WEBVTT - Study Hall: How to Become a Venture Capital Investor with John Henry

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<v Speaker 6>All right, so now we're gonna talk about VC. So

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<v Speaker 6>we talked about vcs before. Previously, we had an XNFL

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<v Speaker 6>play shot out to Mike Brown and he's doing equity

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<v Speaker 6>crowdfunding and he went to Duke he used to work

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<v Speaker 6>work in Silicon Valley, so he's Silicon Valley and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he told us about the whole VC process and all that.

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<v Speaker 6>But like I said, one of the good things about

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<v Speaker 6>Ernie Lisia is that it's kind of turned into like

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<v Speaker 6>a college course in sorts where it's like you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of these things you hear about, but nobody

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<v Speaker 6>really knows the inner workings of it. And from his perspective,

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<v Speaker 6>he told us from the outside end, but you actually

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<v Speaker 6>have a VC firm. Yes, so this is we're just

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<v Speaker 6>getting the apple sauce from the apple orchard. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 6>this is dope. So all right, all right, so we

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<v Speaker 6>gotta tell a story on this. How did you How

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<v Speaker 6>did you come into the venture capital world?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, so after I sold my business, I at that

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<v Speaker 8>time was very passionate about building some kind of startup

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<v Speaker 8>community in Harlem. So I did that and it initially

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<v Speaker 8>started as like a little meet up that we call

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<v Speaker 8>co found Harlem, and it just kind of turned into

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<v Speaker 8>you know, at that point, because I sold the business,

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<v Speaker 8>I had a lot more bandwidth and creativity and runway,

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<v Speaker 8>and I wanted to make some shit happen, and so

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<v Speaker 8>we added a little business model behind it. It was

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<v Speaker 8>not a great one, but it turned into incubator of sorts.

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<v Speaker 8>I convinced a developer to give me space for free.

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<v Speaker 8>By the way, this is a thing you can I learned.

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<v Speaker 8>I learned a lot through co Found Harlem because it

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<v Speaker 8>was a non for profit that focused on economic development

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<v Speaker 8>so improve in the area. And so that that got

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<v Speaker 8>me to interface with politics.

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<v Speaker 6>So clpful because people might not be familiar. Co Found

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<v Speaker 6>Harlem was an initiative that you started to help small

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<v Speaker 6>businesses in Harlem get capital right.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, it was the first incubator in Harlem, and so

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<v Speaker 8>that kind of project I stepped up a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>in my thinking. I got a little bit more macro

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<v Speaker 8>because I was going from just operating a business.

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<v Speaker 7>Now I'm helping other people operate.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm interfacing with politics because I discovered, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 8>politicians care about the area getting better, but more.

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<v Speaker 7>Important than politicians.

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<v Speaker 8>Politicians have power, but real estate developers have a very

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<v Speaker 8>long term interest in the area. I discovered longer term

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<v Speaker 8>than politicians because politics are just like looking for the

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<v Speaker 8>quick election.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, these momokers are here forty fifty years.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I pitched a developer to give me free space,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know, it was a very.

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<v Speaker 7>Bold thing, and she was like, why would I do that.

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<v Speaker 8>I was like, well, because I'm gonna incubate businesses and

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<v Speaker 8>the only thing I'm going to ask for them is

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<v Speaker 8>that they stay in Harlem.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I think that's one of the things you said

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<v Speaker 9>right that the businesses had to put their headquarters in Harlem.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, for four years.

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<v Speaker 8>It ended up it started as four I ended up

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<v Speaker 8>being two Oka and so anyway, so yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 8>were able to get free space because they were like,

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<v Speaker 8>all right, bet, like, we want the value of our

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<v Speaker 8>proper our main business residence is to go up. So

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<v Speaker 8>they had some retail that was opened, so our bet

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<v Speaker 8>cool take that. So yeah, so we got the space,

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<v Speaker 8>we got mentors, we made a little bit of buzz,

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<v Speaker 8>we got companies applying. All of a sudden, I'm running

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<v Speaker 8>an incubator. It's a non for profit incubator. I'm raising

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<v Speaker 8>money through grants and fund you know, and sponsors and

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<v Speaker 8>shit like that. And I inadvertently got into running kind.

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<v Speaker 7>Of an event's business. We had a little bit of

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<v Speaker 7>event That's.

