1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: It is Friday, July thirty first, and a demand for 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: money is being made in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. But 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: it's not coming from a kidnapper. And with that, welcome 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and TJ. I don't know 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: how I felt about this. Do what you gotta do, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: and it's fine. I don't know why this. It felt icky, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: but I get it if he feels like he's been 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: wrong Robes, but a wrong arrest is worth a couple 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: million dollars. 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: Apparently, I actually know exactly how I feel about this. 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 3: I think it is disgusting. 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to give him some space for what he 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: went through, Babe. I just I don't know. It just 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: feels icky. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 4: Ah, this is tough. 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: So and look this all falls this news, this headline 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: comes to us. I feel like on a just on 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: an ominous day. Perhaps it is exactly on July thirty first, today, 20 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: six months to the day where Nancy Guthrie was last 21 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: seen alive January thirty first, when her son in law 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: drop her off at her home. 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 4: She has never been seen since. 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: And yes, we are now getting word that Carlos Palazuelos 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: and you know his base because we know you've been 26 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: following this case. He was the man who was briefly 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: detained in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, and he was taken and 28 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: questioned for he said he was held for seven to 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: eight hours and he was released without charges. Well, because 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: of that, he wants Pima County and he assuming the 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Pima County Sheriff's Department, Sheriff Chris Nanos and Detective Earl 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: Garon for two point five million dollars. 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: And folk this was broke. 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 4: His ordeal. 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: Was maybe one of the biggest, biggest developments in the case. 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: Turned out not to be anything but Rome's when we 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: started getting words somebody was detained and they were at 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: his house, and Romes thought this was it, and what 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: was the weird connection to like a he was a drive. 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: He was a door ass driver. Okay, so Robes like, 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: my goodness, this is it. And then the next thing 42 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: we know, we see him doing an impromptu press conference 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: pitched black at night with cameras on the front porch. 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: Like so that's my point. 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 3: The police never I don't recall the police identifying him, 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: and I certainly know the police did not call him 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: a person of interest. They did not say he was 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: under arrest or suspicion. They were just questioning someone in 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: their investigation. He is the one who went out in 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: front of cameras, sat on that porch and described in 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: detail what happened. And here's the deal. It's not just 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: Carlos asking for two point five million dollars. He also 53 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: filed on behalf and this is where it gets really 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: stinky to me. He also filed on behalf of two 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: of his family members. Daniel Maddox claims he was cuffed 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: and held under armed guard outside the family home and 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: for that experience he would like five hundred thousand dollars. 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: Josephina Maddox, who owns the home, is saying the deputies 59 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: did serious damage to her property while they execute did 60 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: a search warrant, and she would like two hundred and 61 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. So in total, this family says they 62 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: would like three point twenty five million dollars from Pima County. 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Where do you. 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: Leave space for that experience, for their experience, how they 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: were treated and were some rights in some way violated. 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: I God, baby, this feels so when I are the 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: parts about the family members. 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: That's where I really they wrecked that house really worth 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: that's really hard for me to believe, maybe very difficult 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: for me to be. 71 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: And the brother was detained, He was. 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 4: Cuffed in his home, he claims, and the armed guard 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: part and for his police officer. 74 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: That's what they But they say armed guard? 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: Did they say armed guard aka a police officer who 76 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: has a holst gun watching. 77 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: You while they try to figure out if you're connected 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: to the biggest crime of the year. 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, Robes. 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: I know they have plenty of leeway in you can 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: be detained without actually being arrested. And what why are 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 2: we trying to break this down? I don't rose this. 83 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: It feels wrong. It feels like a grab. 84 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: It also feels wrong given the fact that that you've 85 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: got a family still grieving and publicly pleading for information 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: and they're trying to take funds away from the very 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: agency that is trying to find Nancy Guthrie. Just the timing, 88 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: even it's just we it just feels awful. 