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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. Good afternoon, everybody.

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Speaker 1: We're back here at the same bad time, same bat channel,

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Speaker 1: and same location as we have been each of the

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Speaker 1: previous three days. It's a Thursday edition of One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you as always, and we begin with

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Speaker 1: our evening activities from the night before. Steve and I

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Speaker 1: had a nice evening taking in the Saint John's Butler

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Speaker 1: game from historic Hinkle Field House. What an old barn.

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Speaker 1: That is, My god, if you like this history of

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Speaker 1: college basketball. That was a pleasure. It was to be

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Speaker 1: in last night.

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Speaker 2: It was It was a late night for us because

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Speaker 2: it was a tip. It tipped at nine pm. We

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Speaker 2: went out to dinner beforehand, got some tickets, and you're right,

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Speaker 2: the atmosphere was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Butler has been had been struggling, although they had won

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Speaker 2: four out of.

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Speaker 1: Their last five. I believe.

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Speaker 2: They're just sub five hundred, but they had really been

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Speaker 2: playing well and they gave Saint John all they wanted.

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Speaker 2: Great game, great atmosphere, and our good friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Catalan Mike Bill preseason game, pre season partner and

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Speaker 2: good friend of mine. He's doing the game for CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports Network. Steve Lapham is his Lapis Lapis, Steve Lapis

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Speaker 2: is his analyst. Great night, Great night.

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Speaker 1: And uh they put us on camera. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: They told us he did.

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Speaker 2: And so we were laughing because we went to dinner before

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Speaker 2: and I got this thing that we do in in

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Speaker 2: Indye where they've got this these two these little electric

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Speaker 2: scooters where if you have the you download the app,

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Speaker 2: load a credit card on, you pop the you pop

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Speaker 2: the barcode or the code, and boom you can electric

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Speaker 2: scooter everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And it's a wave. City lives by these things. The record.

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Speaker 2: It is awesome. It is awesome. So I'm thinking, Brownie,

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Speaker 2: we're going to dinner. We're gonna meet our guy there.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna drive after dinner, but you and I are

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Speaker 2: gonna scooter over to the restaurant. It's a mile, it's

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Speaker 2: a mile away. So I'm saying, let's let's scooter one

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Speaker 2: of the apps. There's two, there's two apps that have

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Speaker 2: the electric scooters, and both are available, but one of

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Speaker 2: them has a group ride. I'm gonna treat Brownie to

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Speaker 2: his first electric scooter ride here in indian Just walk,

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Speaker 1: He's a sermon to get me on.

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Speaker 2: Once he gets on the scooter, he's never gonna go

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Speaker 2: any other He's never gonna travel any other way.

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Speaker 1: I pop it on. I can't.

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Speaker 2: I cannot get the app to work, and I am.

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Speaker 1: Besides, well, hold on. So he wanted. He's all pumped

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Speaker 1: up because this one app offers group rides. And when

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Speaker 1: a group of scooters right there. At like three point thirty,

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Speaker 2: I had to download the other app because he's with

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Speaker 2: the other app.

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Speaker 1: So I download the other Apple, loaded it all up.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. We get outside. There's one scooter. There's one.

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Speaker 1: So I say to Steve, I look at him. I go,

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Speaker 1: I am not gonna be your Jeff Daniels, to your

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey and ride behind you with my arm around

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Speaker 2: And I would admit I that never didn't want that.

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Speaker 1: I can only get one scoot for two. So by

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Speaker 2: By this time, the disappointments palpable, and we give it

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Speaker 1: But still and it never It's still never worked, and

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Speaker 2: a great dinner. We go, we go, We drive out

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Speaker 2: Yes, we might be the only people who have not

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Speaker 2: seen one hundred and fifty Butler basketball teams. Everybody else

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Speaker 2: in that joint was was absolutely quintessential college basketball hometown.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, this is our team, but by Johnny's one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they won in quintessential Saint John's fashion this year too.

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Speaker 2: And Rick Patino, they out the defense won the day

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Speaker 2: it and and the Johnny's outlasted them. Fun night, fun night.

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Speaker 2: But we back home till one am. So I appreciate,

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Speaker 1: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it was a it was a really

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Speaker 2: good night. And uh we've we've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: good stuff on the show today after that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are packed front to back, as we have

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Speaker 1: been all week, thanks in large part to our eminent producer,

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Speaker 1: Jay Harris, who just keep filling time slots left, right,

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Speaker 2: Jay cuts a swath through here like any national talent

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Speaker 1: I will him. I will say this. People don't come

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows him because Jay pesters every single national talent.

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Speaker 1: But he does it in such a loving way.

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Speaker 2: They love him, and so everybody knows him. He's it's

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Speaker 2: Ben hur the movie with Cecil B.

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Speaker 1: De Mill. He is the guy and it's the Cecil P.

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Speaker 2: The Mill sports of sports radio producers, and so here

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Speaker 2: we are and uh yeah, we're full today.

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Speaker 1: It's of course we're horrible human beings because we're looking

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Speaker 2: We are not here ever, walking back and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: hooray for porray for us, for get you, Oh dear god,

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Speaker 2: we are horrible human Yes, we come walking back in

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Speaker 2: what about us?

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Speaker 1: We got to a chopped liver.

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Speaker 2: We got you, Steve, We don't do anything for you,

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Freeland, Steve Palozzolo, and Dane Brugler, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: you can't get us a coffee.

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Speaker 1: So Dane Brugler is coming up first on the show.

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Speaker 1: He's coming your way in about twenty twenty five minutes time.

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Speaker 1: And we always like to pester him about certain prospects

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Speaker 1: where the depth in the class might lie position wise.

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Speaker 1: He knows, so we'll cover all of that stuff because,

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Speaker 1: as you know, he has one of the most comprehensive

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Speaker 1: draft guides that are out there, and it doesn't come

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Speaker 1: out until like April second because as I said, it's

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Speaker 1: about three hundred and sixty pages of prospect informating about it,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's a deep dive on everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's like a couple of hundred guys.

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Speaker 1: He's talking to guys parents, they're middle school coaches. He

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Speaker 1: has an illness, a good illness for us because it

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Speaker 1: benefits our knowledge of the draft class.

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Speaker 2: Hey pick your life's work and do it, and he did.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's It was pretty cool. So we look

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Speaker 1: forward to catching up with Dane. Second hour of the

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Speaker 1: show Steve Paalotzolo, formerly of PFF, currently of the thirty

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Speaker 1: third team, and we'll get his take on this year's

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Speaker 1: draft class. And then our good friend Cynthia Freeland comes

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Speaker 1: by for the final half hour of the show. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk value in the draft, where positional value

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Speaker 1: might lie at the end of Round one, things of that.

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Speaker 2: Sort, scenarios that she could see happening for the Bills

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Speaker 2: and to the Bills, So it'll bear to that conversation

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Speaker 1: We should get to certain Bills notes first here, and

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Speaker 1: as is common this time of year at the NFL combine,

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Speaker 1: prospects when they meet the media are invariably asked, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Top prospects are often interviewed because if you're considering them

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Speaker 1: with a top pick, you want to gather as much

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Speaker 1: information as you can in These twenty minute interviews here

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Speaker 1: at the Combine are among the best ways to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, those three guys Starks, Emun Warri, and

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Speaker 2: for instance, if Umin Warri drops to twenty five, I

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Speaker 1: The Bills big baller be getting on the.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I could see that. Uh, let's go one

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Speaker 1: Big news that broke late last night. Penn State edge

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Speaker 1: rusher Abduel Carter, who many believe could be the top

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Speaker 1: in the draft, has a stress reaction in his foot.

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Speaker 1: It was discovered by the medical exams here at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine, but that has become a developing story. The

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Speaker 1: The plan is for Carter to work out at his

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Speaker 1: small stress reaction. The belief is despite the scare, he

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Speaker 1: should be okay now, So everybody knows, stress reactions are

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Speaker 1: not stress fractures. Stress fractures start as inflammation on a

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Speaker 1: stress reactions are like deep bone bruises. And if something

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Speaker 2: We you should have heard the conversation when we were

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Speaker 2: Fan's got this cure for uh, for Abdual Carter, and

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Speaker 2: it's just to walk barefoot everywhere. Yeah, you got to

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Speaker 1: Man, Hey, you got dude.

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Speaker 2: You should walk barefoot from now until the until training

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a training flaw in his training,

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Speaker 1: It could be any of that.

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Speaker 2: But like I said, it doesn't have to be serious.

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Speaker 2: This is not this is a bump.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to affect his ability to be

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Speaker 1: Game wrecker. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, we this can get put behind even if

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a game wrecker.

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Speaker 2: The guy's just too good. But yeah, for now, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those things though, there's no question

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Speaker 2: have no conversation. They don't care what this problem, his

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Speaker 1: Michigan cornerback Will Johnson, widely viewed as a top cornerback

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Speaker 1: it will review rules for overtime this offseason, potentially implementing

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Speaker 2: I don't know overtime. I get it. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: be decided about who lost or won the coin flip, Right,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing, and that's what they're shooting for. Who

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what happened to the Bills Chiefs game when

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Speaker 2: Nobod he wants those games to end. That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: You want that thing. Let's just keep watching. So whenever

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Speaker 2: to win. That's what it is. When one team loses,

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Speaker 2: that's a different story. But that never seems to happen.

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Speaker 2: I Yeah, overtime is You're never gonna get it perfect

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Speaker 2: tinker with it all you want. We don't see that

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Speaker 2: a ten to ten overtime game. It's always a thirty

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Another interesting item from NFL football obsession with the media.

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Speaker 1: The Hawkeye virtual measurement for line to gain is slated

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Speaker 1: So if you want to measure the spot, that's where

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Speaker 1: as much as I want technology to take over from

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Speaker 1: Bills are the victim in a scenario that enacts change

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Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing, do better I get the spot

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Speaker 2: of the ball, the technology they here's what think about it? Okay,

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Speaker 2: they got one more way and they think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: How are we Here's how I don't know how this

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Speaker 2: How are we going to see that they got it right?

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Speaker 2: What's the technology going to look like? And how will

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Speaker 2: we find out that they yes, gave him a first

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Speaker 2: then saying like there's screen sets and then go first

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do we find out that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: the thing? How do they reveal it that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: I'm not a while this is a change and a

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Speaker 1: which is having humans spotting a ball from thirty yards

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Speaker 1: different spots. The human element remains here. The additional high

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Speaker 1: tech cameras for this system are only going to really

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna help. They can't respot the ball once

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Speaker 1: the humans have spotted it. They're only confirming whether or

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Speaker 1: the humans spotted it. This that doesn't fix the problem.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't fix what happened to the Bills on fourth

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Speaker 1: No, that's the short long one.

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Speaker 2: You need hawkeye because here's the spot the ball you

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Speaker 2: They do respot the ball regularly in games. You don't

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Speaker 1: No, they just move it. They just moved here. They

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Speaker 1: So when we get out to the hash mark, I'll

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Speaker 1: Instead of doing all of that hawkeye technology becomes that.

