Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador
Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with
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Speaker 3: So let's even talk about student debt for a second.
Speaker 4: Let's put a cost to go to school right, right,
Speaker 4: because that's that's an issue in itself that needs to
Speaker 4: be rectified. Right because traderations are still going to school,
Speaker 4: like you know, they're I'm graduating classes year after year.
Speaker 4: Who still are aspiring to take on this amount of
Speaker 4: money for an education that shouldn't be free. And to
Speaker 4: be honest, some of it is. Some of it that
Speaker 4: it doesn't equate to the costs, like the value of
Speaker 4: the experience is not adding up to the costs.
Speaker 3: But to your point, that's a whole, that's a whole.
Speaker 5: That's a whole nother, that's a whole less of you
Speaker 5: when so, But that's absolutely on point, right like us
Speaker 5: thinking about whose fault this is and how we got here,
Speaker 5: the blame has always been put on borrowers. Our country
Speaker 5: is built on debt, and everybody going to be in debt.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got to be in debt. They got to owe
Speaker 3: somebody else who owes money.
Speaker 5: And this narrative that it's the borrower's fault, that it's
Speaker 5: the person's fault for wanting to pursue a higher education,
Speaker 5: that is a It is a political argument because you know,
Speaker 5: parties and politics are a part of who divides that discussion.
Speaker 3: But it's really a question about our value on education.
Speaker 5: Just to begin with, So if you don't value education,
Speaker 5: then of course you're going to blame people who go right.
Speaker 5: If you value education and you think education should be
Speaker 5: a right, then you're going to figure out all the
Speaker 5: ways in which this government, when they create their policies,
Speaker 5: when they pass their policies and legislation, make education accessible
Speaker 5: for everybody. So to your point, and to this discussion
Speaker 5: I have, I try to avoid arguments. I like to
Speaker 5: work with the coalition of the willing right. Like everybody
Speaker 5: got an issue, they want to.
Speaker 3: Fight her, that's nice.
Speaker 4: I'm going to borrow that the coalition of the willing.
Speaker 5: Listen, everybody got a problem, Okay, everybody got a problem
Speaker 5: with something. And I've been doing this work for twelve years,
Speaker 5: and so there's some times where I will engage in
Speaker 5: conversations to convince people. But then there are some folks
Speaker 5: who are just built to understand that you should pull
Speaker 5: yourself up by your bootstraps, that it's the borrower's fault,
Speaker 5: that education is only a shouldn't only be accessible to
Speaker 5: people who can afford it or who deserve to go
Speaker 5: And I just don't subscribe to those notions.
Speaker 3: There's everybody deserves to go to school. I don't get
Speaker 3: excuse me, I don't.
Speaker 5: Care about the cuss I don't care if you just
Speaker 5: do two years and change your mind, go to school.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, are like, oh, no, you
Speaker 5: wasted money. No no, no, no, I don't think the education
Speaker 5: will ever be a waste.
Speaker 3: So just go.
Speaker 5: And when we talk about cancelation, it is the reframing
Speaker 5: of our mind in conversations around who's fault. It actually
Speaker 5: is the government has increased our tuition one hundred and
Speaker 5: thirty percent. And if you look at most schools across
Speaker 5: the country that are public institutions that get federal funding,
Speaker 5: that money is not going back.
Speaker 3: To the students.
Speaker 5: That money is going to hire executive principles and executive officers,
Speaker 5: and to pay for new buildings and to buy new
Speaker 5: cars and to do all these things.
Speaker 3: It's not going to the workers. It's not going to
Speaker 3: the students.
Speaker 5: UCLA right now is trying to expand its campus so
Speaker 5: they can recruit students to get more income. But students
Speaker 5: are living in the lounges in the dormitories, and they're
Speaker 5: not going to the constitution. I teach at U See
Speaker 5: Santa Cruz and my students during the pandemic, paid the
Speaker 5: full cost of tuition, paid for housing and food, and
Speaker 5: didn't get the services because they were at home and
Speaker 5: did not get a refund. What they did get was
Speaker 5: three COVID masks and a box of COVID tests.
Speaker 4: Lord, I mean you talk about injustice. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: it's it's it's insane to know the way. It's insane
Speaker 4: to know to understand the system and how it's been working.
