1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hello, It's Richard mclin smith here. I just want to 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: say a huge thank you to everyone that took part 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: in our survey. It's been an immense help. The survey 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: is now closed and I'll be contacting the ten winners 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: of a signed copy of The Unexplained Book in due courts. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Keep a near out for some big announcements coming in 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the next few months as I look to launch my 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: new Unexplained newsletter as well as a whole new companion 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: show where I'll be discussing all things strange with some 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: of the leading thinkers interrogating our world and reality today, 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: and I'll also be participating in a number of live 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: events throughout the year. 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In his seminal survey of horror culture 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Dance maccarbough, Stephen King recounts a trip to see Stuart 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Rosenberg's Amateurville Horror on its release in nineteen seventy nine. 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: While sitting in the Darkened Movie Theater watching James Brolin 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: and Margo Kidder recreate the supposed haunting of the Lutz family, 38 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: King heard a voice from the row behind a woman's 39 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: voice repeating the same phrase in low, urgent tones. Think 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: of the bills, she said, over and over, with mounting anxiety. 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: Just think of the bills. The Amateurville horror king theorizes 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: may masquerade as a ghost story, but is in truth 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: a nightmare of economic insecurity and domestic stress. Here is 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: a movie, he writes, for every woman who ever wept 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: over a plugged up toilet or a spreading water stain 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: on the ceiling, for every man whoever did a slow 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: burn when the weight of the snow caused its gutters 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: to give way. Beneath its ghost story exterior, the horror 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: maestro concludes what happens to the Lutz family is really 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: a financial demolition derby spirits, in this interpretation, are just 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: one more potential pitfall of home ownership, an esoteric version 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: of dry rot or toxic mold, a problem to be 53 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: either fixed or endured. Such prosaic worries seem at odds 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: with our usual assumptions and conception of the supernatural. We 55 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: tend to think of hauntings as binary confrontations between the 56 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: human and something other, a battle for ownership of our 57 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: homes and our souls. We win and stay, or we 58 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: lose and leave, whether or not we can afford the 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: cost of the haunting or the leaving never really comes 60 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: to mind. The Lutzes are said to have fled their 61 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Amateurville home in terror after just twenty eight nights. If 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: their story is to be believed, the dark force that 63 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: lurked in one hundred and twelve Ocean Drive had a 64 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: greater claim on the property than they could ever match. 65 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: They concluded it was not a fight worth continuing, regardless 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: of how much money the Lutzes had tied up in 67 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the place. But what about those who simply can't afford 68 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: to cut and run? What if you invested so much 69 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: in your new home that you were forced to stay 70 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: even once you realized that you are not the only inhabitants. 71 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: And what if those other most unwelcome housemates proved to 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: be more frightening than anything you could possibly imagine. You're 73 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: listening to Unexplained and I'm Richard McLean Smith. Jack and 74 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Janet Smile moved into their new home at three hundred 75 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: and twenty eight Chase Street with their two young daughters 76 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: on the first of October nineteen seventy three. The property 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: was part of a duplex alongside Number three hundred thirty 78 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: owned by Jack's parents, John and Mary Smile, in the 79 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: small coal belt town of West Pittston, Pennsylvania. John and 80 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: Mary themselves had moved into their half of the property 81 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: just a few weeks earlier, after flooding had forced them 82 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: from their previous home. The two property building, dating back 83 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: to eighteen ninety six, was a modest, unobtrusive thing, sitting 84 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: on a narrow thoroughway more alley than street. Each apartment 85 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: had the same floorplan, a living room and large kitchen 86 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: on the ground floor, and three bedrooms and a bathroom 87 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: on the first all sandwiched between an attic and a 88 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: concrete lined basement. It was a duer upper for sure, 89 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: but it was the perfect starter home for a young, 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: middle class American family, a safe haven in the economic 91 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: turmoil of the nineteen seventies. The address already had a 92 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: reputation though whispers of strange noises