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Speaker 2: And we are back with our number two of the

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Speaker 2: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, and Matt, let's

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Speaker 2: go through. Bucky Brooks released his first mock draft on

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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com. And let's see where Bucky is feeling

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Speaker 2: how this draft will go.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 2: here at the Senior Bowl at the Hancock Whitney Stadium

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Speaker 2: in Mobile, Alabama. Matt back in Pittsburgh, and Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 2: has Shador Sanders going number one overall to the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 4: That seems like a reach to me. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: just don't see a super high ceiling with this guy.

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Speaker 4: And to take him over ward, I'd have some I

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Speaker 4: have a hard time with that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would too.

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Speaker 2: He's not not necessarily for me there. And two, he

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Speaker 2: has the Cleveland Browns passing on the quarterback to take

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Speaker 2: Abduall Carter.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good prospect. I mean I understand it.

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Speaker 4: It would be a tremendous strength to match him with

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Speaker 4: Garrett or what if Garrett wants out.

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Speaker 2: They said, they said earlier yet earlier this week here

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Speaker 2: their GM spoke and he said that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they're going to work on a contract extension

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Speaker 2: with Mincart. But the pair, he wants to know where

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Speaker 2: this is going, you know it, Where's I feel like

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Speaker 2: we've been dating and we're you know, you're gonna put

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Speaker 2: the ring on my finger or what?

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Speaker 5: At some point, I'm not in this for a rebuild,

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Speaker 2: So you know, if they pass on a quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the first round, does that, you know, mean that they

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Speaker 2: go for a Jackson Dart at the top of the

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Speaker 2: second round something like.

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Speaker 4: That maybe, or maybe they have Kirk Cousins and at

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Speaker 5: And that's not a long term answer though, No, And

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Speaker 5: I was about to say, I mean, I would hope

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Speaker 4: Were fine, you know, I would think that's not the

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Speaker 5: Then at three, take cam Ward.

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Speaker 4: I would think you'd be pretty happy with that.

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Speaker 5: Then take Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 4: think we do that. Yeah, I would think they'd play

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Speaker 4: him more on offense than defense.

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Speaker 2: So Jacksonville at five then takes Mason Graham, the defensive

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of these guys, yeah, those.

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Speaker 5: Are getting to be the consensus top five picks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, I don't. I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 4: people mocking Graham to five.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you know, yeah it's six.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders take Tetoro McMillan, the wide receiver out of Arizona.

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Speaker 4: If Sam Darnold lands there, that would make a ton

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Speaker 4: of sense too. And it's not like there's a quarterback

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Speaker 5: Right right.

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Speaker 2: At seven, the Jets take Will Campbell, the offensive tackle

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Speaker 4: Tyson Smith is up, Morgan Moses is old, and they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just put him in the mix somewhere.

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Speaker 5: The Panthers at eight take Mikeel Williams, the Georgia edge rusher.

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Speaker 4: defense has to be a priority. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At nine, the Saints take Jaylen Walker, the edge rusher

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Speaker 2: At ten, the Bears take armand Membo, who had to

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Speaker 4: At ten, we see a lot of these tackle guard

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Speaker 2: At twelve, the Cowboys take Ashton Genty, the running back

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Speaker 4: I get it. I mean, really good football player.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he certainly is. At fourteen, the Colts take Tyler Warren,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. At fifteen, the Falcons take Shamar Stewart to the

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Speaker 2: Sixteen, the Cardinals take James Pierce Junior, the Tennessee edge rusher.

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Speaker 5: Seventeen, the Bengals take Colston Loveland, the Michigan tight end.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Eighteen, the Seahawks take Calvin Banks Junior, the Texas

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Speaker 4: Adds up. I mean, especially if you're gonna plug him

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of offensive linemen thus far early in

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Speaker 2: At nineteen, the Buccaneers take a Mecca Eggbuca out of

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Speaker 4: If Godwin leaves, I would think that would make a

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Speaker 2: At twenty, the Broncos take Malachi Starks, a Georgia safety.

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Speaker 4: I got to study him more, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: underwhelming final season at Missouri. I haven't watched enough of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's more slottish to me in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty well built though.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, no, I hear you on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've seen one defensive tackle taken to this point.

