Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne Zuniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, Hey everyone,
Speaker 2: hiy on ourselves together for this.
Speaker 1: We have a very good recap episode this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good episode. It's funny because I'll lead
Speaker 2: us in the recap and I found some cool trivia
Speaker 2: right at the top.
Speaker 1: Let's attributa tell us.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this was directed This is episode thirty
Speaker 2: Carpe DM. It aired on April twenty eighth, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: and it was directed by Richard Lang. And I knew
Speaker 2: that Richard Lang did. He did seventeen Melrose episode.
Speaker 3: Yet he get us out by lunch very recurring.
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, what I learned about him was that his father,
Speaker 2: Walter Lang, was very close friends with Clark Gable and
Speaker 2: Carol Lombard. And in fact they were our Richard Lang's godparents. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I mean I knew them on set. We're just
Speaker 2: like these you don't know in that era who you're
Speaker 2: working with.
Speaker 3: Really, we couldn't we google anything?
Speaker 2: You can't google? Yeah, and when is your time is running?
Speaker 2: In between sets? And I just said, god, here we
Speaker 2: could have sat down play a Gable you know dinners
Speaker 2: and family dinners and stuff.
Speaker 1: But what cool old Hollywood insight.
Speaker 2: I wish we'd had that, I know, I know, it's
Speaker 2: it's and especially that era where the people that we
Speaker 2: were working with in TV had had film careers. And
Speaker 2: then this Richard Lang's father, Walter Lang, was in the
Speaker 2: silent era. I mean, the guy was born in like
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety six, completely missed us. Yeah, they helped create
Speaker 2: this whole business, and we had them at the in
Speaker 2: the years when they were doing you know, directing and
Speaker 2: TV and stuff.
Speaker 1: And we were in our years where we were too
Speaker 1: dumb to like we were starting. Yeah, we were just clue.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a really kind of cool crossover time
Speaker 2: era back then. And I mentioned that to my husband,
Speaker 2: who was like, none of your listeners are going to
Speaker 2: even know. None of your listeners are gonna who Clark Gable.
Speaker 1: Was and will Yes they will.
Speaker 3: What do you think we our kids won't, But our
Speaker 3: listeners do have a grown up audience. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, kind of cool to bring us into this episode,
Speaker 2: which was a very cool episode, but it opens up
Speaker 2: with this wonderful, very melrosy uh montage of the Avenue,
Speaker 2: you know, nineteen ninety three. We start on Snakeskin cowboy boots.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys lit up.
Speaker 1: I think those boots have walked the opening shots before, but.
Speaker 3: I feel like they I think this is when we
Speaker 3: started bringing in original music. I noticed a couple of
Speaker 3: original songs, like when when artists wanted to be played
Speaker 3: on Melroe's place, I was like, that's really, that's a
Speaker 3: new song.
Speaker 1: There's still there's still yeah, some some surprising music moments.
Speaker 1: But I also think that a lot of the the
Speaker 1: rights to the songs weren't available for this streaming version,
Speaker 1: So I have a feeling some songs had to be changed,
Speaker 1: like for the actual rights of those original now right.
Speaker 1: But they're trying to match the tone of it with
Speaker 1: interesting music that's like you know, stock and available.
Speaker 2: Well, the music for the original Melrose was iconic, you know,
Speaker 2: especially the title music for sure, the theme song for sure,
Speaker 2: theme song for sure. But also it became a place
Speaker 2: where lots of bands and artists, what what would want
Speaker 2: their stuff, you know, like the Goo Goo Dolls or
Speaker 2: whoever they they would I think come on and be
Speaker 2: a part of the show. Not known for that, it's
Speaker 2: music so, yeah, we were cool. And it's corny shoulder pads,
Speaker 2: but those are the two things.
Speaker 1: They were. They were like a costar. They a little
Speaker 1: separate billing it.
Speaker 2: So as the camera comes in on Billy and Allison's apartment,
Speaker 2: and he's so excitedly cooking breakfast. I mean, he's just
Speaker 2: got the spring of this stuff. He's so excited.
Speaker 1: Well, remind us what had happened the night before.
Speaker 2: Well, the night before I believe she was standing in
Speaker 2: the doorway with a very oversized men's shirt with nothing underneath.
Speaker 3: No pants. Alison's signature, look no pants.
Speaker 1: It is Alison no pants previously maybe shoulder pads.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's seducing him at any rate.
Speaker 2: They end up kissing, and right after they kissed, Billy's
Speaker 2: like seeing stars and she's like, good night, Billy. He
Speaker 2: goes into her room.
Speaker 1: So they kissed for the first time. But that's it.
Speaker 1: And so now this is the morning after last night.
Speaker 2: This is the morning after, and as he's very excitedly
Speaker 2: making breakfast, Alison enters and I want to know, Courtney,
Speaker 2: if you had any comments on your beige skirt and jacket.
Speaker 3: Said, this is a repeat. This jacket. All I'm screaming
Speaker 3: at the TV as I'm watching it. It's tailor it,
Speaker 3: tailor it. I just want things more fitted. Amanda walks
Speaker 3: around in these beautifully tailored things, and it looks like
Speaker 3: I'm borrowing things from a relative who's a completely different size.
Speaker 1: Your's this sort of amazing. There was something about that
Speaker 1: era that that was like a style that was an
Speaker 1: acceptable style. Because I have photographs, like just personal photographs
Speaker 1: of how I was dressing around this time, and I
Speaker 1: had a huge oversized blazer for what reason. It was
Speaker 1: like this men's boxy thing, Like why did I? I'm
Speaker 1: a small person, why did I?
Speaker 3: That's true. So I think there was a style that's
Speaker 3: the seventies. No, you're right, it was. It was the style.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't wear it on TV because everything looks bigger.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, now we know, right, we learn, you know
Speaker 1: many years later in now now we know, but we
Speaker 1: probably still thought it was cool at the time when
Speaker 1: we when we saw it on TV.
Speaker 3: But anyway I noticed about this is how sweetly shy
Speaker 3: they are. Like I really want them to just be
Speaker 3: they finally had their first kiss. I want them to
Speaker 3: be all over each other. But this entire scene, they're
Speaker 3: acting like an old married couple.
Speaker 2: No Alison. Alison is putting the brakes on Alison like,
Speaker 2: You're like, we should talk about last night. We've talked enough. Well,
Speaker 2: we've been living together a year. That's slow. It's already,
Speaker 2: you know, ready to go. And he's like handing you
Speaker 2: breakfast and wanting to kiss you, and you're like, I.
Speaker 3: Know she's reading is disinterested, which I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 1: Well, it was likers. It struck me as like nervous
Speaker 1: and scared and a little bit like all of a
Speaker 1: sudden self conscious about it, Like, okay, it came. It
Speaker 1: became self conscious because before it was like she wanted
Speaker 1: to be spontaneous, and then all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: that they've kissed and now that it's real thing, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's panicking and sort of self conscious
Speaker 1: about it. And she's she's like, well, I hate you know.
Speaker 1: When she's putting on the break she's suggesting they go
Speaker 1: on a real date first. Yeah, He's like, we.
Speaker 2: Haven't even been on a So he's like, well, great,
Speaker 2: what are your plans tonight? I'm taking out to the
Speaker 2: most romantic night Basically he says. So he's like, whatever
Speaker 2: you want, let's just keep this thing going. It's so
Speaker 2: cute cut. So I feel like they're it's so interesting
Speaker 2: those two. They're always like stop and go, stop and go,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it gets going, and
Speaker 2: the breaks around they get going and the so but
Speaker 2: they're very adorable in this one. And then we're gonna
Speaker 2: after he says, Okay, I'm taking you out on romantic
Speaker 2: night tonight, so you get ready for our first date.
