WEBVTT - The Fix is In: Competition Crimes

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a second I'd love to share it

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Okay, you ever injured yourself taking a selfie? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I have not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, did you know that's very common.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, injuring yourself taking a selfie?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very very common. One in ten people have injured

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<v Speaker 2>themselves taking a selfie.

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<v Speaker 3>Now is this hurting their arms or their muscles, or

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<v Speaker 3>is this falling over.

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<v Speaker 2>All of their musculature as well as their bones?

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting?

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<v Speaker 2>Anything is at risk with a selfie? In fact, did

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<v Speaker 2>you know it is more dangerous for a human being

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<v Speaker 2>to take a selfie than to go swimming with sharks?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? You're kidding me.

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<v Speaker 2>More people die each year from taking selfies than from

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<v Speaker 2>shark attacks. Selfie sticks. No, people just they trip, they

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<v Speaker 2>fall over cliffs. I know I shouldn't be laughing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for the sharks too, because hopefully fewer sharks

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<v Speaker 2>will be killed this way, because people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to be afraid of sharks. We should

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<v Speaker 2>start killing phones. I like that, hunting down and killing phones.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah yes, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Putting a fish in a fish to win a boat.

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<v Speaker 4>This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 4>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>You damn right, yes it is. Could you imagine if

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<v Speaker 3>we did the whole show.

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<v Speaker 2>In NPR voices and NPR voices. I think that would

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<v Speaker 2>be very refreshing for some people.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I could do it. I'm not sure about you.

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<v Speaker 2>I might go to sleep though talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I definitely would. Are you a competitive persons?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Now, I'm very from a competitive family. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>very competitive person. I don't I like to think that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of those mean competitive people because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not competing against other people. I'm only ever competing with

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<v Speaker 2>my show. I was taught that at a young age

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<v Speaker 2>and that's stuck with me. But I will get very

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<v Speaker 2>mad at myself for losing itself, right, it can be.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be unpleasant to watch me lose, But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mean about it. I'm just yea upset.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to say that I'm not competitive, Yes, but

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<v Speaker 3>you are.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's kind of like how I say, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>watch Yes, but I don't watch TV shows like the

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<v Speaker 4>smash Hit nine one one.

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<v Speaker 3>I just moved from Fox to ABC, and if I

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<v Speaker 3>watch TV, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>How I feel about Are you happy about that? If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know if.

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<v Speaker 3>There's going to be meddling from the mouse house? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know anything about it. Anyway, I say I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not competitive. It's almost true.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not competitive with like people in the workplace or

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<v Speaker 4>like other writers. Writers are competitive, oh god there and petty, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not I'm happy for everyone whenever anything good happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I tend to be an actor, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they would be really competitive. Writers are so much more

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<v Speaker 2>competitive and petty and also undermining. They do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff with like campaigns.

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<v Speaker 4>To yes yes, And so that's why I kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like I've narrowed it down right. I don't really interact

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<v Speaker 4>with a lot of writers.

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<v Speaker 2>True writer behavior, you realize the lesson.

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<v Speaker 4>Not like socially competitive, like about status stuff like I

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<v Speaker 4>want everyone to see what kind of carry driver?

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<v Speaker 3>Without who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't tell people about this for a coat you're wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Shut up? What is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Am though competitive when it comes to things like trivia,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a beast.

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<v Speaker 4>Trivia like I become a whole another person, or games

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<v Speaker 4>like Rummy Cube or I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>You play bar trivia where you made a table whole

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<v Speaker 2>table cry so and that family looked at me like

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to stop her? And I was like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>go back to your talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Brings out the best and the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does, because like I do really.

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<v Speaker 4>Well in various categories, like especially if there's word puzzles.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to go to this one where they had

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<v Speaker 4>handouts and.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Got in the zone. And then that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm viciously competitive. My trivia team is called Steve Harvey Oswald.

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<v Speaker 4>You're on my trivia team.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. My brother's on a team now. He is

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<v Speaker 3>not competitive, No, he's not, but fun I make up

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets a little competitive though, once you start winning.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't want to lose. You're winning, that is true, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and he does. He wants to hang on.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to I become another person. It's totally wild.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a true believer in obeying the rules. To an extent. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So like I won't check my phone for answers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, not like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do like to do little tricks that okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So like I like to pretend that I'm new to

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<v Speaker 4>pub trivia and then I loudly whisper supposed answers to

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<v Speaker 4>my teammates.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and then I get all excited.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in on it and so and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I know the answer, and they tell me to keep

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<v Speaker 4>it down that the other teams are going to hear

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<v Speaker 4>me saying the right answer, and it's intentionally wrong but

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<v Speaker 4>like feasible.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a pantomime you're pulling where you go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a long time, it's bulcarrier.

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<v Speaker 5>And they're like stop, everyone's going to hear you, and

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<v Speaker 5>like but I know it, and then people are like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh crap, and like, so Traviy my brother, he's not competitive,

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<v Speaker 5>but like you were saying, like when it gets down

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<v Speaker 5>to the wire, he and I had an incident where

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<v Speaker 5>we brushed.

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<v Speaker 3>Up against cheating.

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<v Speaker 4>We were in a sudden death tiebreaker during a trivia

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<v Speaker 4>night on a Mexican riviera cruise. So there we are

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<v Speaker 4>off the coast of Portavada, winning our fourth straight trivia

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<v Speaker 4>night on the boat. Everyone hated us, which is we

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<v Speaker 4>come in and just dust them fourth straight, fourth straight.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember what the question was. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 4>what the answer was, but like we wrote on the zone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was totally in the zone AutoZone. So we wrote

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<v Speaker 4>it down on a piece of paper and like showed

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<v Speaker 4>it to the to the host. He looks, and he

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<v Speaker 4>goes over and walks over and looks at the other

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<v Speaker 4>team's sheet, and like we may have heard a team

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<v Speaker 4>that had been eliminated mentioned the answer after we wrote

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<v Speaker 4>ours down after and then like we may have quickly

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<v Speaker 4>changed the answer on our paper, corrected, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>judge may have forgotten our answer and then come back

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<v Speaker 4>over to take a look aheah, and we may have won.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cheating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it was high stakes, Saren.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to get that fifth when?

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<v Speaker 3>No, do you know what the grand prize was?

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<v Speaker 2>No? What was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Luggage tags?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even luggage, it was luggage.

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<v Speaker 4>My aunt was appalled by our lack of integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with your aunt.

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<v Speaker 4>She she called them the luggage tags of shame. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>because since my behavior, my love language is shame and guilt.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how my behaviors are motivated.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>I wound up like taking the tags and just setting

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<v Speaker 4>them on a bar in the leado deck and walking away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought you're gonna throw them into the sea,

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<v Speaker 2>and like never was back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's pollutions Eric.

