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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and that's what you're really miss podcast.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we should open this with like big

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Speaker 2: Just imagine everything we're saying.

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Speaker 1: Just a silhouette, big red lips for like a cutout. Yeah, okay, Hello, have.

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Speaker 3: Rockey Chai characters, Brad so good, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Today we're gon

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's been

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty years.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be us ly well.

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Speaker 1: Also behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Today, the day we're recording this.

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Speaker 1: Happy anniversary, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Happy anniversary, Jenna.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years. Has it been five hundred fifteen years? This

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Speaker 1: is our fifteen year anniversary, friend rosary?

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Speaker 2: Is it fifteen?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Seventeen years? Jenna? Oh when you look better than ever,

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Speaker 2: you bitch?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, I okay, wow, seventeen Happy anniversary.

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Speaker 2: You're stuck with me.

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Speaker 3: I think they say, like after a certain amount of years,

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Speaker 1: Like if you've been friends for a certain amount of time.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, whatever, that is, we're beyond that.

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Speaker 1: No, we double that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a growth. You know, I'm not going anywhere. Assist, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can't get me removed. Even when you push it out,

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Speaker 3: No, you know, like assist when you like are a blackhead,

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Speaker 3: Like when you when you use it and it comes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're like what, yeah, it's me.

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Speaker 3: Well, happy anniversary, Happy anniversary. Here we are recording the

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Speaker 1: I find it really I find rocky Horror.

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Speaker 3: So so interesting. There are times where I like, it's

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Speaker 2: I don't have a hate for it, Okay, got it.

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Speaker 2: I I think it's like to love. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that Adam Shankman watching this movie again.

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Speaker 2: I think this movie's really special. Obviously, we're going to

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Speaker 2: Rocky Horror has had fifty years on now where you know,

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Speaker 2: And I just kept thinking about when you're doing a

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Speaker 2: You know, Jenny, how do you feel about this movie?

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Speaker 3: But I'm also appreciative that, like you know, this movie

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Speaker 2: It has done so well.

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Speaker 2: I love that it's an ode to like sci fi

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Speaker 3: And also just bringing Rocky Horror like likely did for

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Speaker 3: It really goes on. Oh God, these songs just give

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Speaker 2: Like every song is a highlight. Okay, science fiction double feature,

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Speaker 2: Why don't they do that on Broadway? Off Broadway? Don't

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Speaker 2: That could be fun, Like I feel like Rocky Horror

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Speaker 3: very groundbreaking at the time, and.

441
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: The you know, it's seen as indecent. But I beg

442
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: to differ.

443
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, America has always been pretty puritanical.

444
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: A lot of the critics hated it starting out, Like

445
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: we said, they called it tasteless, vulgar, nonsensical, and gained

446
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: its legendary status their midnight screenings and fan culture through

447
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: the people, because I mean.

448
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: The people are kind of important.

449
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: Of course. Also this comes along with censorship and over

450
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: the years, like schools, TV networks, and theaters so sometimes

451
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: sensored the movie or banned it due to the sexual

452
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: content and themes, which you know was sort of addressed

453
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: in the Glee episode. And also I obviously did not

454
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: even realize at the time how amazing it was. We

455
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: were even doing it on a prime time network TV

456
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: show in America on Fox.

457
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, it's true. It's really pretty amazing. Yes.

458
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember I completely forgot I had

459
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: never seen Rocky Horror.

460
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: You had never seen it.

461
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: I had never seen it. And we were living together

462
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, it's fine. You're like, no, it's fun.

463
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: Like you were, you know, you were a little warm

464
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: about it, and we sat down and we watched it,

465
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: Like I remember sitting down in our living room watching

466
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: it together.

467
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: We did. Yes.

468
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: I was so resistant to it. I did not want

469
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 2: to watch it. I was like, I just it's one

470
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: of those things. Don't hate me for saying this. I'm

471
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: going to be honest, Tier safe Space. It's sort of

472
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: how I feel sometimes about David Bowie's music, or like

473
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: classic rock music, where in theory there's something about it,

474
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: like the sound that makes me uncomfortable and I don't

475
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: want to listen to it, But then when I do

476
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: listen to it, or when I did eventually watch Rocky Horror,

477
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: I really really enjoy it. It's more of like the

478
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: thought of it that turns me off as opposed to

479
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: the actually actual thing.

