WEBVTT - #130 - Harry Mack 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.040 Bulet cav Podcast special guests in here who just tore 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.320 down the freestyle. Go check that out on the YouTube channel. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.360 It's there as well. Harry Mack is here, Yes, sir, 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.000 welcome Man, Thanks for having me. Man. Hey, yeah, Man, 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.080 you've been on your shit lately, Bro, Thank you, Bro. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.960 Appreciate that. So, for people who don't know, you're kind 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.119 of known for your ability to rap very well, but 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.320 more importantly like off of the top of the dome, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.639 which is something that is a lost art form. We 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.120 have a freestyle series on the show, and I would 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.879 venture to say ninety five percent of the bars that 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.199 have ever been wrapped on our show is written. We 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.960 still call them freestyles. Obviously that term is like evolved, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.159 but like in the old school old head term that 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.919 me and you live by, you are the true definition 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.760 of a freestyle artist. Thank you, Bro. I appreciate that. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.440 But no, you've done a really good job of you know, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.240 I feel like people before you who might have had 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.320 your talent also different eras right, but like you've done 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.480 a good job of like figuring out a way to 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.959 build like a universe and monetize your skill. So kind 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.520 of like you've had a great pandemic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.760 have Yeah. It's weird to say, you know, because obviously 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.000 there's been a lot of pain for a lot of 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.919 people through the pandemic, and I think we've all brushed 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.959 shoulders with that pain in one way or another. But 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.840 from a business standpoint for me, and just from a 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.080 creative standpoint, you know, I've had the time and the 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.480 space to really build, like you say, build a universe 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.480 around what I'm doing, and kind of build a brand 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.319 around being an off top freestyler, right, you know, And 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.280 I think I'm really fortunate. Man. You mentioned how you know, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.119 cats from from the previous era weren't always able to 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.200 monetize the off top freestyle thing. I feel really fortunate 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.120 to be alive in this Internet era, you know. I 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.720 really do think it's almost made for that. Yeah. That's 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.520 the difference, right. It's like now we live in a 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.160 time where, you know, previously it's like if you're an 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.200 incredibly talented off top freestyler, a record label is going 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.120 to be like, yo, that's dope, we don't know what 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.240 to do with it. Sorry. You know, it's like okay, cool. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.000 Like when you have a hit song, hit us up, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.320 you know, Meanwhile, this talent is like insane and everybody 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.440 who sees it live loves it, but it just doesn't 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.600 fit in with the structure that sort of exists already. Now, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.680 we live in a time where anybody with a phone 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.880 can get on these free platforms and build a personal 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.560 brand with whatever they're into doing, and if there's an 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.120 audience for it that enjoys it, you can monetize it. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:23.720 And so, yeah, I know you've been doing this for 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.000 a while. I first saw you on the Creuse Show. Yeah, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.640 probably four or five years ago. And what is like 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.680 the platform that like really first started to really like 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.040 pop off for you in like a serious way. YouTube 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.799 was definitely the first in terms of like in terms 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.919 of social platforms you mean yea, yeah, yeah, YouTube was 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.720 the first one that was the big one actually, YouTube 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.880 and Facebook. Oddly enough, because I had a video back 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.200 in February twenty seventeen. It was just called Venice Beach 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.200 Freestyle Part one and it was just me out there 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.200 on the Venice Boardwalk. Scary place to be nowadays, by 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.440 the way, I know, Yeah, it's a lot different now. Yeah, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.000 post pandemic or whatever, mid pandemic through right now exactly 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.280 wherever we're at in this crazy timeline. What is time 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.560 anymore anyway? But uh no, man, Yeah, I was out there. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:13.720 It was funny. We had been there all day trying 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.680 to freestyle for groups and stuff and just you know, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.760 getting rejected, getting yelled at, hey, don't do this in 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.240 front of my store, no filming, no whatever, whatever, And 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.600 we were frustrated, and eventually my boy, who was with 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.639 me filming it on my phone, was like, yo, just 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.560 start wrapping and see what happens. So I started rhyming 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.080 on the on the boardwalk, and one by one, you know, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.560 this crowd starts to form, and it was kind of 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.240 like it was very serendipitous, you know, the crowd that forms. