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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: In his verdict with Ted Crue's weekend Review, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 2: with you, and here are three of the major stories

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Speaker 2: that you may have missed that we talked about this week.

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Speaker 2: First up Center Cruz calling out China on creating a

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Speaker 2: new country in Africa. Why is the media not talking

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Speaker 2: about it? Well, we have the details that you need

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Speaker 2: to know. Also, DC crime is down as Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: commits to making sure that people that live in the

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Speaker 2: District Columbia are actually safe, and the data is truly

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Speaker 2: staggering just how quick the president was able to restore

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Speaker 2: a law and order to a city that been broken

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Speaker 2: for decades. And finally, the auto pen Joe Biden was

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Speaker 2: actually warned by his own Department of Justice that what

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Speaker 2: they were doing was problematic, yet he did it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Why did he not pay attention to the warnings? And

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Speaker 2: maybe it was because he wasn't actually even in charge.

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Speaker 2: We'll have that for you. It's the weekend review and

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Speaker 2: it starts right now. I want to move to this

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Speaker 2: other story, and it's one realistically that probably ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent of this audience doesn't even know about this because

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Speaker 2: no one's covering it. It doesn't mean that it's not

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Speaker 2: an extremely important story.

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Speaker 1: It is you calling out China.

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Speaker 2: It's an epic fight over creating a new country in Africa.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me of that story we were talking about

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Speaker 2: not that long ago, about China creating an island in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the ocean based of nowhere that we

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Speaker 2: helped give them air superiority if there was a massive

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Speaker 2: world event that took place, another World war, it would

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Speaker 2: give them the ability to reach places they currently cannot reach.

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Speaker 2: And now we're hearing that they're looking at creating a

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Speaker 2: new country in Africa. You're trying to bring that to

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Speaker 2: light and also stop it. Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So I am the chairman of the Africa Subcommittee of

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Speaker 3: the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and so I've been sharing

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Speaker 3: a number of hearings, in particular focusing on the growing

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Speaker 3: influence of communist China in Africa. Africa has become a

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Speaker 3: major battleground where China is trying to gain influence, trying

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Speaker 3: to gain power, and do so at the expense of America.

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Speaker 3: And so what this last week I wrote a letter

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Speaker 3: to President Trump urging the President to recognize a new

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Speaker 3: country in Africa. I'm going to read you the letter.

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Speaker 3: Dear President Trump, I write to urge your administration to

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Speaker 3: formally recognize the Republic of Somaliland as an independent state

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Speaker 3: with sovereignty within its nineteen sixty borders. Somaliland first gained

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Speaker 3: independence and international recognition in nineteen sixty before voluntarily uniting

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Speaker 3: with Somalia later that year. Since moving to reclaim its

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Speaker 3: independence in nineteen ninety one, it has functioned as a stable,

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Speaker 3: self governing democratic nation. It has held several peaceful elections

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Speaker 3: since two thousand and three, marked by strong voter turnout

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Speaker 3: and peaceful trendsransitions of power. Somaliland has emerged as a

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Speaker 3: critical security and diplomatic partner for the United States, helping

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Speaker 3: Africa and beyond. It is strategically located on the Gulf

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Speaker 3: of Aiden, putting it near one of the world's busiest

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Speaker 3: maritime corridors. It possesses capable armed forces and contributes to

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Speaker 3: regional counter terrorism and piracy operations. It has enabled the

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Speaker 3: opening of a Taiwanese representative office in the capital of Hargisa,

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Speaker 3: sought to strengthen ties with Israel and voice support for

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Speaker 3: the Abraham Accords. It has proposed hosting a US military

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Speaker 3: and is open to critical minerals agreements that would support

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Speaker 3: our supply chain resilience. The US Somaliland partnership is robust

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Speaker 3: and it is deepening. Somaliland faces mounting pressure from adversaries,

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Speaker 3: doing no small part to its role as a partner

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Speaker 3: for the United States and our allies. The Chinese Communist

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Speaker 3: for its support for Taiwan, as well as to undermine

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Speaker 3: that support. The Government of Somalia has played an unfortunate

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Speaker 3: role in these efforts. In April twenty twenty five, the

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Speaker 3: CCP arranged for Somalia to bar Taiwanese passport holders from

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Speaker 3: transiting into Somaliland, and Chinese support to Somalia is benefiting

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Speaker 3: anti Somaliland groups working to erode its sovereignty. Despite these threats,

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Speaker 3: Somaliland remains committed to forging closer ties with the US

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Speaker 3: It requires the status of a state. I urge you

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Speaker 3: to grant it that recognition. This is obviously significant. What

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm optimistic.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a real chance the President will recognize Somaliland.