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Speaker 1: What So here's my question, Brownie, what's changed you? What

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Speaker 1: I just said? You don't have two Jamokes walking out

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna improve it because humans are still spotting

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Speaker 1: the ball. So it's this is this is handing bills,

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Speaker 1: fans and everybody who's tired with humans spotting the ball

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Speaker 1: a ham sandwich when they were supposed to get a

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Speaker 1: honey baked ham for Thanksgiving. You're only giving me a

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Speaker 1: I yes, I am. It's not a fix this.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the rare occasions when they come

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Speaker 1: I am, because it's not a solution. It doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: Don't nobody cares, you know why they're they're probably thinking

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Speaker 2: it'll take less time to do it by hawkeye than

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Speaker 1: With change, you're more efficient, You're more efficient spotting of

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Speaker 1: I'm terrible. This makes this is I'm it's terrible. It's Charles,

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Speaker 2: I can't even think of a word. Disgusted is in

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Speaker 2: the ballparks. It's not good enough, it's not accurate.

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Speaker 1: You're you're giving the false pretense of making it better

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Speaker 2: Here's how I feel about this. It's disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this just crossed after we got on the air.

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Speaker 1: The NFL teams have been informed the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: two million dollars. They were told last week the range

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Speaker 1: to to eighty one and a half. It is now

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Speaker 1: we operate under the low number. Yeah, so he's got

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Speaker 1: he's got almost two million more to work with.

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Speaker 2: Based Does anybody know off the top of their head

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Speaker 2: how big an increase that is from twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's almost ten percent.

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Speaker 2: All right, ten percent? So if you're going.

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Speaker 1: Because we had Mike Nitty on last week and he

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Speaker 1: close to ten percent.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me that in a year, next year

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be over three hundred. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: almost three hundred and ten million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's why I want to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more aggressive, Steve. As I told you, in three years,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be three.

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Speaker 2: Let me, let me just tell you what I want

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Speaker 2: to be. I just want to leave you a little

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Speaker 1: That's almost twenty four million jump, you know from last year.

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Speaker 2: It's ten percent, Yeah, twenty seven. It's twenty eight million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight million dollars on top of the two seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: It goes to three oh seven point two next year

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Speaker 2: if it's a ten percent job. So we'll see, and

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Speaker 2: I know it's all right, Well there you go.

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Speaker 1: I mean it helps a lot of teams. It helps

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Speaker 1: the bills who are trying to become cap compliant, you know,

439
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Speaker 1: a little less hacking and whacking to your roster.

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Speaker 2: It gives him an extra one point eight on top

441
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Speaker 2: of the two seventy seven front.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's a player. Maybe you keep one

443
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Speaker 1: more guy stead of maker my salary cap casual team,

444
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Speaker 1: you know, no question, because there will be some cap casualties.

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Speaker 1: I think that's we're gonna have to.

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Speaker 2: We've got our guests coming on today. We're gonna we're

447
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Speaker 2: gonna run them down. Cynthia Friedlan in particular, and about

448
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, how this is, how do you spend it

449
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Speaker 2: with this draft sitting here like this and where do

450
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Speaker 2: you go?

451
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Speaker 1: And a very unseexy free agent right class, right? I

452
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: mean there are exceptions, but they're few and far between

453
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Speaker 1: this year because a lot of teams are locking up

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Speaker 1: their best players. I mean, look at what Cincinnati's trying

455
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Speaker 1: to do. I don't know how they're gonna do it,

456
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Speaker 1: but they're trying to keep all of their elite guys.

457
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Speaker 1: They ain't gonna get it done.

458
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen. It's not gonna get done.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna lose, not.

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Speaker 1: Unless they throw the other half of their roster overport.

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Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, they lose Trey Hendrickson and t Higgins.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think Jamar Chase very clearly is

463
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Speaker 1: probably already number one. The coach and the GM Tobin

464
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Speaker 1: yesterday or the other day was saying we're gonna make

465
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase the highest paid non quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 1: So he's clearly priority won. And then you'll see what's

467
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Speaker 1: left for the rest of it. Yeah, more than Jefferson

468
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Speaker 1: got his former college teammate. Yeah, so there might be

469
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Speaker 1: a defensive end that's making more than Jefferson, though I'll

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Speaker 1: have to check what. Oh, no, Bosa's not making that much,

471
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Speaker 1: Nick Boson. Yeah, there are guys making some gigantic money

472
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Speaker 1: that are not quarterbacks, and they want to make Chase

473
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Speaker 1: the top banana, right, So that's not gonna leave much

474
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Speaker 1: for Higgins or Hendrickson. So yeah, might be worth it

475
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Speaker 1: to get on the phone. You're interested in acquiring Hendrickson. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: so I think some teams will do that. If they're smart,

477
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Speaker 1: they'll do that back to back seventeen and a half

478
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Speaker 1: sack years. That's nothing to sneeze at, for sure. Do

479
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Speaker 1: you have Are you intrigued by anybody that you've heard

480
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Speaker 1: or seen tweeted about the last couple of days here,

481
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Speaker 1: whether it's arm length for defensive tackles or what some

482
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Speaker 1: of these safeties and corners are saying. I'm anybody catch

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Speaker 1: your eye.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to warm up to the safety class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's a chance that Starks, Emon.

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Speaker 2: Wara or Macuba could be a thirty, could be a thirty,

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Speaker 2: maybe two of them, because three safeties in the first round.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think Macuba's got

489
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Speaker 1: a good chance to be there. I fear that Emon

490
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Speaker 1: Warri is going to blow up the combine testing and

491
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Speaker 1: that's going to a vault him into the top twenty.

492
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Speaker 1: And I think starks is already up there anyway. Stark's

493
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Speaker 1: is going to be gone because he's He's not only

494
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Speaker 1: Starks is not only super versatile, he's super smart, high

495
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Speaker 1: football IQ and he's clean on character like he's he's

496
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Speaker 1: the guy you hope your daughter brings home. Yeah, you

497
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's Malachi Starks. Great guy.

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Speaker 2: So all of that, I'm starting to warm up to

499
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Speaker 2: those guys. I started watching a lot more film and

500
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Speaker 2: highlight reels of these guys and talking to people, so

501
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Speaker 2: that to me has been a little bit of an

502
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Speaker 2: eye opener.

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Speaker 1: And you were asking me yesterday how many safeties have

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Speaker 1: we had drafted in Round one? And I'm not going

505
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Speaker 1: to pretend to know the answer to that. But I mean,

506
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Speaker 1: if you go through draft history, you know, I mean,

507
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Speaker 1: you can find some for sure, and there are examples

508
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Speaker 1: for round one. I mean, we'll try to dive into

509
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Speaker 1: it during the break. I'll try to come up with

510
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Speaker 1: a number at least over the last five years to

511
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Speaker 1: get a recent handle on a trend. But it's been done.

512
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Speaker 1: And look, you can go through the course of history

513
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Speaker 1: and find them. You can find missus like Dante Whitner,

514
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Speaker 1: and you can find hits like Troy Palamolok. So you

515
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Speaker 1: can find you can make the the approach work any

516
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Speaker 1: way you want, because there's enough NFL history to nail

517
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Speaker 1: it down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you this. I found that what we're

519
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Speaker 2: looking for about the highest paid non quarterback. First guy

520
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Speaker 2: that appears on my list is Davante thirty eight million

521
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Speaker 2: cap hit.

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Speaker 1: Oh for cap hit. Yeah, I wonder what salary, and

523
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: then behind is just then Bosa is thirty six million.

524
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Speaker 1: All right, So Bosa is up there, okay, as I thought.

525
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, CD Lambs thirty five, Chris Jones thirty four, gotcha,

526
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Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins thirty Yeah, so it's up in the high thirties.

527
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Speaker 2: For Jamar Chase and what are they going? So, what's

528
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Speaker 2: t higgas gonna stand? Theyre going to listen. I might

529
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Speaker 2: be able to make close to that somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I make thirty please? Yeah? Thirty plus? He

531
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Speaker 1: might go thirty three somewhere else he might yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gotta take a break here. When we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be joined by NFL Draft analyst for the Athletic,

534
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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, the man who authors the three hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty page behemoth known as the Beast Draft Guy. He

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Speaker 1: joins us next year on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: co Lot of Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Back here

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Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live comny Live from the scouting combat

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker joined by the lead

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Speaker 1: NFL draft analyst for the Athletic. It is Dane Brugler

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Speaker 1: joining us, and you know his work every year. That

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Speaker 1: behemoth known as the Beast will be out in due course.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're putting the finishing touches on that thing

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Speaker 1: as everybody waits with eager anticipation. One of the more

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Speaker 1: comprehensive draft guides you can find out there So Dane,

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Speaker 1: let's begin here because the Bills specifically are in a

547
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Speaker 1: situation where they have to refortify their defense both upfront

548
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Speaker 1: and on the back end. We saw the Chiefs successfully

549
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Speaker 1: rebuild their defense in the twenty twenty two draft with

550
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Speaker 1: that Trent McDuffie class. Does this draft class offer enough

551
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Speaker 1: depth at d line and in the secondary for a

552
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Speaker 1: team like the Bills to perhaps accomplish a similar feat here.

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Speaker 3: Defensive line, no doubt, by far, one of the deepest

554
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: positions this year, both on the interior and then on

555
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: the edge. So there will be appealing options I think

556
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: in the first round if they want to go in

557
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: that direction, but they're not going to feel pressured to

558
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: go get that guy in the first round, if maybe

559
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: they want to go with a safety or a receiver

560
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: or in a different direction. So defensive line one of

561
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Speaker 3: the strongest positions this year, I would say, tight end,

562
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Speaker 3: running back, defensive line three deepest positions both early and

563
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Speaker 3: then in Day two and even into Day three.

564
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Speaker 2: And because of the wealth of talent at that position,

565
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Speaker 2: some of the other guys at other positions who are

566
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Speaker 2: top notch, can that help push those guys down? You

567
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Speaker 2: get you get like like the running back from Boise State,

568
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Speaker 2: John Te getting pushed down because you know, everybody needs

569
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Speaker 2: a D lineman and they think, you know, the running

570
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Speaker 2: back has been a little devalued.

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Speaker 1: All of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Those positions you chose, you talked about how much does

573
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Speaker 2: that affect the other top talent at other positions because

574
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Speaker 2: you got to you know, the money positions are what

575
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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: It'll be fair fascinating to see how that plays out

577
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: because you know you're take running back for example, there

578
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Speaker 3: will be teams in the top twenty that are looking

579
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Speaker 3: at ash and genty from Boise State saying, man, what

580
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: he would do to our offense, how he transforms everything.

581
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Speaker 4: But we could get a guy in the third round.

582
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Speaker 3: We had Jordan James from Oregon in the third round,

583
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Speaker 3: and we don't feel like, you know, there's gonna be

584
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Speaker 3: a massive drop off in terms of impact.

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Speaker 4: So let's get our tackle here, let's get our corner here.

586
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Speaker 4: When's that run start?

