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Speaker 1: Hello Roger, yah yo yo. All right, well, I need

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Speaker 1: you to make an announcement for the podcast. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got nominated for two Signal Awards. Okay, we got

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Speaker 1: Best Buddy Podcasts and then we got Activism, Public Service

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Speaker 1: and Social Impact for our episode of Online Pedophile Hunters.

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Speaker 1: So you gotta tell the people, go vote, vote.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So what I gotta say, just say tell him right now,

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Speaker 1: say go vote. Go to the Signal Awards. We got

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Speaker 1: a link in the show notes. Go ahead again, everybody,

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Speaker 1: go vote. Already heard my brother say, go vote. Good awards.

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Speaker 2: Go vote.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna put that at the start of

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Speaker 1: the episode. All right, Manny, and this is Devin and

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Speaker 1: this is no such thing to show we set our

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Speaker 1: dumb arguments in your by actually doing the research on

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Speaker 1: today's episode. Why we miss the old Kanye.

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Speaker 3: No, there's no no such thing.

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Speaker 2: No touch thank no touch thank touch thank touch thank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This is Its been a lot since I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, so it was fun going through.

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Speaker 4: I almost don't want to be taken back to these

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is like an alcoholics anonymous meeting.

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Speaker 4: Uh do not like this.

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Speaker 1: My name is Devin, and I want to confess to

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Speaker 1: being I was a pretty big Kanye fan. Sure, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on Mike. Uh. You all were

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Speaker 1: Kanye fans growing up?

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Speaker 1: Huge, And you guys knew I was a Kanye fan. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Probably when I first met you. I remember how much

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Speaker 4: You know when you talk to someone and you can

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was in deep out. Let me put

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Speaker 1: it this way. I don't think I will ever be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's hard, I think, especially just as you

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Speaker 6: Get that excitement about anything, even if you're still doing

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Speaker 1: It's exactly So here's the thing. If you've been listening

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Speaker 1: Right, until there was that hard, hard breakup to My

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Speaker 1: relationship with Kanye started with the College Dropout. Obviously, Jesus

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Speaker 1: Walks was playing on the radio everywhere. I have a

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Speaker 1: But if I talk about Guy, my record won't get played.

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Speaker 7: This is family business. And it's just for a family

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Speaker 1: So sweet, like sharing the bed with his cousins. Which

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Speaker 1: we'll go back to having a meeting today, right like

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Speaker 7: If it's sixty, you'll I'm talking about three by the

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Speaker 1: To in the bid like beautiful soul sample, damn still here.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah. It's it's also such an indication of how

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Speaker 1: And out the gate, you know, it's the first album.

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Speaker 8: It's like I would really discriminate, like I use the

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Speaker 8: To me, that's exactly what they used to do to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So over my last time, I've seen Kanye

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Speaker 5: They're screaming, wow, oh got the moves.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's you know, that's all to say. I

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Speaker 1: gon Taylor, I'm really happy for you. I'll let you finish.

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Speaker 1: The best videos of all time, one of the best videos.

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Speaker 4: I remember being so deep in my Kanye's like fandom

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Speaker 1: We literally like disappeared after this, yeah, right, Like he

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Speaker 5: We're going to get that breaking news overnight.

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Speaker 9: Kim Kardashian wes robbed at gunpoint in Paris.

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Speaker 5: Her husband Kanye ended his concert right in the middle

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Speaker 1: Word do you remember this? Yeah, So I was actually

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're the Forest Company.

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Speaker 1: It was like music was good. The music was still good.

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Speaker 1: yeah fall my South sad niggas that know me best.

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Speaker 1: I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex.

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Speaker 1: Why I made that bitch famous. God, dude, I made

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Speaker 1: But then truly after he's like, hey, guys, actually I

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Speaker 1: Side niggas that know me best. I feel like me

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Speaker 9: Like give a fuck about It's just you as a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, go whatever line better and bobbing through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really appreciate you telling me about it.

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Speaker 1: That's really nice. Taylor then responds saying she didn't know

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Speaker 1: You know, Snake the famous video was the first moment

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Speaker 4: You remember, it's like, isn't it Like it's like essentially

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Speaker 1: Yes, we got Anna Winter.

