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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a second I'd love to share it

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Speaker 2: with you. Okay, you ever injured yourself taking a selfie? No?

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Speaker 3: I have not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you know that's very common.

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Speaker 3: Now, injuring yourself taking a selfie?

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Speaker 2: Yes, very very common. One in ten people have injured

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Speaker 2: themselves taking a selfie.

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Speaker 3: Now is this hurting their arms or their muscles, or

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Speaker 3: is this falling over.

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Speaker 2: All of their musculature as well as their bones?

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Speaker 3: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Anything is at risk with a selfie? In fact, did

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Speaker 2: you know it is more dangerous for a human being

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Speaker 2: to take a selfie than to go swimming with sharks?

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Speaker 3: Oh? You're kidding me.

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Speaker 2: More people die each year from taking selfies than from

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Speaker 2: shark attacks. Selfie sticks. No, people just they trip, they

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Speaker 2: fall over cliffs. I know I shouldn't be laughing, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the sharks too, because hopefully fewer sharks

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Speaker 2: will be killed this way, because people are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you don't need to be afraid of sharks. We should

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Speaker 2: start killing phones. I like that, hunting down and killing phones.

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Speaker 2: Sarah yes, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 4: Putting a fish in a fish to win a boat.

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Speaker 4: This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 4: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You damn right, yes it is. Could you imagine if

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Speaker 3: we did the whole show.

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Speaker 2: In NPR voices and NPR voices. I think that would

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Speaker 2: be very refreshing for some people.

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Speaker 3: I think I could do it. I'm not sure about you.

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Speaker 2: I might go to sleep though talking.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely would. Are you a competitive persons?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Now, I'm very from a competitive family. I'm a

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Speaker 2: very competitive person. I don't I like to think that

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those mean competitive people because I'm

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Speaker 2: not competing against other people. I'm only ever competing with

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Speaker 2: my show. I was taught that at a young age

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Speaker 2: and that's stuck with me. But I will get very

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Speaker 2: mad at myself for losing itself, right, it can be.

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Speaker 2: It can be unpleasant to watch me lose, But I'm

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Speaker 2: not mean about it. I'm just yea upset.

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Speaker 3: I like to say that I'm not competitive, Yes, but

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Speaker 3: you are.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of like how I say, I don't

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Speaker 4: watch Yes, but I don't watch TV shows like the

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Speaker 4: smash Hit nine one one.

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Speaker 3: I just moved from Fox to ABC, and if I

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Speaker 3: watch TV, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: How I feel about Are you happy about that? If

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Speaker 2: you don't know if.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be meddling from the mouse house? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about it. Anyway, I say I'm

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Speaker 4: not competitive. It's almost true.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not competitive with like people in the workplace or

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Speaker 4: like other writers. Writers are competitive, oh god there and petty, yes,

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Speaker 4: And I'm not I'm happy for everyone whenever anything good happens.

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Speaker 2: Like I tend to be an actor, and I thought

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Speaker 2: they would be really competitive. Writers are so much more

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Speaker 2: competitive and petty and also undermining. They do a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff with like campaigns.

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Speaker 4: To yes yes, And so that's why I kind of

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Speaker 4: like I've narrowed it down right. I don't really interact

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Speaker 4: with a lot of writers.

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Speaker 2: True writer behavior, you realize the lesson.

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Speaker 4: Not like socially competitive, like about status stuff like I

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Speaker 4: want everyone to see what kind of carry driver?

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Speaker 3: Without who cares?

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't tell people about this for a coat you're wearing.

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Speaker 2: Shut up? What is that?

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Speaker 4: Am though competitive when it comes to things like trivia,

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Speaker 4: Yeah you are.

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Speaker 3: I'm a beast.

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Speaker 4: Trivia like I become a whole another person, or games

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Speaker 2: You play bar trivia where you made a table whole

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Speaker 2: table cry so and that family looked at me like

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Speaker 2: are you going to stop her? And I was like, look,

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Speaker 3: Brings out the best and the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does, because like I do really.

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Speaker 4: Well in various categories, like especially if there's word puzzles.

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Speaker 4: I used to go to this one where they had

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Speaker 4: handouts and.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I.

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Speaker 3: Got in the zone. And then that.

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Speaker 4: I'm viciously competitive. My trivia team is called Steve Harvey Oswald.

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Speaker 4: You're on my trivia team.

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Speaker 3: You know. My brother's on a team now. He is

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Speaker 3: not competitive, No, he's not, but fun I make up

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Speaker 2: He gets a little competitive though, once you start winning.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to lose. You're winning, that is true, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he does. He wants to hang on.

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Speaker 4: I want to I become another person. It's totally wild.

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Speaker 4: I'm a true believer in obeying the rules. To an extent. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So like I won't check my phone for answers.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not like that.

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Speaker 3: But I do like to do little tricks that okay.

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Speaker 4: So like I like to pretend that I'm new to

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Speaker 4: pub trivia and then I loudly whisper supposed answers to

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then I get all excited.

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Speaker 4: They're in on it and so and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I know the answer, and they tell me to keep

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Speaker 4: it down that the other teams are going to hear

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Speaker 4: me saying the right answer, and it's intentionally wrong but

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Speaker 2: So this is a pantomime you're pulling where you go.

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Speaker 3: It's a long time, it's bulcarrier.

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Speaker 5: And they're like stop, everyone's going to hear you, and

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Speaker 5: like but I know it, and then people are like,

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Speaker 5: oh crap, and like, so Traviy my brother, he's not competitive,

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Speaker 5: but like you were saying, like when it gets down

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Speaker 3: Up against cheating.

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Speaker 4: We were in a sudden death tiebreaker during a trivia

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Speaker 4: night on a Mexican riviera cruise. So there we are

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Speaker 4: off the coast of Portavada, winning our fourth straight trivia

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Speaker 4: night on the boat. Everyone hated us, which is we

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Speaker 4: come in and just dust them fourth straight, fourth straight.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember what the question was. I don't remember

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Speaker 4: what the answer was, but like we wrote on the zone. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was totally in the zone AutoZone. So we wrote

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Speaker 4: it down on a piece of paper and like showed

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Speaker 4: goes over and walks over and looks at the other

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Speaker 4: team's sheet, and like we may have heard a team

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Speaker 4: that had been eliminated mentioned the answer after we wrote

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Speaker 4: ours down after and then like we may have quickly

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Speaker 4: changed the answer on our paper, corrected, and then the

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Speaker 4: judge may have forgotten our answer and then come back

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Speaker 3: The whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cheating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was high stakes, Saren.