480
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. No, I totally I

481
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: feel the same way. And I think when I first

482
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: watched Rocky Horror, I'm like, getting me to actually press

483
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: play on some of these things is really difficult. But

484
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: I didn't even have that with like Hairspray a little bit.

485
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's not my favorite, and then

486
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: like you play it and you're like, oh my god,

487
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: I love this.

488
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

489
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: There's just some things that I feel like kind of

490
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: a verse stupid. I'm proven wrong often, Kevin. There's because

491
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: it's a fiftieth anniversary, which is so major. There's a

492
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary documentary out in theaters right now called The

493
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: Strange called Strange Journey The Story of Rocky Horror.

494
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: And I'm unfortunately but you know, the time that we're

495
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: recording this is not out yet, and I know I

496
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch that. Oh, watch the movie and

497
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: then you're going to have all these questions. Yeah, I

498
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: just feel like it's a miracle anytime get anything gets

499
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: funded and gets made and something that is sort of

500
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: revolutionary like this, How that could even happen in the

501
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: first place, and how it's had legs and what that

502
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: legacy means to people is I just think so interesting

503
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to watch it. I mean, so

504
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: many people from the movie are in it as well,

505
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Rachel Brian, Tim Curry, Since Sarrandon, Barry Boswick, and then

506
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: also you know, Trixie Mattel and Jack Black. Now Jack

507
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: Black would be an incredible Eddie.

508
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I also need I need to hear from this

509
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: original guest. Yes, I need to hear.

510
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: I need to know you know, well, like we also know,

511
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: like we've had little bits over the years, Like I

512
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: know Tim Curry has said, like when the movie came

513
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: out and it was critically panned and it didn't do well.

514
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: That really affected him, especially it was his first film role.

515
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: And you know, in hindsight, it's great to like Rocky

516
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: Horror we know now is like iconic and revolutionary, but

517
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: at the time when you're a part of something that

518
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: is seemingly a failure, like, how do you get past that?

519
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Because it's you can't see into the future. You don't

520
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: know that it's going to be looked back and adored,

521
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: right fifty years on.

522
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: Right, fifty years later, there'll be documentaries on it, right,

523
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, still one of the longest running you know films.

524
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this movie is it looks into the origin

525
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and of the.

526
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: Biggest cult film of all time and its impact on

527
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: popular culture and socio political resonance to this day fifty

528
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: years later.

529
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: What's also amazing is that the movie like takes the

530
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, the fringe theater aspect of London and like

531
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: traces like you said, this whole journey and you know,

532
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: now having done some fringe theater in London, Jenna, I

533
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: think this echoes the sentiment of London has always been

534
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: a place that has been really welcoming to different types

535
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: of stories in theater and there's I think there's more

536
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: opportunity for it there. People are more willing to go

537
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: in and see strange camps whatever it may be. Sometimes

538
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: it works, sometimes it doesn't. But the theater scene there

539
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: is ripe with openness still to this day, I think

540
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: in a way that America possibly is not totally And

541
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: I love that this is where this came from. And

542
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: I think that also, you know, we talked about everyone's

543
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: commitment level, and you can speak to this more than

544
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: I can. About when you have done all the steps

545
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: to get something on a stage in front of people,

546
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: you have lived in that and we talked about it

547
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: with hairspray, where these things are tested in different ways,

548
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: and especially if you have the same actors that are

549
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: playing the characters in a movie that did it on stage,

550
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: where you know these characters so insanely well, yeah, and

551
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: you've had the fun to play with it, and then

552
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: like you're comfortable to still then play that on film

553
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: presumably right, Like the kookiness of it, like when you're

554
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: watching something people may not be necessarily realizing they're watching

555
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 2: somebody you like, put something on that doesn't feel as

556
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: organic and natural right right, where in a show like this,

557
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: it would be really easy to do because it feels

558
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: like that's what you're supposed to do. But all these

559
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: characters feel very like real in some way. It feels

560
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: like it's a Yes, it's a satire, it's a parody,

561
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: it's an ode to a genre, but nobody is playing

562
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: a parody.

563
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: It's like it's like they're playing into this world right

564
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: and and just really leaning almost too far in. But

565
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: it works for this because it's the satire at all, right,

566
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: where it's so it's so big that it's believable.