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<v Speaker 4>On a boat, like on a cruise ship, you're worried about,

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<v Speaker 4>like destroying the oceans. Hello, I couldn't live with my

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<v Speaker 4>little scam. Others though, the ones who wind up here

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<v Speaker 4>me talking about them.

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<v Speaker 3>They went all in for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have for you today some competition scandals.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not like cycling, doping or fixing college basketball

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<v Speaker 4>nop Okay, we're not living strong right now. These these

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<v Speaker 4>are as inane as cheating at trivia to win luggage tag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>I still carry that guilt. I will never do such

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<v Speaker 4>a thing ever again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to same time I see a luggage tag.

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<v Speaker 3>From now right now, it was not like me. That

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you willing to do to get these luggage tags?

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<v Speaker 2>What would you do for a luggage See?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what out of control. Competition does do it? I

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<v Speaker 4>think humans can't help but make things competitive. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>taking pottery. Look, we have all these TV shows trivia.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I love more than trivia competitions though.

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<v Speaker 2>Baking shows. Bears?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bee. I love you do you really do?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to hug a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>I come into HQ sometimes and you're just sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>watching those videos you watch where they're sitting at the streams.

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<v Speaker 3>Cat my bear cam.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my National Park in southern Alaska. They have they

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<v Speaker 4>have this bear camp. There are volcanoes in this park, salmon,

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<v Speaker 4>most importantly tons of brown bears.

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<v Speaker 2>So cute.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to go there someday and see them in person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like in the summer, they have these decks that

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<v Speaker 4>look over the river and the bears come out and

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<v Speaker 4>they loll around, they gorge on salmon. You can watch

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<v Speaker 4>it on the bear cam.

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<v Speaker 3>As I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I've looked over your shoulder.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you see like mamas teaching their cubs to grab

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<v Speaker 4>fish and like big papas just parking their RUMs in

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<v Speaker 4>the river rapids shoving it on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they're so cute.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, Cat my They've capitalized on this love of

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<v Speaker 4>bears because I'm not alone, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know there are many of you.

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<v Speaker 3>And they hold they hold something called Fat Bear Week.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow I heard of this is good October.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the in October, the brown bears that Catmi

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<v Speaker 4>they've been like prepping for winter hibernation by just gorging

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<v Speaker 4>themselves on sandpors. They increase that's they increase their body

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<v Speaker 4>weight by like fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they eat ninety pounds of food a day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>So the rangers, they have all the bears, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>tagged numbered, and like the naturalists and the rangers at

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<v Speaker 4>the park, they take note of the physical state of

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<v Speaker 4>the bears, and so they decided, like, let's get everyone

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<v Speaker 4>in on this.

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<v Speaker 3>So they they teamed up.

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<v Speaker 4>With explore dot org that's the organization that does the

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<v Speaker 4>bear cam, and they let people cast online votes in

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like a March Madness style bracket Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 4>to determine the bear that has like most effectively and

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<v Speaker 4>impressively plumped up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the real like that that's really.

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<v Speaker 3>The big boss.

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<v Speaker 4>In twenty twenty three, AP News called the competition quote

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<v Speaker 4>Alaska's most watch popularity contest.

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<v Speaker 3>So it started. They started this up back.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty is the reality TV I could watch, yes, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>Bears gaining masks exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So twenty fourteen. It starts up.

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<v Speaker 4>Every year, it just gets more and more popular. Cat

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<v Speaker 4>My park rangers they pick twelve bears out of all

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<v Speaker 4>of them. They post two photos of the animals, one

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<v Speaker 4>taken in mid July and the other one taken in

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<v Speaker 4>early September.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a baseline photos.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, it's like a before and after.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>In twenty twenty two, Fat Bear Week was rocked by scandal.

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<v Speaker 6>How how one of the bears was cheating Organs.

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<v Speaker 2>Bear performance enhancing salmon.

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<v Speaker 3>The ballot had been stuffed, the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuffed like the bears wait salmon.

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<v Speaker 3>In favor of a brown bear called Holly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the voters, of course, the humans are the cheerers. Ar.

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<v Speaker 4>So Holly's government name is Bear four thirty five, and

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<v Speaker 4>she was dusting Bear seven forty seven the semi finals seven.

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<v Speaker 4>But the numbers seemed hinky to the park ranger.

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<v Speaker 2>It was homegirls the first numbers seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So it turns out Holly four thirty five she

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<v Speaker 4>jumped ahead in the in the votes because nine thousand

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<v Speaker 4>votes came in like pretty much all at the same

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<v Speaker 4>time for her, Candice Rush of Explorer dot org. She

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<v Speaker 4>told NPR quote, while not unheard of, it is very

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<v Speaker 4>uncommon for a bear to come back late in the

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<v Speaker 4>day like that. We ended up finding just over nine

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<v Speaker 4>thousand spam votes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, so someone just used.

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<v Speaker 4>Bots right the park. The National Park tweeted quote, like

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<v Speaker 4>bears stuffed their face with fish. Our ballot box too, has.

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<v Speaker 2>Been stuff they practiced that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of delighted with it. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote They're gonna put that on a tote bag.

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<v Speaker 4>It appears someone has decided to spam the Fat Bear

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<v Speaker 4>Week poll. But fortunately it is easy for us to

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<v Speaker 4>tell which votes are fraudulent. We have discard did the

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<v Speaker 4>fake votes, and today's official totals are for seven forty

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<v Speaker 4>seven thirty two thousand, nine hundred and forty votes for

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<v Speaker 4>four thirty five thirty thousand, four hundred and thirty votes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so she lost by like, you know, seven thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a final vote.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not for the for the semi final, that's for

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<v Speaker 4>the semi finals. So the organizers they have a slack

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<v Speaker 4>channel that they used to discuss the event. This is

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<v Speaker 4>like a chat function basically. So the messages were released

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<v Speaker 4>by the National Park Service under a Freedom of Information Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, we haven't quit on them totally.

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<v Speaker 4>Quote maybe we shouldn't call a vote tonight. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't really honor the cheating. This is the discussion

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<v Speaker 4>going on on the slack channel. When the numbers showed

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<v Speaker 4>that seven forty seven had like whooped hollieh. The organizers

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<v Speaker 4>are amazed. Quote damn, that is a wide margin, wider

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<v Speaker 4>than seven forty seven's rear.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is in the slack that they're just.

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<v Speaker 4>Completely amber Craft, who is the interpretation and Education program

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<v Speaker 4>manager at CATMAI. She wrote, quote if we say that

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<v Speaker 4>it was spammed, will that be what reporters are asking

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<v Speaker 4>about instead of staying on the interpretive message.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, She's like, let's stay on message.