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Speaker 4: Is that Trump?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, this is really bad.

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Speaker 1: It just felt like something to like get a reaction

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Speaker 1: So in the end tour early Kanye gets hospitalized at

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Speaker 1: like there's no way he could have possibly have said it.

436
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: And then we watched the club and it was actually

437
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: it was it got worse.

438
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 9: When you hear about slavery for four hundred years, for

439
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 9: four hundred years, that sounded like a choice, like he

440
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 9: was there for four hundred years and it's all of y'all.

441
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: And I remember, I, uh, this maybe one of my

442
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: most viral tweets because I tweeted out the Kanye clip

443
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: and you know, publicly declared. Talking about my public statements,

444
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done being a Kanye fan. I'm

445
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: not going to any more shows, I'm not buying any

446
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: more merch, like this is the line for me.

447
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 4: At that point, I still stuck around a little bit

448
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: because I thought this might be some kind of perverse

449
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: version of album promotion, like he's always doing crazy kind

450
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 4: of antics right before an album is about to come out.

451
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, but I don't know. This time felt

452
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: different for me, and I was, you know, as we're

453
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: preparing to do this, I was like, why why? Because

454
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: I felt like if I was going to stop being

455
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: a fan of Kanye, it would be a more gradual thing,

456
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't be just like a flip of switch, because he's

457
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: done stuff in the past that's obviously been problematic. Kanye

458
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: throughout his career has been accused of misogyny and you know,

459
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: the way he's talked about black women, like all that

460
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. I feel like I've always made excuses

461
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: for that. There's this like justin Vernon quote from Navia

462
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: when he was working on Eases and they were like,

463
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: how could you work on an album like this where

464
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: he's saying like crazy stuff on that album, and justin

465
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Vernon's like, well, he's like playing a character. It's like

466
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: America's right, And that was like the justification in my mind.

467
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, for all that other stuff, like he's

468
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: playing a character, but yeah, you know, this time it

469
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: felt different, And I think the obvious thing is like

470
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I felt implicated this right, It's like, okay, you're talking

471
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: about black people that involves me. Yep, Like now I

472
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: feel like it's a problem because that other shit, like

473
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: it was bad, but it didn't really have to deal

474
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: with me. And this was also the time where black

475
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: people were getting the cops called on them like every

476
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: other day.

477
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: It felt like there was a random news story the

478
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: year of the Karen. Yes, that's the breast of like

479
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: when people started calling.

480
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: People, Yeah, that's when Karen became a thing. It was

481
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Trump one point zero, right, So it was like black

482
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: people were also in this precarious position in the world

483
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: so then for this celebrity who I'm a big fan

484
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: of attacking black people at this time, especially because black

485
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: people had been in the past the main people defending

486
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: Kanye and his antics right and being like, hey, hey, hey,

487
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: leave our boy alone. It just felt like that was

488
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: different for some reason. So a lot happened after this.

489
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll do a speed around just going through it. I

490
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: had to sort of re educate myself though, because I've

491
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: been a little out of the loop. But right after this,

492
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: they went to Wyoming and they released the seven Song albums.

493
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Then he got religious and sorted his Sunday service. He

494
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: stopped cursing on his albums, released some gospel albums. He

495
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: ran for president in twenty twenty. I forgot all about that.

496
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: He received nearly sixty seven thousand votes in twelve states.

497
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: He started hanging out with some white nationalists Nick Quintes.

498
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

499
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: They went and had dinner with Trump. Uh, and then

500
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Trump got a lot of backlash for that.

501
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 9: Uh.

502
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Right after that, he has the white.

503
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: When Trump is getting back last for having dinner.

504
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: With you.

505
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: Saying something.

506
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

507
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: He made a white Lives Matter shirt. Shortly after that

508
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: was the He's gonna go deaf Con three on Jewish People,

509
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: and then he was on Alex Jones talking about praising Hitler,

510
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: and even Alex Jones was like, maybe you're going too far.

511
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

512
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: He got dropped by Adidas releases a song about giving

513
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: his cousin head.

514
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: And we remember this cousin from the first song he played.