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Speaker 2: Like, is that really how Bucky thinks this is going

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Speaker 4: It's just a lot of old linemen have gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you all, A bunch of old linemen have gone

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Speaker 2: no defensive lineman, and at twenty two the Chargers keep

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've that's not a bad pairing to

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Speaker 2: At twenty three, the Packers take Ja de Barron, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would almost rather have him than than take

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Speaker 4: I can see that approach, no doubt. But the Steelers you're.

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Speaker 5: Talking about, yeah, right. At twenty four, the Vikings take

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Speaker 4: He's just kind of an out of sight, out of

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Speaker 2: At twenty five, we finally get our second defensive tackle

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Bout an hour ago we had a conversation about,

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Speaker 4: And he's worth it? I mean like if there's no

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Can grow yeah, right, right right, and guys like him

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Speaker 4: don't grow on trees. I'm doing interesting. I would not

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: At twenty six, the Rams take Josh Simmons, the offensive

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackson the left up and they put a lot

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Speaker 4: Then find a spot for him. They just move him

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Speaker 2: What we were talking about, you're not going to get

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Speaker 4: It was never like that.

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Speaker 5: My whole life, you know, no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Let him hang out with camp for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, But let's get to a break.

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Speaker 5: Matt. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here at the Senior Bowl Cock

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Speaker 5: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

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Speaker 5: There you are, so there I am. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you're live, live on tape and won't be right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's an athletic guy, five eleven and three eight, two

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Speaker 2: hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 5: He's well built though, so he's built like a running back.

447
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Speaker 5: He is, and you have some physicality to him.

448
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Speaker 4: Actually see him fault, you know, ended up in the

449
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Speaker 4: second round, that's all said and done. I think he'll

450
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Speaker 4: run well in in Indy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a pretty good player. Yeah, yeah, I

453
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Speaker 4: do too.

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Speaker 2: You know, watching a guy like Jaden Higgins just stands

455
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Speaker 2: out from his his size almost six four, two hundred

456
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Speaker 2: and seventeen pounds.

457
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Speaker 5: Just a big, big dude. That's really I mean, there's

458
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Speaker 5: some bigger corners here, Matt. Yeah, he's tough to cover

459
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Speaker 5: with that size he is.

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Speaker 4: I think he's also a Day two player. He's pretty

461
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Speaker 4: fluid for a bigger guy. He's not a clunky mover

462
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Speaker 4: at all. He's good at the catch point, has physicality,

463
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Speaker 4: like how he comes out of his breaks. I think

464
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Speaker 4: he's got a chance to be a nice contributor to

465
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Speaker 4: a couple of receivers. I like there.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some other guys Xavier or Steppo has has stood out.

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Speaker 5: He's a good he's a good football player as well.

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Speaker 2: Again, it was tough to look at some of these

469
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Speaker 2: receivers if Moore had to watch kind of the one

470
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Speaker 2: on one stuff and just to see how they move

471
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Speaker 2: and how, you know, did he get open? Sometimes the

472
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks have had trouble connecting with some of those guys,

473
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Speaker 2: as you would expect. I mean, they just haven't worked

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Speaker 2: with him all that much. And and you know that,

475
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Speaker 2: like today, it's windy down here, so you're getting a

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Speaker 2: little more mother nature stepping in and having some control

477
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Speaker 2: over the practice. But yeah, I mean he's he's kind

478
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Speaker 2: of lightning in a bottle. Another guy that looked yesterday

479
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Speaker 2: was Kyle Williams out of Washington.

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Speaker 4: That's the name I wanted to bring up. Okay, I

481
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Speaker 4: think he's I think he's a starting NFL receiver. I

482
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Speaker 4: think he's a good player. He's also I think a

483
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Speaker 4: day two player, moves well. Doesn't have extreme size or

484
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Speaker 4: the longest arms or the biggest hands or any of

485
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Speaker 4: those things, but he gets open and kind of a

486
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Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson fashioned.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say I hate to say that, you know,

488
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Speaker 2: say Antonio Brown or Deontay Johnson, but kind of who

489
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Speaker 2: he reminds me of in terms of his route running ability.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it beats man coverage. He's hard to cover.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five ten and a quarter one hundred and eighty

493
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Speaker 2: two pounds, so I mean size wise, he's very much

494
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Speaker 2: in the same range as those two guys. But he

495
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Speaker 2: does have you know, just that that beep beep, like

496
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my foot in the ground and you're

497
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Speaker 2: gonna go that way and I'm gonna go this way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he sets up defenders well too. He's a

499
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Speaker 4: good route runner. The other one along those vein he

500
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Speaker 4: might be too small for the Steelers, but he's well built.

