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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly Jongfast, and this is Fast Politics, where

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Speaker 1: we discuss the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds. And Melania Trump says he's doing the best

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Speaker 1: he can. Oh, well, in that case, we have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. The Jim Acosta Show's

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta stops by to talk about Trump wrecking the

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Speaker 1: American economy. Then we'll talk to former U.S. pardon attorney

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Speaker 1: Liz Oyer about the about Trump's Justice Department giving Ghislaine

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Speaker 1: Maxwell preferential treatment. But first, the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, as we know, Trump surrounds himself in this

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Speaker 2: term much more with sycophants who will do anything to

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Speaker 2: tell him that he is the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 2: And part of that is also that they want to

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Speaker 2: keep their meal ticket. So they're urging him to declare

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Speaker 2: martial law for the midterms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is a story from The Atlantic. Trump's

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Speaker 1: advisers have been working for months to move his focus

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Speaker 1: away from baseless theories of election fraud. But there are

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Speaker 1: a group of outsiders who are trying a different tack,

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Speaker 1: and they would like Trump to seize control of federal

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Speaker 1: elections this fall. These are like the drags, right? Tina Peters,

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Speaker 1: Peter Tickton, all of the really people who should belong

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Speaker 1: in jail. Wayne Allen Root. These are people from the

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Speaker 1: bowels of the internet, people for whom everything is conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: A Lindell TV host is Wayne Allen Root. He's also

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Speaker 1: a Gateway Pundit columnist.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that one in a minute.

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Speaker 1: The White House spokesman, Lauren Biss, said this is a

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Speaker 1: real story and there is evidence of voter fraud. Of

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Speaker 1: course she did. This is really scary and bad. There

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Speaker 1: are so many organizations that are ready to go to

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Speaker 1: court to try and defend our elections. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of pushback, thank God. But it's really,

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Speaker 1: really scary. And it's a really scary moment for the

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Speaker 1: rule of law and American democracy. And this is where

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Speaker 1: we are. And it's just unbelievably bad.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of the rule of law, there's this fun

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Speaker 1: So basically, voters are really, really, really mad. And we

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Speaker 1: see this everywhere. But one of the ways we see

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Speaker 1: it is they're like really despairing about what will happen

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Speaker 1: to powerful people, whether powerful people will ever be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: And in this poll, we see that Republicans are also

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Speaker 1: really mad. And this is like an amazing poll because

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Speaker 1: it shows that 43 percent of Republican, not Democrats, not independents,

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Speaker 1: Republicans believe that the rule of law is weaker than

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Speaker 1: it was a decade ago. OK, that's Republicans. And so

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Speaker 1: if you don't see where that's going, right, that means

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Speaker 1: that there are a pretty good percentage of Republicans who

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Speaker 1: see Trump's corruption for what it is. But the really

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Speaker 1: despairing part of this is that just 28 percent believe

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Speaker 1: that political leaders will be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: The swamp was the beginning of this. But like now

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Speaker 2: we're at the thing of that. They've shown like whoever

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Speaker 2: trusted that Trump was going to drain the swamp. All

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Speaker 2: of those people have learned that was all fucking con.

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Speaker 1: Right. I think that's right. I think we're seeing that.

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Speaker 1: I think people are despairing and I think people are

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Speaker 2: Smiley, the apple of your eye, RFK Jr., the man

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I'm trying to be. It's the first

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Speaker 2: So it was because when we were in Texas that time,

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Speaker 2: he puffed his chest out at you and you were

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Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I like what I see.

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Speaker 1: I just like a man who works out in jeans

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Speaker 2: I do. Do you remember when Ellie Honig told us

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Speaker 2: that long before the public knew that? And you and

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Speaker 2: I knew that for months before and were astounded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And we never we saved it for the book.

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Speaker 1: We never told anyone.

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Speaker 3: It's actually not true. We told a lot of people that.

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Speaker 1: We were like, you can't make him health and human

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Speaker 2: OK, but so he took money out of the Office

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Speaker 2: of Minority Health for his own security. Is there any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is where he's eluded from.

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Speaker 1: I think the best little caveat here is this was

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Speaker 1: created by libtard Ronald Reagan to address higher black infant

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Speaker 1: It is going towards RFK's security detail. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: explain the feelings I have about RFK Jr. from his

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Speaker 1: influence on, he didn't do. I actually think he's a

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Speaker 1: bigger grifter than Trump.

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Speaker 2: Somali, I'm going to take you back to 2016. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember the name Billy Bush?