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Speaker 2: You want to get that fifth when?

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Speaker 3: No, do you know what the grand prize was?

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Speaker 2: No? What was it?

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Speaker 3: Luggage tags?

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even luggage, it was luggage.

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Speaker 4: My aunt was appalled by our lack of integrity.

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Speaker 2: I'm with your aunt.

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Speaker 4: She she called them the luggage tags of shame. You know,

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Speaker 4: because since my behavior, my love language is shame and guilt.

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Speaker 4: That's how my behaviors are motivated.

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Speaker 3: I felt terrible.

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Speaker 4: I wound up like taking the tags and just setting

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Speaker 4: them on a bar in the leado deck and walking away.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you're gonna throw them into the sea,

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Speaker 2: and like never was back.

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Speaker 3: That's that's pollutions Eric.

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Speaker 4: On a boat, like on a cruise ship, you're worried about,

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Speaker 4: like destroying the oceans. Hello, I couldn't live with my

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Speaker 4: little scam. Others though, the ones who wind up here

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Speaker 3: They went all in for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have for you today some competition scandals.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 4: So it's not like cycling, doping or fixing college basketball

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Speaker 4: nop Okay, we're not living strong right now. These these

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Speaker 4: are as inane as cheating at trivia to win luggage tag.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: I still carry that guilt. I will never do such

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Speaker 4: a thing ever again.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to same time I see a luggage tag.

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Speaker 3: From now right now, it was not like me. That

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Speaker 2: What are you willing to do to get these luggage tags?

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Speaker 2: What would you do for a luggage See?

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Speaker 4: That's what out of control. Competition does do it? I

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Speaker 4: think humans can't help but make things competitive. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: taking pottery. Look, we have all these TV shows trivia.

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Speaker 4: You know what I love more than trivia competitions though.

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Speaker 2: Baking shows. Bears?

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Speaker 3: It was a bee. I love you do you really do?

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Speaker 3: I want to hug a bear.

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Speaker 2: I come into HQ sometimes and you're just sitting there

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Speaker 2: watching those videos you watch where they're sitting at the streams.

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Speaker 3: Cat my bear cam.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 4: That's my National Park in southern Alaska. They have they

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Speaker 4: have this bear camp. There are volcanoes in this park, salmon,

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Speaker 4: most importantly tons of brown bears.

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Speaker 2: So cute.

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Speaker 4: I want to go there someday and see them in person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, like in the summer, they have these decks that

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Speaker 4: look over the river and the bears come out and

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Speaker 4: they loll around, they gorge on salmon. You can watch

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Speaker 4: it on the bear cam.

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Speaker 3: As I do.

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Speaker 2: I've looked over your shoulder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you see like mamas teaching their cubs to grab

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Speaker 4: fish and like big papas just parking their RUMs in

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Speaker 4: the river rapids shoving it on there.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're so cute.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, Cat my They've capitalized on this love of

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Speaker 4: bears because I'm not alone, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: No, I know there are many of you.

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Speaker 3: And they hold they hold something called Fat Bear Week.

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Speaker 2: Wow I heard of this is good October.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4: So in the in October, the brown bears that Catmi

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Speaker 4: they've been like prepping for winter hibernation by just gorging

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Speaker 4: themselves on sandpors. They increase that's they increase their body

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Speaker 4: weight by like fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they eat ninety pounds of food a day.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 4: So the rangers, they have all the bears, you know,

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Speaker 4: tagged numbered, and like the naturalists and the rangers at

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Speaker 4: the bears, and so they decided, like, let's get everyone

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Speaker 3: So they they teamed up.

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Speaker 4: kind of like a March Madness style bracket Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: Oh the real like that that's really.

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Speaker 3: The big boss.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three, AP News called the competition quote

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Speaker 3: So it started. They started this up back.

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Speaker 2: In twenty is the reality TV I could watch, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 3: So twenty fourteen. It starts up.

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Speaker 4: Every year, it just gets more and more popular. Cat

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Speaker 4: My park rangers they pick twelve bears out of all

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Speaker 2: There are a baseline photos.

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Speaker 3: Again, it's like a before and after.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two, Fat Bear Week was rocked by scandal.

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Speaker 6: How how one of the bears was cheating Organs.

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Speaker 2: Bear performance enhancing salmon.

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Speaker 3: The ballot had been stuffed, the ballot box.

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Speaker 2: Stuffed like the bears wait salmon.

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Speaker 3: In favor of a brown bear called Holly.

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Speaker 2: Oh the voters, of course, the humans are the cheerers. Ar.

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Speaker 4: So Holly's government name is Bear four thirty five, and

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Speaker 4: she was dusting Bear seven forty seven the semi finals seven.

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Speaker 4: But the numbers seemed hinky to the park ranger.

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Speaker 2: It was homegirls the first numbers seven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it turns out Holly four thirty five she

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Speaker 4: time for her, Candice Rush of Explorer dot org. She

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Speaker 3: Wow, so someone just used.

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Speaker 4: Bots right the park. The National Park tweeted quote, like

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Speaker 2: Been stuff they practiced that.

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Speaker 3: Sort of delighted with it. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Quote They're gonna put that on a tote bag.

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Speaker 4: It appears someone has decided to spam the Fat Bear

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Speaker 4: fake votes, and today's official totals are for seven forty

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Speaker 4: so she lost by like, you know, seven thousand.

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Speaker 2: That was a final vote.

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Speaker 4: No, not for the for the semi final, that's for

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Speaker 4: the semi finals. So the organizers they have a slack

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we haven't quit on them totally.

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Speaker 4: Quote maybe we shouldn't call a vote tonight. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we can't really honor the cheating. This is the discussion

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Speaker 4: that seven forty seven had like whooped hollieh. The organizers

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Speaker 4: are amazed. Quote damn, that is a wide margin, wider

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Speaker 3: This is this is in the slack that they're just.

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Speaker 4: Completely amber Craft, who is the interpretation and Education program

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Speaker 4: manager at CATMAI. She wrote, quote if we say that

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Speaker 4: it was spammed, will that be what reporters are asking

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Speaker 2: Oh, She's like, let's stay on message.

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Speaker 3: People like it's all about the bears.

