WEBVTT - Ep 66: Stella Donnelly 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:02.800 Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.880 It's late listeners, welcome to a brand new Midnight Chats, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.320 the third one of this fresh run of episodes, series seven, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.960 and I think it's going quite well so far. Cheers 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.160 to Stuart for last week's podcast. That was Jason Williamson 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.040 from Sleaford Mods chatting about eating spoons of mayonnaise out 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.279 of the fridge. Really enjoyed that. And before that we 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.360 had Yannis from Foles helping us kick the whole thing off. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.480 And we're here with you every Thursday at midnight for 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.320 the next eight weeks or so. Now. As I said 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.000 in that series opener, we spent the time in between 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.200 finishing the last series and starting this current one recording 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.840 new chats. And the one you're listening to here was 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.279 back in January on Blue Monday, the so called most 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.560 depressing day of the year. I think that's just some 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.320 bloney cooked up in a marketing boardroom somewhere to sell 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.840 a few gym memberships. But saying that, it was dark 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.039 and it was very cold in our drafting office, and 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.560 about twelve hours after this, London was covered in a 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.800 deep blanket of snow, so it was peak winter Bleakness. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.600 So thank you to this Evening's guest Stella Donnelly for 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.399 coming by to cheer us up with her infectious energy. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.720 We've wanted Stella on the podcast for a while. We 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.280 featured her in our magazine Loud and Quiet a few 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.760 years back when she first came to London from Australia 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.320 to play a show. That was after we'd heard Thrush 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.320 Metal Heir first EP, and she's done so much in 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.480 the time since. When we recorded this, she was on 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.240 a whistle stop tour of Europe to talk about her 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.800 debut album, Beware of the Dogs, which very conveniently is 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.680 out now on Secretly Canadian and all of the reviews 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.400 I've read have been deservedly full of praise. And this 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:23.000 conversation goes to a few disparate places. As a child, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.360 Stella spent a few years living in Swansea before moving 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.400 to Australia, so we talk about her connections to Wales, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.079 her memories of that time, stereophonics and catatonia and all 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.320 of that. We got onto hypnotherapy and how that's helped 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.680 her fear of flying also stick with us because towards 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.720 the end of this she tells a great story about 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.120 something her dad did on her eighteenth birthday in front 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.320 of all of her family and friends, and he sounds 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.640 like a total character. And before we get into this, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.400 just to clarify something if you don't know Stella's work 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.600 that well, we talk about a song called Boys Will 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.079 Be Boys, which is a track that Stella wrote about 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.720 a friend's experience of rape. And that's a key bit 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.560 of info to contextualize the stuff where we're talking about 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.720 the significance and the power of that song. In fact, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.040 the album generally doesn't shy away from issues that could 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.480 be perceived as heavier like that, and that's what makes 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.720 it essential. But it also mixes that alongside a wicked, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.160 sweary sense of humor that I think also comes out 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.120 in this conversation. So the best thing you can do 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.280 is go and give that album a listen, or even 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.520 better still, go and see Stella live. Just finally, apologies 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.640 to any Welsh listeners for my rubbish attempt at the accent. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.240 Definitely not my strong point. You'd have thought i'd been 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.120 better at that considering that I lived there for a 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.640 couple of years. Anyway, here we go. This is Stella 0:03:55.720 --> 0:04:16.560 Dunnley on Midnight Chats episode sixty six. Before we start, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.920 I just wanted to check when you were dreaming about 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.440 a successful career in music, is this how you imagine 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.880 it would be. You'd be in a kind of pokey 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.800 office in East London on a cold January day with 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.880 basically one heater there. It's probably just about keeping us 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.960 both alive. This is the height of glamour, isn't It's funny. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.080 You said that I had. I had this exact dream. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.080 I think on the twenty third of November ninety ninety four. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.680 I think I was two years old and I had 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.200 this dream that I was I was going to be 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.640 here speaking to you, Greg. So thank you for making 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.760 it happen. Yeah, thank you. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.440 Welcome. I'm glad we could just make that dream. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.000 Thank you. I really appreciate it. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.800 Today's Today's Blue Monday, apparently, I think originated as an 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.560 artificially created sales thing, a bit like you know, things 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.080 like Black Fridays. Yes, it's apparently the most depressing day 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.200 of the year in the Northern Hemisphere. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.280 Right yeah. Yeah, in Australia, we're all partying down there. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.760 That's the happiest day ever. But you know up here. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.279 Yeah, this is this is supposed to be the most 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.560 miserable day of the year. But I think this podcast 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.360 we're going to We're going to cheers some people up. Yeah. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.680 Yeah, absolutely, Well I just got some real Joni Mitchell 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.640 blue kind of vibes and that actually made me feel 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.560 more cozy than depressed. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:30.000 Yeah. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.359 Maybe that's the Australian in me though maybe this is 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.920 also novel. Up here, it's so cold, You're far too 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:40.760 cold and cute, so cute with your miserable cold, your scars, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.600 your frostbite. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.000 So how long have you been in London? 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.880 Have you just arrived twenty four hours ago? But not 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.479 from Australia, So I came from America, so I'm not 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.360 too jet lagged. I'm kind of Yeah. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.599 So back home at the moment in Australia, I don't 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.200 know what it's like on the West Coast, but certainly 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.840 parts of Australia are going through a record breaking heatweight. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.400 Yeah totally. I mean it's the same in the West. Yeah. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.920 We're lucky in my hometown in Fremantle, and we're lucky 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.839 to have the ocean right there, so we do get 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.520 the breeze that comes in at around like four o'clock. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.600 We talk about the wind so much in Perth and 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.600 in Freemantle and my partner noticed it because he he's 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.120 from Melbourne and he noticed how much we talk about 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.680 the breeze and the sea breeze and we call it 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.640 the Freemantle Doctor actually, and it's like the doctor comes 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.640 in and the doctor's in. Oh, when's the doctor coming 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.920 in today? Like because it's a big wind. Like, it's 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.320 a big breeze, especially like in the winter time. Sometimes 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.520 the doctor just stays in for three months, you know, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.200 and it's this whipping wind over the Indian Ocean and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.400 sometimes it brings in like some interesting smells from out 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.920 on the boats, like the live exports ships and some 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.080 you know, terrible things. But yeah, it's a really so 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.400 we've kind of got that breeze that comes in and 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.120 you know that you should go to the beach in 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.640 the morning because in the afternoon you're just gonna get 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.400 sand everywhere. And you know, it's we're very much like 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.279 in touch with that. So we're lucky to have the 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.400 Freeo Doctor in summer because it kind of you know, 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:05.840 cools the heat wave a little bit. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.760 I'm going to ask you a little about Fremantle in 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.560 a bit. And also you've been writing songs and performing 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.400 around like the Perth area for a number of years. 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.240 But in terms of the people that have maybe heard 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.720 your name but don't necessarily know your story that well, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:23.680 you do have British connections, Welsh connections in particular. Tell 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.520 me and those people are listening a little bit about that. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:32.440 Well, Hello Stella from the Valleys, now right, how you 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:33.440 doing all right? 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.360 It's pretty good. Yeah, it's got a little bit of 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:35.960 ness there. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.960 Yeah, yeah, it's a nest kneel. Are you doing all right? 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:40.040 Yeah? 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.440 So I my mum is Welsh and we my dad's 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.920 Aussie and we moved up to Wales from Australia when 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.600 I was about five and we went to a Welsh 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.320 speaking school, so shout out to bed Bach speak a 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.960 little bit of Welsh. And it comes back whenever I 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.680 come home, you know, it comes back whenever I come back, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.800 you know, and then it goes way again whenever I'm 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.360 back in Australia. But and yeah, I lived here for 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.760 I think about three years, four years, not very long, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.160 and then moved back to Australia. But that time in 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.120 my life I think you're such a sponge at that age, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.400 you know, till about ten years old, you're such a sponge. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.720 So that part of my life is so vivid and 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.640 it's such a I consider it such a big part 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.720 of my identity. And I guess the Welsh culture is 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.720 so strong and proud and you know full, and in Australia, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 as a white Australian, you know, we don't really have that. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.240 We've got beautiful culture and we've got beautiful things, but 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.439 there's nothing really historical and deeply entrenched like the Welsh. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.120 You know, the Welsh language and songs and poetry and 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.960 all of those things, so food, everything. So having that 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.800 part of my childhood was a really beautiful and I 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.559 feel really lucky. It was a beautiful thing and I 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.720 feel really lucky to have had that. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.800 What kind of strong memories from that period? Is it 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.560 the beautiful kind of sandy beaches of South Wales? Was it? 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:57.480 The definitely not? 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.320 I got some other and I speech memories unfortunately, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.120 well no, yeah, I mean the beaches were nice, but 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.840 it was mostly this, you know, for me, it was 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.680 I'd come from Australia, so the beaches were like, you know, okay, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.040 but you know, sorry, no offense. But and then but 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.599 it was really kind of I guess it was my 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.160 mum's family. You know, my aunties are both actors and 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.439 they're both kind of really really interesting and intelligent and 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.880 larger than life characters. So and my grandmother, my mum 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.880 gee is as well. So having them around all the time, 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.800 it was always there was always something crazy happening. You know, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.080 we're always doing an adventure and my Auntie lives in 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.040 this crazy, beautiful old Georgian house in Sandela, and it's 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.160 you know, I just have these crazy memories of making 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.680 like a pink blamonde and going to the park, you know, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.840 just silly things that but you know, and singing I 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.160 think was the big one. You know. We'd go to 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.800 Chapel every Sunday and they'd always be singing. And I 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.600 think that that's one thing I've really noticed is that 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.079 the Welsh aren't embarrassed about that. You know. I played 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.640 in Cardiff Last and my family, friends and family all 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.880 came down to the show at Club Bio Bach and 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.679 they I had cousins that came and friends and husbands 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.200 that that you know, our builders and you know kind 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.520 of very manly masculine men and they were all came 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.720 up into the green room and just started singing, and 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.240 even the men and even the young boys, everyone is 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.079 just singing the songs and no one there's no kind 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.080 of ego or embarrassment about it. It's just yeah. And 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.000 I think that part of my childhood really kind of 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.120 shaped me to really gravitate towards the music and the 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.160 arts and those things. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.679 So that you already mentioned the Welsh are incredibly proud 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.959 at their nation. Yes, and they tend to kind of 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.280 very much like where that on their sleep, so to speak. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.520 Is your mum quite a sort of proud Welsh? 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.960 She is? Yeah, I mean she's quite. She's a bit more. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.000 Mum's really like a very compassionate person and she really 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 kind of They say that when you're very you have 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.000 high empathy, you tend to kind of take on the 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.240 accent of the country that you're in, and she really 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.520 did that. When she moved to Australia, she was really 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.000 accepted into that Australian lifestyle and she traveled through India 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.520 for a long time. So she's she's got that Welsh 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.360 like passion. But it definitely I notice it come back. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.480 Whenever she goes home and comes back, her accent is 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.920 so strong, and she starts cooking on cowl and all 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.680 these different foods again. And I can tell she gets 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.360 cabin fever when she doesn't get to go back for 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.000 a while. You know, I can tell that she gets 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.760 this kind of feeling. There's there's a Welsh word for 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.760 it called hero to eith or here at eight I 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.360 think here at eight, and there's no English translation, but 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.240 it's this. It's essentially like a longing for home, a 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.360 longing for the motherland. And yeah, I can tell that 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.560 she gets that sometimes. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.679 So, yeah, your mum sounds a lot more subtle than 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:38.000 my mum. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.040 She's very subtle. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.000 Yeah, yeah, So my mum's part Welsh, but she's she's 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.000 got older. She's really sort of gravitated towards her Welsh breeze. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.840 And she likes to hang a flag out of the 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.440 window of our house down the street when Wales are 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.200 playing in the rugby. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.000 Amazing, that's a brave thing to do. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.959 She likes to shave in England, likes to terrorize the 0:11:59.000 --> 0:11:59.600 English neighbors. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:00.400 Good on her. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.280 I think the Welsh loved to do that though, they 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.600 kind of do like, Oh, they loved the I don't 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.880 like the word, but they do like the banter oh 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:07.920 with the English. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.600 Particularly, Oh, the English deserve it. You know, it's no offense, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.320 but yes, actually offense intended. Yeah, you know the Welsh. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.160 If the Welsh could have a laugh with the English 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:18.480 about it, then that's pretty cool. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.360 You know. The Welsh are also really not only proud 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.360 of their their nationality and their language and things like that, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.880 but obviously music. So when I lived in Wales, it 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.960 was kind of a given. And I hope this doesn't 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.360 come across as a cliche, but particularly the Welsh people 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.640 that I lived with were all genuinely big fans of Stereophonics, Yes, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.839 oh my God, Catatonia and Manic Street Preachers, and if 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.440 those bands came to town, they would turn out and go 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:46.920 and see that. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.600 Absolutely. My parents took me on my eighteenth birthday to 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.440 see Stereophonics play in Fremantle. They happened to play in 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.240 Fremantle on my eighteenth birthday that my parents didn't know 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.960 that I'd gone out the night before at like midnight 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.760 when I turned eighteen, so I was a little bit 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.120 hungover and apparently I fell asleep in the car on 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.760 the way home, but we had the best time. And yeah, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.800 Stereophonics and Catatonia two that have just been so part 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.320 of my life for so long. You know, all the 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.200 drives in Wales when I was young would have the 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.160 cassette of Stereophonics or Catatorny. My dad was. My dad 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.800 really that when he came to Wales. Dad is really 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.959 into all the Welsh music. Even though he's Australian, he 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.680 kind of, you know, gravitated towards all of those lyrics 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.800 and yeah, he's yeah, he really influenced. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.120 That Chris Matthews, who was the singer of Castonia. She's 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.280 got an amazing show on BBC six Music. I don't 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.080 know if you ever got a chance. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:44.320 I stream it Australia. Yes, I can't get enough. I've 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.480 picked up so many amazing bands from her, and old 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.000 music as well, and all sorts of music. She's just 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.000 got such a good taste and I love her conversation 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.440 and her voice. It's so calming to listen to on 0:13:55.440 --> 0:14:00.760 a Sunday. Yeah, she's really great. She sounds twelve years old, yeah, exactly, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:02.439 such a sweet voice. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.120 Is it true that when living in Wales. You did 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.200 have a part on a Welsh soap opera radio program. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:09.719 Is that right? 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.600 Very specific, isn't it? Well soap opera radio program only 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:16.240 in the north. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:18.000 Yeah. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.080 I my auntie was on this show. So there's there's 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.400 a well show called Pablo Cum which is People of 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.200 the Valley. Yeah, so it's our it's essentially our neighbors 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.880 and my auntie. They hadn't my aunties. Both of them 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.440 have been in that for a long were in that 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.760 for a long time. Not anymore, but my auntie Janne 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.880 was Gloria in that show, and that was she was 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.720 quite you know, quite well known around the time that 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.160 she was that character. But she there was this side 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 show called Eileen, which was one of the characters from 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.280 Paula Cum. They made a radio soap opera about her, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.640 about that character. So it's kind of like a almost 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.600 like a fan fiction, I guess of Pablo coma spin 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.120 off exactly. So I got to play Eileen's daughter, Sean Ed. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.040 I'd only been speaking Welsh about two hours and they 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.400 got me up and did this this radio show. The 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.680 most that I remember is driving up to Bangor from 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.400 Swansea every second Friday, I'd get to leave school early 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.800 and Dad and I would drive up to Bangor and 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.360 we listened to Yes Stereophonics and Catatonia and the U 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.720 two early U two as well. We had that cassette 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.920 and I would just remember the food mostly from that studio. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.000 I remember them giving me cookies and yeah, lollies and 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.920 stuff like that. I don't remember much about the script. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.000 Well, your Auntie must have been like almost Welsh ruelty, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.840 because was like if people haven't come across it. You 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.040 mentioned neighbors, it's like EastEnders. Yeah. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:40.080 Absolutely, yeah, and won a Bafta not too long ago, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:41.280 actually a Welsh bafter. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:41.680 Yeah. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.120 For her, she was in a Gwade Kachev was the 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.720 show homework in English. She's really paved the way for 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.080 many many Welsh actors. She's wonderful. Yeah, she's in that show. Yeah, 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.920 I'm so lucky. My mom's actually the rebel of the 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.360 three sisters. Mum became a nurse. She kind of she 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.200 was the black sheep of the family and became a nurse. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.480 And her two sisters actors and yeah, yeah, yeah, shout 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.440 out to an if. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.440 You're listening, that sounds like that was quite a sort 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.440 of strong memories from that period of time when you 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.440 went back to Fremantle or were you in Fremantle. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.200 Yeah, Fremantle is where I live now, so I moved 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.000 down I'm a I'm a late comer to Fremantle. I've 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.960 kind of I claim it as my own now, but 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.720 I've only been there for about four or five years. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.960 I moved down there, you know, independently of my family. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.280 But my family live in a suburb up in the 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.320 north of Perth, so it's kind of just a regular suburbia, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.080 kind of fishing town kind of Okay, is that what it's. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:38.600 Sort of known for? 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:38.960 Is it? 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.760 It's a it's Fremantle kind of like a satellite town 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.200 to perfect Yeah, you. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.240 Can see Freemantle is the port. So Fremantle is our port, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.960 and it's it's got it's I guess it's maybe the 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:53.360 brighton of of but of but it's not as fancy 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.760 and it's it's we're really lucky in Freemantle to have 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.200 I guess people that's where the first place if you 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.000 go to West in Australia by boat, which many people 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.280 did back in the day, was the only way to 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.720 get to the country. You know, that's where you land 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.840 is in Freemantle. That's where you dock is in Freemantle. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.600 So people from all sorts of all countries came and emigrated. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.200 And during the war a huge Italian population came by 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.760 boat to Australia and they got off in Fremantle, never 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.320 left and opened up restaurants. So we have this beautiful 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.040 Italian architecture and food and culture and there's just this 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.520 real hub of all sorts of foods. And then we 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.399 had a huge Vietnamese population and then Chinese population, so 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.720 all these kind of great food places are in Fremantle, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.040 and there's all this kind of heritage architecture from when 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.919 the first boats came, and it's a very kind of 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.400 cultural Meccha. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.480 Was it those factors that drew you to there rather 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:47.720 than moving into the city. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.720 And yeah, yeah, And all the really good music, yes, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.560 I think so. And all the really good music venues 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.440 are in Fremantle. Got a place called Mojo's which is 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.200 where all of us cut our teeth. That's where Tam 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.760 and Parlor cut their teeth. It's where we all kind 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.159 of play and I still play there, you know, And 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:03.760 but you know, you could go there and do an 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.280 open mic night on a Monday, and then you know, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.480 get a show and then yeah, it's just that, it's 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.639 just it's got music every night of the week and 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.280 it's such a great venue. So yeah, So. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.159 With that scene, then kind of paint a picture for me. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.280 You're in your teens when you first started performing and 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.400 writing music. Did you feel like, did you have any 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.280 nerves going about playing your first shows in Fremantle or 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.040 wherever you were when you're playing your first shows. Just 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.480 talk to me a little bit about your sort of 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.440 beginnings and getting out there and playing music. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.160 Yeah, well, I started out playing other people's songs. Really 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.600 when I was seventeen eighteen, I was playing covers at 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.639 a market, like to make a bit of extra cash, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.440 like when I was fifteen in school. You know, Mum 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.560 would do her grocery shopping and I would sing on 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.760 the corner in the food market and make about twenty bucks. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:53.240 And then eventually as someone walked past who happened to 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.159 book cover artists in restaurants, so he was like, I 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.320 can make you some money, and I was like, okay, Oh, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.439 you'll have to talk to my dad, but okay. And 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.400 then my first of a show was at a place 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.480 called the Wanneroo Tavern, which is where you win a 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.560 prize if you eat like this giant rump of steak. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.000 Like it's that kind of I hope that paints the 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.840 picture for you. Yeah, exactly, hope that paints the picture. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.240 It's a real kind of like and there's like a 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.200 tab which is like a sports bet kind of area, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.320 like you know, behind where you can smoke. And yeah, 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.280 I would play in the corner for three and a 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.199 half hours doing covers while people eat their dinner. But 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.240 I managed to and my friends would come down because 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.679 we're all young. We're seventeen still, so my dad and 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.920 mum would have to come because I was underage, so 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.080 they'd bring my friends. They'd all go for dinner and 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.399 you know, take photos. And that was you know, they 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.960 were my first gigs. And then eventually I started playing 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.560 in other people's bands, you know, and working on their 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.359 original projects. And I did that for a long time. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.359 I was There was one point when I was working 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.719 in a cafe and working in a bar and playing 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.639 in six bands, all different genres, all different instruments, all 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.560 different things. But it was so much fun. I had 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.640 a gig every night, Like sometimes I had to rush 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.120 from one to the other and it was so much fun. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.400 So that was really have any time for yourself. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.159 Well not really, and I guess at the time it 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.440 was a really good distraction. I think I'd been put 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.000 pressuring myself for so long to do my own EP, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.880 do my own thing, you know, put out your songs, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.040 and I wasn't ready. I clearly wasn't ready because I 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.199 procrastinated for five or six years. You know, I was 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.359 twenty five when the EP came out, So I procrastinated 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.520 doing other people's stuff for so long. But I'm so 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.640 glad I did that because it gave me so much 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:34.280 perspective on other people's music and how to treat a 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.159 band well, and how to articulate yourself and you know, 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.240 how to conduct yourself. I'd curate shows, I'd put on shows, 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.520 I'd book other artists and stuff like that. So having 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.479 those experiences under my belt has given me so much 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.000 kind of you know insight. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.040 What was the first song that you wrote that you 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.000 considered your own song that you were then you were like, okay, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.320 now I'm ready, I'm ready to share this song as myself. Yeah. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.000 It was mechanical Ball, it was Yeah, it was Mechanical Ball. Well, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.800 I put out the EP and then I yeah, I 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.640 don't even know. I think, I just yeah, I don't 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.080 know why, hang on, I'm just trying to think of 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.960 the order events. Because the EP came out on cassette tape. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.000 It was like thirty cassette tapes and that was it. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.439 And then I would put Mechanical Ball on like all 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.800 the social stuff like on you know, on SoundCloud. I think, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.840 yeah it SoundCloud, yeah, and people were listening to it 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.320 on that and then eventually the EP came out and 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:31.240 everything went all things go yeah, yeah. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.320 And what has the experience been like of the last 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.400 eighteen months, because, like you say that, the EP came 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.200 out Thrush Metal and a lot of opportunities have come 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.399 your way since. You know, you've made numerous trips to Europe, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.240 You've been in States, You've obviously toured Australia fairly kind 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.920 of heavily. Now does that long haul flight from Australia 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.359 to the Europe UK get any easier the more you 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:55.639 do it? 0:21:55.720 --> 0:22:00.399 No, There's there's a song on the album, the Cold Lunch, 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.879 and it's about kind of that homesickness that you get 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.760 before you leave. I tend to really embrace once I'm away, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.840 once I've got landed and I'm on that on the 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.080 on the floor, on the ground, I'm there, I'm ready, 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.119 I'm present, and I'm excited and I love it and 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.800 I really kind of flourish in that time. But that 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.560 week leading up to leaving is really tough for me. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.480 I struggle to kind of because when you're at home, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.800 you're vulnerable. I think, you know, you allow yourself to 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.680 be really comfortable around the people you love, and they're 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.679 your safety nets. You're around them, you let go, and 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.240 then all of a sudden you have to kind of go, oh, 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.280 I've got to put up these walls again to survive. 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.000 You know, when you go on to a solo, you've 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.280 got to kind of like put up these protections for 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.840 yourself just to get through it. Not that it's difficult, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.720 but you know, when you travel a new place every day, 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:51.200 it can get pretty exhausting mentally. So that week leading 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.160 up to it is really tough. And I'm a really 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.200 bad flyer, so that I've got a really bad fear 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.639 of flying, and you know, I just haven't let it 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.280 stop me. And the only thing change that I've made 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.840 is that I've just like kind of I've decided to 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.960 just spend a little bit of extra money to fly 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.560 on airlines that I feel safer on now, you know, 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.120 And I think that that's the only change that I've 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.840 made it and it has improved things, you know, knowing 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.760 that I don't have to catch Ryan airflight or something 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.800 like that. You know, it just makes me feel just 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.119 when you have to do it so much and you 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.840 have to do you know, you know, so many flights 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.160 in a year or whatever, Knowing that you're at least 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.360 on like trusted airlines is kind of a beneficial thing. 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.359 Do you find yourself going through any sort of helpful 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.720 rituals or anything then before you fly, just to kind 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.080 of keep your nerves calm or anything that you I mean, 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.840 for example, when you're traveling from to presumer you grab 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.680 a flight from Perth to like London or whatever. 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.679 Well Perth, Yeah, it goes Perth to Dubai to London. 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.879 So it ends up being about twenty one hours. 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.680 Yeah, so that's like a day, Yeah, just disappears. 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:54.080 Yes, yeah. 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.240 So yeah, how do you are there any little things 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.199 that you can do to just prepare yourself for that, 0:23:58.240 --> 0:23:59.879 because it must be weird. When you look at your 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.560 phone calendar, that day is just basically right. I'm just 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:04.680 gonna be up in the sky. 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:10.359 Totally, totally. I mean, I have an amazing sight. Who 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.080 did this like great hypnot It's a bit complex, but 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.719 she she kind of she did this great hypnotherapy thing 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.720 on me, and it sounds crazy, but it's it really worked. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.240 And she used these words essentially, it's like a guided meditation. 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.760 And she had me lay down. I shouldn't be telling 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.840 you all this, but whatever. She had me lay down, 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:35.160 and she would say trigger words like airport running, late, turbulence, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.639 you know, seat belts, air conditioning, all these things that 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.240 trigger my fear I guess of flying, you know, all 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.960 these kind of weird takeoff, landing, all these words that 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.280 I guess spark that little fear of thing in my brain. 