WEBVTT - Samantha | Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 2>It was like not being able to look away from

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<v Speaker 2>her car accident. I couldn't look away. I couldn't put

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<v Speaker 2>it down. It was almost like reading a novel. But

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<v Speaker 2>this was my real life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. Samantha Gray as a professor of psychology. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, She's taught a variety of classes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was teaching couples in family therapy. I taught adolescent development.

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<v Speaker 2>I taught an undergrad class called Psychology and Technology.

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<v Speaker 1>She got her start in the academic world exploring how

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<v Speaker 1>tech shapes are personal identity and how we relate to

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Samantha has always loved technology when she was

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in the eighties. Her favorite toy was a

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<v Speaker 1>wiz Kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It was literally a laptop. It had a little handle,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would carry it like it was a little briefcase.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of went along with my vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>Her vibe, which Samantha describes.

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<v Speaker 2>As opinionated, inquisitive, and bookish.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever she was around her more rowdy cousins, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like patting my pearls, like, oh my, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to play in the dirt, Like, oh no, I

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<v Speaker 2>had my little purse and I was right at the

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<v Speaker 2>adults table.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha wanted to be the first in her family to

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<v Speaker 1>go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd read the newspaper with my dad and we'd watch

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<v Speaker 2>the nightly news together.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha's dad was in the military. Growing up, they moved

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<v Speaker 1>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born in Chicago, but then we moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Texas and then Georgia, and then we moved to Germany

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<v Speaker 2>and then California.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally her family settled down in Indianapolis, Indiana. In high school,

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha floated between a few social groups.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't in the super nerdy group. I wasn't in

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<v Speaker 2>the cool kids group. I was right there in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the editor for my high school newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't really into high school sports unless she was

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<v Speaker 1>writing about a game for the school paper.

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<v Speaker 2>We got passes to go to the football games and

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<v Speaker 2>report from the sidelines. I was like VIP coming through.

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<v Speaker 2>My access to the cool kids was having to interview players.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those cool kids was a guy we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to call Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael was popular. He was a football player. He was

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<v Speaker 2>tall and big. Everyone called him Big Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael had moved out of his parents' house and lived

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<v Speaker 1>on his own. He already seemed like an adult, and

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha admired.

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<v Speaker 2>That he was already kind of grown and maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>helped him be the cool guy because he had his

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<v Speaker 2>stuff together.

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<v Speaker 1>They both stayed in Indianapolis for college, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>in touch. A few years into college, a guy Samantha

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to invited her to a house party at

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<v Speaker 1>his place he lived with a roommate. When Samantha got

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<v Speaker 1>to the party, her date went off to smoke with

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<v Speaker 1>his friends, leaving Samantha alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't drink. I felt uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha wandered through the party feeling out of place. Then

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<v Speaker 1>she walked past the door to the garage. She immediately

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<v Speaker 1>recognized Michael. It turned out he was her dates roommate.

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<v Speaker 2>He had converted the garage to a game room. He

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<v Speaker 2>had speakers picked up in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael and some of his friends were hanging out on

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<v Speaker 1>a couch in the garage playing video games.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, okay, like video games, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a targeted activity with these people in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha made her way over to the couch. Michael saw

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<v Speaker 1>her approaching and immediately made room for her to sit

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<v Speaker 1>next to him. He handed her controller and showed her

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<v Speaker 1>how to play.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very charismatic, very cacarious, charming. I remember having a

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<v Speaker 2>great time.

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<v Speaker 1>They took turns playing a golf video game and laughed

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<v Speaker 1>at each other's mistakes. Hanging out with Michael, Samantha finally

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<v Speaker 1>felt relaxed at the party. After a while, Samantha got

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<v Speaker 1>up to head back into the main house.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to go down a step to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the loom. I was coming out of the garage and

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<v Speaker 2>I fell off that step. I hyper extended my knee

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<v Speaker 2>and the whole party got quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone stopped and stared at her. She was so embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in searing pain. I was like, let me

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<v Speaker 2>just go home and get out of here. Everything, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be fine. I went to stand up and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>fare wait on it.

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<v Speaker 1>She couldn't get up. She looked around the room, waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to help her. She spotted her date, but

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<v Speaker 1>he just seemed embarrassed on her behalf. But then she

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<v Speaker 1>felt hands lifting her up. It was Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael went into straight action. He came over. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>can you stand on it? We tried that I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>When it became clear that she couldn't stand on her own,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael didn't hesitate.

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<v Speaker 2>He literally scooped me into his arms in front of

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<v Speaker 2>my date, takes me outside, carrying me, puts me in

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<v Speaker 2>his car, buckles me in, drove me to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha was awestruck. Michael was taking care of her like

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<v Speaker 1>it was the most natural thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought highly of him and was grateful because my date,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think, had a car or a driver's license.

