1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of My Heart Radio. Mr 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Zaron Burnett, what's up, Elizabeth Dutton? You know it's ridiculous, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: I do. Actually, For instance, daylight savings time kills people. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Kills people, Yeah, I mean like NEDDA doesn't like strangle 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: them in their sleep. But daylight savings time is responsible 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: for a spike in deaths, specifically heart attacks. On the 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Monday after daylight savings time, people who report to hospitals 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: with the heart attack goes up by almost really why 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: just to change in time and we're very sensitive creatures 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: and we don't really recognize that. So people get stressed 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden or they get you know, 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: their body is unsorted out if you will, and they 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: get a heart attack. Boom, my goodness c D. Yeah. 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Also just the shock away TV. Hey, okay, b r B, 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: that's crazy. That is ridiculous. Literally, just one hour of 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: time change hoses people to you know, have heart attacks 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: will say, okay, that's that's bunkers. Yeah, we are very 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: light sensitive. You know what else is ridiculous? No hit 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: me with it singing so poorly that you get pinched 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: for disturbing the piece. It sounds like something that could 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: happen to me. This is a ridiculous crime. A podcast 22 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It is 23 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: always murder free and ridiculous. Um are you a good singers, Aaron, Yes, 24 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: yes I am. I am a smooth voice baritone. You go, 25 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: you go all in on your singing. I do. I do. 26 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: I like to sing, even though I do abysmally I know, 27 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: but I love that you're just like there for it. No, 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I think that my real Like I say, you say 29 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: that I had a singing style, it's gusto. You're gonna 30 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: love the dude, I'm gonna tell you about that. It 31 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: sounds like one of my people. Oh yeah, completely, I'm 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: a terrible singer to how wouldn't say that? I sing 33 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: for comic effects. That's not terrible in my book. But 34 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: like I like to do what I call the junior 35 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: high talent showing. You have you have to quote one 36 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: finger to your ear like you're harmonizing in the studio 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: singer totally, and you have to kind of alied over 38 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: all the words because you're not a hundred percent sure 39 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: what the words are. And then and then a whiny tone. 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to need an example. No, no, that's it 41 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: only works in person, and we are in person. Well, 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: there's people listening. There are strangers listening. The other thing 43 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: with junior high talent show singing is that, um, if possible, 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: you you put the you put your say, index finger 45 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: into one ear and then with the other hand you 46 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: have to hold a pen is your microphone, and you 47 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: use your pinky and your ring finger you tap it 48 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: to keep time, kind of like Whitney Houston would do. 49 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: You know, there's just a whole there's a whole thing. 50 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: So it's kind of personal. Maybe is just something you do, 51 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: likeror No. I never did a talent show, never once 52 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: competed because you know what, people gotta pay for my talent. 53 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Oh so if you're good at something, never do it 54 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: for free, right like my celebrity impressions. So anyway back 55 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: to singing, it's super I'm not gonna hit you. It's 56 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: really incredible to be in the presence of someone who 57 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: has good pipes, right. Oh yeah, but you can can 58 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: actually saying if you're like your oldis read his best friend, 59 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: you're still oh completely Do you remember how an American 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: idol people got really into the first couple of weeks 61 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: because it was all the really crap singers. Yeah. I 62 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of musician friends, and that was their 63 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: absolute favorite thing to do, is to gather together and 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: watch those episodes, just dying how bad people could sing. 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: And I, you know, as a bad singer, I wouldn't 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: defend them, but I wasn't nearly as entertained as they were. Right, 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: But I mean, like people who go all in on 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: bad singing, ridiculous hero my people. Right, I want to 69 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: tell you a story about bad singing took place in Lumberton, 70 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: North Carolina, in eighteen seventy two. Wow, not expect that 71 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: not contemporary. Have you ever been to Lumberton? No, not 72 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: that I'm aware of. My father could probably possibly correct that, 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: but I'm sure he's been there, so he's definitely he 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: may have say, he may have taken me through, and 75 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I just do not know. Probably we did a lot 76 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: of traveling. You may not know. You might not have noticed. 77 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: It's kind of a small town in the grand scheme 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: of things. Twenty people say, yeah, and I'm imagine it's 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: in like the hill country with the pines, and since 80 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: it's Lumberton, it's well Yeah, it's that kind of liminal 81 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: space between the coast and Carolina and the Piedmont region. 82 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: So there's like piny woods, but there's swamps um and 83 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: it's on the Lumber River lumber because they would transport 84 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: lumber on it. Um. But actually I think that maybe 85 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: they named it there's a there's I'll get into this anyway. Um, 86 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: it's a big town for that area, Like what are 87 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: you talking um? But you know, from most other places 88 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: you think, oh, it's tiny, and what it's it's I 89 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: grew up in a small town of people people we 90 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: would have laughed at, right. So in the late seventeen 91 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: hundred's early eighteen hundreds, it was a big draw for 92 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people, both white and free. Families of 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: color from Virginia moved to And again it's probably because 94 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: of the Lumber River. Um. The Lumber goes through North Carolina, 95 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: crosses the state line into South Carolina because Lumberton is 96 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: like just above this date line, and then becomes the 97 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: little p D River and that's pe e d E 98 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: not p period deep period and then the little p 99 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: D flows into the regular p D and then goes 100 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: down to Georgetown, South Carolina. So that's that sort of 101 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: waterway up to get supply that Indigo out lumber out 102 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: whatever lumber to build bad stuff. And uh. In Lumberton, 103 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: a high proportion of the population identifies as Lumby Indian. 