89 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a way to just say, you 90 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: know what, that they you know what, they have every 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: right to? 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: How about that have every right to. 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: They have every right to and then folks have every 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: right to feel the way they feel about it. So 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: that's where we stand on that. But there were also 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: some big developments that unfortunately haven't really given any answers. 97 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: And the big biggest development is that DNA results are 98 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: back on that hair sample from Nancy Guthrie's home. So 99 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: much was made about this hair sample. I believe it 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: was entwined with another piece of hair and they were 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: having to delicately try to untangle the hair to try 102 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: and determine whose hair it could be because they did 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: know it was from a male and not a member 104 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: of the Guthrie family or a known friend who had 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: been over at the house. Sheriff Nanos said this, the 106 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: hair was done and there was nothing, and is it. 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: We've been waiting months and months and months and months 108 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: for results of some kind. 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: Roll this was. 110 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: This was a blow, unfortunately. But what's left, like, what 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: else is there to wait on, at least from a 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: lab versus waiting for a phone call in the right break? 113 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: Togay, Yes, so there is only one known piece of 114 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: biological evidence left. It is a mixed sample of DNA 115 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: that they were able to get out of Nancy Guthrie's 116 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: home and Sheriff nanos this is crazy, has just revealed 117 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: that it is a mix. This DNA mix is of 118 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: as many as four people. Who's trying to explain why 119 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: it's so complicated. He actually said, it's unclear that there 120 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 3: is even technology, current technology to untangle the four people's 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: mixed DNA in this sample. And he said, look, I 122 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: think his quote was, oh, we have some of the 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: brightest minds in the nation, if not the world, working 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: on this. He listed the FBI lab in Quantico. There 125 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: are labs in Kansas, Florida, California, and Arizona, all working 126 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: to try and untangle again with that same word, this 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: DNA sample that they got from her home. But literally, 128 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: that is the last piece of physical biological evidence that 129 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: they still have to test. 130 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: And after that, there's not thing. 131 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: There has I mean, I don't know the closest. Rather, 132 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of other investigative updates. Right they 133 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: were saying that there was a group that was looking 134 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: in a location because they got a tip that turned 135 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: out to be nothing. That just hasn't been a significant 136 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: update that makes you think something upbreak is coming. And 137 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: they're listening to the sheriff, Nan Alos. We haven't had 138 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: significant updates from him. This is significant and it's significantly 139 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: bad news. 140 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now this is where they are six 141 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: months to the day. There are no leads. Obviously they 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: have no idea where she may be. And also of 143 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: note that one point two million dollars, it's it's in 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: some ascro somewhere, it is fully there. No one has 145 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: claimed that one point two million dollars. That seems remarkable. 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: A lot of folks have been already trying to figure 147 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: out does that mean that there was just one person involved, 148 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: because you've got to think if there were multiple people involved, 149 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: either that's the tightest circle I've ever seen, or enough 150 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: people feel like they would be so implicated or face 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: criminal charges that any amount of money wouldn't be worth 152 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: speaking up or speaking out. But again, this can all 153 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 3: be done anonymously. I know people don't trust the system, 154 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: but I do think it's remarkable. We know obviously at 155 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: least one person knows what happened, but you gotta think 156 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: that person had help. It would maybe not, Maybe they 157 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: acted solo. Maybe they acted alone, and maybe they're the 158 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: only ones who know. And obviously they're not going to 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: give up any information in exchange for money, for fear 160 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: of being arrested. This is obviously one of the biggest 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: stories in recent years, and so I think this person 162 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: knows they would be in serious lifelong trouble. 163 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean brokes the. 164 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: Money part, and we just we were all suggesting are 165 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: A lot of people were suggesting that that Savannahuther had 166 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: given a clue as to maybe money had been paid 167 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: to someone right with her most recent video. But like 168 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: you said, there's no indication that any money has gone 169 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: to anybody. 