587
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Speaker 3: So at those positions, especially running back in defensive line,

588
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Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see where the run starts and

589
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Speaker 3: then do teams feel like, Okay, these defensive tackles are going,

590
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Speaker 3: they're going, they're going right let's abandon that plan. Let's

591
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Speaker 3: get our defensive tackle now. Before maybe we were left

592
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Speaker 3: without a chair.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys see when when you start doing it?

594
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Speaker 2: Certainly the elite running backs there is there isn't a

595
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Speaker 2: gulf between the elite running backs and the really really

596
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: good running backs. There's that production is hard to discern.

597
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Speaker 2: What about on the d line? How much of the

598
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Speaker 2: is the drop off when you start getting down into

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Speaker 2: the you know, thirteenth fourteenth, fifteenth defensive tackle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, you know, I think it's important

601
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: to point out how, you know, just like receivers, just

602
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: like corners, there's different types of defensive tackles, right, sure,

603
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: you know you got your nose, you got your one technique.

604
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: Some guys are more they're gonna use the two gap techniques.

605
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: Some guys are more the one gap penetrators. So understanding

606
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: you know who is who, and you know, making sure

607
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: that fits what Buffalo wants. That's a big part of this.

608
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: You know, I think you look at say day two,

609
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: a guy like Alfred Collins from Texas six five and

610
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: a half, three hundred and twenty pounds, Their arms are

611
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: almost thirty five inches. This guy is so disruptive versus

612
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Speaker 3: the run. He sees it so well, powerful at the

613
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Speaker 3: point of attack. He's one of those guys on day

614
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Speaker 3: two where all right, Kenneth Grant from Michigan, he's gone,

615
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Speaker 3: He's not gonna fall to thirty. We're gonna get our

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Speaker 3: safety here or whatever position they going the first.

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Speaker 4: Day two, round two, a guy like Alfred Collins.

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Speaker 3: That's who on targeting and because once you get to

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Speaker 3: round three, round four, yeah, there might be some more

620
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: names there, but the talent does drop off and you're

621
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Speaker 3: getting more of a body than maybe a true impact guy.

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Speaker 1: The Bills like a lot of teams like players with

623
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Speaker 1: position flex. Who are a couple of maybe defensive tackles

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Speaker 1: that offer some position flex maybe between the one and

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Speaker 1: the three. And for that matter, who are some safety

626
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Speaker 1: prospects that offer some similar position flex guys that can

627
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Speaker 1: come down and cover in the slot or maybe even

628
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Speaker 1: be a hybrid linebacker type, you know when you want

629
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Speaker 1: to be in big nickel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Kenneth Grant from Michigan is the one

631
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Speaker 3: that really stands out because he is he looks like

632
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: a nose, and he does execute two gap techniques. He

633
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: can be a boulder in the middle of that line.

634
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Speaker 3: But at the same time you see the quickness and

635
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Speaker 3: I hope he tests here at to combine because he

636
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: is going to blow it up at three hundred and

637
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: forty pounds. His speed, his quickness, and so I mean

638
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: he's still figuring things out as a pass rusher if

639
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: that first move doesn't work. But he has the traits,

640
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: he has the ability, and that's why I think there's

641
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Speaker 3: chance he doesn't make it to the end of the

642
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: first round because he's just such a freaky talent. You

643
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: don't see guys like that very often, but he would

644
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: be that guy in the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: And then it's safety.

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Speaker 3: You know this is it's an interesting safety class and

647
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Speaker 3: two guys in the first round. Malachi Starks he is

648
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Speaker 3: He's mister versatility. Yeah, I mean, no matter what you

649
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: want him to do in the back end, you can

650
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Speaker 3: find it on tape.

651
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Speaker 4: You can see him lining up in the slot.

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Speaker 3: You can see him as a star, you can play

653
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: a free safety role, even played some outside snaps as

654
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: a corner. So whatever you want, you're out of your

655
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: safeties that are on the Georgia tape. You can find

656
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Malachi Starks doing it, and I think that was part

657
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: of you know, because there were there were He.

658
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: Wasn't perfect this year.

659
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: If you're looking for perfect tape on a safety, you're

660
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: not gonna find it in this class. And Malachi Starks

661
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: is included in that. But I think they just wore

662
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: him thin because they did ask him to do so much.

663
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: They put so much onus on him to make plays

664
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: and sometimes at backfire, whether it's coming downhill against a

665
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: run or making plays and coverage and so.

666
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: But he's a good player.

667
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Amun Worry is a much different player than Starks because

668
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: he's gigantic. Yes, and you look at you look at

669
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: nickel packages in the league now because like the Bills,

670
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: they played ninety five percent nickel, but then they ran

671
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: into a problem because teams are pulling guards and running

672
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: them at Teraron Johnson and running them over. And I

673
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: feel like maybe they want to get bigger at that

674
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: in the Nickel package and go big nickel more Eman

675
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: Worry like that guy fills the bill. He's like two

676
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, right, It'll.

677
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Be interesting to see what he is here verified. I mean,

678
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: he's listed six three, two twenty seven. I think he'll

679
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: probably be around there six, two and a half, two

680
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: twenty five something like that. And he's gonna be a

681
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: freak here. I mean, he'll jump over forty inches, the

682
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: broad will be exceptional. His mouths per hour on the

683
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: field it's equivalent to four to three low four fours.

684
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: So the guy is a freak and we'll see it

685
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: here at the combine. He'll create some buzz, no doubt.

686
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: I do question though, can he be a true nickel

687
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: in terms of coverage and what you want your guys

688
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: to do? Man the man he can man up tight ends,

689
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: he can man up running backs. But you put a

690
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: speedy slot in there and ask him to go cover,

691
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: that's where things can get a little bit dicey. So yeah,

692
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: it's a trade off because if you get bigger at

693
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: the nickel position, you are going to sacrifice some of

694
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: the coverage deep and so you have to It's a

695
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: fine line to walk. But even worry, no doubt one

696
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: of the I think he'll come out of this week

697
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: as being one of the winners based on how we test.

698
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've got other safeties like Andrew mccuba

699
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: out of Texas, Lathan Ransom out of Ohio State, Ransom

700
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: to me. Struck me as a really good box player,

701
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: and he saw a lot of that from him, not

702
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: so much in not so much coverage, highlights.

703
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: Speed, downhill, he will see it and hit it. And

704
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: Macooba is really interesting because he transferred. He was at

705
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: Clemson for three years, transfers to Texas and he played

706
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: his best ball this past year.

707
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: Without a doubt he played at high level.

708
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: He's Most teams have thresholds for size at safety, like

709
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: some some teams they look at a safety that's under

710
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds and say, nope, we don't want them,

711
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: We want no part of that. And Macooba is going

712
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: to be right around one ninety probably, so he doesn't

713
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: have that size that you necessarily want. But toughness isn't

714
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: a or isn't an issue for him. He comes downhill,

715
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: he'll hit you. So yeah, mccoobah didn't get a chance

716
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: to see him at the Senior Bowl because he was

717
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: banged up a little bit from the season. He'll be here,

718
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: supposed to expected to test. I like him as as

719
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: a top one hundred day two type of safety.

720
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: Looking at your top one hundred on the athletic you

721
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: have thirteen edge rushers in your top sixty five, but

722
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: just six defensive tackles, So you have a lot more

723
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: edge rushers higher on your board than at DT. Is

724
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: that because you still prioritize edge rusher as a position

725
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: over defensive tackle or do they legitimately have better player

726
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: grades for you? Because that's that's you know, we're hearing

727
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: d line deep deep deep deep deep. But it seems

728
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: like edge rusher has the better quality of talent, at

729
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: least in the top one hundred.

730
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: I think that's so.

731
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to say the better position top fifty,

732
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 3: it's probably edge Okay, better position top one hundred, maybe

733
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: it's probably defensive time.

734
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: Oh it is okay, it's more towards the back half

735
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: of fifteen.

736
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: Because it just and honestly, there were probably six seven

737
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: eight defense tackles that I hated leaving out of the

738
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: top one hundred. There are just so many of these guys,

739
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: and so top one hundred we're gonna see a lot

740
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: of defensive tackles. But because edge rusher is so important

741
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: and not that defensive tackle isn't. If you can find

742
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: an interior disruptor, those guys are gonna go Walter Nolan

743
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: from all miss You know those guys are gonna go

744
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: but edge rusher, and it's a weird class because you

745
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: know Abdul Carter is gonna go early. You know what's

746
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: Jalen Walker from Georgia? What's John Campbell from Alabama? These

747
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: guys off ball players?

748
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Are they?

749
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 3: You know, can you put their hand on the ground?

750
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: Letna be edge players? But if they're looking to upgrade

751
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: an edge position, I think the Bills have plenty of options.

752
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: So let me dovetail that question with this. The Bills

753
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: currently do not have a third round pick. They have

754
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: a pair of twos and a pair of fours. Looking

755
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: at the drop off, as you were touching on a

756
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, you said, when you get to round four,

757
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: there is a drop off with no third round pick.

758
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Might it behoove the Bills to maybe use those two

759
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: fours climb up back into the third because the drop

760
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: off is so stark? Or what do you think about

761
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: that from a value perspective?

762
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think it depends on what position, because if

763
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: you're looking at a defensive tackle, Like I said, there

764
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: were six, seven, eight guys I hated leaving out of

765
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: my top one hundred, which tells me it's going to

766
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: stretch into the fourth.

767
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe it's a wait and see kind of thing.

768
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: Right Exactly, how do the first two rounds play out?

769
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: Okay, especially because those two second rounders, they're not top

770
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: fifty picks, right, so you know they're later in the

771
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: second round. So you're just once you make that pick

772
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: and you go in to day two, who knows how

773
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: those first twenty five picks in round two are going

774
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: to play out. That will affect the decision you make

775
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: late round two. And then yeah, I'm sure it'll be

776
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: tough for Brandon bean in that' sta still in that

777
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: third round and.

778
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: He moves around all the time in the first round.

779
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: Exactly, see the guys come off the board, be patient.

780
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: How do you think the very top of this draft's

781
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: gonna fall? Do you think those three teams like Tennessee, Cleveland,

782
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: the Giants that you think those teams stay put? You know,

783
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: the Giants are in the market for a quarterback. They'll

784
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: probably get a shot at one of them, maybe the

785
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: one they want if there is one. Ten See have

786
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, don't know what they're gonna do. So what

787
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: are your thoughts about how these you know, maybe the

788
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: top hand full of picks go, and with.

789
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: Tennessee, they are obviously a wild card. When you have

790
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 3: a new GM coming in, you know who knows how

791
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: he sees the current stay of the roster, especially the

792
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: quarterback position. I this is just a tough quarterback class,

793
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: especially at the top. I think that if I'm if

794
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: I'm the Titans or I'm the Browns, I'm giving off

795
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: the vibes that we're taking a quarterback. I'm telling everybody

796
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: we're taking a quarterback that way. It's just gonna create

797
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: more opportunities for me at one or two. If I'm

798
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: say the you know, if the Giants obviously need a quarterback,

799
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: But if I feel like the quarterback's going, say cam

800
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: Ward is the guy we want, and I feel like

801
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: he's going one or two, then I'm gonna do whatever

802
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: I need to do to go up to get one.