501
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Speaker 4: Is the Iowa State kid Jalen Noel. Yeah, I didn't

502
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Speaker 4: know much about him before this, but he's explosive too.

503
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Speaker 4: I mean he's under five to ten, he's got small hands,

504
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Speaker 4: but he's almost two hundred pounds and he's explosive and

505
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Speaker 4: a sharp route runner. And this is a good environment

506
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Speaker 4: for those guys too, because they don't get banged around,

507
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Speaker 4: they don't have to break tackles.

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Speaker 5: You know right right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting group for sure, and you know,

510
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Speaker 2: I kind of like these guys better than I like

511
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Speaker 2: the guys at the top.

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Speaker 5: Of the draft.

513
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the receiver class in general is a little underwhelming.

514
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what we've seen in recent

515
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Speaker 4: years exactly from what we're used to. I mean, that

516
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Speaker 4: doesn't mean there won't be ten starters out of the group,

517
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Speaker 4: or guys that could help or be nice compliments to

518
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Speaker 4: pickens or dudes we like. There's definitely those guys, but

519
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Speaker 4: it's nothing like last year. You know, like, yeah, oh,

520
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: pick up my conky in the early second round. Yeah,

521
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Speaker 4: that's not the way that works, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know people have kind of written

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Speaker 2: off Roman Wilson to a degree because you just didn't

524
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Speaker 2: you didn't see him last year. But let's not forget

525
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Speaker 2: a year ago at this one year ago. Here, one

526
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Speaker 2: year ago, here he was tearing up the senior ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, him and Quinn On Mitchell were going head to head,

528
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Speaker 4: toe to toe, and you know there's an even battle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I mean Mike Tomlin singled him

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Speaker 2: out and wanted him to work against Mitchell.

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, there were some other good receivers

533
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Speaker 2: on that on that same on that same team, including

534
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Speaker 2: the kid that the you know, the forty nine Ers

535
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Speaker 2: took in the first.

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Speaker 4: Round, Ricky Piersaw. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

537
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Speaker 2: I mean he was on that roster. And Tomlin didn't say, Hey, Piersall,

538
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Speaker 2: I want you to go against QUINNYA.

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Speaker 5: Mitchell. No, he said, Wilson, I want you to go

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Speaker 5: against Mitchell.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Uh. It's the bigger store. But I just

542
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Speaker 4: don't know. I don't have a great grasp of how

543
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Speaker 4: I would attack the receiver need for the Steelers this year,

544
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Speaker 4: because it's real easy to sit here and be like, oh,

545
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Speaker 4: go get Tea Higgins or Chris Godwin. But there's ten

546
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Speaker 4: teams saying that, you know what I mean, And I

547
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Speaker 4: don't know that Higgins will even leave town or a

548
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 4: Godwin and might not either. And you know, the digs

549
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Speaker 4: is of the world and Amari Cooper's and there's like

550
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Speaker 4: six guys I would have loved to have three years ago,

551
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Speaker 4: you know, that are hitting free agency. I keep coming

552
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Speaker 4: back to Devonte Adams. That would be great, but he's

553
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Speaker 4: We're not going to be the only team. I mean,

554
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Speaker 4: the serieress are not gonna be the only team out

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Speaker 4: there interested.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want to be a year late on

557
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Speaker 5: a guy.

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Speaker 4: No, And there's a lot of those that could be

559
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Speaker 4: the case, you know, Like I you know, the name

560
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Speaker 4: you brought up a bunch is Slayton with the Giants,

561
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Speaker 4: And I know people aren't doing cartwheels with that, but

562
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Speaker 4: what if it was Slayton and betch or you know? Yeah, right,

563
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Speaker 4: you know, Slayton and a day two receiver, you know,

564
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Speaker 4: and to go D line and one. I mean, it's

565
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Speaker 4: not the best thing I ever heard, but it's better

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Speaker 4: than better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's better for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially Matt.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to another break here because I got a

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Speaker 2: special guest hopping in here. We talked about his article

571
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Speaker 2: that he wrote on ESPN last week, and that's Jeremy Feller.

