 kick drums and snares are so identifiable if you hear 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.920 them in songs today, you're like, oh yeah, so he 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.040 just had like such a distinct identity at the time. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.840 And out the gate, you know, it's the first album. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.040 It's crazy that, like, you know, especially for someone who 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.760 came in a game as a producer, people are telling like, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.680 you can't wrap to come in and have like this 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.520 album that feels so fully formed. And then you know, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.920 there's the music, and then there's also the other aspect 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.240 of it, which is he's coming as this foil of 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.080 like this other sort of version of like what black 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.440 masculine and he can be. You know. In two thousand 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:26.080 and five, he's doing an interview with Sway on MTV 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.560 when MTV Cared about music, and he's talking about like 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.200 homophobia and hip hop in two thousand and five, which 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.160 is is just crazy. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.280 It's like I would really discriminate, like I use the 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.600 word fat fact, fact fact, like always a condescendant towards 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.600 gaze and look and look down upon gays. And I'm 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.120 and my cousin told me that another one of my 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.840 cousins was gay. And at that point, it's kind of 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.920 when the turning point where I was like, yo, yo, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:09:59.679 this is my cousin. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.160 I I love him, Like. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.400 I've been discriminating against gays. It's like, do I discriminate 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.920 against my cousin. I wanted just to just come on 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.200 TV and just tell my rappers, just tell my friends, like, yo, 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:22.239 stop it famm like, like seriously that that's really discrimination. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.679 To me, that's exactly what they used to do to 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.280 black people. I'm just trying to tell people just stop all. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.760 That listening to this. This was like the first artist 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.880 where I was like, oh, like I can connect. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.840 Yeah, And I think he had a background too that 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.280 was a lot more relatable to the average person, Like 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.120 he didn't like he made a point to say this 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.880 in some of the songs back then that he didn't 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.800 have like that crazy of a childhood as like some 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.920 of other rappers did, and had kind of like a 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.720 more closer to like a suburban like kind of nice upbringing, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:00.000 not rich, but like not in not very poor, like yeah, 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.200 just like it just felt like this is a more 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.760 accessible artist I think. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:10.480 Yeah, exactly. So over my last time, I've seen Kanye 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.480 perform eleven times live. The first concert I've ever been 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.160 to was the Glone and the Dark tour. And speaking 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:25.559 of Kanye performing, this is really embarrassing. Okay, this is 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.800 gonna be a tough one to show. So when I 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.040 was in high school, right, you know how they would 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:37.240 be talent shows we have, and it kind of became 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:43.480 a thing that every school like variety show or singing 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:48.400 competition and to come out and perform as Kanye. So 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.840 I will play a snippet of this. All right, We're 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.080 not going to watch very much of this. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:11.000 They're screaming, wow, oh got the moves. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.400 Shades of course, so your. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.960 Body language like you've got the moves. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.120 So yeah, that's you know, that's all to say. I 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.840 was a pretty big Kanye fan, uh, you know, especially 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.480 in high school and as a Kanye fan, and we 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.040 have our oh come get your boy moments, uh, the 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.920 first big one obviously being Taylor Swift at the VMA's 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.199 gon Taylor, I'm really happy for you. I'll let you finish. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.800 But Beyonce had one of. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:53.080 The best videos of all time, one of the best videos. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:53.400 Of all time. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.480 Do you remember where you were when Yep, when he 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.360 when he did that, I. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:12.120 Was in my parents' basement because that's where like watch 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.559 the Baby Baby. It was yeah, for like the for 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.800 me and my siblings, and I just remember that being 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.360 kind of like the first moment on the Internet that 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.199 I can remember that everyone was talking about or like, yes, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.400 that that felt like wow. Everyone was went straight to 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.760 Facebook after that and we talked about it for like hours. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.200 Yes, yeah, I remember I was in my room watching 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.319 it and it was a thing where Tyrriler won and 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.720 I just sort of like I wasn't really paying attention 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.400 and then I look up and then Kanye is on stage. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.679 And then obviously at the time, everybody knows me as 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.720 the Kanye guy, so everyone just when you were right 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.000 on people's walls, and I had, like I had like 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.400 make a public statement. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.160 About it, press conference, press stop. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.120 I was like, oh, oh, yeah, don't condone is it 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.439 was funny, but you know, he obviously he shouldn't have 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:07.160 done that. And then the next day he appears on 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.640 jay Leno. When did it strike you. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.200 Uh, like as soon as I gave the mic back 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.640 to her and then she didn't keep going. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.160 I'm let me ask him. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.000 I was fortunate enough to meet your mom and talk 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.480 with your mom a number of years ago. Uh, what 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:29.760 do you think she would have said about this? 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:41.960 Yeah? 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.320 Would she be disappointed in this? Would he give you 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:47.800 a lecture? 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:50.640 Yeah? 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.920 You know obviously, you know I deal with her, and 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.160 you know so many you know, celebrities, they never take 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.280 the time off, and I've never taken the time off 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.160 to really you know. I just music after music, and 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.320 to a tour and tour, and now I just a 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.360 shame that my hurt calls you know, someone else's hurt. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.560 I remember being so deep in my Kanye's like fandom 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.800 at that point that I was like, boom, we've got 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.800 our talking points. He was upset because his mother passed 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.440 away recently. That's why he acted out. Everyone should feel 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.280 shamed for like dunking or like dogging on him, dog 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.680 piling on him. After what happened, It's so funny watching 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:39.760 that this many years later, like that event, the interrupting 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.200 of someone during her acceptance speech would not cause nearly 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.840 as much drama. I think as it did back then, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.840 especially with like you know, the optics of like a 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.800 rapper interrupting a country. I guess she was kind of 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.880 more country back then the race was like the racial 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.320 undertones to it and stuff like. But to day and 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.000 like how absurd everything we consume is today, Like we 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.440 would be like lol, like that, you wouldn't be doing 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.400 an apology tour. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.600 We literally like disappeared after this, yeah, right, Like he 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.600 went away for a while, went to Hawaii, worked on 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.160 the next album, and then one year later we're back 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.440 at the VMAs. Taylor Swift performs her song Innocent, which 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.840 is about the Kanye incident. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.560 I was analyzing these lyrics, like what is she saying 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:43.000 about him? 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.760 And that was the same night that Kanye had his comeback, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.040 So we got this moment classic yeah, you know, we 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.920 got the white stage, Kanye comes out in the red suit. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:58.040 Way better. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.000 Come on, He's at the NPC. 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.399 And this was the premiere of the song. If I recall, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:09.520 no one heard. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.720 This, No one had heard this. This is really peak era. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:18.840 And then the Good Friday, Oh yeah, nothing compared. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:41.720 Best run Away. And I just remember because this was 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.119 the last performance of the night. Oh yeah, And I 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:49.680 remember it being like, Okay, Kanye fans were back on top. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.040 You know, we took we took a step back. Maybe 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.440 you know, he made some mistakes, but like people were 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.920 kind of over the tailor thing. The music was good again, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.560 and and like you know, at the end of the day, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.159 like interrupting someone in an award show maybe not the 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.359 worst thing. I think things kind of got put in perspective. Yeah, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.440 you know, a year after, I'm just sort of like, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.960 what are we doing here? And as all helps when 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.200 you make, you know, some of the best music of your. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.920 Career, it's mutually beneficial to both parties this way, Like clearly. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.399 It did feel like we were like part of some 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.520 kind of a clan. Yes, like that, We're just like, oh, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:27.200 our leader did it? 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.840 Yes, like he pulled it off. We won. Yes. Yeah, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.360 I will say this. I do think there's an incident 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.640 that led to the downfall of Kanye shortly after this. Yeah, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.359 and I think it has nothing to do with Taylor Swift. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.760 After the break, Kanye starts to unravel and our fandom 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:58.480 is put to the test. I think for me, the 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.720 real unraveling of Kanye happened after Kim got robbed right now. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.400 We're going to get that breaking news overnight. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.840 Kim Kardashian wes robbed at gunpoint in Paris. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.240 Her husband Kanye ended his concert right in the middle 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.159 of a song when he got the. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.040 Word do you remember this? Yeah, So I was actually 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.240 at the show. I do remember you being there. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:21.879 Yeah, you're the Forest Company. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:31.280 Yeah you're Kanye to me, this this was like the 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.600 moment where Kanye like it felt like you sort of 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.960 hit this peak he had control of you know, he's 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.440 on top of the world and felt like that Kim 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.600 being robbed, it was like something was outside of his control, right, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.880 and we started to see him I think lash out 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:50.840 new ways post that influences the King of the human being, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:59.000 don't with me, with me, don't with me. But you know, 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.919 we were still all aboard. 