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<v Speaker 3>People like it's all about the bears.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys, come on, let's talk about big bears, the juicy

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<v Speaker 6>booties she was afraid of happened CNN, Jezebel, Rolling Stone,

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<v Speaker 6>Bloomberg News, ABC News, NPR.

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<v Speaker 4>They all reach out as they want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the chakinery so craft. She wants to keep

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<v Speaker 4>things on message, so she released the following statement quote.

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<v Speaker 4>The important thing to remember, however, is that despite which

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<v Speaker 4>bear wins the most votes in the Fat Bear Week competition,

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<v Speaker 4>they are all winners. Bears get fat to survive, and

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<v Speaker 4>the health of Catmai's ecosystem, as demonstrated by the sustained

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<v Speaker 4>run of salmon, clean water, and thriving flora and fauna,

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<v Speaker 4>enables their survival. So everyone's like, this is such a

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<v Speaker 4>funny story, and she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, let me throw a blanket on all the fun.

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<v Speaker 3>So why why would someone do this?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to talk about a healthy ecology? Can we

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<v Speaker 2>talk from all?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad she kept it up beat too, So why

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<v Speaker 4>why would someone do.

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<v Speaker 2>This because they love a thick bear?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, one of the staffers thought, quote in the slack,

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<v Speaker 4>what's this out there? Is it mean of me to

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<v Speaker 4>wish the spammer had a lot of money? Writing on

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<v Speaker 4>four thirty five?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, there's bear betting. I don't know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you go into an Irish pub and you can bet

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<v Speaker 2>on a like I don't know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Bet you you could see they will be anything up less. Quote. Well, y'all, you've.

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<v Speaker 4>Made it the weird corners of the internet tried to

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<v Speaker 4>rig the election. That's another Slack quote, and it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a big election.

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<v Speaker 4>The entire contest pulls in more than a million votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Is that a million unique votes?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. Okay, but come on, make it

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<v Speaker 3>sound impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm just wondering.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>As long as we find a way to bring it

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<v Speaker 4>back to the bears, I'm going to count it as

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<v Speaker 4>a win.

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<v Speaker 3>You want, Slack user, have you ever voted in this?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you vote every day?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember you. Would you vote this last time?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Now, would you want to go and like vote

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times?

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<v Speaker 4>You don't vote multiple times, like for each round, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>vote one for the semi finals.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for bracket you're not going through your various

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<v Speaker 2>online personas like I also want to. I'll go this

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<v Speaker 2>way through I use my work account.

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<v Speaker 4>And then just wondering, Well, so they uncover all this

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<v Speaker 4>ballot stuffing, and then the organizers they reviewed the other

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<v Speaker 4>matches for possible signs of tampering. Sure, and like a

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<v Speaker 4>dominion voting machine audit. It was discovered that the outcomes were.

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<v Speaker 3>On the up and up.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, So that meant that Otis and Chunk who

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<v Speaker 4>were ousted midway through the contest, they lost on their

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<v Speaker 4>own merit or lack their own. And going forward, the

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<v Speaker 4>competition now includes a CAPSHA test to prevent bought interference.

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<v Speaker 4>So you have to be able to tell the computer

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<v Speaker 4>like where the stop which pictures have a stop light?

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<v Speaker 3>Or motorcycle crosswalk as a human, I can tell you

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<v Speaker 3>that's not easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can't tell I like that fat bears and

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<v Speaker 2>like shoe beasts have to go through the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to get rid of the bots because they're

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<v Speaker 2>ruining it for everybody exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like you know, back to the competition. Voters have

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<v Speaker 4>more than just the before and after pictures to help

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<v Speaker 4>in their decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>They have centerfolds like bear fans only bears.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they give little bios.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Holly was first identified by park officials in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and one, and her coat is described as quote toasted

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<v Speaker 4>marshmallow in color.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>She's raised several loaders of kids. She's a hardworking mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Toasted marshmallow is an interesting choice because there's a broad spector.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a broad spectrum, and to me, toasted marshmallow is

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<v Speaker 2>closer to the black end because I liked it. Things burnt, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I do like I imagine to you it's more like

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee, and it's like, oh, I put a little

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<v Speaker 2>coffee cream in my coffee. So for both of these,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't picture.

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<v Speaker 4>She's sort of blondeared to her ears. She's uniform color

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<v Speaker 4>like her ears are a little bit lighter.

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<v Speaker 2>The former house painter in me is getting upset the

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<v Speaker 2>non specific use of color. Sorry, I will all back down.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a hard working mom. She is such a hard

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<v Speaker 4>working mom. In twenty fourteen, she took on an orphan

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<v Speaker 4>cub and raised.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, single mom with an orphan cast.

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<v Speaker 3>She deserves to win. Oh, she's a champion. She did win.

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<v Speaker 4>She'd won a fat bear week twenty nineteen, and that

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<v Speaker 4>one she won.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair and square.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a thick queen. That year she was.

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<v Speaker 4>Bear seven forty seven. She's a real battye bear of

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<v Speaker 4>seven forty seven. He doesn't have a street name, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>or a river name. I guess she would say, you

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<v Speaker 4>just call him Mike. He's just seven forty seven, like

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<v Speaker 4>a Travolta hobby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, that is his.

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<v Speaker 3>Number, forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>They didnt give him a little theydn't get like a

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<v Speaker 2>little holly And okay, what's he like? Well you should

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<v Speaker 2>call him Sully because.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you need to get a job up there.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd fit right in.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do that in name paints. These are

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<v Speaker 2>the things I want his jobs getting.

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<v Speaker 3>Bears names Sully Sully forty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's a quote skilled in a angler who is

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<v Speaker 4>found fishing most often in the jacuzzi or near the

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<v Speaker 4>far pool of Brooks Falls fishing. He's the most dominant

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<v Speaker 4>bear and he was the twenty twenty Fat Bear Week champion.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know how much he weighs?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Eighteen hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Fourteen hundred pounds. He's one of the largest brown bears

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<v Speaker 4>on earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was ad thrown off because of grizzlies. I

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<v Speaker 2>know better. So my numbers are off.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's the voting scandal. There was a recount the

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<v Speaker 4>eliminated hanging chads when the dust settled seven forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>The name of Bear Gore and another one. Just let

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<v Speaker 2>it have fun, let it let it run, Let's do

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<v Speaker 2>a classic come on guys throwbacks.

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<v Speaker 3>So seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he won the semi finals. He still had to

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<v Speaker 4>go to the final, of course. Yeah, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>there that he faced bear nine oh one O one

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<v Speaker 4>a quote medium small yet quickly growing adult female.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh aler, not a shower.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a young gu six and a half years old.