Speaker 4: And it's not only just institution of education, but you
Speaker 4: kind of see these same themes in all the other institutions, right,
Speaker 4: but it hits closer to the home when it's education
Speaker 4: because it is the it is the access to information
Speaker 4: that we need to make progress in our community. And
Speaker 4: so what what communities like our community has done is
Speaker 4: be able to tap into the the the masses of
Speaker 4: people who actually just want to have an experience with information, right,
Speaker 4: engage with information, learn, cultivate community around the information. And
Speaker 4: what schools have gotten away from, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: is actually building building community and building cultivating kind of learning,
Speaker 4: you know, this learning experience. Because of the concerns that
Speaker 4: it's just that are kind of answery around the issue
Speaker 4: of education. So if if if I've got away the
Speaker 4: cost of education and against the quality or the need
Speaker 4: for education, and come on, we all we all know
Speaker 4: the choice that that that that we're putting up against.
Speaker 4: And then it's not an a's a no win battle,
Speaker 4: like who wants to take on one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 4: of debt to go through four years of school? And
Speaker 4: so for young people who are still developing and still
Speaker 4: growing and looking to have experiences, it's it's it's almost
Speaker 4: like a dand if you do, damned if you don't.
Speaker 4: And what I've what concerns me is that too many
Speaker 4: people have become conditioned to accept that it has to
Speaker 4: be this way. And so I hear the fire in
Speaker 4: in in you know, from from you, but I hear
Speaker 4: the fire from you know, other people as well in
Speaker 4: our community. But I don't know that that. I don't
Speaker 4: know that the young people, the younger generator.
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Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from El Salvador
Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas. Man of Venezuelan charged with
Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just
Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christine Noman, the United States
Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border
Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you
Speaker 1: are here illegally, your next you will be fine nearly
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned and deported, you will
Speaker 1: never return. But if you register using our CBP home
Speaker 1: app and leave now, you could be allowed to return
Speaker 1: legally do what's right. Leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws,
Speaker 1: border and families will.
Speaker 2: Be protected sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 4: That it's that they're attaining the information because I think
Speaker 4: it's also ingrained into their parents. I think there's I
Speaker 4: think the work that we're calling I think the work
Speaker 4: that we're called to do is to create new narratives
Speaker 4: right in new paradigms and to make that intergenerational. And
Speaker 4: so what I hear you saying is is this intergenerational
Speaker 4: kind of work that needs to not only land on
Speaker 4: the doorsteps of of institutions, but also households in our community.
Speaker 4: And so can you can you talk about some of
Speaker 4: your experience in kind of the community work, how do
Speaker 4: we galvanize community around these new narratives when it comes
Speaker 4: to education, Because what I tell my students when they
Speaker 4: make an educational decision that they're actually making a business.
Speaker 4: And I kind of frame it in the lens of
Speaker 4: it being transactional that if I'm going to spend this whatever,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to spend this number, then I need
Speaker 4: to know the value of what my degree is or
Speaker 4: the area I study and so I tell my students,
Speaker 4: I'm not sending you to college so that you can
Speaker 4: go have this exploratory kind of magical experience. You know,
Speaker 4: we're going to do that here now. While it's free.
Speaker 4: When you go, you're going to go with a plan
Speaker 4: and a purpose so that you can then build. And
Speaker 4: I don't I know that. I know that, listen, I
Speaker 4: know that in that's a rarity in education because I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people just pump this notion that
Speaker 4: go to school, go to school, go to school, and
Speaker 4: then you'll figure it out. And that's been a detriment
Speaker 4: to my community. So in terms of community outreach and
Speaker 4: preparing and kind of I guess I want to say
Speaker 4: equipping our our parents are community leaders with new narratives.
Speaker 4: What does that been like to be in the fields
Speaker 4: and spreading that disinformation about the student the student loan crisis.
Speaker 5: It's what you said, it's intergenerational. So I'll talk about that,
Speaker 5: but it's also.
Speaker 4: Seasy go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5: So what I mean by that is that the current
Speaker 5: borrowers who this recent announcement impacts are anybody who got
Speaker 5: their loans dispersed after June thirtieth of this year, So
Speaker 5: anybody after that does not qualify for any of this
Speaker 5: program stuff that Joe Biden's talking about, which I hope
Speaker 5: we get a chance to dissect them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's coming next. We got to get there.