515
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: In the Family Business. You know, we have the beautiful

516
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: song about growing up with your cousins, and then we

517
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: nat today the cousin song is about giving your your

518
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: cousin had and then we have like a song called

519
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: hell Hitler where you can't even pretend that there is

520
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: some something other than let me shock people and get

521
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: people to change yeah Swasika T shirts. So I feel

522
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: like at this point Kanye has lost a lot of

523
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: relevance that he had before in terms of like good

524
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: music in art, and now the way he gets attention

525
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: is by just making a lot of noise. And that's

526
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: not to say I don't you know that he doesn't

527
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: believe the things that he is saying, But it's clear

528
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: to me that he is just trying to shock people

529
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: and he's he's out of ideas. It's what it reads

530
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: to me.

531
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I and I wrote about this for MSNBC at

532
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: the time, where it's like, of course, the natural trajectory

533
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: for someone who can trying to shock, he was going

534
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: to be like, well, yeah, Hitler was good, like the

535
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: number one enemy of history.

536
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

537
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: Is that like that's the kind of the last stop

538
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: on the train of trying to SHOCKI So it makes sense. Yeah,

539
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: but it does feel desperate and sad and like when

540
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: he would do some of this crazy shit, and like

541
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: in the mid twenty tens or early twenty tens, it

542
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: felt like there was you could point to some nugget

543
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: of art artistry in it, but like, yeah, at this point,

544
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: it's like, so this is someone who is completely off

545
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: the rails.

546
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: No, how how do you feel as a you know,

547
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: a Jewish Kanye fan. Yeah.

548
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: I mean there's.

549
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 6: Like a song like Hail Hitler, for example, I never

550
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 6: expected to be a song I would love.

551
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: And like hearing it.

552
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 5: It's not like I guess it's I try to think

553
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: about it in the context.

554
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 6: Of other artists or other people, and like if I

555
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: was just approaching it as by itself, like just talking

556
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 6: about that one song, say, I'd be like in a vacuum, Yeah,

557
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: if it sounded really good, it's hard to say I

558
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 6: could look past it, but like if there was something

559
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 6: a little bit more to it, or like, Okay, this

560
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 6: is an interesting composition or something, it would disturb me

561
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 6: that this is the subject matter.

562
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: But I could.

563
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I could.

564
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: Personally, I'd be able to listen.

565
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 6: I could listen to pretty much like I certainly listened

566
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: to artists that I disagree with on things, whether it's

567
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 6: in their music or outside of it, Kanye being one

568
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: of them. There's other rappers who I think have anti

569
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 6: Semitic views. They're slightly more subtle about it. They'll subtle

570
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 6: like fair con or something, you know, and it's obviously

571
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 6: different timber, but it's like it's there, you know, and

572
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 6: that again it bothers me in the sense of a

573
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 6: baseline level of it, but it's not like, oh, I

574
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 6: can't listen to this, so it's you know. So this

575
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 6: to me is like just a much more extreme version

576
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 6: version of that, where it's like, Okay, there's nothing in

577
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 6: this for me to even grasp onto or like listen to.

578
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 6: And then like I'm thinking back about just like Okay,

579
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 6: say his thing after Katrina talking about George Bush.

580
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: George Bush doesn't care about black people.

581
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: It seems like he's trying to harness that sort of thing,

582
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: like the attention he gets from that sort of stuff,

583
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 6: m that provocation, and then is now just like rolling it.

584
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 6: And then with the Jewish stuff, now it's like, well

585
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 6: you see that more, you know, you go on X,

586
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 6: you see that stuff. So I'm sure it's it's partly

587
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 6: he's seeing, you know, in these guys he has around him,

588
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 6: Nick Flantes or wherever, you know, feeding this or like,

589
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: and then anytime something bad happens, he can say, well,

590
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 6: you know, the Jews did this, Yeah, and it's like

591
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 6: it's a self fulfilling prophecy of like I lost my

592
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 6: ideal a dud this because I did this, which proves

593
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 6: right I was right.

594
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

595
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 6: So it's it's more just like it's just sad. I mean,

596
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 6: it doesn't it's like I don't care what this guy

597
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 6: has to think about anything really in there. I don't

598
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 6: think he's really that influential to anyone except for maybe

599
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 6: some like fourteen year olds who are really into his music.