104 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: And uh, the Lumby Indian that's not really a big 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: widely known populations. Who are the Lumbi Indians. Well, you know, 106 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: this thing is that they are a recognized Native American 107 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: tribe by both the state of North Carolina and federally, 108 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: but they don't get federal benefits because there's no known 109 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: treaty between the Lumbi and the U. S government, So 110 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: they never dealt with the US governments. And then now 111 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: over time the US government eventually said, okay, we recognize you, 112 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: but you are a sovereign nation inside of well, they 113 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: never they were never defeated in a war, never removed 114 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: from their land, so there's no treaty established with them. Um. 115 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: But they're a pretty significant portion of the population. Um 116 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: and uh. They also there's some overlay and bleed in 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: from like Iroquois in New York came down before settlers arrived. Um. 118 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: And then there's like a back and forth and there's 119 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: sort of a beef between the New York Iroquois and 120 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: the faction in North Carolina. That's interesting the New York Iroquois. 121 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if they had some historic like you know, 122 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: family lineage that they remember and the language is the same, 123 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's why I would imagine that it 124 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: must be. Yeah, So it's an interesting You've got this 125 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: really fascinating place. During the Civil War, Lumberton had resistance 126 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: fighters working against the Confederacy for the Union, and they 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to like disrupt Confederate staff. So they're like 128 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: they're attacking supply lines and boats going down the lumber 129 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: but also just like holdings, like they went after the elite. 130 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: And there was this one gang who was already established 131 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: and like stealing livestock and stuff. That was like their 132 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: their gig exactly. And then during the war they went 133 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: political and they really rose up against the white elites 134 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: and it was like poor whites, people of color, free 135 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: or otherwise joined together in this insurgency to take down 136 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: plantations and stuff. It's like Fred Hampton's dreamed of the 137 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition bond. And then they just went like completely 138 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: ham on the power completely completely. So this I'm telling 139 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: you all of this, not just because it's fascinating, but 140 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: to kind of help you understand where we are in Lumberton. 141 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: It's this really interesting place. So while it's small and 142 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty rural, I would say very rural, but people 143 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: there don't think of Lumberton itself is rural. And they 144 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: got a real strong spirit of defiance completely completely and 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: so um it's a little bit more mysterious and interesting 146 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: because of the swampy nature. So the Warrens spoiler and 147 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: then reconstruction began, and that's where we find ourselves. So 148 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I want you to imagine it Lumberton, North Carolina, in 149 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy two. Can you smell the reconstruction. It's a 150 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: quiet Sunday morning. Walking down the street, you pass a 151 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: simple wooden building. It's the Methodist church in town. The 152 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: windows are open, you can hear the words of the pastor. 153 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: And then now, I don't know what you're not. You're 154 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: not in church. I don't want to ask, you know, 155 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: at this time, I don't think that's a very popular 156 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: thing to not be in church on the Sunday morning. However, 157 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: you hear the pastor announced to the congregation to hymn 158 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: they're going to sing. They begin singing. It is absolutely horrible. 159 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: It is unholy, terrifying. I want you to stop. Let's 160 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: listen to some ads. I have to cleanse the palette, 161 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to tell you exactly what was 162 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: happening inside that little church. Yes, I'm gonna need some explanations. 163 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. So. When we left off, you were 164 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: walking down the street in eighteen seventy two in Lumberton, 165 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: North Carolina, cutting Church. I'm on my way. It's a Sunday, 166 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm cruising around. People are going, what's he doing out? 167 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing out? Exactly? Turning around 168 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: on them. You heard Sunday services coming from this Methodist church. 