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.480 All the while she's giving me a guided meditation of 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.680 like swimming in the ocean. So she's telling me this 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.800 story about me swimming in the ocean. She's like, imagine that, 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.159 you know, diving into the water, blah blah blah, and 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.840 then she'll just drop those words into the guided meditation. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.160 So for and youve got to you've got to kind 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.000 of go back and do You've got to kind of 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.560 go back every kind of few months to kind of 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.520 get a top up of it. I guess I'm not 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.959 running around like a chicken or anything. But and for 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.679 a while there, I would get this image when whenever 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.960 someone said airport or anything to me, without realizing it, 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.840 I would have this flash in my brain and it 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:22.840 would be this folk like this little picture of a 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.880 wave would disappear or something like that. It's it's amazing. Honestly, 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.320 I'd never thought I would be. I didn't. I always 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.080 thought that my brain would be too conscious to be hypnotized, 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:33.439 do you know what I mean. But she really she 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.440 managed to get me. And yeah, for a while there, 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.520 she really managed to kind of get into my head 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.200 and make me think about Yeah, she just like put 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.960 this subconscious relaxation thing on me, and that really helped. 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.439 So if ever, if anyone out there has got a 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.560 bad fear of flying or a bad fear of anything, 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.879 check out hypnotherapy like a really good psychologist, you know. Yeah. 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.640 Tip for the tip for the for the musicians out 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.400 there scared of flying. Yeah, so many are so many 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:01.320 musicians are. 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:05.199 Yeah, I think we had Courtney Barnett came on the 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.520 podcast a year almost a year ago to the day, 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.879 sat where you're sat right now, and she was just 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.199 talking about just the toll of moving around to that 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:18.760 extent particularly, I mean you pretty much you know your base, 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.080 your home is almost it couldn't really be further from 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:23.160 where we are right now. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.520 The city in the world, Perth is, you know, it's 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.720 it's geographically the most isolated metropolitan city in the world. 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.399 So yeah, exactly, so you like pop over here for 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.960 you must kind of presumably in London for a few 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.200 days a week or something before you have to go back, 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.480 and so your body's only just getting used to being 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.760 here to then swop back there. Yeah. 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.800 I came to London for two days last year and 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.359 that I didn't get time to be jet lagged. Yeah, 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.760 it was crazy. But yeah, someone in Courtney Barnett's band 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.639 said something once and I loved it. I loved it. 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.880 They were like, your resource on tour. It may even 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:03.480 be Courtney, your resource on tour. When you're touring, what 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:08.240 you feed on is food and claps, just like you 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.120 know that that's the thing that feeds you and keeps 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.240 you going, Like do we get the claps. Yes, did 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:12.840 we get the food? 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:13.120 Yes? 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.560 All right? Next next, Like, that's that's your economy essentially, 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:23.000 when you're exactly food and claps, that sounds really bleak. 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.960 You know, obviously there are some absolute you know, I 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.720 don't want to sound like I'm complaining at all because 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.280 it's just such a blah blah blah. You know, you 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:30.840 know that I'm grateful for all of this. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.600 Yeah, but also, yeah, it is, it's not it's certainly 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.760 not the most kind of physically or mentally easiest thing 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.680 to cope with by making these like regularly making long journeys. 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.679 And yeah, it's definitely an interesting thing because it's not 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.840 really a natural state of being really humans. The closest 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.080 thing you get is nomads, but they had their families 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.040 with them when they moved around, you know, to hit 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.800 the mic, sorry, but yeah, it's not a very normal 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.600 state of being. I'm actually I'm friends with Tyler Wright, 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.800 who's a pro surfer. She won the WSL a few 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:03.600 year is in a row. She's incredible. But she came 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.480 on tour with us for a little while. She's dating 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.080 a friend of mine, and she was like, I don't 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.760 know how you do this, and she travels the world surfing, 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.600 you know what I mean. She does exactly what we do. 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.199 But in terms of like the late nights, she's like, 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.080 I'd be in bed by now and I'd be awake 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.480 with like a green smoothie at six am, and I'd 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.520 be hitting the surf. You know, we're kind of like 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.800 late night, get up early, get on a plane. You know. 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.720 It's like a very different It's not exactly a health 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:28.760 promoting healthy living. 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.600 I tried to, but yeah, I think it's been important 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.360 to hear artists also talking in those terms a little 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.960 bit more the last few years, just you know, the 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.280 conversation about sort of mental health in music, and yeah, 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.160 since we've come to the forefront a little bit more 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.720 in terms of just making people just a touch more aware, 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.040 it is like, it's ultimately it's your job, it's the 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.760 area you're working, and it's a fairly taxing kind of 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.240 you already mentioned it's slightly it's unlike a lot of 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.959 any other type of work. So it's been good to 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.000 hear people talk about that and the strains it can put. 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:02.560 On people, I think, yeah, and to let people know 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.240 that it's okay to feel that way. As well, and 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.280 that you know, you don't have to drink. You don't 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.960 have to because there's so alcohol industry is so entrenched 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.120 in the music industry and all of those things, and 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:12.959 it doesn't have to be like that. You don't have 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.920 to fit that bill to make it as a musician. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.120 In fact, you probably shouldn't if you want to survive. 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.480 Yeah, if you come up against those conventions of being like, 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.120 turn up a gig and they're like, oh, there's. 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:29.640 Your No, I've always been really sensitive to alcohol. I'm 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.040 sensitive to everything. I can't even drink coffee without bouncing 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.040 off the walls. I come pre caffeinated, so I'm really 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.280 sensitive to everything, which is good because my body tells 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.720 me when something's not good for it. But also like, 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.240 it'd be nice to be able to bloody enjoy a 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.000 glass of wine over dinner and not, you know, be 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:50.560 pissed under the table yelling abuse. No, I'm kidding, but 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:52.760 you know, I have to kind of be I have 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.640 to be really careful, and I get sick as soon 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.280 as if I have more than three or four drinks 0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.360 or whatever, I my tonsil's flare up and my immunity 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.600 goes out. The wind so I don't drink on tour. 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.640 I drink when I'm home playing board games, you know, 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:10.600 in that vulnerable state. Christmas Day exactly, seven am, Yeah, exactly. 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.360 But yeah, no, I don't. I don't conform to that. 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.240 No, So we talked a little bit about what you 0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:17.800 some of the stuff you've been able to do the 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.200 last eighteen months. Also had the opportunity to go on 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:24.520 tour with some great artists and thinking of recently people 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:29.320 like Natalie Prass, what have you learned from the experience 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.040 of going on tour with artists like that. 