1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. We talked about Tyrus Wong this week, person 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: number two, who was on my episode list of topics 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: that do two different times. I think that's all the duplicates. 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there are any more duplicates lingering on 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: the short list for me. But I've wanted to do 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: an episode about him for a while, and I'm very 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: glad that we finally have. I love his artwork. Of course, 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I noted a couple of things talk about in the 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we didn't really get into. What 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: is man the Disney Animators strike? Yeah, had you read 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: about it much before this? I mean, I know kind 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: of the basics of it. So, Holly, you are classified 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: as management at our job. I am not management, and 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: I am on the bargaining committee for our union, right, 17 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: and so I have been through the process of organizing 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: a workplace, and boy, am I glad that we did 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: not have the kind of bitter bitter divisions that went 20 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: on in this process. Yeah, it's bad, very bad, Like 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: we for sure had some people who were like, I 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: don't really think a union is right for me, or 23 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't think a union is right for our workplace, 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: but like we did not have the kind of real 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: schism that was going on in Disney animation, which sounded awful. 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you had anything to add to that, 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: since I know you are very versed in all the 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: history of Disney and all of that. Well, it's one 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: of those things that's really interesting to me because even 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: now when people talk about it, it's very divisive, and 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: really it kind of all boils down to, for better 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: or worse, this sort of cult of personality around Walt Disney. 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, and him being a visionary, which I 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: fully believe he was. But it's like that thing where 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: it was so divisive then and now when people talk 36 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: about it, there are folks who just naturally will buck 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: against that idea of the cult of personality and they'll 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: be like he was a union busting monster, and other 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: people who are like, no, he just was like trying 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: to get his stuff done in a admittedly right. This 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: was not a well established industry at that point, Like 42 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: there were unions and there were animators, but like it 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: was still a little wild Westie in terms of how 44 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: things were run, super wild weather. If you look at 45 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: like similarly, stuff that was going on at like Termite 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: Terras for Warner Brothers stuff, there are not quite the 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: same kind of thing, but there were just like in 48 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: terms of like the way people worked, the hours they worked, 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: the way management function similarly, not really stuff that would 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: fly today. Yeah, And so it is kind of interesting 51 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: to me to watch people really like, I mean, if 52 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: you want to just you know, watch a fight happen online, 53 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: say anything about Walt Disney, because there are people who 54 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: want to believe that he was secretly awful, and there 55 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: are people that believe he was a saint, and you know, 56 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean I believe that he was a human, yeah, 57 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: who had many fine qualities, and I think was probably 58 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: a genuinely good person. Right. It doesn't mean you always 59 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: make the right decision, yeah, yeah, particularly in a business 60 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: like that. So it's it's an interesting one and it 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: does break my heart to think about. I mean, listen, 62 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: if you're like me and you love animation, this feels 63 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: like and I don't I don't want to say anything 64 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: that will make people think I don't take real huge 65 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: events seriously. But in terms of the animation biome, this 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: was a civil war. Oh yeah, like a total I 67 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: mean it was like two animation what the Civil War 68 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: was to the United States without trying to like obviously 69 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: there was not bloodshed and the same kind of thing, 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: but in terms of just the renting of people, like 71 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: people who were lifelong friends hated not anymore of it. Yea, yeah, 72 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: it was wild. Yeah. I feel like there might be 73 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: people who are like, Tracy, you just said, you're on 74 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: the bargaining committee of your union. How come you love 75 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: this person who didn't walk out with his union, And 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okay. One of the things you have 77 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: to recognize when you're organizing is that sometimes there are 78 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: people who have other stuff that has to take a priority, like, 79 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: for exampeople being in the United States at a time 80 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: when it was illegal to have immigrated into the United States, 81 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: not being a citizen and having kind of talked your 82 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: way into a position that was like not where the 83 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: company really thought you should be. Like, there was a 84 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: lot of there's nuance, is what I'm saying, Right, with 85 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: a wife and child, with a wife and take care 86 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: of so, like I can see being in the position 87 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: of I could walk out with my coworkers, and then 88 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: I might be deported, and then what happens? Right, Speaking 89 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: of being deported, there is so much writing about the 90 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: immigration station at angel Island. It was a horrible place. 