600
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 6: Hopefully they don't become president, I guess, But like, I

601
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 6: don't know, it's the whole thing's just kind of sad.

602
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't.

603
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: I don't put even much credence.

604
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: But you don't put much weight behind it.

605
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: Me.

606
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I hear what you're saying. I think he's

607
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: definitely lost a lot of his relevance and he's not

608
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: obviously as big as he once was. But to me,

609
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: it is shocking he is still as big as he

610
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: is today. It is shocking that people are still going

611
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: to you know, these shows. You know, he's touring overseas

612
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: and like China and Korea and like selling out stadiums and.

613
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 6: The like the Swastika T shirts and stuff like they so, yeah,

614
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 6: it's like it's disturbing. I guess I see it more

615
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: of like that's just one piece of this broader weird

616
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: point we're out culturally, it's not just Yeah, So I

617
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 6: think that's it's like sad that that's the case.

618
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I think there's something too though, that the Kanye Co

619
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: signing and stuff gives people permission. Yeah.

620
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, because those kids buying the Swastka shirts wouldn't be

621
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 6: buying it from Info Wars or you know whoever. They

622
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 6: want it because it's him and he's the cool rapper guy. Yeah,

623
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 6: not some political twitch streamer.

624
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: The other layer to this, I think is that in

625
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: terms of his relevant see, like the music started sucking.

626
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that also made it a lot easier

627
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: for you.

628
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: I think that's how I feel too, which is sad

629
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: to say, but yeah, right, And I think that has

630
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 4: played a huge role in this conversation about his relevancy, because,

631
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: as we know, there are some artists who do horrible

632
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: things that the music is just so good or good

633
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: enough that we look past it, like as a society

634
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: and like, this is clearly not what was happening with

635
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 4: Kanye West.

636
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: All Right, Noah is leaving us. He'll be out of town,

637
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: but me and Manny are going to go see the

638
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: new documentary called in Whose Name that's supposed to show

639
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Kanye in a whole new light.

640
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: Good life sounds good. I'm Manny and we're back. Noah's

641
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: not here with us today. We kicked him out of

642
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: the rest of this conversation.

643
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: He's out of town. Yeah, but we did earlier this

644
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: week travel down to Regal Union Square and to see

645
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the new Kanye documentary. I'm off my madge for five

646
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: months down.

647
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: Your personality is not like this a few years ago is.

648
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: A calling by the universe, never kaill me. I'm gonna

649
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: wake up one day and have nothing. We could talk

650
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: about that later, but it ain't no butk So this

651
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: documentary is titled in Whose Name, and it's made by

652
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: this director named Nico Ballasteros, who started filming with Kanye

653
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen when he was only eighteen years old.

654
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: He continued filming with Kanye for the next six years,

655
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: capturing more than three thousand hours of footage. But the

656
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: interesting thing is Kanye never actually paid Nico, so he

657
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: owns all of the footage. So Nico was able to

658
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: get final cut on his film. He released it independently.

659
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: Kanye didn't have any involvement with the making of it,

660
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: but he did text Nico that doc was very deep.

661
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: It was like being dead and looking back on my life.

662
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: So he seems to have enjoyed what Nico has put together.

663
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 4: We're coming at this movie from the standpoint of two

664
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: guys who were huge Kanye West fans and are no

665
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: longer Kanye West fans due to his own actions, and so,

666
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: to be fair to the documentary, it was an uphill

667
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: battle to impress me right. Like everything happening in the documentary,

668
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: I was.

669
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we went in with a bias against Kanye.

670
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: That's a good flag. But let's quickly let's talk about

671
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: the crowd that was there, because the data was relatively full.

672
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: Most of the people there were looked or seemed to

673
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: be Kanye fans. There were people wearing like I saw

674
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: a kid wearing like late registration shirt. They're like hype beasts,

675
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: you know. And these people showed up seemingly because they

676
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: like Kanye West.

677
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were maybe us and one or two other

678
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: people I could recall who were there watching it because

679
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 4: of the spectacle.

680
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.

681
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: What's your kind of general review of the the.

682
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: Filmmaking of it, or of my perception of Kanye after

683
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: seeing it.

684
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: How the movie itself, Like, what did you think the

685
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: movie did well? What do you think it did bad?