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.520 Well, Natalie's just the most perfect example you could have chosen, 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.000 because I learned so much from her touring with her. 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.120 She's I hold her to such high regard as a musician, 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.640 for one, and as as a person. She we both 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.440 kind of had similar starts in that she played in 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.719 another band for a long time, and you know, like myself, 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:58.280 so we've both kind of been a company a companyist, accompanists, 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.160 oh my god, for other people. But yeah, she she 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.880 conducts herself in such a professional way and is so 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.440 kind and caring. And I just watched the way because 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.640 when I went on tour with her, I was about 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.080 to do my first Australian tour with the band, So 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.920 I watched very carefully at how she there were. You know, 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.480 on a tour, you get a lot of crisis situations happen, 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.000 you know, guitars break, things happen, you know, shit happens 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.440 on tour a lot. And I just watched the way 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.480 that she conducted herself during those crises and during those things, 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.040 and the way that she stepped back and allowed everyone 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.920 to do their jobs. And I took that on board 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.320 a lot when I went on tour and I will 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.800 hopefully continue to do that. I just really liked the 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.600 way that she didn't feel the need to kind of 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.360 be on top of everything, because that's a lot of pressure. 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.480 Yeah, is there a kind of tendency to feel that 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.240 you need to do that is particularly when you're starting 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.080 out where you're like I kind of need to know 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.080 every detailing. Yeah, like you take part in the panic 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.360 of if a flight is canceled. There are people around 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.080 the over to help. 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.040 You capable of you know, absolutely absolutely, so she's amazing 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.080 and just watching her on stage, just her voice and 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.480 everything like that. But even getting to do like I've 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.400 got to do a lot of the same festivals with 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.240 the same sorry, a lot of festivals with the same 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.600 artists as well. So I've become good friends with Lucy 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:22.960 Dakas and Snail Mail, Lindsay and Hailey Hendrix is another 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:24.320 one that we've We've played a lot of the same 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.320 festivals over here. And yeah, there's there's a bunch of 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.200 bands that I have so much respect for and I 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.400 learned so much from, Like Lucy Dacus. I get all 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.400 my book recommendations from her and you know, like everything 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.920 she's just as she's an encyclopedia. 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.560 This sort of skips ahead a little bit, but obviously 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.320 people what's been great or certainly a trend the last 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:46.800 I don't know, a couple of years, maybe when you've 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.880 seen artists like Lucy Dakas and obviously Phoebe Bridges and 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:56.040 they had projects like Boy Genius Genius. Yeah, you've obviously 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:57.720 played in bands in the past, Like I mean, you're 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.760 in the cusp of releasing your debuts as a said 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.760 of artist, But were you in the future do you 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.680 think you'll invite the idea of being flexible and you know, 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.840 creating new bands or joining other bands briefly because it's 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.040 a thing you've done in the past, that's an idea 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:12.360 that you like, Oh, definitely. 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.400 I mean I went on tour with methyl ethyl on 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.920 guitar for them because their poor Hamish cut his hand 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.360 open like a week before the tour of the festivals. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.560 So yeah, I had to learn their songs in about 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.400 ten days and make it happen. And if I, you know, 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.360 the more opportunities I get to do things like that, 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.880 the better, you know. That's how I get better at 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.200 my instruments, you know, and also how you become kind 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:39.719 of empathetic and aware of other people's projects and other 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.680 people's visions and not letting your you know, not thinking 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.640 that my ideas are the be all end all of 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.800 music ever, you know, Beethoven, you know, like I just yeah, 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.560 So it's a really good way to kind of like, 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.480 it's really good for the ego to help other people 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.480 or just be part of someone else's project and sit 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.200 back and just do your part and that's it and 0:33:58.240 --> 0:33:59.760 you don't have to add any fluff, just play the 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.440 part and shut up, you know. And if I get 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:03.960 to do that, that'd be great. But also I'd love 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.160 to do some co writing and projects with other people 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.520 and help people on their projects. Yeah, for sure, It's 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.799 definitely something I'm open to. But the album's kind of 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.440 taking up the whole brain right now. Yeah, I've been 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:15.080 very selfish. 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.200 Yeah, we need to talk about that because I haven't 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.239 even mentioned it yet and we're over half an hour, 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.960 so be Where the Dogs is the debut album before 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.520 I'm going to get into some of the standout tracks 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.840 on that. I think a characteristic that people have often 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.120 pointed towards when they've talked about your music so far, 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.440 it is just how honest it is and how funny 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.440 it is, but also tackle some pretty serious issues, and 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.560 as that side of you always come out in in 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:42.880 the songs that you've written. 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.120 Yeah, I mean it's essentially just a dramatic version of 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.720 me and how I have conversations with people and myself 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.839 and how I deal with things. You know, I talk 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.160 about it, I cry about it, then I laugh about it. 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:58.799 You know. That's kind of the only way I know 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.680 how to process. Yes, So yeah, it was only ever 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.479 going to be honest for me, because yeah, I don't 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.680 think I think I would fatigue a lot quicker if 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.160 I was touring songs that I didn't really resonate with 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.360 or that I didn't feel were actually me. If I 0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.120 had to kind of put on a character every night, 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.640 I think that I think I'd burn out a lot quicker, 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.759 you know, So yeah, I think yeah, I've never really 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.839 thought about it. It's always just that's just been how 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.919 I write and how I process things. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.320 Before I took about or ask about a couple of 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.680 the songs on there that I particularly love. Boys Will 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.080 Be Boys is a track that people might may have heard, 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.239 is one of the first things that you released. What 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.160 has it been like taking performing that song as you 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.600 have the last few years, as you've been like touring 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.320 around and yeah, playing that in front of audiences, but 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:48.240 obviously you presume having conversations with with fans and people 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.359 that have attended shows and festivals and things like that. 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.320 So has that opened out? Has there been positive effects 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.200 to being so direct and honest about what ultimately is 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.879 a very kind of harrowing experience that a friend went 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.040 So have you felt a positive energy come from writing 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:04.400 like that? 