Speaker 2: Then we cut to the next scene is the devil
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael shaving and his beautiful loving wife is
Speaker 2: nuzzling up behind him in the mirror in the bathroom
Speaker 2: and wanting to get frisky and saying I miss you, Michael,
Speaker 2: And he says, well, tomorrow night's our anniversary, so you know,
Speaker 2: let's wait till then, and she's like, I want you
Speaker 2: and he's like.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the second scene when he's shaving and
Speaker 3: rejecting her. I'm like, this is a theme. I'm not
Speaker 3: a fan of the theme.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, oh, and I love our producer has put
Speaker 2: out that reels that said red flag. He's shaving on
Speaker 2: his day off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, total red flag. And he's turning down his wife.
Speaker 1: And he's standing in only a towel in this scene,
Speaker 1: which I mean this is a little bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later. He's just wearing a towel
Speaker 1: in the well and turning down his beautiful wife.
Speaker 2: And he's turning down this beautiful, sweet wife and they've
Speaker 2: only been married a couple of years. So he scoots
Speaker 2: her out of the bathroom now scoot, scoot, scoot, like
Speaker 2: shuts the door, and she's like, uh okay. So you
Speaker 2: start to see that she's unhappy, kind of like wheels
Speaker 2: maybe turning in her well.
Speaker 3: Remember in the last episode he said he was at
Speaker 3: work all day and she found sand in his shoes.
Speaker 3: So she's got this playing in the back of her
Speaker 3: mind something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up with him? And is he always telling
Speaker 1: me the pieces together?
Speaker 2: Isn't she? Yeah? I think she's a little flow. But
Speaker 2: then we are back at the rom com of the episode.
Speaker 2: Billy and Allison are each in their own closets to
Speaker 2: some of that great melose music. We were talking about
Speaker 2: throwing things out of the on the bed, like what
Speaker 2: should I wear? They're both like what should I wear?
Speaker 2: What do I wear? It's a date. It's an actual
Speaker 2: date with my roommate.
Speaker 1: And they're literally across the hall from each other, and
Speaker 1: they're so across but both getting ready.
Speaker 2: Alison like goes, oh, and she walks out and she
Speaker 2: knocks on his door. She goes, what are you wearing?
Speaker 2: What should I wear for tonight's date?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is this fancy? Is this cash? And he's like, well, sexy,
Speaker 2: but demure, you know, he's very general and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a lot of help. And he says, well, I
Speaker 2: want to be surprised when I pick you up, and
Speaker 2: she goes.
Speaker 3: It sort of spoils a mystery when you have to
Speaker 3: wait for a date to finish clipping his tonnails before
Speaker 3: you can put your makeup on, which is so true.
Speaker 1: I think it's such as it's disgusting and funny, very roommating.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is that it goes on from there
Speaker 1: where she's saying, well, how do we get this suspense?
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm waiting for you to finish clipping
Speaker 1: your tons it is like, speaking of makeup, you might
Speaker 1: want to take it a little easy on the makeup
Speaker 1: because you know it contend to get heavy when you
Speaker 1: go out and I'm like, what what you yeah me
Speaker 1: to like have their first date.
Speaker 2: It's a weird moment because they've turned a corner and
Speaker 2: so now they're just saying stuff, do you know to me? Like, well,
Speaker 2: now that we're gonna be together, like you know you
Speaker 2: by the way you wear too much makeup when you
Speaker 2: go out?
Speaker 1: Yes, excuse me, there may just being a date. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not looking good. They're not handling any of
Speaker 3: this well.
Speaker 2: So the cutest moment is when she goes, look, mister,
Speaker 2: and she walks right up to him, where are you
Speaker 2: taking me? And then he's like, to the park for
Speaker 2: jazz Fest And then she turns and she goes, oh perfect.
Speaker 2: So she goes, I'll grab some jeans out of the dryer,
Speaker 2: and as she leaves, he goes, Okay, I'm picking you
Speaker 2: up in fifteen minutes. He's gonna go outside and knock
Speaker 2: on the door of their apartment or has to knock
Speaker 2: on her bedroom door. I don't know, but it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: They're trying to like play real grown ups on a
Speaker 2: date with their roommates. So hurry up, I'm picking you
Speaker 2: up in fifteen minutes. Very cute scene. And as we
Speaker 2: said she's gonna go downstairs to the laundroom and get
Speaker 2: some dryers out of the dryer. So who does she
Speaker 2: run into there? Jane. She starts talking all of a
Speaker 2: sudden to Alison. They're like, hey, hey, And of course
Speaker 2: we know that Alison has seen Michael kissing Kimberly in
Speaker 2: the last episode in the hospital parking lot, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Jane's like talking about marriage and she's
Speaker 2: been thinking about it and you know how old couple
Speaker 2: stay together and it's just supposed to be hard in
Speaker 2: the first two years, which is what she's in. But
Speaker 2: you know, we have our anniversary dinner and I'm excited
Speaker 2: about that and she's like, okay, well, have a good
Speaker 2: anniversary dinner.
Speaker 1: Alison doesn't say anything, right, she has an opportunity and
Speaker 1: she doesn't take it.
Speaker 2: Here she doesn't take it.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that like, by now we've seen
Speaker 1: because Michael has gone to the hospital this day after
Speaker 1: he's finished shaving whatever, and we've already seen the audience
Speaker 1: has seen it, as is him arriving at the hospital
Speaker 1: and Kimberly greeting him in the parking lot and giving
Speaker 1: him a kiss. So by the time Jane and Alison
Speaker 1: see each other in the parking lot or I mean
Speaker 1: in the laundry room. They've seen each other in the
Speaker 1: parking lot for the audience that we've already seen him
Speaker 1: being deceitful again and like confirming that they're still doing this.
Speaker 1: They're kissing in the parking lot. They're trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe make a plan when they can get together, and
Speaker 1: and you know, Michael is revealing, well, hang on, it's,
Speaker 1: you know, my anniversary, but maybe I can figure this
Speaker 1: out because you know, and only my anniversary, my two
Speaker 1: year anniversary. It wasn't it just the last episode where
Speaker 1: she said I'll have you any way I can, like,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I know that you're married, but I
Speaker 1: just need to have you, like you need to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, now she's like, this is
Speaker 1: not good. I don't want to sneak around and this
Speaker 1: is not me and it's mad. So so when Jane
Speaker 1: and Alison see each other in the room after that,
Speaker 1: it's even more like, eh, that's right that Alison doesn't
Speaker 1: say something because we're you know, we're definitely seeing that
Speaker 1: this affair is on.
Speaker 2: Yes, which leads us to this next scene where they're
Speaker 2: actually Alison and Billy are on their date, and it's
Speaker 2: really now weighing on Alison's She's so preoccupied with do
Speaker 2: I tell because I just went into Jane and you're right,
Speaker 2: I've seen them early. You know what. It's such a.
Speaker 3: Cute scene, like they're sitting in this outside park, they've
Speaker 3: got a picnic and there's it really is sweet and
Speaker 3: romantic and I'm just screaming, shut up and kiss him
Speaker 3: like what we are Michael, woh, just stop it, Alison,
Speaker 3: And it's adorable.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 3: It's driving me because honestly, you guys know what it's
Speaker 3: like to be in a new relationship. All you want
Speaker 3: to do is make out. So the fact that she
Speaker 3: can't like it would be so far out of her mind.
Speaker 3: That's what's driving me crazy about this storyline. It's like
Speaker 3: they have kissed. It was great. It was a sweet kiss.
Speaker 3: We saw it. So I feel like in reality that
Speaker 3: would supersede all of this stuff. The fact that you
Speaker 3: or unless, as to Laura's point, she's picking fights because
Speaker 3: she's scared. That's I'm gonna use that as a way
Speaker 3: to make sense of it, because maybe she keeps bringing
Speaker 3: this up because she's so scared about actually getting together
Speaker 3: with Billy. Yeah, otherwise it's crazy time.
Speaker 2: Well it is.
Speaker 1: She's so preoccupied with it. She just can't get it
Speaker 1: out of her mind, which seems crazy at this moment
Speaker 1: for her relationship. But she does admit to Billy that
Speaker 1: she couldn't bring herself to tell Jane in the lowndroom,
Speaker 1: like she's honest about it, like that's bugging her that
Speaker 1: she hasn't been able to, you know, come clean about it,
Speaker 1: and she feels really responsible for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then Billy says, it's almost like you don't
Speaker 3: want to move forward, and then she blames him and
Speaker 3: picks a fight and storms off.