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<v Speaker 8>When I really started dipping my toe into content and

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<v Speaker 8>building a community type business. And then eventually one of

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<v Speaker 8>my biggest donors, who I didn't know. His name is

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<v Speaker 8>David Rose. He's a very prolific angel investor. He's one

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<v Speaker 8>of the most active in New York City. He pretty

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<v Speaker 8>much was like, yo, I come from a big real

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<v Speaker 8>estate family. You might not know that, but I want

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<v Speaker 8>you to do what you did for cofound Harlem for

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<v Speaker 8>us and learn the investment side.

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<v Speaker 7>Can you describe what an angel funder?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, So an angel investor invests in startups with their

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<v Speaker 8>own money. A VC of venture capitalists invest in startups

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<v Speaker 8>with other people's money. And that's really the key distinction.

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<v Speaker 8>And so David Rose is a prolific angel and he

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<v Speaker 8>wanted me to He wanted to recruit me and help

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<v Speaker 8>him run a fund, as a real estate technology fund.

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<v Speaker 8>So we invested in real estate technology, not physical stuff,

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<v Speaker 8>property management software. And I told Dave, I was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't really know any of this. He's like, John,

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<v Speaker 8>we know real estate. You bring your energy.

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<v Speaker 7>So anyway, fast forward a year.

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<v Speaker 8>We learned, you know, we made some good investments, and

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<v Speaker 8>like I sourced the deals on my own, like I

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<v Speaker 8>did everything on my own because they was too busy

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<v Speaker 8>to really give me guidance. But the most important thing

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<v Speaker 8>I learned had nothing to do with the job itself.

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<v Speaker 8>It had to do with like the family had generational wealth,

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<v Speaker 8>Like they controlled thous dozens of thousands of units in

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<v Speaker 8>New York City. I mean truly a legacy family, man.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, when you go to you know, Dizzey's Club,

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<v Speaker 8>That's that's the Rose. You know the Rose Hall. If

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<v Speaker 8>you go to the American Museum of Natural History, it's

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<v Speaker 8>the Rose Planetarium. Like they're embedded in what it means

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<v Speaker 8>to be New York. Mister Rose, as David's father, large

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<v Speaker 8>and part funded Martin Luther King Junior's original Millienmire March

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<v Speaker 8>in nineteen sixty three. I mean, we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 8>legacy family. And so at that point, man, I really

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<v Speaker 8>caught the bug. I was like, yo, I gotta go

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<v Speaker 8>do this for us. So I went back uptown. I

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<v Speaker 8>met the fellas whom are now my partners at ACP.

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<v Speaker 8>They had their own background. They come from a more

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<v Speaker 8>academic background, and they were fortunate to be exposed to

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<v Speaker 8>finance early. You know, I learned this shit through being

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<v Speaker 8>an entrepreneur. They learned this through like there are pathways

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<v Speaker 8>and programs in place. There's one called SEO and there's

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<v Speaker 8>one called MLT. These are placement programs specifically for people

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<v Speaker 8>of color to break into investment banking. That's only in

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<v Speaker 8>New York or this is nationwide, I want to say.

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<v Speaker 8>And and yeah, these brothers actually all you know, they

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<v Speaker 8>the group was bigger back then.

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<v Speaker 7>They all met in these.

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<v Speaker 8>Placement programs, all working for banks, Goldman, Bank of America,

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<v Speaker 8>shit like that, and they decided like, yo, let's put

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<v Speaker 8>our bread to work. So that you know, they started

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<v Speaker 8>doing that, and they kept hearing about me, because that's

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<v Speaker 8>one thing. If you are top of mind at whatever

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<v Speaker 8>you do, you're going to get more opportunities. And so

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<v Speaker 8>you know, eventually they came on my radar, we met,

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<v Speaker 8>and we started investing together. And one thing to clarify,

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<v Speaker 8>and this is really important because you know, people want

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<v Speaker 8>to get into VC like they think, if you don't

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<v Speaker 8>have a million dollars, you can't do it. But in reality,

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<v Speaker 8>our first few checks were like ten or fifteen K

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<v Speaker 8>by the way, split between like five guys, so it's

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<v Speaker 8>like it was like literally two or three k each.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what you all came to the table, like

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<v Speaker 3>three thousand piece.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, that's enough right now. Now, Look, if you.

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<v Speaker 8>Can't make slash save enough to make two or three K,

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<v Speaker 8>you're not ready. But if you're not bullshitting and you're

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<v Speaker 8>serious about your shit, you can stack two K, two

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<v Speaker 8>or three K.