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:02.760 You know. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.160 It was like music was good. The music was still good. 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.800 Right after this, we got The Life of Pablo, which 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.280 me and Noah were at the listening party premiere of 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.960 that fashion whatever it was. It was like a fashion 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.359 show and premiere at MSG. It was very cool, and 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.800 that's when we got our first listen of Famous. Oh 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.520 yeah fall my South sad niggas that know me best. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.280 I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.800 Why I made that bitch famous. God, dude, I made 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.000 that bitch famous. And I remember the time being like, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.480 oh God, here we go again, you know, as we're there. 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.840 But then truly after he's like, hey, guys, actually I 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.240 talked to Taylor about it. It's fine. She signed off 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.159 on it. She actually gave me the idea for it. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.000 I was like, I don't know about that. 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.760 Taylor's team responded, saying that they were not aware of 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.640 the actual lyrics, but I've warned Kanye about releasing that song. 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.840 Kim then defends Kanye in a GQ article, saying he 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.080 did speak to Tailor on the phone, and then leaks 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.440 parts of their conversation on Snapchat for on my South 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.320 Side niggas that know me best. I feel like me 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.960 and Taylor might still have sex. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.680 Like give a fuck about It's just you as a 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.040 person and as a friend. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.680 I want things that make you feel good. 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.560 Yeah, I mean, go whatever line better and bobbing through 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:32.159 a very tongue in. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:33.080 Cheeks either way. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.000 Yeah, And I really appreciate you telling me about it. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.720 That's really nice. Taylor then responds saying she didn't know 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:46.440 that Kanye was gonna call her a bit specifically. But 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.440 at the time, once again, Kanye fans were like, hey, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.720 We're hey. 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.760 He All we needed was ever, all we needed was 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.840 one little piece of evidence that could be spun in 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.560 to a defense. That's it exactly. And I guess Taylor 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.960 Swift is a lying scumbag and I never want to 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:06.399 hear people. 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:17.680 You know, Snake the famous video was the first moment 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.320 where I was like, Okay, Kanye did something and there's 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:21.159 no defending it. 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.679 You remember, it's like, isn't it Like it's like essentially 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.760 Madame Tussaud wax figures of celebrities in bed with him. 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.119 Yes, we got Anna Winter. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:38.520 Is that Trump? 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:39.320 Donald Trump? 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:39.719 Oh? 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:46.360 My god, Rihanna? Who is next to Chris Brown? Taylor Swift? 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.359 Oh no, this is really bad. 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:55.320 Yeah, there's Kanye obviously, and is that a figure is 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.920 to him? No, it's these are all They're like wax 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:03.240 figures laying in bed. There's Ray j oh the Amber Rose, 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:08.679 his ex girlfriend. There's Caitlyn Jenner, Bill Cosby, Jesus Christ, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.720 and they're all positioned naked, laying in the bed. And 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:18.280 this film's kind of like a snuff video. Yeah, and 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.359 the thing that you know, obviously there's a lot of 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.800 things wrong with this video, one of which is like 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.560 he depicts all of these women as you know, naked. 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:29.919 He didn't get approval from any of these women ahead 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.960 of doing this. Taylor Swift is topless, they got you know, 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.199 Rian is in amber Rose are topless, and. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.399 And even in the story of the video, it's without 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.600 consent really like he's just in the room. It looks 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:44.760 like he's not supposed. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:44.640 To be there. 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.200 In the film, it's like, oh, this is like these 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:57.040 people are sleeping and I snuck in and I'm filming it. Obviously, 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.560 Taylor Swift was not happy about this. Yeah, rightfully. So 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.040 this is like one of the first Kanye things where 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.040 I was like, actually, there's no spin to this, you 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.760 can't defend this. And it felt like, dude, you like 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:14.880 had a win, like just take it and like leave 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.280 it alone. And it just felt like vindictive. It wasn't 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.040 creative to me at all, Like it didn't feel like art. 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.760 It just felt like something to like get a reaction 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:23.400 out of people. 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.879 Yeah, I remember feeling like it was done strictly to 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.919 shock you m M. Versus for any other like kind 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.840 of meaningful reason. Yeah, not that it needs to be. Yeah, yeah, 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:36.800 this was supposed to make you go, what the fuck? 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.440 Sometimes art is provocative and it makes you uncomfortable, but 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:43.480 there's like a point to it, and this just felt like, Oh, Taylor, 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.480