Speaker 2: Well, he says, it's because I don't think you want
Speaker 2: to sleep with me, meaning moving forward, and she's like, yes, thanks,
Speaker 2: you like took out the romance of this.
Speaker 3: Whole whole life coucher out the romance, excuse me right?
Speaker 1: Well first, and he also says, you know, hey, some
Speaker 1: some relationships can survive this kind of thing, and which
Speaker 1: sort of rubs Alison wrong too, like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: are him like is this are you defending him? And
Speaker 1: they end up in this bickering that ruins their date
Speaker 1: and they have to leave the park, like they just
Speaker 1: can't enjoy what was right in front of them.
Speaker 2: This was a chance for them to get close and
Speaker 2: make out and feel like, you know, a date, and
Speaker 2: then it was thwarted and they go off. They end
Speaker 2: the scene fire.
Speaker 3: Alison thwarts it, thwarts.
Speaker 2: It, anything to prevent his tongue from entering her mouth.
Speaker 2: He's so happy, it's so cute, and you're just I know, well,
Speaker 2: so clearly not method acting there, right, and I think
Speaker 2: I have here. The next morning, Allison comes into Billy's
Speaker 2: room in her iconic blue bathrobe with the stars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she wants to be sexy. So she picks
Speaker 3: a big, huge love like how many times did you
Speaker 3: walk into his room and a T shirt and underwear?
Speaker 3: And now it's like, but you don't have today. It
Speaker 3: really feels like she's trying to put distance. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm going to give myself credit and say
Speaker 3: that's what I was playing.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to this character has I don't know
Speaker 2: how long they end up staying together, but they can
Speaker 2: grow into it. But yeah, I mean, yeah, if it
Speaker 2: were me and I turned on my remain we started
Speaker 2: something all the dolls would be gone from my shelf.
Speaker 3: Exactly, the dolls. Remember Allison with Keith that episode, Like,
Speaker 3: clearly she has a libido. They barely talked in that episode.
Speaker 3: Every seat they were making out why is she hiding
Speaker 3: that from Billy anyway?
Speaker 1: Sorry, well, I think also it's an example of story
Speaker 1: that you just like, Okay, that's what's in the script,
Speaker 1: and that's what I have to play it for the
Speaker 1: sake of story, right like, and.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: They're trying to stretch it out, make it you need
Speaker 3: as long as possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they needed to get the conflict with Jane and Michael,
Speaker 1: and this is that worked into like Alison not having
Speaker 1: told and so it had to become stories. So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're playing something that's not necessarily you know, believable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like organic or what you what you think like this
Speaker 1: other story points. So give your you know, give yourself
Speaker 1: a break.
Speaker 3: And it does, like the audience was probably yelling at
Speaker 3: the TV. That is fun for the audience, right because
Speaker 3: you're just like they're so close to get on with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he said, not supposed to be realistic, and
Speaker 2: the writers know when they want you to you know,
Speaker 2: they know they're manipulating the writers just like us.
Speaker 1: We're all doing already, dragging it out, and they're.
Speaker 2: Going to tune in next week to see if they
Speaker 2: do it, and they're gonna turn the following week.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's so true.
Speaker 1: Okay, but the conversation the next morning after this date
Speaker 1: was thwarted at right, And then she comes out in
Speaker 1: her robe. The conversation in the kitchen is so fun.
Speaker 3: In the bedroom in weldroom is.
Speaker 2: It the bedroom?
Speaker 1: Okay, we're oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're starting to
Speaker 1: compare what they were dreaming about.
Speaker 2: That's so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flowers opening.
Speaker 3: And Alice those crashing waves.
Speaker 1: I was doing that, waves crashing on the floor on
Speaker 1: the shore. And when Billy says flowers opening up, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, oh that must have been those things for Andrews, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 2: But then you have Alison, who you know, has come
Speaker 2: into apologize and she's like, well, let's give it another
Speaker 2: try tonight. Let's stay in and have wine and pizza
Speaker 2: and maybe sex. Do the deed.
Speaker 3: I can't possibly do it. Now, both of us dig
Speaker 3: my robot. That couldn't possibly happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's make a plan. Let's talk about it, and
Speaker 1: let's make a plan, and let's let's take all the
Speaker 1: sexiness out of the whole thing.
Speaker 3: No, you know what, our sex life needs a plan.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss it.
Speaker 2: Well, but he's like, okay, take two.
Speaker 1: But they agree that it will be no talk of
Speaker 1: the neighbors this time. No talking about the neighbors.
Speaker 2: Because I won't talk about the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: College. Okay, good plan.
Speaker 2: We're at the beach with a big bed of lingerie models, uh,
Speaker 2: posing and lounging on the side.
Speaker 3: Like did they have to like, did they have to
Speaker 3: fill a beach day?
Speaker 1: A four poster bed, four.
Speaker 3: Poster wooden bed and a and a bedside table.
Speaker 1: By dresser and two bedside tables, an entire bedroom set,
Speaker 1: the entire front on the sand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember we did shoot this in Santa Monica, right,
Speaker 2: I think near the pier. But no one questioned it.
Speaker 2: I don't remember anyone going like is this a weird setup?
Speaker 2: It was just ninety three like, lingerie models on a
Speaker 2: four post bed on the beach.
Speaker 1: It was just another Tuesday.
Speaker 2: It's just a catalog shot. What's the issue? Whatever? There maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was like a Victoria's Secret
Speaker 2: type of thing or something. And we have one of
Speaker 2: the lead the lead model is Karen, who's played by
Speaker 2: Vanessa Angel, and she and Joe are doing this banter
Speaker 2: and I washed this a couple of time, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: there's all of this sort of like double on tandras
Speaker 2: teasing like with between the two women. You know. But
Speaker 2: she's saying Joe's like being all very you know. I
Speaker 2: guess I was doing what I thought photographers did, like
Speaker 2: oh yeah you're hot baby, so good, yeah, beautiful, gorgeous, gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't do a ton of research. I just did
Speaker 2: what I I.
Speaker 3: Bought a photo shoots. They want you feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3: There was crazy on music. Yeah you're saying beautiful, beautiful, great, yeah, great,
Speaker 3: arch your back. I was like, yeah, I've heard all
Speaker 3: those yeah.
Speaker 2: Arch your back. That was yeah, archier back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, really.
Speaker 3: Should say to Alison to get things moving.
Speaker 1: You're beautiful, drop that robe off your shoulder, arch your back.
Speaker 1: I think, shut your mouth, arch your back.
Speaker 2: She's like, wait, what art your back? Alison? Stop talking
Speaker 2: I'm listening to you. You're you're saying very important things
Speaker 2: just hurt you back. But Vanessa, my model, goes yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2: It works for her. So she's like, you should go
Speaker 2: out with us tonight. So we're setting up that Joe's
Speaker 2: going to hang out with these models in the whole
Speaker 2: like fashion world gang that night, and uh yeah. So
Speaker 2: the very last thing is, hey, we're not done here,
Speaker 2: get back on that bed, and Karen says yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2: H So little foreshadowing there, I think, little tease. Then
Speaker 2: we're in the opposite of that energy in the hospital
Speaker 2: changing room where Kimberly now apologizes for getting so upset
Speaker 2: she did earlier, and he kind of I think this
Speaker 2: is where he likes quietly says I have a plan
Speaker 2: against the lockers because for some reason, like four people
Speaker 2: come into the room in this small little room and he's.
Speaker 1: Ye, and they're still going to have this conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Does this where he has the plan to want you
Speaker 2: to beat me at my anniversary dinner?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pagrio it's.