169 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: You stopped to listen. I do want to say, on 170 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: a side note, there's a really good chance, since this 171 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: was a Methodist church in the eighteen hundreds, that there 172 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: was no piano, accompaniment or organ or anything. I've been 173 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: trying to figure out if that's the case. Did they 174 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: have musical instruments? I could. It was hard trying to 175 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: figure out if this was a particular I don't know 176 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: denomination sect of the Methodist Church UM, but a lot 177 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: of them didn't use instruments for once in my life. 178 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to try and be historically accurate. Let's let's 179 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: hear it. I don't think I can do it. I'm 180 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: going to go with my default of making things up. 181 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: So let's pretend you're walking down and you hear the 182 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: preacher and then you hear a cassio keyboard with the 183 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: samba beat startup. You're shocked, Like, once you get over 184 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: this anachronistic detail, how is there electricity batteries? Where did 185 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: that keyboard come from? Is it made of wood? What's 186 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: going on here? And why is time traveling? Zarin? Playing it? 187 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: A brother gotta eat? Can you imagine like you walk 188 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: by this church in eighteen seventy two Lumberton, and you 189 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: look in the window and there's you, blue dreadlocked Zaren, 190 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: like just hammering away at a cassio keyboard to the 191 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: and people are terrified. They're just soiling themselves. I can't 192 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: imagine that. I like imagining that, alright, So let's get 193 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: let's work through that deep breath. You hear the singing start, 194 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: so amid the quiet tones of the congregants, rises a 195 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: beast and that man's voice is like no other. It 196 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: is loud, it is out of time, it is out 197 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: of tune. It's me it very well could be. You 198 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: know what you're hearing is the distinctive non dulcet tones 199 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: of William Lincolf, my man, William Lincolf. William Lincolf born 200 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: in Prussia in the early eight hundreds. At some point 201 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: he makes his way to North Carolina. How why who knows? 202 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm thinking a boat. I think he flew on a 203 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: Cassio keyboard. He to Cassio keyboard like a surfboard across 204 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. But Zuckerberg just above the water, and he 205 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: had like white face paint on like Zucherberg, and he 206 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: was a cyborg. So he gets to North Carolina and 207 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: he takes a young bride works as a tailor. They 208 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: turn out a bunch of kids. That's the customer of 209 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: the day. He was super super religious, deeply powerfully religious. 210 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: And the way that he expressed that devotion was through 211 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the gift of song. But you said he sings terrible. Yeah, yeah, 212 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: so he doesn't care about the gift he's offering the Lord. Now, 213 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: all you can say is his way of worshiping is 214 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: like vigorous Manus. He sings at an absolute deafening volume, 215 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of like someone I know else, So everyone else is, 216 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, just like normal volume, and he is voice 217 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: imodulation to order, like so loud um full throated, like 218 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: he's just all in on it. He sings all the 219 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: notes in all the keys, so like there's no discernible tune. 220 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: He's just all over the map with this. And this 221 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: is my favorite thing about him. He keeps singing after 222 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: it's so after the song it's over. What does that mean? 223 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: Like he's just making a well, like he's not singing 224 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: along with everyone else like this. It reminds me of um. 225 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: In my my work, people have birthdays, as happens in humanity, 226 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: and then they're like zoom meetings where people then, you know, 227 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, people are apart, so they sing 228 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: happy birthday to each other on zoom and no one 229 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: is singing at the same time, and it's like this 230 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: crazy cacophony. Why no singing at the same time delays 231 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: technologically or men tie, I don't know, just like so 232 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: it's all over the place, And that's kind of how 233 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I think of LINKA. So that people are singing and 234 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: then they get to the end of the song and 235 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: he's still got about four bars left, so he's just 236 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: going bar right no, And like everyone everyone's just sitting 237 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: there silently side eyeing him. So he keeps time for 238 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: no tune. No man, you know, he's just so he's 239 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: in his mind. He's he's serving the Lord. This is 240 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: the best way he knows how. Don't hide your light 241 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: under a bushel. If he thinks he's bringing him closer 242 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: to God, it's the best he can do. Then hey, 243 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: there it is he live laugh, live laugh, lo catterwall 244 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: sing like nobody's listening. Are you okay over there? Yes, 245 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: we had like a total mind meld there we did. 246 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: Um I like live laugh, look Catterwall, that's nice, thank you. 247 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: It's l apostrophe Catterwall, Catterwall. Uh. But he's he thinks 248 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: that like he can do this, and so should you. 249 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: Everybody just sing let it out, don't know rules, just vibes, 250 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: lift up, herents, make a joyful noise. Preacher, those getting 251 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: complaints from who? Everybody? I thought they all say no, 252 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: just him. Everyone else sings like an absolute angel. I'm 253 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: only here in the one dude's voice overtaking all the 254 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: rest of them. I thought they were all singing. He 255 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: was just the worst. I wish example, No, that would 256 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: be amazing. No, it's everyone's singing like peacefully, perfectly, your 257 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: typical church singing. And then he he comes like stomping 258 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: in on his like vocal moon boots on everybody. But 259 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: I was down in the Los Angeles, been visiting my 260 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: mother and went to Hurt Church and there was a 261 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: woman who was two rows behind me who was doing 262 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: pretty much what you're describing. And I got to watch 263 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: people in real time be like looking around on my 264 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I forgive her what. We're in church. Don't you think 265 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: that like most church congregations or most religious congregations in 266 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: which there is singing to be had, there's there's always 267 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: someone depends. I mean, we're also where I grew up, 268 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: people wouldn't do that just out of like, you know, 269 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: their own self protection. Where she was like, I don't care, 270 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm singing what because me and the Lord are together 271 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: right now? And I was like, oh wow. But I 272 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: was into it because she was feeling it. Everyone else 273 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: was like shooting like cold eye stairs and I'm like, judge, 274 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: not a church, yeah, Judge, not anyway exactly. Well. I 275 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: can remember growing up there were kids who would sort 276 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: of just kind of drift in and out of it. 277 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: Little kids who didn't weren't worried about peer pressure or anything. 