686
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: Because I have thoughts on this.

687
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the movie itself in terms of like

688
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: the filmmaking, it's always interesting to see any behind the

689
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: scenes of anything to some degree, right, And I thought

690
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: that was the strongest part of the movie, is like

691
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: you're seeing obviously we've seen from the outside these sort

692
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: of big moments in Kanye's life during that time period,

693
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and to see somebody in between behind the scenes, never

694
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: before seen footage is interesting. Mm hm. I do like

695
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: that there wasn't narration. I do like that they didn't

696
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: have sit down interviews. Yeah. I thought my biggest issue

697
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: with this film was that you can tell that someone

698
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: who hasn't done this before was making it.

699
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: Hm.

700
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: The pacing and the movie is all over the place.

701
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: And it's funny because at the end of the movie,

702
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Kanye sort of makes a joke about like, people are

703
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna watch this documentary and they're gonna think it's just

704
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, rant to rant, antics to antics, that there's

705
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: no through line, but they're missing like that this is

706
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: like actually so deep blah blah blah. And I was like, actually, no,

707
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: this is the issue with this doc is that there

708
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: is no through line. I don't think that the documentary

709
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: makes Kanye look good at all, No, no, But I

710
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: do think there are worse things that Nico film that

711
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: were not in this film. Mmm, especially around comments on yes,

712
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: Jewish people. Yeah, he says basically nothing in this film

713
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: about Hitler or Jewish people. He says like, I can't

714
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: say Hitler, but they cut around a lot of stuff

715
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: that we know through reporting Kanye has said.

716
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: And and you know they skipped him going on out

717
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: Alex Jones. Yep, they skipped his antics with Nick Flentises,

718
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: who's now in the news again, because you know, not

719
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 4: for this episode, but like, and yeah, it's a good point.

720
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: Kanye West doesn't come out looking that great. But but

721
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: you could tell that the filmmaker, I think wanted him to,

722
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: or at least wanted you to feel like it's it's deeper,

723
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: it's more nuanced than it was on the surface, when

724
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't think it is that much.

725
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you mentioned Nick Flentis, because who does

726
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: show up repeatedly throughout this is Candice Owens. And then

727
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: there's even a random scene he doesn't really talk, but

728
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk is in it.

729
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk is in that. Yeah, I forgot about that.

730
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: And I think, look, I think it's understandable that this,

731
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is a kid who looked up to

732
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Kanye was a teenager when he started working with Kanye, right.

733
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: The reason he wanted to work with him is because

734
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: he was a fan of him. So it makes sense

735
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: that that person would not make like a hip piece

736
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: of a doc or would feel protective to some degree

737
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: about what he allows in the film versus what he

738
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: doesn't allow the film. Yeah.

739
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree with you generally that there was

740
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: some level of cultural value I think in seeing some

741
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 4: of some of those behind the scenes moments. But I

742
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: think I just came away being like, well, what was

743
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: kind of the what was the point of that? Ye? Like,

744
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: what what did I learn? Really?

745
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

746
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Well?

747
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you feel like do you feel like

748
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: you have a better understanding of Kanye West as a

749
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: person or his mental state after seeing the doc? I

750
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: will say I felt like in the you know part one,

751
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: we kind of glossed over this a bit. But what's

752
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: obviously a major point of this doc is it starts

753
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: with Kanye talking about this film is about you know,

754
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: mental health. But yeah, do you feel like outside of that,

755
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: do you feel like there were any things that you

756
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: were like, Oh, actually, I didn't think about it in

757
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: such a nuanced way. Kanye is actually operating on a

758
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: different level or something, or I have a deeper understanding

759
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: of who he is as a person.

760
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: After watching it, they kept revisiting the idea that this

761
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: is a film about mental health. I didn't really feel

762
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: like that, No, it wasn't really about mental health beyond

763
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: the fact that his family members are scared for him

764
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: and they want him to get back on medicine.

765
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would rather be dead, not in jail, because

766
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather be dead this is on medication.

767
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like I learned all that much, and

768
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: I also felt that, you know, not to be a

769
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: film nerd, but like the purpose of a documentary is

770
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: to I think in some cases show a subject in

771
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: full vulnerable, and the idea that you would skip some

772
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: controversial parts of that person's life to save face. I

773
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: don't know why, it just it cheapens the point of

774
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 4: the movie.