Speaker 2: Just anyway, Yeah, I had this anniversary dinner. I had
Speaker 2: this plan, you know, wait for this certain time. They
Speaker 2: plan a time and then I want you to beat
Speaker 2: me and then I'm gonna have to come into the
Speaker 2: hospital because I'm on call, and you know, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I feel so guilty though you're at your dinner and
Speaker 2: he's like, don't feel guilty. We're just being true to
Speaker 2: our feelings. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she totally afflicted, like she's cold at first and
Speaker 3: she feels conflicted, but then in the end she'll like
Speaker 3: in this one, she said, all I've been thinking about
Speaker 3: is you anniversary or not? Or He says that. He says,
Speaker 3: all I've been thinking about is you anniversary or not?
Speaker 3: And then that sort of opens the door for her again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's so fine with it, like like
Speaker 1: literally interrupting its anniversary dinner to go spend the evening
Speaker 1: with her. And he says, there's nobody I'd rather spend
Speaker 1: the night with than you. And just for people who
Speaker 1: don't understand what beeping is, right, pagers, we wore these
Speaker 1: little things that like you call the number and it
Speaker 1: would it vibrates her beeps and that's your te so
Speaker 1: you have to return the call to that phone number
Speaker 1: or whatever, so you're getting beeped.
Speaker 2: It's high tack by you had to at the time
Speaker 2: A yep, we're a pager pager. Then we cut to
Speaker 2: Alison and Amanda are arguing. Surprise, surprise, were d and
Speaker 2: d Ad. They're arguing in the open workspace, and Lucy
Speaker 2: walks up and says to Alison, I want you to
Speaker 2: come into my office, and then she tells her, look,
Speaker 2: you cannot keep arguing with Amanda in the workspace. You're
Speaker 2: coming to our work retreat and we're leaving tonight, which I.
Speaker 3: Thought was such an Alison starts to say in grand
Speaker 3: Alice in faction, but I have a day, and then
Speaker 3: thank god, she catches herself. I was like, could you
Speaker 3: please shut.
Speaker 1: Off your She goes so far as to almost say
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Wait, oh my god, but Lucy. It's only because Lucy
Speaker 2: gives her this look like are you really wanting to
Speaker 2: finish the sentence?
Speaker 3: Dumb?
Speaker 2: After Lucy, do you know do you remember how many
Speaker 2: times I had your back and you actually still have
Speaker 2: a job. And then she goes, oh, yeah, no, tonight's perfect.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I can go out to Palm Springs and
Speaker 2: start this work retreat, which she didn't know about a
Speaker 2: second earlier. So so yes, So she agrees, you're going
Speaker 2: to come out to this workspace, this work retreat, and
Speaker 2: this is we're going to work on conflict in the workspace.
Speaker 2: Then we cut to we are in shooters and Joe's
Speaker 2: surrounded by a few models and she's smoking with the
Speaker 2: models because again in the nineties, this is what all
Speaker 2: the models did. Chane smoked at the inside inside Wild.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Karen the lead model is saying, you know,
Speaker 2: I loved working with you, and no one's going to
Speaker 2: shoot me except for you here on out, and which
Speaker 2: is you know, a great thing for Joe to hear.
Speaker 2: And then Jake walks in and they're all so impressed.
Speaker 3: Wow, are they super admiring of him. Well played Joe,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 2: Very good coming from these very these beautiful models. So
Speaker 2: he's got his arm around Joe and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you have to come out with us tonight, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I can't go. And he's like, Joe, you've been smoking.
Speaker 3: Because he has a very realistic bike repair emergency. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because there was an emergency bike repair that came in,
Speaker 3: So I can't that couldn't women beautiful women, because you
Speaker 3: know how that happens. It's the same thing as being
Speaker 3: beeped as a doctor, except that it's a motorcycle that
Speaker 3: needs an emergency repair.
Speaker 2: Why do I know that Grant totally had this script
Speaker 2: and went up to the rise of guard. Are you
Speaker 2: an idiot? Why would I not go out with these
Speaker 2: people models? You know? How do I say this with
Speaker 2: the straight face?
Speaker 1: Although I thought he did a good job in this
Speaker 1: scene playing the part where he's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: little bit wary of this sort of dynamic with these models,
Speaker 1: who I am around them? Yeah, like that that seems
Speaker 1: a little bit suspect about, like is this a good idea?
Speaker 1: So I thought he did a good job playing that
Speaker 1: note in this.
Speaker 3: Scene that he did, And I think, you know, he
Speaker 3: was sort of annoyed, Like I think he was like
Speaker 3: he didn't want to hang out with Joe with those
Speaker 3: people because he didn't like who Joe was with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he didn't like what he saw necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And She's like me, are you saying it
Speaker 3: wasn't an emergency bike repair.
Speaker 1: Laura, I'm not going to go that far. I think
Speaker 1: still an emergency bike repair is a very realistic thing
Speaker 1: on the place.
Speaker 2: And I and Jay was different. You can tell that
Speaker 2: she's acting differently besides the smoking. She's all, you know,
Speaker 2: she's like, we're going to this place called the black
Speaker 2: Hole with heavy metal and singles.
Speaker 3: And made along heavy metal. That was funny.
Speaker 2: So Jake was like, Okay, I'm not going. Doesn't sound
Speaker 2: appealing to him. But he's a supportive of her going
Speaker 2: out with the girls, but he's a little bit like
Speaker 2: who's that they leave? Right? And he's sitting there just
Speaker 2: kind of going like okay, which you know, I think, Uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys, but there is there's
Speaker 2: another kind of interesting thing is like how much do
Speaker 2: you have of your own social life when you're married
Speaker 2: or when you're with someone and you live together, and
Speaker 2: does each person go out and have their you know,
Speaker 2: continue with these friendships that they each knew before they
Speaker 2: got together. Absolutely do you kind of fold into this
Speaker 2: like oh, you know, I mean, I would hope you
Speaker 2: have permission.
Speaker 1: You don't need permission, And Jake and Joe don't live together.
Speaker 1: In fact, he even says, hey, you if it's not
Speaker 1: too late, swing by my place when you get home,
Speaker 1: if it's not too late, right right, Yeah, they have
Speaker 1: a very.
Speaker 2: Healthy you know, I mean comparatively speaking to the other
Speaker 2: folks and not building they have a very healthy relationship.
Speaker 3: I yeah, granted it's a very low bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very low bar. Yeah, so far. So we
Speaker 2: leave the shooters and we are at the anniversary dinner
Speaker 2: that we've been hearing so much about. They are there
Speaker 2: and enjoying champagne, and we hear that appropriate music and
Speaker 2: you're just wishing as you're watching this, going, oh, I
Speaker 2: just wish this would last, you know, like, can we
Speaker 2: just cut the lines that are coming and have the
Speaker 2: two of them enjoy their anniversary dinner?
Speaker 3: But no, Well, especially because Jane is so vulnerable and
Speaker 3: she's saying, you know, she feels down because she misses him,
Speaker 3: and we're just like, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's like she's trying to get him to admit something
Speaker 1: and she's not coming out and saying I feel like
Speaker 1: something might be going on. She's still just she's really
Speaker 1: just saying I feel lonely, and he doesn't take any.
Speaker 2: Suspect at this point. To be honest, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like she has questioned, like, why, you know, why
Speaker 1: is he not at work when he says he's going
Speaker 1: to be at work there's enough for her to feel
Speaker 1: like insecure and questioning, but he is so confident and
Speaker 1: good at lying. He just doesn't even blink about anybody.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh no, honey, I love you, and like
Speaker 1: all the stuff. He's so good at faking.
Speaker 2: Well, she says, she said, you know, I feel like
Speaker 2: the hospital seems to be taking you away from us,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, that's the price I pay, sweetie.
Speaker 2: So it's like, this is what you signed up for.
Speaker 2: I can't help it type of thing. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: Primo Master gaslight, which we will see later. This is
Speaker 2: just his go too for sure. But they're there and
Speaker 2: then the guy comes up for dessert, and you know,
Speaker 2: she's like, no, I just want coffee. He's like, for
Speaker 2: some reason, he says, no, I have something fattening. You
Speaker 2: deserve it. I didn't get that line. I didn't know
Speaker 2: why that was placed there. But she's like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll get chocolate. But then the beeper goes
Speaker 2: off and you the audience are just like no, because
Speaker 2: we know who it is. And so he leaves and
Speaker 2: she gets the check. Yeah, he leaves.
