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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, Missing,

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Speaker 1: day forty four. What do we know tonight? What are

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Speaker 1: the latest developments in the search for Nancy Guthrie? And

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Speaker 1: why are people piling on Savannah Guthrie at the possibility

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Speaker 1: she may try to go back and work, to try

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Speaker 1: to resume her life with her family and her children.

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Speaker 1: Why is she being attacked? I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Dave Mack joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter day. What's

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Speaker 1: the latest, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: It appears that the FBI has been able to get

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Speaker 2: additional thumbnail pictures and video from Nancy Guthrie's home. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about from the roof and other cameras that actually

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Speaker 2: cover the side of the house and the backyard and

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Speaker 2: the driveway, so all of the area around the house

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Speaker 2: actually is covered in video and picture form.

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Speaker 3: But what we're being told.

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Speaker 2: Is that this video, these pictures only cover the I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to remember the exact order here, but they don't

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Speaker 2: actually show anything out of the ordinary. And even though

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Speaker 2: they show time right up until the time Nancy Guthrie disappears,

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Speaker 2: and they show time after Nancy Guthrie is gone, the

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Speaker 2: time period in question where we believe she was kidnapped

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Speaker 2: and taken from her home. No pictures or video from

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Speaker 2: that time. There are pictures of people that are walking

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Speaker 2: around the swimming pool area in the backyard, and if

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Speaker 2: you remember, the FBI investigators spent a lot of time

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Speaker 2: around the pool. They looked along the edge of the

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Speaker 2: a lot of time out there. Now we've got pictures

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Speaker 2: documenting who was out there, but by the way, only

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Speaker 2: up until the time Nancy Guthrie went missing and after

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Speaker 2: the time she was reported missing, So we've got a

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Speaker 2: blackout of video and pictures that we don't see anything

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Speaker 2: we actually believe it or not. Have pictures of police

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Speaker 2: officers who arrive and do the initial investigation just after

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Speaker 2: twelve noon, the day she's reported missing, but we have

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Speaker 2: nothing for the preceding twelve hours or even more than that,

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Speaker 2: So there's like a blackout of that time period that's

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Speaker 2: been the biggest news. And there are people seen in pictures.

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Speaker 2: There are pictures, people seen in videos, but none of

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Speaker 2: this is going to be released to the public, as

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Speaker 2: law enforcement says, has nothing to do with the case.

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Speaker 2: So whether or not we ever see these pictures, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll have to just wait and see. But

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Speaker 2: there has been other activities surrounding the Nancy Guthrie case.

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Speaker 2: There's as always, there's so many rumors. It gets really

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Speaker 2: crazy at certain times. But the cameras that are on

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Speaker 2: top of the house and around the house are really

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Speaker 2: the biggest important part of the investigation right now. The

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Speaker 2: other part that we have talked about the Wi fi,

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Speaker 2: the WiFi jammer. Okay, because we do have like a

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Speaker 2: blackout period around the time Nancy Guthrie disappears. The time

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Speaker 2: she vanishes, it's like from you know, one forty five

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Speaker 3: Wi Fi goes down in her house.

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Speaker 2: We also have the next door neighbor behind her house. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's a house that actually faces their front yard faces

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Speaker 3: In swimming Pool area.

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Speaker 2: Well, those are the people who actually said their dog

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Speaker 2: started acting up that night around two thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 2: This is a dog that doesn't bark at nice leaps

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Speaker 2: through the night, doesn't cause any problems, and that when

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Speaker 2: they went and checked their video feed to see, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Why is our dog barking?

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Speaker 2: The dog was barking towards Nancy Guthrie's backyard, and none

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Speaker 2: of their doorbell cameras, their actual security cameras would connect

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Speaker 2: with the Internet. Now they have four cameras, two facing

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Speaker 2: own house worked just fine, no problem there. It was

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. Those were the cameras that would not connect

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Speaker 3: But their dog was going crazy.

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Speaker 2: So that's another of the things that were actually spending

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Speaker 2: not going to show them to us, as they say

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Speaker 2: they do show people before. Nancy Guthrie disappearance walking around

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Speaker 3: Also Nancy.

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Speaker 2: The Uber driver that picked up Nancy Guthrie picked her

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Speaker 2: up at five point thirty two pm and was taking

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Speaker 2: Nancy from her home to her daughter, Annie Guthrie's home.

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Speaker 2: It's not a long drive, It's a ten minute drive,

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Speaker 2: you know. But immediately after this case broke, Sheriff's department

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Speaker 2: from inside the vehicle. This was looked at by the investigation.