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Speaker 5: We'll get to a break. He is Matt Williamson. I

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Speaker 5: am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: I am here at the Senior Bowl at Hancock Whitney

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Speaker 2: Stadium here in Mobile, Alabama. Matt back in Pittsburgh. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold SNR Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 5: Radio, and we are back.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly here in Mobile, Alabama, here at Hancock

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Speaker 2: Whitney Stadium where the Senior World practices are taking place.

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Speaker 2: I've got one former ESPN employee back in Pittsburg joining

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Speaker 2: me here, Matt Williams. I got another current ESPN employee

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Speaker 2: here joining me here on the air, Jeremy Fowler. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Steeler fans will recognize Jeremy for his coverage over the

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Speaker 2: years of the Steelers for ESPN and now a national

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Speaker 2: writer here for ESPN and Jeremy you did a piece

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Speaker 2: a few uh, I guess came out last week. Yes,

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Speaker 2: last week where you you ran through you pulled some

592
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Speaker 2: different front office people from around the league about some

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Speaker 2: of the situations that are going to start taking place

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Speaker 2: here over the next month month and a half, and

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Speaker 2: one of them was.

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Speaker 5: The Steelers quarterback situation.

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Speaker 2: And your conclusion was that they're gonna resign justin fields.

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Speaker 2: But you said it was kind of split. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: was what was what was the breakdown on that was?

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Speaker 2: What were some of the things that were said about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Dale great to be with you. So I just

602
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Speaker 6: talking to some people around the league about the Steelers.

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Speaker 6: It's there are two schools of thought.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's one as do you go with the guy that

606
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Speaker 6: you had picked essentially to be the starter that you

607
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Speaker 6: did when games with it was able to move the

608
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Speaker 6: ball downfield for a little bit of time at least

609
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Speaker 6: until maybe the end of the season. Who's more the

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Speaker 6: proven guy in Russell Wilson or with Fields? There's more upside,

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Speaker 6: you know, he's got a little more athleticism of the stage,

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Speaker 6: you know, do you roll with that? He's probably cheaper

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Speaker 6: than Russell would be. So I would say, like if

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Speaker 6: you talk to ten people around the league, it's sixty

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Speaker 6: forty Fields, you know, yeah, yeah, But like the problem

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Speaker 6: is neither option is considered great.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a stopgap regardless, They're probably gonna have

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Speaker 6: to look long and hard at the draft here. But

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Speaker 6: with Russell Wilson, there's the wrinkle of Las Vegas. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I was surprised talking to like some of Pete Carroll's

622
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Speaker 6: former coaches of how many thought that he would reunite

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Speaker 6: with Russell Wilson. It was almost there wasn't really a

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Speaker 6: lot of skepticism there. It was interesting and I don't

625
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Speaker 6: think it was a negotiating thing from the agent. These

626
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Speaker 6: are just people that worked for Pete and think that

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Speaker 6: they've made amends, yeah, him and Russell, and that it's.

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Speaker 5: Time heals all wounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, So it seems entirely possible that he can

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Speaker 6: end up in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: So that adds a wrinkle to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sure seems like the Raiders are all about

634
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Speaker 4: culture right now. You know, they bring in the GM

635
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Speaker 4: from Tampa that was with Brady who's now a partial owner,

636
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Speaker 4: and then you go get Pete Carroll, who's an extreme

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Speaker 4: culture guy.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Wilson to me would help that. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 4: he was very impressive this past year with the Steelers

641
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Speaker 4: from that perspective in particular.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, just the feeling with Vegas is that they

643
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Speaker 6: needed just an entire infrastructure change, even just some of

644
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Speaker 6: the basics like nutrition, performance, you know, trainers, all that

645
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Speaker 6: stuff that sort of encompasses winning. And you know, so

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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll's really a catalyst for that. I think that's

647
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Speaker 6: a big reason why he got the job, is that

648
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Speaker 6: he brings a program and ye Russell Wilson does embody

649
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Speaker 6: that program. Now you're getting a declining player, most would say,

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Speaker 6: but still a top three free agent quarterback. They're going

651
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Speaker 6: to have to sign somebody. And what's interesting with Vegas

652
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Speaker 6: is there are some coaches there that really like Aidan O'Connell,

653
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Speaker 6: who's a bit of a statue. He's not going to

654
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Speaker 6: be a mover, but he can throw the ball from

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Speaker 6: the pocket, and they actually form pretty well at the

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Speaker 6: end of the year. So you know, they strike out

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Speaker 6: on Wilson or somebody else, they could still play him.