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.200 It looks like we hired people to be the crowd 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.640 because it's so like diverse. And there's like these like 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.800 preppy boys on bikes and like polos and shorts. Then 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.000 there's like this stoner couple with a big dude and 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.760 the Bob Marley shirt, smoking an em you know, and 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.720 just one by one, it's like you get sort of 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.200 this whole picture of like the diversity of the Venice 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:57.600 strip in front of me. We ended up with like 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.880 forty or fifty people gathered around me and I'm wrapping 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:03.240 at everybody's clothes and everything like that, And that video 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.320 went super viral, both on YouTube and on Facebook, and 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.440 that was kind of the beginning of of people knowing 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.560 about Harry mag I guess, how long have you been 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.760 doing the omeegal freestyles? Yeah? I guess. Uh, we like 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.000 a year and a half, right, So you started that 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.839 during the pandemic. I started it during the pandemic. Yeah, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.760 let me ask you something, because that's a sketch place illegal. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.479 You know, you might fuck around to go in there. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.760 There's a fifty five year old truck driver jerking off, like, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.080 oh yeah, absolutely, has that happened? That's specific? Maybe not 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.440 that's specific. Yeah, well he's like I didn't know his occupation, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.400 but it was fifty five and Dick was out. I've 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.479 seen some things, definitely, I've seen some things, but not 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.320 as many. So here's the thing. It's funny actually, like 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.600 before the pandemic, people were making alegal content on YouTube, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.480 and so people would be in my comments like, yo, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.920 your shit would crush on amigal because really what I 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.360 make is reaction based content. It's about people who don't 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.479 know that I'm going to be dope and then I 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.000 do a freestyle and then hopefully I blow their mind. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.360 And that's what's fun about watching it in a large part, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.279 so people would hit me up and be like, do 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.040 it on amgal. But I knew kind of what was 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.400 up with amgal, and I think I just remember chat 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.480 roulette back in the day, exactly, and it was like 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.479 a dark place exactly. They always any any site that 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:17.159 randomly pairs strangers on video chat is a recipe for disaster. Yes, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.560 like it's gonna be corrupted. So I avoided amgal for 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.039 a long time, and then you know, a few months 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.760 into the pandemic, it's like, damn, we can't go out 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.560 and shoot our regular content, Like let me check this 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.000 out and see what's up. And actually now it's a 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:31.680 lot better than it used to be because they have 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.240 these tags, interest tags or whatever, so you could type 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:39.320 in hip hop, it's like whatever you're into. And they 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.720 also have much and that creates a lot more filtering. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.680 So if you don't use those, you see a ton 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.320 of dicks. If you use those, I maybe see you know, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.039 like in all my time making the series, honestly, in 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.800 terms of actually seeing a dick. I've probably seen like twenty. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.840 It's a solid money and I have like sixty episodes, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.280 you know. I mean it's more than I would say 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.200 terrible ratio though, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:01.760 would have liked to have not seen anybody. I mean, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.600 it's funny. He's not bad, That's what I'm saying. Like 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.599 people assume because people don't want there to try to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.719 find me and they don't know about the interest tags 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.640 and then so they're just like, I can't find you 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.240 on me. I just keep seeing dicks. Yeah, and they're like, wow, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.080 you must have a terrible PTSD, like you should be counseling, 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.400 Like the amount of dicks are exposed too must be absurd. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.680 But it's really not. It's not as crazy. Yeah. Have 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.640 you had like a bad experience on there, like where 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.200 you were freestyling and something weird happened. I've had some 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.039 sketch experiences on there while I'm freestyling. Yeah, like where 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.599 where I stopped the freestyling was like, Bro, you know, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.920 you need to get help, like people doing like weird 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.159 drugs and stuff like on the on the screen where 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:38.920 like you're wrapping and then someone comes up with a 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.000 meth pipe, Like yeah, essentially, Yeah, like I don't know 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.760 what's in it, and it could be a prop, you know, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.120 it could be they could be trolling. But it's still 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.440 just like insanely uncomfortable and I stop it and I'm like, oh, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.960 don't don't do that. Yeah, And also and everyone can 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.080 see your face and like, don't do you know, people 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.640 don't understand the internet. It feels like, you know where 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.440 I'm just like, hey, man, like people forget that that 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.080 shit is there forever. Yeah, it's on a server somewhere 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.240 at least forever. And you've got to assume people are 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:08.119 screencapping everything you're doing. This is true. So what about 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.880 the TikTok? And I know you were on Twitch a lot, right, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.480 So like those are obviously kind of two platforms that 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.520 you know, a lot of people I know, especially DJs, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.800 took advantage of Twitch big time during the pandemic. Yeah, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.280 and man, I know some people who are getting crazy 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.960 checks just DJing on Twitch. Hell yeah, how did the 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.000 Twitch shit for you? Like, cause you know, in the 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.239 hip hop community, we got Kenny Beads is huge on Twitch. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.560 But like, how did you kind of turn what you 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.520 do into something that worked for the Twitch. Yeah, so 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.720 with what I do, you know, being being as it's 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.960 all kind of improvised off top, It's like what I 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.520 need is some kind of randomization, you know, like people 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.960 in the chat like, yeah, exactly, we just did a freestyle. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.160 You threw me words out loud. That's always dope. That's 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.760 like the classic way of doing this, and uh, you know, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.080 in this case, it's just a live chat feed people 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.760 putting words in there. Yeah. Yeah, So basically any like 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.960 live streaming platform, book, live YouTube, live Twitch, they all 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.200 work really well for what I do. The only the 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.440 learning curve was like reading it and incorporating it from 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.160 a written word as opposed to hearing it out loud. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.160 It's different. It's like a slightly different part of the 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.680 brain or something. I don't know the science of it, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.280 but it was a bit of a challenge in the 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.120 beginning because rhyme is all about sound. It has nothing 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.640 to do with how something spells, like Devil doesn't rhyme 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.160 with evil. They look like they rhyme correct, but they don't. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.400 So you kind of it's like I have to read 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:29.760 it and then hear it in my head, and then 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.240 I'm like, oh, okay, now I know where to go 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.160 while you're wrapping, while you're at Yeah, it's a lot 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.920 of multitasking. It's kind of a what at what point 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.880 in time were you able to say to yourself, I 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.000 can fully support my life off of my skill. Wow, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.360 that's a great question. I feel like it was like 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:54.000 twenty eighteen. I feel like twenty eighteen, I did a 0:08:54.040 --> 0:09:00.280 Mitsubishi commercial and uh, it was crazy because I I 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.720 was used to being like pretty much broke. You know, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.880 I'm a jazz drummer. I don't know if you know that, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.800 but I did not know that my background. Yeah, so 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.000 my background is playing jazz gigs, and so that was 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.920 like your gig, like, like you besides rapping you were 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.920 that was like pay the bills and teaching drum lessons. Yeah. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.480 I've been a professional musician supporting myself for a long time, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.360 you know, I think like ten years. Yeah. But but 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.800 the hustle of a of a jazz drummer in the 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.600 modern world, as you might imagine, is a serious, an 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.200 intense hustle, serious hustle. It's an intense hull and it's 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.760 not you know, it's not glamorous in any sense. I mean, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.360 I was playing like bar gigs where we're crammed in 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.600 a corner and just being told play quieter, play quieter. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.439 You know, you're disturbing whatever, you know, don't do your thing, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.120 so like stop being so aggressive, and you're out there 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.120 trying to pour your soul into this thing you love. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.680 And it's like, you know, we're doing here for the ambiance. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.800 and we're getting paid fifty bucks or something. And the 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.640 first couple of gigs we got free drinks. Second gig, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:57.920 they're like, yeah, the bar is not gonna do the 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.960 free drink thing anymore. But same time, you cool. And 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.480 so it's a tough grind. Shout out to all the 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.200 jazz musicians, by the way, and I have a lot 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.600 of friends who are still in that world crushing it, right, 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.720 and I know what it really means to be crushing 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.000 it in that world, So shouts out to anybody doing that. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.360 But for me, you know, I was like barely making 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.240 my rant, barely barely getting by doing jazz gigs. And 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.400 then in twenty eighteen, I did I got hired to 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.720 do a commercial for Mitsubishi, which was like kind of 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.200 based on my videos where I'm dressed up like car 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.840 salesman at the Mitsubeci dealership and then people getting the 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.960 car to test drive it, and I'm sitting next to them, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.640 and then I'd start rhyming about the car and shit 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.680 like that out of nowhere and get reactions and stuff. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.679 And that was my first like check kind of you know, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.400 and it wasn't anything crazy, but like for me at 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.240 the time, it was like more money than I'd ever seen. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.120 It was like just enough to be like, oh, I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.320 got to keep doing this exactly, working exactly exactly. And 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.760 I knew before that that I had to keep leaning 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.120 into the freestyle thing just from like the popularity of 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.240 the videos and how much energy there was around it, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.520 but that was the first time I kind of like 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.760 got paid and uh. And then I took some time 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.760 away from YouTube and was like working on a project 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.400 and stuff like that, like an album. Yeah, and that 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.040 was cool, but I kind of like I lived off 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:12.959 the money from Mitsubishi for it. It It was like a 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.439 label advance almost, you know. Luckily I didn't owe it 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.440 back here, but I lived off it for a while 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.960 and like worked on shit and didn't really think about 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.880 like what am I gonna do when this gets low, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.120 And sure enough it got low, and again I was 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.760 at a point where I was like, Yo, I'm gonna 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.560 have to like apply to Trader Joe's and fucking start. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.200 I'm gonna have to like get a fucking job, you know. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:31.959 Like I looked up one day and was like, I'm 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.560 gonna have to get a job. And then uh and 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.959 shout out to my girlfriend, who was like, fuck that, 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.439 Like you're dope, man. 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Like 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.319 you know, if you look at the Best Albums of 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.640 the Year nominees in twenty twenty, it was like Royce 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.800 and Jay, Electronica and Freddie Gibbs and it was just 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.559 like all this ill rap shit. Yeah, like I feel 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.600 like like a certain amount of like maybe it's time 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.320 opening up or the way people are consuming shit. But 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.679 did you feel like an uptick in your shit, like 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.079 when everything shut down big time? I think it was 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.640 a few things for everyone, and maybe a few things 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.000 specifically for me. But one was like everybody was at 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.240 home and everybody was scared, you know what I mean, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.120 or uncomfortable or sad or whatever, and people were just 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.440 looking for content to distract them or to consume their time. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:13:59.720 You know, people were just sitting on the couch one 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.240 of the watch something, you know, to pass the time. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.000 And so people who were providing content suddenly had an 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.160 opportunity like to really step up. I think the other 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.600 thing is like previously, it's like Hollywood is doing these 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.720 big budgets, super produced things, and everybody else is at 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.000 home with their little webcam. But then all of a sudden, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.000 like overnight, it was like you go on Netflix and 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.480 people are on webcams. You watch the news and it's 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.160 like the shitty webcams, you know what I mean, Like 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.160 everybody was at home proome content with the same webcams, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.160 and like suddenly the tech part was taken out of 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.120 it kind of where it's like it's not such a 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.880 huge difference between a random YouTube content creator and like 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.760 what you're seeing on TV. And so that was kind 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.400 of like a leveler I feel like in a lot 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.800 of ways, Like figure it was a level playing field 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.120 in exact way. And so then it just came back 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.400 to the quality of what you're making, you know. It 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.680 just came back to like, if you're making something valuable, 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.240 then you have a you have a chance to really win, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.680 right now. Yeah that's real man. Yeah. Pandemic was good 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.480 to a lot of people. I mean, obviously I'm talking 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.360 about just career wise, Like I feel like people people 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.680 definitely like the people who took advantage of the circumstances. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.680 You know, well, what did they say when someone gives 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:13.520 you shit? Turn it in? Lemonade? An Atmosphere album? Yes, yeah, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.520 isn't that an atmosphere album? It is, it is, but 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.640 it's something it's a twist one, not that it's a twist. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.240 Whatever I just said is not the name of the album, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.320 but there's some sort of atmosphere album that's close close 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.080 enough to that. Yes, what are you working on right now? 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.000 Do you have anything coming? Like? I know you're putting 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.480 out weekly videos and you're you're on your ship, but 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.320 like as far as like, are you gonna put out 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.360 original music soon? Definitely? Definitely. Yeah, I'm going hard on 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.280 the video content as always, but yeah, in terms of 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.840 original music, I've been having a lot of fun, man, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.560 exploring kind of how to use my freestyling to create records, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.000 you know, and uh, because I just don't I don't 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.040 like to write, Like I don't enjoy sitting with a 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.120 If I sit with a blank page and a pen, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:53.720 I feel like I don't know how to wrap, and 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.400 I'll just sit there forever looking at it like I 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.000 what would I what would I ever write right now? 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.280 You know? And then as soon as it's like okay, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:15:59.920 play the beat and start the mic, Then as soon 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.360 as I start rapping, I remember how to wrap. So 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.480 for me, it's just a thing about process. But we've 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.880 actually released two little mini EPs, like little three song 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.120 projects in the last six months or so that were 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.720 either fully off top or or like a hybrid where 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.680 it's like I'll jot some ideas and then kind of 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.560 just go in the booth and go off top. And 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:19.800 the fan base has been rocking with them, man, and 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.960 so I'm excited to continue exploring that path. We just 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.640 released one called Soliloquies about a month ago that that 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.200 people are rocking with on my YouTube and stuff like that, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.400 and those are coming out to like DSP, Spotify and 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.160 Apple Music and all that. So I want to continue 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.560 kind of exploring that process of doing what I'm comfortable 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.280 with but still being able to release like official albums 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.720 and projects. What like inspired you to start freestyling back 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.280 in the day, Like what was that first? Like you know, yeah, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.200 It's funny because there's a couple of like really early childhood, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.560 Like I saw Wayne Brady on Who's Line when I 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.600 was in third grade and I was like what I 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.120 was like, I asked my mom. I was like, wait, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.200 what's the trick? Like they give him the stuff ahead, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:16:59.920 he wrote it in advance and there are a plan 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.600 Like I was the skeptic in my comment section when 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.800 I first saw Yeah, because he would make songs about 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.600 people you know, but he would sing and stuff. It 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.160 was on whose line, but he would learn their job, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.800 favorite color, whatever, whatever, and create this like brilliant song 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.280 with the chorus and stuff off the top. That was 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.760 the first time my mind got blown from like lyrical 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.520 improv and then from a hip hop standpoint, without a doubt, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:26.680 the person that lit the fire for me was Supernatural Supernat. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.200 shout out to Supernat, like he's the goat freestyler. I agree, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.560 but yeah, I was exposed to a project he had 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.159 called the Lost Freestyle Files. When I was in like 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.720 sixth grade. I would walk up to Music Millennium. It 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.040 was the record store by my house, and one of 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.640 the dudes who worked there was a hip hop head. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.760 So at the end of the hip hop aisle he 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.520 would put like his top five picks of the week, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.800 and one week, one of those top five picks was 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.119 Supernatural Lost Freestyle Files. And I didn't know who Supernat was, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.480 but I was already into freestyling. We would watch like 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.840 one oh six in Park Battles and stuff like that 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.960 and just try to try to do our little freestyle. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:01.800 You know. We were super whack, but we were having 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.200 fun and uh so I saw it in just off 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.080 the strength of the title. I was like, oh, freestyle files. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.840 I like the freestyle, let's check it out. And good 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.240 thing I did, because that record definitely blew my fucking mind. Man, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.280 like that shit, because when I heard Supernat again, it 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.120 was like the first time I saw Wayne Brady where 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.199