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Speaker 4: As I said, they've been an ally to us. They've

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Speaker 3: This is a Muslim country and in a very dangerous

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Speaker 3: embracing Israel and the Abraham Accords. I think Somaliland would

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Speaker 3: is in America's national security interest. I believe to recognize Somaliland,

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Speaker 3: is this week China put out a public release blasting

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Speaker 3: me absolutely furious uh that that I made this public

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Speaker 3: call to recognize Somaliland, and and and here's what China

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Speaker 3: senator in a letter boasting of so called US recognition

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Speaker 3: of Somaliland region launched baseless attacks against China and China

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Speaker 3: Somalia relations. The Chinese Embassy in Somalia firmly opposes this misconduct.

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Speaker 3: This coursive letter constitutes serious interference in the internal affairs

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Speaker 3: of Somalia and further exposes the hegemonic and bully attitude

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Speaker 3: of certain US politicians to the Somali people. Respect for

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Speaker 3: sovereignty and territorial integrity and non interference in each other's

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Speaker 3: China never interferes in other countries' internal affairs and absolutely

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Speaker 3: does not accept meddling in its own internal affairs by

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Speaker 3: any countries. Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory.

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Speaker 3: This is history and this is reality. China firmly opposes

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Speaker 3: taiwan independent separatism and external interference, and possesses the legitimate

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Speaker 3: The fact that China is freaking out, the fact that

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Speaker 3: that I was exactly right, and as yet another argument

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Speaker 3: why President Trump should should recognize Somali Land as an

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Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,

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Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast

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Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. You

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Speaker 2: talk about the president having leverage. Let's move to Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. And everyone that said the president was like

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Speaker 2: being a dictator and a tyrant by sitting in the

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Speaker 2: National Guard actually trying to fight crime. They said, this

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Speaker 1: That was the narrative.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what they got it wrong again, DC crime

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Speaker 2: since the announcement of the Federal control versus the seven

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Speaker 2: day prior to that, you have that data now Center. Please,

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Speaker 2: for everyone that's listening, go through every category of a shock.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I say that sarcastically more law enforcement on the street,

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Speaker 2: law and order. What happens less crime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out when you arrest criminals, you get

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Speaker 3: less crime.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's a shocking outcome. It's one Democrats don't understand and

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Speaker 3: the media doesn't understand. But everyone whose head is not

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Speaker 4: Here is a.

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Speaker 3: Tweet from the DC Police Union. DC crime since the

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Speaker 3: announcement of federal control versus the seven days prior, robbery

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Speaker 3: theft down twenty one percent, violent crime down twenty two percent,

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Speaker 3: property crime down six percent, and all crimes down eight percent.

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Speaker 3: That is in one week, in seven days. And if

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Speaker 3: you hear a wailing in the distance, that is the

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Speaker 3: collective wail of pain and unhappiness of Democrats in the media.

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Speaker 3: Because understood, this is not hyperbole. They are rooting for

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Speaker 3: the criminals. They do not want crime to go down,

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Speaker 3: because if crime goes down, it vindicates President Trump exercising

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Speaker 3: his constitutional authority to concerning d C and exercising his

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Speaker 3: The Democrats do not want that no.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 2: And there's also another aspect of this story, and that

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Speaker 2: is we now have the Justice Department that's investigating whether Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC police manipulated their crime data. Remember I was shoot

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Speaker 2: I was on scene in a week and a half,

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Speaker 2: two weeks ago, and they're like, your staff are wrong.

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Speaker 2: Crime is way down. The President doesn't need to do this.