Speaker 1: The table to go return the call. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: And he gets up and walks out.
Speaker 2: She's like check please, yeah, very sad, yeah, very divorce,
Speaker 2: divorce already. We don't even need to see anymore as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. Done. So we move off of her.
Speaker 2: She's upset and sad, and then we come to Allison
Speaker 2: is leaving the apartment and Billy's being such a sport
Speaker 2: about it, you know, and she's like, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: We're not We're not going to have our pizza date.
Speaker 3: And this is one of this comes out in her
Speaker 3: voluminous pleated pants, which are a favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: We know you're not a fan of coster ball.
Speaker 3: The luminous pants and the huge jacket, it looks like
Speaker 3: I'm trying to hide a pregnancy. What is happening?
Speaker 1: It was the style.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know, you're like, I mean, if you
Speaker 2: had walked out in a tight black dress, that would
Speaker 2: have been like such a bomber for him. So hi bye,
Speaker 2: I'm leaving everyone else going to see anyway.
Speaker 3: I just such a sport.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, we've waited this long. We can wait
Speaker 2: a little bit longer. So he leaves to go to
Speaker 2: this retreat.
Speaker 3: Well, but then there's this little like kiss on the forehead.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, where is the kiss? That's like the
Speaker 3: promise of things to come right all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: they really seem like cousins.
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing to kissing and not even kissing cousins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cousins like a kiss on the like.
Speaker 1: They really don't know how to transition from Jess being
Speaker 1: I was gonna go, well, then don't kiss, then don't
Speaker 1: kiss at all.
Speaker 3: The kiss on the forehead is so chaste.
Speaker 2: But Alison leaves and then she bumps into Jane in
Speaker 2: the courtyard. In the courtyard who Jane's coming home from
Speaker 2: her aborted anniversary dinner very down. It's at night, it's
Speaker 2: after the dinner, and it's at night, and and you know,
Speaker 2: she's so bummed, but she's again sort of making excuses
Speaker 2: about it. Oh well, you know, it just hurts, that's all.
Speaker 2: And then Alison finally says, Jane, I have to tell
Speaker 2: you something.
Speaker 3: And she decides she's racing off to a business dinner.
Speaker 3: It's like talking about just hit and run. She tells her.
Speaker 3: Jane has the horrible reaction we all dread, horrible immediately turns.
Speaker 3: Then Alison goes, listen, I got it. Run here's the
Speaker 3: hotel where I've say, what weird?
Speaker 1: I don't know? It made sense to me though that
Speaker 1: She's like, I have to get I can't not, I
Speaker 1: can't hold this any longer.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you makes sense.
Speaker 1: This is awful, Like I need to tell you this.
Speaker 1: But Jane is so immediately doubting the truth of what
Speaker 1: Allison's saying. She's like, that can possibly be true. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you must have misunderstood. You don't know what you
Speaker 1: were seeing. She completely thinks everything that Allison is saying
Speaker 1: is total crap, and she's angry.
Speaker 2: She says, exactly what that's crap? Basically, you are lying,
Speaker 2: not even like, are you sure?
Speaker 1: Exactly what her own doubts.
Speaker 2: In her head. With having the sand having come out
Speaker 2: of the sneaker last episode, she still is like, I
Speaker 2: was shocked. I was surprised at how vehemently she pushed
Speaker 2: back and attacked.
Speaker 1: Alice absolutely didn't want to believe it or here, even
Speaker 1: though she's been like sort of kind of I think,
Speaker 1: questioning it and doubting it herself, like when she actually
Speaker 1: heard it, she immediately lashed out at Alison and I think.
Speaker 3: That's what it is, Laura. When she actually heard it,
Speaker 3: like heard her fears voiced, it was too scary to
Speaker 3: process because I thought Josie did a great job of
Speaker 3: like that shift of just immediately getting defensive and putting
Speaker 3: it on Alison because she couldn't take it in even
Speaker 3: though she's having her own doubts, she couldn't take it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now we are in this is a funny scene.
Speaker 2: We are in the hotel in the desert at the
Speaker 2: work retreat, and now Alison and Amanda have to be roommates,
Speaker 2: which is hilarious, and they're, you know, Amanda's like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe it. You know, I was supposed to get
Speaker 2: my own room, and they have this wonderful banter. You know,
Speaker 2: Amanda's taken out all her clothes and Alice's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, where are you gonna wear all that? Aren't
Speaker 2: they there's you know, and she's like, Amanda has some
Speaker 2: great lines. So you know, she's like, well, I've never
Speaker 2: believed in the virtue of packing lightly, or maybe I
Speaker 2: just don't have your flair for making one outfit work
Speaker 2: three different ways.
Speaker 3: Do you remember those articles at the time that were
Speaker 3: in every fashion magazine, like how to make this work
Speaker 3: three different ways? That's that reminded me of I still
Speaker 3: do that, but he's been every magazine. And then and
Speaker 3: then Amanda puts her stuff away and she says to Allison,
Speaker 3: feel free to borrow anything you can squeeze into. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and feel free to borrow my voluminous pantaloons.
Speaker 2: But that's shouldn't feel free to borrow these if you
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: You can make two dresses out of my pants.
Speaker 1: Do you want to try my boxy jacket?
Speaker 2: I have some shoulder pads for you on a retreat
Speaker 2: in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1: But it's also like just after they decided, you know
Speaker 1: what this this cat for? This like fighting, and we
Speaker 1: sound like a couple of high school girls that we
Speaker 1: just need to figure out a way to get along. Okay,
Speaker 1: can we just agree to bury the hatchet? And they agree,
Speaker 1: and then is Amanda's lying, feel free to borrow anything
Speaker 1: you can squeeze into.
Speaker 2: So much so much. Yeah, but they agree to kind
Speaker 2: of get along for this weekend. At least they're gonna try,
Speaker 2: right anyway, She leaves as she throws out one liner
Speaker 2: at you and then is like thanks, you know like
Speaker 2: she's she knows she got one in on her and
Speaker 2: this is not going to bury any hatchet anyway. Michael
Speaker 2: comes home close to just before six am, and Jane
Speaker 2: has been awake. She's sitting in her bed with you know,
Speaker 2: tea or coffee and she's just awing herself waiting up.
Speaker 2: And she comes out into the kitchen and it's like,
Speaker 2: what you know it took so long and what's what happened?
Speaker 2: And whoa you know, I'm only.
Speaker 3: And he gives her this icky kiss. I didn't kiss
Speaker 3: on her cheek? Did you notice that? Yes?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, we know where your mouth has just
Speaker 2: been you discussed.
Speaker 1: Yes, horrible, And he's totally fine being that guy.
Speaker 2: He's totally fine.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And this is a scene where he becomes a master
Speaker 2: gas lighter like the actual movie where a gaslight, that
Speaker 2: black and white movie, where he just makes her think
Speaker 2: like she's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because she says, I miss you. You seem
Speaker 1: to have been in call awful lot and I really
Speaker 1: miss you. And she comes right out and asks him, says,
Speaker 1: are you having an affair?
Speaker 3: And then he.
Speaker 2: Laughs and he goes, what we're coming from, of course?
Speaker 2: Not what would make you say that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Immediately you turn it around and you make them feel
Speaker 2: ridiculed and like they're idiots, and that's what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He goes, what made you say this? So? I think
Speaker 2: that's where Jane says, you know, well Alison told.
Speaker 1: Me, yeah exactly. She gives the examples that, well, I
Speaker 1: called the hospital, you were supposed to be there and
Speaker 1: you weren't, and also the sand in your shoes, and
Speaker 1: he laughs at that, like, oh that's.
Speaker 2: Nothing, so kill me, so assume me.
Speaker 1: So I've spent my lunch at the beach, sorry, you know.
Speaker 1: And then that's when she starts to say that Alison,
Speaker 1: you know, told her something that she saw and and
Speaker 1: he finishes her sentence like blows her off and complete
Speaker 1: the gas light, like you're saying.