278 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, you're three and four year old. I love 279 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: that totally, Like anyone acting up somewhere like where it's 280 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: not hurting anybody anyway. Anyone is fully engaged. Yeah, I 281 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: love full engagement. So the preachers getting complaints, there's a 282 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: significant portion of the congregation that finds it absolutely hilarious, 283 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: like they're just cracking up. I would be one of 284 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: those people, and I would be encouraging him. No, go on, 285 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: hey can we get William like a solo on this 286 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: next one? Because my spirit I think of when I 287 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: think of what his singing is like, I think of 288 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: that recording of Enrique Iglesias singing at a concert and 289 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: then Mike picked up his actual singing and not the 290 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: prerecorded track that the audience was getting. I don't remember this, 291 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: Oh okay, search on YouTube Enrique Iglesias live Fail Rhythm Divine, 292 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: and I promise you you will never hear That's well, 293 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: first of all, we don't hear that song as much 294 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: as we used to have to. But if you it's 295 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: the best thing. And that's how I imagine link also 296 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: check it out. That's my modern day linkol and my 297 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: my idea. Anyway, so some people find it hilarious, there's 298 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: a whole other group that finds it so appalling that 299 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: they have to take action. The They convinced the preacher 300 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: to stop singing in the services altogether. The preacher so 301 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: that way lincol can't. Yeah, they're like, guess what if 302 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: you don't nobody's singing now? He just he just reads 303 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: the words to the hymn. He's basically reading a psalm, 304 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: and they're They're like, don't nobody sing this. I'm just 305 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: going to read it, no joyful noise like Rex Harrison, 306 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: my fair Lady talks singing, no none, none. And so 307 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: the congregation, though, they don't like that, because of course 308 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: they want to lift up their hearts right there's they've 309 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: got the spirit, they need the tunes. Um. So the 310 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: singing starts up again, and Lincoln was like, yeah, I'm 311 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: going to aurally assault my fellow man, just ram it 312 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: into him. Um. After one really solemn and moving sermon, 313 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: a leading member of the church gets up walks over 314 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: to Link off. Now, luckily I was able to find 315 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: a transcription of their conversation. Oh this is a rare 316 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: from two good thank you from research. Thanks so much. 317 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: So he walks up study Link. I was like, hey, hey, listen, 318 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: what the preacher just said was pretty heavy, totally. He's like, oh, 319 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: you get it. Cool? Cool, and then Link starts to 320 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: breathe in. No, no, no, no, wait, draw your brakes there, Willie, 321 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: what do you mean? He says, well, when you're seeing 322 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: it makes people. And Willie says joyful and bathed in 323 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the love of Christ, not exactly. The other guy says, 324 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: well what then, well, most of these folks laugh loud 325 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: a lot, Like I said, the preacher's sermon really serious, 326 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: and Willy said, yeah, you know it was. Well Widow 327 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: Martin over there, she's quietly sobbing yikes. As Willie, Oh 328 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: that that totally sucks. Now this is again, word for work, 329 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: total transcription. I was like, so, maybe you could go 330 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: ahead and not sing this one, you know, just sit 331 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: it out. And Willie's like, you know what, dude, you 332 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: know I sing for the Lord. And they're just having 333 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: this staring contest. Guys like, well this time. The Lord 334 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: wants you to put a cork in it. He just 335 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: told me so. Linka was like, all right, point taken, 336 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: doesn't sing on that one. Everyone's overjoyed. They're like singing along. 337 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: They just had this really moving sermon. They just watched 338 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: this conversation happen, and one of them happened to have 339 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: a transcription machine that was came with it came with 340 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: the cassio keyboard, and so she's like reading it back 341 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: to the congregation. It was an amazing sight. It sounds 342 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: like moving. It was, and it really I don't know 343 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: why we don't have a movie of that yet. But 344 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: so he gets it, he realizes, don't do this, and 345 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: that's going to come in later, so keep that in mind. 346 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: At one point he's able to be talked out of it. 347 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: A Christmas miracle. Yeah, But the next time lincols like 348 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm all in baby starts and after that, the elder 349 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: presiding elder in the church, he's like, guess what, I'm 350 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: not preaching anymore. If you're going to do this, you're 351 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: gonna make a mess of this. I'm not doing it. 352 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't preach. Wow, what would Jesus say? He would say, oh, 353 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: so someone hasn't seen Jesus Christ Superstar. Like yeah. They 354 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: gather everybody up and they tell him to dress like 355 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: they're in Jesus Christ Superstar and they he's a tailor. 356 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: He makes the outfits for everybody. They so much fringe 357 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: at this point. The so the pastor the church leaders, 358 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: they meet with Lincolf. They call him in and they 359 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: confront him about this, tell him to pipe it down again. 