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<v Speaker 9>So five of you come up with three thousand, got fifteen,

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<v Speaker 9>We put together fifteen and then what's the vision now?

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<v Speaker 8>Like and then and then it's like, all right, bet,

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<v Speaker 8>now where do we put it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 8>And so the quality of your deal flow increases over time.

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<v Speaker 8>But at first, you know, we caught word of a

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<v Speaker 8>local cafe that was looking for money.

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<v Speaker 6>Cool.

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<v Speaker 8>We put a little bit of bread into that, got

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<v Speaker 8>to experience what it was like to be invested in

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<v Speaker 8>small business. We caught word of a dental practice. A

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<v Speaker 8>guy that was buying in dental practice is looking for money.

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<v Speaker 7>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, because you start communicating y'all, I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 8>businesses to invest in, you do get deal flow back.

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<v Speaker 8>You put it out and you start getting deal flow back.

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<v Speaker 8>We caught word of a venture company, and so we

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<v Speaker 8>invested in a couple of different few different assets.

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<v Speaker 7>The initial fifteen. No, we're grossing as we go.

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<v Speaker 8>No. So it was like we did capital calls, which

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<v Speaker 8>is like, hey, we found a deal, it's time to

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<v Speaker 8>put bread up.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's a capital call, and you hit the whole group.

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<v Speaker 7>Between all the five of you, there was like six six,

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<v Speaker 7>So there was like six all right.

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<v Speaker 6>So now it's like, okay, we put the first fifteen,

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<v Speaker 6>but you you have to put five more in.

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<v Speaker 8>Each Yeah, I mean five was a lot for me

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<v Speaker 8>at the time, but like you know, it was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>we found a deal. Who can put what was really

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<v Speaker 8>the question? And like if I was more liquid at

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<v Speaker 8>that time and really liked the deal, I might have

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<v Speaker 8>put four.

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<v Speaker 7>And then we might've had.

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<v Speaker 8>A partner who was like, ooh, I can only put

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<v Speaker 8>one right now, and so it would vary and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>over time.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>The interesting thing, and this is credit to my partners

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<v Speaker 8>at harm Capital, is like we always treated twenty five

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<v Speaker 8>k like it was twenty five million, and now we've

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<v Speaker 8>closed on twenty five million. So you know, so it's

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<v Speaker 8>just crazy because you got to treat the baby step

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<v Speaker 8>with as much respect as the end goal.

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<v Speaker 6>So how did you all right, how did that work out?

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<v Speaker 6>As far as the first early like look at even

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<v Speaker 6>the first deal that you had a dentist office or

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<v Speaker 6>the bakery. You gave him like what like five thousand

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<v Speaker 6>dollars something like that or yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>So so the way the actual mechanics is, I know

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<v Speaker 8>Yl likes to get into that is so the way

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<v Speaker 8>you do it is you form an LLC.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, and so each of the partners become members

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<v Speaker 7>in that LLC.

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<v Speaker 8>You name that shit whatever you want, and yeah, so

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<v Speaker 8>it ends up being what we call an SPV, which

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<v Speaker 8>is a special purpose vehicle, which is pretty much fancy

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<v Speaker 8>talk for saying like, hey, anytime we invest in said company,

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<v Speaker 8>it's gonna come through this entity, right, And the LLC

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<v Speaker 8>is a fascinating legal entity because it's a flow through entity.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's like, you become members in that and like

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<v Speaker 8>you on the company. Let's say we invest in you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the cafe on that company's docs, on the formation documents

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<v Speaker 8>for that company, they're going to see Harlem Capital Partners

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<v Speaker 8>LLC on there.

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<v Speaker 7>But then you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, if we make a profit or a loss, the

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<v Speaker 8>profits and or losses from that entity flows through to

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<v Speaker 8>each of the individual partners. So it's really just like

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<v Speaker 8>a like a shield. It's like a step step away

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<v Speaker 8>is removed. So anyway you make an LLC, you invite whomever,

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<v Speaker 8>for anyone listening who wants to create a little syndicate.