803
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Titans, I jump at that offer

804
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: move back. So I think we're gonna see some action there,

805
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: especially because I think the Giants are quarterback desperate and

806
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: this is not a draft class. I don't think where

807
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: first quarterbacks gone. All right, we'll just take the second one.

808
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: You like you want to go get your guy, especially

809
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: with you know, the head coach, the front office, like.

810
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: They need to get this right.

811
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, they cannot just say we'll take our plan

812
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: B at quarterback, go get our guy. So I think

813
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: we would be surprised because the Giants move up a

814
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: little bit, and then you know the Browns Titans, two

815
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: teams that I think want to get out of there,

816
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: want to move back.

817
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Last one I've got for you here, Dane. I know

818
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Chavon Revel yep. And who's the other guy with the

819
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: medical at corner. It's Ben Morrison from Notre Dame Hip

820
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: Surgery for him ACL for Revel. How huge is medical

821
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: this week? And how much could their stock be impacted?

822
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: Knowing both of those guys are probably not doing any

823
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: workouts here.

824
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know I talked to Chavon last week.

825
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: I actually talked to his dad too, just to kind of,

826
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 4: you know.

827
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: Get to know him a little bit more and talk

828
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: about a guy that's overcome a lot throughout his career.

829
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: I've got a story coming out in the Athletic here

830
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: this week about the you know you didn't qualify out

831
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: of high school. He had to go he was at

832
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: the JUCO level. He went to a tryout camp at

833
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: East Carolina. It's not like teams were seeking him out.

834
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: He had to go try out because he saw a

835
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: flyer for a prospect camp and to see where he's

836
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: come and had a breakout twenty twenty three season. Alabama's

837
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: calling him, LSU's calling them, Ohio State's calling him. He

838
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: states put at East Carolina has the ACL injury partial

839
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: torm moniscus two. He's not gonna be cleared until the summer,

840
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: and so his medicals here will be huge since there

841
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: won't be any testing before the draft.

842
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: But great, kid, he's overcome a lot. I'm not betting

843
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 4: against him.

844
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: And then with Morrison, how unique is it that you

845
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: have a corner that's twenty one years old who has

846
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: two hip surgeries. You know, he had one in high

847
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: school labrum terear and then at the same thing, and

848
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: so I don't know what to expect him from it.

849
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: That's one of.

850
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: Those cases where this is why teams pay the physicians,

851
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: That's why they have the trainers on payroll. If they say, hey,

852
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: no worries long term, we feel like he's gonna be fine,

853
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: then great, keep them on our board. But if they

854
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: have any concerns at all, then you have to listen

855
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: to that, and.

856
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Like, is the kid going to get through a second

857
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: contractor no doubt.

858
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: That's part of it, and so you have to trust

859
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: your your doctors and what they're telling you. And Josh Simmons,

860
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: a left tackle from Ohio states in that mix here

861
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 3: with the patella, with the knee.

862
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: If not for that, he's a top ten player in

863
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: this class.

864
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, there are a couple prospects this week that

865
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: need really strong feedback when it comes to the medicals

866
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: in order to go as high as their talents.

867
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: Says they should.

868
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Dang, thanks, really appreciate spending some time with us. We'll

869
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: look forward for the beast coming out.

870
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 4: Can't wait.

871
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, like right around early April, Right.

872
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: That's the goal. I have hit a wall and say,

873
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: all right, it's enough.

874
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I can't do anything else. Yeah, I can't tweak it anymore.

875
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 4: Four hundred players is enough, Like.

876
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: The old James Brown, I can't do them an maybe

877
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: one more that's name.

878
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Regular lead draft analysts for the Athletic will take a

879
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: break and be back with more here on One Bill's Live,

880
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: presented by co lout of health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

881
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: All right back here on one. Bill's Live at the

882
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

883
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: A good conversation there with Dane Brugler, and we eagerly

884
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: anticipate the release of his draft guy known as the Beast.

885
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: We're kind of in a little bit of limbo in

886
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: the off season because we haven't reached the free agent market.

887
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: We're prepping for the draft, but that's not for another

888
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: two months. It's it's like you're in like a weird

889
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: backwards TimewARP in terms of getting ready for what's next.

890
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: And now that we know the CAP's going to be

891
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: two seventy nine point two announced today to teams, you

892
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: know it's going up almost twenty four million from last year.

893
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: All right, Now you've got a hard and fast number

894
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: for every team to work with. Presumably many of them

895
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: were operating on a number slightly below that. I just it's,

896
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: like I said the other day, Steve, today's February twenty seventh.

897
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: We're like two weeks away from the market being open, right,

898
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: and we're like twelve days away from people being able

899
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: to talk to prospective free agents in the legal tampering window.

900
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on us in a blink here.

901
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're like a month away, right, five weeks

902
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: away from the draft.

903
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: No, it's more than that.

904
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: Is it's the end of it of April. Yeah, so

905
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: we got about eight weeks. Yeah, and I was thinking too.

906
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: I had been saying some stuff today talking to people.

907
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: I was I made the false assertions you can only

908
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: sign a player to five year deal. No further, that's

909
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: not true. It's I had that wrong. What it is

910
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: you can't trade draft picks so far into the future.

911
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: You can sign a contract, a lifetime contract, trade four picks,

912
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: but you can't trade for picks that are further out

913
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: than a certain number. I think it's five years. I

914
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: had that wrong when we were talking on it.

915
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking with Field Yates on our

916
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: bills by the number of podcasts, which will be out

917
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: later today, so be sure to keep an eye out

918
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: on your social media channels, but for the release of that.

919
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: But you're right, I mean, you're sitting here finally got

920
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: the cap. The compensatory picts are going to get straightened

921
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: out pretty soon. Free agency is going to start and

922
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: I love it too, because the tampering period is going

923
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: to open up on March tenth, tenth, And on March

924
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: tenth at twelve oh one pm when we can start

925
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: doing this, we'll have contracts already agreed to.

926
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing how that works. They carry what's going on?

927
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh, this man, things roll fast here. I

928
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: mean we're sitting here. In almost every team now there

929
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: is a handful of teams we were talking about. The

930
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: Rams don't come out here, the forty nine ers, they

931
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: don't send any coaches or any of their guys out here.

932
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: Some teams do this from Afar. They get all the

933
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: numbers and they just look at it and they do

934
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: their own personal interviews on their own time and their

935
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: own dime. So but this is this is a festival

936
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. Oh yeah, it's unbelievable.

937
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: With the cap being two seventy nine point two, it

938
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: leaves only five teams over the cap as we sit

939
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: here today. They are Atlanta and this is in ascending

940
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: order in terms of a mount over the cap. Atlanta, Seattle, Buffalo, Cleveland,

941
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: and always in the top spot, New Orleans, the New

942
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. So those five teams. The only team's currently

943
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: over the cap. Everybody else is under from the smallest

944
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: amount like the Dallas Cowboys, who are barely a million

945
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: over all the way up to New England, who now

946
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: has approximately one hundred and thirty million dollars to spend,

947
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: and there are rumors out there already that they are

948
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: going to go hard after some of the Philadelphia free agents,

949
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: namely Milton Williams the defensive tackle and Josh Sweat the

950
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: defensive end, two of the main pieces of that Eagles

951
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: defensive front. Yeah.

952
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's face it, if New England spends that money wisely,

953
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: they're going to be a problem right away.

954
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: We have to take a break here because when we

955
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Speaker 1: come back, we're going to be joined by the thirty

956
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: third team, Steve Pellett solo, who's stage left as we speak.

957
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Speaker 1: He joins us next here on One Bill's Live, presented

958
00:47:24,719 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: by Colut of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. This the

959
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: One Bills Lines presented by Calllida. Help all right, here

960
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: we are our number two on a Thursday at the

961
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker and

962
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: joined now by the co host of the check the

963
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: Mic podcast that you find on the thirty third team.

964
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: It's one Steve Pellot's solo joining us. Uh, Steve, thanks

965
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: for the time first of all, and you know we

966
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: know that you guys, you and your partner there, Sam Monson,

967
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: were breaking down some of the fixes for the Bills

968
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: this offseason, which you know, in a vacuum sounds awesome

969
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: and I want it all to happen and get all

970
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: the Ducks lined up as easy as ABC. But as

971
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: we know, that doesn't happen, and this offseason, I know

972
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: Sam's kind of riding the X receiver train, like, hey,

973
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: they got a fix X receiver, they got to finis

974
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: X receiver. But as we were discussing before we came

975
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: on the air, the free Asian class is un especially

976
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: if T Higgins isn't available, and then the draft class

977
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: is nothing to shout about either at receiver this year,

978
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: what is a team to do.

979
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 5: Not have a great X receiver? Maybe you know what

980
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 5: I mean. I don't think it gets solved this offseason.

981
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 5: But look, it's not like the Bills have this awful

982
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 5: offense that you're trying to resolve. We're nitpicking here, right.

983
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 5: Every year it's like, how do you get this over

984
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 5: this last hump? And I always describe offense as having

985
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 5: multiple ways to win, and I think the Bills have

986
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 5: several ways to win and they have improved that ability

987
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: over the last couple of years. It's not just the

988
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 5: Josh Allen show. I know he was MVP, but the

989
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 5: best thing he did this year was to distribute more,

990
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: was to take care of the ball, was to let

991
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 5: the playmakers do a lot of the work. So I

992
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 5: still think they're in very good shape offensively. I think

993
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 5: it's about Keon Coleman maybe developing being able to win

994
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 5: some one on ones a little bit more. But when

995
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 5: you look at how the Bills are able to stress

996
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 5: the defense, everything Josh Allen does stresses the defense, but

997
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 5: then Khalil Shakir Dalton, Kincaid Cook and the other running

998
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: backs out of the backfield, they do a great job

999
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: of scheming those guys up so they already rest. Defense

1000
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: is a time it would just be great if a

1001
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: guy like Coleman can maybe win some more one on

1002
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 5: ones on the other side.

1003
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: To me, though, that and Bills fans were kind of

1004
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: over here and thinking about how the season went. That's

1005
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: that seems like an extra an extra pedal of frosting

1006
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: on a road.

1007
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: You know, you don't really need.

1008
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: What you really need is the other side of the

1009
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 2: ball to hold up there in And we were talking

1010
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: just before came on. This Bill's defense really held its

1011
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: into the bargain up in one way and one way only.

1012
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: They turned out turnovers. They didn't lose the turnover battle

1013
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: in any game this year, and it allowed them to

1014
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: get all the way to the conference championship. Everybody in

1015
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: this in our end of the building, we're looking at

1016
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball and how can the

1017
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: Bills get some game wreckers over there? Free agency, the draft,

1018
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: both we've had people say, don't draft a single offensive player,

1019
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: get you know what I mean the whole thing. What

1020
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on how do you refurbish your complete defense?

1021
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: Like Brownie's been saying all week. The Chiefs did it

1022
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: with that McDuffie draft. They got a bunch of guys.