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Speaker 2: They found nothing of substance of anything of Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 2: They interviewed the Uber driver at length and again there

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Speaker 2: her house and going to Annie and Tomaso. Annie and Tomaso,

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Speaker 2: a family member dropped Nancy Guthrie off at nine forty eight,

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Speaker 2: So that's the tie up there. But again, the uber

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Scott Iiker joining US Digital for instance,

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Speaker 1: expert founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team

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Speaker 1: who has taken an integral role in the search for

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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie now at Precision Cellular Analysis, Scott Aiker, what

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Speaker 1: do you make of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, the video that they can get from Uber

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Speaker 4: We've we've had murder cases where we've uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: What about the images from Nancy's cameras before and after

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Speaker 2: the abduction, but not the day of what could possibly

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Speaker 4: If you remember back when we first got the porch

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Speaker 4: actually Google. Google owns Nest, and we got them to

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Speaker 4: so we got those images of the guy walking forward

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Speaker 4: At this point, all they were able to get is

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Speaker 4: these thumbnail photos, very small if you know what a

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Speaker 4: thumbnail is, very small photos, and they're just around specific times.

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Speaker 4: You know, we do know that it's at the daylight

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Speaker 4: we know it's around the backyard and the sideyard. All

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Speaker 4: would have been very helpful if we had those thumbnails

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Speaker 4: Either there was the suspected Wi Fi jammer that the

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Speaker 4: been just an internet outage during that timeframe for the neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: We also know that there was, as you mentioned, the

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Speaker 4: unable to get any video during that timeframe, So that

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Speaker 4: could all indicate either a blackout, a Wi Fi jammer,

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Speaker 2: Could the lack of images or lack of information during

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Speaker 4: Yes, it can in that aspect, we see, you know,

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Speaker 4: when that happened. We suspected it's obviously on the night

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Speaker 4: there's a blackout or there's you know, just missing data.

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Speaker 4: We see that in guys that are doing robberies. They

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Speaker 4: turn off their phone when they're doing the robbery, but

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace joining us now over now

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall. She is joining from the LA Jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: She is the author of deal Breakers. You can see

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Speaker 1: her now on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall. This is a whole

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Speaker 1: other can of worms about what he's wrong with people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I say that every day.

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Speaker 1: But Savannah, our friend from way back when when we

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Speaker 1: were together at Court TV, is being attacked because she

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Speaker 1: has visited her work family at the Today Show and

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Speaker 1: there are rumblings she's going to go back to work.

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Speaker 1: Just remind her she has two little children. I think

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Speaker 6: I think again, as I keep saying the idea, let's

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Speaker 1: compartmentalize and move forward. Well. One way that Savannah could

434
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Speaker 1: be consoled is if we could crack the case and

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Speaker 1: give her answers. Doctor Bethany, thank you. In light of

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Speaker 1: the fact that Pema County sheriffs are releasing so little

437
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: information regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie,

438
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: online conspiracy theorists and beyond have been reduced to coming

439
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: up with their own solutions as to where is missus Guthrie.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the reality TV crew did it?

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Speaker 7: Here's my Nancy Guthrie conspiracy theory. So I heard earlier

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Speaker 7: today that the Pima County Sheriff's office was involved with

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Speaker 7: a reality TV crew. It was a show about Pema County.

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Speaker 1: I think that.

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Speaker 7: The reality TV people are involved in one of two ways.

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00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 7: They got down there and realized that the Pema County

447
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 7: Sheriff's office is not interesting enough to make a reality

448
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 7: TV show about. So either they were going to go

449
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 7: a long way to create some drama, or the sheriff

450
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 7: was going to go on the long way to crink some drama.

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Speaker 1: See. I could watch her all day long, all day

452
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: and wonder about what's going on in her head. That's

453
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Speaker 1: a very unique theory. That is from Veronica and the

454
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: Baby Boo on TikTok. I think I need a shrink,

455
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: a shrink and a drink, but since I don't drink,

456
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: I'll have to go with just the shrink. Joining us

457
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction, Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: author of deal Breakers. You can see her now on

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Speaker 1: Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, I understand the reticence for admitting you're a

461
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: fan of certain reality TV shows, but to blame them

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Speaker 1: from Miss Guthrie's disappearance.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, conspiracy theorists almost always believe that there's

464
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Speaker 6: some nefarious group that has banded together for some secret purpose.

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Speaker 6: But in this case, with this woman, she believes she

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Speaker 6: has some superior or unique way of looking at the situation.

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Speaker 6: It's also based on something called confirmation bias Nancy. Confirmation

468
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Speaker 6: bias is when you develop an idea and then you

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Speaker 6: keep looking for data to confirm that idea. So she

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Speaker 6: may have had, you know, woken up some morning with

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Speaker 6: this little idea in her head that there was a

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Speaker 6: reality TV show that they were concocting, and then she

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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 6: keeps looking for clues to bump up her theory and

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Speaker 6: to convince herself she's.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you know what, you pointed out something very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Once you get hell bent on a theory, then suddenly

477
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: you find yourself making all the facts fit into your theory.

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Speaker 1: Now we're showing you Desert Law from A and E,

479
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: and I assume that is the reality show she's talking about.