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, yes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so for those who don't remember, this was the

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Speaker 2: man who, when Donald Trump talked about grabbing women by

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Speaker 2: a bodily part, that's who he was talking to. Well,

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Speaker 2: he's found himself with a new job. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: show you the way Fox News chose to announce this.

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Speaker 4: Billy Bush, our brand new Fox News contributor and host

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Speaker 4: of Hot Mics. Wow. All right, Billy, first of all,

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Speaker 4: congratulations on becoming a tribute.

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Speaker 1: You know what that means. Can I warn you about something, Billy?

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Speaker 4: Now that you work here, Trump might hire you for

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Speaker 4: the cabinet. Well, which which department do you want to be?

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Speaker 3: What do you want?

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Speaker 1: There could be some openings.

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Speaker 3: Is interior available?

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's not doing much.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I can... Bergham? How dare you?

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Speaker 4: He's been hard at work.

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Speaker 1: Haven't you been following? What about the.

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Speaker 3: I know you've been following this Sweeney thing. Press secretary.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I would probably expect him to hire a woman, but...

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Speaker 3: You're not bad looking, Billy. I think you could pull

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Speaker 3: it off. I have female energy. I have some. You

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Speaker 4: Although, look, Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 2: Where to start, Molly? Well, can we start with his

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Speaker 2: show is called Hot Mics because it was a hot

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Speaker 2: mic that got him fired. They have him on to

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Speaker 2: discuss Sidney Sweeney because that's all they can discuss all day.

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Speaker 1: I've seen so many segments on Fox News about Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of shocking. Like, I don't think they do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the most made up controversies I've

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Speaker 2: Trump hires from Fox News. Well, show me the lie.

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Speaker 1: Look, Billy Bush. What can I say about Billy Bush?

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Speaker 1: He was fired for that hot mic thing. It's taken

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Speaker 1: I have nothing nice to say about Billy Bush, except

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Speaker 1: that he is proof that you cannot keep a mediocre

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Speaker 1: white guy down. Jim Acosta is the author of the substack,

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Speaker 1: The Jim Acosta Show, and the author of The New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestseller, The Enemy of the People, A Dangerous

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Speaker 1: Time to Tell the Truth in America. Welcome, welcome, Jim Acosta. Hi, Molly.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: As an enemy of the people to an enemy of

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Speaker 1: the people.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You had your press pass taken. I feel like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's war on the press. We have patient zero right here.

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Speaker 3: You had your press pass taken. I started a pandemic

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Speaker 3: or something. Is that his? I ate a bat or something.

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Speaker 1: You were Donald Trump's first time going to war with

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Speaker 4: I don't like to be thought of as Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: The first time Donald Trump used a journalist to distract,

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Speaker 1: one of the very first times. I mean, Katie Turr,

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Speaker 1: but you were one of them when he took lawyer

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Speaker 4: the press pass case that I had was eight years ago,

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Speaker 3: It's fake news, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Let the record show. You had the very same judge.

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Speaker 4: We sued and we went before Judge Kelly. And he's

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Speaker 4: This was November 2018. And the whole thing just kind

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Speaker 4: a lot of this is, I mean, I've been telling folks,

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Speaker 4: I think two things can be true at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a distraction.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he wants to distract from gas prices and the

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Speaker 4: But it's also a danger to the democracy that we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really good point. Part of

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Speaker 1: It's the First Amendment for a reason. But also, it

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Speaker 1: is to distract, to take, you know, like Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: cruising into a midterm. He is as unpopular as he

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Speaker 1: has ever been. And Byron Donalds, running for governor of Florida,

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Scrubbing Trump references. And I think even a photo from

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Speaker 4: pretty bad, but you know, David Jolly is giving him

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Speaker 4: can you, if you, if I had said to you

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Speaker 3: Watch out for David Jolly. He's going to win this race.

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Speaker 3: You would have been like, no, what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 3: This is bad, Jim.

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Speaker 4: And, you know, he's about as popular as Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: He goes to the United Nations. He says, I might

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Speaker 3: The Right.

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Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: But I do think like it's just wild to see how,

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Speaker 3: Just give me another chance, baby. Just give me another chance.

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Speaker 1: Right. We got Vance in Iowa. The Senate candidate. nowhere

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Speaker 4: As I saw Larry Sabato tweet earlier today, hasn't Abraham

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Speaker 4: Lincoln suffered enough?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, and it's not good. It's not good.