360 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: On Monday. They're like, hey, you got to come by 361 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: the church. Could you just stop by, like, you know, 362 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: just we got I got a little something to you know, 363 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: work on with you. And he thinks, oh great, you 364 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: know we can. We're going to build the Easter display. 365 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: In the the finals for choir trying outs come on Willie. 366 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: So he goes down there like you know what pipe down? 367 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Actually pipe off? Turn it off? That was a really 368 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: popular phrase. Then, um, you're causing a disturbance. They tell him, 369 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're ruining the worship for everybody and linkas response, now, 370 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: I do have a direct quote from this, and I'm 371 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna do his errand and I quote, I will worship 372 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: my God and that as part of my worship. It 373 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: is my duty to sing. Don't get in the way 374 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: of the man's duty. So, um, I really want to 375 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: stop for one second and wonder what his wife and 376 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: kids made of this. Oh, he's married. I was always 377 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: pictured No, but I was picturing him always is like 378 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: not like a confirmed bachelor. But I mean like the 379 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: guy in town who's like he's never going to be married. 380 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: Well that's the behavior of like this, like loose cannon. 381 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: But he's got a wife and a bunch of kids. 382 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: So imagine what is the wife doing. Dude, I don't know, 383 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: but I know what the kids are doing. Because my 384 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: mother can't sing, is she My mom says that when 385 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: my brother and I were little, and she would try 386 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: and sing us like bedtime songs or like you know, 387 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: lullaby we're like the songs for the sleep, they're called lullabyes. Guys, 388 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: um we my brother she has she's so tone deaf, 389 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: and my brother and I would say, please stop. Tender 390 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: tender moment when your children look up to you and say, mommy, 391 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: please stop singing. Put to their little hands on your 392 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: mouth to close it. Mother. I don't. I don't have 393 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: any memory of that. But also it's like super young apparently. 394 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: Um So I apologize to her for however, and I 395 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: was like, well, you know that's why I stopped singing 396 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: to you. Um yeah, the kids? Where's the wife? Deaf? 397 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: Where the kids? Were they all bad singers? Were they 398 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: proud of his love of God? You know? I would 399 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: imagine that they devote What if they all just had 400 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: like they were absolute songbirds, like they just had beautiful voices, 401 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: that would be awesome. Yeah, that'd be funny and that. 402 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: And yet they also know like how important it is 403 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: to him and how pious he is. The letter rip, 404 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: They're like this pony wants to run. Just open up, baby, 405 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: and I digress as usual. Um so, how can you 406 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: argue against his need to sing in order to feed 407 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: his soul? Really? Obviously, clearly I cannot. Lincoln keeps singing. 408 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: He just keeps, and it splits the congregation again hilarious 409 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: versus irritated. Are there any defenders who are like the 410 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: brothers feeling Lord speaking in voices? He's speaking in whatever 411 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: that is. So the indignant worshippers they they'd had enough. 412 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: They go to the law. They can't take it anymore. Yeah, 413 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: he gets indicted for disturbing a religious congregation, and it 414 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: goes to trial in the spring term the Robeson County 415 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: Superior Court eighty three. So when we get back from 416 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: these beautiful ads dulcet tones, I'm going to tell you 417 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: about what happened in court. Please all right. So when 418 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: we left off, William lincolf of Lumberton, North Carolina, Billy 419 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: Links he'd been charged with disturbing the piece due to 420 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: horrendous singing. So he goes to trial over this. Judge 421 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Daniel L. Russell second, No, do we know? Do we 422 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: know if he represented himself and he did not. He 423 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: got he got himself a lawyer. Good for him, because 424 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: I was just wondering it seemed like kind of possibly 425 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: a chance. Went he went to a guy and said, 426 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: suit up, put on your best sear, sucker, we're going 427 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: to court doing this. Come on, man, fighting for the song. Exactly. 428 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: So Daniel L. Russell is the judge presiding over the trial. 429 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: He later becomes the forty nine governor of North Carolina. 430 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Was totally unrelated to this incident. And at the trial, 431 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: the state calls a ton of witnesses. They have done 432 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: for a second, the whole churchloads think about how ridiculous 433 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: it is for this to be at trial. How little 434 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: do they have going on that they'll spend an entire 435 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's like they're not going to make complete out. 436 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: They're not going, oh yeah, that the judge didn't just 437 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: dismiss it on off hands right now? Come on, it's ridiculous. 438 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: I am a busy person. It goes to trial. So 439 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: one of the witnesses calls by this called by the state, 440 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: is a fellow congregant, and the prosecutor says to the witness, 441 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: will explain what his singing sounds like. Do you need 442 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: a demonstration? This is why I'm so irritated that court 443 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: TV didn't exist in eighteen seventy three. That does no 444 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: one think of me what I need in my life. 445 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I need the following scene in my life, and it's you. 446 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: You can only read about it. I need to hear it. 447 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: So the witness says, the only way I can convey 448 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: it is to imitate it sound that old legal practice. 