heard in the early 93 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: hours and figures seen through half parted curtains. Long before 94 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: the Smiles took up residents, it had already become the 95 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: neighborhood house that kids dared each other to approach in 96 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: the dark. But if any of these murmured rumors reached 97 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: the smell's ears. Neither generation were dissuaded from moving in. Instead, 98 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: the family approached their new home as they did most 99 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: things in life, with optimism. Janet and Jack had married 100 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, when Janet was twenty two and 101 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: Jack was twenty eight. They were a perfect match, sensible, stoic, 102 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: hard working, and devout. Janet described their shared philosophy. We 103 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: didn't go along with the people our age who were 104 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: into drugs and protesting. We wanted a family, and we 105 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: both wanted to make sure that our family would be 106 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: raised properly. The following year, in nineteen sixty nine, they 107 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: celebrated the birth of their first daughter, Dawn, and three 108 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: years later, her sister, Heather, was born. When they met, 109 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: Janet and Jack worked at the same local confectionery company, 110 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: but Janet resigned her position to focus on raising Dawn 111 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: and Heather, while Jack progressed further up the ladder. However, 112 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: he hadn't always worked in the confectionery business. After graduating 113 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: high school in nineteen fifty nine, Jack enlisted in the Navy, 114 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: where he worked as a neuropsychiatric technician, assisting military doctors 115 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: in electro shock therapy. Though The practice is controversial today 116 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: and presented as brutal torture in many a horror movie. 117 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: At the time, it was seen as a miracle intervention 118 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: for depression, suicidal thoughts, and the emerging concept of trauma. 119 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: It was a well paid job that Jack took pride 120 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: and interest in, and by confronting different psychiatric conditions, he 121 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: became aware of the potential frailty of perception and how 122 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: easily the stressed, distorted mind could begin to question what 123 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: is real. This knowledge would later cloud Jack's own certainty 124 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: when he himself was faced with reality bending occurrences, but 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: all that would come later. For the first few months 126 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: of their life on Chay Street, the smells were a 127 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: portrait of domestic bliss. Janet was heavily involved in community organization. 128 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: She helped to form a local Lioness's Club and served 129 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: as its first president. She led a campaign against drink driving, 130 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: and both she and Jack worked together to support various 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: youth programs and junior sports teams. Dawn and Heather were healthy, 132 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: happy children who loved their parents and grandparents deeply and 133 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: were well nurtured. In return. Each evening, Jack would return 134 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: from work kiss his wife on the porch, then sweep 135 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: his daughters into a giggling embrace. By all accounts, the 136 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: Smiles were very happily living their little slice of the 137 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: mid century American dream, but all that was about to change. 138 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: Sometime at the beginning of nineteen seventy four, Jack's mother, Mary, 139 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: bought a brand new rug for their apartment. When she 140 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: laid it down in the quiet of her home, she 141 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: noticed a large, greasy mark on the fabric. With some irritation, 142 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: she set to work cleaning it up, and before long, 143 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: thanks to a few products and brushes, she succeeded in 144 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: getting rid of the mark. But two days later Mary 145 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: and John came down to breakfast to find that the 146 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: mark was back. Once more. Mary cleaned the rug, and 147 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: once again the mark returned. After weeks watching his wife 148 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: battle the strange, recurrent stain, John finally rolled up the 149 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: rug and took it to the local dump. Some time later, 150 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: next door, Jack's Smile was up late watching a Western. 151 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: He sat alone in the dark as the images flickered 152 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: out from the screen while everyone else slept soundly in 153 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: their beds. Eventually, Jack's eyes began to droop when suddenly 154 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: the television exploded into flame. The blaze became so intense, 155 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: so fast that in the seconds it took for Jack 156 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: to switch off the set, the plastic molding had melted 157 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: like butter. Not long after that, the smells new Electrick 158 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: stove inexplicably caught fire. So too did the wiring in 159 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Jack's car, only days after he brought it home from 160 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: the showroom. Perhaps there was something defective in the way 161 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: the