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Speaker 6: Guys, come on, let's talk about big bears, the juicy

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Speaker 6: booties she was afraid of happened CNN, Jezebel, Rolling Stone,

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Speaker 4: They all reach out as they want to talk about,

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Speaker 4: The important thing to remember, however, is that despite which

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Speaker 4: bear wins the most votes in the Fat Bear Week competition,

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Speaker 4: they are all winners. Bears get fat to survive, and

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Speaker 4: the health of Catmai's ecosystem, as demonstrated by the sustained

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Speaker 4: enables their survival. So everyone's like, this is such a

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Speaker 4: funny story, and she's.

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Speaker 2: Like, let me throw a blanket on all the fun.

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Speaker 3: So why why would someone do this?

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Speaker 2: I'd like to talk about a healthy ecology? Can we

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Speaker 4: I'm glad she kept it up beat too, So why

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Speaker 2: This because they love a thick bear?

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Speaker 4: Well, one of the staffers thought, quote in the slack,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's bear betting. I don't know, Like

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Speaker 2: you go into an Irish pub and you can bet

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Speaker 3: Bet you you could see they will be anything up less. Quote. Well, y'all, you've.

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Speaker 4: Made it the weird corners of the internet tried to

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Speaker 3: It's a big election.

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Speaker 4: The entire contest pulls in more than a million votes.

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Speaker 2: Okay? Is that a million unique votes?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Okay, but come on, make it

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: As long as we find a way to bring it

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Speaker 4: back to the bears, I'm going to count it as

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Speaker 3: You want, Slack user, have you ever voted in this?

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Speaker 3: Of course I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Do you vote every day?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember you. Would you vote this last time?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Now, would you want to go and like vote

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Speaker 4: You don't vote multiple times, like for each round, I'll

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Speaker 4: vote one for the semi finals.

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Speaker 2: You know, for bracket you're not going through your various

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Speaker 2: online personas like I also want to. I'll go this

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Speaker 4: And then just wondering, Well, so they uncover all this

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Speaker 4: matches for possible signs of tampering. Sure, and like a

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Speaker 4: dominion voting machine audit. It was discovered that the outcomes were.

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Speaker 3: On the up and up.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, So that meant that Otis and Chunk who

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Speaker 4: own merit or lack their own. And going forward, the

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Speaker 4: competition now includes a CAPSHA test to prevent bought interference.

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Speaker 4: So you have to be able to tell the computer

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Speaker 4: like where the stop which pictures have a stop light?

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Speaker 3: Or motorcycle crosswalk as a human, I can tell you

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Speaker 3: that's not easy.

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Speaker 2: Like I can't tell I like that fat bears and

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Speaker 2: We need to get rid of the bots because they're

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Speaker 2: ruining it for everybody exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, like you know, back to the competition. Voters have

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Speaker 2: They have centerfolds like bear fans only bears.

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Speaker 3: No, they give little bios.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay.

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Speaker 4: Holly was first identified by park officials in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and one, and her coat is described as quote toasted

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Speaker 4: marshmallow in color.

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Speaker 4: She's raised several loaders of kids. She's a hardworking mom.

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Speaker 2: It's a broad spectrum, and to me, toasted marshmallow is

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Speaker 2: I do like I imagine to you it's more like

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Speaker 4: She's sort of blondeared to her ears. She's uniform color

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Speaker 4: She's a hard working mom. She is such a hard

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Speaker 2: Oh, single mom with an orphan cast.

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Speaker 3: She deserves to win. Oh, she's a champion. She did win.

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Speaker 4: She'd won a fat bear week twenty nineteen, and that

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Speaker 3: Fair and square.

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Speaker 2: She's a thick queen. That year she was.

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Speaker 4: Bear seven forty seven. She's a real battye bear of

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Speaker 4: just call him Mike. He's just seven forty seven, like

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that is his.

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Speaker 3: Number, forty seven.

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Speaker 2: They didnt give him a little theydn't get like a

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Speaker 2: little holly And okay, what's he like? Well you should

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Speaker 2: call him Sully because.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you need to get a job up there.

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Speaker 3: You'd fit right in.

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Speaker 2: I want to do that in name paints. These are

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Speaker 3: Bears names Sully Sully forty seven.

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Speaker 4: And he's a quote skilled in a angler who is

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Speaker 4: found fishing most often in the jacuzzi or near the

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Speaker 3: Do you know how much he weighs?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Eighteen hundred pounds.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen hundred pounds. He's one of the largest brown bears

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was ad thrown off because of grizzlies. I

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Speaker 4: So there's the voting scandal. There was a recount the

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Speaker 2: The name of Bear Gore and another one. Just let

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Speaker 2: it have fun, let it let it run, Let's do

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Speaker 2: a classic come on guys throwbacks.

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Speaker 3: So seven.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he won the semi finals. He still had to

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Speaker 2: Oh aler, not a shower.

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Speaker 3: She's a young gu six and a half years old.

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Speaker 3: They live to be about twenty five years old.

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Speaker 4: I was wondering, yaw five and so nine oh one

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Speaker 3: Okay, she's super defensive. She's like locals only in her

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Speaker 4: But like, let's keep our eyes on that upstart nine

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Speaker 4: oh one oh yeah, over the coming years, and remember

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Speaker 4: vote early enough.

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Speaker 2: She's got a lot of competitive years up coming.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's take a break.

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Speaker 4: Okay, when we come back, we're going to dance on

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Speaker 4: into another competition scandal.

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Speaker 3: Zarin, Hi, welcome back to the competition. Dojo.

452
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Speaker 2: Oh, I like what you're done with this place. What

453
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 2: color is that?

454
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 3: That orange safety because it's toasted marshmallows.

455
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay, it's interesting color for the ceiling.

456
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 3: We heard about Fat Bear Week the most wonderful time

457
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 3: of the year.

458
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to pay attention next time.

459
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 4: And like bears frolicking at the Tay Bears Picnic, we

460
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 4: now kick and leap into a new scandal landscape.

461
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 3: Irish dancing.

462
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh yes, what the Michael Flatley's going on?

463
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 3: It's fantastic.

464
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 4: I like when you see grown women like get tipsy

465
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 4: and break out into Irish dance with their pals in

466
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 4: the middle of the street, like outside of Barn Sanfrances.

467
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: Now we've seen it. It's delightful.

468
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah we're talking like top half doesn't move bottom tornado. Okay,

469
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: craziest technique.

470
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 3: So good.

471
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 2: I love it.

472
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 4: And like the little girls who do Irish dancing have

473
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 4: major wig action. By the way, have you seen it all?

474
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: Like little ringlets? I am loving that for them?

475
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 2: About it?

476
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: So Irish dancing.

477
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 4: It started out in parish halls and the Scottish equivalent

478
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 4: is the kaylee and that's super fun.