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<v Speaker 3>They live to be about twenty five years old.

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<v Speaker 4>I was wondering, yaw five and so nine oh one

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you know young. But she's like down to knock

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<v Speaker 4>a few buck if someone comes and tries to get

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<v Speaker 4>into her fishing spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, she's super defensive. She's like locals only in her

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<v Speaker 3>little fishing get out the Way movie. Yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 3>you know, uh, seven forty seven took it.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, let's keep our eyes on that upstart nine

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<v Speaker 4>oh one oh yeah, over the coming years, and remember

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<v Speaker 4>vote early enough.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got a lot of competitive years up coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, when we come back, we're going to dance on

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<v Speaker 4>into another competition scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>Zarin, Hi, welcome back to the competition. Dojo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like what you're done with this place. What

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<v Speaker 2>color is that?

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<v Speaker 3>That orange safety because it's toasted marshmallows.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's interesting color for the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 3>We heard about Fat Bear Week the most wonderful time

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<v Speaker 3>of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pay attention next time.

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<v Speaker 4>And like bears frolicking at the Tay Bears Picnic, we

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<v Speaker 4>now kick and leap into a new scandal landscape.

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<v Speaker 3>Irish dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, what the Michael Flatley's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>I like when you see grown women like get tipsy

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<v Speaker 4>and break out into Irish dance with their pals in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle of the street, like outside of Barn Sanfrances.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we've seen it. It's delightful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we're talking like top half doesn't move bottom tornado. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>craziest technique.

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<v Speaker 3>So good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>And like the little girls who do Irish dancing have

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<v Speaker 4>major wig action. By the way, have you seen it all?

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<v Speaker 4>Like little ringlets? I am loving that for them?

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<v Speaker 2>About it?

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<v Speaker 3>So Irish dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>It started out in parish halls and the Scottish equivalent

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<v Speaker 4>is the kaylee and that's super fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say drums and jump in.

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<v Speaker 2>This starts like the daughter of drunks would get changed

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<v Speaker 2>thrown at their feet kind of dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably children of drunk dancing around like you know, love

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<v Speaker 4>folk music and like any activity, though, people want to

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<v Speaker 4>turn it into a competition of course, so you're not

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<v Speaker 4>just all getting out there and having a good time

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<v Speaker 4>dancing a better dancer. It's especially popular with what I

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<v Speaker 4>will kindly refer to as the Irish diaspora, like Americans

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<v Speaker 4>who claim Irish ancestry in an aggressive way. The Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 4>what I like to unkind they like to unkindly refer

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<v Speaker 4>to as leprechaun Irish. You know, it's like houses full

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<v Speaker 4>of shamrocks and stuff like that, not tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about your own people. I get it listening.

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<v Speaker 4>Your grandpa's are a great grandposer from Ireland this now,

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<v Speaker 4>but we get to this generation.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of nice cozy sweaters and.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, yeah, there's like Irish this is huge

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<v Speaker 4>in that community, but also there are folks with like

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<v Speaker 4>no Irish ancestry who get into it. It's a global phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what I'm trying to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, there's a governing body for Irish dance called a commission,

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<v Speaker 4>the Rinki Gualaca. I'm saying that completely wrong. It's the

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<v Speaker 4>CLRG or the Irish Dancing Commission.

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<v Speaker 3>You sound like CLARG.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was established in nineteen thirty and it has

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<v Speaker 4>members on five continents and I don't know what two

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<v Speaker 4>are left out, but I'm guessing it's Antarctica or.

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<v Speaker 2>Africa probably those are the candidates. Who knows, could be Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're just like we don't deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>They could be Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, could be Europe. That would be wild. It's like.

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<v Speaker 3>So CLRG.

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<v Speaker 4>They oversee international dance tournaments called Seshiona and they hold

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<v Speaker 4>these qualifying competitions in the US, UK, Australia, so I

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<v Speaker 4>guess we have our cons there. They organized Ireland's regional

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<v Speaker 4>and national championships as well as the World Irish Dancing Championships.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a two time champion. I know in April of.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty twenty two they had that in Belfast. Thirty five

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<v Speaker 4>hundred dancers showed up for this, so that's April.

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<v Speaker 3>Of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>We were so nervous, I know you were.

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<v Speaker 3>In October of twenty twenty two all hell broke loose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wasn't there that year. I quit did an ankle.

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<v Speaker 4>Because like okay, as you well know, because you're a

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<v Speaker 4>famous Irish treat the dance competitions are judged by dance teachers,

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<v Speaker 4>which makes sense, but apparently those dance teachers are easily

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<v Speaker 4>influenced and easily bought. They're thirsty, they're dark, and totally

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<v Speaker 4>they'd been like whispers of bribes, favors that they would

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<v Speaker 4>do and then grants.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone stepped up.

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<v Speaker 4>An anonymous whistleblower steps up, hands off to the CLRG

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<v Speaker 4>Proof of cheating during the summer of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard proof.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty much all text messages like stream shots.

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<v Speaker 4>So the dossier provided to c LRG contained text messages

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<v Speaker 4>that talked about like how the dance instructors are trying

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<v Speaker 4>to like lock in high scores for the students from

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<v Speaker 4>these other teachers. There were even offers of sexual favors

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<v Speaker 4>between a judge and a teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>In exchange for a high score. Wow, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, I do you know who I am?

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<v Speaker 4>A judge wrote to a teacher, quote I didn't wax

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<v Speaker 4>for no reason, followed by laughing emojis, and then quote

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<v Speaker 4>half an hour's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what, I don't know what's happened?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, So then the teacher answers shave now.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that is that like a clock thing that

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<v Speaker 2>kept pointing down half an hour?

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<v Speaker 4>The judge replies, quote, that was all done before I

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<v Speaker 4>got here, duh, And then he adds, quote no visit No.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundreds and two winking laughing emojis.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Now our evidence has emojic w emojis

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<v Speaker 2>is part of and then winking emoji winking emoji.

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<v Speaker 3>Teacher replies to no visit No.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundreds quote, oh God, babe, put the a's in

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<v Speaker 4>the air. I promise I will be there.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And all this with an Irish accent, which you got

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>In a less raunchy text exchange, a teacher sends all

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<v Speaker 4>his students competitor numbers to a judge and then tells

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<v Speaker 4>the judge where he hopes each dancer is going to

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<v Speaker 4>land in the results. Oh, and the teacher says, thanks

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<v Speaker 4>a million for anything you can do to help. So

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, here all my students go, and how does

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<v Speaker 4>the judge reply? Smiley face emoji is a reply.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Later the teacher asks who's going to be judging one

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<v Speaker 4>of his competitors in an upcoming competition, and he gets

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<v Speaker 4>the list and he replies, holy duck, that's haunted by spelcheck.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the panel from hell. So I guess he's

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<v Speaker 4>spilled it right that time. And then he added quote,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually want to puke.