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00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, she'll be blaming the Kardashians. But

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Speaker 1: I will have to give her this, Bethany. It is

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Speaker 1: an unfortunate turn of events that the Pima County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Office is involved in a reality show in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the search for Nancy Guthrie. So I understand Veronica

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Speaker 1: and the Baby Booze concern. Okay, here's another one, blaming

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Speaker 1: a quote Seemi famous EDM house music person. What is EDM.

487
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of a high energy electronic subgenre of dance music.

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00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: It's a repetitive four on the floor beat anyway, listen.

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Speaker 8: I think a semi famous EDM house music person is

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Speaker 8: the one who took Nancy Guthrie because of the location

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Speaker 8: of where they were the night before and the night

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Speaker 8: into the kidnapping. Also, a video from twenty seventeen on

493
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Speaker 8: their Facebook page is the exact gloves.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany help me. That's from Carissa unmasked on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client I've had this happen

496
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Speaker 1: in court where somebody looks really really intelligent and they

497
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Speaker 1: act very intelligent, and they are articulate, and they look

498
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Speaker 1: you in the face and they emphasize the right words

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Speaker 1: and they are crazy.

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Speaker 6: Yes, because this tendency towards believing in conspiracy theories is

501
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: associated with a personal desire to feel superior, to feel unique,

502
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 6: to feel above everybody else. So these people tend to

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00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 6: be very we think of narcissism. They tend to be

504
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 6: very kind of grandiose, charming, beautiful. They tend to put

505
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 6: themselves together so they could be very convincing Nancy. They

506
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 6: actually believe their own lives. And when we think of

507
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 6: the EDM and confirmation bias, let's say maybe she's involved

508
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Speaker 6: in the dance world. Maybe she's a musician, maybe she

509
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 6: likes nightlife, so she has just enough data to pull

510
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 6: her theories together and make them sound quite convincing.

511
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Speaker 1: There is the famous quote that a little power is

512
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Okay,

513
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: now here, we're going into an alternate universe, Doctor Bethany,

514
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: an alternate universe where only this TikToker knows that Nancy

515
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Guthrie has already been found and that we're just playing

516
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: out some kind of drama on the air.

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Speaker 9: Listen, Has anyone else experienced this Mendel effect yet?

518
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: Cause I feel like I'm going crazy.

519
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Speaker 9: I thought that Nancy got there, was found because we

520
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 9: have this TV in the lobby.

521
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 5: Here, it's always on the news.

522
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Speaker 9: That's the only time that I ever watched the news,

523
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 9: and like, I don't even really watch it.

524
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 5: It's just kind of background noise.

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Speaker 10: And when I was here, I remember hearing them say, oh,

526
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 10: you know, she's a little shaken up, she's a little scared,

527
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Speaker 10: but she's safe, And those are the exact words I.

528
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Speaker 5: Remember them saying.

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Speaker 9: And I look up and I'm like, oh cool, they

530
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 9: found her, and they're like, yeah.

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Speaker 5: She's been found. She's scared.

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Speaker 9: She's safe though, and everyone was happy, and I was like, Oh,

533
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 9: this is so great.

534
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: And then I.

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Speaker 9: Come back the next day and I see on the

536
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Speaker 9: TV that it said, oh, they're putting out a reward

537
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 9: and she hasn't been found yet. There's been no updates,

538
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 9: blah blah blah, and I'm like, oh, it must be

539
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 9: an old like an older episode of whatever this is,

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00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 9: and it's just rerunning that news segment and they were

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Speaker 9: I was like waiting for them to cut to like, oh, yeah,

542
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Speaker 9: but now you know, we found her and it never happened.

543
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Speaker 5: And I google it and she still has not been found.

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Speaker 1: That's horror, mommy on TikTok, and I want to clear

545
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: something up. I don't necessarily think these TikTokers are crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think that they have grabbed a thread of the

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Speaker 1: facts and they have started to unravel it in their

548
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: own way. Now, my point of discussing this with you

549
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: is doctor Bethany, that this is just a tiny taste

550
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Speaker 1: of what the nine one one dispatchers are dealing with.

551
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Speaker 1: When they said, please don't send us your theories, your

552
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: premonitions for Pete's sake, definitely not your premonitions. Or your questions.

553
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: They don't want that, they don't want to hear this. Also,

554
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: the fact that we have so little makes people they

555
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: want to seek justice. They want to find Nancy Guthrie.

556
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Speaker 1: So I think our Horror Mommy on TikTok what she

557
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: actually heard was part of the ransom note that was

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Speaker 1: sent to Harvey Levin at TMZ that said she's alive,

559
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Speaker 1: she's shaken up, she's scared. Now gimme bitcoin right. I

560
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: think that's what she heard and extrapolated into she's fine,

561
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: okay before he passed judgment on Horror Mommy on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Here's the person that thinks Savannah Guthrie, our old friend

563
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Speaker 1: from Court TV now the Today Show host, that Savannah

564
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Speaker 1: is being hell hostage.