1023
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: Can the Bills do that this year? So I think

1024
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: it's a good draft to get some defensive lineman. I

1025
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: think it's very deep. I think there's a lot of teams.

1026
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: Look, even if the Eagles didn't win it, and this

1027
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 5: just made it highlight even more. Everybody's like, do what

1028
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: the Eagles do, and it's like they roll eight deep

1029
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 5: on the defensive line, right, and they've always done that,

1030
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 5: but that's been an organizational philosophy for years. But for

1031
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 5: teams that do want to copy that a little bit

1032
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 5: and say, yeah, we want to have seven and eight

1033
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 5: guys that can get after the quarterback and some big

1034
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 5: bodies and some different body types, it's a great draft

1035
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: for that. Right you have your three hundred and forty

1036
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 5: plus pounders, you have your explosive edge rushers, and they're

1037
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 5: not just going to go top fifteen. There'll be some

1038
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: of those guys available in the late first and then

1039
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 5: with the two two's for Buffalo, I think a lot

1040
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 5: of teams should double up in the first two rounds

1041
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 5: on defensive line. So I think it's a great draft

1042
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 5: to be able to do that.

1043
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if the best of the best is

1044
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: off the board by the time the Bills pick at thirty,

1045
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I think there are other positions they can pivot to.

1046
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: I know you and Sam on your pod talked about

1047
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: cornerback value. There maybe even some safety value there. So

1048
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: even if the cupboard is bear in terms of value

1049
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle and edge. There are other ways that

1050
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: the Bills can pivot and still help themselves, right, Like.

1051
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few corners, Like all the best corners

1052
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: in this class got hurt this year. Will Johnson from Michigan,

1053
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 5: Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame, Cheffon Ravel from East Carolina,

1054
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 5: they all got hurt. I think Will Johnson still probably

1055
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 5: goes in the top fifteen. I thought Morrison was a

1056
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 5: top fifteen caliber player. Revel was on his way to

1057
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 5: being a top fifteen player even though he's at a

1058
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: smaller school at East Carolina. And so I think there's

1059
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 5: the teams that need that starting corner or just have

1060
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 5: a cornerback need in the late first I think there's

1061
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 5: great potential value there. So if Buffalo went corner and

1062
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 5: then circle back and grab two defensive linemenutes like there's

1063
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 5: a way to reshape the defense with those first three packs.

1064
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. I don't want to get too

1065
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: deep in the weeds. But when you get up here

1066
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: and when you're talking about first round players, there's one

1067
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: overriding characteristic they all have, and that's physical traits. That's

1068
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: why we're out here watching them jump around and run

1069
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: forties and lift and do all this stuff.

1070
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: Are there guys in this draft that have traits?

1071
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: Maybe not the production, maybe not the the you know,

1072
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: the bowl games and the Senior Bowl. Is there some

1073
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 2: traits out there? Guys who may be higher than that

1074
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: trait wise, but not so much when teams are looking

1075
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: at him.

1076
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 5: So Shamar Stewart is the traits guy here from Texas,

1077
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: A and M. And I'm a both guy. You know,

1078
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: I want production and the athleticism to back it up.

1079
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 5: But I think the production, probably it properly charted, production

1080
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 5: probably holds more weight for me. So Stuart's gonna be

1081
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 5: an interesting guy because he said he Patterson's his game

1082
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 5: after Julius Peppers, and it's like, that's not crazy. You're

1083
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 5: six six to eighty five and you move unbelievably, But

1084
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: he didn't. Julius Pepper was a but he was he

1085
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: was productive and a freak. Right, Chamart might only be

1086
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 5: the freak, but he'll be an interesting player in the

1087
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 5: first round. I think Kenneth Grant and a lot of

1088
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 5: early mark drafts I know had Kenneth Grant go in

1089
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 5: to Buffalo. I think that stops this week after he tests,

1090
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 5: and he might end up being a top for me. Yeah,

1091
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 5: I think he'll be a top fifteen type of player

1092
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: like Jordan Davis a couple of years ago from Georgia.

1093
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 5: So I think those guys they're going to show out.

1094
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 5: As far as the defensive line.

1095
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: I know that when you and Sam were discussing it,

1096
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: you brought up Khalil Mack as a free agent option

1097
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: as an edge rusher ad for the Bills roster. Was

1098
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: that under the assumption that von Miller's going to be

1099
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: a cap casualty and so he's your veteran presence and

1100
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: then maybe you draft one as well. What's your kind

1101
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: of Are you throwing numbers at that position? You know,

1102
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: both in free agency in the draft?

1103
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's again not that the Eagles are

1104
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 5: the only blueprint, but they throw numbers, right. I mean,

1105
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: the Niners did it a couple of years ago in

1106
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. They had one of the best defensive

1107
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 5: lines and then they traded for Randy Gregory and traded

1108
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 5: for Chase Young and all of a sudden, it's like,

1109
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 5: look at all these people here, and it gives you

1110
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: depth and it also gives you the ability in a

1111
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 5: given game to get a guy to just go rush

1112
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 5: the quarterback twenty five times. So I don't know exactly

1113
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 5: what happens with Vaughn, but certainly there were flashes at

1114
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 5: times this year. I don't think the signing has gone

1115
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 5: the way you want. So even if he was back,

1116
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 5: he's probably a fifteen pass rush type of guy.

1117
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: At this point. Khalil Max still looks like a more

1118
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: every down type of players. Also an eight and a

1119
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: half million dollar cap savings if you move them.

1120
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, So yeah, whatever ends up happening there, I think

1121
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 5: you need a body, you need, You need people anyway,

1122
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 5: So I love the idea of a free agent move

1123
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: depending on what kilil max price tag is. And definitely

1124
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: it's a year two get young on the defensive line.

1125
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 5: I think you have to attack them.

1126
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: Nay and the Bills.

1127
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: And I'll put this up here that you know Bills

1128
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: have got three picks inside the top sixty two. You

1129
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 2: know there's sixty second pick, then they got a one

1130
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: O eight. You're a big proponent of doubling up on

1131
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: draft picks, and I'm I kind of like that thought

1132
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: as well. But do you go you know which position.

1133
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: Do you double up on defensive line, right and tackle

1134
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: both count them as kind of the same kind of

1135
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: rotational players or get or do you look for position flexibility.

1136
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: I've seen there's a lot of guys in this draft,

1137
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: the trade guys who at the college level, they can

1138
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 2: go inside, they can go outside. You see them getting

1139
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: moved around because there's so much better than what I

1140
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: call the dental students that they're playing. Yeah, you know,

1141
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: they they got to plug him in around. Don't disparage

1142
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: those those BacT alignment.

1143
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 5: But a guy like Darius Alexander from Toledo, he's probably

1144
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 5: I don't know what he ended up weighing in it,

1145
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 5: but he's probably close to to ninety ish right, they

1146
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 5: play inside and outside. I love those those flexible guys.

1147
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: I think for a double up move though, just the

1148
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 5: defensive line in general. We know there's certain games where

1149
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 5: I think Buffalo feels like it looks they feel light

1150
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: upfront and they could use that that big body knows.

1151
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 5: I feel like that's been one of those every year.

1152
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 5: Somebody would love to see more consistency as far as

1153
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 5: the big three hundred and twenty plus pounder there.

1154
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: So I think there's value there.

1155
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 5: And you can literally never have too many edge rushers,

1156
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: you know, especially if you are going to move them

1157
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: around and create mismatches. So I think the double up

1158
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 5: on the defensive line in this particular draft with three

1159
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 5: picks in the top sixty two does make a lot

1160
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 5: of sense.

1161
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: The last one for me, we see the resurgence of

1162
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: the run game. This past year in the league, teams

1163
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: were leaning on the run game more. I think there

1164
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: were eight teams in total that ran the ball forty

1165
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: eight percent of the time or more. The previous year

1166
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: was three teams, So there is a little bit of

1167
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 1: a resurgence to lean on the run game a bit more.

1168
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: And seven of those eight teams made the playoffs that

1169
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: were forty eight percent runner higher, including the Bills. With

1170
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: that in mind, the defensive answer would seem to be,

1171
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: if they're gonna run this much, we can't sit in

1172
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: nickel traditional nickel all the time. They're gonna run our

1173
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: slot corner over with a pulling guard all day and

1174
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: all night. Is this the is Nick and im and

1175
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: Worri got perfect timing for where the league is going,

1176
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: which could very well be on defense. More big nickel

1177
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to kind of neutralize or answer that.

1178
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: No, it's a great question. I think I think linebackers too.

1179
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 5: You just need you just need that flexibility. Imanarre's gonna

1180
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 5: he's gonna crush it from a from a testing standpoint.

1181
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 5: So I think whether it's a guy that's a safety

1182
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: in name or a guy like Jahad Campbell who's a

1183
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 5: linebacker in name, that skill set, that literal three down

1184
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 5: skill set where you trust him against the run and look,

1185
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 5: I always say, I always say it's linebackers, but let's

1186
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 5: just say second level players generally. Their job is so

1187
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 5: difficult in today's NFL. Right, you have to take on

1188
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 5: that pulling guard, you have to run the scene with

1189
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: a tight end, you have to tackle Lamar Jackson in space.

1190
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 5: The job description is way more difficult than it was

1191
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 5: years ago. And if you have those special types of players,

1192
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: it does. It is a force multiplier type, you know

1193
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 5: for your defense. So Emin Warre at gi Hot, Campbell

1194
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: at linebacker, I think those guys maybe Walker.

1195
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Too, right, like, I mean goes off the ball and

1196
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: we can do everything. Literal hybrid linebacker and edge.

1197
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 5: You know, a skill set that you just very rarely

1198
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 5: see Micah Parsons, you know was was generational.

1199
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: And special, But Jalen Walker has that type of skill.

1200
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: Less one for me, and it doves tail dove tails

1201
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: off the run game and the and the pronouncement of it.

1202
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: You got. We've got James.

1203
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: Cook on the Bills, who it's it's time for him

1204
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: to be addressed, maybe as a as a candidate for

1205
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: an extension, or maybe make him play as last the

1206
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: last year of his deal and let him be a

1207
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: free agent, or let him test the market value. You

1208
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: got Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry really making a case

1209
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: for putting the running backs back at the centerpiece of

1210
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: an offense. Uh, where does that leave a guy like

1211
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: James Cook, who's more versatile than those you get, Well,

1212
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: he's versat like Barkley's. Where does that leave a guy

1213
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: like James Cook.

1214
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: It's a tough balance because the analyst in me is

1215
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 5: still saying, look, the run game's not fully back, not

1216
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 5: to the point where you have to invest in the

1217
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 5: running back like that. Derek Henry was still great in Tennessee,

1218
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 5: but the run blocking was terrible. He just went to

1219
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 5: the best run blocking one of the better run blocking

1220
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 5: situations with the best running quarterback of all time.

1221
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: That's Derek Henry's production.

1222
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley went to one of the best run blocking

1223
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 5: situations in Philadelphia. His specialty is taking it to the house.