house had been wired, wandered Jack and his father, 162 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: and the car was just an unfortunate coincidence. They knew 163 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: that the building needed some renovation, not least of all 164 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: with the plumbing, and so over the next few weeks, 165 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: Jack and his father threw themselves into gaining mastery over 166 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: their new home. John Smill was an experienced welder, and 167 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: he set about soldering the pipes with gusto. Working methodically 168 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: with Jack, going through the property piece by piece, he 169 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: fixed more than thirty joints of piping. Satisfied with the work, 170 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: he yelled for Jack to switch the water back on. Together, 171 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: they watched with alarm as the whole building began to flood. 172 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Each and every joint had failed. Grumbling, but undeterred, they 173 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: switched off the water and John resoldered everything once again. 174 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: They stood back and waited as the water was turned on. 175 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: For a moment, everything seemed fine. Then one pipe spewed 176 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: out a jet of water, followed by another, and then another. 177 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: In the end, according to Jack, his father reworked some 178 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: of the pipes five times before they finally held water. 179 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: In the meantime, Jack turned his focus to his and 180 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Janet's bathroom. He spent days fastidiously installing their new bath 181 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: and sink, which had cost them a considerable amount of money, 182 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: and when the job was finally finished, the pair agreed 183 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: that they were the per choice. Finally, bit by bit, 184 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: they were making their home their own. The next day, 185 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: Janet woke up and wandered sleepily into the bathroom, glad 186 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: to finally have it back in use. Then she froze. 187 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: The porcelain sink was covered with scratches so deep as 188 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: to be unrepairable. Entire chunks of it had been gouged 189 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: out and lay in white crumbs on the linoleum floor. 190 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: She called out to Jack, who was equally baffled to 191 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: find the room in such a state. But while Jack 192 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: picked at the crumbled porcelain, racking his brains to try 193 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: and understand what an earth had happened. A sudden sense 194 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: of dread came over Janet. It was those deep scratches 195 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: on the sink that she couldn't take her eyes off. 196 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: To her mind, at least, they looked like the furious 197 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: wipe marks of a claw. From that point on, a 198 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: sense of eeriness pervaded the home. A few days later, 199 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: Jack began painting the apartment skirting boards and Wayne scotting. 200 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Hours after he'd finished, he went back to inspect his work. 201 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: That's weird, he thought, as he approached one section of paneling. 202 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: When he left it, the finish had been smooth, but 203 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: now it appeared to be covered in streak marks. Drawing closer, 204 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: he realized they weren't streaks at all, but gouges in 205 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: the paint, again, like scratch marks. A little confused, Jack 206 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: simply painted over them and tried to forget about it, 207 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: but it was hard to resist the growing sense of 208 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: disquiet spreading through their home, and before long the children 209 00:14:50,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: were feeling it too. Deep. In the early hours of night, 210 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: all was quiet in the smell household. Janet and Jack 211 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: lay peacefully in their beds, their tired unconscious minds drifting 212 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into sleep, when suddenly a scream rang out, 213 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: wrenching them both back into the world with a shocking jolt. 214 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: It was their six year old daughter, Dawn, crying out 215 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: for help. Moments later, she burst into their bedroom, crying, 216 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: what is it? What's wrong? Janet asked, People are flying 217 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: around my room, she said, through short, urgent gasps. Janet 218 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: looked to Jack, who was already up, worried they might 219 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: have an intruder. Telling his wife and daughter to stay put, 220 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: he slowly inched out into the hallway, listening intently for 221 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: any sounds of movement, but there was only silence as 222 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: he neared his daughter's bedroom, and when he stepped inside it, 223 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: there was nobody there. Then a few nights later, it 224 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: happened again. This time Dawn rushed into her parents bedroom, 225 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: claiming that people were taunting her in the darkness beyond 226 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: her bed. Each time, when Jack went to investigate, he 227 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: found nothing untoward. Clearly, Dawn was just experiencing a run 228 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: of bad nightmares, he thought, But Janet wasn't so sure. 229 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Though Dawn was only six, she was already a sensible girl, 230 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: happy but serious minded and not given to