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Speaker 11: Nancy Guthrie is kidnapping that I thought this is more

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Speaker 11: than about money, more than about a ransom. I felt

567
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Speaker 11: like Savannah Guthrie was being held hostage by people, and

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Speaker 11: I think it has to do with her husband at

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Speaker 11: FGS Global. It used to be Glover Park. He he's

570
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Speaker 11: been a DC fixer for the Clintons. General portray us.

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Speaker 11: It was in the Epstein files of all things, and

572
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Speaker 11: it's just no coincidence that a day after the biggest

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Speaker 11: Epstein file drop that her mom gets kidnapped. Let's go

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Speaker 11: through it and see what we've seen. In my last video,

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Speaker 11: I compared two photos which the FBI has said is

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Speaker 11: from the night of the kidnapping. On the right is

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Speaker 11: one that we're very familiar with, and you can see

578
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Speaker 11: how the light is very bright, the moon is out.

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Speaker 11: It is the snow moon. It was ninety nine percent

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Speaker 11: illuminated at one forty seven to two thirty am. It

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Speaker 11: was peaking at three nine AM. On the left, a

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Speaker 11: photo is included. It was pitch black because the moon

583
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Speaker 11: was not out. This photo was taken probably three weeks prior,

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Speaker 11: between January ninth and January eleventh. And I have a

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Speaker 11: question why did the FBI put that photo in with

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Speaker 11: the rest of these photos in their tweets. And as

587
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Speaker 11: much as I love the comments, he's not wearing the

588
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Speaker 11: same thing these nights. He's got no backpack, no gun.

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Speaker 11: The shoes are different, the jacket is different, the face

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Speaker 11: mask seems different. It's a different night, different clothes. Probably

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Speaker 11: the same guy because the build looks the same.

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Speaker 1: Actually, common sense, gay on TikTok ain't half wrong, and

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Speaker 1: Nanos could have used him at the get go when

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Speaker 1: Nano's was suggesting that both of these videos were on

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Speaker 1: the same evening and when not confirmed, they were in

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Speaker 1: fact different evenings. I, however, do not believe that Nancy

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Speaker 1: guthries kidnapping has anything to do with Savannah Guthrie's husband

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Speaker 1: what he does for a living. Savannah absolutely is not

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Speaker 1: being held hostage. Okay, Bethany, this is one you may

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00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: need to step in on. Okay, you need to throw

601
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: this personal lifeline because they really believe that Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 1: is teleporting. Now, now, hold on one more thing. You

603
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: heard the last TikToker talking about a snow moon. I

604
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: had to investigate that, and he's right, it's a moon.

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Speaker 1: It's a Native American phrase for a certain moon comes

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Speaker 1: in fit February typically before it snows. So that guy

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Speaker 1: Commas is gay, has done a lot of research and

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Speaker 1: maybe could help Nanos a little bit. Okay, now I

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00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: got you have to hear the teleporting theory.

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Speaker 12: I'm not typically a big conspiracy theory person. I like

611
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 12: to hear about them, but I don't often actually believe

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00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 12: them until I read a comment on my recent Nancy

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Speaker 12: Guthrie video suggesting that Nancy could be teleporting. So this

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Speaker 12: conspiracy is that we can't find Nancy Guthrie because she's

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Speaker 12: actually teleporting, like kind of stranger things vibes. Maybe she's

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Speaker 12: teleporting into the upside down. Maybe she's teleporting to Paris.

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Speaker 5: We don't know.

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Speaker 12: When I read this, I was laughing because like, obviously

619
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Speaker 12: she's not teleporting. But then the more I think about it,

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Speaker 12: the more I'm like, I don't know, guys, like what

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Speaker 12: if she is teleporting?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I do know, I write Shapiro on TikTok, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Guthy is not teleporting. I just pray to God she's alive.

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00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: Do you I assume read you read all the Harry Potters.

625
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: I read every single one to the children, and then

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: we would watch the movie. You know, Harry Potter teleported.

627
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: It was something called the power of apparition. What is happening?

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00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Why are instead of actually trying to help find Nancy,

629
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Speaker 1: this is happening?

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Speaker 13: Well, you know Nancy.

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Speaker 6: Each of these conspiracy theorists is driven by something slightly different.

632
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 6: So the teleporting person basically, she's she has a preference

633
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 6: for relying on intuition rather than critical thinking, which may

634
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Speaker 6: give her a sense of knowing more than others about her.

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Speaker 6: Snow Moon guy, I kind of like this guy. You're right,

636
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 6: he has done his homework and he makes some really

637
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 6: good points. And Porch guy is, you know, obviously there

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00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 6: on different nights. But what I think he's trying to

639
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Speaker 6: do in all of his intelligence, I think he's trying

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Speaker 6: to put order in a very chaotic situation to find

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Speaker 6: a sense of safe.

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Speaker 1: You know what. I like that theory, doctor Bethany. When

643
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: you try to make sense of something, you're applying logic

644
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: to what seemingly is an illogical situation, and you come

645
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: up with crazy theories. I can't say the same for

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Speaker 1: the teleporting theory. Now, okay, listen to this. It's Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 1: eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie's secret lover. Listen my theory.