449 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear a song went a little 450 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: to something like this. The only that he's on the 451 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: stand he or she, It's never specified. They just say 452 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: the witness, so gender neutral witness his wife, don't put 453 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: this in the court record. She's she's got like a 454 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: like a potato bag over her head so that she 455 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: can't be identified. She's like garbling her voice. I think 456 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: mustache and a monocle. She's kind of man in her 457 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: house dress. He's like that, that gentleman looks oddly like 458 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: my sweet Eliza. Um. I don't know what his wife's 459 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: name was anyhow, so says he has to that witness ses, 460 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I have to imitate it, and then totally lets loose 461 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: on what is recorded as being a very close rendition 462 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: of the way that he Croon's all hell breaks loose 463 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. People lose it. The entire place is dying, laughing, 464 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: doubled over. Everybody's lapping at an imitation of it. The 465 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: entire gallery right, all the lawyers, his own, included the jury. 466 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: This is a jury trial, by the way, not a 467 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: bench trial. How what was the VOI dear like in 468 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: this jury trial? Is they're selecting the jury, They're like, hey, 469 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: can you sing us a couple of bars? So everyone's 470 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: doubled over, like people can't breathe. They're just like, hold 471 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: on this, we can stop. They're cracking up um, and 472 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: it was determined that, yeah, that's a disturbing that is 473 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: a complete disturbance. And then the issue becomes, well, did 474 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: he intend to disturb? Did he know he was disturbing people? Now? 475 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: So remember when he's convinced not to sing that time. 476 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: I think I like to say it was agreeing out 477 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: of the kindness of his heart and the solemnity of 478 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: the moment. But sure, we can go with your It 479 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: shows he knows like disturbing, you know, the mayonnaise out 480 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: of this place, and so he's capable of not singing 481 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: when necessary and when asked on a one off yes, 482 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: was it intentional all the other times? Then I mean whatever. Well, 483 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: so it's kind of the question of does he mistake 484 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: the salt for sugar or did he just one time 485 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: put it in and one time remember not to put 486 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: it in. I think he doesn't need to know the 487 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: difference between salt and sugar in this case, and he's 488 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: just thinking. It's why he's crystally what's different about what 489 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: you're doing what I'm doing? Yeah, that could be. It 490 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: could be. So they get all these other witnesses to 491 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: come forward. They're all talking about how how disruptive it is, 492 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: and it is a disturbance of the piece. But they're 493 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: also witnesses that come forward and they're like, you know, 494 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: he's a really strict member of this church he has. 495 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: One of them said he had exemplary deportment. Thank you, 496 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: just like you and so and just in his behalf 497 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: representing you channel him a lot. I feel for him. Yea, 498 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: so he I know you do, he means, but he's 499 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: dead serious about it. So it's not like he's some 500 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: clown just looking to cause trouble and acting up. The 501 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: boy couldn't help it. He had to. He had to 502 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: hit him up. He had to hit him up Prussian style. 503 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: So Lincolf comes up to testify and he begs the 504 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: jury when to think of it this way. He says, 505 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: if I didn't intend to disturb anyone, then I must 506 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: not be guilty. It's pretty fair, right what his speaking 507 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: voice was like, however, he was like all talking. I 508 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: like to imagine that he got up and said, if 509 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I didn't want to disturb anybody, like he's just quiet 510 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: and meek and like really precise, if I didn't want 511 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: to disturb anybody, like really precise elocution. And then he's 512 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: like and ready. Oh I wonder if dogs held. When 513 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: he's saying so, he's like, look, dude, if I didn't 514 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: want to disturb anyone, then I'm not guilty. The judge 515 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: is like, you big, Nope, I'm going to stop you 516 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: right there, Mr Lincolf, what's up, Mr judge? The judge says, 517 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: He turns and tells the jury listen. Intent had nothing 518 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: to do with it, and or not. The question is 519 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: whether his act of singing was disturbing to others. So 520 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: did it disturb the congregation? Yes? Or no? Not? Did 521 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: he mean to so? Then their opinion of the disturbance 522 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: is the only measure of a disturbance. That's what he's saying. 523 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: He's like, if they got disturbed, they were disturbed, right, 524 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: which I guess is a good measure. Yeah, But that's 525 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: like the measure for violence, which is like, I have 526 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: the right to swing my fist right up till it 527 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: hit your nose, and then it's like, okay, my right ends. 528 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: But him singing is a little different. He can't, like, 529 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, swing his voice in a way that doesn't 530 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: hit noses. If he stayed at home, If he stay 531 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: at home and minded his own catterwalls in his own walls. 532 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: He the judge says, Okay, under these parameters, the evidence 533 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: is clear that he did that. He's guilty. I'd say 534 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: forgive him. And the judge is like, and I co quote, 535 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: it's a general principle that every man is presumed to 536 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: have intended the necessary consequences of his own acts. I 537 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: do not agree with that. That doesn't make even a 538 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: lick of sense. And this guy goes on to become 539 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: governor that every man is presumed to have intended the 540 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: necessary What? What the hell? How many times do we 541 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: see people do stuff where we do in our own life, 542 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: where we we don't know how think what the consequences 543 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: are going, to act out of emotion before you can 544 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: act out of reason, and then you rationalize what what 545 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: you did? Well, you know, I have to understand why 546 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: I did that. I think we've determined that the judge 547 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: was a sociopath. No slander intended. It's a joke, people. 