567
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Like there's like there's just like.

568
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: A believability, a willingness to lean into like the dramatic

569
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: of it.

570
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Like I think.

571
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: I think that's why it works so well, is like

572
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: these people do still seem human even though they're turning

573
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: into stone, like you know what I mean, Like they

574
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: still feel human. And I think Brad and Janet are

575
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: the way into that, right. They are the ones who

576
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: come in from outside into this weird world and are

577
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: like come into our world.

578
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: And Brad and Janet buy into.

579
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: It so quickly that like you're like, okay, I'm it right,

580
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Like right, there's there's the entry point.

581
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then and.

582
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: Then you're just like this kind of weird but like

583
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: not really like they're not they're not breaking that wall

584
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: of like what is going on. They're just kind of like, oh,

585
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: we were lost and now we're in this weird home, you.

586
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Know, which is also why like the sci fi and

587
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: horror stuff that happens like murder, yes, and you have

588
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: like a Frankenstein's monster yeah, and.

589
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Eating the eating Eddie and you know, and if we're.

590
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: Going back to our planet and it's like none of

591
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: that is questioned, like I bought all of it just

592
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: because everything is done so unapologetically. Yeah, like it's done

593
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: also brazenly that I'm like, I just like, yes, of

594
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: course that's what this is.

595
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: And I think there's like a part of it because

596
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: of it, like the be horror of it, like and

597
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: the inspiration, Like those P horror films are kind of

598
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: at that level of extreme and dramatics that it's not

599
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: completely unfamiliar, right, it's just elevated in rocky horror so

600
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: and with music, right, full musical, which was even better,

601
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know, the music draws you in so

602
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: much more than I don't know.

603
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: These P horror films are just.

604
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Not my thing, and I again appreciate it the art

605
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: of it, but it's not my thing, and so the

606
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: music was my way into this to this piece greatly.

607
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: I think if the music had not been so the

608
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: music is expertly yes written, and is of the time,

609
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: Like they're just really good, like seventies rock songs, inaccessible,

610
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: whereas I think they're not polarizing. No, they're in their sound.

611
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: I think the horror movies and like sci fi horror

612
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: movies are pretty polarizing our specific taste. Yea, You and

613
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: I would not normally even a parody of it, yea, Right,

614
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't even normally be into it. Right.

615
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: That's a good point. No, that's a really good point.

616
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm curious, like what you think, Like, obviously a lot

617
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: of these themes and these ideas in this like political

618
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: social state of the world, like this still rings and

619
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: resonates with people. What do you think, like if this

620
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: were to premiere in twenty twenty five, like.

621
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: What what.

622
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: How would people do this? I mean with a country

623
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: so divided? I don't I feel like this might be

624
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: the same would have been a similar experience for the film.

625
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think the only difference is

626
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: I think there would be a bigger public square for

627
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: people to appreciate it. We have more access to everybody,

628
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like, as much as things feel like

629
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: they're going backwards for the queer community, there are still

630
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: public platforms where queer voices are going to be heard,

631
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: regardless of you agree with them or not. So I

632
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: think if it were to come out today, there would

633
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: absolutely be backlash, would absolutely be critics being like this is.

634
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: But still I think on the flip side, there would

635
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: be more people who understand it publicly and speaking critically

636
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: of it and would be able to voice that, and

637
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: so I do think there would be more of a

638
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: way to champion it publicly because back then there wasn't

639
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: all this access, like everybody had an equal sort of

640
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: voice as you do now. Back then it was the

641
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: critics are very much just the critics, and that's who

642
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: we listened to. M m mmm. You didn't have ways

643
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: to hear opinions like that.

644
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, right, Well, No, I think that's right. I

645
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: think that's right. I think I.

646
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: Think it would do really well with the people like

647
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: it did back in the day, Like the audiences, that's

648
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: what really the fans made this film what it is

649
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: right yes day. And I think there's like a sense

650
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: of community in it, right, like you know, including the

651
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: you know, the queer community, but also just in general

652
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: bringing people together who don't feel like they fit in

653
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: in one box like this like idea of nonconformity and

654
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: like being able to like celebrate.

655
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: Who you are and be and really be who you

656
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: are in this society.