flights of 231 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: childhood whimsy, and she well knew the difference between fantasy 232 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: and reality, and the strangeness didn't end there. Over time, 233 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: more oddities creeped into their daily lives. Sometimes in the evening, 234 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Jack fancied he heard the sound of heavy footsteps moving 235 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: about on the floor above when there was no one 236 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: else in the house. Then a blared out one day 237 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: without warning. When Jack rushed over to turn it off, 238 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: he was shocked to find that it wasn't even plugged. In. 239 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: Grasping its straws the smells, wondered if subsidence might somehow 240 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: be to blame. This was Pennsylvania, and the ground beneath 241 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: many homes were a Swiss cheese of old mine shafts 242 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and unmapped excavations. However, surveyors they drafted in to investigate 243 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: found nothing wrong. It was early one morning. Soon after that, 244 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: Janet and Jack were woken again in the night, but 245 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: this time by a strange creaking sound. When it wouldn't stop, 246 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: The couple drowsily got up to investigate and followed the 247 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: sound to their back garden, where there in the still 248 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: morning air, the chairs on their patio were gently rocking 249 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: back and forth, Jack reached out and stilled them, and 250 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: the creaking stopped. Another night, Jack was lying awake on 251 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: his side, unable to sleep, when he felt a hand 252 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: to caress his bare shoulder. He turned over, surprised to 253 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: find Janet was turned away from him, fast asleep. Some 254 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: time later, the older Mary and John Smiles were enjoying 255 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: a quiet moment together when they heard a violent barrage 256 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: of foul language coming from the other apartment. Concerned that 257 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: their son Jack was being abusive to his wife and kids, 258 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: they confronted him about it, but both he and Janet 259 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: claimed sincerely that they had no idea what they were 260 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: talking about. Quietly, Janet and Jack began to wonder if 261 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: they weren't entirely alone in their new home, though it 262 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: seemed ludicrous to admit it. As people of faith who 263 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: believed in souls and the afterlife, the concept in itself 264 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: wasn't utterly out of the question, but since whatever it 265 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: was didn't seem malicious, over time, they made peace with 266 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: the possibility, and so things continued on and off for 267 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: the next few years. In early nineteen seventy seven, Janet 268 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: and Jack were delighted to discover that Janet was pregnant again. 269 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: In September, she gave birth to a pair of twin girls, 270 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Shannon and Karen. For the next six years, the family 271 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: lived fairly event free in their home, which by then 272 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: they couldn't imagine swapping for anywhere else. After all, all 273 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: four of their children had grown up there. But that's 274 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: the thing with life. You never know what it's going 275 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: to throw at you next. Sometime toward the end of 276 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, Janet made one of her routine trips 277 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: to the washer machine. Whenever she was alone in the house, 278 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: she liked to switch on the TV for company and 279 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: leave it playing wherever she was, and so it was 280 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: that day. As she made her way down the steps 281 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: to the basement, the sound of canned laughter echoed out 282 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: from the living room behind her. Moving to the machine 283 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: at the back of the room, she pulled up its 284 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: door and tipped all the washing inside, with all of 285 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: it deposited. She threw in some powder and switched it on, 286 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: and that was when she heard someone calling out her name. 287 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Janet spun round and nervously eyed the space behind her 288 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: as the chatter from the TV continued to float down 289 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: from above and the machine word rhythmclee. Had she misheard something, 290 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: she wondered. She scanned the room again, but saw little 291 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: beside the odd bag of clothes and box of Christmas decorations. 292 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: Then the voice came again, this time from the other direction, 293 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: in the space between her and the back wall Janet. 294 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: It was a feminine voice, quiet but confident, and clear 295 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: as day. The hairs on Janet's neck began to stand up. 296 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: For a moment, she stood perfectly still as her mind raised. 297 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: Then she did the only thing she could think to do. 298 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: What do you want? She asked? A short, sharp laugh 299 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: rang out in response. With that, Janet hurriedly backed away 300 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: from the wall and walked backwards up the stairs, keeping 301 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: her eyes fixed on the empty basement as she went. 302 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: As soon as she was back in the kitchen, she 303 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: ran to her bedroom and dug out her rosary beats. 