548 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: I don't want his estate coming after. So the judge 549 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: Shocker finds Lincol guilty of the misdemeanor of disturbing a 550 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: religious congregation, and as a punishment, he loved to find 551 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: against him. No, man, how much you hit him with 552 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: four million dollars and in today's money now, like you know, 553 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: you gotta like work at the lumber yard or like, 554 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: because he finds him one penny. So it's largely symbolic. 555 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: So they just wanted to embarrass my dude. Yeah, totally 556 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: and make him run up his court fees, I guess 557 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: because he's um. But that's not where this story ends. 558 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: I hope it ends with him being elected to governor. 559 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: It ends with him winning American Idol the very did 560 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: you know he was the first winner of American Idol. 561 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: Lincoln William Lincoln. He appeals the decision because he's no fool, 562 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: and his case makes it to the North Carolina Supreme Court. 563 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: He literally does make it to the highest court, state 564 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. They review the case and the evidence, and 565 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: they determined that let me read to you the end 566 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: of their decision. This is a coup quote. Yes, yeah, 567 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: that's for you. I do it all for you and 568 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: your quotes. It was not contended by the state upon 569 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: the evidence that he had any intention or purpose to 570 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: disturb the congregation, but on the contrary, it was it 571 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: was admitted that he was conscientiously taking part in the 572 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: religious services. This admission by the state puts an end 573 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: to the prosecution. It is true, as said by His Honor, 574 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: that a man is generally presumed to intend the consequences 575 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: of his acts, But here the presumption is rebutted by 576 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: a fact admitted by the state. It would seem that 577 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: the defendant is a proper subject for the discipline of 578 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: his church, but not for the discipline of the courts. 579 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: Thank you separation of church and state. Son, right, this 580 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: church needs to handle their own business and not go 581 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: crying and or you know that what they could do 582 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: forgive him just gonna keep saying that that would be amazing. Yeah, 583 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: but I mean it's like handle your business in your 584 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: own house. Isn't this why Jesus gave you all those 585 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: rules or whatever? Is because of the moments where you 586 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: don't want to when you don't get what you want 587 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: or you don't want you know, you're somebody's saying, You're like, 588 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: I wish you would stop. You're like, you know what 589 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: I need to be better? I should turn the other cheek. 590 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: I should forgive him. Like all the messages are literally 591 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: about those moments. I mean, usually much grander terms of 592 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: violence and suffering. But you know, I think that time 593 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: traveling Zeron should go give a sermon about this at 594 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: the church. Give me my time machine back right, and 595 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: then just like like you know what I'm gonna I 596 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: think we've all learned a lesson here today, people, and 597 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: then you launch into a Meanwhile, they're just like then 598 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: they run me out of town. Yeah, we're both gonna 599 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: put a pin in that one. Um. So, I don't 600 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: know what happened to William Lincoln after that. I don't 601 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: know if he found a new church. This was his 602 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: one wild moment where he made the news. Yeah. I 603 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: don't think he wanted to. I don't think so. But 604 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean just saying that this was in his life. 605 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: This boiled down to the record recorded event. Yeah. Well, 606 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: and from what I could find, um in all the records, 607 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: that's his it. You know. There's there's some like census 608 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: appearances by him. And then he lived out the rest 609 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: of his days right there in Lumberton. So he got 610 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: celebrated today. Yeah, well, he gets celebrated all over the world. 611 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: The stories I am not I am both real and surreal. 612 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. I meant to say I am so 613 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: real right now, this story the the wire service for 614 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: this article get and the information on it gets sent 615 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: all over the world. It's printed in papers all across 616 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: the United States. So this guy's name. But did the 617 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: Mark Twain write about him? How did everybody he wanted? 618 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: If you get like, if you look in the archives 619 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: of newspapers at the time, it's it's all over the 620 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: United's are global phenomenon one Europe. They reprinted the story 621 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: in Europe. They ran a story about it in New 622 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: Zealand Williams in their Lives, I guess, or they're just like, 623 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: look at these ways, just one guy. Yeah, but no, 624 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: everyone loves this story. And uh, legal journals at the 625 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: time they reprinted the case because it was just like 626 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: the most ridiculous court case, like look at this. And 627 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: then in some of the some of the journals um 628 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: to add to the ridiculousness, they published poems about the case. 629 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's so awesome how poems 630 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: were like a part of everyday life back then. You know, 631 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: they wouldn't write a poem about that, oh yeah, and 632 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: they'd be in the paper. And people memorize poems. People 633 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: wrote their own poems. We need that again, well not really, 634 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. Um so the poems 635 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: and then for decades up until today these modern time 636 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: well us right here. But also i'd say every twenty 637 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: thirty years, it gets someone writes an article in a 638 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: in a newspaper about you know what the most ridiculous 639 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: court case was, like a legal academic thing that just 640 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: keeps getting kicked around because every but it's in like 641 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: regular like daily papers of just you know, you want 642 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: to hear a wacky story. It's filler, but it's crazy 643 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: that he made it all the way through. You know 644 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: who I can imagine telling the heck out of this story? 