91 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: I think on the show, we've talked before about poetry 92 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: that has been etched on the walls that by the 93 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: people that were detained there, some of which is very beautiful. 94 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: A thing that kept coming up when I was working 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: on this episode was that sometimes Angel Island is nicknamed 96 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: the Ellis Island of the West, and a lot of 97 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: the articles that sort of say known as the Ellis 98 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: Island of the West, and then they're like, except Ellis 99 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Island was supposed to be welcoming to immigrants, and I'm like, 100 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Ellis Island was welcoming to some immigrants. It was never 101 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: welcoming to everybody, And like there was a big place 102 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 1: for eugenics at Ellis Island. There was a big place 103 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: for ableism at Ellis Island. So like, it's just not 104 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: really accurate to be like, but at Ellis Island everyone 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: was welcomed because it's a magical fairyland where you got 106 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: handed flowers and chimpagne when you got off the boat. 107 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: That's part of the myth making of America, this idea 108 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: that like you're welcomed to buy the Statue of Liberty 109 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna, you know, have this wonderful Ellis 110 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: Island experience. You know, not if you were disabled and 111 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: as time passed, not if you were from a range 112 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: of specific countries. Anyway, Greeting cards, Christmas cards, so pretty 113 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: moving on, They're beautiful. I love them. I think today 114 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people think of greeting cards as a 115 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: whole as kind of like a kitchy mass produced They 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: don't assign a lot of value to greeting cards. And 117 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: I get it. I have for sure been standing at 118 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the greeting card i'le trying to find literally any greeting 119 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: card that feels okay to give to a person for 120 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: a particular thing. But at the same time, like a 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: lot of people are doing hard work on making these. Yeah, 122 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: and at the time that tyros Wong started doing them, 123 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: there were also a lot of other like serious artists 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: who were doing greeting card work, Like there were Salvador 125 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Dali Christmas cards, Andy Warhol cards. So I think like 126 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: there's a there's layers. There's the layer of you know 127 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot. There are people putting time and care into 128 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: making these and trying to make them beautiful and you know, 129 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: bring some joy and comfort into people's lives. Right, and 130 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: also the you know what we think of as like 131 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: fine art having an overlap. I actually have, by coincidence, 132 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: written an upcoming episode that is going to have a 133 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: little bit more about like distinctions between fine art and 134 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: like commercial art art. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, here's what I 135 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: love about his greeting cards the most. Okay, it's so silly. Okay, 136 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: it supports my very strong personal feeling that pink is 137 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: a Christmas color. Thank you, That's fine. Yeah, the entire time. 138 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: There are some really beautiful Tyroswong Christmas cards the heavily 139 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: feature pink. His daughter Kim reissues some of these cards 140 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and some other items related to him on Etsy, So 141 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: you can look for them on Etsy. You just got 142 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that you are actually in that store, 143 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: because there are also other people on say who put 144 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: out like sort of copies or unlicensed things. Yeah. So yeah, 145 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: I was having a difficult week when I was working 146 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: on this, and I watched the documentary Tyrus and At 147 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: the end of the documentary, there's a focus on the 148 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: kite making and he takes a trip out to the 149 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: beach to fly the kites. And boy was I weeping 150 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: at my desk about these place. Yeah, there was also 151 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: a film made that was just about the kites, and 152 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: there is a chunk of it on YouTube, and I 153 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I forgot to look up the name of 154 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: it before. But if I bet, if you put Tyris 155 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Wong Kites into the YouTube search, you'll find it. You'll 156 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: find it. I do want to also just comment briefly 157 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: and make a plug for the Walt Disney Family Museum. Okay, 158 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I've never been there, have you? Oh so many times? 159 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm in love with that museum. Oh I'm surprising. It's well, 160 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because it's in San Francisco. It's at 161 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: the Presidio. If you really want to, there's a lodge 162 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: next to it that that was part of the presidio buildings. 