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.080 Definitely? And I feel like if people hear that song 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.839 and that's my first you know, if that's the first 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.640 people hear of me, they know what they're getting. And 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:17.280 I'm really glad that I did that because my audience 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.480 are so beautiful. The people that come and buy tickets 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.520 to my gigs are such progressive and understanding people or 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.960 people that are willing to learn and stuff like that, 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:30.239 And I'm really glad that I did that because it 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.880 gave me that opportunity to continue to speak out if 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.200 I needed to, which I have done in a few 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.080 of the songs on the album. But I you know, 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.400 I write about other things too, you know, but yeah, 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.359 that song really has put me in situations I never 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.160 thought i'd be. And I went on a panel with 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:49.200 Henry Rowlands at Splendor in the Grass festival back home 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.319 and we got into a bit of an argument. It 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.920 was great. I really like Henry. He said something a 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.680 bit silly, like I don't think he meant it in 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.560 that way, but he said something like, you know, it's 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.399 up to the women to educate the men these things, 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.200 blah blah blah, and I was like, hey, Henry, wait 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.680 a second, Like he was straight away like, you know, 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.239 it was like cool, Yeah, he retreated and understood it. 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.120 I really like Henry Rowlands. He was really great. But 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.640 you know that that song has really kind of put 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.560 me in situations where I'm like, I don't think I 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.359 should be here. I don't know, I don't think I'm 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.960 smart enough for this, you know, and I don't know. Yeah, 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.640 I'm kind of just bluffing. Really, I think everyone is. 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.080 But yeah, I wrote that song two years before the 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:31.040 Me Too movement. So never in my wildest dreams did 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.480 I think that that song would kind of come out 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.480 at the same time, or come out a week before 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.640 it happened. Yeah, a week two days before Harvey Weinstein 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.240 was outed. I put that song out. It's the weirdest 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.480 kind of like you know, serendipity ever. I don't know 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.440 if it's good or bad, but that's, you know, just 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.120 what happened. And yeah, so that that song and I'm 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:53.880 to be able to reach people with that message. It 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.000 has been so beautiful. Yeah, and I've had such wonderful feedback. 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.879 I've had some absolutely fucking shit house feedback from people, 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:00.920 but mostly it's been. 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.400 Lovely people online online. 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:09.759 Yeah always yeah, yeah, yeah, it's always just like death 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.359 threats and stuff, just just casual death threats. But yeah, 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.759 it's just like, you know, it's just people hiding in 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.879 their mother's basement with KFC grease on their fingers, kind of, 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.040 you know, getting upset that I'm not talking about men 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:22.800 all the time. 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.360 You know, Yeah, it is easy to kind of brush 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.680 that stuff off as you make it sound there or 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.240 is it or is it actually quite. 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.319 When when it first started, when I when the when 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.480 the trolling happened for the first time, I really I 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.680 had a bit of a day. I really I was 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.680 pretty distraught and yeah, spoke to you know, my best 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.319 friend sent me chocolate. You know, it was one of 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.520 those days kind of and I, yeah, that was tough. 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.160 But then it I processed it and dealt with it, 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.480 and now I find ways to kind of talk about it. 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.000 And I think the main thing for me was with 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.480 the album not letting that stop me in what I 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.719 was going to say, and in fact, it kind of 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:01.359 fueled me. 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.800 Say, was it a sign that you're actually doing something 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.120 ortant than necessary and right? 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.680 Totally? And also it also made me realize how lucky 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.279 I am because I'm a white girl, so I fit 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.279 into a pretty common stereotype and for me to be 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.760 getting trolled it's pretty crazy. But I think about friends 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:23.040 of mine who are women of color, non binary people, 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.279 trans people who speak out and the shit that they 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.160 cop is just like tenfold to what I have received. 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.640 And you know, I think about that all the time, 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.440 and I think, if I'm using my privilege to do something, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.080 then yeah, I'm doing something right. Yeah, it fuels it. 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.239 I was going to say, does it feel like when 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.160 you because you're gaining a platform. You haven't obviously a 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.920 platform already, but it feels like when it's only growing? 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.560 So does it feel important to use your platform to 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.400 say things that are personally important to you? And I 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.120 hope hopefully have a kind of wider positive repercussions. 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.520 Absolutely, I've always even before I had any sort of 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.120 before anyone knew who I was, I would put things 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.120 on Facebook and Instagram, you know what I mean. It's 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:07.640 a kind of I've always been like that, and I 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.359 just never let it stop when things went a bit 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.839 crazy and my parents were like, oh my god, just 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.040 like what are you doing? But then they fully jumped 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.440 on board and realized. And I remember talking to them 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.320 and because Mum called and was like, you know, be careful, 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.080 you know, be careful. Now that you've got this, you 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.560 should be grateful and just and I'm like, Mum, this 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.840 is this is actually more reason for me to continue. 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.760 And I think, you know, as soon as I stop 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.880 using that platform to make a change, I should get 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.560 off the platform and give it to someone else. You know. 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.239 That's how I feel. I feel like there's there is 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.600 a long list of names who deserve that platform and 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.600 are waiting for it. So I'm going to continue to 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.759 while I'm on it, while I'm on the podium, while 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.160 I've got the mic, I'm going to continue to kind 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.719 of stir shit up a little bit. 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.440 Yeah, away from Boys will be Boys. You already mentioned it. 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.880 There's a kind of huge variety of kind of themes 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.239 on the album. It's a really funny record. It's a 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.080 really sweary record. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:07.359 Yeah, a sixteen times in Seasons Greetings. Yeah, I know 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.400 that because we did the radio edit version and there 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.040 were sixteen pauses. 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.959 And actually, so I was going to say, like Season 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.759 Screens is my favorite song, thank you, and it's well, 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.360 I mean, I'll let you explain. It's it's kind of 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.680 it's kind of a story of being surrounded by family 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:26.040 and maybe their expectations of what or family and friends 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.120 maybe yeah, about kind of what they think that you 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:29.920 should be doing, and you're maybe like kind of like 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.799 you're stepping too often outside of the box up to 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:33.319 you kind of thing. 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.239 Yeah, totally, totally. 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.040 Yeah, And it ends with this sort of yeah, like 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.600 a kind of sweary outro, which which I personally thought 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:41.320 was pretty funny. 