304 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: She assumed at first it was the present finally making 305 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: itself known. But then another equally terrifying thought occurred to her. 306 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: What if some one had got into the house and 307 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: was playing a trick on her? Bravely she made her 308 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: way from room to room, checking closets and underneath beds, 309 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: but no one was there, which, to Janet left only 310 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: the one explanation. She returned to the kitchen and stared 311 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: at the open basement door at the far side of it. 312 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: She raised across the room and slammed it shut, then 313 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: sank to her knees and prayed. And there she stayed 314 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: for the rest of the afternoon, praying to God for 315 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: the strength to finally confront what she had believed for 316 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: some time now, but there was something malignant in their home. 317 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Later that night, after the girls had gone to bed, 318 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Janet revealed all to Jack about the voices and her 319 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: growing conviction that there was something very wrong with their house. 320 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: Jack listened without dismissal, though he didn't quite know what 321 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: to say. At the very least he could see how 322 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: upset Janet was. He asked her how often strange things 323 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: had been occurring? Nearly every day, she replied. Jack reached 324 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: out across the kitchen table and took hold of her hand. 325 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: Nothing's going to run us out of here, he said, 326 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: and promised that they'd find a solution over the next 327 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: few days. Still rattled by her basement encounter, Janet threw 328 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: herself into the housework to keep her mind from wandering. 329 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: A blast of winter weather had swept over the area, 330 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: blanketing much of the region in heavy snow. One morning, 331 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: with her daughters packed off the school and Jack out 332 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: at work, Janet was tackling the ironing as the TV 333 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: kept her company as usual. Just then she felt a 334 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: sudden gust of chilled air. She looked up, expecting to 335 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: see a window blown open, snow spiraling in. What she 336 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: apparently saw instead was a dark, amorphous figure standing in 337 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: the corner of the room. As Janet later described it, 338 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: it looked almost humanoid in shape, though nebulous and shifting 339 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: as if it were made of rolling smoke. The ominous 340 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: figure had no features at all, only a dark smear 341 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: where a face should be, and from its back something 342 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: seemed to be fluttering like a cape. It stood as 343 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: high as a nearby radiator that measured almost six feet. 344 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: Janet would later tell investigators how she'd stayed surprisingly calm. 345 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: At first, she couldn't quite get a handle on what 346 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: it was she was looking at exactly. Then it started 347 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: gliding toward her. Janet stood rooted to the spot. As 348 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: it passed close to her, she detected a strange odour, 349 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: more odd than unpleasant and felt a deep chill. Suddenly, 350 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: without warning, it accelerated to a hurtling rush and disappeared 351 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: into the kitchen. Janet, still seemingly unable to move, followed 352 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: it with her eyes until it went out of view. 353 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: She later suggested that the whole experience had left her 354 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: in a profound state of shock. Only after some minutes 355 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: had passed did she regain control over her own body. 356 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: She looked down to see the iron was still clenched 357 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: tightly in her fist, Quickly returning it to its cradle, 358 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: she stumbled after the apparent entity and into the kitchen, 359 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: but it was now nowhere to be seen. Janet is 360 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: said to have rushed next door in terror, not quite 361 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: sure what she was going to say to her parents 362 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: in law, But when Mary answered the door, she too 363 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: appeared shaken. After inviting Janet in sight, she immediately slumped 364 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: into a chair and began shaking. As she explained then 365 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: to Janet, only minutes before, she'd been sitting in that 366 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: exact spot, completing her daily prayer when she felt a 367 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: change of pressure in the room. Looking up, she saw 368 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: a black, smokelike vigure sliding through the wall. It paused 369 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: for a moment, she said, as if noticing her presence, 370 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: before gliding past her chair and disappearing out of sight. 