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<v Speaker 2>He literally swept me off my feet.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, she got a text from Michael. He

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten her number from someone at the party, so

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<v Speaker 1>he could check in on her. He asked her how

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<v Speaker 1>her knee was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, it was like we'd never stop talking.

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<v Speaker 1>She learned more about his life. Even though they were young,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was already a dad. He had two daughters with

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<v Speaker 1>his ex girlfriend. He was balancing parenting with going to college.

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<v Speaker 1>This didn't scare Samantha away. Michael was responsible and seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like a great dad.

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt like we had so much to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Their conversations became more and more flirty. Michael invited her

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<v Speaker 1>back to his house to play video games. This time

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<v Speaker 1>it was just the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>We had our first kiss at his house in that garage,

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<v Speaker 2>pretending to play video games.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, they started going on dates. In a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways, Michael and Samantha were pretty different, but the

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<v Speaker 1>more they hung out, the more they found things they

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<v Speaker 1>had in common.

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<v Speaker 2>We were two kids coming from families that we were

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<v Speaker 2>the first generation to go to college. He was innately intelligent,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was quick witted for sure, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think we kind of acted over both wanting and academic life,

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<v Speaker 2>like to go to college and to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>classes that we were in.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever she was with Michael, life felt brighter and more fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I was definitely head over heells. Michael could do no

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<v Speaker 2>wrong in Miyes. He was so kind to me. He

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<v Speaker 2>was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Six months later, they made their relationship official. When people

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<v Speaker 1>from their high school saw them out together. They were confused.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was super social in high school. Everyone remembered him,

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<v Speaker 1>but Samantha had flown under the radar.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be standing right next to him and they'd be like, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>what's that big night? They would not acknowledge me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd realized they didn't know that we were together. And

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<v Speaker 2>so then when he would bring me into the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, oh, hey, how do you know like

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<v Speaker 2>to go to our high school? I was yep.

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<v Speaker 1>People seemed to think they were an odd couple, but

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<v Speaker 1>neither of them cared about what other people thought.

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<v Speaker 2>We would drive up from Indian Flis to Lake Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this gorgeous peer and we'd go out on

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<v Speaker 2>the pier and we would pack like a picnic.

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<v Speaker 1>This was more than just a summer flame. They continued

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<v Speaker 1>dating throughout college. As the seasons changed, their relationship stayed

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<v Speaker 1>steady and grew stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of things weren't very traditional. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>cook and clean. He did the cooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Another untraditional thing they did is that while they were

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<v Speaker 1>both in college, they decided to get married at the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>One because they were in love, and two because being

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<v Speaker 1>married would help Samantha qualify for financial aid on her tuition.

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<v Speaker 1>The arrangement worked for both of them. Samantha and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>made just enough money to scrape by.

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<v Speaker 2>We were really struggling. We only gay gas at a

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<v Speaker 2>gas station called Speedway, and we'd save up our points.

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<v Speaker 2>There were times where that was dinner, like hot dogs, natchos, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>In her senior year, Samantha started applying to PhD programs.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got into a PhD program straight out of undergrad.

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<v Speaker 1>The program was in Tennessee. It would be a big change,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was more than just an academic opportunity. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot at stake.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got into a PhD program. It was this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing opportunity to really change our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So Samantha and Michael decided to move to Tennessee for

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<v Speaker 1>a few years. Michael's daughters stayed in Indiana with their mom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big sacrifice for him to be away

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<v Speaker 1>from his kids, but they knew they were building a

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<v Speaker 1>better life for all of them. Starting over was challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>Grad school was tough. It was very oddbous that my

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<v Speaker 2>peers had backgrounds that were different than mine. They would

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<v Speaker 2>talk about their vacation backpacking through Europe or whatever. We

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<v Speaker 2>qualified and were on food stamps.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though their lifestyle wasn't glamorous, they were happy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so fun. He was this bigger than life character,

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<v Speaker 2>like he wanted to grab life and live it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so even though we didn't have a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>we were also in a new part of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in eastern Tennessee, which butts up to the

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<v Speaker 2>Smoky Mountains. We would pack a picnic and go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Smoky mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael always reminded Samantha that life wasn't supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>one long sprint. They had to take time to slow

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<v Speaker 1>down and enjoy where they were. Sitting by his side,

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<v Speaker 1>the smoky mountains wrapping around them, remembered how far they

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<v Speaker 1>had come.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are with this fresh mountain air, and like

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<v Speaker 2>here you are on a PhD program. Things are looking up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still poor, but gosh, darn't it like we're just

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<v Speaker 2>on the cusp of things being good.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha and Michael dreamed of having a child one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was already supporting his two daughters back in Indiana,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just didn't have the money to afford to

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<v Speaker 1>raise a child of their own.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew we did not have money, but I did

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<v Speaker 2>want to have a kid. I still wanted to dream

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and we did. He was also a big dreamer, so.