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.520 Thank you, thank you. We're going to replace all the 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.000 fucks with like dog barks, but it became too busy, 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.560 so we just did did the mutes. Yeah, that song, 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.879 you've pretty much yeah, captured it in a nutshell. It's 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:55.320 like capturing that Australian family Christmas, any family Christmas really, 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.160 but I do a little like hat tip to Paul 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.440 Kelly who's got a song called how to Make Ravy 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.759 and it's about Christmas and it's I just it's not 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.800 it's always very Everything I write is based on something, 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.480 but it's hypothetical in a broader sense, and you know 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:17.719 the details of it are relatively hypothetical and yeah and yeah, 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:19.960 So just trying to capture that the essence of the 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:23.200 Australian I remember trying to like through the window when 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.360 Tylia and Jenny Tarlie is my drummer and Jenny Jenny's 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.160 my bass player. We recorded it to tape machine, so 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.399 it was a very kind of like scary process because 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.680 tape's expensive and you know, they wanted to get it 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.399 right pretty soon. There was no editing or anything like that. 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.520 So I remember going I remember having going through the 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.120 microphone to Tarlie, who had her headphones on. She was drumming, 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.479 and I say, Okay, Tylia, pretend that you've just walked 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.880 into family Christmas and you know, someone's just dropped like 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.880 a plate of sausage rolls on the floor, and because 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.680 someone's made like a homophobic comment across the table to 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.799 your cousin who hasn't come out yet, and you know, 0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.840 like imagine that. And she played and we got the 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.319 hate like straight away. She got it. It just like 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.320 was so perfect, and her and Jen just like locked 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.480 in together and we had the track like four takes in. 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.600 It was you must have some telepathy if you're kind 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.680 of go through a description of that and I know 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.400 exactly what you mean. I got it. I got this. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.040 It. It was so fun getting to paint the pictures 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.000 of each songs, especially the funny ones. I was like, okay, Natalia, 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:21.840 I want you to imagine that you're walking, you know, 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.279 just like every different song I had a different like 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.800 scenario and that really helped her kind of get into. 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.479 The zone and it was fun the sort of humour 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.120 side of it, so that your sense of humor really 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.160 comes out on the album. Are you a fan of 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.760 like comedy? Like what do you like stand up comedy 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.200 or like TV comedy? Because it does feel like there's 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.520 almost like one Niners on there. It's kind of yeah, 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.920 there's like punchlines and kind of and like you say, 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.280 it's it's quite it's sort of like profanities for fanity's 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.279 sake because it's funny and stuff like that. So that 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:51.520 does that come into it anywhere along the line? 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.440 I mean my dad when we moved to Wales. My 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.919 dad couldn't get a job as a school teacher over 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.920 here because the Welsh education system was really different to 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.080 the Australian one for some reason. So he would be 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:04.759 a stay at home dad. Well mum would go out 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.640 and work as a nurse, and then at night he 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.560 would go and do comedy clubs to make money. So 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.680 Dad played guitar and wrote songs about Princess Diana and 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.080 all sorts of bullshit that I probably don't want to 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:15.920 talk about now. Because it was ninety ninety eight and 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:21.040 it's probably fucking super offensive anyway. Think he's out a 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:24.080 few chairs thrown at him in his time. So yeah, 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.080 dad did that for a while. And I guess Dad 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.440 would sing the songs and we'd make up songs together 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.560 all through my childhood, and he would he wrote I 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.399 remember my eighteenth birthday, my dad changed the song by 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.200 Jason Moraz, you know I'm Yours by Jason Moraz. Dad 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.960 changed that the words that to up yours and essentially 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.520 told all my school friends, like about like the only 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.640 time you get off the computer is when you do 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.960 a pooh and like all these really embarrassing things. Essentially 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.920 he told it in the form of song and the 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.160 friends that still remind me of that to this day. 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:56.759 And like, remember when your dad sung that song? 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.640 So what like on your eighteenth birth they were a party, it. 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:00.440 Was my birth party. 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:01.400 Yeah, we're friends. 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.279 Are that your dad got up and sung that song 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.120 sung Jason's got everyone to sing along and like the 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:10.359 ap yours was like the main Aupius and yeah, it 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:11.320 was fucked. 0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:15.399 I understand your dad. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.040 He's great classic, He's a classic, and he does it 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.520 for everyone's birthdays, like if it's someone's you know, if 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.480 it's just like my auntie Mary. It was her fiftieth 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.400 and he did a beautiful song for her and it 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.800 was it was heartfelt. But then he'd add these fucking 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.360 really hectic kind of you know one liners in that 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.200 everyone would laugh at and it's brilliant. It's it's just brilliant. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.719 So yeah, sounds like a business opportunity. We should get 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.239 your dad to like, you know, we could feed feed 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.440 your dad like various anecdotes about people, and he could 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.160 turn it into a song and it could be like, hey, 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.320 you got your birthday birthday song from his work exactly. 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.839 I know he does it for all the staff from 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.560 this if it's the staff's member's birthday, he'll get in 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.040 and write a song. He'll just change the words to 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.920 a song and write like that. So he's a classic 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.960 my dad. Oh my god, do. 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:03.440 You think that does it come? I mean, right at 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.000 the start of the podcast, we talked about your mum 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.040 and they kind of Welsh compassion and kind of is 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.200 it do you think In a weird way, what we've 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.160 ended up talking about is like the two sides, two 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.359 big characteristics of your music, the sort of compassion. 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:19.279 Of you know, mum's really gentle and yeah, and then. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.120 Your dad's kind of hang on and we just got 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:22.680 to the root of it. 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.879 Crazy we have essentially, yeah, we said we have. We've 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.959 reached the we've hit the gold mine. Yeah, dad, Dad 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.960 is a dad. I'm mostly like my dad in characteristics, 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:36.359 Like it's very kind of outspoken and commands a room 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.520 in the way that like isn't always appropriate. And just 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.520 like you knows he's great. He knows I love him. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.000 He's the best. Yeah, And my friends love him. They 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.200 all gravitate towards him. And he's had to get up 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.040 and do a couple of speeches at you know, like 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:51.560 local Perth Award nights or whatever, and he's got up 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.759 and sworn his ass off on stage and everyone, you know, 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.920 everyone likes my dad more than they like me, to 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.840 be honest. So yeah, so that's where that kind of comedy, 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.920 I guess comes from. But also I am interstand. I 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.720 love James Acaster. I think he's wonderful and he's a genius. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.200 And he manages to do comedy without pulling the pits 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.480 out of any minorities, you know what I mean. He 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.239 manages to just he's so intelligent and I've got so 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:15.880 much respect for. 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:21.080 Him to see him. He performs in London, so you're 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.080 going to have to time it with tours. 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:25.920 Yeah, that moment when he played that tiny whatever it was, 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.719 was like a tiny, little, tiny miniature keyboard and he 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.759 tried to play old Langxion on it. It's one of 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:32.759 the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. I 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.320 had tears rolling down my face. 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