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Speaker 4: But, you know, Trump wants his name on everything while

447
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Speaker 4: he's in office because he knows as soon as he

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Speaker 4: leaves office, all that shit's coming down.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's going to want that anywhere. You know, he'll have

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Speaker 3: the airport in Florida. That's it.

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Speaker 1: So there was a really good reporting from The Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: which had been, you know, there are like nine people

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Speaker 1: who still work there, but they're breaking amazing stories. And

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Speaker 1: one of the stories today was that Donald Trump's the

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Speaker 1: ballroom has all sorts of, you know, he fought with

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Speaker 1: the architect and there were fire code violations and the

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Speaker 1: guy was worried. So he resigned. And then you see

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Speaker 1: that he, you know, he's been drawing on the, you know,

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Speaker 1: they basically it's just what Maggie Haberman said is true,

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Speaker 1: that basically all he's been doing this entire presidency is

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Speaker 1: just decorating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, it kind of reminds me of those stories

464
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Speaker 4: about how he was just sitting there watching January 6th

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Speaker 4: unfold in the state dining room. There's something that's deeply

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Speaker 4: disturbing about this moment. And I mean, we can laugh

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Speaker 4: and whistle past the graveyard and everything. But it's not

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Speaker 4: normal to want to put your name on Forge Theater.

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Speaker 4: It's not normal to want to put your name on

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Speaker 4: the Kennedy Center. It's not normal to want snipers on

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Speaker 4: top of a massive arch near Arlington National Cemetery that

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Speaker 4: apparently is going to be packed with ammunition.

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Speaker 3: All of this sounds like desperate end days.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely going to get built, in case you're wondering.

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Speaker 3: This is very Muammar Gaddafi.

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Speaker 4: This is very Saddam Hussein and the spider hole kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff. And I just think that, you know, we

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Speaker 4: can ignore it. And I don't ignore it. I know

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Speaker 4: you don't ignore it.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people ignore it. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: bad idea to ignore it.

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Speaker 4: I think that what, you know, we're going to wake

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Speaker 4: up one morning and, and you know, bad stuff's going

484
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Speaker 4: to be going down because that's it. He's just finally snapped.

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Speaker 4: And we're, I think we're on the verge of that

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Speaker 4: right now. I mean, when I saw the Ford's theater thing,

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Speaker 4: I was like, wow, I thought it was as weird

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Speaker 4: as it was, as it was going to get, but

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Speaker 4: obviously not.

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Speaker 3: Apparently not.

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Speaker 1: We really have elevated someone who is really like not

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Speaker 1: that interested in governance and, not at all interested in policy,

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Speaker 1: super interested in like narcissistic honoring of himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also pretty, pretty like his frontal lobe is not

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Speaker 1: functioning in the way that you would want your frontal

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Speaker 1: lobe to function.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be not a bad idea for,

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Speaker 4: you know, things to be studied by scientists years from

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Speaker 4: now We should do like a CSI Donald Trump. What

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Speaker 4: the fuck happened?

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Speaker 1: What is interesting and what is scary about this moment?

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Speaker 3: At the end of a natural passing. I want to

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Speaker 3: be clear.

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Speaker 1: But what is scary and what is worrying about this

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Speaker 1: moment is that there there's no Mad Dog Mattis. There's

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Speaker 1: no like there is no nothing. Mike Pence.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's just J.D. Vance, who's a sycophant. Marco, who's ruined

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Speaker 1: himself for Trump. his son-in-law who is making tons of

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Speaker 1: money while negotiating peace in the Middle East. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are no people who are serving in the government

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Speaker 1: just to serve the people.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: And I described it this way at the end of

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Speaker 4: the first term, Kool-Aid drinkers and next of kin. That's

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Speaker 4: what we're down to at this point. And that is

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Speaker 4: when things are at their most dangerous. And I just

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Speaker 4: think that You know, I think these next hundred days

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Speaker 4: are going to be hell. I think he's going to

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Speaker 4: try everything possible to avoid accountability and to avoid a

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Speaker 4: huge shellacking in the midterms on November 3rd. And then

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Speaker 4: the next two months after that, until we swear in

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Speaker 4: a new Congress, is just going to be ridiculous. Unless

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Speaker 4: it's such a blowout that Mike Johnson is like, I'm

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Speaker 4: out of here, guys. I'm going to go get a

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Speaker 4: job on K Street or go, you know, be the

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Speaker 4: president of LSU or something.

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Speaker 1: That would be spectacular.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be great? That would be so great.