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<v Speaker 8>That's what you call it, an angel syndicate. You invite

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<v Speaker 8>homies that you think are serious, you join the l

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<v Speaker 8>see you brand it, come up with a cool name,

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<v Speaker 8>and then you start communicating into the world at large

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<v Speaker 8>that you're looking to invest, and you know, and then

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<v Speaker 8>you look for deal flow, and that's you know, that's

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<v Speaker 8>how it works. And so we would put ten k,

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<v Speaker 8>and then I think we ended up doing like six

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<v Speaker 8>deals as angels, ten, fifteen, twenty if it was a

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<v Speaker 8>hot deal, ten if I was low on cash, and like, man,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not really about We haven't seen a dollar, by

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<v Speaker 8>the way, from any of the Angel investments we've made.

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<v Speaker 8>In fact, we've lost money. Yeah, the cafe closed down.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, we've seen some distributions from the dental practice,

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<v Speaker 8>but not really a lot of stuff doesn't work out

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<v Speaker 8>according to plan. But the most important thing is being

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<v Speaker 8>on the ride. Like I don't listen to anyone in

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<v Speaker 8>business who hasn't lost more money than me. Like, you

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<v Speaker 8>gotta get skin in the game. I can't take you

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<v Speaker 8>serious if you don't have skin in the game. Like

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<v Speaker 8>you guys got cameras, you got mics.

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<v Speaker 3>Lost a lot of money if this shit.

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<v Speaker 8>Wouldn't have worked, Like you know, you got the focus right,

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<v Speaker 8>you got the mac butt, Like you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 8>Like you guys are putting bread in you put bread

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<v Speaker 8>up to buy the shirts. You're putting bread in right,

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<v Speaker 8>and and so anyway, with the angel investing thing, it's

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<v Speaker 8>a lot more important to get in the game.

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<v Speaker 7>And you will not know this why.

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<v Speaker 8>At the beginning you asked me, like, yo, if I

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<v Speaker 8>got any book tips, and I said, I don't really

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<v Speaker 8>fuck with books, because you will not know what acid

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<v Speaker 8>class you like until you invest in it.

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<v Speaker 7>I thought I loved.

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<v Speaker 8>Investing in small business, and then I discovered I really

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<v Speaker 8>don't like this ship because when I was meeting with

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<v Speaker 8>the business owners, we were talking about napkins and forks,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm like, dude, you know, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 8>about scale, and you know, like this just wasn't It

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 7>I discovered that I like real estate a lot.

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<v Speaker 8>I love real estate. I wouldn't have known that unless

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<v Speaker 8>I jumped in. So I'm a really big fan of

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<v Speaker 8>jumping in. And if you can't jump in a big scale,

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<v Speaker 8>you're jumping in a small scale.

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<v Speaker 7>Just jump in. So how does that work when it's

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<v Speaker 7>six of you?

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<v Speaker 9>Right as far as decisions, is it like majority or

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<v Speaker 9>if it's like you know what, you don't like it,

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<v Speaker 9>you're just not part.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So it has changed over time.

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<v Speaker 8>So when we were an angel syndicate, it was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>are you interested.

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<v Speaker 7>Some folks might have said no.

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<v Speaker 8>But also, you know, going back to this business is

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<v Speaker 8>really a people first thing. You know, it's also respect

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<v Speaker 8>for your partners, because your partner might find a good

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<v Speaker 8>deal and you know, might have gotten in a good

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<v Speaker 8>rapport with that founder and then two months in it's

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<v Speaker 8>time to invest, and like, you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 8>support the fact that my partner's excited about this deal,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm gonna put I'm not going to step up big.

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<v Speaker 8>I might put up a thousand and be like yo,

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<v Speaker 8>all right, cool, you know, put that in the deal. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 8>when it's a hot deal, when it's by the way,

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<v Speaker 8>hot deals, you're not they're not pitching you, you're pitching

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<v Speaker 8>them to get in. Hot deals are oversubscribed, meaning a

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<v Speaker 8>company typically will raise a finite amount of capital that's

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<v Speaker 8>what we call around at a fixed evaluation. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 8>they'll say, hey, I'm raising one point five million dollars

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<v Speaker 8>at an eight million dollar valuation, i e. They're giving

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<v Speaker 8>away twenty percent of the company. And then if it's

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<v Speaker 8>a high deal, you get good funds in investing, and

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<v Speaker 8>so like a fund you know, is like for anyone

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<v Speaker 8>maybe doesn't know, is like you know entrepreneurs who go

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<v Speaker 1>Coach, the energy out there felt different. What changed for

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<v Speaker 1>the team today?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the new game day, scratches from the California

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<v Speaker 2>Lottery players, everything. Those games sent the team's energy through

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<v Speaker 2>the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying it was the off field play that

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<v Speaker 1>made the difference on the field.