371 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: Over the next few months, things were relatively calm in 372 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the respective Smell households, so much so that Janet and 373 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Jack began to wander aloud. If their time of weirdness 374 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: had now passed. Perhaps the ghosts were just using their 375 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: house as a motel before passing on, joked Jack. In 376 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: the spring of nineteen eighty four, Janet and her by 377 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: then eleven year old daughter Heather were sitting at the 378 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: kitchen table putting finishing touches to the white dress that 379 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Heather was due to wear for her confirmation that evening. Meanwhile, 380 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: six year old Shannon was busy ransacking the fridge when 381 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: a strange, grating noise was heard coming from above them. 382 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: They barely had time to look up before the entire 383 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: light fixture suddenly tore itself free from the ceiling. Janet 384 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: had just enough time to pull Heather out of the way, 385 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: but could only watch in horror as the fitting fell 386 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: down with a shocking crash into the middle of the room, 387 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: striking Shannon on the shoulder and knocking her violently to 388 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the ground. Jack heard the screams from upstairs and rushed 389 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: down to find Janet and their daughters in floods of tears, 390 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: still shaking. Jack would later say that that was when 391 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: he began to suspect that something truly sinister had taken 392 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: hold in their home. But in an interview with Robert 393 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: current author of The Haunted, the Fullest account of the 394 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Smells Torment, Jack explained that true acceptance was hard. The 395 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: first thing that the average person does, he said, is 396 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: reject the idea that he's dealing with the supernatural. All 397 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: these really incredible things happen, but your mind keeps looking 398 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: for some normal explanation. He remembered his experiences working in 399 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: psychiatric treatment, all the times he had seen firsthand how 400 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the stressed mind could discern patterns and meaning in random events. 401 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: But as spring rolled into summer, whatever doubts the Smells 402 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: still clung to were soon torn away for good. On 403 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a humid night in early June, claimed that Janet was 404 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: dozing on the edge of sleep when something took hold 405 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: of her leg. She'd only a second to gather her 406 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: senses before she was roughly yanked from the bed. Jack 407 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: startled awake, by his wife's screams, was horrified to find 408 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: her being seemingly dragged across their bedroom floor, one leg 409 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: up in the air, as if it were in the 410 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: grip of an invisible attacker. As Janet apparently fought to 411 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: escape her phantom assailant, Jack leaped forward and tried to 412 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: grasp her outstretched hand. What followed, according to Jack, was 413 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: a tug of war over Janet's body, one he was 414 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: slowly losing. As he gathered his strength for a final pall, 415 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: he suddenly felt himself go limp and all the strength 416 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: ran out of his body. From that point on, he 417 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: could only sit immobilized on the bed, unable to even speak, 418 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: as Janet struggled against her attacker, clinging to the bed 419 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: sheets in desperation. When suddenly, according to Janet, the pressure 420 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: around her leg released and Jack's paralysis broke. Just then, 421 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: a series of violent loud bangs reverberated in the walls 422 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: all around them. Then a thund came from outside the room, 423 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: followed by the screams of one of their daughters sprinting 424 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: out on to the landing. The couple looked over the 425 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: banister to see the now seven year old Shannon crammed 426 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 1: awkwardly into the corner at the bottom of the stairs. 427 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: What happened, they asked, rushing to her aid I don't know, 428 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: she replied, before collapsing into tears. Janet and Jack looked 429 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: to each other in horror. There was no doubting it now. 430 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: There was something in their home that wanted to hurt them, 431 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: something that wanted to hurt their children. It was time 432 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: to find help. You've been listening to part one of 433 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Unexplained Season nine, Episode nine, The Uninvited. The second and 434 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: final part will be released next Friday, January twenty third. 435 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: This episode was written by Neil McRobert and produced by 436 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: me Richard mclin Smith. Neil is the creator and host 437 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: of his own brilliant podcast called Talking Scared, in which 438 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: he discusses the craft of horror, writing with everyone from 439 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: Ta Nanaeve Do to the god of horror himself, Stephen King. 440 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: I can't recommend it highly enough. 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