Speaker 1: For those of you just tuning in to Civic Cipher,
Speaker 1: I am your host, Ramsey's jaw.
Speaker 2: Most of the time. I'm que most of the time. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: as I said before, people say some different things.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 2: My mother though cast me Quentin, all right, but most
Speaker 2: of the people that I spend most of my time
Speaker 2: would call me q Ward.
Speaker 1: Indeed, the man, the myth legend.
Speaker 3: Back in the studio after traveling may as well be
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Speaker 1: Man, good to have you back in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we still got a lot more show in
Speaker 1: store for you. We're going to talk.
Speaker 3: About what happens when we listen to black women Wow yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and why supporting black women is mission critical not just
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Speaker 1: Talk about police a lot on the show.
Speaker 2: Well we we their activities caused that. Yes, you don't
Speaker 2: seek them.
Speaker 1: Out, Nope.
Speaker 3: But by being critical of the police, we believe that
Speaker 3: we can point out where they are wrong, where they
Speaker 3: can do better, and where they should do better. But
Speaker 3: to be fair, we also need to point out when
Speaker 3: they get it right. And we've done this many times
Speaker 3: on the show. Today is going to be another example. Okay,
Speaker 3: please shot that woman. She died and her baby died.
Speaker 3: Okay from TMZ. Michigan cops saved the life of a
Speaker 3: baby dying in the middle of a busy intersection and
Speaker 3: it was all caught on dramatic video. The hero officers
Speaker 3: pulled over the tots mom and uncle for speeding going
Speaker 3: eighty miles an hour in a forty five zone in
Speaker 3: the city of Warren last Tuesday. You've been to Warren, Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: the family was driving fast. There's a lot of black
Speaker 3: people in Warren.
Speaker 2: Right in comparison to Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, Well that's enough because in the video the
Speaker 3: officers are white, the people in the car black.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me go on.
Speaker 3: The family was driving fast to get to the hospital
Speaker 3: because their eighteen month old boy was choking and turning blue.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 3: Dash cam footage shows one cop jumping out of his
Speaker 3: patrol car to traffic light and rushing up to the
Speaker 3: family stopped in their sedan. The baby's mom and uncle
Speaker 3: are totally freaking out, screaming for help and begging to
Speaker 3: go to the hospital, but there's no time. The officer
Speaker 3: grabs the infit and starts patting him on the back,
Speaker 3: dislodging the object in his throat. The cop passes him
Speaker 3: to another officer who drives a child to a hospital
Speaker 3: and the little ones.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, all's well. That ends well.
Speaker 3: Police, when they get it right, and it makes the difference.
Speaker 3: We have to shout that out too. We recognize that
Speaker 3: you're human beings and your system is corrupt, but individually
Speaker 3: you can be good. And this is one example.
Speaker 2: And before we move on, I'll say this again.
Speaker 1: Compared to Phoenix, yes, okay, but not compared to Detroit.
Speaker 1: From Detroit, So okay, very good, very good? All right? Uh,
Speaker 1: what happens when we listen to black women?
Speaker 2: Okay, we can talk for this, we can talk for
Speaker 2: hours about this.
Speaker 1: Into it. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do this
Speaker 1: one backwards.
Speaker 3: I have this written in a certain way where I
Speaker 3: want to want to cover it a certain way, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start backwards. Today we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 3: three black women. I'm gonna be reading from Black and Prize,
Speaker 3: by the way, so you can find this reading yourself.
Speaker 3: We're only going to pull a piece of it. We're
Speaker 3: gonna be talking about three black women. We're in positions
Speaker 3: of power in this country who are forcing us, not
Speaker 3: just the conservative.
Speaker 1: People in this country, but.
Speaker 3: All of us to understand what accountability should be. Because
Speaker 3: all three of these black women are at the helm
Speaker 3: of three different investigations and court proceedings or judicial undertakings
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call them, targeting the former
Speaker 3: President Donald J. Trump's behavior either in his business dealings
Speaker 3: or with respect to the election or whatever. And these
Speaker 3: black women are tough, and these black women are brave
Speaker 3: where a lot of our elected officials have not been brave,
Speaker 3: and they are showing us the best parts of humanity
Speaker 3: by how about this we know on this show, and
Speaker 3: we can say this as black men who have mothers
Speaker 3: and sisters and women in our lives that we you know,
Speaker 3: we can say that black women are are.
Speaker 1: The most disrespected, the.
Speaker 3: Most vulnerable to attacks, that black women were the last
Speaker 3: human being to receive her voice in this country.
Speaker 1: Briefly, tell the story about your mom. You just said
Speaker 1: it before we started recording.