657
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: It's like a place to come and I think like

658
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: coming together and singing songs together in a dark theater

659
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: and like and just enjoying who you are and embracing that,

660
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: Like I think is why it's lasted so long.

661
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: It's just a release. It's not like anybody's showing up

662
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: being like, oh this story means so much to me, right,

663
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: like the narrative of this way right. No, it's the community.

664
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: It's being in community. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that that

665
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: takes time, Yeah, like that is that is not something

666
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: that would happen on a release weekend like that does unfortunately,

667
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: just take time. And it's two years, fifty years, and

668
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: it's why this movie was made for like one point

669
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: six million and has made now I think over one

670
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five million worldwide. Speaking of that, this movie,

671
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sure when it came out because everything

672
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: was shot on film, and like you know, people say

673
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: it looks like so low budget. I don't think it

674
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: looks that low budget, No, because I think, one, you

675
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: have the advantage of everything on film looks a little

676
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: better because it's like grainy and you have that film equality.

677
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: But I also think like the genius of using like

678
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: one building the entire time, of having everything exists in

679
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: the same place. Yeah, it's like sort of how you

680
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: maximize a budget.

681
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

682
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: And because it's like a surreal fantasy, right, you can

683
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: get away with things looking maybe cheap or unrealistic because

684
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: of it, right, And it's I think it's just shoped

685
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: really expertly, truly.

686
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: I think back I would have liked to see this

687
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: back in the seventies.

688
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Like in the context of what was out at the time.

689
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: Yes, because then you can understand if it was style

690
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: it was stylistically designed in that way intentionally, or if

691
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: it was oh we have this much money, because like

692
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: it's pretty impressive what people can do is these days

693
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: on a low true, and not even with the technology.

694
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm just saying in general, like I've seen very impressive

695
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 3: short films, independent films that don't have a huge budget

696
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: that are shot so beautifully in the story and everything

697
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: is just comes together. So I don't know, I think

698
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: I feel like this would have been polarizing in a

699
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: way because it's so it's so it's satire and so,

700
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: but I think it was intentional, Like that's my gut was, like,

701
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: it was intentional.

702
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: Well, you have to lean in. I you can't fight

703
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: the fact that you have a little budget, right exactly,

704
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, if they wanted it to be like

705
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: a really like a movie like Past Lives for example,

706
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: like you could do on a smaller budget because there's

707
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: less happening in every scene, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

708
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: it's sort of like a two hander and you have Yeah,

709
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 2: this isn't that, so you sort of have to lean

710
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: into whatever it is you're doing. We have a small

711
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: budget and we have this craziest thing we're doing. M

712
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: hmm yeah, yeah, no, totally totally. What is your favorite

713
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: musical number in this God? Probably sweet transistite.

714
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah it is.

715
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: I love a good introduction to a character.

716
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of these are that.

717
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but like what an introduction. Yeah, I of all,

718
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: and at this point in the movie, it's just like

719
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: banger after banger after bank. Yes, it's like all of

720
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: the most famous songs, just back to back.

721
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: To over the frank simple, it's time words transvestite Like

722
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: it's no, I think you're right.

723
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you.

724
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: I think set transvestate sticks out the most to me.

725
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Uh performance, the song, the the number, like the story

726
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: driving of it all, like the character, the the the

727
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: extremes to which he goes like, it's just it's so effective.

728
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: Also, like how do you do that much exposition and

729
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: still just make it like hot?

730
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's so good.

731
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: I get tim was probably so sad that it didn't

732
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: do well initially and it was considered the failure that

733
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: it wasn't because you could tell how deeply these actors

734
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: loved what they were doing, I hope, and you know,

735
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: you can kind of tell like how committed they were

736
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: and how in.

737
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: It they were.

738
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 3: They just you know, you just buy in so deeply

739
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, I just I just had

740
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: that thought.

741
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: But I have to say, also, the reason why I

742
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: said that thing.

743
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: Earlier about the Glee numbers being better, I didn't mean better,

744
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: but I will say like Touch a Touch to Touch

745
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: Me was more effective on Glee than in this content

746
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: in Rocky Horror. Now They're obviously very different and they

747
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: were not the same, but like I preferred watching the

748
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: Glee version of Touch a Touch It Touched Me because

749
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: it felt more I understood it more. Yeah, and it

750
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: was more exciting maybe the way Adam shot it, like

751
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: it was more exciting to me than like like like

752
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: you said, like you could do a lot with these numbers.