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Speaker 4: But if it's something that's a little closer to 50-50,

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Speaker 4: you know, buckle up.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be bad.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be really bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think so.

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you. Good to hear you. Thanks, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Liz Oyer is a former U.S. pardon attorney. Welcome, Liz. Welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Molly. So can you explain to

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Speaker 1: us sort of what you do, what you did and

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Speaker 1: how you have taken? I think you are educating people

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Speaker 1: about the law and where we are right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's my goal.

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Speaker 5: I worked in the Justice Department until 2025, and I

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Speaker 5: was fired by Todd Blanche shortly after he became the

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Speaker 5: deputy attorney general. And I decided to use my legal

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Speaker 5: expertise to try to educate my fellow citizens about this

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Speaker 5: extraordinary moment in time where the rule of law is

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Speaker 5: really under attack from within government, from the Justice Department itself.

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Speaker 1: So and you were also a public defender.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I was a federal public defender for 10 years

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Speaker 5: before joining the Justice Department. So I've seen the justice

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Speaker 5: system from both sides. And I am a person who

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Speaker 5: does not by any means think that the Justice Department

557
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Speaker 5: was perfect before Donald Trump came back to the presidency.

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Speaker 5: But what has happened to it now is just really

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Speaker 5: alarming on a new level.

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Speaker 1: So the thing that's happening right now is that the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration has gone full throttle against the press. And

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. And I would love you to first

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Speaker 1: explain to us. I mean, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: political calculation that Trump thinks that this will delight his base.

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Speaker 1: But I would love you to talk about the case

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to make against the press and and

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Speaker 1: sort of what you think. I mean, it doesn't strike

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Speaker 1: me there's a ton of merits here. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious what you think they're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Donald Trump has done a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: are pushing the limits of the existing laws, but this

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Speaker 5: one is really blatantly illegal. I mean, Donald Trump has

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Speaker 5: banned certain media outlets from the White House explicitly based

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Speaker 5: on his disagreement with their reporting on him. He does

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Speaker 5: not like the coverage that he is getting from these

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Speaker 5: specific media outlets, so he's banned them from the White House.

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Speaker 5: The First Amendment could not be clearer that you cannot

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Speaker 5: do that. There is case law that says that Restrictions

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Speaker 5: on the press or on the First Amendment have to

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Speaker 5: be viewpoint neutral. You cannot exclude people from participating in

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Speaker 5: speech because of their particular point of view or opinions

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Speaker 5: that they express. So Donald Trump could legally exclude the

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Speaker 5: press from the White House altogether if he wanted to.

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Speaker 5: But he cannot pick and choose based on political affiliation

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Speaker 5: or viewpoint or opinion or whether they flatter him. In

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Speaker 5: their reporting, which reporters are allowed to come into the

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Speaker 5: White House?

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Speaker 1: And we know because in typical Trump fashion, he has

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Speaker 1: said the quiet part out loud why he's doing this. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he said initially that he was doing it

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Speaker 5: because fake news, because these reporters only give him negative coverage.

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Speaker 5: But interestingly, that is not the legal theory that the

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Speaker 5: Justice Department is asserting. They filed a late-night brief in

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Speaker 5: which they have invented a completely new legal theory because

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Speaker 5: they know that the one Donald Trump posted about on

596
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Speaker 5: True Social does not hold water legally. And now they

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Speaker 5: are claiming that this is a matter of national security.

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Speaker 5: They're claiming that CNN, Politico, and MSNOW have been banned

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Speaker 5: from the White House because their reporting threatens national security.

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Speaker 5: This is a totally invented after the fact rationalization. But

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Speaker 5: that's what they're saying now because they think they have

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Speaker 5: a better chance legally with that particular rationale.

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Speaker 1: It's like the ballroom, right, and the triumphal arch, both

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Speaker 1: where they tacked on national security at the end. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain to us what the cases, where it will go,

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Speaker 1: what jurisdiction it will hit, what judges will see it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: So CNN Politico and MSNOW have all sued in a

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Speaker 5: lawsuit that's pending in D.C. And interestingly, it was assigned

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Speaker 5: to a judge who was appointed by Donald Trump during

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Speaker 5: his first administration. And he is the same judge who

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Speaker 5: had the case involving Jim Acosta, the CNN reporter whose

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Speaker 5: press credentials were revoked under Trump's first presidency. Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: revoked Acosta's press credentials and Acosta sued. And this judge

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Speaker 5: appointed by Donald Trump held that this was a clear

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Speaker 5: First Amendment violation and Acosta's press credentials were immediately reinstated.