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Speaker 14: My opinion is that Nancy was abducted by a boyfriend

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Speaker 14: or a friend that is a boy, a man of

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Speaker 14: her own, not an obsession with Savannah, not anything to

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Speaker 14: do with anybody else. But Nancy, I am not an

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Speaker 14: intuitive I'm not anything like that. I don't know anything

653
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Speaker 14: other people don't know. I just want to speak into

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Speaker 14: the universe that my theory is this is about Nancy

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Speaker 14: and her friend or a boyfriend. Maybe he hired somebody.

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Speaker 1: That is from Abby and Mom TikTok. Dr Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to hear this. First of all,

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Speaker 1: there's no indication that Nancy Guthrie had a love interest.

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Speaker 1: Her husband passed away when Savannah was sixteen, as I recall,

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Speaker 1: and I don't believe she was dating anyone. Missus Guthrie

661
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Speaker 1: couldn't even walk past fifty yards, which makes her you know,

662
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Speaker 1: it's like to kill a mockingbird, picking on the weakest

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Speaker 1: in our society, taking this mother, this grandmother out of

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Speaker 1: her bed in the middle of the night. That was

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Speaker 1: from Abby and Mom TikTok. But I want you to

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Speaker 1: hear proud shrimper daughter. Her husband, his last name is Filman.

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Speaker 15: He worked for the Clintons that eight years they were

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Speaker 15: in office. Okay, he started a company but called Grover Park.

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Speaker 15: Basically what they were they were scrubbers. They would scrub

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Speaker 15: the Internet of any bad, anything bad that they did

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Speaker 15: not want the public to find out. They would scrape

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Speaker 15: the whole Internet, so where when you did a search,

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Speaker 15: you couldn't find out anything about it, how much you

674
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Speaker 15: want to bet because the Clintons are going in front

675
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Speaker 15: of Congress that they struck out to this guy because

676
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Speaker 15: he was their cleaner.

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Speaker 1: Proud shep her daughter four on TikTok since she's taking

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Speaker 1: a lot of truisms such as, there's testimony going on

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Speaker 1: in front of Congress right now, did the Clintons have

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Speaker 1: their reputations? Let's just say fluffed up a little bit online?

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Speaker 1: Missus Guthrie is missing. Savannah's husband works for this firm

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Speaker 1: and puts it all together in kind of like a collage.

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Speaker 6: But also, Nancy, there's an understandable wish for security and safety.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people are suspicious of the government, and

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Speaker 6: so she feels she's a part of a special group

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Speaker 6: people who know what's happening in the government. And because

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Speaker 6: she knows, she has again put her world in order.

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Speaker 6: So horror, mommy, remember the Mandela effect. That's a whole

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Speaker 6: other group of people who believes that time can bend.

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Speaker 13: So she's a.

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Speaker 6: Part of that group, which gives her a sense of safety,

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Speaker 6: security and belonging. They want to rely on their own

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Speaker 6: intuition because it puts themselves at the center of their

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Speaker 6: own world. And lastly, Nancy the woman who believed that

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Speaker 6: Nancy Guthrie was taken by a boyfriend or a husband.

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Speaker 6: I saw a little girl with some wishful thinking that

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Speaker 6: mommy and daddy are together, or she's she's having you know,

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Speaker 6: she's having a romantic getaway somewhere like kind of trying

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Speaker 6: to turn something really horrible and tragic into something hopeful

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Speaker 6: and optimistic, which is, you know, at the end of

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Speaker 6: the day, it's a very disturbed way of thinking, but

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Speaker 6: you can see the wish embedded in the theory that

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Speaker 6: it's really better than we.

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Speaker 5: Know it is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've all, if you've looked online, if you've about

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Speaker 1: the case, know that a private plane took off from

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Speaker 1: nearby Nancy Guthries's home on the night that she is kidnapped. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here is a TikToker that took that tidbit of information

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Speaker 1: and turned it into a full blown conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 16: I had heard that there was a flight that left

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Speaker 16: early Sunday morning and went to Port of Iarta, a

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Speaker 16: private plane that left Tucson and went to Portavarta. I

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Speaker 16: just went to flight Aware to make sure that it

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Speaker 16: really was there. And there is a flight that leaves

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Speaker 16: at four fifty am to Porta Varta. That plane had

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Speaker 16: gotten to Tucson the night before at five thirty three.

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Speaker 16: So that's already weird, you know, like leaving at four

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Speaker 16: fifty am to go to Mexico, but the fact that

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Speaker 16: you got in the night before makes that four fifty.

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Speaker 6: Am flight really weird.

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Speaker 16: Anyway, I started digging into this tail number.

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Speaker 6: The tail number is c.

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Speaker 16: Dash gnt Z, and I started looking at the history

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Speaker 16: of where it's been flying to and from. And it's

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Speaker 16: been back and forth, back and forth from February.

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Speaker 6: From February first to.

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Speaker 16: February seventh, it's been back and forth from Portaviarta five times.