1224
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 5: You come to Cook here. I love the ability to

1225
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 5: create big plays. He would have been a legend. Man

1226
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 5: if you guys just pulled that game off against the

1227
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 5: Chiefs with that fourth down run. It was unbelievable. I

1228
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 5: think there's a hybrid to be had, though I don't

1229
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 5: think you're paying him twenty million a year. He probably

1230
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 5: makes more than what Saquon makes, and I think you

1231
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: can make the case that because of his explosiveness for

1232
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 5: the next two or three years, he's extremely valuable. You

1233
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 5: add Josh Allen's running ability in there that accentuates cook

1234
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 5: skill set, so I could see them locking them up.

1235
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 5: But I don't think we get to this point where

1236
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 5: the running back becomes like twenty million dollar a year.

1237
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a different that big difference between an

1238
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: elite guy like James Cook, Derrick Henry, and he put

1239
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: James into the conversation with Barkley and Cook and Henry.

1240
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: Is there enough of a chasm between their production and

1241
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: the guys that are just below that that you can

1242
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: get for a tenth of the price.

1243
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 5: I would lean to say no, But look, I love

1244
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 5: explosive players, right, I think jamiir gives. He adds he

1245
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 5: is a force multiplayer for the Lions because because of

1246
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 5: all the other pieces.

1247
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1248
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 5: So if I would never say build the offense around

1249
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 5: James Cook, but when you have Alan, when you have

1250
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 5: those other guys that are tough, you know, creating after

1251
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 5: the catch, then you add Cook to the mix, you

1252
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 5: can justify it more so. Is he the driver, No,

1253
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 5: but when you have all of those ingredients, then it

1254
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 5: seems to justify it for me. And that is a

1255
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 5: difference between you know, the next running back who isn't

1256
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 5: as explosive and you know can only turn it into

1257
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 5: a five yard gain, when you know James Cook's going

1258
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 5: twenty thirty or four.

1259
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not the driver, but he's riding shotgun. Yeah.

1260
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: Steve PELLOTSONA, thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Thanks

1261
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: for making some time for us. That's Steve Pelottolo from

1262
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: the Check the Mike podcast that you can find on

1263
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: the thirty third team, So check out his work there

1264
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: with Sam Monson. As he thinks that you know, James

1265
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: Cook is a guy that is deserving of a new contract.

1266
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: The price tag will obviously be an interesting one. We're

1267
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: not exactly sure you know where that's gonna fall. He

1268
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: seems to think that he could get Saquon Barkley money

1269
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: at twelve plus a year. Maybe with the increase in

1270
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: the salary cap, that is the case, but I don't know.

1271
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: I kind of think because his workload isn't as heavy

1272
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: as James Cook, that he's not gonna get twelve plus

1273
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: a year. I think he's gonna be somewhere between ten

1274
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: and a half and twelve. And even though he should

1275
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: be talking.

1276
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: About how there we'll talk about how the caps and

1277
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: all of that. I just I just don't think they

1278
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: can tie that kind of cap percentage up in a

1279
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: running back.

1280
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get i'd be in the position, but again,

1281
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm back to again, I'm all the way back to elite,

1282
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: elite difference makers on your team. It's Josh and James

1283
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: on offense and it's nobody on defense. So to me,

1284
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: you gotta keep him in the fold until you can

1285
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: get other guys in the pipeline. Sion Cook to a

1286
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: three year extension, do it at ten and a half

1287
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: to twelve a year. Total value on a three year

1288
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: deal thirty five million, and you give him twenty five

1289
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: of it in the first two years. Now he feels

1290
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: like he's making twelve and a half a year just

1291
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: as much as Saquon. Bing bang, boom, we're done. Say yes, yeah,

1292
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: we'll see. I think that's fair because, as I told you,

1293
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: he had one hundred fewer carries than Saquon. He's not

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01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: carrying the same load. The Bills have Ray Davis. They're

1295
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna resign Ty Johnson. So your third down back

1296
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: has returned. That doesn't mean that James might not see

1297
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: more snaps on third down from time to time. Hell,

1298
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: they might put them both out there. I'm a huge

1299
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: proponent of you don't even have to line up James

1300
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: in the backfield split them out on third down. Yeah,

1301
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: because to me, he is your most dynamic athlete on

1302
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: offense besides Josh. Now, Coleman may have something to say

1303
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: about that as year two, you know rolls on.

1304
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: But we haven't seen enough of it yet. He's they

1305
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: can both be dynamic, but Cook's more productive. Yes, that's

1306
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: just the way it is. So you're you're you're not

1307
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: gonna yeah, you're gonna invest in the guys that are producing.

1308
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: So I get that, and I'll say this too. The

1309
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: thing that and Palozola was right when he was just

1310
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: sitting here. You need a guy that can snap off

1311
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: a sixty five yarder once in a while or threatens to.

1312
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: We can all remember the plays where James Cook turned

1313
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: it on and he just out ran the angle. The

1314
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers game was an enormous one when he

1315
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 2: when he broke that last six forty five yarder off

1316
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,479
Speaker 2: in the snowstorm that broke their back.

1317
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: That was the fifth fastest run in the league this year.

1318
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: He hit twenty two point eight five miles per hour

1319
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: in the snow, in the snow, snow, Yeah, so fifth

1320
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: fastest run by next time this year.

1321
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: It's hard not it's hard not to see the justification

1322
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: for an eight figure contract a year for James Cook.

1323
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: That's a big number and I think you have to

1324
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: do it right now, just because you don't have anybody else.

1325
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to. He had four

1326
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: touchdowns of over forty yards last year, including the sixty

1327
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: five yard against the Niers. He had a forty one

1328
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: yarder against the Lions. He had a forty nine yarder

1329
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins. I think the other one was over

1330
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the forty.

1331
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think you might bring him back, tell him,

1332
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: play him on the playhim on his last year of

1333
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: his deal.

1334
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's let him test the waters.

1335
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Why not? I don't think you

1336
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: can do that. Why not because you don't have another

1337
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: difference maker on the offensive side of the ball besides Josh.

1338
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: See how hard it is for Josh. He'll be next year.

1339
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: He'll be here.

1340
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be here and he won't be happy, but

1341
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: he'll be motivating. He'll be motivating.

1342
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's that's the way to go.

1343
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, guy, he is a back to back

1344
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: pro bowler. I think he's put his time in. Sean

1345
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: spoke glowingly of him.

1346
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: He was on Tuesday. He was not a pro bowler.

1347
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: He was a second. He got in because nobody wants

1348
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: to play in the Pro Bowl one.

1349
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: Dereck Henry didn't go, so he did. I mean, he's

1350
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the next guy after Derrick Henry so who ran for

1351
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: over two thousand yards.

1352
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: I'll love, I'll yeah, I mean, I'll talk to him,

1353
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: but you still got him under contract and I'm telling

1354
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: him the position.

1355
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to justify that.

1356
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: You're talking about three guys and he's one of them,

1357
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: no question, three guys. You can't even put Christian McCaffrey

1358
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: in that conversation, the guy he's making twenty two a year.

1359
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen average annually. Can't.

1360
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: You can't even put him in the conversation with these

1361
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: guys now because he's not producing and he hasn't consistently.

1362
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: For three years. He's so.

1363
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, James has got to be put in that conversation.

1364
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna make more than Saquon.

1365
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either, because that's what the

1366
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: bills are having to work load. The bills are gonna

1367
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: use his comps. I mean, Saquon and one hundred more

1368
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: carries than him. Last year Derek Henry had one hundred

1369
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: more carries than him. Last year Derek Henry made eight million.

1370
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: Now he's thirty years old, so that's different equation. But

1371
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is the same age as James Cook, maybe

1372
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: a year older. One year deal for twelve million, had

1373
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: he had over almost three hundred carries. Last year Cook

1374
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: had one hundred and eighty. Yeah, maybe that's what you do.

1375
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can get him for ten

1376
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: and a half to twelve. You put most of the

1377
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: money up front in the first two years so he

1378
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: knows he's getting it, and the average annual value over

1379
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: the first two years you make it twelve and a half.

1380
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: You give him twenty five million the first two years. Look, James,

1381
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: what's the third year look like? The third year is like, uh,

1382
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: like nine million in bay salary or whatever. And when

1383
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: you get there, you see how he's doing. Maybe attack

1384
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: on one more year, make him happy again. But you

1385
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: put a lot of the money up front in the

1386
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: deal to make him feel happy with the average annual

1387
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: value so he feels like he's at least in the

1388
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: stratosphere of Saquon Barkley. And then I think that's how

1389
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: you make him happy. And you do it on a

1390
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: three year deal, so by the time you get to

1391
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: the end of it, he's still only twenty seven and

1392
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: you're not worried about the drop off three year deal

1393
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: thirty you can have to really talk thirty three million.

1394
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: You've got to sell me harder on the on the

1395
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: benefit of signing a running back to that kind of money.

1396
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: Three years thirty four, because yeah, I don't know. I

1397
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: don't know, because let me see your number one big

1398
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: play threat in the off.

1399
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: You're going to be able to find a running back

1400
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: in this draft that can run fast.

1401
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: It is a strong running back class. Fifth and sixth round, third,

1402
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round Wednesday. Yes, James do want to

1403
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: take James didn't take off as a rookie either though,

1404
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: so let's not forget that. You do. Well, yeah, well

1405
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: you're resetting the Cook is going to be here here

1406
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: one had some nice things, but it wasn't like James.

1407
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: James Cook's going to be here this year. Uh.

1408
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: Whether he's happy or not, it's another thing. But yeah,

1409
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm I think you bring in some competition for Ray J.

1410
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 2: Davis and Ty Johnson in this draft mid rounds. If

1411
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: you really feel like Cook is going to be a

1412
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: hard guy to deal with, if he's really going to

1413
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: push fifteen million a year, then you got to bring

1414
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: somebody in.

1415
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: There's no snow question about it. It's a he is.

1416
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: It's hard to overstate what he meant to the offense

1417
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: this last year because he's such a quiet dude, but

1418
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: his numbers spoke volumes. The guy snapped he was a

1419
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: big play threat all the time, and that's.

1420
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: Their best, big place.

1421
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: That's something this offense needs until Keon Coleman can emerge,

1422
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 2: and until Khalier Shakir can come become more uh dependable

1423
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 2: and the two tight ends become more.

1424
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: Frequent contribute.

1425
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: So I'm yeah, I see it, but it's it's a

1426
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: tough spot. And I don't know how the Bills feel

1427
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: about that, but I'm you're gonna have to sell me

1428
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: on a running back making that count.

1429
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: They're talking to him, I mean being told us on

1430
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: our show here. They have had conversations with him. They

1431
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: talked to him because they like him. They're not yeah,

1432
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: but they're not turning their back on him, saying, well,

1433
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna play it out this year. Of course not.

1434
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: I think they want to try to find an agreement

1435
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: that works for both parties and keep him locked up.

1436
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: They know his value to this offense, and I think

1437
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: they only want to expand his role. We barely saw

1438
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: him on third down last year. I think he's gonna

1439
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: have more of a third down presence this year, which

1440
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: he should and probably should have been the Chiefs game

1441
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: at the end. But all that being said, he falls

1442
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: into the category of what Bean says, draft develop resign.