Speaker 3: Okay, we talk about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, please bring us there.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, so there's that, And so there are people
Speaker 5: who are currently seniors in high school who need to
Speaker 5: make the choice that am I going to go to
Speaker 5: college or am I not going to going to college?
Speaker 5: And how much will it cost? And how much will
Speaker 5: my family have to take out? And will I have
Speaker 5: student loans? And does this cancelation stuff impact me? Then
Speaker 5: there are current students on campus who are not paying
Speaker 5: back their loans right now, don't need for the next
Speaker 5: two three four years until they graduate. And then there
Speaker 5: are people who are like me who have been graduated,
Speaker 5: who are borrowers, who have taken out loans who get
Speaker 5: thet So there's generations.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, sure, sure, But then it's seasonal.
Speaker 3: It's seasonal in the sense that we have an internal deadline.
Speaker 3: We're waiting for an application.
Speaker 5: If you were applying for the current forgiveness program, the
Speaker 5: public student loan forgiveness program. There were some amendments that
Speaker 5: were made that made it easier, and you have until
Speaker 5: October thirty first, the next twenty seven days to apply for.
Speaker 3: Public student loan forgiveness.
Speaker 5: The application is still open, but they made some they
Speaker 5: made some changes to the waiver that are real technical,
Speaker 5: so people can apply now. The announcement that Joe Biden
Speaker 5: announced that application closes December twenty twenty three, so people
Speaker 5: have now until the next year.
Speaker 3: I mean, repayment start on the January first, so fill
Speaker 3: it out asap. I don't even know why they you're
Speaker 3: talking about it.
Speaker 4: Get to it.
Speaker 3: If you do it, get to it and do it now.
Speaker 5: But there is still December twenty twenty three for that.
Speaker 5: So there's the internal timeline season of when we have
Speaker 5: to apply for this current cancelation. But then there's the
Speaker 5: season of the movement of education right education justice as
Speaker 5: some people like to call it. And well, like I
Speaker 5: said in two thousand and seven, when I first learned
Speaker 5: about student loan debt cancelation, or I start talking about
Speaker 5: free education, one nobody in Congress talking about free cancer.
Speaker 5: Nobody one. We'd have a big We didn't have legislation,
Speaker 5: what we did have was well, let's just increase the
Speaker 5: pail grant. Let's try to do tuition freezes, and like
Speaker 5: those were not happening across the country, and the peil
Speaker 5: grant wasn't increased. They're like, well, let's change the fast
Speaker 5: fus so it's in multiple languages, which is like in
Speaker 5: three languages now, right, it was to your point and
Speaker 5: to some of our critics, which I am definitely a
Speaker 5: critic of all the things that have happened in Congress
Speaker 5: right now around well, these are just incremental changes, right,
Speaker 5: Like all they changed the fast fus so it's in
Speaker 5: more languages. Oh, they increase the pel grant. Those are
Speaker 5: small games and small wins. But I'm looking back as
Speaker 5: an organizer over the last decade and saying the movement
Speaker 5: of student organizers then and now had been able to
Speaker 5: advance a national narrative over the last two and a
Speaker 5: half years that says not only it's student loan debt
Speaker 5: a problem, but we're going to push it to make
Speaker 5: it a national priority. I don't care which debate you
Speaker 5: look back at in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: Let's get to twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: All the candidates had to take a stand That was
Speaker 5: one of the questions that the interviewees were saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, Warren, where are you on dead cancer?
Speaker 5: Okay, Biden Okay, Bernie Okay, Corey Bush, Okay, you know
Speaker 5: Amyklobajar Okay. Which I'll say about film no deck cancelation.
Speaker 3: We did that. We did that.
Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador
Speaker 1: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with
Speaker 1: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just
Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy Noman, the United States
Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border
Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens.
Speaker 2: Have been arrested.
Speaker 1: If you were here illegally, next you will be fine
Speaker 1: nearly one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned and deported, you
Speaker 1: will never return. But if you register using our CBP
Speaker 1: home app and leave now, you could be allowed to
Speaker 1: return legally. Do what's right. Leave now. Under President Trump
Speaker 1: America's laws, border and families will be protected.
Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,