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Speaker 5: So Trump has basically conceded defeat. He has said, this

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Speaker 5: is the same judge who's not loyal to me, who

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Speaker 5: ruled in favor of Jim Acosta. So I know I'm

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Speaker 5: going to lose and then I'm going to have to appeal.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, he's right. He's And, you know, he

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Speaker 5: will he will appeal and I expect that he will

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Speaker 5: be unsuccessful on appeal as well. There's a hearing scheduled

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Speaker 5: in the case this afternoon and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: But this is just something that legally is not tenable.

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Speaker 1: What happens, though, is it gets it will likely get

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Speaker 1: kicked up to the higher circuit court and then to

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Speaker 1: the maybe to the Supreme Court or now? Yeah, potentially.

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Speaker 5: So he will appeal to the D.C.

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Speaker 1: Circuit.

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Speaker 5: There are a couple of judges who have been very

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Speaker 5: friendly to Trump's positions on that court, including two judges

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Speaker 5: who were involved in reviewing the appeal of the Associated

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Speaker 5: Press's loss of their press credentials. You might remember that

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Speaker 5: last year when Donald Trump renamed the Gulf of Mexico,

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Speaker 5: Gulf of America, he decided to continue using the terminology

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Speaker 5: Gulf of Mexico. And based on that, Donald Trump banned

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Speaker 5: them from the Oval Office. That case is now still

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Speaker 5: pending on appeal, but there was a preliminary opinion by

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Speaker 5: two Trump-appointed judges that suggested that perhaps the president does

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Speaker 5: have the authority to do that. So we'll see where

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Speaker 5: that goes. Trump is hoping that those same appellate court

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Speaker 5: judges will rule in his favor on this particular issue.

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Speaker 5: But It would just be such a clear deviation from

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Speaker 5: decades and decades of First Amendment precedent.

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Speaker 1: And and even still, you could still that this case

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Speaker 1: could still end up going to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: It could.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly could. And, you know, this is if

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Speaker 5: there's any Supreme Court that's going to rule in favor

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Speaker 5: of Donald Trump on something like this, which would involve

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Speaker 5: reversing generations of precedent. It would be a Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: But my hope is that they're not so far gone.

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Speaker 5: that they would hold that it is lawful for the

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Speaker 5: president to discriminate against the press based on their viewpoint

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Speaker 5: and coverage of him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm being crazy, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like the six and a half votes to

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Speaker 1: not completely overturn the midterms was a good start, right? Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's like the kind of thing that you

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Speaker 5: would hope would be unanimous. But you're right that I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's better than we've seen in other cases. And it

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Speaker 5: is somewhat encouraging that the court doesn't want to let

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Speaker 5: our democracy go under.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Not to put to not to be too

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Speaker 1: cynical here, but it certainly seems like that is the case.

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Speaker 1: I wonder right now if you could see there's like

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Speaker 1: a lot of green shoots with Republicans starting to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of like, this guy's pulling under the

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Speaker 1: bush line. Maybe we should pretend to care about things

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Speaker 1: that we used to pretend to care about. And I'm wondering, like,

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Speaker 1: It seems very clear from what we saw Republican Senator

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Speaker 1: John Curtis say yesterday that there is going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of investigation over Donald Trump Jr. 's second

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Speaker 1: wedding being paid for by a Russian oligarch. We've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of hearings with Todd Blanch where he said

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Speaker 1: things like, I'm the president's lawyer. Just walk me through

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Speaker 1: your sense of what the DOJ looks like right now.

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Speaker 5: Conflicts of interest are everywhere in the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people like Todd Blanch have not even tried

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Speaker 5: to hide the fact that their primary loyalty is to

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, the man, not to the citizens of the

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Speaker 5: United States. When I worked at the Justice Department, it

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Speaker 5: was my understanding that I served the American people, my

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Speaker 5: fellow citizens. That is not how the Justice Department is

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Speaker 5: operating now. Employees are expected to serve the president personally.

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Speaker 5: And that's one of the reasons why people like Don Jr.

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Speaker 5: have been able to get away with such egregious abuse

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Speaker 5: of the public's trust, abuse of their access to the president,

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Speaker 5: because nobody is cracking down on it. One thing that

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Speaker 5: I thought was really significant about the letter that Senator

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Speaker 5: Curtis said is that it wasn't limited to the wedding.