1443
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: He spent all these last three years developing him into

1444
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: a game breaking, versatile running back, and now you're gonna

1445
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: get somebody else to enjoy the fruits of that labor. No,

1446
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: re sign him for three more years and when he's

1447
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven, then let him go somewhere else, knowing the

1448
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: drop offs probably coming at twenty eight. Yeah, maybe if

1449
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: the numbers are right. Okay, Steve, if you had an

1450
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: alpha male x receiver right now on the roster and

1451
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: you had Dalton kin Ka blowing up for one hundred

1452
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: catches last year, I'd be more receptive to your idea

1453
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: of just let him play out the contract, get a

1454
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: new guy in the draft, and then roll with that guy. Actually,

1455
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: I'd be all for that. We don't have any of that.

1456
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: Get it.

1457
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: Running backs to me? Running backs still not a money position. Yeah,

1458
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: so that's the only that's the only gripe. Bye, and

1459
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: I get it too. Twelve million bucks, that's not a

1460
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: big number. That's what tight ends are making. You know,

1461
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: that's a good that's what you know. Knox is making.

1462
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: For goodness sake, you know. So that's and that's got

1463
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: to be adjusted. That's yeah, that in and of itself

1464
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: will tell you, Yeah, well you know what if Knox

1465
01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: is making that certainly Cooke dessert.

1466
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's kind of the that's the off season

1467
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: issue at play here, maybe more than any other one

1468
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: right now.

1469
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: I think it's it's the most difficult thing to get

1470
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: through the cook concert.

1471
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about contract extensions

1472
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: for the young core of the Bills, you're going to

1473
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: want to tune into our latest episode of our podcast,

1474
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: Bills by the Numbers, which we'll be out later this

1475
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: afternoon on the Bills YouTube channel, as well as any

1476
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: podcast platform that you might use, where we dive headlong

1477
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: into it with ESPN's Field Yates. What makes sense, How

1478
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: many extensions are realistic with their cap constraints, et cetera,

1479
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. You can get all of that

1480
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: information on Bills by the Numbers later today. We do

1481
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: have some breaking news concerning use of the franchise tag.

1482
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are going to put the franchise tag on

1483
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: Pro bowlguard Tray Smith. According to Jordan Schultz of NFL

1484
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: on Fox. They want to work out a long term

1485
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: deal with Trey Smith. This is a placeholder for now

1486
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: that ensures they can talk to him and negotiate with

1487
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: him until the middle of July to get a long

1488
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: term deal accomplished.

1489
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 2: Franchise tag for an offensive lineman is twenty three point

1490
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: four right, that's big.

1491
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: So that's probably the starting point. And let's not forget

1492
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: they're already paying top of the market money for their

1493
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: other guard, Joe Tooney, who moved out to left tackle.

1494
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: And this is an offensive line that still needs to

1495
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: get offensive tackles in a year where the offensive tackle

1496
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: class is horrendous and the free agent classes and anything

1497
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: to write home about either. So the Chiefs have their

1498
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: work cut out for him. But at least from guard

1499
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: to guard, they want to remain one of the best

1500
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: in the league, which with Smith, Humphrey and Tooney they are.

1501
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any debate about that. Speaking of

1502
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: franchise tag values, those are out as well, now that

1503
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: the cap of two seventy nine two has been established,

1504
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: And for quarterback, the franchise tag is forty point two million,

1505
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: running back thirteen point six million, wide receiver twenty three nine,

1506
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: tight end thirteen eight O line. As Steve said, twenty

1507
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: three four defensive tackle twenty five point one million dollars.

1508
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: Defensive end twenty two. Defensive tackle is higher than defensive end.

1509
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: How about that, Well, Aaron Donald maybe mixed in the

1510
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: hidden miney.

1511
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: I think I just realized why linebacker is twenty five

1512
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: point four because they have edge rushers that qualify as

1513
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: linebackers factory into that figure. So that explains that I

1514
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: just answered my own question. Cornerback twenty point one million,

1515
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: safety eighteen point six million, kicker, punter six point three. Man,

1516
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: those numbers are going up, which we expect, you know,

1517
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 1: not only because of the contracts that are being signed,

1518
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: but also because of where the cap is headed. Yep.

1519
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a toughie. Yeah.

1520
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: And I'll say this about about the Cook contract. To me,

1521
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 2: if he'll take less yearly year per average salary, just

1522
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 2: guarantee more of it.

1523
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's why I'm saying you don't have to

1524
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: pay him Barkley money on an average annual value basis.

1525
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: Just guarantee more of it to your point and push

1526
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: it to the front of the contract. So it might

1527
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: only be a three year deal. Worth thirty four million,

1528
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: So he's making just a hair over eleven a year

1529
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: if it comes in the first twenty five in the

1530
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: first two years. So now you're averaging twelve and a

1531
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: half in the first two years. You know you're getting

1532
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: all of that money, right, right, that's how you make

1533
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: it palatable for the guy on your roster. And now

1534
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: he's happy and hopefully he's loaded for bear and we'll

1535
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: see this too.

1536
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: And you get a guy like Cook who's gonna be

1537
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: twenty eight at the end of this contract, and you

1538
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: think about this way. When you get him, he get

1539
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: him into his second year of his contract, so he

1540
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: makes so he makes twelve and a half his first year.

1541
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 2: You get him into the second year of his contract.

1542
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: Is going good, You're loving it, and you want a

1543
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: little cap relief. You give him his money upfront, you

1544
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: put another year on the back of it, and you

1545
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: spread it out a little further and he gets he's like, Josh,

1546
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: can just restructure that and you can give yourself some

1547
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: cap and still.

1548
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: Make one of your core players happy. Break time for

1549
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: us here, But when we return, our final guest of

1550
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: today's edition of One Bill's Live NFL Network Analytics expert

1551
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland, friend of the show, going to join us

1552
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: here for a discussion on Round one value, draft value overall,

1553
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: what the Bills could be looking at. Next here on

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by a lot of health, It's

1555
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown,

1556
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, please to be joined by our good friend

1557
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: here right on the set at the NFL Scouting Combine.

1558
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: NFL network analytics expert Cynthia Freeland, Thanks for giving us

1559
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a time. You're making the rounds here.

1560
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: You're a busy, busy, busy lady. To no one's surprise,

1561
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: I know you've been doing a lot of work on

1562
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. Wanted to kind of happ into that

1563
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: a little bit of including the latest mock where you

1564
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: have mister Kenneth Grant going to the Bills and I

1565
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: think a behemoth of a defensive tackle would be a

1566
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: welcome addition. Is he really gonna slip that far? You think?

1567
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna get there?

1568
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 6: Well, hopefully for the Bills.

1569
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I'll cross my fingers and toes.

1570
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: But you know you're the analytics expert here's hope. You

1571
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: know the history, you know the history of the big

1572
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: guys coming off the board sooner than a lot of

1573
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: other positions, because big guys are hard to find.

1574
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 7: To be fair, this free agency period is maybe the

1575
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 7: weirdest one I've seen in a while.

1576
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 6: I don't know what these quarterbacks are.

1577
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 7: I don't know what's gonna happen with these quarterback needed

1578
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 7: Now if all of those quarterback needy teams kind of

1579
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 7: don't they want to use the draft, I don't know,

1580
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 7: maybe we could see another three, maybe three in the

1581
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 7: first round.

1582
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 6: I don't know, at least two.

1583
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1584
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 7: It's weird class, but you know, so my problem with

1585
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 7: poor Kenneth Grant, well, poor Billsman's I'm hearing rumors that

1586
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 7: he showed up at three point thirty two, not three

1587
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 7: point fifty something, and that he's gonna run a sub five,

1588
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 7: which means he definitely won't be around at thirty and

1589
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 7: he has thirty.

1590
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: Five at shar right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can scratch

1591
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: the bottom of his foot without bending over.

1592
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: So that's a long way of saying it's a nice thought,

1593
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: but the likesly there.

1594
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 6: I did this one before the Super Bowl.

1595
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: That's right.

1596
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 6: But I heard he throwed up there, throwed up, showed up.

1597
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,879
Speaker 2: So everything at the top of the draft, everything centers

1598
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 2: around the quarterback and needy teams and what they think

1599
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: about the guys that are coming out. And my thought is,

1600
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 2: and he said, well, what if they go draft, what

1601
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: if they go free agency? My thought is this, I think,

1602
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: to their credit, the Steelers did it right last year.

1603
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: You bring everybody you can get your hands on in,

1604
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: particularly if you can get them cheap. That's the key.

1605
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: And I so I think all these teams do both.

1606
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: They go draft, they go free agency, they get them

1607
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: their hands on them as much as get as many

1608
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: guys in and let them compete whatever. Aaron Rodgers in

1609
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,879
Speaker 2: the mix, Stafford's in the mix, Sam Donald, Sam Donald,

1610
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: Russ Wilson, Justin Fields.

1611
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, go down the list.

1612
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: Those guys are gonna end up somewhere.

1613
01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

1614
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 1: How's it going to affect the top of this draft?

1615
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 6: It depends on the money like that.

1616
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 7: The interesting part is, I think we're gonna go to

1617
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 7: two eighty for the cap, which is a little higher

1618
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 7: than people thought right around two eighty two eighty one, So.

1619
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: Think quite a bit higher.

1620
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, So that frees up a little bit of space.

1621
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 2: But it doesn't for everybody though, So it's like, eh,

1622
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: we're all there.

1623
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 7: Right, So what is Matthew Stafford's free agency market is

1624
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 7: what seventeen year player vet Like, are you gonna like,

1625
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 7: you know, are you gonna want to pay him something

1626
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 7: like we saw Kirk Cousins last year? Is Sam Darnold

1627
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 7: to go to command that that will dictate? Like, I

1628
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 7: wouldn't mind someone do like if I'm the Giants who've

1629
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 7: had a real problem figuring out quarterback, get everyone, bring

1630
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 7: them all in. But I would also think they need

1631
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 7: to decide between Will Campbell who's the There's really not

1632
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 7: a lot of tackles. This is not a problem for

1633
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 7: Bills fans because right, but yeah, yeah, oh, line is

1634
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 7: a really nice thing, because this is a terrible free

1635
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 7: agent class for O line. This is a terrible draft

1636
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 7: class other than LSU. That guy's good, right, but that's one,

1637
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 7: and you won't get thirty. You would never get him

1638
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 7: even if you needed one.

1639
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me dovetail off the lack of likelihood

1640
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: of seeing somebody like Kenneth Grant at pick thirty. Yep,

1641
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: in your history of kind of yet looking at value

1642
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: at the end of round one? Are there positions that

1643
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: traditionally have offered good return on investment at the end

1644
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: of round one? Are there a couple there? Like that

1645
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: makes sense? I know there's a lot of variables. Every

1646
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: class is different, so I know I'm kind of putting

1647
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: you on the spot with no.

1648
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 7: I think this year, I believe that I actually think

1649
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 7: that the corner from Michigan could be available there will.

1650
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he could. That's possible. That would be

1651
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 6: very value steal. Yes, it's possible. I really like him.