163 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: It's now a hotel that's lovely and you can go 164 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: and they have food trucks come out. Because there are 165 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: a couple of other interesting places, and the presidio is 166 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: of course part of a park and it's got a 167 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: lot of interesting things. But that museum is spectacular. It's 168 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: not associated with the Disney company. It's literally like the 169 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: family that hast this museum together and they do one 170 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful space, but to they curate some of 171 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the most beautiful exhibits. Yeah, we were there a few 172 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: years back when they did their ivand Earl exhibit. Who 173 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: was the person that did a lot of the backgrounds 174 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: on Sleeping Beauty And that was like so striking and 175 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: lovely and just like if you're into movie history and 176 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: if you're into Disney, obviously there's a ton of stuff 177 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: that's about Walt's life more than it's about the movies 178 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: in the parks, although there are things from the movies 179 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: in the parks there and toys and it's just it's 180 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: a great museum and the staff there is incredible. When 181 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: we did Drawn a million years ago, it feels like 182 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: we worked with them on some of it to talk 183 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: about just how animation developed over time, and they were 184 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: just absolutely wonderful to work with. So highly recommend if 185 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: you're in San Francisco and want to have, yeah, several 186 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: hours of wonder because love that place. Just the mention 187 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: of Sleeping Beauty. There were a couple people that compared 188 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Tyrus Wong's influence on Bambi too. Yeah, like the total 189 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: ends to end. You can draw a line pretty easily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 190 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Ivan der Ol was obviously very influenced by some of 191 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: this work. Yeah. I think last time we were there 192 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: they were doing an exhibit on cats and dogs and animation. 193 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: Oh I love it. Oh it's the best museum. I 194 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it. So so good, so good. 195 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: Go enjoy San Francisco. Go to one of my favorite museums. 196 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: We talked about Gertrude Jekyl this week following an accident 197 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: of Google. Those are great accidents. I love when those happened. 198 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: They are and I so I had feelings about this. 199 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: So when I searched with the words landscape architect, Google 200 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: search results did take me to Lancelot Capability Brown. He 201 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: was nicknamed Capability as I understand, because he liked to 202 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: tell people that their grounds had great capability for improvement. 203 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: So landscape architect would take me to him. Landscape designer 204 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: would take me to Gertrude Jekyl. Even though the term 205 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: landscape architect has been used to describe each of them. 206 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: That's a more modern term than when they were living, 207 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: but like it is, it describes what they were doing 208 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: and has been applied to both of them. So I 209 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: just I sort of felt like there were there were 210 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: some gender perceptions in what of these would be perceived 211 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: to be like the higher skill and which persons it 212 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: returned the results for which I found a little annoying. 213 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: To add to my many annoyances with Google lately, including 214 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: the fact that every single time I search now there 215 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: is an AI summary that I cannot turn off or 216 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: do anything about that is just wasting resources and not 217 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: providing me with anything that I actually need. Yeah, I 218 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: have to wait for it to load before I can 219 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: continue to Ye. I know. There are other search alternatives. 220 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: They all have their pros and cons, and pretty much 221 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: everybody seems to be throwing their hat into the unnecessary 222 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: implementation of AI. Ring Yeah, how I feel about it. 223 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: I started using the extension at Cozia because it donates 224 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: to ecological okay efforts all right, which you can use 225 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: in like your like in the browser. Yeah cool, in 226 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: Google Chrome. I love it. That's because on Earth Day, 227 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Jane Goodall and winner of the most recent RuPaul's Drag 228 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: Race Nymphia Wind did like I love that. This was 229 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: what the RuPaul's Drag Race winner did was like a 230 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Jane Goodall co post on Instagram where they did like 231 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: a little live where they talked about using Ecozia as 232 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: a browser extension and how you could save the earth. 233 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is the best thing that ever. 234 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: I loved it. It works just great. I don't have 235 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: all the details on it of how it works, but 236 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: you can look at it and it's wonderful. Yeah, let's 237 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: talk about dandelions. Let's talk about and I didn't. I 238 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: don't have it written. I don't have it written in 239 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: my notes, and I don't want to forget to talk 240 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: about dandelions. I have so many feelings about dandelions. Okay, 241 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,239 Speaker 1: one you know, like what's a weed and what's a flower? 