Speaker 2: And then goes to blame it on another person, which
Speaker 2: would be Allison. She's like, well, why would she lie
Speaker 2: to me? And he says, will you remember that I
Speaker 2: her thing with that married man. Well, now she wants
Speaker 2: to hurt you by breaking us up because she's telling
Speaker 2: you I'm having an affair. He just deflects and blames
Speaker 2: and she's so confused. You just watch her go, oh,
Speaker 2: who do I believe and he goes, honey, you believe me,
Speaker 2: don't you?
Speaker 1: And he comes up and.
Speaker 2: He'll see being so sweet, and of.
Speaker 3: Course she wants to believe him so much. Of course
Speaker 3: she does.
Speaker 2: So then she takes him his head. He puts his
Speaker 2: head down vulnerably right like I'm just a little boy,
Speaker 2: don't you believe me, nuzzles his head into her neck,
Speaker 2: so her arms go around his head as a tear
Speaker 2: falls down her face, and you're just like, so not
Speaker 2: only that gas lighting, then he becomes this vulnerable, wounded
Speaker 2: animal and she's supposed to now take care of him,
Speaker 2: and I just just drove me crazy. But he's the
Speaker 2: writers are very good.
Speaker 1: And Michaels yeah, but he definitely painted a picture that
Speaker 1: Alison is just gossiping and she completely made this story up,
Speaker 1: and there's just that's it's how horrible of her to
Speaker 1: be such a bad friend. And so he just completely
Speaker 1: wrote a different story for Jane and and made Alison
Speaker 1: the bad guy.
Speaker 2: Back of the retreat, Lucy's talking to everyone. The boss
Speaker 2: of everyone. Lucy of course says we're gonna do some
Speaker 2: role playing. So this is one of the exercises.
Speaker 3: And so here in your heart, like of everything you've
Speaker 3: ever been to like this and said we're going to
Speaker 3: break into small groups. Didn't your heart just sink?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: And role playing that moment, no playing of all things,
Speaker 1: not like trust exercises or something.
Speaker 2: But but immediately Amanda's reaction is like I'm going out
Speaker 2: for a coffee or something. She goes to leave and
Speaker 2: Alison's like, what do you mean? I think we should
Speaker 2: play this? And Amanda's walking out to avoid the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and Alison follows her and starts role playing. She's her acting,
Speaker 2: saying things, yeah, Alison, this work is horrible. It's so slipshot.
Speaker 2: You put no work and effort into it. And then
Speaker 2: Amanda getses her. She turns around, she's got her attention
Speaker 2: and she's like what oh, and they start going into it.
Speaker 2: What was Alan? What was Amanda saying? As Alison, let's see,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys remember, but it was
Speaker 2: really wonderful back and forth. I thought you guys did that.
Speaker 2: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was just this yeah, I mean for role playing moment.
Speaker 1: She was also like I am not that bad. I'm
Speaker 1: not that hard on you, and Allison's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: you are and and you know whatever they're they're trying
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: And then Amanda gets vulnerable and says, well, look what happened,
Speaker 3: Like I asked you if I could date Billy. You
Speaker 3: said yes, And just when I start to get attached
Speaker 3: to him, we start having a relationship, you come back
Speaker 3: and I, you know, i'd never Maybe it's my own
Speaker 3: point of view, I should ask you, guys, because you're
Speaker 3: a little more objective. I never really bought that it
Speaker 3: was a real relationship, but maybe it was. Did you
Speaker 3: feel like Amanda cared about Billy and was really hurt
Speaker 3: when it ended? Because I never gave it any credence.
Speaker 1: But again, I think I think that's a fair question,
Speaker 1: and I think that this episode, to Heather's credit, like
Speaker 1: I think she really sold that part of the story
Speaker 1: that like we believe it, like oh, she really did
Speaker 1: have feeling or I believe it here, like even if
Speaker 1: it seemed like a fleeting moment at the time, like oh,
Speaker 1: it's just a blip and it's over so far. She
Speaker 1: actually is saying, listen, look at it. From my point
Speaker 1: of view, I don't trust you, and you're so competitive
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: So excuse me, but I don't trust you at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think you're right Courtney, like this is the
Speaker 2: first time, and listen, this happens in episodes like maybe
Speaker 2: that maybe the writers didn't do that relationship justice right,
Speaker 2: like we it did seem sort of like about a
Speaker 2: chair and they just didn't get on. There was humor
Speaker 2: in it and it was short. It was just sure
Speaker 2: seeing the the heart that Amanda really felt about it,
Speaker 2: and I love this. I love that side of her.
Speaker 2: And but before she gets all vulnerable and honest, she said, see,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's something that Allison says as Amanda,
Speaker 2: I mean, look at those shoes. Who taught you to dress?
Speaker 2: Barbara Bush? Sorry, I just had to get that because
Speaker 2: Alison does have some pretty clunky shoes I've noticed, but
Speaker 2: really clunky. It was the nineties, it was who knows.
Speaker 2: And then we are at the park with Jake and
Speaker 2: Billy kicking around a soccer ball and Billy's like going
Speaker 2: on about how we were supposed to get together and
Speaker 2: we're supposed to have a date but it didn't work, so.
Speaker 3: We well, they're not really kicking the soccer ball because
Speaker 3: Jake is walking in his jeans and Andrew's knees, head, neck.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he's juggling.
Speaker 3: It's like Jake brought his son to the park to.
Speaker 2: Play with a soccer ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a houlnerable, right, because it's a true skill
Speaker 3: Andrew has. But I thought they wanted to like work
Speaker 3: in the soccer.
Speaker 1: I love when they worked it in because they're taking
Speaker 1: advantage of something that Andrew can do and not not
Speaker 1: anybody else on the show.
Speaker 3: And it's like played professional soccer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also gives us the impression that like
Speaker 1: Billy can't sit still, like he has to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, bouncing around.
Speaker 2: Which he's very much like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's very good for his character and funny because
Speaker 4: Jake is like, you haven't slept together, and it maybe
Speaker 4: remember the beginning of Jake and Joe and you guys
Speaker 4: were all over each other, which is what I want
Speaker 4: for Billy and Allison.
Speaker 2: So Jake is like, what do.
Speaker 3: You just kiss?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: You idiot?
Speaker 2: What are you? What are you waiting for?
Speaker 3: Is He's saying, you're gonna miss the window, right and
Speaker 3: you guys are going to go right back into being friends.
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad somebody is saying that to one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't make such plans.
Speaker 2: We had second plans for tonight. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened while she's out of a retreat in the desert?
Speaker 2: And I think Jake is like, well, go get her. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about too much because then
Speaker 2: we'll both get scared. So he's like, well, can I
Speaker 2: borrow your motorcycle? Absolutely not, I'll give you a until
Speaker 2: I'll give you a used one from the shot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we're into Alison apologizing to Amanda, which was
Speaker 2: really good. She met her there at that honesty and said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm really sorry for how all this happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't plan it that way, but and can we
Speaker 2: be friends at least for now?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a sweet moment. It felt like there could
Speaker 3: be real progress in their friendship for a minute.
Speaker 1: For a second.
Speaker 2: So that friends is about to end because Billy comes
Speaker 2: into the lobby. Nobody sees him yet, but he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I need to talk to Alison.
Speaker 1: They're in this retreat, but he's wearing his biker gear
Speaker 1: because he's taken this motorcycle to the retreat, so he's
Speaker 1: wearing biker gear when he comes up to the counter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he puts his helmet down and says, well,
Speaker 2: can I get a note in there? He writes this
Speaker 2: note and he says, can you please someone please take
Speaker 2: this into there since she can't come out.
Speaker 3: Take it into beautiful blonde?
Speaker 2: A beautiful blonde?
Speaker 3: Wrong?
Speaker 2: Yep, we know exactly, but there's got to be other
Speaker 2: extras that were beautiful blonde.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's California. There's only two, yeah, Amanda.
Speaker 2: And Allison, so, of course, so much for their friendship.
Speaker 2: Amanda of course intercepts the note and.
Speaker 1: Because the valet guy picks the wrong beautiful blonde, are
Speaker 1: you Alison Parker?