Speaker 2: So President Obama's first term, the first vote in Maricopa
Speaker 2: County was your brother and co host who slept at
Speaker 2: the polls because it was that important to me, because
Speaker 2: when my mother reached voting age, she couldn't. So people
Speaker 2: hear these stories about the past and the kind of
Speaker 2: the history of our country, and it's like, I think,
Speaker 2: in our minds, these stories happened so long ago. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about a few generations gonna talk about my mom.
Speaker 2: H A lot of you know, our followers and some
Speaker 2: of our listeners even have come across my mom, either
Speaker 2: in lives or some of them even in person. A
Speaker 2: lot of people that I went to college with got
Speaker 2: to meet my mother, and not as my mother, but
Speaker 2: just as someone who was present at the school, you know,
Speaker 2: lifting up people who needed it. My mom would come
Speaker 2: and spend the night and anybody who was dealing with something,
Speaker 2: she would stay up overnight. When the sororities and organizations
Speaker 2: were doing lock ins and sleepovers. My mom would drive
Speaker 2: down and this is when my mom was in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: That's what I talk about. Even when her burden is heavy,
Speaker 2: she's still gonna go out of her way for everybody else.
Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me, let me ask you
Speaker 2: a question. It is possible for human beings to be kind.
Speaker 2: It does not matter what color these human beings are.
Speaker 2: What color is just imagination anyway, cultural line, tribal lines,
Speaker 2: you can find kindness everywhere.
Speaker 3: Have you?
Speaker 1: How about if you had to pick somebody to pray
Speaker 1: for you. That made me emotional.
Speaker 2: That's the best way to ask that question.
Speaker 1: Though, it made me emotional.
Speaker 2: Way to ask that question. I had to pick someone
Speaker 2: to pray for me, specifically.
Speaker 1: How does that person look in your mind? Q?
Speaker 2: She looks just like Reverend to Stella secrets and my pastor,
Speaker 2: my mother, my best friend, my cheerleader, my teammate, my shelter.
Speaker 3: I want I want to take you, I want to
Speaker 3: take you back, Q. If I may I get myself
Speaker 3: together here? Do you remember seeing those pictures of those
Speaker 3: wet nurses. There were black women that fed the children
Speaker 3: of white women during slavery. That was their designation was
Speaker 3: to take care of the house, to keep everything in
Speaker 3: order to You know, there's a lot that can be
Speaker 3: said about the men who built this country, and I
Speaker 3: will see that entirely because some of those arguments are irrefutable.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that the arguments are complete without
Speaker 3: the mention of the black women who made it possible.
Speaker 3: The black women who made this show possible. Thank you,
Speaker 3: doctor Westernberg for taking the time with me when I
Speaker 3: was nineteen, because I didn't have anybody else, but nobody
Speaker 3: else would stop me looking like me to say, young man,
Speaker 3: why don't I know your name?
Speaker 2: And you know that no one else would because no
Speaker 2: one else did. Like this is not Sometimes the language
Speaker 2: that we use, in the way that we speak can
Speaker 2: be received or interpreted as us being hyperbolic or like
Speaker 2: being you know, grandiose. In our language, these stories are literal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to happen, to happen. So the point the point
Speaker 3: is just so that we don't harp on one part
Speaker 3: of this. Black women are, we say on the show,
Speaker 3: as close to God as we will ever be on
Speaker 3: this planet. Women are very very special creatures. Black women.
Speaker 3: If you want to know what resilience looks like. If
Speaker 3: you want to know what forgiveness looks like, if you
Speaker 3: want to know what empathy the best, the best that
Speaker 3: human beings are capable of, you need to look no further.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The black women that we're going to talk about today
Speaker 3: are serving as a reminder of what is fair because,
Speaker 3: as we've often articulated on this show, and as many
Speaker 3: people who don't see the world the way that we do,
Speaker 3: they even know full well that there is a two
Speaker 3: tiered system in this country right that treats these people differently.
Speaker 1: From these people.
Speaker 3: Often times, if you are rich and guilty, you are better.
Speaker 3: You're treated better than if you are poor and innocent.
Speaker 3: And we often find that poor, innocent and black is
Speaker 3: a dangerous intersection to be at when it comes to
Speaker 3: criminal proceedings. In fact, I can point to young thug
Speaker 3: free ysl in a Georgia state prison right now, for
Speaker 3: more than a year with no bond, has offered deny
Speaker 3: bond five times, offered so many different ways of getting
Speaker 3: that bond. What conditions does the court need? Former President
Speaker 3: Donald Trump legal system despite there being a black woman
Speaker 3: at the helm, It's just it just exists this way.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump comes in rico charge, same.
Speaker 2: Charge, same charge, same state, same.