753
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: They could be.

754
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: A myriad of things, right, it could just live as

755
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: in its own song like Amber's version and Touch It

756
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: Touched Me.

757
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: It was just like one of those that I was like.

758
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I see now, I see now. And also the

759
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: time warp.

760
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: Though, oh my god, it's.

761
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: Very exciting to watch these numbers in this movie, very correct,

762
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: very exciting.

763
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: In the science fiction double feature, whoever's idea that was

764
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: to do.

765
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: The lips, Yeah, brilliant.

766
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Just two good.

767
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: I was wondering if the budget that we had in

768
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: Glee for that episode would have been bigger than the

769
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: entire budget of the.

770
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: Movie or the budget of this movie.

771
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: You know, at one point six, but the right that

772
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: would have been worth about seven million dollars of the time,

773
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: so it was more.

774
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely.

775
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: So I mean that's not a tiny budget, No, not

776
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: at all, not at all. No, I think it just

777
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: maybe looks cheaper than the budget I think it was

778
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: supposed to. Though. Yes, I agree, like it's supposed to it.

779
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: You gotta be that cast.

780
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: Do what they did. Yeah, but I also think when

781
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: you're trying to match them, like they're trying to make

782
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: an ode to a certain style of film, It's like

783
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: that takes money an effort to like do the thing

784
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: you're trying to.

785
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: I mean, the b horror films of the fifties they

786
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: look like that, and so to create that in the

787
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: seventies to be an ode to that, you have to.

788
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Go back a little.

789
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably looks so jarring compared to it. Like,

790
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: let's like watch Dog Day Afternoon and see what that

791
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: looks like comparatively. Yeah, you've been to the midnight screening

792
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: when you were in college. Have you ever gone again

793
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: and like dressed up and done the thing?

794
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: No again, you know me in Halloween before I kids,

795
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: not my thing, Like I I think i'd enjoy it

796
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: if I went like, but it's like clicking play for me,

797
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: like I, yeah, you have to get me there, and

798
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: then I know I would enjoy it, but like it

799
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: wasn't I would have fun like doing it now though,

800
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: with a bunch of friends going together, like again the

801
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: community aspect of it of like this is a group

802
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: effort and we're all gonna do this and make fun

803
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: of ourselves and like, joy that we could do it.

804
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: You've never done it ever.

805
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: No, I got invited to one last week. Actually, oh

806
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: my gosh, I was out of town. I couldn't go.

807
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: So cool, so cool. This would be like a Chris

808
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: Cole for a birthday party to me, you know, yes,

809
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: maybe we should pick that to him, Yeah we should, like, hey,

810
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: chrispher your birthday us. Also the table after dinner when

811
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: he pulls the tablecloth off and the body is there,

812
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: like that is like the quintessential you know moments where

813
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, right, this is a satire, like playing

814
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: on those horror films, so you have a deaf poty

815
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: underneath and everybody screaming at the top of their lungs

816
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: like it's so good.

817
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: It was so good. Also, I am upset that I

818
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: didn't get to have the fishnets and heels beneath the blanket.

819
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Yeah, where was that moment for you?

820
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm furious about it.

821
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: I would be do.

822
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: I remember somebody bringing it up at the time, like, oh,

823
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: are you gonna have that underneath? And I'm like, I

824
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: hope so, but nope, nope, didn't happen. I also think

825
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: this was the first It was the perfect thing for

826
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Glee to do as a sort of like first tribute

827
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: to a show.

828
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: I remember them playing with like what musicals are we

829
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: going to do on the show, and like tribute to

830
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: these musicals, and like obviously Greece was in everybody's minds,

831
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: and like I know they had talked about Spring Awakening

832
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: obviously because but they're like it's almost a little too

833
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: meadow with all of us, and so especially with Leah,

834
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: like and so I think I agree. I think this

835
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: was really just just very Glee of us to do something.

836
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean kind of be on the line, right, we've

837
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: passed the line now, but raising that bar of like

838
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: yes we are going to do this, and like Cord

839
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: and the gold Pants and like all of it.

840
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: It just I well, it's also representing the unrepresented, like yes.

841
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: Rocky, and then also having like Finn walked down the

842
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: hallway like it.