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Speaker 5: We know that Don Jr. 's wedding being paid for

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Speaker 5: by a Russian oligarch has kind of broken through into

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Speaker 5: the mainstream as something that is problematic. But Curtis also

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Speaker 5: cited a number of other things that he believes should

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Speaker 5: be investigated, including Don Jr. 's cryptocurrency investments, his investments

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Speaker 5: in industries that are regulated by his father, like defense

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Speaker 5: contracting and prediction markets. He cited a whole host of

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Speaker 5: ways that the Trumps are all making money hand over

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Speaker 5: fist that he believes ought to be investigated. So my

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Speaker 5: hope is that there will be some bipartisan movement for

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Speaker 5: that type of investigation in Congress after the midterms. But

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Speaker 5: the likelihood of DOJ investigating any of that, as long

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Speaker 5: as Todd Blanch is in the building, is almost zero.

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Speaker 5: They have completely abandoned investigations into any type of political

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Speaker 5: corruption or really into any of the sectors where Donald

709
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Speaker 5: Trump has personal financial interests. Cryptocurrency is a great example.

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Speaker 5: They shut down the Specialized Enforcement Task Force that was

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Speaker 5: charged with investigating sophisticated cryptocurrency scams. Because Donald Trump likes

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Speaker 5: cryptocurrency and he wants it to flourish. And so they're

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Speaker 5: not going to bring prosecutions in that sector because they

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Speaker 5: could be contrary to Trump's personal financial interests.

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Speaker 1: So Dexter Falcons at The New Yorker had this really

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Speaker 1: expansive piece about the many conflicts of interest that Trump's

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Speaker 1: two peacemakers, Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner, are engaged in

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Middle East. And we have

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Speaker 1: Wyckoff's son profiting. I mean, we just, it is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: ethics violation after ethics violation after ethics violation. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's going to be an ability to unravel some

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Speaker 1: of that if Democrats win the House?

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Speaker 5: Certainly there will be investigations in Congress and Congress will

724
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Speaker 5: try to unravel that. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: if crimes are being committed, only the Justice Department can

726
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Speaker 5: prosecute those crimes. Congress can refer matters to DOJ for

727
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Speaker 5: investigation and potential prosecution, but they can't force DOJ to prosecute.

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Speaker 5: And it just seems incredibly clear that Todd Blanch is

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Speaker 5: not going to prosecute anybody who is allied with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Can the states prosecute stuff like that?

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Speaker 5: So, yes, that's a great point. The states can potentially

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Speaker 5: prosecute some of these offenses, but certain things are really

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Speaker 5: within exclusive federal domain. Things like conflicts of interest by

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Speaker 5: federal employees, which can be illegal under federal law, would

735
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Speaker 5: generally be the province of federal prosecutors. And typically more

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Speaker 5: sophisticated financial crimes are prosecuted by the feds because they

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Speaker 5: have superior resources to do that type of investigation and prosecution.

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Speaker 5: But there are some states that are trying to fill

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Speaker 5: the gaps. And I believe we'll try to bring some

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Speaker 5: of these cases. There are certain immunity issues that arise

741
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Speaker 5: when federal government employees are the potential defendants. So that's

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Speaker 5: another hurdle for the states. But I don't think the

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Speaker 5: states are going to, you know, shrink away from any

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Speaker 5: of this.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not. And I mean, we've seen these Democratic AGs

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Speaker 1: get together. I have more Todd Blanch questions. But first,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, with the Democratic AGs and

748
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Speaker 1: the Paramount deal, Clearly, there is a lot going on

749
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes with the Paramount deal that we're not seeing.

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Speaker 1: And there are definitely conflicts of interest. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: just a lot there. Do you think there's a world

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Speaker 1: in which that deal happens and then there's some, like,

753
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Speaker 1: once the AGs have compromised, is it a fait accompli?

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to gum up the works at

755
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Speaker 1: this point?

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Speaker 5: The state AGs are really the ones that are holding

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Speaker 5: the line. I mean, DOJ has stopped enforcing antitrust laws

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Speaker 5: almost altogether. So I think the public is really counting

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Speaker 5: on the state AGs to continue to hold the line there.

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Speaker 5: And if they don't, that's really problematic. But a lot

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Speaker 5: of them have really done more than their share of

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Speaker 5: the work in antitrust matters, including the Paramount merger.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of state AGs, Raul Torres, who's the AG for

764
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Speaker 1: New Mexico, has been working on the Zorro Ranch investigation.