170 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Ropes. So we sit and we wait and wait for 171 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: a break. 172 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: You say, somebody always tells somebody, and then it's just 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: you can't keep a secret like this big for that long. 174 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: But Ropes, there are mysteries that have gone unsolved forever, 175 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: and I'm just not used to living through one. 176 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: We're just not. 177 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, there have only been a few. I think of 178 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: Madeline McCann. I think of Jean Bonney Ramsey. Even though 179 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: they did find a John Beny of Ramsey's body, they 180 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: still don't know who's responsible for her sexual assault and 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: her death. There are a few of them, but they 182 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: are rare, and living through one like this with a 183 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: colleague and a friend who we have known and loved 184 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: and feel for her every day as she goes to work, 185 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: and every now and then gives updates on the Today 186 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: Show and says that she cries every day to work, 187 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 3: cries every day going back home. This is something she 188 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: has to live with in excruciating pain each and every day. 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: So to have it be personal and to have it 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: be happening in real time is just exceptional to witness. 191 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: But when we come back, we're going to talk about 192 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: that new and some would say perhaps cryptic message that 193 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: Savannah Guthrie released this week. 194 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: It was her first video post since April. 195 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: And and and welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. 196 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: We are talking about some of the headlines surrounding Nancy Guthrie, 197 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: none of the ones we wanted to see or hear, 198 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: this being the six month anniversary today of the last 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: day she was seen alive. And yes, we're hearing about 200 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: a lawsuit from the man who was questioned for several hours. 201 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: We're hearing about the fact that the hair that everyone 202 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: had so much hope would lead directly to the subs. Yeah, 203 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: it turned up nothing. And now there's one last bit 204 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: of forensic evidence that possibly could shed some light, but 205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: it certainly didn't sound like anyone was that hopeful that 206 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: that would yield any results. But we did get this 207 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: video message from Savannah this week, and Babe, what did 208 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: you think about it when you heard it? 209 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Oh, that she paid and that the family had paid 210 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: and we are waiting for word. That seemed like a 211 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: direct like she could have texted that message to the kidnapper. 212 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: She would have like that seemed like she was talking directly. 213 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: So road was the language she used. We've done our part, 214 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: and that's what she said. That was the next sentence. 215 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: She didn't say the next thing, but it was now, 216 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: we're waiting on you to do yours. 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: That was as soon as we heard her say we've 218 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: done our part, you and I both looked at each 219 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: other and said whoa. And look, it had to have 220 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: meant something. She was speaking directly to her mother's kidnapper. 221 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: That's exactly how she worded it. And yes, the one 222 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: point two million dollars for information leading to the whereabouts 223 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: of Nancy Guthrie, they're not even asking in that one 224 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: point two million reward money for an arrest or a conviction. 225 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: They just want to know where their mom is. That's 226 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: all still being held. That doesn't mean that Savannah or 227 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: her family members might not have personally had some sort 228 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: of transaction with someone, and that's what this seems to suggest. 229 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: It was interesting her first line, and you reacted to it. 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: She said, I'm coming on today with a very specific message. 231 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: But then what she went on to say was, as 232 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: you pointed out, incredibly vague, but maybe only could only 233 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: be truly understood by the person it was intended for. 234 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what the plea was because I 235 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: thought it was going to be a public plea, and 236 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: it was a private plea made publicly. Rather, this wasn't 237 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: for all of us necessarily. She did have something in there, right, 238 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: and told people to state vision or just to keep 239 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: an eye out, just say hey, we'll take any information. 240 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, it seemed like she is waiting on something 241 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: she hasn't gotten yet. Yes, that she was expecting from 242 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: whoever this person is she's communicating. 