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<v Speaker 2>I do too, me three I thought I wanted to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>You get what you asked for.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the teacher writes later to the judge, quote begging

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<v Speaker 4>if you were on and with a competitor's name, to

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<v Speaker 4>do what you can xx, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Like fix it, please make it happen.

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<v Speaker 4>The judge replies, not a problem, they're just outright. A

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<v Speaker 4>teacher on another one says she would quote really appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>a hand with my good you eighteen, which is under eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>and the judge goes, absolutely, not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like a hand with my under eighteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the teacher thanks him, oh xxx, thank you. Another one,

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<v Speaker 4>like the teacher, says she has a dancer competing soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate anything you can do, she says. Judge gives a

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<v Speaker 4>thumbs up emoji, and then the teacher responds with like

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<v Speaker 4>a kiss in a wink, it's just emoji's all over

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<v Speaker 4>a cupcake. Uh there's A teacher writes to a judge

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<v Speaker 4>saying she doesn't have her student's competitor numbers, but she

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<v Speaker 4>does have their names and like pictures of them in

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<v Speaker 4>their full costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>These are kids, by the way, is that for the

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<v Speaker 2>judge be able to recognize you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, because they like, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit man, but you just don't do a judge exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how this is.

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<v Speaker 4>So she's like, here are all the pictures of the

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<v Speaker 4>kids that I want to win all the competitions. The

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<v Speaker 4>judge replies with a smiley winking emoji.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and maybe they feel like if they don't

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<v Speaker 3>say it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what is legally binding because it was an

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<v Speaker 2>emoji exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no court definition of this emoji.

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<v Speaker 4>So a bunch of the parents and the dance instructors

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<v Speaker 4>they told the Irish Independent newspaper that the competitive Irish dance.

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<v Speaker 3>Community is like the mafia.

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<v Speaker 4>Resident There was an American teacher who said that she

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<v Speaker 4>was afraid to ask one of the crooked judges for

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<v Speaker 4>just like the slightest thing quote because once you do,

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<v Speaker 4>you're indebted to them for life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Godfather, I think the human beings. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, we have three analogies. Either something is like Hitler,

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<v Speaker 2>slavery or the mafia or Harry Potter, like this is

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<v Speaker 2>the worst thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't It's exactly we need, We need to read more.

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<v Speaker 4>So the CLRG said in a statement in July the

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<v Speaker 4>next year that had received the dossier and that they'd

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<v Speaker 4>appointed a former appeals court judge to investigate, and the

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<v Speaker 4>judge was given full access.

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<v Speaker 2>To all of their records and all the emojis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they made a statement quote, the process will no

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<v Speaker 4>doubt be difficult and arduous, but this grossly unethical behavior

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<v Speaker 4>must be eliminated from our competitions, dance schools, and governing organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Irish Dance to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this is unethical. The Irish dancing message boards were

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<v Speaker 4>on fire, y'all. People were calling for protests and events.

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<v Speaker 4>They wanted CLRG to to like, yank the teachers and

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<v Speaker 4>judges that were named in the text.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you need a whole new crew.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted them absolutely, like you're out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't ban from the sport or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Sondra Konnik, who's chairwoman of the CLRG.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Sandy Conic, Yeah, yeah, she didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>She said she didn't know about all the fixing. Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I can honestly say.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't aware, but it is very disappointing when you

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<v Speaker 4>have something like that happen. You have to stamp it

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<v Speaker 4>out immediately. It's not just acceptable, it won't be tolerated.

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<v Speaker 2>As a former two time champion of Irish dance, I

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<v Speaker 2>completely agree, you know, respect what we did.

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<v Speaker 3>I know she was a dance teacher herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you don't have to stamp it out. Otherwise people go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay, this is your.

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<v Speaker 4>Stamp it hey, hey, just like the dancing She was

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<v Speaker 4>originally from Cork by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>She moved Great County.

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<v Speaker 3>She moved to the United.

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<v Speaker 4>States thirty years ago and then set up the dance school.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, there were disciplinary hearings within the organization. Forty

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<v Speaker 4>four people were up against it. Quote this is what

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<v Speaker 4>Saunders said. All forty four will have their day in court.

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<v Speaker 4>The Commission is adamant that we're going to hear each

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<v Speaker 4>and every one of these and the respondents.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the right to be heard.

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<v Speaker 4>She's trying to be fair for the dance fanatics that

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<v Speaker 4>were found guilty, she said, quote, we're looking to punish

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<v Speaker 4>them if punishment is due, or if there's no punishment.

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<v Speaker 4>They're found not guilty, then just move on in the

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<v Speaker 4>normal manner.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is not a criminal proceeding. This is just

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<v Speaker 2>like a cord of dance is doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking it to court.

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<v Speaker 2>So hold on.

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<v Speaker 4>So punishments, yes, right, I have to tell you. The

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<v Speaker 4>punishments are kind of light, like they're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>get whipped with the laces of the dancing shoes, not

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<v Speaker 4>going to get If it's really bad, the purp has

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<v Speaker 4>to step down from their position.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately on one, two, five, six seven.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't be able to run for office with the

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<v Speaker 4>c LRG. Oh no, And they might get a fine.

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<v Speaker 2>No, one's getting like knuckles broken.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>No, for smaller offenses, they might get written up and

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 4>it would go in their permanent record.

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<v Speaker 2>If this was ballet, there'd be corporal punishment. People would

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<v Speaker 2>be getting hit with s.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they're just going to get a and then they

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<v Speaker 4>go ooh but teachers, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>They're rough nuns.

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<v Speaker 3>So this thing, this didn't just taint the organization's reputation. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I bet not hit them in the pocketbook, is what it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, of course, so they were like all these crazy

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 4>legal costs. People were dropping out of event event canceling.

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<v Speaker 3>It added up to a million euro loss for them,

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 3>is like, don't call us a million. They lost a million.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like half of their membership funds. In comparison, the

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<v Speaker 4>year before twenty twenty one they had a forty one

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<v Speaker 4>euro surplus, which you know, it's not a whole lot,

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 4>but they were they're, you know, doing really well before.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the cases actually made it out of their

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<v Speaker 4>internal investigations and was adjudicated in the High Court. Amanda Henigan.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a judge who also runs an Irish dancing

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<v Speaker 4>school in the UK. She took a case after she

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<v Speaker 4>was suspended while the disciplinary hearings proceeded, and then the

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 4>court lifted her suspension, but it ruled that CLRG could

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<v Speaker 4>with their hearings and she denied that she had anything

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<v Speaker 4>to do with it. She said quote no favoritism was

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 4>sought or provided. When she was talking about all her

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 4>text messages. She was a judge at the twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>All Ireland Championships.