479
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 3: Let's say drums and jump in.

480
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 2: This starts like the daughter of drunks would get changed

481
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: thrown at their feet kind of dancing.

482
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 4: Probably children of drunk dancing around like you know, love

483
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: folk music and like any activity, though, people want to

484
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 4: turn it into a competition of course, so you're not

485
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 4: just all getting out there and having a good time

486
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: dancing a better dancer. It's especially popular with what I

487
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: will kindly refer to as the Irish diaspora, like Americans

488
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: who claim Irish ancestry in an aggressive way. The Massachusetts

489
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 4: what I like to unkind they like to unkindly refer

490
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 4: to as leprechaun Irish. You know, it's like houses full

491
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 4: of shamrocks and stuff like that, not tattoo.

492
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Speaker 2: You're talking about your own people. I get it listening.

493
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 4: Your grandpa's are a great grandposer from Ireland this now,

494
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 4: but we get to this generation.

495
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Speaker 2: A lot of nice cozy sweaters and.

496
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Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, there's like Irish this is huge

497
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: in that community, but also there are folks with like

498
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: no Irish ancestry who get into it. It's a global phenomenon.

499
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: It's what I'm trying to tell.

500
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So.

501
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, there's a governing body for Irish dance called a commission,

502
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: the Rinki Gualaca. I'm saying that completely wrong. It's the

503
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Speaker 4: CLRG or the Irish Dancing Commission.

504
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Speaker 3: You sound like CLARG.

505
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 4: So it was established in nineteen thirty and it has

506
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Speaker 4: members on five continents and I don't know what two

507
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: are left out, but I'm guessing it's Antarctica or.

508
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: Africa probably those are the candidates. Who knows, could be Australia.

509
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just like we don't deal with.

510
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: They could be Europe.

511
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: Oh, could be Europe. That would be wild. It's like.

512
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: So CLRG.

513
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 4: They oversee international dance tournaments called Seshiona and they hold

514
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: these qualifying competitions in the US, UK, Australia, so I

515
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 4: guess we have our cons there. They organized Ireland's regional

516
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: and national championships as well as the World Irish Dancing Championships.

517
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Speaker 2: I was a two time champion. I know in April of.

518
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two they had that in Belfast. Thirty five

519
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 4: hundred dancers showed up for this, so that's April.

520
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Speaker 3: Of twenty twenty.

521
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: We were so nervous, I know you were.

522
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: In October of twenty twenty two all hell broke loose.

523
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I wasn't there that year. I quit did an ankle.

524
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 4: Because like okay, as you well know, because you're a

525
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: famous Irish treat the dance competitions are judged by dance teachers,

526
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: which makes sense, but apparently those dance teachers are easily

527
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: influenced and easily bought. They're thirsty, they're dark, and totally

528
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 4: they'd been like whispers of bribes, favors that they would

529
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Speaker 4: do and then grants.

530
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: Someone stepped up.

531
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 4: An anonymous whistleblower steps up, hands off to the CLRG

532
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: Proof of cheating during the summer of twenty twenty two.

533
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: Hard proof.

534
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty much all text messages like stream shots.

535
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 4: So the dossier provided to c LRG contained text messages

536
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 4: that talked about like how the dance instructors are trying

537
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: to like lock in high scores for the students from

538
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: these other teachers. There were even offers of sexual favors

539
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: between a judge and a teacher.

540
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Speaker 3: In exchange for a high score. Wow, I want to

541
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: hear it.

542
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, I do you know who I am?

543
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 4: A judge wrote to a teacher, quote I didn't wax

544
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: for no reason, followed by laughing emojis, and then quote

545
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 4: half an hour's up.

546
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: Wait what, I don't know what's happened?

547
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, So then the teacher answers shave now.

548
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: And is that is that like a clock thing that

549
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: kept pointing down half an hour?

550
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: The judge replies, quote, that was all done before I

551
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 4: got here, duh, And then he adds, quote no visit No.

552
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 4: One hundreds and two winking laughing emojis.

553
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: I love that. Now our evidence has emojic w emojis

554
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: is part of and then winking emoji winking emoji.

555
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: Teacher replies to no visit No.

556
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 4: One hundreds quote, oh God, babe, put the a's in

557
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 4: the air. I promise I will be there.

558
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

559
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: And all this with an Irish accent, which you got

560
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: to imagine that as well.

561
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 4: In a less raunchy text exchange, a teacher sends all

562
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Speaker 4: his students competitor numbers to a judge and then tells

563
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: the judge where he hopes each dancer is going to

564
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: land in the results. Oh, and the teacher says, thanks

565
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 4: a million for anything you can do to help. So

566
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: he's like, here all my students go, and how does

567
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 4: the judge reply? Smiley face emoji is a reply.

568
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Sure.

569
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: Later the teacher asks who's going to be judging one

570
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Speaker 4: of his competitors in an upcoming competition, and he gets

571
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Speaker 4: the list and he replies, holy duck, that's haunted by spelcheck.

572
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: That is the panel from hell. So I guess he's

573
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: spilled it right that time. And then he added quote,

574
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: I actually want to puke.

575
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: I do too, me three I thought I wanted to hear.

576
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: You get what you asked for.

577
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: Then the teacher writes later to the judge, quote begging

578
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 4: if you were on and with a competitor's name, to

579
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: do what you can xx, so.

580
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: Like fix it, please make it happen.

581
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 4: The judge replies, not a problem, they're just outright. A

582
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: teacher on another one says she would quote really appreciate

583
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: a hand with my good you eighteen, which is under eighteen,

584
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: and the judge goes, absolutely, not a problem.

585
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I'd like a hand with my under eighteen.

586
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: Then the teacher thanks him, oh xxx, thank you. Another one,

587
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: like the teacher, says she has a dancer competing soon.

588
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 4: Appreciate anything you can do, she says. Judge gives a

589
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: thumbs up emoji, and then the teacher responds with like

590
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: a kiss in a wink, it's just emoji's all over

591
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: a cupcake. Uh there's A teacher writes to a judge

592
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 4: saying she doesn't have her student's competitor numbers, but she

593
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: does have their names and like pictures of them in

594
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: their full costumes.

595
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: These are kids, by the way, is that for the

596
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: judge be able to recognize you.

597
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: Yea, because they like, don't.

598
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Hit man, but you just don't do a judge exactly

599
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: how this is.

600
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 4: So she's like, here are all the pictures of the

601
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: kids that I want to win all the competitions. The

602
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: judge replies with a smiley winking emoji.