645 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Uh not me? Apparently Paul Harvey and page two that guy, 646 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: because he'd always surprise you. You'd be like, wait, whoa 647 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: And that guy turned out to be Dwight die Eisenhower. 648 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: You're like, oh man, you got me a game. Paul Harvey. 649 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: I would like to hear Steve Harvey. Apparently you want 650 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: to hear anyone but me tell it like that. I 651 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: just thought, so if I'm talking about other people telling 652 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: this story, yeah, thank you for telling that story. Let 653 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: me tell you who would have told it better. You 654 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: know who would have been better? Anybody? Thanks? Thanks much. 655 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: You know what, why don't you take a little bit 656 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: of your own advice? Nice? I was thinking, like legal 657 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: scholars in journalists the story, and I was like, you know, 658 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: it would be a great journalist to tell this story. 659 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: Is Paul Harvey? Because not a clown like this, Gal. 660 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: I didn't sure. I'm funny to you. I make you laugh, 661 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: give me my baseball bat. So they like it's weird 662 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: crimes in courts whatever that other people can tell far 663 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: better than I just did. No worries. No worries, bro 664 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: When now tell me, expert, was your ridiculous take away 665 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: that you think that more people should be writing poems 666 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: or people should write poems? Be no, they shouldn't. Point counterpoint. 667 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: I'm just going to argue with myself about this. I 668 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: really long for the days when poetry was important. But oh, 669 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: hot biscuits, I do not want to hear anyone's poems 670 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: right now. I want someone to come up to me 671 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: and tell me they wrote a poem about something, and 672 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: I can say, stop, this is not the time for that, 673 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: and that will just be all the time. That's a 674 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: very poetic moment. I think that my feelings about this 675 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: would best be expressed in song. Please. I think that 676 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: there's two ridiculous elements that play here. Someone sings so badly, 677 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: that's I love that ridiculousness, but also that someone gets 678 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: charged for singing so badly. Yeah, I'm completely make this top. 679 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: Like I grew up it in town where a lady 680 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: got charged for snoring so loudly. Her neighbors called the police, right, 681 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: and people that made fun of us that they were 682 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: on the Daily Show. They interviewed the cop and everything. 683 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: It was embarrassing, But this totally tops that. I think 684 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: that this that's maybe she's his descendant, just like a 685 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: spiritual descendant. I think it's really important that we remember 686 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: that every single person, you know, we find connection and 687 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: purpose and meaning in different ways, and like our beliefs 688 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: are our own. You know, you may be like part 689 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: of a group that believes all the same thing, but 690 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's just you and 691 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: whomever you believe in. Um. You know, I'm always saying like, 692 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: as long as you're not hurting anyone, I don't care 693 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: what you do. But then we have to define hurting, 694 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: Like how I don't know is that is his sonic 695 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: attack qualify as pain or suffering? And is he interrupting 696 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: other people's opportunity to be connected to something like at 697 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: that time, any of them would want to a solemn 698 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: communion with the Lord, and he was making that impult. 699 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: I think they should have just kicked him out. I 700 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: don't understand, like, this isn't the place for you. Go 701 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: find another for you, Like put your finger up to 702 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: his lips. This isn't the place. The stories are always 703 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: a except for to you. Sorry, William, maybe trying to baptist. 704 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: They can't sing for anything. No way, he would not 705 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: make it in any church. He has to start his 706 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: own church, maybe the Church of the Wild, I think, 707 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: And then it's just him and a bunch of wolves 708 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: just like yowling all over the country. He could have 709 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: found one of them snake handler churches. I don't think 710 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: they have like real high requirements inside that building. But 711 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: I say, like, you know what, don't take it to 712 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: the lock. Just kick him out, start your own church 713 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: and beds. I'm in favor of people to be kicked out. 714 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: That's all I have to say on the matter. I'm done. 715 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: You don't have to go home, But can't you know, 716 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: why don't you go find someone else to tell you? 717 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: This is the rest of the page two. Well, you 718 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: can find us online you the collective you at Ridiculous 719 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: Crime on both Twitter and Instagram, And if you have 720 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: a tip for us about a ridiculous crime that you 721 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: want to hear about out, or if you want to 722 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: confess to a ridiculous crime, you can email us at 723 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. 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