242 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Has made up? Yep yep. That being said, I will 243 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: confess that sometimes I do try to get rid of 244 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: dandelions in my lawn because they are pervasive. But what 245 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: I have done in recent years to try to help 246 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: myself make peace is cook them. Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 247 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: And I haven't done it yet, but I cannot wait. 248 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: And I need to gather some. Next time we have 249 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: some pop up with flowers, I want to make some 250 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: dandelion syrup for cocktails. Yeah, yeah, sounds great. And I 251 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: have no problem with dandelions. I don't try to destroy 252 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: so uh. Our house came with some landscaping already done. 253 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: Same and uh there are places where like one will 254 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: show up and it's just like not a great place 255 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: for it. But in the backyard that's just I'm gonna 256 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: say grass. It's mostly not grass out there at this point, 257 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: but like, I'm not gonna do anything about dandelions in 258 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: the backyard. They're gonna be there, They're gonna be yellow, 259 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna be fluffy, and I love them. 260 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: It's fine. Yuh. Also, my whole backyard at this point 261 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: is increasingly wood sorrel and not grass. I know there 262 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: are folks that feel like that dandelions are invasive in 263 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: some way. Most of where dandelions spread is grass lawns, 264 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: and grass lawns have their whole own other issue. So 265 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't mind just dandelions at all. This episode kind 266 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: of inspired me to want to garden more. Yeah, I 267 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: have a couple of a couple of things. What is 268 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: that there is some work that needs to be done 269 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: around our house, and that work should get done before 270 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: spending a lot of investment on gardening, stuff on plant 271 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: life that could then be destroyed in the work. Right. 272 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: That's thing number one. Thing number two is I don't 273 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: have a good track record of actually being able to 274 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: maintain attempts to garden. So yeah, I'm I'm a little 275 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: hit or miss. You know, I've talked about on the 276 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: show before. We inherited a lot of roses with this house, 277 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: which I love, and I have put some more in 278 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: since then. And I am not a great I don't 279 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: have the touch, I have the evil I have. Sure 280 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I give them some sort of scrufula. I don't know 281 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: what happens, but but the roses are cool. They're like, 282 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: that's fine, They're fine with it. We don't need you whatever. Well, 283 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: we'll survive despite you touching us. But lately I have 284 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: a lot of weeds in my rose bed, which I 285 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind. Like we have a bull thistle that I'm 286 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: fascinated by because I'd never seen one in person that 287 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: big before. But I don't want them to take over 288 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: the roses. So I feel like, yeah, yeah, that's the 289 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I feel bad when plants die. Do 290 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: you have that? Yeah, Like I have a million seedlings 291 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: right now because I had a moment where I was like, 292 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to grow dial and peppers and squash and 293 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: pumpkins and all the things, all the thing, a million 294 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: seed links, and like when I transplant them and they 295 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: don't all make it, I feel like I literally take 296 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: it way too hard to heart. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, where 297 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm like one of the pumpkin vines noted it's like okay, okay, 298 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: but like it's it's okay, right, But I can't convince 299 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: my inner child of that. I guess I don't know 300 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: what's going on there. The first time that I ever 301 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: had house of my own with a yard of some sort, 302 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: I was so excited and I got all of these plants, 303 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: and I had a little container garden that was like 304 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: a poured concrete patio in the back, and I put 305 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: a whole container garden out there, and some other container 306 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: type stuff in the front yard and all this stuff. 307 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: And then immediately after having done all that, I stepped 308 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: into a hole and broke me. And I had to 309 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: be non weight bearing for something like seven weeks and 310 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: we've discussed asking for help. It's a problem that I 311 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: have that I don't do. So all of my plants 312 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: did not This was in the summertime too, so all 313 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: of my plants did not make it through the Georgia summer. 