603
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, and maybe they feel like if they don't

604
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: say it out.

605
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Right, that's what is legally binding because it was an

606
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: emoji exactly.

607
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: There's no court definition of this emoji.

608
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: So a bunch of the parents and the dance instructors

609
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: they told the Irish Independent newspaper that the competitive Irish dance.

610
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Community is like the mafia.

611
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 4: Resident There was an American teacher who said that she

612
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: was afraid to ask one of the crooked judges for

613
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: just like the slightest thing quote because once you do,

614
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 4: you're indebted to them for life.

615
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: It's like the Godfather, I think the human beings. At

616
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: this point, we have three analogies. Either something is like Hitler,

617
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: slavery or the mafia or Harry Potter, like this is

618
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: the worst thing.

619
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: This isn't It's exactly we need, We need to read more.

620
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: So the CLRG said in a statement in July the

621
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: next year that had received the dossier and that they'd

622
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: appointed a former appeals court judge to investigate, and the

623
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: judge was given full access.

624
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: To all of their records and all the emojis.

625
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, they made a statement quote, the process will no

626
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: doubt be difficult and arduous, but this grossly unethical behavior

627
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: must be eliminated from our competitions, dance schools, and governing organizations.

628
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: We got Irish Dance to say.

629
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: Now this is unethical. The Irish dancing message boards were

630
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: on fire, y'all. People were calling for protests and events.

631
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: They wanted CLRG to to like, yank the teachers and

632
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: judges that were named in the text.

633
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, you need a whole new crew.

634
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

635
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 3: They wanted them absolutely, like you're out of here.

636
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: You can't ban from the sport or whatever.

637
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: Sondra Konnik, who's chairwoman of the CLRG.

638
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Sandy Conic, Yeah, yeah, she didn't know.

639
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: She said she didn't know about all the fixing. Quote.

640
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: I can honestly say.

641
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't aware, but it is very disappointing when you

642
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: have something like that happen. You have to stamp it

643
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: out immediately. It's not just acceptable, it won't be tolerated.

644
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: As a former two time champion of Irish dance, I

645
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: completely agree, you know, respect what we did.

646
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: I know she was a dance teacher herself.

647
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Also, you don't have to stamp it out. Otherwise people go, oh,

648
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: it's okay, this is your.

649
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: Stamp it hey, hey, just like the dancing She was

650
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: originally from Cork by the way.

651
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: She moved Great County.

652
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: She moved to the United.

653
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: States thirty years ago and then set up the dance school.

654
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: So anyway, there were disciplinary hearings within the organization. Forty

655
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: four people were up against it. Quote this is what

656
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: Saunders said. All forty four will have their day in court.

657
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: The Commission is adamant that we're going to hear each

658
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: and every one of these and the respondents.

659
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: Have the right to be heard.

660
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 4: She's trying to be fair for the dance fanatics that

661
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: were found guilty, she said, quote, we're looking to punish

662
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: them if punishment is due, or if there's no punishment.

663
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: They're found not guilty, then just move on in the

664
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: normal manner.

665
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Now, this is not a criminal proceeding. This is just

666
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: like a cord of dance is doing this.

667
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: Taking it to court.

668
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: So hold on.

669
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: So punishments, yes, right, I have to tell you. The

670
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: punishments are kind of light, like they're not going to

671
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: get whipped with the laces of the dancing shoes, not

672
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: going to get If it's really bad, the purp has

673
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: to step down from their position.

674
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: Immediately on one, two, five, six seven.

675
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: They wouldn't be able to run for office with the

676
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: c LRG. Oh no, And they might get a fine.

677
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: No, one's getting like knuckles broken.

678
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: No.

679
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: No, for smaller offenses, they might get written up and

680
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: it would go in their permanent record.

681
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: If this was ballet, there'd be corporal punishment. People would

682
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: be getting hit with s.

683
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: No, they're just going to get a and then they

684
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: go ooh but teachers, Oh my god.

685
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: They're rough nuns.

686
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: So this thing, this didn't just taint the organization's reputation. No,

687
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: I bet not hit them in the pocketbook, is what it.

688
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: Oh, of course, so they were like all these crazy

689
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: legal costs. People were dropping out of event event canceling.

690
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: It added up to a million euro loss for them,

691
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: is like, don't call us a million. They lost a million.

692
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: That's like half of their membership funds. In comparison, the

693
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: year before twenty twenty one they had a forty one

694
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: euro surplus, which you know, it's not a whole lot,

695
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: but they were they're, you know, doing really well before.

696
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: One of the cases actually made it out of their

697
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: internal investigations and was adjudicated in the High Court. Amanda Henigan.

698
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: She was a judge who also runs an Irish dancing

699
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: school in the UK. She took a case after she

700
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: was suspended while the disciplinary hearings proceeded, and then the

701
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: court lifted her suspension, but it ruled that CLRG could

702
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: with their hearings and she denied that she had anything

703
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: to do with it. She said quote no favoritism was

704
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: sought or provided. When she was talking about all her

705
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: text messages. She was a judge at the twenty nineteen

706
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: All Ireland Championships.

707
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: And they equally went after teachers and judge.

708
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: Both sides of it.

709
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: And she had texted appreciate anything you can do, and

710
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: she was like, that's not I'm not trying to get

711
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: it fixed. I'm just appreciative.

712
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

713
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: CLRG lifted everyone's suspension and said continuing to fight the

714
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: legal challenges would put them in a severe financial difficulty.

715
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: So it was just was costing them too much money,

716
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: so they gave up.

717
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: We'd rather have the rumors of improprieting corruption because at

718
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: least those were still a going back, And.

719
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: They did make some changes to try and eliminate funny

720
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: business in the future. Just like pub trivia, judges can't

721
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: use their phones or other electronics throughout the day of judging, okay,

722
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: And they don't have access to competitor phone numbers until

723
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: right before the competition, okay. And they also.

724
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: Change the way that the judging works.

725
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Quote.

726
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: Typically at large competitions, you'll have three judges. We've put

727
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: in five judges. Now we drop the highest score in

728
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: case someone gets a really off the cuff mark. We

729
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: dropped the lowest score in case somebody felt they were

730
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: being penalized severely. We take the three in the middle,

731
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: which gives a fairer playing field.

732
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: Quote.

733
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: I recognize the hurt that was caused to every teacher

734
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: out there, including myself. When you send your children. They

735
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: have invested so much of their time in their parents' time.

736
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: For them to find out this was going on, that's devastating.