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Speaker 2: What's the Jeremy, what's the the market do you think

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Speaker 2: for a Justin Fields? You know, I know when when

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Speaker 2: Art Rooney spoke earlier this week, he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: the idea that they would ideally like.

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Speaker 5: To sign resign one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Probably can't resign both of them because they both view

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Speaker 2: themselves as potential starters around the league. Is do you

665
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Speaker 2: think teams around the league view Justin Fields in that light?

666
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Speaker 3: So I think he's.

667
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Speaker 6: Viewed right now as probably the second or third free

668
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 6: agent quarterback and more of a bridge starter. I would say,

669
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Speaker 6: like a more athletic gardner Minshew. Last year, what you saw.

670
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Speaker 6: I know, he had a really bad year in Vegas,

671
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 6: but when he signed he got some real money. It

672
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: was like two years, I think twenty plus million.

673
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 5: He was like twenty five yeah, right range, So he.

674
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: Actually did pretty well.

675
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Speaker 6: So I was thinking that for him, maybe maybe with

676
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 6: inflation you add a little bit. I don't sense it's

677
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Speaker 6: going to be anything close to Sam Darnold, who most

678
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 6: think would get more than that Baker Mayfield range of

679
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 6: like three years, one hundred million, maybe depending how the

680
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 6: market shakes, but there's there's gonna be a market for

681
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 6: both those guys because of the supply and demand. You

682
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 6: got at least five teams that really need a quarterback

683
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Speaker 6: picking them in the top ten. And as you know,

684
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Speaker 6: it's not a strong draft. So if Cam Lord and

685
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 6: Shador Sanders going the top ten, three teams still need one,

686
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 6: so they're gonna have to pay to get that done.

687
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was a situation here where you wanted

688
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: to see if one of these other guys could separate

689
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Speaker 2: and move into that first round.

690
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Speaker 5: Buzz I haven't really seen that happen.

691
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: That is definitely not the sense.

692
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Speaker 6: You know, Jackson darts and people are intrigued by in

693
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 6: a normal year, he wouldn't really be in the first

694
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 6: round of conversation at all, but maybe he can sneak

695
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 6: in just because typically a third quarterback has a chance,

696
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Speaker 6: at least in most drafts to go in the first round,

697
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Speaker 6: but that would be considered a reach.

698
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: You know.

699
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Speaker 6: It looks like Jalen Milroe has not helped himself this week.

700
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 6: Maybe he perks up today as a better day, you know,

701
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 6: But it's it's just not a star studied class. It

702
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 6: reminds a lot of scouts of that twenty twenty two

703
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: Kenny pick A class. You know, maybe maybe a little better.

704
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: A little better because you've got two guys at the top,

705
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 5: but maybe they're not the top. Maybe they're not in

706
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 5: the top.

707
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Ten players necessarily in the draft, but they're going to

708
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: go that high because they have the.

709
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: There's need in theirs upside for sure.

710
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's just it's an off ear though. Yeah,

711
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: it feels like every other year is going to be

712
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 6: a good quarterback class, which is shocking to me just

713
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Speaker 6: because of the importance of the position. All these kids

714
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 6: getting groomed and playing seven on seven and private quarterback

715
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 6: coaches now, and there should be more quarterbacks but there

716
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 6: aren't thirty two really good quarterbacks.

717
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: And a lot of them are staying in school longer now, yeah,

718
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, because they can and they're getting.

719
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: Paid and that's money. Yeah yeah, part of the trickle down.

720
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 6: I know.

721
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: And they're all transfers now, so it's an interesting dynamic

722
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: for sure.

723
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: That all sets up pretty well for Sam Darnold, who

724
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Speaker 4: I don't think is going to be a Steeler. But

725
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Speaker 4: what do you think his market's gonna be? I mean, Titans, Raiders.

726
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: I can't imagine I'm going back to New York with

727
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: either one of those teams, but maybe, I mean, where

728
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: do you think who do you think is interested?

729
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: Well?

730
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Speaker 3: I do you know?

