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Speaker 1: What's up everyone?

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another episode of Overtime here on the Colts

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Speaker 2: Audio Network and on the Colts YouTube page. I'm JJ Stankowitz.

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Speaker 2: The news today, Dwight Freeney is in the Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. He is a member of the Modern

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Speaker 2: Era Class of twenty twenty four. And who better to

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Speaker 2: talk about number ninety three than number ninety eight. Robert

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Speaker 2: mathis his partner on Bring the Heat Boulevard joins me

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Speaker 2: now here on Overtime. Rob thanks so much for joining me,

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Speaker 2: and I guess just first of all, what's your reaction

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Speaker 2: to seeing your teammate Dwight Freenie get in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Uh. I'm very much not surprised, because the man has

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Speaker 3: earned it. I knew it was a matter of time,

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Speaker 3: but I'm just still excited and elated that he got

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Speaker 3: in along with his draft buddy Julius Peppers. So it

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Speaker 3: was just an amazing just being his teammate and just

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Speaker 3: seeing what he did over the course of his career

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Speaker 3: and just being able to witness.

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Speaker 1: That you are witness to.

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Speaker 2: You know, so many of those sacks that Dwight had,

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Speaker 2: some of those huge plays that he had, but you

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Speaker 2: also knew him better than probably anyone else behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Like when you define Dwight's career, how do you define

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Speaker 2: the player and the person and the teammate that he was.

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Speaker 3: Dwhite was very disciplined. He was very disciplined. He taught

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Speaker 3: me just about it, just walked by his footsteps, his footwork,

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Speaker 3: just watching him. How he went about being a professional,

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Speaker 3: uh on and off the field, in the classroom, the

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Speaker 3: way he went about his diet and exercise, and he

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Speaker 3: was very innovative and in his workouts, and he brought

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Speaker 3: a lot to the table in that regards. And so

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Speaker 3: trust me, I study people a lot. I don't talk

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Speaker 3: a whole lot, but I really really really study people.

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Speaker 3: And I had the chance to study him his game,

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Speaker 3: how he went about it, how he studied, and the

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Speaker 3: way he attacked oline and the way he got quarterbacks down.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: That him being innovative with his workouts, maybe with his diet,

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Speaker 2: what did you learn from him? And just how maybe

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Speaker 3: He was literally the first person I ever seen with

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Speaker 3: fire the muscles and everything around it, so it promotes

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Speaker 3: faster healing. And now everybody has one, all the training

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Speaker 3: staffs have on. He used it. He used that to

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl that we played in versus the Saints. Uh,

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Speaker 3: he was just he he stuck. He stuck to the script.

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Speaker 3: Whatever script he had, he stuck to it. So as

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Speaker 3: far as his diet, he was also the first guy

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Speaker 3: So it worked. It worked, and so a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: you know, you start to ask questions. Okay, you see

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Speaker 3: this man, he's doing this this diet, this exercise regiment,

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Speaker 2: I think that's so that's so interesting because we see

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Speaker 2: we see the big plays that Dwight made, But those

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Speaker 2: little tiny things that he did to give him an edge,

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Speaker 2: You just like do those things that separate them from

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Speaker 3: Like that, just by leading, leading by example. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: like just Peyton Edge. Well, Reggie, these are guys. They're

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the two thousand and nine AFC Championship, and

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Speaker 2: I want to go go to that where he has

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Speaker 3: Man, my respect went through the roof during those two

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Speaker 3: It was no reason for him to be playing in

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Speaker 3: I was I just told him, Man, I was very

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Speaker 3: And like I said, he's cut from that cloth that

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Speaker 1: Not Where did his drive come from?

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Speaker 2: Where did his drive to fight through that injury? Where

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Speaker 1: Where did you understand that to come from?

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's the ultimate competitor. Him and Michael Jordan are

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Speaker 2: How did you guys bond like when you first got

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Speaker 3: Uh? It was they brought me in to compliment him,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know much about Dwight. It was just like,

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Speaker 3: we both had a drive to get to the quarterback,

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Speaker 2: That second game of your career, you had two sacks

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Speaker 3: Well, I knew that during practice we would come and

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Speaker 1: How did you develop that chemistry with Dwhite?

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Speaker 2: I think that's something a lot of people don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: Well, just a passion for wanting to hit quarterbacks because

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Speaker 2: I saw this quote from Jason Peters, who obviously played

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Speaker 2: because every single pass rush move looked the same.

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Speaker 1: You think about that.

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Speaker 2: That is a skill that Dwight had and I know,

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Speaker 2: you know, John Teerlink probably had, you know, quite a

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Speaker 1: But the ability to not.

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Speaker 2: Tip your hand with your pass rush, so you can

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Speaker 1: How special was that in Dwight?

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Speaker 3: You just said it. It got him in the Hall

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Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for. He never tipped his hand.

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Speaker 3: He was very good at playing. He's very good at

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Speaker 3: But also pass rushers and wilde receivers are synonymous because

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Speaker 3: he's gonna bull rush into the quarterback. So it's exactly

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna say great, but elite.

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Speaker 2: What's d White's card game that you lost him the

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Speaker 2: Because he couldn't tell what he had in his hand, right.

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Speaker 3: At that time. I think he finally figured it out. No,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the mark of an elite a great elite player.

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Speaker 3: And in regards to myself, it's your time is your time.

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Speaker 2: You got another teammate, former teammate who's going to be

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Speaker 3: If Vinnie is not first ballot, you just throw it

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say, speaking for myself, I think the

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Speaker 2: So that coming from a kicker. Usually kickers are what

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Speaker 2: But now you're kind of plying your trade teaching youth

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Speaker 1: You're you're in what year three doing Gridiron Gang.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the original grid Iron Gang, we've been at this

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Speaker 2: I think it's great work that you know, you and

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Speaker 2: and hopefully, you know, someday we'll see number ninety eight

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Speaker 2: joining number ninety three up in Canton. Robert Mathis, thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us here on this episode of Overtime here

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Speaker 2: on the Colts Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: So long