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Speaker 1: That's from Lindsay rust Purper on TikTok. And I am

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Speaker 1: not even going to throw a stone at Lindsay Rustpurper

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. Our research team could use this girl. Okay,

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Speaker 1: did you see how much research she put into that

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Speaker 1: private plane? Hey, I'm fine with her. I want you

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Speaker 1: to hear this one that the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 1: is really just a big distraction, so we don't think

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Speaker 1: about other things like the Epstein files. And Iran, guess

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about all of that?

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Speaker 17: Am I the only one who feels like the surge

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Speaker 17: of media surrounding Nancy Guthrie is a distraction of some sort.

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Speaker 17: Like you know how in two thousand and seven when

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Speaker 17: the Britney Spears' court cases were going on and she

741
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Speaker 17: shaved her head and all that crazy stuff was happening,

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Speaker 17: and there was this big conspiracy about how there was

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Speaker 17: a bunch of government activity that was like shrouded over

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Speaker 17: or by this court case with Brittany going on. What

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Speaker 17: if the same thing is happening with Nancy Guthrie? And

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Speaker 17: I do want to say it is extremely sad what

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Speaker 17: is happening with Nancy. It is extremely sad that an

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Speaker 17: eighty year old woman was kidnapped from her home and

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Speaker 17: is missing. But why is her case getting so much

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Speaker 17: media attention when there are so many things like her

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Speaker 17: case happening on a daily basis that get nothing, no

752
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Speaker 17: attention whatsoever. What's going on that we're not seeing, what's

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Speaker 17: going on that they want to deter our eyes from.

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Speaker 1: That's from Korra is kind of crazy on TikTok, And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm with her as far as distrusting

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Speaker 1: the government. And I don't care if it's the Republicans

757
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: or the Democrats. They all lie. They all lie, no

758
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Speaker 1: wonder she distrusts the government. And I want to make

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Speaker 1: clear that the plane our last TikToker was talking about,

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Speaker 1: there was such a hue and cry over that private

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Speaker 1: plane that it was actually investigated. They are not a suspect.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they were flying to Mexico at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning and back and forth, and

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Speaker 1: frankly don't care. What I do care about is Nancy

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Speaker 1: Guthrie was not on the plane. Now, distrust of the government.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go live off the grid with

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Speaker 1: my shotgun because I'm distrust the government. But she's not

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Speaker 1: half wrong. I don't think Nancy Guthrie's kidnapping is part

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Speaker 1: of a government plan to distract us, But I get

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Speaker 1: her distrust of the government, Doctor Bethany a.

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Speaker 6: Part of a plot for the government to distract us.

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Speaker 6: But this is a conspiracy theory that has been floating

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Speaker 6: around quite a bit, and I would say that in

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Speaker 6: this particular case, this conspiracy theory, she's putting herself, like

775
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Speaker 6: Mandela Girl, in the center of a group who may

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Speaker 6: have some superior way of looking at the world. So

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Speaker 6: it's a way to bolster self esteem. But another fact, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: is some of these conspiracy therapy theorists assume that because

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Speaker 6: it's a big event, it has a big cause. This

780
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Speaker 6: is a big event in our nation and our life.

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Speaker 6: It's ripped through families, we're all talking about it. But

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Speaker 6: that doesn't mean there's a big cause. But it could

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Speaker 6: be that something very minute or small or unfortunate happened

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Speaker 6: that has burgeoned out into all of this. So big

785
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 6: events don't necessarily have big causes. But conspiracy theorists do

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Speaker 6: want to think that.

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Speaker 1: We have learned that at this hour, an entire team

788
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Speaker 1: of FBI behavioral analysts are reviewing every move made by

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Speaker 1: the porch guy as we have called him, to determine

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Speaker 1: what if anything they can learn about his identity. Joining

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Speaker 1: me now, renowned in her field, Patty Would, body language

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Speaker 1: and behavior expert, President of Communication Dynamics, Inc. And author

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Speaker 1: of snap Making the Most First Impressions body Language. Patty

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Speaker 1: would thank you for being with us. Let's take a

795
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Speaker 1: look at the video and figure out what if anything

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Speaker 1: we can discern and trust me, I have used body

797
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: language in cases specifically, Patty. The first one I can

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Speaker 1: recall was a bank robbery, my first ever bank robbery,

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Speaker 1: and I noticed the defendant was slew footed. He walked

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Speaker 1: like a duck. Trust me, Patty, when he illadvisedly took

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Speaker 1: the stand every jaror hung over the rail to watch

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Speaker 1: him walk. And sure enough, he walked like a duck,

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Speaker 1: but instead amongst other evidence. And then I had a

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Speaker 1: serial killer that was a chef, and he walked with

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Speaker 1: a drag he pulled. It was very subtle, but he

806
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: pulled his right leg behind him with every step. He

807
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: was a little slow with the right leg. These things matter,

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Speaker 1: and sure enough that was the perp. Now, I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear your analysis of everything you see in

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Speaker 1: this video. Let's show the video to the viewers as

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Speaker 1: she speaks. Okay, Patty, the floor is yours all right now.