314 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I've never totally recovered from Yeah. Yeah, 315 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's tricky. It's that thing, right, I don't 316 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: I know. I have this and I have been examining 317 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: it a lot recently because I had a little a 318 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: little surgery that I was not expecting that has made 319 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: me need to have help with stuff. I'm fine, but 320 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: like that not asking for help thing. I literally was 321 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: trying to unpack it with my husband because even with him, 322 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want you to be so gung 323 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: ho in the beginning of this recovery, that you eventually 324 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: become resentful that you have to do so much stuff 325 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: and then you secretly hate me. And that's how I 326 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: think it will work with everyone. Yeah, why are we 327 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: like this? This is a great question. During my broken 328 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: leg recovery, I remember friends came over and they had 329 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: brought me something and one of them was like, is 330 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: there anything else you need me to do, and I 331 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: was like, absolutely not. And he was like, Tracy, I'm 332 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: not leaving and say, you tell me what you need 333 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: help with. And I was like, can you please deal 334 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: with my crisper? Because being on crutches meant that I 335 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: wasn't able to cook. Really, I didn't. Like. I had 336 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: this one rolling office chair that I was trying to 337 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: cook from and it like just it wasn't working. And 338 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: so ingredients I had bought had just like rotted in 339 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: the fridge. Oh gotcha. And so my friend took care 340 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: of all that and then was like, don't let this 341 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: get like this again. Just just call me. So. Yes, 342 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: I understand it's weird. It's weird. I don't want to 343 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: be a burden. Some random things I found delightful about 344 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: Gertrude Chicyle. There's so many. There's a there's a bunch 345 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: that didn't make it into the episode. I'm gonna tell 346 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: you them now. We mentioned her fondness for cats. Yeah, 347 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: during her travels when she was younger, she would play 348 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: a little game she invented with her traveling companions. They 349 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: would have a contest for who could count the most 350 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: cats on their side of the walk. Oh perfect, But 351 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: whoever was the first person to spot a cat in 352 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: the window. One that was like instant winning was spotting 353 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: a cat in the window. I love it. Next thing, 354 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: Linda Sparncastle. There are cliffs like below one of the walls. 355 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: I have not looked at pictures of this to like 356 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: describe it adequately, but she reportedly seeded the flowers for 357 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: these cliffs by firing the seed out of a shotgun. 358 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Last thing is not 359 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: actually about her. Her brother Wald her was friends with 360 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: Robert Lewis Stevenson, and so it is believed that the 361 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: Jekyll family is the namesake of what we usually say 362 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: in America or in the United States as doctor Jekyl 363 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: in the story Doctor Jekyl and mister Hyde. Apparently, this 364 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: pronunciation of Jekyl really comes from, like when this was 365 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: made into either radio plays or movies or you know, 366 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: some over on the US side of things saying this name, 367 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: making Jekyl a more common pronunciation at least here in 368 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: the US, for this name. I liked her a lot. 369 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: This was another episode that I was working on. I've 370 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: had some things going on. Nobody needs to be worried 371 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: about me. It's just been a lot to have stuff 372 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: to handle. Yeah, life is life, life is. There's just 373 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: been extra life and of life lately, and so I 374 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: just I was very comforted reading about all of her gardens. 375 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: I love the look of like the English cottage garden. 376 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: They make me happy if my own, you know, but like, 377 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: our yard is not very big at all, but if 378 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: like our little front yard looked like that, that'd make 379 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: me super happy. But I, as we said, other stuff 380 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: needs to come at first. We should not do a 381 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: whole bunch of work on the front little patch of 382 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: dirt when the front porch at needs attention from an 383 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna fall apart standpoint, yeah kind of thing. So yeah, 384 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: I became quite fond of her. Apparently she could be 385 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: stubborn and prickly, and I love that too. I loved 386 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: to pull back the curtain a bit before we read 387 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: about her smaller house that she had built. Yeah, you 388 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: made a comment to me about you coming up is 389 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: the small house. It is ridiculous for one person, And 390 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: I was like, this seems perfectly reasonable to me. But 391 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: that's because I'm a stupphaholic. And I think, sure, yeah, 392 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm like one of these bedrooms could be for my 393 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: life size e walk that I just got, Like, I, 394 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, that's mister Herman needs his own room. Yeah. 395 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: We we have a house that is a hundred percent 396 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: more than adequate for two grown adult human beings that 397 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: live in it simultaneously. There are times when I wish 398 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: we had an actual guest room that a guest could 399 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: stay with us and have privacy. Right. We have places 400 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: people can sleep if they stay at our house, but 401 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: not a place with a door that they could close. 