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<v Speaker 1>In between late night classes and long shifts at work,

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<v Speaker 1>they allowed themselves to dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember us sitting at the computer in the hallway

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<v Speaker 2>and our house. I opened a Microsoft word document and

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<v Speaker 2>we created this list of baby names if I had

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<v Speaker 2>a girl. I always wanted one of these gender neutral names,

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<v Speaker 2>names that were like Andy or Peyton.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one baby name that was at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of Samantha's list. We're going to use a pseudonym that

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<v Speaker 1>shares the same unique style.

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<v Speaker 2>Samantha loves Ellington.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't know any other kids with that name. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>loved it too. At this point in her life, having

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<v Speaker 1>a kid was still far away, but she hoped that

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<v Speaker 1>dream might one day be within reach. Even though they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of money, Samantha and Michael were happy.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in love, and they had big plans for

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<v Speaker 1>their future. After years of hard work, Samantha got her

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<v Speaker 1>PhD in psychology. She got an internship and then a

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<v Speaker 1>postdoctoral fellowship, and not just any fellowship.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to do my post stoc with Cambridge Hospital

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts. That is a Harvard medfellowship.

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<v Speaker 1>Walking across campus was a real pinch me moment for Samantha.

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<v Speaker 2>Here I am with a school id for Harvard, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Harvard Libraries. I'm on Harvard campus for

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<v Speaker 2>someone from my background. Never would I have thought that

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<v Speaker 2>I would have had any opportunity like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved to a town thirty minutes outside of Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the start of a new chapter. Michael had

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<v Speaker 1>a steady job and Samantha was chasing her dreams. In

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<v Speaker 1>their free time, they explored their new city together.

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<v Speaker 2>We were enjoying being on an ocean, like we are Midwesterners.

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<v Speaker 2>We got an apartment that was walking distance to the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>It was grand. We started to eat better. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like we had just enough money to enjoy a few

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<v Speaker 2>of the finer things.

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<v Speaker 1>Gas Station hot dogs were replaced by fancier options.

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<v Speaker 2>Lobster rolls on the beach. Yeah, it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But that winter in Boston was bitter.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the snowpocalypse. And even Bostonians were telling me.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, no, Samantha, like this is not normal. We

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<v Speaker 2>can now believe that this is your one year in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was working a retail job with Verizon. When the

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures dropped below zero, he still had to go into work.

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<v Speaker 1>Then one day he got sick.

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<v Speaker 2>He caught pneumonia and was hot hospitalized.

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<v Speaker 1>In the hospital, while they were treating Michael's pneumonia, the

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<v Speaker 1>doctors noticed something even more alarming. Michael had heart failure, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, how has no one told you that

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<v Speaker 2>you have heart failure before? Because this is pretty advanced.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way no one told you that you had

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<v Speaker 2>major heart issues. And he was like, oh, someone may

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<v Speaker 2>have said something, but it didn't seem a serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael hadn't told Samantha anything about this. Even now, he

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<v Speaker 1>was downplaying it, but the doctors were clear he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to start treatment immediately after he caught pneumonia. Michael never

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<v Speaker 1>fully recovered.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a stark difference to go from walking around

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<v Speaker 2>and enjoying the fall to pretty quickly having a significant disability.

0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.000
<v Speaker 2>His heart couldn't keep up, so he'd run out of breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was forced to slow down. He'd kept his heart

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<v Speaker 1>issues under wraps for years, but now they were impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore.

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<v Speaker 2>He just became more sick, and that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I realized that his health would become a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>After a year in Boston, Samantha's postdoc fellowship ended, she

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael moved home to Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to secure a tenure track job with

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dream job. She'd get to teach classes

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<v Speaker 1>in psychology and technology. She would even run her own lab.

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<v Speaker 2>My lab was about social technology and communication.

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<v Speaker 1>But Michael's doctors were worried about the move.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, when you get out of our care,

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<v Speaker 2>you absolutely need to take this seriously. When you get

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<v Speaker 2>to Indiana, like, you have to immediately connect with a

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<v Speaker 2>team of doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>When they got settled back in Indiana, Michael's health got worse.

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<v Speaker 1>He was living with advanced heart failure. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>scary diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was trying to put on a strong

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<v Speaker 2>face for everyone else, but behind the curtain, he definitely

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't hide it from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, even basic tasks like getting around the house became

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<v Speaker 1>challenging for Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>There were times I had to help him to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>The fluid on his legs was so great that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't stand. I was like five to two and

0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.639
<v Speaker 2>he was over three hundred pounds. I ended up hurting

0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.920
<v Speaker 2>my own back trying to help him. It was very

0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.360
<v Speaker 2>difficult to be a caregiver.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a stressful time. Samantha had started working long

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<v Speaker 1>hours as a professor. In her time off, she was

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<v Speaker 1>caring for Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>It almost made my love for him grow because I

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<v Speaker 2>was worse read about his health and him not being around.

