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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think of the pulp er gene

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Speaker 1: believers to pray that artificial intelligence and robots always serve mankind?

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Speaker 1: What is he hinting at, Peter, Well, the big problem

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Speaker 1: is we have many people who have never studied the subject,

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Speaker 1: they've never worked in the subject. They look at it

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Speaker 1: from the outside with the zero understanding, and then they

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Speaker 1: coin the word pontificate about it, rightly or wrongly. I'm

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Speaker 1: not declining that people should have an opinion on the subject,

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Speaker 1: but the reality is all technology is absolutely and absolutely benign.

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Speaker 1: It is never technology. It's the problem. We've never invented

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Speaker 1: anything that's been on its own powerful to the human race.

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Speaker 1: It's when people get their hands on it that's the difficulties,

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Speaker 1: what people will do with it. And so I can't

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Speaker 1: think of a technology that's been invented that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: weaponized in some way or other. And so those are

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Speaker 1: the concerns. So if we if we invent a technology

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Speaker 1: like AI and robotics and then give it a gun

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Speaker 1: and teach you to kill people, that's not the fault

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Speaker 1: of the technology problem. So I always look at these

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Speaker 1: things in terms of what's the upside of the technology

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Speaker 1: and what is the downside. So the reality is the

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Speaker 1: AI is saving lives every day. It's providing us with

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Speaker 1: food and clothing. It is helping us create what we

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Speaker 1: now call industry four point zero, which is the first

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Speaker 1: attempt to feel like by our species, to create some

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Speaker 1: kind of symbiotic relationship with the planet, a sustainable society.

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Speaker 1: And without it, we will not be able to create

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Speaker 1: the materials and the medicines, the drugs and things of

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Speaker 1: we've reached we've reached a tipping point if you wish,

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Speaker 1: that we've done this successively through every industrial revolution. It

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Speaker 1: is now starting to dawn on people and it's been

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Speaker 1: blindingly obvious for a long time that we live on

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Speaker 1: a planet that is finite and we have an infinite

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Speaker 1: appetite for consumption, and the two don't go together. And Peter,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the title of your new book, AI

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Speaker 1: and policing. What's the policing part of that. Well, what

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Speaker 1: we've done myself and co editors have brought together a

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Speaker 1: series of chapters that have a look at the whole

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Speaker 1: problem of law and order. So I suspect you have

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Speaker 1: definitely got this problem in the US. But in the

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Speaker 1: UK we have the barristers. These these are the people

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Speaker 1: that tech cases to court. They're like lawyers here, all right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're absolutely overwhelmed by the caseload. And what I mean

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Speaker 1: is if they don't stop work and they keep going

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Speaker 1: cases that depending for over a year because nobody can

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Speaker 1: fast enough. And so AI has that ability to actually

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Speaker 1: read all of this stuff. And it's been demonstrated and

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Speaker 1: it worked very well, and it's actually been adopted in

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Speaker 1: the US of course first, but the UK is now

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty years, and I've seen this trend.

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Speaker 1: this would be something like say a buying triple seven.

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Speaker 1: Nobody understands how that beast works. No one person can

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Speaker 1: if we're not careful, we get the rather silly situations.

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Speaker 1: Managers make decisions based on partial information or ignorance. They're

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Speaker 1: driven by whatever mechanisms you wish to think of, and

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Speaker 1: because they are managing multidisciplinary teams on projects that's a

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Speaker 1: So this is not a new story, by the way,

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Speaker 1: It's happened cycle after cycle cycle. It's just getting faster.

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Speaker 1: What is fueled it, though, Peter, What is really pushing

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Speaker 1: this artificial intelligence to do these remarkable things, many of

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about tonight. We have a desperate need.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have all of a sudden billion people

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Speaker 1: not by accident that globalization has happened. It's occurred because

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