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<v Speaker 4>A little play can make your day. Peace made responsibily.

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<v Speaker 4>Must be eighteen years or older to purchase plate or claim.

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<v Speaker 8>Paise money from the market. You know, in institutions and downmns,

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<v Speaker 8>shit like that. And you know they have a great

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<v Speaker 8>brand name. And over time, especially from Silicon Valley, you've

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<v Speaker 8>had prestige funds emerge. These are funds that have proven

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<v Speaker 8>track record that they know how to spot winners Sequoia, Benchmark,

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<v Speaker 8>Kleiner Perkins.

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<v Speaker 7>Whenever you see them on the cap table.

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<v Speaker 8>The cap table is short for capitalization table, which is

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<v Speaker 8>the page on your company's documents that shows who owns

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<v Speaker 8>what and so the cap table, you'll see a list

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<v Speaker 8>and it'll say NAS invested fifty K owns too PID. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>and so he also invests an angel you know such

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<v Speaker 8>and such invested this.

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<v Speaker 7>So the cap table. So we have this thing in VC.

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<v Speaker 8>You want to be on cap tables, you know, like

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of motherfuckers talking shit.

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<v Speaker 7>But I never see you on the cap table. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>you might be at.

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<v Speaker 8>The club table, but I don't see you at the

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<v Speaker 8>cat table at the crap table. Yeah right right, so

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<v Speaker 8>that's good on the cat table.

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<v Speaker 7>You ain't on the cat table.

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<v Speaker 8>So so so anyway, Yeah, when you see a marquee fund,

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<v Speaker 8>meaning a top fund on the cat table, it's a

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<v Speaker 8>competitive deal. That founder has options, and we were fortunate

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<v Speaker 8>a couple of times to squeeze into a very competitive deal.

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<v Speaker 8>And in those deals, when a deal is hot, you

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<v Speaker 8>want to make sure you as much as it costs you.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't care if you got to pawn your fucking watch,

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<v Speaker 8>get in the deal in as big of a way

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<v Speaker 8>as you can.

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<v Speaker 7>You might lose that money. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 8>But when you can get a good amount of exposure

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<v Speaker 8>into that deal, you know those deals that end up

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<v Speaker 8>doing ten twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>X, I'm an ask you a question for some good

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<v Speaker 6>deal before I forget this. The reason the reason why

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<v Speaker 6>I like this podcast is that we get to interview

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<v Speaker 6>people and nobody. Like the last guest that we had

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<v Speaker 6>was talking about stocks shot the Wallstreet Trapper and he

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<v Speaker 6>was saying how it excites him and like you I

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<v Speaker 6>could see like it's like you've seen paid in full before.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, okay, so so and.

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<v Speaker 6>Mitch, he was like I love a game. Obviously he

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<v Speaker 6>was talk about illegal game. But business is like a

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<v Speaker 6>it's like a competitive sport. So it's like, that's what

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<v Speaker 6>I really loved, Like even with Steve Jobs when he

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<v Speaker 6>said that it's the process that really excites him, not

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<v Speaker 6>even getting this is the journey. And it's like for

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<v Speaker 6>people I really want everybody to understand, even like with

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<v Speaker 6>the podcast, it's like it's ups and downs, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>an exciting ride.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and I could tell it.

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<v Speaker 6>I could see the excitement when you're telling a story,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's like for people that have never been entrepreneurs, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Just encourage just to have that feeling.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it's like a natural.

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<v Speaker 7>The feeling is everything, bro.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to ask you, so, how do you all?

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<v Speaker 8>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>So you started as Angel investors and you said that

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<v Speaker 6>didn't really work out for you guys for the most part,

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't profitable.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean so, so one thing to know is

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<v Speaker 8>like when you make an angel investment, the yield curve

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<v Speaker 8>on it, meaning the amount of time with which you're

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<v Speaker 8>expected to make anything back, if at all, is typically

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<v Speaker 8>seven to nine years because that's the average life cycle

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<v Speaker 8>of a business. And so when I say we haven't

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<v Speaker 8>made any money, it's like a chance for sure, and

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<v Speaker 8>we're in some companies that were expecting to make some

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<v Speaker 8>money back. But like you, I quickly found out, like

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<v Speaker 8>it's funny because you know I'm making you know, we're

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<v Speaker 8>making deals and every time we make a deal, and

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<v Speaker 8>we announced that deal, and so my social was blowing up.