Speaker 2: No, but I can take this to her. Then reads
Speaker 2: the note and it says an excellent handwriting. I might
Speaker 2: add that Billy has Oh my god, I couldn't wait.
Speaker 2: I'm in the lobby Billy, And so she goes out
Speaker 2: to the bill. She goes out to find Billy and
Speaker 2: says that you can't see her. Lucy's not letting her go.
Speaker 2: She's on probation. She lies, That's why I'm totally lying.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm going to make you.
Speaker 3: Think of Animal House and super Secret Probation, Super secret
Speaker 3: probation to make you think of that, that's what I
Speaker 3: thought of.
Speaker 1: I love it, I will now, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, so so that's that. She makes sure
Speaker 2: that Billie can't see Alison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Lizon says that it was that. Allison says
Speaker 1: she's too busy, like it's.
Speaker 2: All a lie. Yeah, and just literally thirty seconds before
Speaker 2: she's saying, yeah, let's be friends, like this honest moment.
Speaker 2: So these people just can't be friends no matter what.
Speaker 2: No one can keep up a let's bury the hatchet deal.
Speaker 2: And then we are at Jake's and Joe comes flying
Speaker 2: in the door. She's so excited about her night out
Speaker 2: with the model girls last night and all the fashion people, and.
Speaker 3: She says, and at first I thought it was the
Speaker 3: night of the party because she seems sort of buzzed
Speaker 3: because she's so excited, and I realized it's the next night.
Speaker 2: It's the next ning.
Speaker 3: Know, did Joe go the entire day without checking in?
Speaker 3: She said come bye after the party, And I don't
Speaker 3: think Joe not only didn't come buy after the party,
Speaker 3: she didn't come buy until the next night. And excited energy.
Speaker 1: Right like she's just now getting back from the whole.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot of time to go between contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll tell you because I'll just tell you
Speaker 2: what happened to Joe. She got in at five am,
Speaker 2: and she just took her advil and Exceegrian PM and
Speaker 2: slept all and then wanted to get out refreshed and
Speaker 2: probably had brunch with the girls maybe, and then she
Speaker 2: finally came up to you.
Speaker 1: She Yeah, Jaffe has a lot of confidence about how
Speaker 1: that might have gone exactly. I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: very familiar scenario.
Speaker 2: There was some research in the eighties. I must say,
Speaker 2: I know exactly what Joe did.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your Joe comes bounding in and goes and
Speaker 3: takes it. I think the last beer out of the fridge.
Speaker 2: Is not oblivious that it's that thing with when you
Speaker 2: meet new people and you meet a whole vibe, and
Speaker 2: hers is going to possibly lead to a whole career
Speaker 2: in the fashion world, you know, So it's very exciting
Speaker 2: to her. It doesn't have to do with, like, you know,
Speaker 2: her boyfriend and the apartment and struggling and stuff. It's
Speaker 2: just very exciting for her, So she does she's not
Speaker 2: doesn't even notice that she takes the last beer, and
Speaker 2: she wants.
Speaker 1: To tell Jake all about like this opportunity she has,
Speaker 1: like how she met this video editor who wants to
Speaker 1: hire her too. Now she's gonna have all these job opportunities.
Speaker 1: Is just so happy to share it with them, and
Speaker 1: and she notices that he's not very excited to be
Speaker 1: hearing about this, like whit, you don't look happy for me,
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, yeah no, And then he'll come he'll
Speaker 2: like better his response later because he'll realize that he
Speaker 2: could have been a little more excited for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, Jake isn't though, because he doesn't like the people.
Speaker 1: And this is where he tells her that, well, maybe.
Speaker 3: They're not as sophisticated as the grease monkeys you love that.
Speaker 2: Ye whoa, Maybe they're not as sophisticated and well rounded
Speaker 2: as the grease monkeys you were.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It turns into an argument that's like Joe is not
Speaker 1: very nice and her like retaliation.
Speaker 3: Carry on in another episode because it's just sort of
Speaker 3: dropped and it does this carries on, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know again, we have this happy couple, but it's Melrose's place,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna i'd to start the scene happy and
Speaker 2: end it with the fight. That's what we do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: She's like no, and then she turns it into all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're just not happy for my success
Speaker 2: and you know, so screw you. I'm out. He's like whoa, whoa, whoa. No,
Speaker 2: I'm gone, and she just leaves like she does so
Speaker 2: many times before. And then we are with in Jane
Speaker 2: and Michael's apartment and Jane comes into a dark apartment,
Speaker 2: nobody's there, and she's calling and it's just and she's like, Michael, Michael,
Speaker 2: of course she's not there. So she calls the hospital
Speaker 2: and she's expected, you know, to find him there, and
Speaker 2: the woman's the receptionist says, well, he's on break till eleven,
Speaker 2: and she immediately is like, well, it's in a family emergency.
Speaker 2: Can you please give me Kimberly Shaw's address or phone number?
Speaker 2: And she's like no, we can't give that out. And
Speaker 2: she's like, well, it's in a family emergency and I
Speaker 2: need to they're working on a project together and I
Speaker 2: need to speak with him. So she is like no more,
Speaker 2: miss nice guy. You know what I mean. She's just
Speaker 2: doing what she can and lying manipulating and she's going
Speaker 2: to get that address.
Speaker 1: Well, but doesn't the scene end where she just has
Speaker 1: to tell the nurse to just leave a message for
Speaker 1: the hospital to cage Michael, and that's how they leave it.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but she's got an address, Well, she hasn't
Speaker 3: gotten it.
Speaker 1: They has not gotten the address. That's what's confusing because.
Speaker 3: Because they say they can't give it to her.
Speaker 2: Back at the hotel in Palm Springs and Alison and
Speaker 2: Amanda are laughing and having a good time, which is
Speaker 2: also and Hader told.
Speaker 3: A story that I promise you she made up. She improvised,
Speaker 3: and then he threw up in the hot job.
Speaker 2: Story. That's another improv.
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, we have to to make nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was Yeah, that's amazing that you're right,
Speaker 2: I remember that improv.
Speaker 1: But conveniently, Lucy comes to the table, is so happy
Speaker 1: to see them like laughing together, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: need throat lousages. Alison offers to go out to the
Speaker 1: parking lot to Lucy's car to get these throat lozenges
Speaker 1: for Lucy, which we all know where this is going
Speaker 1: to go, and sure enough, that's where she goes up
Speaker 1: to the parking lot and Billy is still in the
Speaker 1: parking lot getting ready to leave on the bike and.
Speaker 3: Which luckily has broken down. One wonders if it's the
Speaker 3: emergency bike repair, maybe this was the bike previous need.
Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting is that he's trying to do it
Speaker 2: with the kickstarter, but it's it's a he doesn't know
Speaker 2: that's a thing, so he's really just flooding the damn thing.
Speaker 2: But some bikes you start like that with your foot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lauren and I totally caught that. Lauren and I
Speaker 3: both totally caught that. So that was.
Speaker 2: So the valet guy Cod just comes and pushes the button.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It starts right away, but you're right, it's
Speaker 2: given us time to have Alison walk up and go, Billy,
Speaker 2: what are you doing here? What? She's happy? Which I
Speaker 2: was so happy that she was happy. Yeah, I'm leaving,
Speaker 2: and she's like, what do you mean what? Mess said, Well,
Speaker 2: you didn't want me here. I didn't even know you
Speaker 2: were here. Amanda. Oh that's right, Amanda. Amanda has always
Speaker 2: lies and always is in the middle of things. So
Speaker 2: they figured out and Billy goes, I have an idea,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a room and then when you've
Speaker 2: done your retreat thing, you come join me when you
Speaker 2: finish your party, because there's going to be a cocktail
Speaker 2: party or something. And Alison goes, what party. She's finally
Speaker 2: excited to go. Yeah, spend the night with him in
Speaker 2: this hotel. So he's going to go.
Speaker 3: And then they kiss and I put in my notes
Speaker 3: way too chastely because I'm.