0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.159
<v Speaker 1>It became clear that Michael was going to need a

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.680
<v Speaker 1>heart transplant, but planning for that procedure was a long

0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.679
<v Speaker 1>and complicated process. They needed a more immediate treatment to

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<v Speaker 1>keep him stable, so Michael's doctors started him on a

0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.520
<v Speaker 1>medication that flowed through a twenty four hour IV.

0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.960
<v Speaker 2>He wore a backpack and we hid the pump in

0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 2>his little backpack. It was to keep him comfortable, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was so terrifying that, like you had to keep

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 2>the batteries loaded so that this medicine would continuously flow.

0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.359
<v Speaker 2>If it stopped, he could have died.

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<v Speaker 1>It was terrifying, and their dreams for the future were

0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:44.359
<v Speaker 1>put on pause.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still relatively young. Going to the cardiollaist every two

0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.679
<v Speaker 2>weeks wasn't on our to do list before. It was

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.520
<v Speaker 2>a mess. Trying to take care of his physical health

0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 2>and trying to get tenure. It was extremely stressful.

0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Michael's doctors advised him not to work. Samantha was making

0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.360
<v Speaker 1>enough money to cover their bills, and any strenuous physical

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 1>effort was too much of a risk for his heart.

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.280
<v Speaker 1>But Michael did not take this advice well.

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.760
<v Speaker 2>He was not someone who enjoyed being told no or

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<v Speaker 2>having things taken away. He's always been a competitive person.

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.720
<v Speaker 2>He was an athlete in his younger years. He's always

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<v Speaker 2>considered himself healthy and able bodied.

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<v Speaker 1>Against the advice of his doctors, he kept working.

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<v Speaker 2>I was telling him, like, Michael, sit down, I can

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<v Speaker 2>pay the bills. All you need to do is focus

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.439
<v Speaker 2>on your health. I was agreeing with them, doctors. I

0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:51.080
<v Speaker 2>saw his condition. The evidence was very clear cut, and

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what if your medicine runs out, what

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a stroke or something happens.

0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Michael insisted that he felt fine.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on a lot of prednizone, which I called

0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the duct tape of medicine, just a general steroid that

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 2>makes you feel great. That's how sick he was. But

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.240
<v Speaker 2>he didn't understand they're trying to keep me comfortable. He

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.120
<v Speaker 2>only understood I feel great.

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.800
<v Speaker 1>No matter what she said, Samantha could not get Michael

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to stop working. He said they needed the money.

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't understand why he was so money hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's health made other aspects of their relationship more challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a difference in our level of physical intimacy

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<v Speaker 2>that came along with some of the woes of being

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a heart failure patient.

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<v Speaker 1>Things were hard. They were stressed about money, work, intimacy,

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<v Speaker 1>and the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything we were going through felt like the pamphlets you

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:58.240
<v Speaker 2>would read in the lobby at the cardiologist's office for

0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 2>families going through heart to transplant. He felt like financial stress,

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<v Speaker 2>relationship stress, intimacy issues.

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<v Speaker 1>All the while, Michael kept coming to her with ways

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.920
<v Speaker 1>to make more money. One day, he told her he'd

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<v Speaker 1>found a lucrative business model, a trucking company.

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<v Speaker 2>Bred box type trucks that just delivered clients' for big

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 2>box stores like Low's Home Depot, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd always wanted to be an entrepreneur. Samantha already knew

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 1>she couldn't stop Michael from working, so if he'd found

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>something he was excited about, she wouldn't stand in his way.

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<v Speaker 2>In this weird time where I felt like he was

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<v Speaker 2>losing himself a little bit, losing his identity, I did

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>want him to be happy, and I wanted to support him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, I'll get on board because he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael enrolled in a training program to learn about the

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<v Speaker 1>trucking industry. The trainings were extensive and took place in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Beat anywhere from three days to a week, so he'd

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.920
<v Speaker 2>get a hotel and do the training and then come.

0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Back whenever he was gone. Samantha worried about him, but

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 1>at the time she was working a lot too.

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I was working as a tenure track professor, and it

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.680
<v Speaker 2>is so much work teaching a class for the first

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 2>time and having to prepare the materials. I was at

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the office until one two in.

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:31.760
<v Speaker 1>The morning with all the travel and hotels attending these

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>trainings became expensive, but Michael found a solution. He had

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a friend in the program who would let him stay

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:38.639
<v Speaker 1>at his house.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's very kind of them. Are you sure.

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Michael assured her that it was totally fine and that

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>his friend was happy to host him. A few days later,

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>he left again for North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, he sent me a text message to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me that he was going to church, and I was like, oh,

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>my goodness, you went to church. We haven't gone to

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>church in a long time, but we both come from

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>families that faith is really important.

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Michael texted her throughout the church service, telling her about

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the amazing singer he was watching. She happened to be

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>performing one of his mom's favorite songs.