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<v Speaker 7>Yo, your angel.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know, and then I'm I'm like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not seeing any money. Like it just literally feels

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<v Speaker 8>like you're just like your money's just disappearing because it

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<v Speaker 8>goes to work. And then what happens for anyone who

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't know how you make money adventure? You only make

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<v Speaker 8>money in venture on a liquidation event, which is the

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<v Speaker 8>company is sold. You do not contrary to small business investing,

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<v Speaker 8>if you invest in an ice cream shop, barbershop, restaurant, whatever,

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<v Speaker 8>you're yielding.

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<v Speaker 7>Profits, so you have a profit split.

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<v Speaker 9>So because the example would be like when nas Or

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<v Speaker 9>in his firm invest in Ring and then Ring gets

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<v Speaker 9>put by Amazon.

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<v Speaker 8>Or pill pack correct right, pill pack. So if you

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<v Speaker 8>invest in a restaurant, you're making quarterly dividends. You get

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<v Speaker 8>cash flows in venture because you're typically reinvesting profits in

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.640
<v Speaker 8>the business because growth and profits are inversely correlated. If

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<v Speaker 8>you want to grow, you got to sacrifice profits, and

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<v Speaker 8>so it's a very different kind of investing game. So

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<v Speaker 8>you don't invest in a startup with the pretense that

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<v Speaker 8>you're going to get profits.

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<v Speaker 7>You would be hurting that business. So the trick.

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<v Speaker 8>Is jumping in and getting in early at a nice valuation.

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<v Speaker 8>On average, we invest in businesses along the businesses that

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<v Speaker 8>are coming from the Midwest are on average valued between

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<v Speaker 8>four to six million inventure and businesses along the coast

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<v Speaker 8>are valued between eight to ten million. So now eighty

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<v Speaker 8>percent of m and A, which is mergers and acquisitions,

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<v Speaker 8>are happening right now between the one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 8>to two hundred million dollars price point. Like gimblet Media

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<v Speaker 8>got acquired for two hundred million by Spotify or whatever.

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<v Speaker 8>If I would have gotten into Gimli Media when they

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<v Speaker 8>were worth ten million, you do the math on that.

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<v Speaker 8>You get in at ten, they get sold at two hundred. Whoop,

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<v Speaker 8>you know you got a twenty x. So what money

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.239
<v Speaker 8>did you put into that deal? You know, if you

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<v Speaker 8>put in one hundred, that'll tell you what you net

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<v Speaker 8>at the back end. So anyway, I'm just clarifying how

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<v Speaker 8>you actually make money in venture. You get in into

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<v Speaker 8>the sweet spot, and then that business grows and if

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<v Speaker 8>you're fortunate, it gets acquired and then you net.

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<v Speaker 9>What's the difference between the valuation of cities that are

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<v Speaker 9>inland and the ones against the coast.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 8>And the real reason that businesses are priced differently based

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<v Speaker 8>on geographies is due to cost of living.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, so like.

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<v Speaker 8>Businesses make, you might make more as an individual in

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<v Speaker 8>New York, and so as a result, employees are more expensive,

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 8>offices are worth more and so, and there's also more

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<v Speaker 8>capital in that market, and so you can usually justify

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<v Speaker 8>a higher price point, Whereas I love investing in businesses

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<v Speaker 8>from the Midwest because they're reasonably priced.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, they say this is a nugget.

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<v Speaker 8>Vcs say that the actual valuation, the true valuation of

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<v Speaker 8>a business is the Midwest valuation. And then when you

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 8>go out to the coast you get inflated because when

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<v Speaker 8>you're in Silicon Valley, those motherfuckers will pay any price

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<v Speaker 8>for any business. And so we actually rarely invested, We

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<v Speaker 8>haven't invested in a single business from the valley, because

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<v Speaker 8>by the time they come to us, they're like, oh, yeah,

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 8>we're worth twenty million dollars. I'm like, show me a revenue.

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.119
<v Speaker 8>They got one hundred k revenue. I ain't paying twenty

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 8>million for one hundred k revenue. So, like there's one

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 8>thing to know as well. It's like there's actual different

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<v Speaker 8>investment climates among the coasts. The West coast is very like, yo,

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<v Speaker 8>we're looking at scale by any means, and the East

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 8>Coast is a little bit more like conservative, We're looking

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<v Speaker 8>for revenue and a little bit more modest growth, but revenue.