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Speaker 2: Everything's moving in the right direction. Well, it may have

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Speaker 2: from last year when it was really, really, really bad,

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Speaker 2: now it's not as bad. And apparently they may manipulated

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Speaker 3: Yet Look, I can tell you from someone who works

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Speaker 3: has gotten much worse. We've seen rand Paul had a

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Speaker 3: This is not two in the morning in a rough neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: This is in a major metropolitan street. We had, you know,

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Speaker 3: As someone who works there. You know, it used to

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Speaker 3: I would as you know, I love movies. We've done

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Speaker 3: a couple of podcasts where we talk about movies. When

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Speaker 3: there was a night that I was done, Let's say

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Speaker 3: There's a movie theater about five blocks from my house.

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Speaker 3: I used to routinely walk up to the movie theater

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Speaker 4: I don't do that now. I mean, frankly, at nine.

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Speaker 2: O'clock at night, I know it's movie theater talking about Yeah,

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Speaker 2: no way you do that now at.

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Speaker 3: Nine o'clock at night, you don't walk five blocks in

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Speaker 3: tough guy. He's he's he's been in some some some

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Speaker 4: You you bet him.

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Speaker 3: And and uh he was walking back to the Capitol

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Speaker 3: at ten pm and he had two guys, two teenagers,

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Speaker 3: jump him and try to rob him. Now, now, Mark's

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Speaker 3: And and you know, it's been interesting.

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Speaker 1: The reporters that are chairman what he said about it.

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Speaker 3: Then the Democrats have a massive challenge. And I want

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Speaker 6: President Trump's efforts to make DC safe again are working.

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Speaker 6: There have been a total of four hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: By the way, this goes back to the narrative. When

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Speaker 1: Yet you're the crime sat there.

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Speaker 1: And I said it, then I'll say it again.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how much the left and the media hates

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Speaker 3: that a career prosecutor warned Biden's inner circle that the

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Speaker 3: administration's pardon process was unorthodox and legally troubling. In the

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Speaker 3: wrote a group email to several Executive Office staff members

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Speaker 3: on January eighteenth, asking questions about the more than two

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Speaker 3: thy five hundred pardons.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 3: The White House has described those who received commutations as

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Speaker 3: people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses. I think you should

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Speaker 3: stop saying that because it is untre true or at

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Speaker 3: least misleading. That's what DOJ said to the Biden White House.

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Speaker 3: Mind you, they didn't stop it. They continued to be

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Speaker 3: untrue and misleading. He continued. Quote, as you know, even

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Speaker 3: with the exceedingly limited review we were permitted to do,

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Speaker 3: of the individuals we believed you might be considering for

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Speaker 3: commutation action, we initially identified nineteen that were highly problematic,

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Speaker 3: he continued. He cited convicts Terence Richardson and Faron Clayborne,

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Speaker 3: who were included in the clemency grants, and noted that

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Speaker 3: the DOJ received voluminous objections from the victims, families and

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Speaker 3: law enforcement as the men had been sentenced to life

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Speaker 3: imprisonment for drug trafficking offenses during which a police officer

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Speaker 3: was killed. Mind you, this is what the Biden White

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Speaker 3: House said was a non violent offense drug trafficking where

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Speaker 3: a police officer was killed. And beyond that, according to

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Speaker 3: Oversight Project Vice president Kyle Brosnan, shows that DOJ was

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Speaker 3: concerned about the quote vague construct of Biden's pardons and

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Speaker 3: how they appeared to be quote illegally delegated to staff.

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Speaker 3: That left the DOJ wondering at times which offenses for

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Speaker 3: people with multiple convictions were specifically being expunged. Later in

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Speaker 3: the email, he was like, quote look, I read the

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Speaker 3: statement you put out in the President's name saying you've

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Speaker 3: released a bunch of nonviolent drug offenders. You've got murderers

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Speaker 3: on your list today. So I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: what the president wants here for this funky warrant.

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Speaker 2: That is incredible, isn't it. I mean funky warrant and

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Speaker 2: that's coming again. From his own DOJ saying we don't

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Speaker 2: know what he wants, we don't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the Biden DOJ.