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>His mom passed away when I was in grad school,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 2>and he was emotional because he was hearing his mother's

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>favorite songs. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, that does sound amazing.

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you got to go.

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Samantha was touched by this update from Michael, and.

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:43.199
<v Speaker 2>He was so excited. He told me the name of

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.160
<v Speaker 2>the artist who was singing. He's like, oh, she seems

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>so great. You got to hear her sing this song,

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 2>so I'm thinking, Okay, I'll look it up later.

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>When she had a free moment a few hours later,

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>she decided to look up the singer Michael was raving about.

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I just googled the artist's name date and it came

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 2>right up. Except the artist singing that day wasn't in

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. The artist singing that day was in a

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 2>church in Knoxville, Tennessee.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Samantha stared at her screen.

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I immediately knew he was lying. I just didn't know why.

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>She pulled up the church's Facebook page.

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>It was a big enough church that they were recording

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 2>their services, and by the time I got on the

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Facebook page, those services had already been uploaded to the website.

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>She clicked on the recording of that morning service.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>This church records their services from the back of the church,

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>so the entire congregation was visible. It was like the

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>back of everyone's heads.

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Scanning the crowd. Her eyes landed on Michael.

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>My heart sang when I saw him. He's big and tall,

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.679
<v Speaker 2>and he's in yellow right smackdeb in the middle of

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:14.479
<v Speaker 2>the spring. And then my heart sank again when I

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 2>saw her.

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 1>While Michael was on a work trip. He texted his wife,

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Samantha to tell her he was attending an incredible church service.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 1>But when Samantha looked up the church, her reality began

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to crack. Michael was lying about the state he was in.

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>He said he was in North Carolina, but this church

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was in Tennessee. And when she watched the recording of

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the service, she saw him in the hughes with another woman.

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 2>My heart sank when I saw him, and then it

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>sank again when I saw her.

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>The camera angle gave Samantha a clear view of them.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>She could see that they were holding hands.

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I glanced around the congregation. I'm like, wait, this is one

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>of those times where everyone's supposed to be holding hands,

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Like why are we holding hands? Like is this you

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>know we're gonna do a group prayer? Like what's going on?

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>And it was quickly, just the next second I realized, Nope,

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 2>no one else is holding hands. They are clearly together, coupled.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 2>There was a time on the footage that they kissed,

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if my heart could possibly sink

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 2>one more stage. But he was with a family.

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Sitting next to Michael was a young boy, and next

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>to him an older woman.

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>He has a whole other family in this.

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>They were all clearly together. Samantha watched in horror.

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>There are times where I can see him texting, and

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 2>I realized he's texting me.

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Michael clearly had no idea the church service was being recorded,

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>or that by telling her the singer's name, he had

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:25.959
<v Speaker 1>told on himself.

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>He was that confident and that comfortable and not concerned

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.239
<v Speaker 2>at all. He's like, I can just lie in this

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>woman's face. She'll never know.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>But now Samantha knew.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>After I found out what he was doing and I

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>saw the video, I went on a quiet rampage.

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Samantha and Michael had been married for over ten years.

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>She knew all of his passwords. She'd never had any

0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>reason to snoop.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Now I went home that night and I started opening

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>all the mail I could find, open up old computers.

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I've powered up all his old cell phones.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>She held her breath, afraid she would find more evidence

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>of this affair. But as soon as she powered on

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>his old devices, she was met with a tidal wave

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of information. So many emails and texts from multiple women

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>she'd never met. This wasn't an isolated affair. This was

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>his way of life. She began going through his text messages.

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>In some cases, Michael was paying women for.

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Sex transactional to type relationships.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Others were serious emotional connections.

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Some of these people they had long term relationships. They

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>had anniversary text messages. There is one woman who I

0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>think it was like seven years.

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Samantha went further and further back in his text and emails.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Michael had been cheating on her for almost their entire marriage.

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>When she counted up all the evidence she could find,

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>she had proof of at least fifteen different affairs.

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>This is years and years and years of affairs that

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I have found. So many women, so many lies. And

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>these are people who know he's married, right, some women

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>who would talk about me. To see your husband having

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.479
<v Speaker 2>a sexual communication with someone and then that person says,

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>you better save some of that for your wife. You

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>guys are trying to have a baby.

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>That sentence stopped Samantha in her tracks. She had been

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to get pregnant for a while, but it had

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>been a difficult road. Seeing someone joke about it made

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>her sick. She kept reading, and she noticed something.

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>His tone was different with different women.

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>One of the women he was having an affair with

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>worked at a prestigious hospital with her. He texted in

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.719
<v Speaker 1>full sentences and made grand gestures.

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>He had a beautiful set of flowers delivered to Beth

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Israel Hospital in Boston.

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>With other women. He was way more casual.

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>The language he used, their abbreviations, Oh, the slang he

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>would use. It almost looked like a teenager texting. I

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, my goodness, how does he manage these? He

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 2>was like a little social chameleon.