1652
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry.

1653
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but it.

1654
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 7: Depends on like how people are value defensive tackle people

1655
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 7: want to stop the run. Well, the good news for

1656
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 7: the Bills is like you don't need some of the

1657
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,919
Speaker 7: things other people need, so that gives you some freedom

1658
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 7: to be able to pick like you always top by positions.

1659
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 6: You need to count for. You got Josh great, you.

1660
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 7: Got both tackles, which left tackles, I mean, we love

1661
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 7: den but like left tackles the one, but we love

1662
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 7: Spencer two great? And then you know wide receiver corner

1663
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 7: and then your pass rushers number three, and then wide

1664
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 7: receiver corner are four and five four or five and four,

1665
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 7: which however you want to do it, but like you know.

1666
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 6: That's the priority. You're you're in good shape there.

1667
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: So corner has shown good value historically near the bottom

1668
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: of a round.

1669
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 6: One in this class.

1670
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 7: Based on what's available now, I would say in other

1671
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 7: classes you should probably double back for like a wide receiver.

1672
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 6: I don't know if in this class that's gonna be a.

1673
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: Sexy wide receiver. I know that's right. Yeah, so free

1674
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: and she's got to happen.

1675
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: We we got a lot of we've got a lot

1676
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: of verages to cross before we get to anything. But

1677
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: here's the right now. This I don't this is setting stone.

1678
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: The Bills have thirty fifty six and sixty two. Brownie

1679
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: early on was saying, and I agree with him, maybe

1680
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: a double up. You go defensive tackle, defensive end, defensive end,

1681
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: defensive tackle, defensive tackle, defensive tackle. Then the other third guy,

1682
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: whatever he's gonna be, could be a corner, could be

1683
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: a wide out for a.

1684
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: Safety, could be a safety.

1685
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: Uh, how do you feel about I've done it before, Love,

1686
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: They've doubled up on the position.

1687
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 7: I've told Brandon a million times that I think that

1688
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 7: is the one of the smartest strategies you can do.

1689
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 7: Like it is maybe not your first Like, look, you're

1690
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 7: you're picking thirty, so you're basically picking in the second round.

1691
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Like right, it's not right, Like it'd be.

1692
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 7: One thing if you're doing one then thirty three, Like

1693
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 7: that's maybe not the same because the value the trade

1694
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 7: chart is very different there. Yeah, but if you're picking

1695
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 7: thirty and fifty six, I don't care thirty and sixty two, Uh,

1696
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 7: fine by me, Like, yeah, it's not like you're sitting

1697
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 7: there giving up so much equity.

1698
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 6: You're basically picking in the second round.

1699
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: We've talked about this. Last year there were fifteen. This year,

1700
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: we talked to Greg cosell Off. He says, there's ten

1701
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: guys that are first round guys, blue chip chip guys, elite.

1702
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: This year there's a ten, Last year fifteen. There's never

1703
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: thirty two or forty. No, there's less than the first round.

1704
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 2: So you're right, you're picking second round level expectations. Now,

1705
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 2: certainly you can get lucky and the guy might turn

1706
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: into be a game wrecker, but you can't see it.

1707
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 7: So or you know, you get lucky picking a corner

1708
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 7: and like you know, a late round and he turns

1709
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 7: into Christian benfirst. But that was a double up pick

1710
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 7: too because you picked another guy who's not maybe as

1711
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 7: great in that position. I love that especially you have

1712
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 7: coaches you have a vision for what they want on

1713
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 7: both sides of the ball. What you have a quarterback

1714
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 7: who has a vision for what he wants, so.

1715
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 6: You could go to us.

1716
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 7: You could be in a situation where maybe you know

1717
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Speaker 7: who knows right.

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01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 6: You could take two wide receivers. Who cares? This is

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01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 6: a billion picks. You have so many picks, so like

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01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 6: what happens? Okay you cut one? Sorry, oh you can

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01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 6: trade one?

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01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 7: Like okay, okay, Like that's a terrible outcome, just kidding,

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 7: you know, Like these are these are not bad.

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01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 6: These are not bad.

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01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, last one for me because I know

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01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: in general, trading back has better value than trading up.

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there are there are exceptions, but i'm i'm.

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: I've heard from more than one person that the sizeable

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: drop off in talent is from round three to round four.

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01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: Once you get into day three, there is a precipitous

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: drop off there. The Bills have two two's and two fours.

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01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,879
Speaker 1: They're gonna probably have two fives with compensatories and two sixes.

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01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Merit to maybe packaging a couple of the fours or

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01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: a four and a five and getting back into round

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01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: three to maybe get the last of the crop of

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01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: talent that could probably help you sooner rather than later.

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Any merit to that this year move up into round

1738
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: three because we know Brandon goes both ways, you know

1739
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: through his history.

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01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 7: I'm an asterex person there, because the Bills have better scouts.

1741
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 7: Look at how your draft picks have performed. So if

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01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 7: I'm looking at I'm asterixaying that. Because if if you

1743
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 7: see a guy who's a Bill like who care like,

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 7: and you think you can still get him at like

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01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 7: and d Locke is telling you can still get him

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01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 7: at one thirty one.

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01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 6: I ah, don't move up from that. So I guess,

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01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 6: I guess.

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01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: Because of Buffalo's middle round success.

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 7: Yeah like giving like And here's the other thing. This

1751
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 7: class is freaking weird, and we say there's ten that

1752
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 7: are blue chip, but I would argue that in some

1753
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 7: people's perception, there's a lot more of those guys later

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01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 7: that can be contributor not necessarily blue chip, but contributors

1755
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 7: on the field the field year one and those guys

1756
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 7: like the transfer portal is a nightmare nil and the

1757
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 7: transfer portal together has made this total nightmare where all

1758
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 7: of these resumes are really incomplete because this guy's moving here.

1759
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 7: So all we can do is the first this part

1760
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 7: of our playbook. This guy's moving here. Now we can

1761
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 7: do this part of our playboff and it's making very hard.

1762
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 7: It's not to say they can't do it, they just happen.

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01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: It is helpful though in one way.

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01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: You get these guys, particularly the ones that are on

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01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: the field a lot. And we saw that last year

1766
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: when one of the players the Bills picked up from

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01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: the Jets or on Brandon Codrington, Yep, he had his.

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 6: Last name is really hard for me to say cod

1769
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 6: Rington cod Rington.

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: He had he had had one hundred and twenty returns.

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had ten dozen returns in Coon, so you

1772
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: knew that because of means yes. But this nil thing

1773
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 2: is you get a guy chance to see a guy

1774
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: in this culture, this program, this culture, this program, this culture, this.

1775
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: Is used to learning new systems. That's right.

1776
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,959
Speaker 2: Ray Davis played had a thousand yards at three different schools.

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01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: That's the nil was a plus there because you got

1778
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: a guy that he could do it. Sure, but you're right,

1779
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: it's it does limit you in other places.

1780
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 7: Again, places that you guys don't really like. It is

1781
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 7: a nightmare for offensive line, find me a pulling guard.

1782
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 7: Oh it yeah, like like you know, I I don't know.

1783
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 7: Like they just don't have time to teach some of those.

1784
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 6: So you're right.

1785
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 7: For pass rusher, for running back, and for for wide receivers.

1786
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 7: That place right money, absolutely, but that's the easier job

1787
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 7: to learn, right. Try to find safeties that you really

1788
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 7: can say, I feel great about this safety if they

1789
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 7: didn't play at the same place for more than a year.

1790
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 6: Like it's wild man, it's hard.

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01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: Thanks, Cynthia. I appreciate time as always. Always Yeah to

1792
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: see it will catch you up with you as we

1793
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: get closer. You got it, You got an NFL draft

1794
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: and get you on here once again. That's NFL network

1795
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: analytics expert Cynthia Freeland joining us. We'll take a break

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Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, presented by coll Out of Health.

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, one segment to go

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Speaker 1: here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, Chris Brown, Steve

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Tasker with you, and there is some more news courtesy

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Speaker 1: of Cleveland dot Com. Miles Garrett, as you know, has

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01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: asked out of Cleveland. The Browns have said, or at

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: least the GM Andrew Berry just said two days ago,

1803
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: have no intention of trading him. They've clearly approached him

1804
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: in an attempt to sign him to a contract extension,

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01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: and according to the to Cleveland dot Com, Miles Garrett

1806
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: is not open to one thanks but no thanks. So

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01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to find his way out of Cleveland and

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: he's throw up another roadblock in front of the organization.

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01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's becoming that's one step closer towards push coming

1810
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: to shove. It'll be interesting to see if he refuses

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01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: to play that's another step, or refuses to go to

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01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: all organized team activities in the offseason. If it goes

1813
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: all the way, he withholds his services from the Browns

1814
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: forfeits the thirty or eighteen million bucks on the on

1815
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: the of his salary this year. We've got a long

1816
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: way to go, but this is something he's not They're not.

1817
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: Going to buy him back. That's it. I would like

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01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: to think that the Browns are going to have to

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01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: come to a realization as to where things sit before

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01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: they get to the draft, because this is a very

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01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: strong edge rushing class. And if you know you're losing

1822
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: that guy, you don't want to let this draft class

1823
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: slip by without taking a swing at the position to

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01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: replace it. Sure get another one. So I would think

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01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: as hard and as ardently as you were working to

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01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: convince Miles Garrett to stay in Cleveland, he's made up

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: his mind. It doesn't look like you're changing it. You

1828
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: just have to cut bait. At this point, would you

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01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: take and chart a course to finding a way to

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01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: replace You got a team that is sitting there.

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01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: Do the New England Patriots pick up the phone say listen, absolutely,

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01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 2: We've got the money, We've got the number four pick

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01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: of the draft.

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 1: Give us Miles Garrett. Yes. I think in a perfect

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01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: world the Browns would like to send him to the

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01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: other conference. That's why so many people believe Detroit is

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01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: a potential landing spot for him. And then you have

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01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: him and Aiden Hutchinson. His bookends, what what about a

1839
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: team like Carolina? There are the number eight pick of

1840
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: the draft, New Orleans. Although New Orleans is cap. They

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01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: can't make it work because of the cap. Chicago. Chicago

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: has money under the cap. They could work. Yeah, there

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01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: are options.

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01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 2: There will be options, and you'll probably go to San

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: Francisco or Philly. There more will They're well within their

1846
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: range to ask for a first round pick and some more,

1847
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 2: and so if they can get into the top ten,

1848
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 2: they get the pass rusher they need.

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Speaker 1: And that's how it works. So we have another show

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01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: for you tomorrow here from Indianapolis, and we're finishing with

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Speaker 1: an exclamation point. Our good friend, senior producer from NFL Films,

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01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 1: Greg Cosel, will be here. He's been feverishly watching tape,

1853
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: so we're going to ask him about prospects specifically. He's

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01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: been here all tomorrow, so he'll be here. Don't forget

1855
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: if you want to talk contract extensions with the Youth

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01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: of the Bills Roster Bills by the Numbers podcasts out

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: later this afternoon on the YouTube channel and podcast platforms