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<v Speaker 2>And they equally went after teachers and judge.

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<v Speaker 3>Both sides of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And she had texted appreciate anything you can do, and

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<v Speaker 4>she was like, that's not I'm not trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>it fixed. I'm just appreciative.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>CLRG lifted everyone's suspension and said continuing to fight the

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 4>legal challenges would put them in a severe financial difficulty.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 4>So it was just was costing them too much money,

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>so they gave up.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd rather have the rumors of improprieting corruption because at

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>least those were still a going back, And.

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<v Speaker 4>They did make some changes to try and eliminate funny

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 4>business in the future. Just like pub trivia, judges can't

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>use their phones or other electronics throughout the day of judging, okay,

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 4>And they don't have access to competitor phone numbers until

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 4>right before the competition, okay. And they also.

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<v Speaker 3>Change the way that the judging works.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 4>Typically at large competitions, you'll have three judges. We've put

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<v Speaker 4>in five judges. Now we drop the highest score in

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 4>case someone gets a really off the cuff mark. We

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 4>dropped the lowest score in case somebody felt they were

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 4>being penalized severely. We take the three in the middle,

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 4>which gives a fairer playing field.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>I recognize the hurt that was caused to every teacher

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 4>out there, including myself. When you send your children. They

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 4>have invested so much of their time in their parents' time.

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 4>For them to find out this was going on, that's devastating.

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 3>That's the head of the place.

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<v Speaker 4>What blows me away is that this is pretty much

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 4>adults using kids to fulfill their desire for competitions.

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like everything I know about adults.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's like pageants, soccer.

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Leads, soccer, youth football, youth baseball.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Everyone takes a two.

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I can keep going.

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's take a break.

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 4>I need to listen to some ads, and you need

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 4>to answer all those texts you got from your Irish student.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Me and Joe Biden are not looking good. They're telling us, hey,

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>don't call us, We'll.

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<v Speaker 7>Be back in a flash.

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hi, how you doing good?

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 3>Good good. I'm getting ready to fight the real enemy

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 3>over here.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Look at you. Bring it back.

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 4>We've had cheating in competitions, you know, like stuff in

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 4>a fat bear ballot box, bribing a judge with you know,

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 4>saucy offers. I cheated in act too, Yeah, exactly, But

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 4>either way, people had their hand on the scale. The

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 4>next group of no good nicks I want to tell

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 4>you about did it kind of literally their hand on

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 4>the scale. I'm talking about fishing competition.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 4>I have a good friend who's pretty much like my

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 4>brother Pappy. He's honestly the best. I love him to death.

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 4>Great nickname pay Yeah, and he's my brother.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>He used to do those fishing tournament things where he

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 4>had to like catch one of each of these fish

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 4>on a long list, and he'd be like down in

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 4>the Gulf of California, like off the Mendocino Coast, cruising

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 4>around like a boat or a kayak, I don't know,

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 4>checking off his catches. I loved hearing about it. It was

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 4>super cool and it was like this huge broad range.

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 4>You have a friend who's really into fishing, right.

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, My buddy Chris, he is an excellent fisherman, and

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>we used to every morning we were house spanners together.

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>We would go and fishing creeks and everything, and we

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>take this john boat everywhere and he is an absolute

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>menace on fish. Sometimes we would go and catch thirty fish.

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 2>We go it to a hole and I don't know

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>why I don't fish so well with other people, but

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 2>he is a beast. He's Serbian. They're really good fishermen, right,

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>So traditionally go a lot of culture, a lot of rivers,

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Yeah. So he taught me a ton

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.399
<v Speaker 2>about how to fish out here. Because I know deep

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>sea fishing and East coast fishing, I didn't know the

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>lakes and rivers you're used to.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thing is that, Like, that's what I'm gonna

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 4>be talking about, is like when you're pulling it, just

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 4>a ton of fish out of a lake or a river.

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 4>These fishing tournaments, right, yeah, you're like glistening rods, night reels,

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 4>fancy boats.

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 3>YETI coolers.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, everywhere he goes us up on an Eagle lake.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>People go out there and like they're waiting at whatever,

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>like four thirty in the morning, they sound an announcement.

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Everyone goes tearing off to get to their hole.

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, they want to do it because they're like high

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 4>dollar payouts.

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>They can make a lot of money.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 4>It's like golf, you can make cass anywhere you have

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 4>fancy boats.

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 3>YETI coolers and high dollar payouts.

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 4>You can have criminals and you and me and Chris

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 4>and so flim flammers at fishing tournaments.

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<v Speaker 3>Have been a problem for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet yeah, tournament cheating was rampant in local tournaments

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 4>for just years in the sixties. There was a guy

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<v Speaker 4>named Ray Scott and he came up with the bass

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 4>tournament circuit and he figured that like all the trickery

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 4>would be discouraged if they charged huge entry fees that

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<v Speaker 4>only serious professionals could afford.

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, interesting, it didn't help. That's not going to work.

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 3>No, cheaters find a way they could.

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>They could cooborate their money and go, we'll get one

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>cheater in there.

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Well and if if it's worth it, the stakes anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was l Row McNeil in nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 4>He tried to rig a fishing tournament in Texas and

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 4>he had a pretty good con He went to Florida

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 4>and he bought an enormous black bass, just massive, and

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 4>he had this errated water tank fitted into his truck

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 4>and then he drove the fish to his house in Louisiana.

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:32.959
<v Speaker 2>I think where you're going with this? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He picks up his co conspirator, his buddy, this angler

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 4>named Terry Isam.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Terry gets in the.

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Truck like Terry is like it's a religion, Like, oh,

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm a.

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<v Speaker 4>Practitioner, I s a m Terry is is is We'll

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 4>call it so Terry Terry. He had signed up to

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 4>be in the road Runner Bass Tournament in Tyler, Texas.

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Tyler, Texas.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so he and l Row, They Terry and l Row.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in the truck with the tank in the back

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 4>with a fish bobbing around in it. They get to

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 4>the tournament. He you know, Terry's out there, you know he, oh,

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 4>look at this thing, and he like, I guess I

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 4>don't know that. He like stuck a hook into it

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 4>and then.

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my gosh, you guys, and you.

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 4>Know they it's just they made a ton of money.

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 4>So l Row and all his buddies they're honing this con.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 4>They do it over and over and kidding, they did

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 4>it way more than once, and they make a ton

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 4>of money. He was able to scam three hundred and

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand dollars from the Texas Bass Tournament circuit.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn right. The judges got wise to.

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<v Speaker 4>Him, though, and they eventually they called someone in to

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 4>analyze the fish and they're like, this is not local.