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>The messages were painful to read, but she couldn't stop.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like not being able to look away from her

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>car accident. I couldn't look away. I couldn't put it down.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>It was dizzying, disorienting. The rug had been pulled from

0:31:58.920 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>underneath me.

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>She felt like she needed to get to the bottom

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of everything. Next, she started going through his finances.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Almost everything I opened had some sort of damning piece

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>of evidence on it. It was a credit card in

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>my name, Another credit card in my name. This one

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>has a dinner date on it. This one has a

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>concert in Pennsylvania on it.

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>It was becoming clear that Michael's work trips were not

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 1>what they seemed. He'd been traveling to meet women and

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>racking up debt in Samantha's name while he was there.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Samantha was stunned. She had always trusted Michael to handle

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>their bills.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>But that's a bad thing when your partner's cheating on you,

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>because then you don't look at the bills and you

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>don't look at what's right in front of your face.

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Suddenly, Michael's desire to keep working and keep making money

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>even when he was so sick, started to make sense.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>That is very expensive to cheat.

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>She sat on her bed, bills at old cell phones

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>piling up around her.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>It was hard to say like, Okay, this is the

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>point that I should stop looking and go to sleep.

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>I've got two more phones here that I haven't even

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>powered up yet. I've got more emails to look through.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>When do I put this aside or say like, okay,

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>now I have enough.

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>In the span of a few hours, everything she thought

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>she knew about her husband had been turned on its head.

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So if Michael wasn't who she thought, who was he?

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I was getting to know this person that I didn't know,

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to know him.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael was still in Knoxville. Samantha kept texting him like

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>everything was normal.

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want him to know what I knew. I

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be stealthy.

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Before she made any decisions. She wanted all the information.

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>She spent a few days reading everything, all the emails

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>and all the texts, catching up on the plot of

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the lives. She had no idea her husband was living.

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I would go to sleep with a phone in my hand,

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.240
<v Speaker 2>my laptop roll was on my bed. It was almost

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 2>like reading a novel, but this was my real life.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Finally, she had read all she could read, but still

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:25.919
<v Speaker 1>it didn't feel real.

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>In that moment. I was still lost. I kind of

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted an identity confirmation. This is reality, Like I want

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>to see his physical body, not through a screen. I

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be tangible.

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>So she decided it was time to take a trip.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Michael had taken her car, so she booked a rental.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>And I drove to Knoxville. I had no idea if

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I was going to confront him. I had four and

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.720
<v Speaker 2>a half five hours to figure out that out driving.

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>When she got to Knoxville, she checked into a hotel. Next,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 1>she needed a disguise.

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I put on a wig, a hat, and sunglasses because

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I was on this secretive mission.

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 1>She set out to find Michael, and it was surprisingly simple.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Some of the details he told her were true. He

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 1>really was working for a trucking company. When she drove

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 1>to the company's address, she found him parked there.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>From there, I started trailing him.

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Samantha followed Michael as he drove through the neighborhoods of Knoxville.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I was so worried that he wouldn't notice that he

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:42.720
<v Speaker 2>was being trailed.

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>But he didn't. He drove through Knoxville like he had

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>nothing to hide. He picked up the woman Samantha had

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>seen in the church video, and together they drove to

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a dog park.

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how long have they been together? They have

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 2>a dog together? Are you kidding me?

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Samantha parked up on a hill overlooking the dog park.

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at him. I could see him cheating.

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 2>They were holding hands walking the dog.

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>She took out her phone and started recording.

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I have video footage of them walking around this park

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.959
<v Speaker 2>holding hands, kissing. To me, it was like, if there's

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>an open and shutcase, this is it.

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Michael was strolling through the dog park holding another woman's hand,

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>like everything about that was normal, Like this was his

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>only universe, his only life.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And I started recording myself talking through everything that I

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 2>had been through, how I had gotten there. I don't

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>know why I did it. Maybe it's a psychologist in't me.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like a trama narrative, like talking to

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>a friend through a difficult problem. So I'm sitting here

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>narrating everything. It kept me calm.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>After the dog park, they went to a pancake house.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Samantha followed them there, Then they went to the grocery store.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>After that, she gave up on following them. She had

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>seen all she needed to. She sat in her parked

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>car staring straight ahead.

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>This is a normal life. And that almost made it

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>more confusing to me, because I'm like, there's nothing sexy

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>about this. This isn't the classic sort of popular media

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>representation of an affair where it's like, Okay, I'm going

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to check into the hotel, flipping my room car and

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll be ready for you type of affair, or looking

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>into each other's eyes talking about our feelings and there's

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 2>like a candlelit dinner. That's not how I found my husband.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I found my husband picking up poop after a dog

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 2>at a park. This isn't fun. You're just having a

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>boring life with another family. This is a painful affair.

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>When she woke up in her hotel room the next day,

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Michael texted her good morning, as he always did.