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Speaker 18: This is when he's covering up the camera, and I

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Speaker 18: want she didn't notice he's having to go look for

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Speaker 18: something to cover it, which is in dissonance and great

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Speaker 18: contrast with how he's armored up, has the mask on,

816
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Speaker 18: has these heavy, heavy rubber gloves. I want to come

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Speaker 18: back to that point and this backpack loaded, and here

818
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 18: he is using a paper or plastic bag and some

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Speaker 18: plants to cover up the camera, as if he not

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Speaker 18: pre planned that part of the process, which is very,

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Speaker 18: very unusual. I also want you to notice as his

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Speaker 18: hand movement, he is not scared. His hands are not shaking.

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Speaker 18: He is purposeful. I'm going to get something, I'm going

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Speaker 18: to cover it up. And notice how slow his movements are.

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Speaker 18: He's again he's not showing fear. There's just a deliberate,

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Speaker 18: purple purposefulness. And it's interesting that his pace is not

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Speaker 18: hurried at all. That makes sense to you, that's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense to me. He seems very methodical.

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Speaker 1: Patty would I hadn't really thought of it that way.

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Speaker 18: And if we look at that other shot of him

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Speaker 18: actually entering the doorway, let's talk about that specifically. As

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Speaker 18: you show it, I want you to look at his stride.

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Speaker 18: Look at how broad his stride is, specifically the step up.

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Speaker 18: His feet are very far apart. That's about at least

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Speaker 18: fourteen inches, if not more. And again that's something men

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Speaker 18: specifically do. Broad stance, broad walk when they're purposeful, when

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Speaker 18: they don't have fear. There's no hesitation That shows a

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Speaker 18: pattern of strength that I think is interesting. Now, let's

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Speaker 18: also talk about his backpack, and I have a visual

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Speaker 18: aid for that because think about your kids coming home

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Speaker 18: from school with their backpacks and they're weighted down. So

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Speaker 18: we're talking about a weight in that backpack that's significant.

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Speaker 18: And if you look at how his back is bent

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Speaker 18: over and his head has bent over. What's in that

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Speaker 18: backpack that he won't open to find something to over

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Speaker 18: the camera? That tells me he's not going to open

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Speaker 18: that backpack outside in view. But there's so much weight

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Speaker 18: in it, There's so much bulk that it's bending his

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Speaker 18: body over, and he has to have those wide straps.

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Speaker 13: Can I talk about the straps for a second? Interesting?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, I just want to throw something in

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Speaker 1: right there. I thought he was looking down so less

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Speaker 1: of his face would be shown. But you're connecting it

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Speaker 1: to the backpack because the backpack is packed to the brim.

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Speaker 13: Two things.

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Speaker 18: It's the weight down pulling his head down, but he

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Speaker 18: does actually move his head to the side as he

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Speaker 18: approaches the doorway, which shows he doesn't want to be seen.

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Speaker 18: So it's a combination of both things. And again there's

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Speaker 18: a contrast between pre planning, having all this equipment, but

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Speaker 18: having reflective straps on the backpack, which would make him

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Speaker 18: more visible. It shows that this is a conflict of

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00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 18: this is not necessarily a professional but he planned, but

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Speaker 18: he didn't plan fully with all the insight you think

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Speaker 18: someone in this situation might show. And again, we have

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Speaker 18: that glove. That's an unusual glove. It's heavy duty, and

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Speaker 18: it's a glove that you would wear if you are

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Speaker 18: afraid of attack, even a knife attack. That's how thick

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Speaker 18: the plastic or rubber is on those gloves.

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Speaker 13: And that shows.

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Speaker 18: Something that actually makes me more fearful and uncomfortable, as

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Speaker 18: does the heaviness of the backpack.

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Speaker 13: What the heck is in there?

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00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Patty would joining us body

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Speaker 1: language behavior expert, President of Communication Dynamics, Inc. And author

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Speaker 1: of Snap Making the Most a first impression body Language

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Speaker 1: in Charisma. She is at pattywood dot net. Patty, what

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00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: do you make of the polyester holster and his mannerisms

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00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: as they relate to what I believe to be a

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: semi automatic gun.

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00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 18: Yes, and he's definitely giving what's called a man up

882
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 18: gesture where he's getting ready for a battle, getting ready

883
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 18: for fire. But it's also man up around a male

884
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 18: pelvic region that sometimes males make a touch in that

885
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 18: location as they're getting ready to fight or they're.

886
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: Getting Patty, Patty, look around. You're not having high tea

887
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: with Charles and Camilla. This is crime stories. His penis

888
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: go ahead.

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00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 5: So.

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00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 18: As he puts his hand over that sexual organ, he's

891
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 18: manning up, And it's a gesture men do when they're

892
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 18: getting ready for a battle, going into a fight, going

893
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 18: into a battle. Sometimes I see it when men at

894
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 18: a low level go in for sales or negotiation, and

895
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 18: sometimes I see it in men that are primping before

896
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 18: they go into a hot woman and hit on her.