Speaker 3: State, same same prison, same photograph, same They have to
Speaker 3: stand from the same wall to take same picture. Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: here's here's my bond right here. Two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 3: in and out. Okay, two tier legal system.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, inequality exists in this world, but it often exists
Speaker 3: for the benefit of the wider you are, the straighter
Speaker 3: you are, the more masculine you are, the more Christian
Speaker 3: you are. You know, it exkews in that direction, right,
Speaker 3: and that imbalance, that inequality comes at the expense of
Speaker 3: the darker you are, the more feminine you are, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like on and on and on
Speaker 3: and so you start to see how black women are
Speaker 3: where a lot of these a lot of the benefits
Speaker 3: that go to those privileged come from black women. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. If black women are disenfranchised, white
Speaker 3: men conservative, but white men, there's enough of them can
Speaker 3: make the world however they want to, and everyone suffers.
Speaker 3: Who's not that person? Not quite well, white women can benefit.
Speaker 2: But because white women can benefit.
Speaker 1: They help. Sure, that's a fair point.
Speaker 3: That's a fair point, but that represents a very small
Speaker 3: sliver of humanity, even including them. But there's a good
Speaker 3: amount of them that realize that the patriarchy disenfranchises them too.
Speaker 3: So yes, white women can and do benefit from white supremacy,
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: But there's enough show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's a fair pointed to them.
Speaker 1: But here we are. If it were not for black women.
Speaker 2: Say that part again, because whatever you're saying after it,
Speaker 2: if not for black pop.
Speaker 3: If it were not for black women, these men and
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about all white movie on this show,
Speaker 3: we affirm constantly that white men are our brothers. White
Speaker 3: women are our sisters. Right, we are just the older
Speaker 3: brothers and sisters in the room because our tribe is
Speaker 3: the oldest tribe on this planet, and if it were
Speaker 3: not for our tribe, no other tribe would exist. And
Speaker 3: so we are the older brothers, and we have the
Speaker 3: capacity and the maturity to see things in this way,
Speaker 3: and we do our best to do that as often
Speaker 3: as we can. But if it were not for black women,
Speaker 3: these white men, who are often very conservative, would be
Speaker 3: free to create the world the way that they want
Speaker 3: it to be, and everyone else would be subject to
Speaker 3: the whim's decisions. Power structures of that group of people.
Speaker 3: In other words, black women are the reason that there
Speaker 3: is not unchecked power in this country.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Heavy the former president, he's attacked black women constantly.
Speaker 1: To be fair, he attacks people, he attacks people.
Speaker 3: But to me, it feels like it's a little bit
Speaker 3: of stink on it when he's attacking black people. We
Speaker 3: called Amarosa a dog. I'm not a fan of that lady,
Speaker 3: but he called her a dog. It's in a tweet.
Speaker 3: You could look that up ilhan Omar Muslim women, right, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Easy to attack for someone like him, though, because his
Speaker 2: constituents feel that by nature of the way she prays
Speaker 2: that she's somehow beneath her less than on top of
Speaker 2: being a mellenated.
Speaker 1: Won't say that.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Katanji Brown Jackson. Let's talk about Kamala Harris, right,
Speaker 3: you know, and the list goes on. Anybody that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump disagrees with, he attacks. That's fair. But these black women,
Speaker 3: that little bit of stink. Don't think I don't notice that. Now,
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, black women step up time and again
Speaker 3: to save this country from itself.
Speaker 2: That part needs to be highlighted and it needs to
Speaker 2: be said like that as often as possible. Black women,
Speaker 2: in more instances than any other specific designation of person, creed, ethnicity, race, whatever,
Speaker 2: Black women and in more cases than anyone that I
Speaker 2: can remember, have stepped up specifically to save the United
Speaker 2: States from.
Speaker 1: Her saved the democracy, save the American democracy. Now, how
Speaker 1: did black women do that personal sacrifices? We talked about.
Speaker 3: Mammie Till Mobley when they dragged her boy and they
Speaker 3: drowned her boy, Immettil and she said, open casket, you're
Speaker 3: going to see what they did to my son. And
Speaker 3: it went early viral, super duper viral.
Speaker 1: And that was the.
Speaker 3: Gas on the civil rights movement. The bravery and the courage.
Speaker 3: She wasn't embarrassed, She didn't go inwards, She didn't cry.
Speaker 3: She said, nope, my son's death is going to me
Speaker 3: and son, it's my only baby. Black women have buried
Speaker 3: their children. For those that caught the first half of
Speaker 3: the show, there's a Black woman bearing her daughter and
Speaker 3: her unborn grand baby.
Speaker 1: Time and again.
Speaker 3: Black women are buried that chuldn't had to take them
Speaker 3: off of trees because they're hanging on the trees. Had
Speaker 3: to gather the burned bodies okay, bravery displays of strength.
Speaker 3: How do black women say this country from itself? How
Speaker 3: is it possible? How do they display the best of humanity?