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 2>He never stopped texting me. Here's my husband. Ate still

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 2>send me good morning text messages.

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>She still hadn't told Michael that she knew about the

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>fifteen women, the years of lies, his double life. She

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell him anything. It was his turn to be

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>left in the dark. It was a beautiful day in Knoxville,

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and Samantha was going to church, one church in particular.

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>She heard there was a great singer there.

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Brought my bible, brought my Sunday clothes right. I had

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>a big cat on. This is church in south He

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't want me to know what he's doing. Now he

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get to know what I'm doing. I think that

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 2>was a big part of why I stayed away, to

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 2>regain some kind of control or some kind of power.

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>She prepared to confront Michael if he was there that Sunday,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't. After she left church, she took herself

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>on a little drive around Knoxville.

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I did a tour of my husband's cheating by the

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I had found. I drove around to the

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 2>places that I saw on my credit card receipt. I

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't go inside to eat, but I drove and I'm like, yep,

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 2>there's that restaurant.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>When she'd seen enough, she went home to Indianapolis. Michael

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>texted her and said that he needed to extend his

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>work trip for a few more days. She replied she

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted her car back, and he's.

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, well, you know, I'm down here doing the work thing.

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't care. I want my car back.

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 2>That was the only inkling I gave him that I

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>was upset about something, and he was upset because he

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>couldn't figure out, like, why is this a big deal.

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Michael made the drive back to Indianapolis to return her car,

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>but Samantha wasn't ready to face him.

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>He still didn't know that I knew anything. I wasn't

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 2>ready yet. I was so afraid of interacting with him

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 2>because we've been married for so long, and I'm like,

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 2>if he sees me, he's going to know.

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So she got a hotel room for the night and

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>told Michael she was staying at her dad's place. He

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>went to their house and dropped off her car. Then

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 1>he went back to Knoxville. She was keeping a close

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>eye on her finances now, and to her horror, she

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>saw that he tried to take out another credit card

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in her name.

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, well, I need to hurry up

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want him doing any more damage.

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>She decided to go to the police to file an

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 1>identity claim against Michael, but the fact that they were

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>married made things complicated.

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 2>The police were like, just divorce this guy, that's all

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you should do.

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, Michael was still in Knoxville. Samantha decided to move

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>out of their house. The university she worked for had

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>housing available for her to move.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Into, so I packed up everything. It was a quick pack,

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't sort of anything. I've moved under like the cover

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>of night.

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Basically, she told the people closest to her, including Michael's family,

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.240
<v Speaker 1>that she was planning to file for divorce, and.

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>That's how he found out that I knew. He found

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>out that I was divorcing him from his own family.

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But Michael didn't know what exactly Samantha knew. He just

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>knew that all of a sudden she wanted to end

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>their marriage. He called her, trying to figure out what

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was going on. Samantha told him she knew about the

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:51.839
<v Speaker 1>woman in Tennessee.

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, are you kidding me? We were trying to

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 2>have a kid, and you're down here cheating.

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael denied everything.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.439
<v Speaker 2>He never really admitted to anything. He's like, I'm down

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 2>here for our family. I'm down here for you. I

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>know things are bad now, but I'm almost done with

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the word thing. It didn't even sound like we were

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>talking about cheating. His narrative was like, well, whatever you found,

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 2>the truth is that I still love you, and I'm

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 2>down here trying to strengthen our family, and that as

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 2>soon as I get back and I don't have to

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>come down here for work anymore, we'll get back right

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 2>how things used to be.

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael couldn't even admit to this one affair, let alone

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the fourteen others. Samantha knew it was pointless to argue further.

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Their marriage was over.

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I have no desire to do any kind of reconnection.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I have no desire to do any kind of work

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 2>to try to estalvash the relationship. I don't I don't

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>even want to waste my breath.

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>When Michael finally came back to Indianapolis. He went to

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>their house, expecting Samantha to be there.

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>He put his key in the door, and because I

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>hadn't moved houses, his key didn't work.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>He called Samantha in a panic.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>He was like, what you do with all my stuff?

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, who you got caught cheating

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>with is who you can stay with.

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>After that, Samantha filed for divorce. Michael was faced with

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the sobering realization Samantha was walking away. Now he was

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the one left desperate for answers. Michael started showing up

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>at Samantha's job and.

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>He was leaving notes on my car. And I contacted

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.720
<v Speaker 2>him and I said, I'm officially putting you on notice

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that I do not want you coming to my job.

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Do not leave notes on my car. If you have

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>any correspondents, do it through my attorney. And I remember

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>he was just like, why are you being so cold.

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Samantha began setting up an independent life for herself. Not

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>only did Michael's betrayal take an emotional toll, there was

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a huge financial toll to the credit cards he took

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>out in her name, severely impacted her credit.

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I started protecting myself, locking my credit report, getting my

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>own health insurance. I was taking my life back, taking

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>my control back, and still in pain, but still putting

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>one foot in front of the other. I'm just like, Okay,

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 2>finally it's going to be some time, but maybe I

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 2>can breathe because I've just been through the wringer.