737
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: That's the head of the place.

738
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 4: What blows me away is that this is pretty much

739
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: adults using kids to fulfill their desire for competitions.

740
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Sounds like everything I know about adults.

741
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's like pageants, soccer.

742
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Leads, soccer, youth football, youth baseball.

743
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: Everyone takes a two.

744
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I can keep going.

745
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

746
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: I need to listen to some ads, and you need

747
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: to answer all those texts you got from your Irish student.

748
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Me and Joe Biden are not looking good. They're telling us, hey,

749
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: don't call us, We'll.

750
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 7: Be back in a flash.

751
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, how you doing good?

752
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: Good good. I'm getting ready to fight the real enemy

753
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: over here.

754
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: Look at you. Bring it back.

755
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: We've had cheating in competitions, you know, like stuff in

756
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: a fat bear ballot box, bribing a judge with you know,

757
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: saucy offers. I cheated in act too, Yeah, exactly, But

758
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: either way, people had their hand on the scale. The

759
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: next group of no good nicks I want to tell

760
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: you about did it kind of literally their hand on

761
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: the scale. I'm talking about fishing competition.

762
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah.

763
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: I have a good friend who's pretty much like my

764
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: brother Pappy. He's honestly the best. I love him to death.

765
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 4: Great nickname pay Yeah, and he's my brother.

766
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: Anyway.

767
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: He used to do those fishing tournament things where he

768
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: had to like catch one of each of these fish

769
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 4: on a long list, and he'd be like down in

770
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: the Gulf of California, like off the Mendocino Coast, cruising

771
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: around like a boat or a kayak, I don't know,

772
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: checking off his catches. I loved hearing about it. It was

773
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 4: super cool and it was like this huge broad range.

774
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 4: You have a friend who's really into fishing, right.

775
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, My buddy Chris, he is an excellent fisherman, and

776
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: we used to every morning we were house spanners together.

777
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: We would go and fishing creeks and everything, and we

778
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: take this john boat everywhere and he is an absolute

779
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: menace on fish. Sometimes we would go and catch thirty fish.

780
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: We go it to a hole and I don't know

781
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: why I don't fish so well with other people, but

782
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: he is a beast. He's Serbian. They're really good fishermen, right,

783
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: So traditionally go a lot of culture, a lot of rivers,

784
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah. So he taught me a ton

785
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: about how to fish out here. Because I know deep

786
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: sea fishing and East coast fishing, I didn't know the

787
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: lakes and rivers you're used to.

788
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: That's the thing is that, Like, that's what I'm gonna

789
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: be talking about, is like when you're pulling it, just

790
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: a ton of fish out of a lake or a river.

791
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: These fishing tournaments, right, yeah, you're like glistening rods, night reels,

792
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: fancy boats.

793
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: YETI coolers.

794
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: Yes, everywhere he goes us up on an Eagle lake.

795
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: People go out there and like they're waiting at whatever,

796
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: like four thirty in the morning, they sound an announcement.

797
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: Everyone goes tearing off to get to their hole.

798
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: Well, they want to do it because they're like high

799
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: dollar payouts.

800
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Totally.

801
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: They can make a lot of money.

802
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: It's like golf, you can make cass anywhere you have

803
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: fancy boats.

804
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: YETI coolers and high dollar payouts.

805
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 4: You can have criminals and you and me and Chris

806
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: and so flim flammers at fishing tournaments.

807
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: Have been a problem for a while.

808
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: I bet yeah, tournament cheating was rampant in local tournaments

809
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: for just years in the sixties. There was a guy

810
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: named Ray Scott and he came up with the bass

811
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: tournament circuit and he figured that like all the trickery

812
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: would be discouraged if they charged huge entry fees that

813
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: only serious professionals could afford.

814
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, it didn't help. That's not going to work.

815
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: No, cheaters find a way they could.

816
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: They could cooborate their money and go, we'll get one

817
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: cheater in there.

818
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: Well and if if it's worth it, the stakes anyway.

819
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: So there was l Row McNeil in nineteen eighty three.

820
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: He tried to rig a fishing tournament in Texas and

821
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: he had a pretty good con He went to Florida

822
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: and he bought an enormous black bass, just massive, and

823
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: he had this errated water tank fitted into his truck

824
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: and then he drove the fish to his house in Louisiana.

825
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 2: I think where you're going with this? Yeah.

826
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: He picks up his co conspirator, his buddy, this angler

827
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 4: named Terry Isam.

828
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: Terry gets in the.

829
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: Truck like Terry is like it's a religion, Like, oh,

830
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm a.

831
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 4: Practitioner, I s a m Terry is is is We'll

832
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: call it so Terry Terry. He had signed up to

833
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: be in the road Runner Bass Tournament in Tyler, Texas.

834
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Tyler, Texas.

835
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: Yes, so he and l Row, They Terry and l Row.

836
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: They're in the truck with the tank in the back

837
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: with a fish bobbing around in it. They get to

838
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: the tournament. He you know, Terry's out there, you know he, oh,

839
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: look at this thing, and he like, I guess I

840
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: don't know that. He like stuck a hook into it

841
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 4: and then.

842
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, you guys, and you.

843
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: Know they it's just they made a ton of money.

844
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: So l Row and all his buddies they're honing this con.

845
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: They do it over and over and kidding, they did

846
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: it way more than once, and they make a ton

847
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: of money. He was able to scam three hundred and

848
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars from the Texas Bass Tournament circuit.

849
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: Damn right. The judges got wise to.

850
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: Him, though, and they eventually they called someone in to

851
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: analyze the fish and they're like, this is not local.

852
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: This is a local species.

853
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: This is like, Nemo, get this out of here.

854
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: This is a European fish totally.

855
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: So in eighty five, nineteen eighty five, he and three

856
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: anglers they got fines and five year prison sentences because

857
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: and they pled guilty.

858
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: Of course three fifty thousand fraud.

859
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Im Terry, he's the government's star witness, which got

860
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 4: him a lighter sentence in the lesser.

861
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Okay, he went snitched, Yeah.

862
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: He snitched. But this isn't just an American problem, No,

863
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: I bet not.

864
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: Romania's national carp fishing team they were as crooked as

865
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: they come, you star. They cheated their way to a

866
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 4: win at the fourteenth World carp Angling Championships in twenty twelve.