731
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 6: Minnesota is interested to a point. They they took the

732
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 6: approach going into signing him and going into training camp

733
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 6: that like, hey, if he plays well for us and

734
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: gets big money elsewhere, that's great for everybody. We all

735
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 6: win because we won games and he played well and

736
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 6: he got rewarded for it, and so did we. But

737
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 6: he did well enough, and they're like, well, shoot, now

738
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 6: we have to sort of recalibrate this and look at

739
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 6: maybe keeping him.

740
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: Jack McCarthy, there's.

741
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Speaker 6: No rush to have to throw him out there right now.

742
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: So they are thinking long and hard about resigning him.

743
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 6: But I just don't get the sense it would be like.

744
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: We talking should they franchise him?

745
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that would be forty one million. I just

746
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 6: don't I don't see.

747
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 5: You don't have to trade him, correct, I mean you'd.

748
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: Have to let him test the market and say, okay,

749
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: now we're gonna get maybe instead of getting a third

750
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Speaker 2: round camp pick next year, Yeah, you get maybe maybe

751
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Speaker 2: get a two for him this year, just to get

752
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: something for him now.

753
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's possible, but it'd be a gamble because

754
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 6: of that number.

755
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't have either.

756
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: They do not. They do not.

757
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, they got other free agent they want to resign,

758
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 6: like safety can't buying them maybe Byron Murphy in the corner.

759
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they got a lot going on.

760
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: But I do think it's on the table for them

761
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 6: more so than they thought four months ago for sure.

762
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: Now.

763
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 6: You know, some people all around the league at pointed

764
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 6: to Vegas as just like just such a glaring need.

765
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 6: They're outside of the top five in the in the draft,

766
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 6: and they got to spend there. They got to get

767
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 6: something done. So if it's not Russell Wilson. I wouldn't

768
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Speaker 6: be surprised that they made a run of Darnold at

769
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 6: least like Tennessee, they're picking first. They're gonna take one

770
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 6: of those guys most likely, so they don't necessarily have

771
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Speaker 6: to stretch there.

772
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Speaker 2: Our guest is that Jeremy Fowler from ESPN, the National reporter,

773
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Speaker 2: and what we got you here, Jeremy, I wanted to

774
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Speaker 2: ask you, you know, what's the national view right now

775
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: of where the Steelers are at.

776
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 5: We talked about the quarterback position. Obviously that's going to

777
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Speaker 5: be a big part of how this thing susses out.

778
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 5: But there's there's a feeling because they didn't go any

779
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: farther this year than they did last year, that they

780
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 5: hadn't improved a team. And I don't know that that's

781
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: necessarily the case. I think they did take some stay

782
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: towards improvement, you know, improving the roster, But the quarterback

783
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: position is so important. Just what's what's the feeling of

784
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: that nationally?

785
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: So it depends on what you talk to.

786
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 6: I think if you if you get off social media,

787
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 6: you have more of like a broader view right of like, hey,

788
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 6: they've had reasonable success that they fall in flat late.

789
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: But you know, obviously the fire Tomlin stuff comes up

790
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 6: every time you get online, so I try to stay

791
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: away from all that. But I think the league view

792
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 6: is that this is a team that clearly needs a quarterback,

793
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: Like you gotta do something. It's been how long since

794
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 6: Ben Roethlisberger was in his mid thirties, and they're like,

795
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 6: at that time, I think they were still winning playoff.

796
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, really since twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, you haven't seen.

797
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're talking eight years. So it's like something has

798
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 6: to give there. They got to find a solution there.

799
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 6: I think the Rosters looked at as generally a little

800
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: bit better than it was a year or two ago.

801
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 6: You know that the defense struggling at the end of

802
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 6: the year is is something that I think people are

803
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 6: trying to make sense with. But you know, they're generally

804
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 6: in a good place. I think from a big picture

805
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 6: talking we talked about Las Vegas and them needing maybe

806
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 6: some changes internally how they do things. I do think

807
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 6: the Steelers with you know, for his the proverbial old

808
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: school label that they get, you know, I do think

809
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 6: there's something to be said for, like, you know, investing

810
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 6: in bigger personnel staffs, like infrastructure, training, like resources, you know,

811
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 6: pouring money into the whole operation. You know, I wonder

812
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 6: if that affects things a little bit, Like I know,

813
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 6: people in buildings, they coaches, they notice that stuff, and

814
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 6: it sort of permeates winning. So you know, I think

815
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 6: maybe that's maybe they need to modernize in some way.

816
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: But I don't know what that would look like.