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:39.360
<v Speaker 1>One day, when she was at.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Work after I got my own health insurance, I was

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>logging into my account. I was in therapy at the time,

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to make sure that the insurance was

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 2>filing things correctly and whatnot.

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 1>When she logged into her health insurance portal, she noticed

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a new claim had been added to her account.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what it was for because I wasn't

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 2>really going to the doctor, and especially for that month,

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 2>it should have just been just my therapist on there.

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>She clicked on the claim and started reading.

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It didn't dawn on me that the date of birth

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 2>was on there and it wasn't my date of birth.

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 2>It didn't dawn on me that the city that the

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 2>claim was in was Knoxville, Tennessee. It didn't dawn on

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>me that it was a pediatrician that was the provider

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and It didn't dawn on me that the last name

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of the patient was the last name of my husband.

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 1>The only thing Samantha saw was the name in the

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>middle of the.

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Screen, Ellington he had a baby with this woman, and

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.399
<v Speaker 2>he took the name that I was going to give

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 2>my daughter if I ever had a little girl.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>That was their baby name one day dreamed of together.

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>This cut so deep. Something in her snaped.

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I was crying, wailing, sobbing. I didn't think that he

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.280
<v Speaker 2>could take anything else from me, but I was wrong.

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>That was the last thing that he could do to me,

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and he did.

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:25.240
<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, Michael called her. She usually ignored

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>his calls, but this time she picked up.

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I was just screaming at the top of my lungs.

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think I was making sense. I lowered

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 2>my tone and I said, did you have a baby

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.240
<v Speaker 2>with this woman?

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Michael played dumb.

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>He was just like, what are you talking about? And

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know already that you had a

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 2>baby with this woman.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Samantha held her breath waiting for Michael's response, but all

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>he said was, I.

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Mean, so we're getting divorced, like whatever.

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>His nonchalance was stunning.

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is the one thing that you

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 2>can't deny, Like, there is a life, there's a person

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that you have created. Surely that will be the one

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>thing that you can see that I would fall apart over.

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.479
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was actually gonna see how that would

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 2>be painful, and yeah, he just he did not. It

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 2>took years for us to get divorced. He refused to

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:43.399
<v Speaker 2>sign any of the papers. He would dodge phone calls, emails, subpoenas.

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was a mess.

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>But eventually their divorce was finalized. Michael and Samantha stopped

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>being in regular communication, but occasionally he or his family

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>reached out with updates on his health. That was how

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>she learned Michael's health was declining rapidly. He needed a

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>new heart.

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 2>He was on the heart transplant list. He was approved

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 2>and was waiting for a heart, but he was so

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 2>ill that he could not go home.

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael was living in the hospital waiting for an appropriate match.

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>His family updated Samantha when he finally made it off

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the list. They told her he was going into surgery.

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 2>He never woke up from that surgery. He died the

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 2>next day. I began to weep.

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Despite everything, she went to Michael's funeral.

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I had the pictures that they could use. I had

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the information for the obituary. I was the wife. I

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was grieving the husband that I thought I had, The

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>person that I thought I was married to, was who

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I was grieving.

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Samantha navigated complicated layers of grief. One of the hardest

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>parts was grieving the opportunity to be a mother. She

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 1>had to change her long term plans.

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I did get tenure, so that was very exciting. I

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>bought my own car. I worked really hard to get

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>my credit restored, and that took time, and that damage

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 2>went on for years. I recently bought a house. I

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.439
<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, yeah, I did that on my own.

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 2>I think for me it also marks having my life restored.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>She hasn't tried to erase Michael from her story.

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 2>It's easier for me to conceptualize it as grief. I

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>lost one of the most meaningful relationships that I thought

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>that I'd have for the rest of my life. I

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:56.320
<v Speaker 2>do not discount everything that happened in my marriage. I

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>think I've learned that it's more like a both and

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>instead of an either or or. He did these things,

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and I had times of joy and happiness in this marriage.

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.640
<v Speaker 1>There's no guide for situations like this one.

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I definitely just learned that I have far more room

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 2>for growth and expansion and self care and self love.

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Then I thought that I did wisdom. I think that

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 2>has come from the situation.

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.919
<v Speaker 1>We end every weekly episode with the same question, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to share your story?

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<v Speaker 2>I've always believed that there's power and narrative and power

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>and processing, but I have learned that there is actually

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>power in sharing outwardly. Shame is one of the most

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 2>difficult emotions to work through when it sinks in. It's

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so pervasive, it's in every deep dark corner of our minds.

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 2>In not hiding, it's the perfect way to work against shame.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Really started to see this pattern that she had been

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 3>using for years. It was almost like this chess game

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and it was checkmate, and she didn't really care that

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 3>we figured it out. We were just chess pieces to her.

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