843
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: Just I don't know, like without his clothes. It's just

844
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: really I don't know, it just worked for the story

845
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: of Lee.

846
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: So I would also like to give Corey props because

847
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: watching I don't think I even realized at the time

848
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: of what a great like ode he was doing to

849
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: to Bury to Bury Yeah, like phenomenal.

850
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of them, really really good, what a fun time.

851
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: Still naming Rocky Horror, like when we were doing over

852
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: at the Frankenstein Place, I remember shooting that day and

853
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: like were you there, Yes, Nightmare just like popping out

854
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: of those cardboard cut outs like all day with that

855
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: fog on the stage was like, oh, we had so

856
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: much fun. Though we had so much fun.

857
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: I really did.

858
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Time warp was hard. Time warp was really really hard.

859
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: But Shankman attested to Shankman, Shankman allows you to feel

860
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: free into play in like a controlled way, which is

861
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: what Rocky Horror calls for even in those little moments,

862
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: and he really just as I think some consciously like

863
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: made that happen just because of how he is on set.

864
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Yep, I think we should play some performances.

865
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: Kevin, Okay, I mean there's a lots of great.

866
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: A science fiction double feature A Dammage, Janet A plus

867
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: Over the Rainstone Place as Time Warp A plus A

868
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: plus A plus plus Democles B plus B plus I

869
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: Can Make You a Man A A Whatever Happened to

870
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: Saturday Night A plus plus I Can make You a

871
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: Man Reprise Sure A Touch Touch Touch.

872
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Me B plus Yeah, B plus I Agree.

873
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: Eddie B plus B plus Why's Up?

874
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: Janet?

875
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: Weis A Yeah, Planet Dog B plus Rose Tint My World,

876
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: My God B plus Yeah. Fan Pair, Don't Dream It

877
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Speaker 3: be It.

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00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: A yeah. I think all these things at the end,

879
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: like wild Untamed Thing A yeah.

880
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: It kind of got a little although there's something about

882
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 3: the fanfare and the wild and untamed thing like I'm

883
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: going Home that felt like we transferred into the play,

884
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: like the stage play more.

885
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like did you like that or did

886
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: you not like that?

887
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: I did?

888
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 3: I think after playing in the house in the World

889
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: and then going to this other like location felt like,

890
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: all right, I'm boden now, so I'll I'm into it.

891
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: If I had watched that from the beginning, like why

892
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't we just be watching a stage play?

893
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: Right? I loved it. I loved it the whole ending sequence.

894
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And also you know, now knowing the the

895
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: legacy of the movie and how that is always mimicked,

896
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: and you know these midnight screenings like that's what's happening

897
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: is end section. Yes, yes, And it made me really

898
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: want to see a stage production of this, yes, yes.

899
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: And it made it made me think of Chicago.

900
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Right right right, Oh my god. I didn't even think.

901
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: About that, and I just thought it worked well. It

902
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: worked really well. It's for something that I think for

903
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: a satire to really work, it has to be really

904
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: really smart. Yeah, and I think this show and movie

905
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: are just really really smart. And like you're watching the

906
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: performance of this whole movie and then your actual then

907
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: you're watching a literal performance at the end of it,

908
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing just makes sense. Anyway, love it.

909
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: Give me the stage play and yeah, I mean while

910
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: on tame thing, I'm going home, I think it'd give

911
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 3: it all.

912
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: A yeah, a plus like what.

913
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean, him in that float in the pool, just

914
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: like I don't know, it was just everything I was

915
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: like I could watch this for days.

916
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: I could watch him Curry and anything.

917
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: But you know what I also love is everybody so

918
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: comfortable in their bodies, Like even Barry when he's like

919
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: cooking up with Tim Curry. Yeah, like everybody not to

920
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: be like, oh straight, guy did a gnything? Not even

921
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: that mean the movement of everybody in this movie, Yes,

922
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: everybody's so common, like.

923
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: Like Rod and Janet are also just like in their

924
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: underwear the whole time, and like you know, imagine like

925
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: just feeling like, oh where are my clothes and they're

926
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: just like they're in their underwear and You're like, oh, okay.

927
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah they're fine with it because I need to be

928
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: uncomfortable if they were uncomfortable.

929
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, let's do some tidy takes.

930
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Oucheez. I mean, I mean this.

