WEBVTT - "Toys" w/ Richard Perez 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.480 Podcast starts now, just kidding, This is George with a 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.840 very quick reminder that you can see me in Somerville, 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.560 Massachusetts this Thursday at the Rockwell Theater at seven pm 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.360 and nine pm, and in New York City next Monday, 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.239 March twenty fourth at Joe's Pub. And lastly, I am 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.400 finally taping my special on April first at the Slipper 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.879 Room in Manhattan, and tickets are now as of today out. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.840 It will be a very intimate show. It's a small 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:47.800 space and the audience will only be eighty people, so 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.880 please bring your friends with the loudest and most infectious 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.920 laughs because it will make a huge difference and I 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.760 can't wait to see you. 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I am 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.080 in such a place of sponge like absorption of the 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:40.800 world around me, and I'm ready to create. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.600 Have you ever done the Artist's way? You know? 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.560 Here's the thing. I have started it twice. I don't 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.400 think I have gotten past like week three both times. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.360 Well that's all you need. But I've been hearing about 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.400 it secondhand, and it's I think it's funny to be like, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.320 just be open for God to come through you. And 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.280 I'm like, oh my god, I'm literally so open all 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.000 the time. That's crazy. I'm literally such a vessel for Christ. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.320 That's awesome. You know. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.520 I recently, in a very vulnerable turn, shared my forgotten 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.000 audiobook library. I don't know if you saw this, I did, 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.480 I did, I would say pretty alarming. I don't know 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.720 how much you how much you sort of like took 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:23.880 it in. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.040 It was all self help stuff. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.200 It was a lot of self help that I listened 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.720 to one chapter of because I I just and the 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.280 thing is I just am not. I know I'm not 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.919 a self help person. I know I can't do it. However, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.120 you know, once a year, someone will someone I trust 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.680 will be like, yeah, I know I'm not either. I'm 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.600 also like punk rock and uh, you know, fuck the system, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.440 but this one really helped me. And then I'll be 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.560 like all right, like if you say so, maybe you're right, 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.880 and then I will I will have an allergic reaction 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.400 to it. I can't do it. And I actually think 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.520 that's my issue with artists way too, because I'm also like, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:01.240 why like when they're like, do morning pages and just 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.320 write a stream of consciousness without taking your pen off 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:09.680 the paper, and like, no, what if I write while thinking? 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.560 And I actually like organize my ideas? 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.160 Yeah, but then you're being critical and you're like they're 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.600 trying to like make you more open and not be 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:20.960 critical of your ideas. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.080 And you find that that has worked for you. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.000 Uh yeah, I actually love being non critical of writing 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.240 at first, because it just, like you know I've been 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.800 talking about it, is like you developed like a scab 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.520 and you're sort of like, Okay, well now I'm scabbed 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.920 so hard over that I can't come up with anything. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.600 But if you're just if you're if you break that 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.960 scab off by just writing whatever. Then you're like, oh, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.480 I guess you just write whatever because if you're putting oh, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.760 I think I'm frozen. And that's okay, Okay, we're back. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.920 We're back, thank god. So basically I was talking about 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.320 scabs and about how we all have them. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.480 I just want to say, you know, for everyone listening, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.839 we did all just freeze. And also, it is four 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.160 forty five pm on a Friday my time. 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.080 Yeah, and I will say it's one forty four on 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.240 a Friday my time. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.320 Which is maybe worse. I'll say, no, mine's worse. Sorry 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.200 to center myself. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:21.520 Why is it worse? 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.120 Do you feel because you're still in the middle of 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.880 your work day, like you can you can you know, yes, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.279 the day is winding down, but like if you're working 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.400 in an office right now, you could potentially be going 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:32.840 to a meeting. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.279 No, I mean, you're right. It's just when you said that, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.400 I got scared. I was like I felt like an 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.000 injustice where I was like, there's someone in a meeting 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.400 right now, yeah, and like that's I actually want to 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.000 like free them, Like I want to like run into 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.240 the office with a gun, yeah and say let them out, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.200 don't you think though? 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.640 Okay, here's my take on meetings in when I've been 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.120 in an office environment. What's great about meetings is that 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.280 you actually have an excuse to kind of zone out 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.800 and do nothing, Whereas if you're at your desk, it's 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.800 more stressful because you feel they need to appear like 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.599 you're working. You can just listen attentively if you're in 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.320 a meeting. When I am in an obfice environment and 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.960 suddenly I have like what's called in the business back 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.120 to back meetings. Let's say it's like lunchhim and you're like, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.640 oh God, Like I can't believe I'm back to back 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.200 meetings from two to six pm. To me, that's heaven. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.640 I'm basically sleepwalking through the entire afternoon. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.760 But this is something that speaks to you as a performer, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.440 Like there's something about the performance of a meeting that 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.880 speaks to you more than the like it is at 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.080 your desk. The only person you're performing for is yourself. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.880 Like it's like send that email and you're like, fuck, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.200 I have to send that email and you're like just 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.440 sort of overthinking it, and you're like I don't want to. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.920 I don't want to. I don't want to. But as 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.800 soon as like someone else's eyes are on you. You're 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.040 like watch this, I can like tap dance around you guys, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:50.920 and in this meeting. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.840 Yeah, an email, First of all, it's never gonna an 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.160 email as a form is never gonna be transcendent. Like 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.279 it's very rare that I've written a trend and send 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.560 an email, but it's actually very common that I've said 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.640 something absolutely legendary in a meeting. You know, I just 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.719 have to sort of get in the zone. So email 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.599 it's not going to be transcendent, and you're not going 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.840 to get positive feedback meeting. Honestly, most people are not 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.600 that bright. All you have to do is speak up 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.400 and say something semi coherent. Immediately you're going to get 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:18.800 praised from two people in that room. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.200 I mean, talk about vessel for Christ, talk about artists. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.360 Way when you're in a boardroom and you're speaking like 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.120 God is speaking through you, Yeah, there is a divine 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.560 energy in you in a boardroom speaking. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.159 And it's also like I, oh, actually I almost do 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.320 want to talk about this. I bombed so hard last 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.960 night at a show and it made me remember something 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.560 I you know, you sort of forget we're so used 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.640 to being in front of people speaking in front of people. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.760 That then it's like a piece of cake. If you're 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.840 in a boardroom and you have people like aggressively nodding 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.960 in a kind of performative way. Yeah, we've been like 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.480 training for it our whole lives. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:02.440 Yeah, can I ask this bomb? Did it emotionally hurt? 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:02.680 You know? 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.400 It was one of those New York nights where I 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.159 was running late, so I took an uber, which, you know, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.440 bad decision. It was snowing and there was traffic. I 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.520 show up to the show forty minutes late. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:16.600 Wow. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:17.880 I mean I knew I was going to be last 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.200 on the lineup, so I wasn't you know, I knew 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.560 I wasn't like inconveniencing anyone, But I was originally going 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:24.960 to show up on time. And I showed up forty 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.120 minutes late after paying thirty dollars for aneuver get to 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.840 the show, immediately have to go up Bomb, leave the show. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.400 I get stuck on a jay train for twenty minutes 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:39.240 with no cell service. It's just it's kind of like, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.440 you know, you're you're heading home and your clothes are ripped, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.640 you're bleeding, your phone is dead. One shoe is gone. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:52.040 You're basically crawling on the floor, and I'd be lying 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.080 if I said it wasn't also sort of romantic in 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.600 this way, because I am, you know, kind of Carrie 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.960 Bradshaw locked out of her apartment, you know, Broad City, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.760 the gals sort of like with you know, one boob 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.560 out of the bra like trying to get to the 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.320 Lil Wayne concert. So you know, you win some, you 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.400 lose some. But it definitely did not feel good. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:13.920 Yeah, that hurts. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:19.440 And I hadn't bombed it, well, I guess I hadn't. Yeah, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:20.920 I guess I hadn't bombed in a while. It is 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:21.880 the truth of it, I'll be. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.800 Honest, not the brag. Do you think was it just 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.040 flusteredness or was it. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.960 Like that's what hurt is that it was my fault. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.400 It was I somehow went up and did not have 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.840 the right energy to begin with. Said one thing. The 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:42.760 audience immediately did not care about me. I was unable 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.800 to leave the sort of vocal monotone I was like, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.960 and then I was aware of that, so I was 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.480 trying to make myself sound animated, so it was like 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.800 I was forcing a smile and they could also sense 0:08:54.880 --> 0:09:00.320 the inauthenticity in that, and then I actually like, like, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:01.800 forgot my material. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:04.320 Now that's classic. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.120 That's kind of crazy. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.760 Yeah, And you know sometimes you actually, if you're in 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.520 a good enough place, you can forget something and then 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.679 roll with the punches and almost transcend and like improv 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.319 on the spot. This was one of those things where 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.559 would like say half a sentence and then remember that 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.920 I forgot something, and then just go back and repeat 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.720 it without like addressing it, and then they wouldn't laugh, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.960 and I'd be like, why I said it? I said 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.240 it the right way. What the fuck do you want? 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.720 That's tough? Yeah, damn, I'm like bombed central these days, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.960 are you well? I've I did one show last week 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.679 and bombed, and it was weird because there were coworkers there, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.120 and then everyone has to be like good job, and 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.720 I have to be like thank you, because it's even 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:44.960 worse to be like, I bombed. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.360 Can I tell you something? I did that? And that 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.760 was the final straw where I was like, oh, I 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.440 am fully like this is the biggest flop night of 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.360 my life because I ran into people and you and 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:02.679 I immediately did a whole self flag, like oh god, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.920 that was rough, like am I right? Blah blah blah, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.520 and they were all like, no, you were good, and 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.880 it's like, what am I doing here? 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.360 Just let me just say I bombed? It's okay. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.200 Of course they can't say that. You're like, it's like 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.320 you're putting them in a weird spot. Of course you 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:21.679 did the right thing and I did the wrong thing. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.360 Like you can never start talking to someone about bombing. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.200 You literally have to go thanks, thank you. Yeah, and 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.320 guess what, no one cares, No one, No one cares 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.959 for even a second. Yeah, that's like the biggest lesson. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.959 That's the biggest takeaway. That should put that in the 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.320 artist way. No one cares, No one cares. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.520 I'm sorry, but if that if Julia Cameron ever tried 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.439 stand up comedy, she'd be in tears in a second. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.720 I don't think any of those methods that she's so 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:46.839 famous for would help her. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.600 Well, that's because stand up comedy is not an art. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.640 Maybe if she was a painter or a screenwriter. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.480 The cowardly art forms should we bring in. Our guests 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.880 are esteemed guest who actually has never bombed in yeah, I. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:10.560 Never bomb Please please welcome Richard Pez for the second time. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:12.560 But who's counting? 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:13.640 Returning Champ? 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:20.199 Returning Champ? Mama, Hi, Oh my god, Hi, how are 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.480 you speaking of bombing? Hi? 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:31.559 Hi? Hi? Now sometimes it feels like I'll get on stage, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:38.120 I'll be like hi, and I'm just like covered in 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.240 sid I like sweep myself off the stage. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.560 Yeah, there's like the ringing in your ear, like your 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.440 vision has that like blur effect on it. I hate that. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.079 I wish I was the type of performer like, here's 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.520 my dream. All right, this is when you act. I'm 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.960 on a lineup, I have seven minutes to perform. The 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.319 entire bit is that I have a series of false starts. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.840 So I like say Hi, Then I like slip and fall. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.280 Then I get up and I'm like sorry about that. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.800 Then I like get the mic, but it falls on 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.560 my hand. Then I spent like, you know, two minutes 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.439 trying to put it back together, and I'm like hi, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.520 and then my phone rings. I'm like, I'm sorry, I 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.080 have to take this, but I do that, you know, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.080 Andy Kaufman style for ten full minutes. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.920 I mean that would be I've certainly tried. You've done that. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.640 I've done that before, I've done who sets where I 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.160 haven't done a joke, yeah, which are my favorite sets. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.080 But then it's kind of tough because the whole point 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:25.520 is to like have jokes. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.840 So is it? 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.960 Is it? Thank you? That's actually a good point? Is it? 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.160 What even is the point? 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.520 What even is the point? 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.439 What even is the point? Guys, let's start there. What 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.200 even is what is the point? 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.000 Rich? Rich? 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.280 First question we have for you is what even is 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:40.760 the point? 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:46.000 Okay, Like I think that, Well, thank you so much 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:46.600 for having me. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:47.200 Well, thanks for being here. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:47.959 Stop stalling. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.000 Well it says that I'm trying to, like because thinking 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.520 about what you guys were talking about with like artists 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.400 way and the thoughts that kind of stop you when 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.640 you're in the writing process to like persist and to continue. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.720 I feel that way about just speaking in general. So 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.800 in a board meeting or whatever meeting, I don't say anything, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.400 and I'm trying to get better about that. Even if 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.800 I do perform on stage and I don't say anything 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.079 for like ten minutes, I'm like at a meeting where 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.360 it's like, well, everyone of you, like, you know, just 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.760 tell me your opinion on this or whatever, Like, yeah, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:30.840 I get in a way. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.960 Would you rather send any send an email or speak 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:34.800 up in a board meeting. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.760 I think I don't even know both feel like I'm like, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:40.719 I didn't get you need to be. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.160 Honest, one to say, in order for you to communicate, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.719 you have to be on a stage in front of 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.240 an audience. Otherwise it's like. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.960 Yeah, like it's sold out, sold out. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.240 No, that's so true, Like I won't I can't get 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.120 my point across. The show isn't sold out. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:57.880 Exactly. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.920 Yeah, that really really is tough when the show's not 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:01.440 sold out. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.600 But yet no, like it's just like I don't know, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.120 Like I just have a heart. Like I remember back 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.520 back at UNI, when I was in art school, we 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.679 would have crit uh huh, and I loved it, you know, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.040 love to hear about people's process and what they're working on, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.560 you know, unpacking some of those things together was fun 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.400 for me. But I felt like I would have a 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.520 thought and then of course someone else would say it 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.240 and I was like, oh, I thought the same exact thing. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.360 And then someone the teachers like that's so true, what 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.720 a great thought you had, And I'm like. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.720 Yeah, can I say something about that stuff? Yeah, I 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.440 wouldn't be able to deal with it. This idea like, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.480 if I ever like doing an MFA and having everyone 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.840 go around and say their opinions, I'm like, I respect 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.000 maybe one of you, and I have to listen to 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.080 what you think about my work. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.400 I mean, but maybe, like sometimes I get that, but 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.240 I'm like, maybe sometimes they would like at least like 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.920 asking sure where I'm like, oh, I didn't even think 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:02.240 of that. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.520 I am sometimes I can just stress myself out by 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.760 imagining that there's a drag race, but for like gay 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.880 comedians and like, and I can I can imagine the 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.840 fans like hating me and loving someone else and being 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.760 like middle of the road, and I can get upset 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.600 at like something that doesn't even exist. I think anytime 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.680 you're in comparison with people who are your peers, I'm 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:26.560 trying to get upset. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:32.160 Oh yeah, and guess what there is that it's called 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.880 literally all of all of all of the audiences at 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:37.440 the Millhouse. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:38.720 That's true. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.880 They're leaving and they're saying, this wasn't as good as 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.400 when we went to Gay Guys version two. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.280 Yeah, they have those little note cards they give out 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.720 that are like, rank this performance based on the last 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.000 six performances you've seen. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:56.480 Yeah, and everyone honestly, everyone you challenge and then RuPaul's 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.040 comes out, but it's David Cross. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.480 I feel that way sometimes with some certain shows, like 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.800 a homework show or something like I recently did like 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.240 a Housewives like show, and I don't watch that show. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.440 I don't know that universe at all, but I agreed 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:11.960 to it, and I was just like, oh, yeah, like 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.160 this should be I'm gay, but it's it's like a 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.040 table read. I'm like, okay, yeah, like easy, like, oh, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.640 I'll site read, but then like I once I get there, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.720 I forget that, like everyone's the huge Like people that 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.600 come to the show are like fans of the of Housewives, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.560 and they there's an expectation or something and the character 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.680 that I or the person that I was like reading 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:39.360 as like as iconic lines and or whatever. Like there's 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.920 these really funny moments that I was just sight reading 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.840 and I was like, in real yeah, but you were 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.840 figuring out like what. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.440 But I think that's better because it's like the difference 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.960 between in a biopicch someone doing an impression and someone 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.680 like embodying a character, Like it's like in. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.880 A lip sync when someone does the actual Corey over 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.479 since someone makes up their own sy. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.240 Exactly could have done that, but I didn't. My fear 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.640 got in the way, my own my critical my critical 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.240 voice got in the way, and I failed that week. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.399 Oh so you were kind of like reading it in 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.399 a straightforward way, as though you would be doing like 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:13.800 a reading at a funeral. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.359 Yeah. I was like, I wasn't filming, you, guys, I 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:18.240 wasn't filming. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.119 And would you say it reached a point of anti 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.560 comedy maybe where it was like really funny that you 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.919 were speaking in a monotone or no, yeah, did it 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:26.600 loop back around? 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.760 No, it was anti comedy that like, no. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.439 One, yeah, I mean that's. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:37.240 That's no one was laughing when I was speaking, damn, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.160 And that's really fine. It's fine. And then I got 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.879 off stage. I was like, I suck, and everybody's like, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.440 I know, you were good, you were good. No, I 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:47.919 I know. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.240 I really like the idea of you doing a Real 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.240 Housewives staged reading and then like being so depressed about 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.520 bombing that you're going around being like I fucking suck, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.320 Like I bomb that I fucked at that, and everyone's 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.600 like it's like that's not the Real Housewives reading. Like 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.119 you read the words like I bombed. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:14.600 I bombed. At this rate, I'll never get a I 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.000 don't know. Yeah, I mean I was low key a little. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:17.320 I didn't. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:18.920 I mean, I wasn't like I bombed. I bombed, but 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.439 I was just kind of like I just want to go. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:23.639 Yeah, that's definitely. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.719 That's definitely how. That's how. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.520 And I've had like there was like friends from college 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.160 too that were there, Like no, I heard the people 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.919 I haven't seen in a long time, and I'm like 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.480 they're like, hey, but I can feel that energy of 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:42.760 like hey, that's so fun, Like no, it really, but 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:43.640 maybe I'm projected. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.320 Maybe I'm just No, it's tough to bomb in front 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.639 of people that know you because it's like because they 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.679 probably see you once every blank years, like literally, so 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.520 it's like literally you just be like this does happen? 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.840 Like it's just like I'm not this is a representation 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.800 of who I am in total. That's also what's got 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.040 starting is like when like you're starting and then someone 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.440 that you look up to is like on the same 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.879 show as you, and you're like, okay, okay, okay, this 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.159 is the only time I'm going to see me and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.280 you go up and like do medium to bad and 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:14.320 you're like, well they will for years think I suck right. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.720 You know what's worse than that, well, potentially doing really well, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.800