402 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have a guest room, although it is 403 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: also I joke that people have to sign the NDA 404 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: to not disclose how many shoes I have that room. 405 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the wall of shoes behind you. This 406 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: is the closet to that room, Holly records in a 407 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: shoe closet listener, I do well, it's shoes and suits. 408 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: But I have a lot of shoes and I love them. 409 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say I thought about you when 410 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: reading Gertrude Cheekyles not liking new boots me too, I 411 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: was like, girl, what's wrong now? I could understand, though, 412 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: if you have a pair that you love for a 413 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: utility purpose like that, not wanting to break in new ones. 414 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: I get that, Like, it's not like, yeah, the most 415 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: of my shoes are not I have one pair of 416 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: shoes that I mowed the lawn in, for example, so 417 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: I understand, but I will replace that pair of shoes 418 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: when they get ready. This was also a different era 419 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: of quality and durability of not across the board, but 420 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: in many cases, like if you look at the picture 421 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: of these boots, you can tell that they are made 422 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: of like very durable, very well crafted parts and also 423 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: parts that can be repaired, which I would say, like 424 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: my trail runners that I hike in if they fall 425 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: apart to be repaired, we're getting new ones like that. 426 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: It's not really something you can just a cobbler can 427 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: resolve for you in the same way, right. Yeah. I 428 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: also discovered recently that like, cobbler shops don't all do 429 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: the stuff I want them to do anymore. Oh, Like, 430 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: I went to one because I bought these boots that 431 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: I really really love online and I love them and 432 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: I love the way they feel on my feet. But 433 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: I have Hammi calves and they're a little tight in 434 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: the calf, like I can't zip them up all the way, 435 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: and I asked them about doing an elastic insert like 436 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: adding a gore to it, and he was like, there's 437 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: I only know one shop in town that does that, 438 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: and it's going to be really expensive. And I looked 439 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: up the shop that he referred me to and it's 440 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: like the shop that people take their le boutons too. 441 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, wow, no, no, no, this isn't 442 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: for me. This is so we'll see if I decide 443 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: to take up, you know, shoe gore insertion myself, because 444 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: it might happen. Yeah, yeah, and I have gumption. Yeah. Anyway, 445 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: how we got to cobblers process. I wonder about her 446 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: other shoes, because surely she wasn't wearing only those shoes. 447 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: They were definitely her gardening but yeah, they were for 448 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: the time. I don't think she wore them all the 449 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: time now, But I disagree with her fundamentally about not 450 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: wanting new clothes. I will also say she is one 451 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: of the many people in history that I feel like 452 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: there are a number of people who are in some 453 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: way neuro divergent, yeah, who see themselves in her. And 454 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: I think that's great. And I'm also not going to 455 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: try to armchair right, it makes sense I see we're 456 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: people land there for sure. Yeah, I love her, though, 457 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: I am sure, being you know, somebody who lived in 458 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: the nineteenth and early twentieth century, that if I went 459 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: digging through the vast majority of her writing, I would 460 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: find various things that I'd be like, oh, wish you 461 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: had not said that, oh, Gertrude. But I you know, 462 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: I love I love the gardens, and I love that 463 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: she made this whole career for herself when she wasn't 464 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: really supposed I was supposed to have a career at all. 465 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: I also can't help but think of our other episode 466 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: we did on a gardener, which is Andre Lenotre. Oh, yeah, 467 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: who just designed the gardens of Versailles and many other 468 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: beautiful places in France, for example. And obviously he's on 469 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: the much more formal end of things, but in terms 470 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: of personality, the descriptions are so different, like hers is 471 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: so much of like I love nature and I love flowers, 472 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: and I like to learn about the ours. And he 473 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: sounded like kind of a tyrant, And I'm like, what 474 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: would happen if you switched their two specialties? Where he 475 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: was doing more like manner littler manor gardens compared to palaces, 476 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: and she was doing like grand huge palace work, right, 477 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: I think that would be fascinating. Yeah. Well, if you 478 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: have a garden to work and over the weekend, I 479 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy your garden time. And if gardening feels 480 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: like a chore to you and you want to put 481 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: that chore off, hey, you have my full sport. We'll 482 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand 483 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History Class is 484 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. 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