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<v Speaker 6>So how did you guys go? You have twenty five

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<v Speaker 6>million dollar war chests right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit beyond that. And we

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 8>get this a lot because people say, yeah, I want

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 8>to break into VC. Well, there's a number of ways.

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 7>You either.

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<v Speaker 8>Work at a venture firm, good luck breaking into one,

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 8>they're very exclusive, or like the path that we took,

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 8>we started as angels, and eventually once you have enough

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 8>of a track record you can you can go out

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<v Speaker 8>to the market as a whole and say hey, here's

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 8>my thesis, like here's my idea, and it could be

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<v Speaker 8>like our shit is around investing in the you know,

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<v Speaker 8>diverse founders, like we invest in women and minorities. But

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<v Speaker 8>that doesn't have to be your thesis. Your thesis could

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<v Speaker 8>be around sports, Your thesis could be around music. Yo,

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<v Speaker 8>I want to create a fund that invests in you know,

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 8>music companies, sports companies, sewage, you name it. And the

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<v Speaker 8>true test of whether you can raise a fund or

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 8>not is if you can convince enough people to believe

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<v Speaker 8>in your ship. And what I found out raising money

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 8>is there's a lot of montherfuckers with money for wealth.

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<v Speaker 9>You said you said that the founding the goal is

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<v Speaker 9>to invest in one thousand companies over the next twenty years, right, sir,

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<v Speaker 9>So that would mean like fifty companies, is that the goal?

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<v Speaker 9>Like you're doing fifty companies, we're.

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<v Speaker 8>Doing a thousand founders over twenty years. So like if

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 8>we invest in one company has four founders, we're counting

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<v Speaker 8>that as four. But yeah, the way our fund model

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 8>is structure. Right now, we're looking at doing uh, you know,

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 8>thirty deals out of this first fund and then you

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<v Speaker 8>know it'll accelerate, so it's not very linear. It's like

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<v Speaker 8>our first fund might be twenty five to forty million

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 8>our second fund is going to be one hundred million,

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<v Speaker 8>then court you know, then quarter billion and then a billion.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we're you know, we're thinking pretty big.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's our relationship people. You build relationship people when

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<v Speaker 6>they invest in your fund.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, that's right.

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<v Speaker 8>The same way that entrepreneurs are asking for money, we're

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<v Speaker 8>doing the same ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>And so the biggest misconception, like when we close our

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 8>fund and we make the announcement, I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 8>make a very big splash because we're gonna be like,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, young of color, and I think we we're

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.719
<v Speaker 8>gonna raise a considerable amount. People are gonna look at

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 8>the headline and automatically think.

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<v Speaker 5>That you.

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<v Speaker 7>Our bread.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, full disclosure, not our It's very important that.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of times people that Angel in the VC

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<v Speaker 6>they kind of get that mix and they think, if

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 6>you have a VC firm, all of that money is

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<v Speaker 6>your money that you're putting up.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and if you want so, I'll just break this

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<v Speaker 8>down quickly. The fund my all right, this is how

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 8>you make money. When you cross over from ANGEL to VC.

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<v Speaker 8>You get paid a what's called the two and twenty.

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<v Speaker 8>That's the fee structure. So the two refers to your

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 8>management fee. So whatever the total size of your fund is.

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<v Speaker 8>This is why your incentivized to go for a big fund.

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<v Speaker 8>Whatever the total size of that fund is, two percent

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 8>of that annually is what you make as your fee.

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 8>So on a twenty five million dollar fund, two percent

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 8>of that is five hundred grand, So you get five

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 8>hundred grand every year to pay for a salary, office, travel, everything. Now,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 8>if you know, with a team of four in office

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 8>and stuff like that, like you know, you might make

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 8>one hundred g's on salary, Like that's nice, but you're

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 8>not going to get rich off of that. You're not

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 8>meant to get rich off of that.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 7>The LP. There's two kinds of partners in the fund.

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<v Speaker 8>There's the GP, the general partner, which is the partner's

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 8>putting in the work, and then there's the LP's a

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 8>limited partners, the person who's investing. So your LPs do

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:00.680
<v Speaker 8>not want you to get rich off the fees because

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 8>then you would never work. You get rich on the

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 8>other side. I remember I said it's two and twenty

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 8>too is a management fee. The twenty is what we

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 8>call the carry, and the carry is your share of

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 8>the profits. So now because we can, because we can

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 8>get in a little detail.