931
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: Probably riddled with it. There's absolutely terminology issues.

932
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the transsexual terminology just doesn't.

933
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously there's like oh the consent and yeah exactly

934
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: with franken Furter ending up in the bed.

935
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a lot of like of that undercurrent

936
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: of that throughout the film that I'm like, I don't

937
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 3: know about that dance move time Warp man, Yeah, time

938
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: warp totally.

939
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 2: I love how time Warp was shot. By the way,

940
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 2: this is something that I want to see in more

941
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: musical movies. There's a certain type of shot and time

942
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: warp that is actually happens in a couple numbers. It

943
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: feels like it's an observer, like there's stuff in the

944
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: foreground a bit blocking it where almost feels like a

945
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: hidden camera.

946
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really made me feel like we were

948
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: you're in there. It was like we're catching something we're

949
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: not supposed to, like this private experience I see, I see,

950
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: And it made it really enjoyable to watch. And I

951
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: don't think we get that. Pov enough agreed.

952
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: That's a good point, good pitch. Good catch the song Transvestite, Yeah, prop,

953
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Prop.

954
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, shout out to the rainbow tinted water

955
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: like aquarium. That weird that Rocky is okay born out

956
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: of that's the Queen kay Roy.

957
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say Eddie's motorcycle is a good one.

958
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: The newspaper umbrella, Oh the beautiful.

959
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: I really loved that.

960
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty iconic.

961
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: Best line, Oh god, this is it's kind of like

962
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: your fault into the Woods, the Rocky Janet.

963
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: Yes, doctor, you just.

964
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: Got like that whole Brad. That segment is like one

965
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of the whole movie. I look

966
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: forward to it.

967
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say that. Okay, I think

968
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 2: that's just stupid good performance, MVP Jenna.

969
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Jim Curry.

970
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's undefeated, truly, Like I mean, everybody really but

971
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: but this is he is everybody was absolutely brilliant.

972
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: We left to do TikTok.

973
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: Okay, you ready, this is one of my maybe my

974
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 2: favorite one we've done thus far. So it's two minutes

975
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: and four seconds. Santana GCV iris on TikTok did one

976
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: second from every Glee episode and managed to find the

977
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: most unhinged moments of every single episode. I'm in it

978
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: a lot, like a lot like you, and it's a

979
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: lot of naya. It's mostly naya. I just think it's

980
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: so good. Excuse my language, but I think it's brilliant.

981
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, thank you Santana and GCV for making.

982
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: Yes the way you managed to find the most chaotic,

983
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: singular second from each forty minute masterpiece.

984
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: Really good?

985
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay, So next, in honor of us recently

986
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: watching Hairspray, we're going to be talking to the original

987
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: Tracy term Blood on Broadway, Miss Marissa Jarrett Winooker.

988
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I need the stories. We need to know how

989
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: it happened. It's a perfect musical and I need to

990
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: know how it happened.

991
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: The Genesis.

992
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Yes, the Genesis.

993
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, mister Shue, We're going to give you

994
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: a heads up for the assignment next week instead of

995
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: the morning of.

996
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: So we're going to be.

997
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: Watching what are we watching, Kevin?

998
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Jenna? Next we're watching Nashville, the pilot of the

999
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: TV show Nashville that ran for six seasons. I've never

1000
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: seen it.

1001
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: Can I wait till we go back and watch that again.

1002
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of it. We'll get into it.

1003
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: Go watch Netflix, or go watch Netflix. Go watch Nashville

1004
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: on Netflix, and then come back next week.

1005
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm nervous. I'm really nervous.

1006
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: No, you shouldn't be at all. You're gonna love it.

1007
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be.

1008
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: No, I think so. I don't know. I don't know.

1009
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: You could go either way. It really could go either way.

1010
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna tell you what I thought about it,

1011
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: because I I know.

1012
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: Don't tell me anything. Let's just only talk about it

1013
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: next week.

1014
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: I feel I not speak of it.

1015
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: It has a number of things working against it for me,

1016
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: which is why I think I didn't watch it right

1017
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: right being on a musical country music, being about the

1018
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: music business. I don't know.

1019
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: I know.

1020
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: I love Connie Britton, So stay tuned. That's what you

1021
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: really miss. Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram

1022
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure

1023
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

1024
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Speaker 2: See you next time.