817
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 6: But it's just these teams have so much money and

818
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 6: so many resources now they're spending it, and I think

819
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: it does help at times, like you see with Philadelphia.

820
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 6: That's just a prime example of you know, they have

821
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 6: huge staffs, huge personnel staffs, they have a lot of resources.

822
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 6: He still comes out of the players playing winning games.

823
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: But I do think all that matters.

824
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 4: Do you think the Steelers will be big buyers in

825
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: free agency?

826
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 6: I think they'll get a receiver, I really do. That

827
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 6: depends on who's out to the problem is that, once again.

828
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: Not a great not a great group to pick from

829
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: the outside of t Higgins you leave Sincy.

830
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't see how they do it.

831
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 6: I mean, talking to people here, it's like, at the minimum,

832
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 6: it's gonna cost you twenty six million a year. At

833
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 6: the minimum. At this point, that's the feeling just kind

834
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 6: of pulling people.

835
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: And they'll be six or seven different teams bidding on it,

836
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: so it probably ends up being closer to thirty than

837
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: anything else right now.

838
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 6: I actually don't think it's gonna be a ton of teams.

839
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 6: I'm surprised at how many teams are looking more for

840
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: a speed guy. And he's not a speed guy. Yeah,

841
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 6: he's really really good as a possession guy.

842
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: But so that's why I.

843
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: Keep coming up with the Chargers and Patriots because they

844
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: have so much money.

845
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean the Patriots will do

846
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 6: whatever it takes to get somebody. But I look at,

847
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 6: you know, guy like Darius Slayton, I like him, Yeah,

848
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 6: Marquise Brown. I think those guys could get overpaid a

849
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 6: little bit because they can run. Yeah, and there are

850
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 6: enough teams that need a receiver that are looking specifically

851
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 6: for speed, So I'd be shocked to the Stewers don't

852
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 6: do something there. I mean, I think the George Pickens

853
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 6: situation is I mean, we all know it's not great.

854
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 6: I think it's probably worse than people think, honestly, just

855
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 6: as far as like, are they tapped out like, is

856
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 6: it gonna get worse? I think that's a real question.

857
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 6: In the building, I do so, and outside of that,

858
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 6: you don't have much, so they got to do something.

859
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 5: Yeah.

860
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: What are you hearing in regards to the last question

861
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: for you, Jeremy in terms of Chris Goblin's recovery from

862
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: my from his injury.

863
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's a good one. He's he's a stud.

864
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a great player, you know. I think

865
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 6: he's gonna the outlook is good. I think he's gonna

866
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 6: be okay for the season. I don't know where he

867
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 6: is right now.

868
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 5: It was a nasty injury, though it was kind of sideways. Yeah,

869
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: I know.

870
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: I don't sense a lot of issues with the Bucks.

871
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 6: I think most people think he'll resign there and be

872
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 6: kind of like a Buck for life like Mike Evans is.

873
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: But we'll see, you know.

874
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 6: It's maybe I think they'll probably be looking for some

875
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: sort of discount because of the injury, So maybe that

876
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 6: creates some complications where he would look elsewhere. But I

877
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: haven't heard any major issues with the injury that I

878
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 6: should go check on that. I don't know where it

879
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 6: stands right now, but I don't sends a lot of

880
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: hesitation for the buck side.

881
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: I'm glad we could help you out with the job there. Yeah.

882
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: Anyways, our guest has been Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, their

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Speaker 2: national reporter. Of course, Jeremy for a long time Steelers

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Speaker 2: reporter in Pittsburgh when he was before he went Nashal

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Speaker 2: went big time, honest. But practice is over, we'll let

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Speaker 2: we'll let Jeremy get going.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 5: I'm Dale Lolli.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson, and this is the right the

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Speaker 2: Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 5: Matt and are gonna get going. That's gonna do it

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Speaker 5: for the show today. Appreciate Jeremy stopping by and absolutely

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Speaker 5: absolutely catch up with you combine for sure.

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Speaker 3: We'll see him month.

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Speaker 5: Yeah absolutely. Then the owners meetings always something everybody gets

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Speaker 5: together every month. But that's gonna do it for today's show.

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Speaker 2: For so for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller

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Speaker 2: back on site making sure we get on the air

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Speaker 2: and everything happens.

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Speaker 5: I am Dale Lolly. We want to thank you for

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Speaker 5: listening to this edition of the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 5: Audio Network.