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 7>I'll just explain this.

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<v Speaker 8>Typically, you as the GP, if you set out to

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 8>go raise a fund, your commitment to the fund. You

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 8>put up one percent of the total fund. Okay, So

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 8>if my partners and I are set out to raise,

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 8>as an example, twenty million, one percent of that is

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 8>two hundred thousand. So we have to come up with

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 8>two hundred g's across you know, the four of us. Okay,

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 8>bet now, but here's a mind blowing ship. Remember I

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 8>said the twenty is that refers to your share of

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 8>the profits, which is twenty percent. So we're making twenty

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 8>percent of the profits on twenty million. So it's just

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<v Speaker 8>like you know, I guess it might be complicated. It's

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<v Speaker 8>like ingrained in me now, so it's not the complicated

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 8>to me now. But like in a nutshell, you're if

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.959
<v Speaker 8>you can put together two hundred g's, it's buying you

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 8>a ticket to get the profits on twenty million.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, so that's two million.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it depends on how much money you make with

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 8>the twenty million, and that's the incentive. So it's like,

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 8>can you make this twenty million and turn it into

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 8>one hundred million. If you do, you get twenty percent

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 8>of that, you get twenty million millions.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's like it gets complicated, but like.

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<v Speaker 6>How can people if they want to move on to

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 6>the next segment? But I want to So if people

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 6>are interested in like pitching their business, It's like shark tank.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 3>How realistic is shark tank?

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<v Speaker 8>Shark Tank is to angel investing what Indiana Jones is out.

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 10>So they're not coming in front of you and you're not,

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<v Speaker 10>So how do they Jones to Indiana Jones?

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<v Speaker 7>Nothing like that shit?

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, So yeah, the real way is like people send

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 8>in a pitch deck and we you know, and then

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, if the pitch deck looks good, then we

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 8>will sign apart. There's different levels of a deal screen,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 8>so you know, pitch deck looks good, If not, then

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 8>we'll we'll we pass pretty quick. And we see a

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 8>thousand deals a year. We invest in ten deals a year,

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 8>so we're talking about a one percent investment rate.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 7>So if we see a hot deal.

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<v Speaker 8>One partner's jumping on the phone with that founder, then

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 8>that partner reports back with about a page of notes

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 8>to the rest of the team.

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Yo.

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<v Speaker 8>Cool, And then if there's interest, then another partner will

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 8>jump in as many partners as are interested. Then we

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 8>jump in with the full with the full team, we

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 8>try and get a fuller team situation, and we learn more.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 8>We have interns, so then our interns might go and

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 8>do market research and analyze what we can expect to make,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 8>and then interest grows. And usually you have every partner

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 8>leads their own deal at the fund. So it's all

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 8>about like a right, what deals? What deals am I getting?

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 8>Versus Brandon versus Jerry versus on reed, We're all looking

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 8>for our own deals. And to your question about voting,

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 8>we have a conviction over consensus philosophy. Like it's not

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 8>like all of us have to agree. It's like if

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 8>someone really worked up about this deal, and can you

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 8>get people excited, You're.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 7>Judging off the passion of one of your partners for.

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 8>Sure, and their ability to defend the deal. And we'll

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 8>test you. We'll he check each other and grill each other, like, yo,

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 8>I don't know if this deal is gonna make it.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 8>Like like I try to get a media deal through

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 8>and I couldn't get it through. It got shut down

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 8>because my partners were like yo, you know, the media

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 8>climate is really hairy right now. You know Vice and

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 8>BuzzFeed and Refinery twenty nine. You know they're not doing

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 8>too well and they're the big dogs, so how the

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 8>small dogs and you just it's a mental game.

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 7>And if you can get people excited, then.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 8>We close the deal and we say, all right, bet

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 8>we're gonna invest X amount and then we just wire

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 8>them the money and then we put the prayers up there.

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<v Speaker 6>You have it, ladies and gentlemen, one O one, one

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<v Speaker 6>O three, one o four on one oh five. That

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<v Speaker 6>was it, right, Venture capital and Angel Investments.

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<v Speaker 2>My graduates from my school being forced bad drops drop,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike drop.

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