Speaker 3: As black women have not gone off the reals? Black women,
Speaker 3: I don't care what you believe. I don't even believe
Speaker 3: it most of the time. But black women pray. And
Speaker 3: if that's not a display of faith, I've seen faith
Speaker 3: express to almost every culture, and a good number of them.
Speaker 3: I've been on the soil with them in the place
Speaker 3: where they are expressing their faith. Never before where have
Speaker 3: I seen a more profound expression of faith than from
Speaker 3: Black women.
Speaker 2: From black women praying specifically.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean to say, thank you, But also
Speaker 3: that same bravery. It turns into activism, black women, activists, poets, writers.
Speaker 1: Let's go back further. Tubman was an activist, right did
Speaker 1: she not imagine this?
Speaker 2: Though? Right in a country where the patriarchy has been
Speaker 2: upheld for as long as it has, in a country
Speaker 2: where history would much rather highlight the positive exploits of
Speaker 2: a man champion, right even through times of folklore and
Speaker 2: a whitewashing of the history of this country, and even
Speaker 2: in a place where now we have governors throughout the
Speaker 2: United States trying to get rid of black history, that
Speaker 2: the story of someone like Harriet Tubman has continue throughout history.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, because why not rewrite that story? It's different.
Speaker 2: She's a CSS. Yes, you can't, you couldn't. It's the
Speaker 2: only version of the story. There is only that version
Speaker 2: of the story. The leader of one of the most
Speaker 2: powerful moments in the history of man of humankind, led
Speaker 2: by once again a black woman.
Speaker 3: So black women, through their sacrifices, their faith, displays of strength, activism,
Speaker 3: votes in the modern era, given every everything that we've
Speaker 3: given black women, they have turned it into progress, not
Speaker 3: just for themselves but for the whole country.
Speaker 1: Black women, in a very selfless way, almost always yes.
Speaker 3: And now we have black women holding the former president
Speaker 3: and by extension, every politician accountable.
Speaker 1: Now you know what's on the menu.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to shout these people out before we
Speaker 3: move on. Letitia James, the first woman of color to
Speaker 3: service New York's Attorney General. Letitia James, first woman of
Speaker 3: color to service New York's Attorney General, has shown unwavering
Speaker 3: commitment in investigating and prosecuting Donald Trump in his business
Speaker 3: dealings in Georgia. We're going to talk about Fannie Willis,
Speaker 3: who has risen to the challenge of investigating Trump's actions
Speaker 3: during the twenty twenty election. As the first woman to
Speaker 3: be elected as district Attorney in Or County. Willis has
Speaker 3: navigated complex legal battles and faced pressure from various quarters,
Speaker 3: yet she has remained focused on upholding the rule of
Speaker 3: law and ensuring that all individuals, regardless of their status
Speaker 3: or influence, face the consequences of their actions. As mentioned,
Speaker 3: and then let's go down to US District Judge Tanya Chutken,
Speaker 3: an exemplar of judicial integrity who has shown willingness to
Speaker 3: deliver the harshest sentences possible for those involved in the
Speaker 3: January sixth insurrection, despite the government's requests for leniency in
Speaker 3: certain cases. Judge Chuchkin has been unyielding in her pursuit
Speaker 3: of justice or decisions have sent powerful a powerful message
Speaker 3: that attacking the corp of democracy will not go unpunished.
Speaker 3: Trump immediately called for her recusal and a chance, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: a change a venue because he doesn't believe he will
Speaker 3: receive a fair trial any minute now. I expect him
Speaker 3: to also brand her a racist. And because of Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's rise to power was undeniably fueled in no small
Speaker 3: part by a wave of angry white men.
Speaker 1: Responding to Obama's election and re election.
Speaker 3: These men, feelings enchanted and disempowered in a changing world,
Speaker 3: found a champion and Trump, who promised to restore their
Speaker 3: perceived sense of entitlement and returned to a bygone era
Speaker 3: they believe was rightly theirs. This surge of angry white
Speaker 3: men is manifested in various ways, encompassing political and extremism,
Speaker 3: domestic terrorism, and the rise of movements like the alt
Speaker 3: right and the Men's movement, as well as the Proud
Speaker 3: Boys and the right wing death squad that's been doing
Speaker 3: all these mass shootings and on and on and on.
Speaker 3: So shout out to black women one time, and that's
Speaker 3: going to do it for us here on Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1: So once again I'm your host, Rams' job.
Speaker 2: And once again I am q Ward. Once again, I'm
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Speaker 2: to black women, if that needed to be said again,
Speaker 2: listen to and follow black women, the very very outspoken
Speaker 2: and mostly correct leaders of this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where everybody is going to find what it
Speaker 3: is that we really need to find as people. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it any plainer than that,
Speaker 3: So I'll leave it right there and until next week, y'all.
Speaker 1: Peace, Peace,