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Speaker 3: So let's even talk about student debt for a second.

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Speaker 4: Let's put a cost to go to school right, right,

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Speaker 4: like you know, they're I'm graduating classes year after year.

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Speaker 3: But to your point, that's a whole, that's a whole.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's got to be in debt. They got to owe

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Speaker 5: And this narrative that it's the borrower's fault, that it's

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Speaker 3: But it's really a question about our value on education.

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Speaker 5: Listen, everybody got a problem, Okay, everybody got a problem

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Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, are like, oh, no, you

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Speaker 5: And when we talk about cancelation, it is the reframing

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Speaker 4: That it's that they're attaining the information because I think

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Speaker 5: And how much will it cost? And how much will

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Speaker 5: student loans? And does this cancelation stuff impact me? Then

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Speaker 5: there are current students on campus who are not paying

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Speaker 5: who are borrowers, who have taken out loans who get

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Speaker 4: Right yeah, sure, sure, But then it's seasonal.

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Speaker 3: It's seasonal in the sense that we have an internal deadline.

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Speaker 3: We're waiting for an application.

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Speaker 5: If you were applying for the current forgiveness program, the

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Speaker 5: public student loan forgiveness program. There were some amendments that

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Speaker 5: October thirty first, the next twenty seven days to apply for.

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Speaker 3: Public student loan forgiveness.

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Speaker 5: The application is still open, but they made some they

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Speaker 5: made some changes to the waiver that are real technical,

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Speaker 5: so people can apply now. The announcement that Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: I mean, repayment start on the January first, so fill

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Speaker 3: it out asap. I don't even know why they you're

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Speaker 4: Get to it.

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Speaker 3: If you do it, get to it and do it now.

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Speaker 5: But there is still December twenty twenty three for that.

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Speaker 5: So there's the internal timeline season of when we have

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Speaker 5: to apply for this current cancelation. But then there's the

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Speaker 5: season of the movement of education right education justice as

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Speaker 5: some people like to call it. And well, like I

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Speaker 5: Nobody one. We'd have a big We didn't have legislation,

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Speaker 5: what we did have was well, let's just increase the

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Speaker 5: those were not happening across the country, and the peil

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Speaker 5: fus so it's in multiple languages, which is like in

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Speaker 5: three languages now, right, it was to your point and

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Speaker 5: small games and small wins. But I'm looking back as

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Speaker 5: it a national priority. I don't care which debate you

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Speaker 3: Let's get to twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: All the candidates had to take a stand That was

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Speaker 1: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President

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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christy Noman, the United States

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens.

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Speaker 2: Have been arrested.

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Speaker 1: If you were here illegally, next you will be fine

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