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>This is a local species.

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 3>This is like, Nemo, get this out of here.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 2>This is a European fish totally.

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 4>So in eighty five, nineteen eighty five, he and three

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 4>anglers they got fines and five year prison sentences because

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 4>and they pled guilty.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Of course three fifty thousand fraud.

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Im Terry, he's the government's star witness, which got

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 4>him a lighter sentence in the lesser.

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he went snitched, Yeah.

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 3>He snitched. But this isn't just an American problem, No,

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I bet not.

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<v Speaker 4>Romania's national carp fishing team they were as crooked as

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 4>they come, you star. They cheated their way to a

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 4>win at the fourteenth World carp Angling Championships in twenty twelve.

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 4>That was on their home waters. No really, it was

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 4>held in Romania. The England national team thought something was fishy,

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 4>so they lodged a formal complaint against the host Romanians

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 4>because it turns out that like for months, the Romanians

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 4>had been going down to like where they were going

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 4>to go fishing and feeding the carp like a special

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 4>local bait that would give them an advantage during the

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 4>turn brilliant. And so they're just get this is the

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 4>bait They're going to brilliant, fattening them up, and they're

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 4>like creating a preference in the fish for their special baits.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 2>A little freaky fish treats and the Brits.

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 3>The Brits use like a slurry of flour egg.

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 4>And dog beans. No, it's like, you know, this is

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 4>the English carp respond to flower egg and dog food kibble.

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 4>It's you know, insert English cuisine joke. So the Romanian

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 4>carp they're like, not about this, Like we have been

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 4>eating delicacies and you want to give us this garbage

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 4>where it's like a year ago they would have been like,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 4>sounds good to me, you know, keep spoon and pops.

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 4>So that kind of baiting. It's not illegal, but it's unsportsmanlike.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 5>The fish apparently not okay, I guess the judge didn't

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 5>think of it.

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 4>Ian Huntington, team manager of the England carp team. He

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 4>said their defeat was tough bait to swallow, so quote

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 4>hard lessons have been learned and it has been a

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 4>very difficult experience to pick the team and ourselves up

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 4>after this event. It is obvious that any team fishing

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 4>with the particular type of bait would do well and

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 4>the rest would really struggle to get a bite. Within

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 4>two hours of the match starting, we were asking ourselves

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:15.919
<v Speaker 4>questions about the bait.

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I understand that his team flounder. Is he going to

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>keep carping about this?

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 7>Yes?

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that was for you was so good. I felt

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 3>that through my whole body. This is so good.

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 4>So Romania they take first place in both team and

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 4>individual categories. The Bulgarian, Siberian and Portuguese teams they were

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 4>practicing at the same lake as the Romanians and they

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 4>saw them in the lead up to it. They're like,

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 4>what's you fishing with? And they're like, maybe a little

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 4>bit of this, So they started using that same bait

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 4>and that's why they came in second thirty four, right

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 4>behind Romania. England came in eighteen. Well it wasn't just England,

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 4>but South Africa and France came up empty two.

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 3>How much fish did the Romanian team yank from the

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 3>water in order to win the gold?

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>How much? Elizabeth One report.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Said one point seven tons of fish. That's just laying wasteed.

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 4>Speaking of England, they had a bass switcheroo, kind of

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:23.720
<v Speaker 4>like the one in Texas. Matthew Clark won Guernsey's twenty

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 4>twelve Balwick Basque Club tournament. He pulled in a thirteen pound,

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 4>thirteen ounce bass.

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Yea fish.

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was three pounds bigger than the second place fish.

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and you know it's.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 4>Usually like a game of ounces pounds ridiculous. So the

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 4>winner was announced, and then Clark and the second place fisherman,

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 4>Shane Bentley, they posed for photos with their fish, you know,

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 4>like when they're holding up the line or like you

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 4>know how someone they cradle it in front of them

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 4>like they just caught a newly birthed baby.

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Congratulations.

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So my friend Chris posted those pictures on Instagram

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>cradling baby fish, right, so babyish.

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 4>Bentley the second place He looks over at clark'sfish and

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 4>he realizes.

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I've seen that before, but where I can't fish? Yeah,

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I've seen I know that fish.

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I know that you know him.

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Where do I know him from?

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 3>He recognized him from? The local Saint peter Port aquarium.

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he recognized aquarium.

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 4>He said, he said, he tells the Express newspaper quote.

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 4>It stood out because it had very distinct markings on

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<v Speaker 4>its head. When the bass was lifted out of the

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<v Speaker 4>tank for the photo, I thought, that's the fish from

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<v Speaker 4>the aquarium. The next morning, I went to the aquarium.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked in the tank, but I couldn't see the fish.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the woman looked and she couldn't find the fish.

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<v Speaker 4>So Clark scale the cliff. The winner, Scale the cliff,

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<v Speaker 4>climbed a rope ladder and broke into the aquarium, and

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<v Speaker 4>he told police that he was going to return the

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<v Speaker 4>fish after the contest, but he dropped and injured it

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<v Speaker 4>as he made his getaway. Quote he took it to

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<v Speaker 4>a fish seller who didn't realize it was stolen and

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<v Speaker 4>chopped it up. An aquarium spokesperson told The Express. All

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<v Speaker 4>we got back was the head and tail. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I love animals more than anything, but for some reason,

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<v Speaker 4>this is absolutely hysterical. So he got sentenced to one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred hours of community service for that. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>then that brings us to the most infamous of fishing scandals. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like the Irish dancing Hullabluo. This one went

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<v Speaker 4>down in twenty twenty two. Scan It's sort of what

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<v Speaker 4>kicked off this whole episode idea, because we got a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of recommendations for it, and I remember when I

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<v Speaker 4>first saw the clip, I was like, oh, I gotta

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<v Speaker 4>just show them this, So Jacob Runyon, age forty three,

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<v Speaker 4>and Chase Kaminski, aged thirty six, two grown men who

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<v Speaker 4>should know better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yeah, I recognize this tone.

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<v Speaker 4>So the Lake Erie Walleye Trail Tournament in Cleveland is

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<v Speaker 4>high stakes. Oh yeah, big, thirty thousand dollars on the lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Er Oh yeah, it draws dozens of teams, big sponsors,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can win not just cash, but like super

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<v Speaker 4>snazzy fishing boats.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, kind of like the glitter paint.

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<v Speaker 4>So since this is fishing and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>money on the line, the organizers routinely subject winners to

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<v Speaker 4>polygraph tests. Do you remember remember Erlo McNeil, right, the

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<v Speaker 4>Texas guy. Uh he and his crew used to get

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<v Speaker 4>around those polygraph tests by taking kludes.

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<v Speaker 2>What yeah, where are they finding kluds?