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, Yeah, we have done our part and 244 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: we will never stop looking for her. We will always 245 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: ache for her and feel that feel that hole in 246 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: our hearts. This is what I thought was interesting. The 247 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: world can be a cruel and unforgiving place. And I 248 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: know that you have tried to do things the right way. 249 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: So I'm asking you, begging you to do the right thing. Now, 250 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: make the right choice, help us find her, tell us 251 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: where to look for her. So that does suggest there 252 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 3: was some sort of communication. She's acknowledging that this person 253 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: tried to do things the right way. What could that 254 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: possibly mean? 255 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: I can't even begin It's just all over the place. 256 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: She might be talking to someone who sent information as 257 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: not actually a kidnapper. Is she actually talking to the kidnapper? 258 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: Right? 259 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: Who is she directing this towards? When she says tell 260 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: us where to look? That suggested maybe it wasn't the 261 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: kidnapper and a tipster, or it could be the actual kidnapper. 262 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: She's saying, we don't want anything to do with you, 263 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: We're not coming after you. 264 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: Where is she? You could take it. 265 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: Either way, man, tell us where to look for her. 266 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: And yes, she just keeps talking about this person making 267 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: the right choice. So to that point, yes, it does 268 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: perhaps suggest she's not talking to the kidnapper. She's talking 269 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: to the person who knows the kidnapper, who knows of 270 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: the kidnapping, who knows, because that was the whole string 271 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: of emails that was sent to TMZ about this person 272 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: who claimed to know who had pictures that never bore fruit. 273 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it is sad and sick to know that 274 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: so many people are trying to just insert themselves into 275 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: this story and somehow get a payday out of it. 276 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: And I think that's what also just feels so icky 277 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: about this lawsuit that's being filed, because it's about getting paid, 278 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: about having some sort of financial gain while you've got 279 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: a family publicly grieving for answers. 280 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: It's such a difficult one. 281 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: I just don't want We don't know the guys, so 282 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to indict him as being a bad person. 283 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: I don't know who's been in his ear, what lawyer 284 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: told him, Hey, I bet you can da da da da. 285 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: But they made a request, they put them on notice. 286 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: They say, oh yeah, we can settle this thing. Just 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: still it's a two and a half million, do's a 288 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: go away. Obviously the city of the county is not 289 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: going to do that. So what they're going to try 290 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: to litigate was this just a threat robes? Is this 291 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: just a negotiation? That feels even worse if you just 292 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: throw that number out and the lawyer, Ah. 293 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna settle. 294 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: Let's just do this, maybe get a couple hundred thousand, 295 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: and that sounds good. I don't know what you do, man, 296 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: cause I don't want to take away I don't know 297 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: his experience. Robes, who everybody arrested could could actually say 298 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: I want to assue you for two and a half 299 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: million dollars. 300 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: That's my question. 301 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's is there an obvious or an 302 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: expected recourse for someone if they're arrested without being charged, 303 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: if they're arrested and then cleared. Isn't that part of 304 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: a process in investigating something? 305 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: And don't we have to just look. 306 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: I understand it might have been an uncomfortable situation and 307 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: a difficult situation, but to expect millions of dollars in 308 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: return for seven hours of being detained doesn't seem to 309 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. 310 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: Are they going to make some constitutional rights were violated 311 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: in some way? And I don't know, Rose, but that's 312 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: a that's a stretch. It feels awful. 313 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: It can't be Also, I was just also once again 314 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: thinking of Savannah and her family, just hearing this and 315 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: seeing this side of things. It's just it's not the 316 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: headlines they're hoping for, and certainly the ugliness that has 317 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: followed now because of this lawsuit just can't sit well 318 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: with them. 319 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: And then the brother wants two hundred and fifty for 320 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: being in handcuffs. 321 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, with an armed guard in his own home. He 322 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: wants five hundred half million for the handcuffs, Yeah, half 323 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: a million. Will continue to follow all the developments, hopefully 324 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: there will be one that actually will provide some answers 325 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: for the Guthrie family. We can only hope so, but 326 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: we always appreciate you listening to us. 327 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 4: Everyone. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to 328 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: you soon.