Speaker 1: Well again, they're still making a plan at this point,
Speaker 1: there's still in place. Yeah, they're at.
Speaker 2: A hotel making a plan on a hotel. Yes, the
Speaker 2: plan is, I'm going to go get a room.
Speaker 1: Here's a plan.
Speaker 2: Now, when has there ever been an extra room if
Speaker 2: there's a corporate retreat going on, I don't know. But
Speaker 2: in this little apartment, in this little hotel, we got a.
Speaker 1: Really nice room too. But first we have to find
Speaker 1: Jane walking through the hallway of Kimberly's apartment, which we
Speaker 1: have no idea how she got the address.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the lady gave it to her, but whatever, your.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she worked it out.
Speaker 2: So she's walking down this hallway and she she's just
Speaker 2: got this. She's nervous, but she knows where she's going,
Speaker 2: and she knocks, and you hear from inside, Yeah, who
Speaker 2: is it? And she says Jane. And then they cut
Speaker 2: to inside and it's Kimberly making dinner or salad or something.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't have a reaction like oh shit, you.
Speaker 1: Know, she sort of calmly answers the door, like, oh, hey, hey.
Speaker 2: Jane, what can I do for you? She's so calm,
Speaker 2: She's like she and Michael are made from the same cloth.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, what can I do for you? She's like, well,
Speaker 2: is my husband here? No, of course not. Well he's
Speaker 2: supposed to be on break and he's not at the hospital,
Speaker 2: and oh, maybe it's that crappy coffee shop near the
Speaker 2: hospital that we all have to go to. And right
Speaker 2: then we hear and see Michael walk in behind her.
Speaker 1: Hey owl, only a towel, Yeah, and a towel for
Speaker 1: the second time this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He just stops in his tracks and he sees Jane's
Speaker 1: face at the door, and everybody.
Speaker 2: Just is busted and we're finally thrilled.
Speaker 3: Finally Jane says, thank you, That's all I needed to know.
Speaker 3: But didn't you wonder like, can we talk about casual
Speaker 3: kimberlewis she could have said, Michael, it's Jane, stay hidden.
Speaker 3: I wonder the sort of Mockia Elliott. Or she could
Speaker 3: have come out of the hallway the door, because then
Speaker 3: they'd be found out. I think that maybe she meant
Speaker 3: to Kimberly meant that, No, I do, I think so.
Speaker 3: How could she not say Michael, Jane's It's not like
Speaker 3: there's an and she opens it. She knows it's Jane,
Speaker 3: but she doesn't say to him it's Jane Hyde. She
Speaker 3: opens the door, takes all the one thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: She she wants to be found out so she can
Speaker 3: have Michael because that blows up their marriage.
Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely blowing up here, definitely blowing up. Jane
Speaker 1: leaves and he runs out after her in his towel,
Speaker 1: trying to keep it on as he's running, like we
Speaker 1: Michael or wait, Jane, Oh.
Speaker 3: It's just so, And Kimberly looks very annoyed that he
Speaker 3: ran after her. That was not in her master plan.
Speaker 1: But back at the hotel, where Brian Ellison's plan is
Speaker 1: finally coming to fruition.
Speaker 2: With beautifully romantic the plan to make another plan let's
Speaker 2: discuss this further romantic pink Rose on the bed, But they.
Speaker 3: Do discuss it a little further because Alison says, can
Speaker 3: I tell you something that's like, oh, for the love
Speaker 3: of God, can you shut?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh she did? What did she say?
Speaker 3: She says, I'm nervous, which is very sweet. And then
Speaker 3: he says she says, he said, I'm excited. That was adorable, and.
Speaker 2: Then he puts her purse on a chair.
Speaker 1: He still has to like take her purse off of
Speaker 1: herst like it's okay, like enter this room and let's
Speaker 1: it's very.
Speaker 2: Slow, very yeah.
Speaker 3: This is where I did think, because maybe this is,
Speaker 3: you know, being against Joe and Jake. We're so hot
Speaker 3: and sexy. Maybe the point is that this is sweet
Speaker 3: because it was so sweet and slow. And did you
Speaker 3: notice the music take me to an everlasting love? And
Speaker 3: I assume loaur it was the time but maybe right there,
Speaker 3: but it was so like endless lovey.
Speaker 1: The long well, it's maybe the longest love scene montage
Speaker 1: we will ever see in the history of long of Melrose.
Speaker 1: Because I thought it was really long. I thought it
Speaker 1: was lovely still long to me.
Speaker 3: I thought it was perfect length.
Speaker 1: I thought it was, guys.
Speaker 3: It was endless.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even you guys making out. It was like
Speaker 2: close up on the shoes, coming up, close up on
Speaker 2: this and we all know what love wanted to make
Speaker 2: it lest right, very like stop and go, and they
Speaker 2: want all these other shots and it's not as like
Speaker 2: this smooth, ongoing lovely thing that's fun to do. It's
Speaker 2: very stop and go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the pieces of the clothing coming off,
Speaker 1: and then some more kissing and then another article of
Speaker 1: clothing and we're kissing. I thought it was lovely and
Speaker 1: like they made a really and that it was.
Speaker 3: And then at the end were lying on the bed
Speaker 3: and Andrew comes down on top of me and then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I stroked his back for America,
Speaker 3: like I always.
Speaker 1: Say, that was so nice.
Speaker 2: That was nice of you.
Speaker 3: It really was sweet. Yeah, you're welcome, very nice.
Speaker 2: Finally you made us like wait for it, but fine.
Speaker 3: Really I really made you wait for it. But I
Speaker 3: thought it was really sweet, like you felt like it
Speaker 3: was a real love scene, Like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Very much a love scene. No, they put a lot
Speaker 2: of time and money into it, obviously, because the longer
Speaker 2: it is, the more of that shooting day. It took
Speaker 2: and it was important to those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was sweeter that the kiss was really sweet,
Speaker 3: like I thought. I thought. I didn't say it'd been
Speaker 3: a good payoff with the audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. I mean it would be such a
Speaker 2: drag for a short little and then pan out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: out of off for all of this that would have
Speaker 2: been the kids on the forehead and then fade to
Speaker 2: the audience waited.
Speaker 1: Thirty episodes for this, Yeah, like thirty episodes.
Speaker 2: Let's make a real.
Speaker 3: You know exactly it was and I did.
Speaker 2: I don't think I said this at the top, but
Speaker 2: this was written by Frank South and Darren Starr. Those
Speaker 2: are the guys that wrote this particular episode. So, and
Speaker 2: this was a big This is the main couple, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean that they lived together, Billy and Allison.
Speaker 2: Well they ever get together, and this is the episode
Speaker 2: where they finally do. We'll see how long it lasts,
Speaker 2: we see how we'll see how it goes. But this
Speaker 2: was it. And yeah it ends with the whole episode
Speaker 2: ends with the your my ever lasting love and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of juicy stuff in this one.
Speaker 3: That's really fun, very satisfying ending to this episode yeah.
Speaker 1: It just ends and story begins.
Speaker 2: I love how one story is like building and beautiful
Speaker 2: and people yay, and the other one that's the demise
Speaker 2: of whatever they had, their marriage, their relationship. It's just
Speaker 2: ends so sickly, sickeningly where she just says, that's all
Speaker 2: I need to know. There was a great close up
Speaker 2: I thought there was a great close up of Michael
Speaker 2: there where you just see James. She's so open and
Speaker 2: Voldemore like, oh my god, and then you just see
Speaker 2: him like, oh god. There wasn't defense. I just thought
Speaker 2: it was really smart to be like, oh, Jane, you
Speaker 2: just see softness for a second.
Speaker 1: And only two more episodes left in this season of
Speaker 1: season one of Melroe's Place.
Speaker 2: Amazing, So we're gonna have a couple more episodes and
Speaker 2: also we have some cool guests coming up.
Speaker 3: Two more we do, Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies, thank you.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on the next one.
Speaker 3: I know. We'll see you for Milrah's Minute and again
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 2: For the weekend.
Speaker 1: All right, Bye guy, by guys, Bye bye, super happy
Speaker 1: to peek.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on