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Speaker 1: We know that it's the Epstein Ranch in New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We know that it was never searched. We know that

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Speaker 1: it was, I mean, that this case just like fell apart.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that he'll be able to sort of

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Speaker 1: do anything there? I mean, just Give me your sort

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Speaker 1: of from your experience in the DOJ.

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Speaker 5: Well, all of the evidence is really in possession of

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Speaker 5: the Justice Department. And if the Justice Department does not

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Speaker 5: share what they have with state authorities, it's very hard

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Speaker 5: for state authorities to investigate and prosecute on their own.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of the crux of the problem. Todd Blanche said...

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Speaker 5: before he even became attorney general, that he believes it's

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Speaker 5: time for the Justice Department to move on from the

778
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Speaker 5: Epstein matter. He said the Epstein files should not be

779
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Speaker 5: part of anything that the Justice Department is doing going forward.

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Speaker 5: So he has made it clear that the matter is

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Speaker 5: closed from his perspective and the Justice Department is not

782
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Speaker 5: looking to cooperate with states that are trying to continue

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Speaker 5: to investigate and bring charges, that it's still theoretically possible

784
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Speaker 5: that states could do that, but without the cooperation of

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Speaker 5: the federal authorities that have all of the evidence in

786
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Speaker 5: their possession, it's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: So would you talk about Speaking of Epstein, Ghislaine, because

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Speaker 1: the story is Todd Blanche goes to talk to Ghislaine. First,

789
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems there was some amount of leaking.

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Speaker 1: Ghislaine's lawyer made a sort of foray. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: definitely was some information put out there, right? And there

792
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Speaker 1: was a piece of this sort of evidence released. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it seemed as if Ghislaine's people were sort of trying

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Speaker 1: to get attention. Todd Blanche goes and meets with her,

795
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Speaker 1: talks to her, and then moves her to a cushier jail.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us, What you think happened there? And then also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how abnormal that is.

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Speaker 5: Ghislaine Maxwell appears to have cut a corrupt deal with

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Speaker 5: Todd Blanche to get herself transferred to this minimum security

800
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Speaker 5: prison where she does not belong in exchange for providing

801
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Speaker 5: testimony that purported to exonerate Donald Trump for any wrongdoing

802
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Speaker 5: in connection with Jeffrey Epstein. Todd Blanche, while he was

803
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Speaker 5: the deputy attorney general, the number two at the Justice Department,

804
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Speaker 5: traveled to Florida and spent two days meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 5: For the deputy attorney general to personally do something like

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Speaker 5: that is absolutely extraordinary. I mean, I cannot overemphasize how

807
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:13,270
Speaker 5: bonkers it is for the DAG to personally go and

808
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:17,049
Speaker 5: meet with an incarcerated federal prisoner for two days. That

809
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:19,730
Speaker 5: just does not happen. And it shows that he was

810
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Speaker 5: really there on behalf of Donald Trump, who is his

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Speaker 5: client above all else. You know, he's not there on

812
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Speaker 5: behalf of the United States. He's there to try to

813
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Speaker 5: solve a problem for Donald Trump. And Maxwell understood what

814
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Speaker 5: her role was. Her role was to say nice things

815
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Speaker 5: about Trump. She said that she never witnessed him do

816
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Speaker 5: anything improper in connection with Jeffrey Epstein. And almost as

817
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Speaker 5: soon as that meeting was concluded, Todd Blanch orchestrated her

818
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Speaker 5: transfer to a minimum security prison, which is extraordinary. Because

819
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Speaker 5: under longstanding Justice Department policy, decades and decades of policy,

820
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Speaker 5: people convicted of sex offenses like Glenn Maxwell are not

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Speaker 5: permitted to be housed in minimum security prison camps. That's

822
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Speaker 5: because those facilities are open to the community. You can

823
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Speaker 5: just drive right up. People can come and go. The

824
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Speaker 5: people who are incarcerated there are trusted to come back

825
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Speaker 5: and not to venture into the community, which is why

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Speaker 5: people with sex offenses can't be housed in those facilities.

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Speaker 5: I am not aware of any other prisoner ever receiving

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Speaker 5: an exemption from that role until Ghislaine Maxwell, which was

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Speaker 5: clearly a reward for her playing her role in purporting

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Speaker 5: to exonerate Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So is that legal? And if it's not legal, could

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Speaker 1: Todd Blanch be prosecuted for that?