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<v Speaker 4>Well back in the day, oh of course, eighties, Yeah

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<v Speaker 4>they still so run In and Kaminsky, you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>had a bang up twenty twenty one season.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're used like GHB to beat the test.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's no kaludes anymore, so I know. But the

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one they won more than three hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>That came in in prizes.

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<v Speaker 2>Impressive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they also lost some of that money when

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<v Speaker 4>one of them failed a tournament's polygraph test of like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, stockpiled luthes.

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<v Speaker 2>So beta blockers. Oh god, I love.

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<v Speaker 4>So they signed up for the tournament and they went

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<v Speaker 4>out to catch the heaviest walleye and Lake Erie okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and it seemed like they did. They pulled out four

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<v Speaker 4>whoppers and they took the day. There is a viral

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<v Speaker 4>video of the event, and it is amazing, of course.

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<v Speaker 4>And since I can't show it, here's Sarin. I invite

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<v Speaker 4>you to close you eyes.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, I want you to picture.

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<v Speaker 4>It's September thirtieth, twenty twenty two. The Ridiculous Crime Antarctica

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<v Speaker 4>episode dropped yesterday and let me tell you you loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>Who were you?

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<v Speaker 4>Your name is Braden Lee Ryder. That's all one word,

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<v Speaker 4>spider Man. You're a fictional attendee of the Lake Erie

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<v Speaker 4>Walleye Trail Tournament. You aren't a fisherman. You just like

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<v Speaker 4>their fashion and the smell of fish. So there you

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<v Speaker 4>are on the shore of the lake with scores of

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<v Speaker 4>other fish beans, all eager to take a look a

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<v Speaker 4>winning catches. You heard their enormous.

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<v Speaker 3>God, what a time to be alive.

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<v Speaker 4>As men murmur and mumble around you, you watch Jacob

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<v Speaker 4>Runyan and Chase Kamiski strut to the stage and accept

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<v Speaker 4>their places first top Dogs, big Fish.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone hates them.

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<v Speaker 4>They hoist two heavy walleye into the air, their oakley

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<v Speaker 4>blade sunglasses reflecting the cloudy sky. They're under armour hoodies

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<v Speaker 4>and blazoned with a mishmash of sponsor logos and the

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<v Speaker 4>word Runyon Ranger on the back. This is their moment.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the tournament director, Jason Fisher, I mean, can

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<v Speaker 4>you are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>That is his real last name, Jason the Argonaut.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason Fisher makes his move. Runyan and Kamisky. They put

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<v Speaker 4>their catch into a milk crate. Fisher walks over, takes

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<v Speaker 4>the crate away. He walks to the side of the

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<v Speaker 4>stage and sets.

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<v Speaker 3>The crate on the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>After conferring with an associate, he lifts one of the

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<v Speaker 4>fish from the crate and sets it on the asphalt.

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<v Speaker 4>Runyon stands by, stone faced as Fisher takes a knife.

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<v Speaker 3>From his potu. The crowd grows silent.

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<v Speaker 4>Fisher stabs his blade into the side of the fish

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.760
<v Speaker 4>and draws it upward from the tail to the glassy

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<v Speaker 4>dead eyes. He reaches into the guts of the walleye

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<v Speaker 4>and pulls something out. It's a lead weight the size

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<v Speaker 4>of a ping pong ball. The crowd irrupts. There is

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<v Speaker 4>shouting for a freshwater sport. They share our using salting language.

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<v Speaker 4>Saren Runyon stands there, silent, staring as fisher continues to

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<v Speaker 4>slice open the winning catches, pulling out more weights and

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<v Speaker 4>even fish filets.

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<v Speaker 3>A filet of fish somebody else.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's likes just each fish, tons of weights coming

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<v Speaker 4>out of it and fish filets. They shoved extra fish

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<v Speaker 4>into the fish to win a boat.

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<v Speaker 3>Call the cops.

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<v Speaker 4>One guy yells he needs to go to jail. The

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<v Speaker 4>man standing next to you, holding his phone and recording

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<v Speaker 4>the whole thing, ask the question on everyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>You got anything to say? Runyan does not.

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<v Speaker 4>So the five weighted fish were confiscated. Runyan and his

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<v Speaker 4>pal get kicked out, and he's just he's just standing

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<v Speaker 4>there the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just taking it as.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's yelling at him and swearing, and it's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Going there on a dock, right, or I could.

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<v Speaker 4>Right exactly and So, by the way, if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to watch the video, search Walleye Tournament Cheaters on YouTube

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<v Speaker 4>and there's one posted by any oh Outdoors that's it's

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<v Speaker 4>like uncut, it's it's raw tape. They don't even bleep

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<v Speaker 4>out all the bad words. It's it's it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>So a grand jury indicted the two on charges of cheating,

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<v Speaker 3>attempted grand theft, and possessing criminal tools, and the charges

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<v Speaker 3>are fifth degree felonies.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>I take all crime very seriously, and I believe what

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<v Speaker 4>these two individuals attempted to do was not only dishonorable

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<v Speaker 4>but also criminal. Prosecutor Michael C. O'Malley chimed in. The

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<v Speaker 4>dudes also faced a misdemeanor count of unlawful ownership of

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<v Speaker 4>wild an animals, and that's related to the raw fish

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<v Speaker 4>filets that they allegedly have on their boat to shove

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<v Speaker 4>into the fish they caught. They pleaded guilty to cheating

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<v Speaker 4>and unlawful ownership of wild animals. They were sentenced to

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<v Speaker 4>ten days in jail and a year and a half probation,

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<v Speaker 4>and they each also had to pay twenty five hundred

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<v Speaker 4>dollars fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 3>Both men had their fishing licenses suspended.

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<v Speaker 2>For three years.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maximum penalty allowed by law. Kaminski was also required

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<v Speaker 4>to forfeit his boat worth one hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael O'Malley, the prosecutor, said that the duo quote deserve

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<v Speaker 4>to have their fishing license suspended for life. These two

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<v Speaker 4>should be banned from every fishing tournament for life. They

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<v Speaker 4>are thieves and now they are convicted felons.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man, I would have tried, and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>admit this to pull off the answer of I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what these fish have been eating, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>have tried for a long time to save and they

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>would have been filming that. I would have regretted it

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<v Speaker 2>later on, but I would have tried it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's amazing and I think they should have done.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>That was really good.

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<v Speaker 4>My ridiculous takeaway is everyone should try their hardest to

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<v Speaker 4>not be competitive.

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<v Speaker 2>Not be competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be competitive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be less competitive than you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm more talking to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I could be less competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>Than it could be way more or less producer Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Take note of this. I'd like you to mark that

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<v Speaker 2>I can be less competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I have for today.

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