775
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 7: For me.

776
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: What I was surprised at is when I went online

777
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 4: and looked at some reviews, there seemed to be like

778
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: decently big name critics who liked the movie, and I

779
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: was surprised by that.

780
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also you're comparing it to you

781
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: know what the other celebrity documentaries are right now, which

782
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: is basically a celebrity making like a promo for their

783
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: you know album you know, And so in that way

784
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it's like I said, it's not flattering

785
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: to Kanye despite it cutting out some of those more

786
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: controversial things, like he's repeatedly throughout this film screaming mostly

787
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: at women, like throwing tantrums like a kid. I thought

788
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty telling too. Throughout the film who Kanye freaks

789
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: out on?

790
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god. Yeah, that's a good point.

791
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: It's always the women in his life. It's Kim, it's

792
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner, it's his cousin, who's a woman.

793
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

794
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: What was so striking to me being in a theater

795
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: was how often people were laughing. Yeah, at points where

796
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: we were not. The movie is not funny, you know.

797
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: There are very little jokes, if any jokes at all throughout,

798
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: and people were giggling and laughing a of times about

799
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: the absurdity of it a lot of time about like

800
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: how ridiculous Kanye looks. At one point towards the end

801
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: of the film, when Kanye's working on his album Donda,

802
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: he gets upset with the people in the room because

803
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: they're laughing about something that he said or did.

804
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy that.

805
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: Most implemental artists of twenty motherfuckering years acts, they got

806
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: a most important.

807
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: Artist in human history? Acts?

808
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: Is that a motherfucking game man, No fucking chuckling and

809
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: nothing and nothing no kind of ways. And it was

810
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: so funny to me because I was like, Oh, we've

811
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: just spent an hour and a half in a theater

812
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: watching you, Like these are your fans watching you and

813
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: laughing at you the entire time, and now in real

814
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: life we're seeing you're also dealing with that. I felt

815
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: like it just sort of like solidified a lot of

816
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: my thoughts about him, Like he's so deeply insecure. Yeah,

817
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: it's this whole film is like someone trying to convinced

818
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: themselves of their greatness almost to some degree, and being

819
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: so afraid of how they're being perceived by other people.

820
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: Through this, the entire documentary is sort of like he's

821
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: grappling with how he's being perceived by the outside world,

822
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: which is so interesting because Kanye's whole thing is I

823
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: don't care what people think. Yeah, and time and time again,

824
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: he just contradicts himself by caring about what other people think.

825
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: There's one big scene that's been all over the place

826
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: already is a clip of him yelling at Chris Jenner,

827
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm a family has said any responsibility from my hospital visits,

828
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: but if we want to go online, that's fifty percent

829
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: of what people say at least or maybe in my line.

830
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter my line then that it matters to

831
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 2: us and you it doesn't matter what the inner and

832
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: that says, it matters what we think. Yay, So what

833
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: do you say?

834
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: Did you have an effect on my mentor yes?

835
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm saying yes, and I love you.

836
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: I love you. I don't want you to be.

837
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 9: Not perfect.

838
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: I love you and I want my daughter to love

839
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: you the way you want or love you.

840
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, why do you care what people

841
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: online are saying about who caused you, know, like you

842
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to feel the way that you feel.

843
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: He likes to pretend that yeah, yes, normal to care

844
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: about this, Yes, but it's his whole identity that he does.

845
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: That he doesn't care. What does doctor do a good

846
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: job for me? Of showcasing was like what happens if

847
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: an adult is never held accountable? Mm hmm, like time

848
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: and time again, It's like, this is like if a

849
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: five year old had unlimited resources, right, Like he's constantly screaming,

850
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: like came at one point is like you're not always

851
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: going to get your way. I don't always get my

852
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: way and like that's just life, right. She talks to

853
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: him throughout this film as if he's one of her kids.