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Speaker 5: So it was not permitted under DOJ policy. until recently.

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Speaker 5: And let me come back to that. But the DOJ's policies,

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Speaker 5: you know, they're not laws in the sense that you

836
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Speaker 5: could be prosecuted for violating a policy, but they are

837
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Speaker 5: just the way DOJ operates to preserve institutional integrity and

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Speaker 5: to protect the public. So I don't think that Todd

839
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Speaker 5: Blandage can be prosecuted necessarily for transferring Ghislaine Maxwell. But

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Speaker 5: what he has done since then is really extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: He actually.

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Speaker 5: rewrote BOP policy to allow himself as the attorney general

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Speaker 5: to override the BOP's decisions about where to send federal

844
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Speaker 5: prisoners and decide himself where particular people should go. That

845
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Speaker 5: would mean that he could decide that anybody who's a

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Speaker 5: friend of Donald Trump goes to minimum security no matter

847
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Speaker 5: what they have done, or anybody who's willing to pay

848
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Speaker 5: a large sum of money could go to a minimum

849
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Speaker 5: security camp. And the flip side of it is that

850
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Speaker 5: people who have opposed Donald Trump, say, for example, ICE protesters,

851
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Speaker 5: they could be sent to maximum security facilities or people

852
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,549
Speaker 5: like John Bolton who have been prosecuted and who are

853
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,830
Speaker 5: enemies of the president. You know, he committed a white

854
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Speaker 5: collar type of crime. He has no criminal history. So

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Speaker 5: ordinarily you'd expect him to go to a minimum security camp.

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Speaker 5: But under this new policy, Todd Blanch has the authority

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Speaker 5: to send him to a supermax prison if he chooses.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. That is just, I mean, right? Wow. Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder, the other thing I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you is like, when we look at this, we look

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Speaker 1: at this landscape for a minute. Like, what do you

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Speaker 1: think if you are Democrats in oversight, what is the

863
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Speaker 1: thing you think is like the best tact for getting accountability?

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Speaker 1: Because you have voters who desperately want accountability. You have Epstein.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just have so much crime. Like, what

866
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Speaker 1: would be the thing you would point them to?

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Speaker 5: I would say follow the money. There is so much

868
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Speaker 5: money that has been funneled out of our government by

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Speaker 5: people connected to the administration. And that money, it belongs

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Speaker 5: to taxpayers. It belongs to the American people. I think

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Speaker 5: that the Democrats can make a strong case to the

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Speaker 5: American public that this is not a political vendetta. It's

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Speaker 5: not a waste of time and resources. Going after the

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Speaker 5: money that is owed to the taxpayers is in the

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Speaker 5: interests of all Americans. That would include the money that

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Speaker 5: has been forgiven to people who've received pardons, people who've

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Speaker 5: been pardoned, who owed hundreds of millions of dollars to

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Speaker 5: the victims of their crimes. It would include that money.

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Speaker 5: It would include money that has been improperly allocated to

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Speaker 5: businesses of people connected with the administration through government contracting,

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Speaker 5: like Kristi Noem and Corey Lewandowski. It would include the

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Speaker 5: money that the Trump family has made off of conflicts

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Speaker 5: of interest and dealings with the government. There is just

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Speaker 5: so much money Right. Makes sense. Makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you, Liz. I hope you'll come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'd love to. That would be great.

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Speaker 3: And now your moment of suffering.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: Somalia, one thing I know about Stephen Miller, aside from

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Speaker 2: his hatred of brown people, is that he really doesn't

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Speaker 2: like a leak. And I have bad news for Stephen

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Speaker 2: Miller because they're leaking like a sieve over there at

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Speaker 2: the Office of Remigration.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening. I mean, this headline just kills it, right?

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Speaker 1: assorted revelations about the white nationalist-themed Office of Remigration should

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Speaker 1: galvanize Democrats. So this is where they send people to

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Speaker 1: places they've never been. The only refugees they admit right

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Speaker 1: now are white South African because they are white genocide

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Speaker 1: you may remember trump and miller are obsessed with white

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Speaker 1: genocide because they love to solve problems that don't exist

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Speaker 1: there is so much fucked up shit going on in

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Speaker 1: this white house that it's like at every point it's

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Speaker 1: just kind of shocking and this is just like another

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Speaker 1: layer of insane dysfunction. Stephen Miller is such a terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible figure, and he's involved in so much morally reprehensible

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Speaker 1: stuff that this should be job one. That's it for

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Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds in politics make

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