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Speaker 3: Weinsheimer continued, quote, I think it is best that we

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Speaker 3: receive a statement or direction from the President as to

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Speaker 3: the meaning of the warrant language that will allow us

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Speaker 3: to give full effect to the commutation warrant in the

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Speaker 3: manner intended by the president. And there was ultimate no

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Speaker 3: explanation for what the offenses or the proverbial descriptions were,

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Speaker 3: according to the document tronch, and instead there was simply

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Speaker 3: a spreadsheet of convicts attached to one of the emails

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Speaker 3: that came from the US Sentencing Commission. But only the

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Speaker 3: president has the power to grant pardons, not the Sentencing Commission.

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Speaker 3: Treating it otherwise would be an illegal delegation of presidential authority.

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Speaker 2: When you look at this, what does this mean moving

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Speaker 2: forward for the investigation into the president's use the autopen

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Speaker 2: and many things he may have signed that he didn't

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Speaker 2: know about. Right, this was just anybody at the White

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Speaker 2: House pretty much that had any type of power can

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Speaker 2: just walk in there and get things done.

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Speaker 1: And what does this mean?

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Speaker 2: For all of the they claimed non violent offenders that

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Speaker 2: they were pardoning.

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Speaker 1: We've also found out a bunch of them that was

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Speaker 1: very violent. It was a lie.

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Speaker 3: It was a lie. They knew it was a lie.

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Speaker 3: Their own Department of Justice told them it was a lie.

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Speaker 3: Didn't care it was a lie. They continued lying to

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Speaker 3: the American people. They knew that the New York Times

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Speaker 3: would never call them out. They knew that the corrupt

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Speaker 3: media would never call them out, so they could lie

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Speaker 3: and lie and lie and know that nobody would know

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Speaker 3: about it. And as a legal matter, the Brasnan from

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Speaker 3: the Oversight Project said, quote Biden did not pardon individual people,

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Speaker 3: but laid out categories of types of people to release

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Speaker 3: that criteria. Attorney Sam Dewey told Fox News Digital that quote, literally,

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Speaker 3: no one, including DOJ officials, understands what the aforementioned pardon

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Speaker 3: criteria are. And he continued, quote, you generally don't see

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Speaker 3: people write emails like this. This isn't a cya. This

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Speaker 3: is I'm going to do a ponscious pilot routine because

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Speaker 3: this is a drug deal and I want to make

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Speaker 3: sure it doesn't come back on me. And the consequence

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Speaker 3: of that it is that the pardon, if they were

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Speaker 3: not authorized by the President of the United States, they

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Speaker 3: are invalid. And so what I have verged the White

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Speaker 3: House to do, what I've verged the Department of Justice

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Speaker 3: to do, is to go through the records of everything

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Speaker 3: that was autopenned and determine there may be some The

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Speaker 3: President does have the authority to direct someone to autopen

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Speaker 3: something that he's signing, whether a law or an executive

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Speaker 3: order or a pardon, and if it's the president who's

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Speaker 3: making the decision, the prevailing the Department of Justice interpretation

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Speaker 3: is that is legal in binding. But if the President

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Speaker 3: didn't make the decision, if it's a staffer who's making

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Speaker 3: the decision, then it has no binding force. And so

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Speaker 3: what I've encouraged both the White House and Department of

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Speaker 3: Justice is to find those pardons, those executive orders, those

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Speaker 3: statutes that were autopen for which there is a clear

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Speaker 3: lack of evidence that Joe Biden had awareness of it,

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Speaker 3: made a decision about it, and then formulate and carry

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Speaker 3: out a legal strategy to challenge and end up concluding

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Speaker 3: that those statutes, executive order pardons and commutations are invalid.

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Speaker 3: I think the possibility of a legal determination of that

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Speaker 3: is rising significantly. And the fact that you had senior

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Speaker 3: career DOJ officials in the Biden administration ringing the alarm

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Speaker 3: bells and saying you're lying to the American people and

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Speaker 3: what you're doing is lawless, that is yet another stunning

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Speaker 3: revelation that has come out this week.

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