867
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: That was on their home waters. No really, it was

868
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: held in Romania. The England national team thought something was fishy,

869
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: so they lodged a formal complaint against the host Romanians

870
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 4: because it turns out that like for months, the Romanians

871
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: had been going down to like where they were going

872
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: to go fishing and feeding the carp like a special

873
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: local bait that would give them an advantage during the

874
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: turn brilliant. And so they're just get this is the

875
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 4: bait They're going to brilliant, fattening them up, and they're

876
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: like creating a preference in the fish for their special baits.

877
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: A little freaky fish treats and the Brits.

878
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: The Brits use like a slurry of flour egg.

879
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: And dog beans. No, it's like, you know, this is

880
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: the English carp respond to flower egg and dog food kibble.

881
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: It's you know, insert English cuisine joke. So the Romanian

882
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: carp they're like, not about this, Like we have been

883
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: eating delicacies and you want to give us this garbage

884
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: where it's like a year ago they would have been like,

885
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: sounds good to me, you know, keep spoon and pops.

886
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: So that kind of baiting. It's not illegal, but it's unsportsmanlike.

887
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 5: The fish apparently not okay, I guess the judge didn't

888
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: think of it.

889
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: Ian Huntington, team manager of the England carp team. He

890
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: said their defeat was tough bait to swallow, so quote

891
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: hard lessons have been learned and it has been a

892
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: very difficult experience to pick the team and ourselves up

893
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: after this event. It is obvious that any team fishing

894
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: with the particular type of bait would do well and

895
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: the rest would really struggle to get a bite. Within

896
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 4: two hours of the match starting, we were asking ourselves

897
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 4: questions about the bait.

898
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: I understand that his team flounder. Is he going to

899
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: keep carping about this?

900
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 7: Yes?

901
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that was for you was so good. I felt

902
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: that through my whole body. This is so good.

903
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: So Romania they take first place in both team and

904
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: individual categories. The Bulgarian, Siberian and Portuguese teams they were

905
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: practicing at the same lake as the Romanians and they

906
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: saw them in the lead up to it. They're like,

907
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: what's you fishing with? And they're like, maybe a little

908
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: bit of this, So they started using that same bait

909
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: and that's why they came in second thirty four, right

910
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 4: behind Romania. England came in eighteen. Well it wasn't just England,

911
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: but South Africa and France came up empty two.

912
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: How much fish did the Romanian team yank from the

913
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: water in order to win the gold?

914
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: How much? Elizabeth One report.

915
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: Said one point seven tons of fish. That's just laying wasteed.

916
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

917
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: Speaking of England, they had a bass switcheroo, kind of

918
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 4: like the one in Texas. Matthew Clark won Guernsey's twenty

919
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: twelve Balwick Basque Club tournament. He pulled in a thirteen pound,

920
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: thirteen ounce bass.

921
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: Yea fish.

922
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was three pounds bigger than the second place fish.

923
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: Okay, and you know it's.

924
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 4: Usually like a game of ounces pounds ridiculous. So the

925
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: winner was announced, and then Clark and the second place fisherman,

926
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: Shane Bentley, they posed for photos with their fish, you know,

927
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: like when they're holding up the line or like you

928
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: know how someone they cradle it in front of them

929
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: like they just caught a newly birthed baby.

930
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Congratulations.

931
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So my friend Chris posted those pictures on Instagram

932
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: cradling baby fish, right, so babyish.

933
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: Bentley the second place He looks over at clark'sfish and

934
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: he realizes.

935
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: I've seen that before, but where I can't fish? Yeah,

936
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: I've seen I know that fish.

937
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: I know that you know him.

938
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: Where do I know him from?

939
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: What?

940
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: He recognized him from? The local Saint peter Port aquarium.

941
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he recognized aquarium.

942
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: He said, he said, he tells the Express newspaper quote.

943
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: It stood out because it had very distinct markings on

944
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 4: its head. When the bass was lifted out of the

945
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: tank for the photo, I thought, that's the fish from

946
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: the aquarium. The next morning, I went to the aquarium.

947
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 4: I looked in the tank, but I couldn't see the fish.

948
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: Then the woman looked and she couldn't find the fish.

949
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: So Clark scale the cliff. The winner, Scale the cliff,

950
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: climbed a rope ladder and broke into the aquarium, and

951
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: he told police that he was going to return the

952
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: fish after the contest, but he dropped and injured it

953
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: as he made his getaway. Quote he took it to

954
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: a fish seller who didn't realize it was stolen and

955
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 4: chopped it up. An aquarium spokesperson told The Express. All

956
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: we got back was the head and tail. You know,

957
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: I love animals more than anything, but for some reason,

958
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: this is absolutely hysterical. So he got sentenced to one

959
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: hundred hours of community service for that. Oh yeah, and

960
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: then that brings us to the most infamous of fishing scandals. Okay,

961
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 4: you know, like the Irish dancing Hullabluo. This one went

962
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: down in twenty twenty two. Scan It's sort of what

963
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: kicked off this whole episode idea, because we got a

964
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: lot of recommendations for it, and I remember when I

965
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 4: first saw the clip, I was like, oh, I gotta

966
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: just show them this, So Jacob Runyon, age forty three,

967
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 4: and Chase Kaminski, aged thirty six, two grown men who

968
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: should know better.

969
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, I recognize this tone.

970
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: So the Lake Erie Walleye Trail Tournament in Cleveland is

971
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: high stakes. Oh yeah, big, thirty thousand dollars on the lines.

972
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: Er Oh yeah, it draws dozens of teams, big sponsors,

973
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: and you can win not just cash, but like super

974
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 4: snazzy fishing boats.

975
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, kind of like the glitter paint.

976
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: So since this is fishing and there's a lot of

977
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: money on the line, the organizers routinely subject winners to

978
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: polygraph tests. Do you remember remember Erlo McNeil, right, the

979
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: Texas guy. Uh he and his crew used to get

980
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 4: around those polygraph tests by taking kludes.

981
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: What yeah, where are they finding kluds?

982
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: Well back in the day, oh of course, eighties, Yeah

983
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 4: they still so run In and Kaminsky, you know, they

984
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 4: had a bang up twenty twenty one season.

985
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: And they're used like GHB to beat the test.

986
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: Well, there's no kaludes anymore, so I know. But the

987
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one they won more than three hundred thousand dollars.

988
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: That came in in prizes.

989
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Impressive.

990
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they also lost some of that money when

991
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: one of them failed a tournament's polygraph test of like

992
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, stockpiled luthes.

993
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: So beta blockers. Oh god, I love.

994
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 4: So they signed up for the tournament and they went

995
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: out to catch the heaviest walleye and Lake Erie okay,

996
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: and it seemed like they did. They pulled out four

997
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: whoppers and they took the day. There is a viral

998
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: video of the event, and it is amazing, of course.