897
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 18: So the fact that his hand is there and the

898
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 18: weapon is there shows us he's manning up. He's getting

899
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 18: that confidence to fight to hurt someone.

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00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: Patty would I've seen it with defendants that are coming

901
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: into court and they're about to approach the podium where

902
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it guilty plea and read them

903
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: their rights. I've seen it a lot on basketball courts

904
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: before somebody goes in or when they're in the huddle,

905
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: they're constantly grabbing themselves that means something exactly.

906
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 18: If there was no weapon there, it would be more

907
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 18: protective of I fear the attack on my manhood. But

908
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 18: in this case, because it does look like a weapon,

909
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 18: it does show that he's ready to hurt, he's ready

910
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 18: for a battle.

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00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: Patty, I'm very curious about your thoughts regarding the mass.

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Speaker 18: I find that one of the most interesting aspects of

913
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 18: this because you and I have analyzed so many criminals,

914
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 18: so many robberies, so many crimes like this. But the

915
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 18: mask is a scheme mask, and think about the location.

916
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 13: This would be out of context.

917
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 18: If anyone saw him in this, they would go, this

918
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 18: doesn't match. There's no reason for him to have this on.

919
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 18: So that choice to cover the full face, go over

920
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 18: the neck tells me that this person wants to make

921
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 18: sure that no part of their face, no part of

922
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 18: their neck, is shown, and they're willing to take a

923
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 18: risk of wearing something that could visually identify them as

924
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Speaker 18: a danger. So that's very interesting. Also, it's interesting if

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00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 18: you look at this particular shot here, how much of

926
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 18: the mouth that covers, but the fact that the eyes

927
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 18: are very visible, so he is staring in that minute.

928
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 13: I so wish I could see his eyebrows.

929
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 18: I so wish I could see if there's any indication

930
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 18: of fear or anger of intent.

931
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, an other interesting point, Patty would as a

932
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Speaker 1: temperatures into some went all the way up to eighty

933
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: two degrees that day. Yes, he is fully covered.

934
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Speaker 13: Doesn't make sense.

935
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 18: So that tells us he really wanted to hide his identity.

936
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 18: And yet it's interesting if you noticed the baggy pants.

937
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 18: The baggy pants on him, that tells me that that

938
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 18: is his attire. That's the way he might go out

939
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 18: in the world with a bagginess around his hips, and

940
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 18: that he's not is not in alignment with fashion. He's

941
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 18: not aware of his body in a particular way.

942
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 13: Does that make sense?

943
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 18: And I'm saying this because in the context of a robbery,

944
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 18: I often see the person with pants that are very

945
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 18: tight to the skin, and there's a way indication freedom

946
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 18: of movement, that stretchy kind of pant to create freedom

947
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 18: of movement. But here is wearing pants that are awkward

948
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 18: to hang on him awkwardly as if he might have

949
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Speaker 18: to pull him up, which tells me, or at least

950
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 18: hints to me, that he's not used to thinking about

951
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 18: having to wear a tire for this particular.

952
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: Sort, that he's carrying things in the pants and the

953
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: jacket such as a lock picker and or a walkie

954
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: talkie and or a signal jammer. Because he's got every

955
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: crevis packed.

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00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 18: Right, and he's definitely got something extra in protective where

957
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 18: in the front of his body. And you can tell

958
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 18: that he's not used to have having all that weight

959
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 18: or packaging up front. It tells me that there's some

960
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 18: other protective wear or some item at the front of

961
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 18: his body. And I'm saying that, but also because of

962
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 18: the width of his arm is thinner than the weight

963
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 18: and packaging up here, the normal weight and fat distribution here,

964
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Speaker 18: and also it's creating a little bit more weight at

965
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 18: the front in addition to that packaging the backpack on

966
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Speaker 18: the back.

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Speaker 13: So you can see there's something right here.

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Speaker 1: So Patty Wood, you're the expert, based on your knowledge

969
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: and all your years of expertise. Who is this guy?

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00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 18: It's someone that's planned this but hasn't planned it well.

971
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 18: It's someone that hasn't done this before. Thinking they're prepared,

972
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 18: thinking they've taken everything into consideration, but is not fully prepared.

973
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 18: And yet they've planned it and ahead it's in their

974
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 18: heads that they can do this. They're not afraid, but

975
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Speaker 18: they're not a professional.

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00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

977
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie, please dial the FBI at one

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred two two five five three two four toll

979
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: free eight hundred two two five five three two four,

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01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: or if you wish to remain anonymous five two zero

981
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: eight eight two seven four sixty three five two zero

982
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: eight eight two seven four six three. There is a

983
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: one point two plus million dollar reward for information leading

984
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Speaker 1: to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. One point two plus

985
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: million dollar reward. And remember there doesn't have to be

986
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: an arrest or prosecution in order for you to get

987
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: that one point two plus million dollar reward. Nancy Grace

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01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,