854
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this this very little

855
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: music in this film, Yeah, if at all. The small

856
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: amount of music is kind of in the like prologue

857
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: before like Nico actually starts filming with him. But it's

858
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, I don't know

859
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: if it was a rights issue or whatever it maybe

860
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I missed the music in this

861
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: which I think is pretty telling about what his career

862
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: has been as of late. Right, It's like, how do

863
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: you make a nearly two hour documentary about Kanye West

864
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and play nearly no Kanye West music? You make it

865
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: about this timebeard where none of the antics feel related

866
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: at all to the music. This dot came out only

867
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: a few years after Netflix did like a three part

868
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: doc as well.

869
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 4: Which was more It was kind of weird how it

870
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 4: lined up because that kind of ended around the time

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Speaker 4: the Nika footage started.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, so this kind of picks up where that left off.

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Speaker 1: But it's telling in that you know that starts from

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Speaker 1: Kanye's very very beginning, and the first two parts of

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Speaker 1: that are so music heavy. Oh yeah, it's so much

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00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: about like the creation of those albums in the process,

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00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: because that was the story in the beginning.

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00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was important, I think to show what why

879
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: we all thought he was a genius.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that and that and that doc. You know,

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00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about how and it's doc. We're

882
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: waiting for the oh, he's a genius moments and we

883
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: just don't give him and that doc we get those moments.

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Speaker 4: Because the genius in that documentary speaks for itself. Yes,

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00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: it's not Kanye what's telling.

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00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Your exactly You're watching him with the choir being like, oh,

887
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: don't do it that.

888
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 4: Way, do it this way, all these little meticulous, nuanced

889
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 4: things he's doing in the studio to make something sound

890
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: one percent better.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for the first time, and then brough home on

892
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 7: the second half the course and like separated.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, I.

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Speaker 4: Think one of the one of the most tragic parts

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Speaker 4: of the documentary, which isn't something they point out at all.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just something I noticed, is that from

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Speaker 4: the beginning of the documentary to the end, you just

898
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: see the entourage shrivel up and shrink into just the

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Speaker 4: camera guy. Like at the beginning there's like twenty people

900
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: around him, at all times, and then it slowly gets

901
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 4: lower and lower and lower. By the end, it's just

902
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Speaker 4: him and the camera guy and Niko, and you know

903
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: it's because of his own actions. And I think halfway

904
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Speaker 4: through the film, Kim Kardashian says something like that, like

905
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: everyone around you, they're telling me privately that they don't

906
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 4: know how to deal with this. They're they're they're not

907
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: supporting you anymore, and they're gonna leave you. And then

908
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: he's in the car like who said that, like kind

909
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 4: of ignoring the point.

910
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah.

911
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: By the end, there's literally nobody.

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00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: There, and I think, look, you know, there's like that

913
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: James Baldwin quote of like the world is held together

914
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: by the actions of a very small group of people.

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Speaker 3: The world is held together. Really it is hell together,

916
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: but the love and the national very few people. Otherwise,

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00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: of course, you can despair. Walk down the street to

918
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: any city any afternoon and look around you. What you

919
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: gotta remember is what you're looking at is also you.

920
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: Everyone you're looking at is also you. You could be

921
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: that person, you could be that monster, you could be

922
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: that cop, and here to decide on yourself not to be.

923
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Speaker 1: There's bits of Kanye and all of us, right, obviously

924
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: not to the degree of like we're gonna be streaming

925
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: into our own tantrums, but like we can act really

926
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Speaker 1: small over something that is inconsequential on like go from

927
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Speaker 1: zero to one hundred, and I think, you know, so

928
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Speaker 1: much of life is trying not to be that person.

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00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: But it's so easy to be that person at the

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00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: same time, right, Like it's like it's hard to actually

931
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Speaker 1: put into work.

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Speaker 4: There was a there's a line towards the end, a

933
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: little nugget of self reflection from him, but then he

934
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: immediately backtracks on it. So at towards the end, he's

935
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: like he's reflecting about his career the past few years,

936
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Speaker 4: and he's like, wait a second, should I have blown

937
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 4: up this this Adidas thing? What was what was this

938
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 4: all for? And then there's like a beat of a

939
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: few seconds and then you're like, oh nice, and then

940
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: he's like and the answer has to be yes, And

941
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 4: then it's like, all right, we can roll the credit.

942
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Speaker 4: It's like I'm kind of done here.

943
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Speaker 2: Thing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a journey. If you want to see the

945
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,560
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