999
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: And since I can't show it, here's Sarin. I invite

1000
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: you to close you eyes.

1001
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I want you to picture.

1002
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: It's September thirtieth, twenty twenty two. The Ridiculous Crime Antarctica

1003
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: episode dropped yesterday and let me tell you you loved it.

1004
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: Who were you?

1005
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: Your name is Braden Lee Ryder. That's all one word,

1006
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: spider Man. You're a fictional attendee of the Lake Erie

1007
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: Walleye Trail Tournament. You aren't a fisherman. You just like

1008
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 4: their fashion and the smell of fish. So there you

1009
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: are on the shore of the lake with scores of

1010
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: other fish beans, all eager to take a look a

1011
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: winning catches. You heard their enormous.

1012
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 3: God, what a time to be alive.

1013
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: As men murmur and mumble around you, you watch Jacob

1014
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: Runyan and Chase Kamiski strut to the stage and accept

1015
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 4: their places first top Dogs, big Fish.

1016
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: Everyone hates them.

1017
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: They hoist two heavy walleye into the air, their oakley

1018
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 4: blade sunglasses reflecting the cloudy sky. They're under armour hoodies

1019
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: and blazoned with a mishmash of sponsor logos and the

1020
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 4: word Runyon Ranger on the back. This is their moment.

1021
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: And then the tournament director, Jason Fisher, I mean, can

1022
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: you are you kidding me?

1023
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: That is his real last name, Jason the Argonaut.

1024
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: Jason Fisher makes his move. Runyan and Kamisky. They put

1025
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: their catch into a milk crate. Fisher walks over, takes

1026
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: the crate away. He walks to the side of the

1027
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: stage and sets.

1028
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: The crate on the ground.

1029
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: After conferring with an associate, he lifts one of the

1030
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: fish from the crate and sets it on the asphalt.

1031
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 4: Runyon stands by, stone faced as Fisher takes a knife.

1032
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: From his potu. The crowd grows silent.

1033
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 4: Fisher stabs his blade into the side of the fish

1034
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 4: and draws it upward from the tail to the glassy

1035
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: dead eyes. He reaches into the guts of the walleye

1036
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 4: and pulls something out. It's a lead weight the size

1037
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: of a ping pong ball. The crowd irrupts. There is

1038
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: shouting for a freshwater sport. They share our using salting language.

1039
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: Saren Runyon stands there, silent, staring as fisher continues to

1040
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: slice open the winning catches, pulling out more weights and

1041
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 4: even fish filets.

1042
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: A filet of fish somebody else.

1043
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's likes just each fish, tons of weights coming

1044
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 4: out of it and fish filets. They shoved extra fish

1045
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 4: into the fish to win a boat.

1046
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 3: Call the cops.

1047
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 4: One guy yells he needs to go to jail. The

1048
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: man standing next to you, holding his phone and recording

1049
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: the whole thing, ask the question on everyone's mind.

1050
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: You got anything to say? Runyan does not.

1051
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: So the five weighted fish were confiscated. Runyan and his

1052
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 4: pal get kicked out, and he's just he's just standing

1053
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: there the whole time.

1054
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm just taking it as.

1055
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: Everyone's yelling at him and swearing, and it's just like.

1056
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: Going there on a dock, right, or I could.

1057
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 4: Right exactly and So, by the way, if you want

1058
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: to watch the video, search Walleye Tournament Cheaters on YouTube

1059
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: and there's one posted by any oh Outdoors that's it's

1060
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: like uncut, it's it's raw tape. They don't even bleep

1061
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: out all the bad words. It's it's it's heavy.

1062
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: So a grand jury indicted the two on charges of cheating,

1063
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: attempted grand theft, and possessing criminal tools, and the charges

1064
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: are fifth degree felonies.

1065
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: Damn.

1066
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: Quote.

1067
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: I take all crime very seriously, and I believe what

1068
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: these two individuals attempted to do was not only dishonorable

1069
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: but also criminal. Prosecutor Michael C. O'Malley chimed in. The

1070
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: dudes also faced a misdemeanor count of unlawful ownership of

1071
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 4: wild an animals, and that's related to the raw fish

1072
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: filets that they allegedly have on their boat to shove

1073
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: into the fish they caught. They pleaded guilty to cheating

1074
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: and unlawful ownership of wild animals. They were sentenced to

1075
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: ten days in jail and a year and a half probation,

1076
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: and they each also had to pay twenty five hundred

1077
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: dollars fine.

1078
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: Damn.

1079
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: Both men had their fishing licenses suspended.

1080
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: For three years.

1081
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, maximum penalty allowed by law. Kaminski was also required

1082
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: to forfeit his boat worth one hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

1083
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

1084
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: Michael O'Malley, the prosecutor, said that the duo quote deserve

1085
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: to have their fishing license suspended for life. These two

1086
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: should be banned from every fishing tournament for life. They

1087
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 4: are thieves and now they are convicted felons.

1088
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: What is your ridiculous takeaway?

1089
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: Oh Man, I would have tried, and I have to

1090
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: admit this to pull off the answer of I don't

1091
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 2: know what these fish have been eating, and I would

1092
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: have tried for a long time to save and they

1093
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: would have been filming that. I would have regretted it

1094
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: later on, but I would have tried it.

1095
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: I think that's amazing and I think they should have done.

1096
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth?

1097
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: That was really good.

1098
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: My ridiculous takeaway is everyone should try their hardest to

1099
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: not be competitive.

1100
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: Not be competitive.

1101
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: Don't be competitive.

1102
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to be less competitive than you are.

1103
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm more talking to myself.

1104
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: I bet I could be less competitive.

1105
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 3: Than it could be way more or less producer Dave.

1106
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Take note of this. I'd like you to mark that

1107
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: I can be less competitive.

1108
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: That's all I have for today.

1109
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: You can find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com.

1110
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: We're also at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 4: You can email Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com and

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Speaker 4: no one will answer you. Leave us a talk back

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Speaker 4: on the iHeart app reach out Biby. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 4: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette, produced and edited

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Speaker 4: by Angler Dangler, Dave Cousten. Research is by Cutthroat Squared

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Speaker 4: Sharpened Hear. The theme song is by Bear seven point

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Speaker 4: Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred. Executive producers

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Speaker 4: How is your catch already Battered? And Fried Brown.

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Speaker 2: Dis Crime Say It One More Time, Geeks Cry.

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